THE ZERO DIVISION - The Good, The Bad, and The Extremely Disappointing | Bleach DISCUSSION

[@MrTommo2304]

Which member of the Zero Division was your favourite?

[@ikebaby3736]

They suck

[@bisexualichigo4227]

ike baby Not Ichibe tho. He stood his ground. The others I don’t care. They have cool designs tho.

[@animeaugie]

Ōetsu Nimaiya hands down.

[@Alekranidos09]

Ichibei!

[@ikebaby3736]

@@bisexualichigo4227 l like the arrancar and Espada design better

[@jacobellis2313]

"He knows the location of every zanpakto in the soul society". I do too, they are in the soul society.

[@TomTom-cu7yy]

I wanted to like but it was 69 so nm i guess

[@mugetsu8580]

Bro that’s both so funny yet so unfunny I don’t know what to do

[@shawnboahene5231]

Well not exactly remember they travel to the human world too. So they can be anywhere on the globe or hueco mundo etc

[@robbrown2314]

"location" might not mean a "physical place" but the "soul" in which the asuchi binds itself too, that being a shinigami "soul". He "Knows" who all the shinigami are, where they are, and who the asuchi is.

[@br5073]

That doesn’t even make any sense. Like where in the soul society? It’s a big ass place.

[@Thebes342]

I feel like if they all had a fight on the level of Ichibe's, nobody would've been disappointed with them for the most part. Really hope the anime expands on them.

[@MrShadow1995.]

Yea each one could have had their own fight against an elite quincy and i wouldn't have minded if they lost there due to hashwalth interfering or whatsoever.

[@dhananjaysinghkandari]

If they were to get the fight that is only lost when some magical asspull is performed such as in the fight with ichibei and bach, that would have even put the threat of the sternritter into a new perspective by establishing the fact that they are willing to sacrifice the others through aushwalen to power up the fighting and that's why they lose. Them getting off screened was just.. Sad.

[@8BitGamer4life]

They didn't even use Volstandig to defeat them.

[@KiReSish]

@@8BitGamer4life Nimaya didnt even used shikai to defeat them solo with just shunpo. Round.

[@monstermichaeltoad5705]

Then Kubo has to write even more abilities for when they face the captains or else it would be redundant. That’s just not practical. The captains don’t shine if the Zero Squad doesn’t get stomped.

[@jmcistnt22able]

As for the zero division not caring about the destruction of the soul society. I always imagined it was because as long as the soul king was safe the cycle would continue regardless. Iike if yawach never planned to go to the soul king then they wouldn't have even intervened and waiting for soul society to rebuild on its own

[@lexbryant4564]

I think that's their mind set in general even when ywach became the soul king if you read the novel you know what I wanted to write next . But I'm not cause for obvious reasons

[@escapethedeath4905]

imagine if aizen manage to get into royal palace.. i think he alone doesn't have a chance against the 5 royal guards. yhwach had to take his top fighter to invade

[@jmcistnt22able]

@@escapethedeath4905 yeah he could evolve past any physical damage but idk if the hyogoycu can transcend the weird name concept. When I was reading that chapter. I was like how tf is that a power someone has in bleach! Op but yeah aizen got lucky he fought god itchigo

[@jmcistnt22able]

@@lexbryant4564 im not spoiled lol yeah but there wasn't enough time to focus on that in the manga but context is there supporting it. Lhh I love how they were like yeah...would have been shitty if ichigo had to become the soul king...lucky he wasn't forced to do that 🤣 horrible existence.

[@jaioncebollero1168]

I would imagine for would let earth die If it protected the universe. Couldn’t imagine individual lives would matter at those stakes.

[@Dhilan100]

I think Senjumaru shoulda had more badass moments. She seemed like the smartest one of the bunch and had abilities and speed to match her intelligence.

[@MrTommo2304]

Senjumaru easily has the best design too in my opinion.

[@marcelomoura9272]

Even I with some moments of dedication and thinking could create nice powers for her shikai and bankai. So much potencial wasted.

[@blackshadow8514]

she will be but in the anime

[@arcturus4295]

@@MrTommo2304 really? basicly it's nnoitra design XD

[@hononmy5716]

@@arcturus4295 I can not see nnoitara in her

[@michaelmoon622]

I don’t care if it’s filler when the anime returns if they add the actual fights in the anime so we could see the zero division in all of their glory.

[@PunkZombie1300]

I'm really hoping they extend it since Kubo rushed so much at the end.

[@zeriel0009]

You have a really low standard for "glory"

[@raidgoblin6933]

they died to literal trash when they were suppose to be stronger than the gotei 13, idk how thats glorious

[@Ridku13]

@@raidgoblin6933 to trash? The top 4 quincies defeated them which 2 of them had parts of the soul king.

[@MindNumbingInc]

I think filler seasons should be good. There's a lot of content that can played upon from the recent adds into the canon material. A season about the Zero Division, their earlier lives and moments to the point they reached the level they are now would be exciting to see. Hopefully when the show comes back to, a lot of the loose ends are tied off and Kubo can do things more for the Blood War compared to the books due to multiple obstacles.

[@theseekerofdankness959]

When the video is longer than the fights that zero squad participated, you know there is something wrong

[@theseekerofdankness959]

@@terrarionaqu5262 :(

[@NarutoUzumaki-jg4pw]

I feel like the anime is going to have to take a massive amount of creative licensing, in fact i hope they full on remaster the TYBW.

[@theseekerofdankness959]

@@NarutoUzumaki-jg4pw I don't think this is gonna happen, but, let's hope eh

[@NarutoUzumaki-jg4pw]

@@terrarionaqu5262 Every anime made makes changes from the manga, that's why anime is never considered canon. And plenty of series go quite far off the source material, what you're talking about is a make believe assumption you've gathered from internet message boards. The business is making the anime as entertaining as possible so people will want to view it, and people generally regard the ending of bleach to be pretty rushed and bad, if the anime improves on that they'll build a huge amount of hype, which means more people watching, which means more money. Of course, that's only a possibility.

[@arpadszabo661]

Yeah, off screening them was ridiculous, especially because they never showed up again.

[@svartrbrisingr6141]

The thing I'm most disappointed by is the Soul King himself. I was expecting someone awesome. Not a vegetable

[@Sageof7th]

Thank you that too and in one chapter during the final arc he’s seen floating with full body and the next he’s dismembered I’m like wtf .

[@Mr_Plop1]

No wonder Aizen was pissed when people were obeying at "that thing"

[@caprice28]

@@Mr_Plop1 Aizen: Are you kidding me?! That is the Soul King?! Has the world gone insane? I...i just cant. (Sigh) Oh well, I guess i have to destroy Soul Society.

[@takamikeigo53]

@@caprice28 lol and honesty that’s relatable

[@ultrainstinctgrey9184]

his hands were more useful than he was

[@christopherwilson868]

I actually really loved that the royal guards showed a lack of care for the death of Yamamoto or anything that really happened to the soul society. Their apathy(if we can call it that) pertaining the destruction of Soul Society ties into the fact that they pledged allegiance to the Soul King now and so the soul society’s affair have nothing to do with them. I really liked that about that. Senjumaru, I would say was the one, at first, who I thought the Royal Guard would be like. Very indifferent to the Soul Society’s affairs. She reminded me of Soi Fon and she seemed like she couldn’t care less for the captains at all. She had the attitude that I was hoping the zero division would have.

[@sp5ism]

interestingly enough, after reading CFYOW, there are subtle hints of the zero division (save for Itchibe) seemingly starting to care more about the well being of itchigo and the S.S. Nimaiya talks to itchibe about something getting stolen and he looks pissed because of how destructive it could be, but Itchibe shrugs it off and says that they're job is to protect the Soul king and to not interfere in the S.S. I can kind of see a sort of civil war starting to form with the members of the zero division siding more with the soul society and some members of the soul society siding with Itchibe and wanting to protect the soul king.

[@christopherwilson868]

@@sp5ism I haven’t read CFYOW but Nimaiya could have possibly been upset over the fact that Tokinada broke into palace and took something but I do understand that some of the royal guards started to fancy Ichigo since they met and ultimately gained respect for him. Civil war though? Nah. They’d be dead if it wasn’t for Ichibei and they know it

[@lilysteffenford1719]

It kinda makes sense since there only purpose is to protect the soul king, the existence who keeps everything intact (the 3 worlds, souls, cycle of life) so as long you don't step foot in the soul palace you're no threat to them. (aizen is the example, they didn't step in because aizen never managed to infiltrate soul palace)

[@christopherwilson868]

@@lilysteffenford1719 Exactly! Their sole purpose is to the Soul King and Soul Palace

[@qoyote]

I wish there'd been some kind of challenge to protecting the Soul King besides the Quincies, some reason all five of them have to stay up there at all times. Like maybe the Soul King's power runs wild sometimes like it did after he died, and it does freaky stuff and tries to escape the Palace until it's contained. Otherwise it seems like they've just been loafing around for thousands of years.

[@saitosan876]

Zero Squad: no hype. Sternritters: no hype. Zaraki Kenpachi: HYPEEEE!!!!!!

[@totallynotinsane3327]

The sternritters were awesome what do you mean

[@Srgfowler]

@@totallynotinsane3327 some were good. But there were like 15 of them that did fucking nothing

[@tyronjasonhuff]

@@Srgfowler tons of ss members did nothing the entire manga and ended up as a captain eos.

[@kureishimitsuyo5379]

yeah remember when he cut a meteor in half

[@tywells6088]

I saw a lot of info saying that Kubo was rushed to finish the last arc towards the end and I think that’s where a lot of these long drawn out chapters followed by rushed and super quick fights comes from. I hope that he does it a little different in the anime. Maybe he can make a few changes to show us more about how crazy strong the zero division really was.

[@tanania]

Yeah I recall that too. I think he also had health issues at some point. I could be mistaken with the latter

[@anthonyreynolds1995]

@@tanania Bit late on the response here but that's what I heard myself. Kubo was having health issues and Jump was trying to make sure the manga has some closing in case he did die.

[@michaelmooney7663]

I loved the potential of the zero division. Hated how they were just brushed aside after so much hype. I would have preferred a situation where they lost to yhwach but yet still helped defend soul society by backing up the gotei somehow

[@TheSlammurai]

They should have just had actual lengthy fair fights against the Schutzstaffel where they still lose anyway.

[@jellyc4164]

@@TheSlammurai or win but Yhwach’s power just can’t be overcome. Whole TYB Arc was kind of pointless honestly.

[@dontworryaboutit5490]

@@jellyc4164 You can say that about any arc, about any manga

[@jellyc4164]

@@dontworryaboutit5490 well there’s the dumbest reply of the day

[@thekwjiboo]

​@TheSlammurai right? Like the whole bleach community wouldn't have killed for a 4v4 brawl.

[@diego_r585]

Senjumaru looks so cool, only if she didnt get smacked around by the sternritters😔

[@DragonKnight401]

She killed one at least.

[@niichigary8609]

@@DragonKnight401 the wind was kinda weak though

[@SabrinaJadedreamer]

Ok but Shutara was barely trying tho

[@agni_oh]

Wish we got to see more of her. Her design was really amazing

[@TheSlammurai]

I think it's interesting and pretty funny that breaking into Kurotsuchi's lab is something she apparently does often.

[@zane8902]

I really like how Oetsu came in and one shot the quinces, it proved his power. However, I totally agree that the events that followed and the flip-flop battles were disappointing. Another great vid as always Tommo!

[@CThom18]

It just sucks that there was no real fight lol Oetsu totally destroys them before Bach just make everyone super saiyan 😭 I pray that Kubo was just too rushed and the anime really fleshes out the whole TYBW arc because if it is fleshed out it can be a masterpiece of an arc

[@kana22693]

That "fight" felt like RNG in a video game, Oetsu scored four criticals in a row and then got T-bagged after Yhwach revived his boys. lol

[@justinalexander1056]

I agree.

[@youngoutlaws3070]

@@kana22693 FACTS 😂😂😂 I’m dead

[@takamikeigo53]

It won’t be fixed but I agree with your hopes and wishes lol

[@PathIsntReal]

@@takamikeigo53 you don’t even know that lol.

[@akanyangmotake3917]

I can believe the statement of them being more powerful than the goetei, oetsu took care of the sternritter really quickly before Juha had to take back the power from all the other sternricher. Yamas power was insane, his bankia removed wanted from sereitei, Ichibei had the ability to take all the darkness from the world which insane, and remove a soul from the soul cycle. Juha was basically the son of the soul king and why he wouldnt be defeated so easily this time

[@youngoutlaws3070]

Fax

[@metal87power]

Zero Division protects the whole Bleachverse by keeping the linchpin (Soul King) intact. Shinigamis are important but are mere soldiers who are replaceable.

[@demon2441]

They failed at that and by allowing the other shinigami to fall they left themselves open to invasion.

[@FireAngelChris]

@@demon2441 lol exactly

[@jasminime]

I actually like the fact that all the characters in 0 division had aloof personalities and such. It kind of shows how distant they are from everyone else. I assume they know what is going on, but the fact that they did not feel the need to appear till then shows they believe that their powers or time is too valuable to be interfering, even during the Aizen fight. It basically shows that even though they have contributed to the Soul Society, their position and ego make them somewhat ignorant of the situation.

[@sternritter9788]

I remember seeing them die and off-screened and I almost threw my laptop across the room.

[@thechugdude]

I know... Me too....

[@Chocula]

I groaned out loud when I first read that the Sternritters just got revived and powered-up. I damn near stopped reading when Nimaiya just gets 2 shotted immediately after. Literally see Kirini's Shikai and like next chapter everyone's on the floor bleeding out or dead. I get that Shounen Jump was pressing Kubo for time but holy shit what a bunch of non-characters. Nimaiya and Ichibei got some hints of a character with how they interacted with Ichigo and Ichibei respectively but the other 3? "Oh they used to do X in Soul Society and knew Y characters" - that's literally it.

[@grainfrizz]

I shouted in the internet cafe and left without paying.

[@varimatra2088]

@@Chocula The sad thing about the time constraint is why the fuck would you make a hole bunch of useless characthers like ikaku and others have a full fight but cut the 0 djvision

[@xxzeroxx8417]

u should be happy sternritter

[@xacolmah]

The Royal Guards were actually mentioned by Rukia in the first arc in the fight against the first Menos Grande

[@Joe1887]

39:21 The fact that Ohetsu's body is centered perfectly over you while you're holding your hands up and saying "Its not fair" couldn't be more perfect.

[@theseekerofdankness959]

Bro I'm dead XD

[@春菅原]

You are a true fan of Bleach when you feel that level of disappointment on how the last arc was written. It could have been a very great arc.

[@isbimperialsecuritybureau2192]

Guys, I think Tommo has the Schrift "The Balance" bcs he always talks about the good AND bads.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Their Abiltiies are so boring. Unexplained and boring. Just like the Sternritters, who just randomly have abilities that come out of nothing. So dumb.

[@chawli2782]

@@slevinchannel7589 false

[@sageoverheaven]

@@slevinchannel7589 Agreed on the RG (sans Ichibei). Disagree on the Sternritters. The Sternritter powers that needed explaining were the ones that were both explained and amazingly creative.

[@daoistneo7791]

@@slevinchannel7589how are they unexplained each strenritter has diff powers and they are all unique

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@daoistneo7791 ...Oh buddy...

[@kingbellos1403]

I feel my issue/disappointment with them is were were told how amazing they were and never really shown. There was so much hype leading up to them for us to find out they were just Captains that were given a promotion for inventing something. We were told those 5 were as strong as the whole Gotei 13. Literally all of the Gotei 13 combined. Every Grunt. Every Captain. That these people were that damn powerful. Then we got people that were basically just Captains for the most part that were offscreen killed. It isnt that what they invented wasnt impressive. One of them literally invented zanpakutos. It just felt we were told there is this group of people that had so much power it could hold off entire countries army… and find out that one of the people in Question was Henry Ford. Then go “Well.. he invented the Assembly Line….”

[@FireAngelChris]

I always felt kubo was trying to portray that they got surpass by the captains. When was the last time the zero division was tested. Meanwhile the captains was force to grow dealing with global threats.

[@Benimaru-DestructionKing]

Well the promotion for the Zero Division wasnt only bout contributing to somethin important in Soul Society History or Gotei, all 5 Members did display strong abilities and powers, hell Oetsu single handly defeated Yhwach elite guard if it werent for hims reviving and buffing their power that would have been the end of it. Ichibe was even close in defeating Yhwach. we just didnt see much of there full actual fight due to Tite Kubo being rushed to finish the manga. Going back to the promotion system it not just bout contributing to something important the candidates have to be exceptionaly strong like Kuruyashiki the 7th Kenpachi he was asked to be a member due to him being insanely powerful and for having the most dangerous Bankai of the whole Gotei History that he was extemely forbidden from even activating within Soul Society for it can wipe out Soul Society in and instant, but Kuruyashiki declined the offer cause he didnt view himself as protector, also he was shortly defeated by his Kenpachi succesor Soya Azashiro who also caught the attention of the Zero Division but this time as a threat, that they themselves had to directly intervene to stop him. All in all being a member of the Zero Division requires a specific set of abilities. They are either exceptionaly strong or have created something unique that contributes to the history of Gotei or both.

[@Mon7oya69]

Kirinji taught yachiru how to heal.... of course he deserves to be in squad zero!!!!

[@kugansivasakthy2091]

I always took that to also imply that he was also originally the first captain of Squad 4

[@WeyardWiz]

47:50 I hope they include CFYOW into the anime! If they do we should be good

[@slevinchannel7589]

They need to heavily fix the manga while animating. I hope they do. We have ZERO Statements they will do that though. ZERO.

[@chawli2782]

@@slevinchannel7589 and they wont. Doesnt matter dont watch the anime pathetic troll

[@niichigary8609]

@@chawli2782 dont say that we have a chance they can fix it i hope we all hope that they fix it

[@chawli2782]

@@niichigary8609 but if it doesnt? What if kubo is ok with the manga? Besides this guy is a bleach hater

[@-0m3rcy0-8]

Bruh- you are overreacting. Just be happy we are getting the final arc animated, it’s childish to constantly complain. Honestly, who ties your shoelaces for you?

[@ImKenMasters]

I remember thinking Kirinji was going to have some ability that put him and his opponent into a 1v1 fist fight, where no other powers worked, it just came down to who dropped first. Like a knife edge death match from YYH lol.

[@DocHolliday323]

I literally just watched that YYH episode this morning, lol

[@LowTiertoji]

What is yyh?

[@chaoticroomba]

Sounds a lot like Achilles power in Fate/Grand Order, it throws both him and an opponent into a fistfight to the death with no other powers

[@stop7556]

That would've actually been a nice change of pace in a way.

[@grainfrizz]

The best thing about getting promoted to the Zero Division isn't about your contribution being recognized or you being a freaking strong character. It is the fact that you become immortal. When souls die, they transform into reishi or spirit particles that make up the Soul Society. But if one of the Zero Division dies, they don't become spirit particles. They just wait for them to get respawn or resurrected. They're not that strong (except for Osho or Nimaya) but they're fucking immortal. I guess this is because of the fact that there must always be guards to the Soul King.

[@porandojin5751]

According to manga, when soul dies it ressurect as newborn in real world.

[@ItsKaypora]

@@porandojin5751 Regular souls, shinigami souls become part of the Sereitei

[@kingblackwaffle]

@@porandojin5751 yes but not the zero squad. CFYOW monk man reveals all he has to do id say their name and they will be revived

[@porandojin5751]

@@kingblackwaffle Yes, you're right.

[@tendopain2585]

Imma have to disagree with the not that strong part. I just don’t think Kubo got to show how strong they actually are

[@hutchatlek7320]

Hopefully Kubo rewrite the fights and make something like the remake of the Vasto Lorde Ichigo vs Ulquiorra

[@dinolover]

I dont blame the zero division. They're there to protect what holds existence together, not to protect just a plane of existence.

[@shamarbrown2677]

Exactly

[@Blad3sofWaR]

Great Point, which more people would get the hint

[@UnifiedEntity]

Except.....that it was just one plane....it's multiple planes that were in danger. Soul Society....The Human world and Hueco Mundo -_- . Quincies threaten that balance. The damn cripple that is the Soul Kings whole reason for existing is to maintain that balance as well.

[@dinolover]

@@UnifiedEntity the soul king can recreate worlds, that's more important than saving the planes themselves. A new soul society/HM,etc can be replaced by something new, but the king himself is more important than that so his protection is higher than trying to save SS.

[@UnifiedEntity]

@@dinolover If so were easily true, there wouldn't have been a need to exterminate the Quincy. There wouldn't be a need for cleansing of souls and cycles of death and rebirth being maintained.

[@tristangrant4985]

I just die whenever tommo says “I would loved to have seen the 0 division fight instead of like.... PEPE” 😂😂

[@TheJLAMAR23]

I agree with everything you’ve said. You pretty much nailed most of our feelings on the final arc in this regard. I honestly hope in the anime they expand on these missed opportunities. Label it filler or whatever, but give us what we wanna see.

[@EnmeiOfficial]

Schutzstaffel vs Zero division was the moment that everybody knew kubo was just ready to end the story by all means.

[@nathangardner6423]

I cannot wait for the anime battle between Ichibe and Ywach, it's going to be insane.

[@kek_9866]

Well well well what a time to be alive

[@llgxz]

Oetsu managing to take out Gerard felt especially bad given how absolutely impossible of a task that proved to be later.

[@ce666isa3]

It made sense coz the zero division are stronger than the gotei 13

[@alispeed5095]

@@ce666isa3 Also given what he said about that sayafushi sword, its plausible that gerard would be oneshot

[@zepalu00]

This was like Air Gear sleeping forest destroyed offscreen

[@cameronjones9092]

Yeah why didnt that trigger the miracle

[@unknownbyself]

@@cameronjones9092 I imagine that it is because "The Miracle" is based on the doubts and fears of Gerard's opponents. If they have any hesitation at all when fighting him, he just becomes essentially unstoppable. But Nimaiya had no such doubts-he *knew* Sayafushi was going to kill Gerard. His convictions are what didn't allow The Miracle to activate.

[@depa1621]

Tom, i love bleach, and i love your analytical breakdowns. TYBW has been amazing. I usually watch/listen to these videos while driving or doing chores like cleaning. Your great at what you do! Now if i could only get you into one pieces world building!

[@maximilianosanchez1106]

11:20 jokes on Kirinji, the Zero squad failed to protect the Soul Palace faster than the Shinigami did to protect the Seireitei, and defeated he enemy for them.

[@justinalexander1056]

Facts. I one point reading this arc I was thinking why is Aizen not fighting he can do better than this, free Aizen and we will suffer the consequences afterwards.

[@demon2441]

@@justinalexander1056 It's implied they wouldn't be able to reseal Aizen if he was freed completely. He was able to move after releasing only 3 of many seals.

[@TheSlammurai]

@@demon2441 Which apparently happened anyway since he's resealed off-screen. So damn stupid.

[@hecetewest5411]

@@TheSlammurai what? He doesn’t get entirely unsealed at all. The reason they’re able to reseal him is the fact that they only released three of his many seals. If they’d released more they’d be taking a massive risk.

[@0eyes]

@@TheSlammurai Aizen wasn't conscious when he got back from being absorbed by Yhwach

[@pauloandrebroder983]

Boyss, we did It, the zero division is good now

[@That_one-guy192]

When the Zero Div. first showed up all I could think of was when the Ginyu Force first arrived on Namek.

[@crosis2]

The Zero Division that was imagined would be like Yamamoto, Aizen, Byakuya, Zaraki, Unohana(the kenpachi one of TYBW) :D

[@marionarda2790]

Yamamoto and aizen yes . The others are way inferior .

[@iliketowatchnfl3515]

@@marionarda2790 shunsui maybe

[@marionarda2790]

@@iliketowatchnfl3515 yes

[@light63478]

One of them is not like the others

[@napoleon8017]

@@light63478 byakuya is so far from everyone else...

[@brandonvicbossmorgan]

Hey guys I'm actually from 5 years in the future. I just came back to curve everyones expectations on the return of the bleach anime because the Zero division still got off screened in the anime. Dont worry though because Pepe got 14 episodes for his fight and 12 episodes for a flash back on his back story. Enjoy

[@randjan8592]

Pepe-sama!

[@TokyoKazama]

I must be one of the few people that really liked the way they looked.

[@gstvntt]

They look cool, but ARE they cool really?

[@Sageof7th]

Looking cool is one thing lol

[@bqw2094]

I knew I was gonna be disappointed when I first saw them , to was thinking “ no , this is not how they should look , I was expecting like 5 old people like Yamamoto “ the zero squad looked like they came out of one piece .

[@redd-jb-]

@@bqw2094 what u trying to say about one piece???

[@bqw2094]

@@redd-jb- relax buddy, I love one piece , I'm just talking about the designs of the characters , my complaint is that the zero squad from bleach look like they belong in one piece design wise , I ( and other fans) expected the zero squad to have a much more serious look .

[@MegaHerpthederp]

Love your approach to bleach topics, I generally didn't like to watch videos or discuss bleach for a variety of reasons but mostly the copy pasted opions or over used topics. Glad you want to make videos that are different than your peers videos.

[@zuffin1864]

i only just read bleach over the past year, and i ended up thinking they were all really unique and cool, with insane amounts of skill to be admired. Just watching ichigo get trained showed the immense knowledge they have, and i really felt there was so much to learn about them considering they are some of the longest living shinigami, if not THE longest living shinigami.

[@Natkhat_Shinigami]

I really liked their character design and (on the First arrival) goofy attitude of the zero squad.They gave me Urahara vibe (That there is another face of the coin).Kubo did a great job for the Royal Guard and their defeat by the Quincy elite was Kubo's way to establish the threat level. Only a more fleshed out fight was needed for the Zero Squad.

[@oneworld9903]

Senjimaru was the one zero division member I seen and was satisfied, in hindsight I enjoyed the zero division and I'd love for the next light novel to give us an insight into the zero division and the founding gotei. Love your videos Tommo, helps me keep hype for the anime. Keep it up! 🔥

[@dantecrottogini529]

what i want to see the most of is the original captains. Hopefully the anime shows them

[@oneworld9903]

@@dantecrottogini529 that would be amazing, see a squad 11 Unohana and the younger iterations of Jushiro and Shunsui maybe before they were captains as well.

[@christopherwilson868]

I agree. Senjumaru embodies what a royal guard was suppose to be in my mind. Ichibei only became a proper portrayal of it when he got serious in the fight with Yhwach.

[@AndrewLee-hp6zz]

@@oneworld9903 I could see possible flashbacks of this if they continue with this Hell business - with Captain rank Shinigami that were relegated to Hell.

[@quitepossiblylucky]

I'm actually a big fan of Kubos lack of adding backgrounds to his panels. Bleach is probably the only manga I've actually read and when I tried to read others, I could barely make out what was going on b/c of the super messy and busy backgrounds.

[@robobo1726]

If you could try to put up images of the characters when you talk about them, that would help a lot. I don't really remember names very well, so you throwing names out there kind of throws me off

[@nurarihion]

which further demonstrates the problem if this arc, I know the names of all the shinigamis by heart because of how well they were developed before, I kinda remember some arrancar, but I don't remember any of the quincy nor any character introduced on the final arc

[@liamlee7730]

@@nurarihion you’re trying too hard

[@ziolan8970]

@@liamlee7730 no he makes a point, we did lose some of the personality in the characters

[@br5073]

@@nurarihion Really? You don’t remember any of the Quincy? What can you remember?

[@nurarihion]

@@br5073 I do remember Ass Nodt, (is that right?) cause his power was cool and we get to see Rukia's bankai. The scenes with Aizen and Kyouraku were top, but I hoped more of the final battle, The cero squad was very disappointing.

[@Donut-vg7cg]

The novels does say they don’t stay dead. But they do die. Ichibe brings all of them back.

[@SAR-re1fx]

He should have brought back Unohana

[@Donut-vg7cg]

S.Ariadne Navarro you’re right about that. He should’ve done that.

[@XieonGaming]

Seriously? I cant stand when stories do that. One of my big critisicms when I was ready bleach weekly was kubo never killed people off

[@lordhighkage7105]

How does he bring them all back? Doesn't Ichibe himself die

[@Donut-vg7cg]

@@lordhighkage7105 yea, but something to do with the soul king palace. In the manga, he comes back when ichigo says his name. So I’m guessing that’s how he did it.

[@kingdavis9240]

I think people forget that Oo-Etsu (I call him sword boy) no difffed all of Yuha’s men they just got revived and buffed by the auschwallen

[@johnboy1760]

I believe the reason behind their bizarre introduction was an attempt at the “Yoda/juvenile master trope. We’ve seen it utilised heavily in media, but particularly in anime/manga, the notion of a god like being, master, leader nearly always being played for laughs. King Kai and Zeno in DBZ, Jiraiya in naruto. I don’t think it landed well because there wasn’t ambiguity. With yoda, Jiraiya and other characters we’re not immediately aware of who we’re looking at. Even in something like the mask of zoro while not played for comedy, the character isn’t aware the humble old man is zoro. Here it’s very conspicuous that the highest ranked shinigami in the mythos are behaving like tools. We’ve seen this convention used better within bleach with both isshin and urahara being some of the strongest characters who appeared little more than comic relief initially. I know we likely assumed they could throw down, but did anyone expect Shikai/base isshin to have a better showing than the entire gotei did, likewise urahara sealing Aizen? If the zero division had either finished the assault on the seireirei, for example, one of them was in the rukongai looking like a civilian and they’d suddenly just one shot a bazz-b level opponent there would be intrigue. Or if their introduction had been more ostentatious. Instead it was pitched in the middle. It wasn’t a bombastic introduction, but it wasn’t understated and leading us to question who they are. It was this awkward middle ground.

[@richardtylenda7652]

Who Else went back to this after the Bleach TYBW Ending

[@conelgraphics]

please where can i watch it?

[@Tscoburiito]

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[@asetheface]

My impression when Kubo showed Ooetsu killing off the schutzstaffel quickly was that this zero squad doesn't waste time to do what needs to be done to eliminate the threat as swiftly as possible with no wasted movements. No name asking, no grandstanding or ego size measuring, and all that, which seemed more realistic to me. That was actually pretty rare in Bleach as a whole so is was a nice change of pace in my opinion.

[@jordanjmdjmd74]

Yeah that was pretty sick. When they got revived and basically returned the favor to the royal guard I enjoyed that as well. Seems like they underestimated them and Ywach and paid for it.

[@nihili4196]

I agree with sentiment, but execution of it was lacking. It would be much better if people who died there were victims of Holy Selection. We knew them already, we know how strong they are, and there would be no need to resurrect them.

[@km2460]

I see what you mean but the problem is it doesn’t make sense these characters could be killed with one hit like that. Especially with what we see later in the arc with characters such as Gerard and Lille Barro having god-like abilities and are basically not killable. How did Gerard die when his shrift is the miracle?

[@trentintoof1465]

​@km2460 eotsu himself said that his blade was an instant kill and is so dangerous no sheeth could hold it so he has it suspended.

[@flipevent]

We have come full circle boys.

[@nhall129]

I like the route they went for them, with them being unrestrained in personality they all are. Like when you get this strong and are elevated to that level you can the most extreme version of yourself, be it introverted or outgoing they can just be themselves And whose gonna stop you when you’re that strong lol

[@gravethestampede3454]

21:53 Correction. Kirio made the gikongan while Yushima created Mod-Souls, as in, the illegal varient of gikongan. Not really the same thing.

[@aizensworld9309]

Thanks for mentioning this, I was planning on saying something too 👍👍 Oko Yushima is also mentioned in The Spirits Are Forever With You novel as well as project Spearhead in the novel, the early anime and the additional filler.

[@qorv4973]

It would have been fascinating to see a few tweaks like this: Askin's schrift was why he was picked where he allowed the others to survive the oneshot hits. Potentially hard counters Hikifunes reiatsu technique The zero division could have been formed mainly by the 5 noble ancesters. Senjumaru creating the Oken/concept of the oken. Kirinji being the creator of Kaido (sorta plausible in canon actually since he taught Unohana Kaido) Having everyone have a unique Zanpakuto WITH A NAME. Senjumarus needles, the spoon the paddle the hammer that forges etc. Just a note, I feel the zero squad ties into actual japan history/ culture: Cuisine Hot springs/homeopathic medicine Clothing Caligraphy Weaponry.

[@SemekiIzuio]

The probelm wasnt that they were highly regarded for creations but tha they were established as supposedly stronger than gotei 13. It would have been much better if one if them showed concern that maybe they were going to die

[@TheDeathmail]

I honestly feel like they were unneeded. It felt like this arc retcon'd more than it did expanded everything. You know. And not every mystery needs to be known to readers. Sometimes, the mystery is the best part. And you need to remember, these guys came out in an arc that most of the readers at the time never felt needed to exist. Just the arc alone was controversial.

[@LeoArmada]

if the studio making the anime for this decides to fix some things and improve the writing,this anime might be,the single best gateway for the next decade of anime we've ever seen

[@thumbtop9562]

Very good insight! Actually this convinced me that Tite Kubo really did have some problems going on while writing the ending part of Bleach. I've read and watched some videos regarding his situation while making this part of Bleach. I really expected something more regarding the zero division which notorious for being powerful just to be trashed by Juhabach's men. I really expected more.

[@omegawynter]

As i fan, I'm happy that they gave us this final arc. But as a realist , it was forced because of Kubo's medical condition. So we're glorifying the smallest good pieces, when overall it was highly disappointing.

[@dantecrottogini529]

I really thought Mayuri should have become part of the zero division for creating "perfect" human replicas, which would have annoyed the shit out of him

[@demon2441]

He didn't though and it depends what qualities they value. Urahara beat him in creating life with mod souls. I think he would deserve it due to his bankai modification techniques though.

[@heyuitsmewallace]

Bleach was the first anime I ever got into and to this day, is still my favourite despite its flaws. Stumbled across your channel the other day and have been binging your videos, love your explanations, have definitely helped me understand a bit more about the characters.

[@endofcorporategiants]

What kudo missed on the fight was the zero division’s Bankai, that was what bleach was about, the fight becoming hard just to level things with their Bankai

[@felipepubillones2768]

We did get 1 bankai though

[@Pony_Law]

I had to go back to rewatch this to remember how unpalatable the fight was compared to the redemption the anime gave us.

[@king_recon]

YOOOOOO! Bro, I can’t believe it took me this long to find you again. I used to watch your weekly chapter reviews and wondered what happened to your channel. I’m really glad you decided to come back to KZbin, can’t wait to watch your content from here on out fam!

[@nativ3s268]

the zero division shouldve been the severed limbs of the soul king and mimihagi was the one who "escaped" the tyranny of the soul reapers and lived in rukongai, then using ukitake as his sacrifice. i think it would've played into the whole story way better

[@demon2441]

They just didn't do much. I agreed with Kirenji when he said it was the Gotei's job was to protect the soul society, but it's shocking they didn't do more to help considering they helped Rukia, Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo power up. It only a few days for all of them to drastically power up via the Zero divisions' methods so why no one else?

[@keanuboyd7493]

Urahara would definitely get into squad zero. The man has done a lot

[@firebeard32]

Aye love the videos man best place to get all around bleach discussions I love it

[@Arrowz_88]

I think the reason why Kubo skipped the battle of Zero Division is so it would give the Elite Sternirintter more hype and mystery. Think about it....if any of the Elites transformed, it's not too far-fetchdd to believe they would win with all their hax abilities.

[@klaussmith6273]

I love the fact that they were absolutely nothing we expected. They were more human than monsters and if you think deeply about it you could relate more than of they were some stoic robotic guards. The soul king is a different story if I do say so myself. But maybe the state of the soul king is why Aizen wants him dead so badly! Like why is this vegetable so important"?

[@callmetokyoto1323]

Kirinji from what i remember is the dude who invented healing kido so I'd say his spot for s well earned if its true

[@XadePsyconic]

The biggest problem with the Zero Division is that they were put up against the most OP villain in Shounen history.

[@Raifyiix]

shounen history? dont go too far, anti spiral exists

[@XadePsyconic]

@@Raifyiix Gurren Lagann isn't Shounen Jump.

[@noblscrltman6963]

I hope Kubo has a hand in the anime when it comes back and makes the fights last longer and a whole lot better like letting them use their Zanpakuto and all.

[@duskframe7331]

something i like about the zero division is that every one of them gets a moment, some more than others, but they all do something

[@Liamon96]

I think this arc was pretty good but if Shonen hadn't rushed Kubo when he was still ill/still recovering. If he had the time, this arc would have been the top of top tier chapters! I hope somehow they make the anime arc great by making all the fights greatly animated.

[@TheRichmaster24]

this is a really good explanations of the whole situation

[@wanderingrukia]

The zero division was also hinted at in episode 125 or 126 when the Head Captain was speaking with Hitsugaya and Matsumodo about Aizens plan to destroy the soul king palace

[@MyMediaChops]

It was episode 125 and Yamamoto directly stated that the Soul King has his own private security force called the Royal Security Guards. Technically that was the first time Squad Zero was mentioned but without calling them Squad Zero.

[@Sasori2105]

Kirio didn’t really do much in terms of combat so she’s the most disappointing for me. The rest had interesting little bouts. Ichibei being the only one getting an all out fight. I don’t understand why Kubo couldn’t incorporate them in the final fights with the Elite Guard (except the Mayuri/Pernida fight. That one was great). But it was such a waste of building up the Zero Division if the usual suspects (Toshiro, Kenpachi, Kyoraku, etc) would eventually take the stage yet again. Definitely agree that Shutara has the best design by far though.

[@dantecrottogini529]

what bothers is me isn't that they were defeated it's that it happened off screen

[@c-d-heid5167]

Another thing that I thought would be an interesting theory do you think in all this time since the TYBW arc ended and bleach was kinda done and we were all waiting for the anime do you think in those years before now kubo has reworked the arc and with the new studio the anime will be far different and better in many ways due to the time restraints being nonexistent for him now becuase ik when the anime was ongoing he felt like he had a lot of pressure with time and all that but with it as a non factor he could have gone through that arc again with a creative team and fixed the thing that were brought up in this video that makes a lot of sense. Like why the squad fight off screen or maybe the mishandling of their powers stuff like that watchin this video has me thinking

[@joshuamcneely3028]

I think might the 1st video i watch from you and its crazy what has happened.

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

I love TYBW just as you and I agree that the defeat of the zero squad is in the top three most infuriating parts of the arc. They definitely had to let Yhwach get to the soul king so would have to lose at least initially, but the fact that 4 of them were off screened is what pissed everyone off. Ichibe’s fight was great, but I really wanted to see what Kirinji and Oetsu could do in a full fight, abilities, zanpakuto skills, all that, but unfortunately we got none of it. I was expecting them to get some kind of buff from the soul palace or soul king, which is why they never go fight anywhere else; I was thinking they’d have some real home field advantage, but other than the fake cloth world and bird cage they didn’t. Totally did not want or need to see Pepe, would’ve rather seen zero squad or actually get to see Uryu v Haschwalth.

[@Chance57]

I could see Ichibe flat out soloing a huge amount of the Gotei and Oetsu/Kinjiro speed blitzing the ever-loving shit out of a massive portion of the rest. We didn't even see most of the ZD's full power, just casual attitudes until they got plot evacuated. If Yama is still alive He's trouble and Shunsui is a big wildcard. Kenpachi isn't unleashed yet but I wager having Yachiru/Retsu is always a better choice. I could see Kinjiro killing all the lieutenants and Oetsu just mopping up the lamer captains. Zero division fodder vs Gotei fodder is pretty much unimportant.

[@MFHMei16]

Hyasube Ichibe is on whole another level compared to the rest of the 0 squad. 0 Division strength = Hyasube Ichibe strength

[@Biotek2389]

I remember just thinking them being stronger was bs I mean if you rewind 2 years you would have to Include aizen and he could just have them kill each over of leaving ichibe to try and solo everyone

[@varimatra2088]

@@Biotek2389 not really oetsu fucking killed baro and Valkyrie the 2 imortal op fuckers any of them would alone be stronger then all espadas and aizen so from that whe can asume that aizen would get destroyed by oetsu alone no need to put ichibei on the matter

[@eli-boy7473]

@@varimatra2088 but the only reason why that is is because his Zanpakutou literally has the One-Hit mechanic. If Aizen manages to not get hit by the first strike and release, then they are in deep shit. And he would be able to do that because he is literally as powerful as a Shinigami can be

[@nikolaj97]

@@varimatra2088 Nimaya killed pre buffed lille and gerard

[@jayjoe3716]

Aizen would've done a pretty good job until he faced Ichibe. Ichibe would've just wreck him. His ability is just that strong

[@mr.effigy3885]

They need to nail this fight in the anime, no questions

[@maradjade1848]

As soon as the anime comes back your going to skyrocket into like 100 k plus mark my words. Your the next Tekking101

[@FrederickStepanis]

Really enjoying how you let us know how amped up you were n why

[@samgreen8865]

I've got to say, that I think if Kubo had tried to live up to people's expectations of the 0 division, there's no way he could have made people happy, so by going in the opposite direction, somewhat disregarded the sheer amount of hype and expectation, leading to much better character development and revelation later on.

[@Alekranidos09]

24:25 not too sure that you need Shikai to pass the academy... Pretty sure you just get an asauchi after passing the academy and becoming a shinigami, then you become a seated officer once you achieve Shikai (before that you are just a common soldier)

[@kai2082]

In my opinon Tenjiro was honestly the most disappointing. He was basically just some healer and thats about it. At least ichibe and Oh etsu got some cool fights and panels. Oh etsu at least made up his lack of stuff with humor. Great in depth video as always!

[@DavesRecipe]

Dude, you’re a legend. I cannot wait for the Bleach anime to come back.

[@aldrichbenedictusparealla5065]

The Zero Division, we really needed more of them to be developed in the upcoming Anime, at the very least.

[@paulosalles9206]

I wouldn't say I was disappointed by the 0 division. It is more so a trope in anime the extremely powerful and hyped characters will have gimmicks, which I am not a fan of. I also think with the 0 division, the gimmicks were turned up to an 11. I don't mind some characters with gimmicks but when you are dealing with a group of people that are this bad ass / hyped up and they all have gimmicks it kind of ruins the image I had of the group (at least for me anyways).

[@Theonefrombeyon]

I wouldn't say Ichibei had a gimmick he was extremely strong I'd say probably top 5 strongest easily.

[@skynyrdjesus]

Maybe I'm just misremembering the circumstances in which it's claimed that the Royal Guard is stronger than the combined Gotei 13, but with Yamamoto dead, Kenpachi's true strength locked away, Ukitake terminally ill, and Unohana having not fought in centuries, it doesn't seem like that ridiculous a claim. The level of power creep in the final arc is ridiculous even by the standards of Bleach, so it wouldn't surprise me for it to be completely true in the beginning and laughable at the end. If you include Yamamoto it becomes a little more dubious, but even then we only see them against enemies that so far outclass the Gotei 13 that comparison is pointless.

[@catnip4936]

Its funny, coz one of strongest strenritter lille barro not defeated by division zero, but by vice captain, nanao and kira

[@lordhades598]

Hopefully when the anime comes back we get more than we did in the manga since Kubo was rushed and we see the zero division get proper fights and others that didn't go Bankai that also weren't revealed in the manga. Id also like the zero division to get a flashback and more lore along with the original Gotei 13 which I think some of the zero division members were a part of originally

[@Omnislash7]

One of the biggest missed opportunities is that we never got an interaction between Hikifune and Hiyori especially after Turn Back the Pendulum has that she was Hiyori’s former captain whom she looked up to as a mother figure to the degree that when Urahara became captain, she wasn’t happy about him replacing her

[@demon2441]

Right? Kirio doesn't really ask about her either which I found odd considering kubo set it up.

[@azimmohd3979]

@@demon2441 she did....she ask hirako when zero squad arrived to sereitei...

[@demon2441]

@@azimmohd3979 I mean to the extent of having a discussion, although yes I didn't make that clear.

[@BrokenWingman]

The thing to always keep in mind with the final arc is that Kubo was given a firm deadline to finish the story, a deadline too short to fully flesh out every fight, and every character's new abilities. I mean, we get a bombardment of Bankai's, for basically EVERY character that never used it before. JUST because fans REALLY wanted to see them. Not necessarily cause the story needed them. Like, why didn't the Captain Commander just use Bankai against Aizen back in the earlier arc? Why didn't Aizen just murder literally every Gotei 13 as he left Soul Society the first time? He EASILY could have. The thing I take away from this final arc, is that Kubo could've easily done another 100 chapters and given us big fights, fully explained powers, given proper foreshadowing, etc. But he didn't have the time anymore. I mean, can you imagine if he just didn't do ANYTHING with 0 Division? Cause that was the only other option for him. Either rush, and throw something together, or just put a line that says "Ywach has killed the 0 division" and not even show them to us. I wonder/hope the anime is going to actually expand on that arc and include entirely new scenes, fights, and explanations, that Kubo couldn't fit in.