I live in Mexico and rather than using an AC, I have a number of fans which circulate air into and out of the house... dust is always a problem. I don't know why I never thought of attaching a filter, but this information is very helpful.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
The filter option is great when the air temperature outside is too hot or too cold or it is polluted from cars, industrial facilities or pollen. Otherwise, I do prefer the fresh air!
@iggiewalsh2237 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman most developers in the USA don't factor road pollution and it leads to asthma or cancer!!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@iggiewalsh2237 So true. I think about this whenever I drive by a new apartment complex next to a highway.
@H0mework Жыл бұрын
You might want to consider a swamp cooler if it’s dry.
@royce9018 Жыл бұрын
@@iggiewalsh2237 lol
@Lone.Willow Жыл бұрын
@The3DHandyman, there's an old saying: "The best dust mask is the one you're willing to wear", and I think the principle applies here, too. The best air filtration is the one you're willing to turn on, and a big part of that is how noisy the filtration is. It would be easy to achieve greater airflow by simply using bigger and bigger fans, perhaps even stepping up to 240V or Three-phase power in a shop setting. The thing is, if you need two layers of hearing protection to use your air filter... you're never going to use it. I'd LOVE it if you could start to factor noise levels into your testing as well. It might shake things up, and show that if you want top performance, option A is the best, but if you're wanting good performance and low noise, Option B is the best. Thank you for your great testing work so far!
@liannebenn20978 ай бұрын
I don't think 240 volts means something works harder than 110?
@drjasonharrison8 ай бұрын
240v at 30 amps is a clothing dryer or electric oven. 120v at 15 amps is your microwave oven or clothes washing machine.
@igatmatthew2283 Жыл бұрын
I like the way you presented the information. Makes me believe that KZbin still has genuine content creators and not clickbait artists. Definitely gonna try some of the setups you had in the video
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! It has definitely been a grind trying to do things the right way but it appears to be getting some traction finally. I appreciate the comment!
@burtreynolds3143 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Nice presentation. Looks like you bought the filters in bulk. Where did you find the cheapest option ? WalMart ? Amazon ? Other ?
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@burtreynolds3143 Thanks again! Amazon tends to be the cheapest option for most filters because shipping is free. For 3M filters, Lowes actually has pretty competitive prices when you buy in bulk. If you buy from Amazon, I'll get a small kickback which helps the channel quite a bit.
@clinthanson77122 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for these videos on air filtration for a workspace. I am about to open a community Art/Maker Space for veterans/first responders and their families. Creating art or simple projects with others helps combat PTSD. So the quality of the air in this space is very important to me. You have helped me make sound choices on how to create a safer environment for everyone. BIG THANK YOU.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Happy that I could help, Clint! These wont do much of anything for VOCs. Be sure to vent paints, solvents, etc.
@clinthanson77122 жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman Thanks that is great advice.
@mDeltaKilo Жыл бұрын
Where will you be opening your space (for the minuscule chance it may be accessible to me)?
@clinthanson7712 Жыл бұрын
@@mDeltaKilo I am located just outside Kansas City MO area.
@ingrownnipple Жыл бұрын
@@clinthanson7712 really interested in this concept. I'm not local to you but would love to hear how you're planning on running this and funding it.
@blakes8901 Жыл бұрын
this is going to sound disingenuous, but I am so proud of you. this video is absolutely amazing and so unbelievably thorough for someone with a channel that "only" has 20k subscribers. I am begging you, please, keep going. you have the veracity and perfectionism to become a serious force for good for the layman and professional alike
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
You are awesome. More content is on the way (for this subject and others)!
@deusvult7947 Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic, totally blew my mind. The way you filter all that data down to a usable information is quite impressive, hopefully this video will continue to be in circulation for years for those who choose to build their own diy filters.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I hope so too. I will be testing even more DIY options with this process very soon.
@TomLopez17 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman I am currently looking into air filtration for my beginner garage woodshop. In looking around for different systems I found that many did not perform to the standard in which they are sold. Online reviews show many air filtration systems that perform at XXX CFS will in actuality be much less once in use. I have decided to make my own air filtration device. This led me to the 'This Old House' air filter and then the DIY rabbit hole and then to your video here. The way you break down the information and show the outputs is VERY helpful. I think I will put my current project on hold in order to build the design you came up with. I need to look through the rest of your channel and see if I can find a build guide for your air filter design. If not I will come up with one on my own. Thank you for taking the time to make the video as well as you did. I will definitely be watching more of your channel. (I already subbed and all that)
@chrisgenovese8188 Жыл бұрын
This was very VERY well done! Between painting, woodworking, and metal working, dust collection and air filtration have been one of those things that I'm constantly tweaking and trying to improve. Unbiased and scientifically produced content is always appreciated!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! More designs and testing on the way next month
@danielwatkins832 жыл бұрын
This is about the 20th DIY air filtration video I've watched. Excellent information. I appreciate you taking the time to do these tests. Cheers
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that. Thanks for the comment!
@clutteredchicagogarage2720 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have a friend who has worked as a professional framing carpenter and then general contractor for maybe the past 30 years. In the past couple years, he started developing serious sensitivity to any kind of dust and a chronic, debilitating cough. When I pass by job sites in my city, I sometimes see masons grinding or cutting limestone or concrete with no respirator or dust mask of any kind. This is absolutely terrible for your lungs even when you're outside. Fine dust particles are really bad for your lungs, and I'm glad that people on KZbin are creating more content with ideas for dust filtration. I'm also glad that tool manufacturers in the past decade seem to be focusing more on better dust ports for various kinds of saws and grinders.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have watched masons and other contractors do that same thing. That is part of the inspiration behind these ideas. I have an idea specifically for contractors that I hope to get to later this year.
@albertshilton5336 Жыл бұрын
I suffer from the same thing. I worry about getting COPD.
@andysontag53362 жыл бұрын
I’m really impressed with your videos. It won’t be long until you have as big of a following as some of the other larger channels. If you've seen Project Farm's video on furnace filters, he shows that one 1” filter greatly outperforms other 1” filters. Turns out the 3M Filtrete 1900 (Merv 13) had more air flow compared to other Merv 13 filters. The reason it performs so well is because it has a lot more pleats which allows more filter media to be crammed in. His measurements showed around twice as much surface area compared to other Merv 13 1” filters. So in theory, if a 20” x 20” x 1” filter has twice as much filter surface area due to having more pleats, it would be the same as using two 20” x 20” x 1” filters with half the amount of filter surface area (fewer pleats). I think what you put together works great and has a lot of value, although I think it would perform even better if you substituted a better performing filter which appears to be the Merv 13 and 14 Filtrete filters. In my eyes the 1900 (Merv 13) hits the performance vs cost sweet spot, especially if you pick them up at Lowes with a quantity discount. However, you can find the 2800 (Merv 14) filters on Amazon, but they cost ~50% more. Another way to improve performance without increasing cost is to use a physically larger filter. So instead of using 5 20” x 20” x 1” filters for a Corsi Rosenthal box, you could use four 20” x 30” x 1” filters. Four 20” x 30” x 1” filters should perform the same as six 20” x 20” x 1” filters, or 7.5 16" x 20" x 1" filters, and cost less. Looking forward to seeing your future videos. If you happen to stay on the filter subject, I’d love to see some performance numbers of a Corsi Rosenthal box using Filtrete 1900 and/or 2800 filters. It would also be interesting to see if they improve the performance of your eight filter box using 16” x 20” x 1” filters.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment! I have seen a lot of Project Farm videos through the years and love the channel. I do think it would be best to test out different MERV ratings and different brands but the cost of doing that is quite high and I don't have the budget for it at the moment, especially after my home flooded a few days ago. Hopefully some time later this year I can make it work. I installed a 3M 2800 in a friend's house a few months ago and noticed how many pleats were in that filters. They really pack them in there! That is definitely what leads to their better static pressure ratings. A lot of the online filters are cheaper but their build quality is lackluster.
@BruceLyeg9 ай бұрын
I had just watched a video of a guy building the Corsi-Rosenthal Box and was thinking to myself "self" (I thought) "how is that any better than just a single filter on a box fan"? Then when I move my eyeballs to the right side of the screen was your video, this video. Thanks for the excellent video demonstrating the difference between the various types of set ups
@nathancooley8459 Жыл бұрын
My father is a building inspector, he spoke with a product safety inspector at a convention that had worked on exactly this problem, testing the effectiveness of various home air filters. What he said was the best filter you can use in your home is the cheap paper kind, but then you spray them with a light coat of something like Lysol air freshener. The thin coating of oil from the spray captures airborne particles. You can then re-apply the spray every other week and replace the filter every 1-3 months depending on your climate.
@The3DHandyman11 ай бұрын
That would be an interesting test to run. Thanks for the comment!
@christopherjohnson90016 ай бұрын
That’s similar to a K&N auto filter where you use, clean, and recharge using an oil-based spray.
@CatRacer1A2A Жыл бұрын
I found that by taping off the corners and making a shroud, my fan blades and grill stayed much cleaner. I use mine for household air in the cooler months when we can't open up for fresh air. I have 2 fans, both Lasko. I run the 4" Nordic pure filters. On one fan I used the metal shroud from a burnt up fan between the fan and filter. To my calibrated hand there is a noticeable increase in airflow. With 2 large shedding dogs and a fluffy cat, our home air always feels fresh and there are almost no lingering smells. Great video and testing. Thank you.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Great feedback! I think the 4" Nordic Pure filters work quite well. Good call on the shroud, a lot of people use them. They are definitely good for keeping air from pulling in the front side. In my wind tunnel test they did not return an increase in airflow but that may be the result of how the test was configured. Thanks for the comment!
@joedance14 Жыл бұрын
Interesting comment. Please clarify “metal shroud”. Not sure if you referred to grillwork that keeps hands away from blades, or the “box” of a box fan, or something different. Sounds like a “spacer” was placed between the filter and fan. I’ve heard or read that three or four inches can make for much better airflow. Thanks!
@CatRacer1A2A Жыл бұрын
@Joe Dance I used the box from a burned up fan. I just removed the guts and have taped or riveted the old shroud to the new shroud. There is a noticeable difference in performance.
@joedance14 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ColinMacInnis8 ай бұрын
Just (literally just) finished building mine. Super satisfied with the design and function and threw some sawdust in the air to see it in action and thankfully it worked like a charm. I added a 2x4 frame at the base with a 3/4” piece of plywood as a base to give it more weight at the bottom. It moves and glides around the shop with ease. Thank you!
@The3DHandyman8 ай бұрын
Glad you like it! Thanks for the feedback. I'll be doing plans for quad filters in this same style later this week if you ever want to convert to a design that uses fewer filters.
@alvinsimpson1658 Жыл бұрын
Looks Like you Put a Lot Of effort into this project. I appreciate this. Alvin
@nyla32352 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. I'm cleaning my basement in an old house and researching how I can best create cleaning of air. Your video has greatly helped my understanding of DIY options.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Happy I could help. I will put out a video on how well different brands of filters and different MERV ratings preform this weekend
@kevinstory872 Жыл бұрын
i may not be the originator of the filter on fan idea but i have used one of these for a long time. the reason i put the simple design together 50 years ago was because of allergies and the outragious cost of hepa filters on the market. i have used that simple design for its filtration at low cost and white noise for tha long. its cool seeing how this may have turned into something else but the original idea is still the same, simple cheap and effective for a person with allergies to get a really peaceful nights sleep.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
You never know, you might have been the first! It's simple cheap and effective. Lot's to love about the design.
@andrejka_talking_out_loud2 ай бұрын
The mind of a man is amazing and your tenacity doing all this testing is admirable.
@assaissa2 жыл бұрын
Two main rules of building DIY filters: 1. Increase surface area of filters. In ideal world, you build infinitely large cube made of filters. The more surface area, the less energy fan need to make its maximum air flow. 2. Dont push air of the box, but rather suck the air out of it to room - like any CPU fans do. You can notice your laptop taking air OUT of it rathern than pushing it inside. Pushing air inside box makes the air stream turbulent - that is more resistance to air flow. When you sucking air FROM the box, you get laminar (smooth) flow, because there is no obstacles for air in your room (because room is big). The blades of fan must cut-and-scoop-and-pull air FROM the box, not pushing it there. For the filter, when you SUCK air off the box, the air pressure from outside of the box is distributed more evenly by filter surface than if when you pushing the air into the box, creating vortexes inside the box. In pushing scenario air will push the filter more in areas right next to the fan.
@coldcitydweller2 жыл бұрын
Also pulling air from the filter box through the fan keeps the fan cleaner than pulling all the dirty air through the fan before it gets filtered.
@iamtheconqueror Жыл бұрын
I think he mentioned that in one of the earlier videos. Pulling air through the filter box where the fan is on the exhaust side means all the dust accumulates on the outside of the filters. If you bump into the thing with the fan off it drops the dust in the floor which kind of defeats its purpose. If you have the fan push air into the filter box then all of the dust is contained in the filter box. Bump away at it and no dust will be released
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
I agree with rule #1 if you have no way to determine the quality of filter material. The harder part is figuring out what the filter is made from. Filter material has a huge effect on small particle filtration. I'll cover this in more detail in an upcoming video where I get into all these details. As for rule #2, this is true in most instances but there are some exceptions. I'll make a video on this concept soon as well because it's quite a point of contention. Until then, the short of it is that if you want to filter the ambient air in a large space effectively, point the fan upwards, or "pull" air from the box. This works well for all the reasons listed in the comment above. However, if you are producing lots of dust next to an air filter, the outgoing air from the fan will capture that dust and blast it all over the place. Not all of it will stay in the air column and that dust will be deposited all over the place. If you "push" air into the filter box, under some conditions, you can capture dust form the source before it gets blown all over the place. The source must be no more than 5ft from the filter for this to work effectively. This concept really only really works with the enclosed-motor drum fan powered version in this video, it should never be used with a box fan powered design (Corsi-Rosenthal, or single filter). You need a very large amount of filters in your filter box for this to work. If the volume of filter media is lacking, the turbulence in the air column inside the filter box has the potential to drive particles through the filters. The "Model-A" drum fan powered version does not evenly coat the filters in this configuration. The top 6 inches of each corner of the top row the filters is relatively clean in comparison to the remaining 90% of the filter area. Dust coverage overall is very even. As long as there is enough air supply for the fan to function normally, the blades "scoop and push" air in any direction you like. The total cfm of the fan is the same in either direction, push or pull. I have run a couple of these to show the benefits of both options but more tests are needed for the video. I hope to have it out in 2 months or so. Again, I would not recommend the "push" option for virtually all DIY air filters, especially those that use box fans.
@joansparky4439 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman Will you also look into radial fans vs the axial fans you tested? And what blade design is best there (forward/ straight/backward)? And also into the power draw of all of those.. watts vs volume of air moved would be a good guide I think.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@joansparky4439 I will do all those things! Not in the same video, but eventually... I have a design for a blower/centrifugal fan and an inline fan in the works. Off the top I would say that the axial fans tend to be the most energy efficient but I'll have all the official numbers in the next few months 👍
@dewitubeX18 ай бұрын
Dude your channel is going to bloom, this is a well put together video. you're the man.
@barrylinkiewich9688 Жыл бұрын
I really like that circulator design you proposed at the end. I've got dust collection at device for most of my shop tools but it's obviously not containing the fines because any time I do much work I'm still getting dust settling.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
That's what inspired me to try these out in the first place. I don't like spending much time cleaning. The circulator seems like the most effective option for a small space. I actually planned on installing something a little more custom in a space that I had planned on moving into least year but still haven't... I did concept it out in this video tho. You might like it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZm5iKakidJrn7c Otherwise the circulator is just a Model-A (original filter design) that has an extended box on it. I would recommend giving it another stack of filters if you push it up against the wall/ceiling tho. 6 Filters is borderline to few for this drum fan.
@MM-cg8cg9 ай бұрын
You deserve much more likes and views. Thank you so much for your thorough test.
@mathieubarrault4502 жыл бұрын
I love this serie ! thank you for all your tests. (and thank you for showing the plastic peeling of the remote, so satisfying ^^)
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Glad you are enjoying it. More to come! Lol, yeah, I didn't have any footage for that moment in the video so I threw that in hoping that someone would get some satisfaction 👍
@robertdouglas4293 Жыл бұрын
Nice, in design stages with easily accessible stuff, this is going to be fun, going to make one for a neighbor with breathing problems, Thanks for the info!
@ZadesLegacy2 жыл бұрын
I wish there was more videos like this! Your work and testing is so beneficial.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian!
@albertshilton5336 Жыл бұрын
I love this video. I retired and have a 24’ x 45’ wood shop with 16 ft. Ceilings and I am literally sick from wood dust. I caught up dust at night. My question is, which way should the exhaust go? Up would create a rain of dust that might recirculate through the filter. Down would kick up dust from the floor. Horizontally would work through an open window if I had one. The best solution might be several cubes with merv 14’s near belt sanders, table saws etc. What do you think.
@talltimberswoodshop75522 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I bought a Harvey G700 for my 600sf shop and run it as long as I am in the shop even when not cutting anything.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Nice air filter!!!
@BriBo24x7 Жыл бұрын
You should look at the video that Jay Bates did a few years ago where he used a furnace fan. I build this same setup and it moves a massive amount of air, and does it relatively quietly. It also uses 20x20x1 air filters and has a rolling base so you can put it next to whatever you are working on. Works really, really well, but I would be interested to try it with some of the thicker filters you tested.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
I have seen it. A guy just offered me an old furnace fan as well. I hope to have a video out that features it in 2 or 3 months. The current plan is to use a MERV 16 filter for almost HEPA performance. Thanks for the comment!
@davidhaman9745 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman-- I look forward to it! Except, I am considering using washable high quality filters.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@davidhaman9745 That's a great choice. They don't work as well as the disposables but they last for a very long time. I tested the K&N filters against smoke particles and they preformed fairly well. I am working on a modified filter kit that uses K&Ns for a prefilter then a MERV 5 canister for the super fine particles. I'll test this setup in the same way as the others. I will also be offering a build it yourself version of the Model-B in a few weeks or so.
@joedance14 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman”...MERV 5 canister...”?
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@joedance14 Lol, MERV 15 canister. This video is still in the works but should be out in a few weeks. It's been a rough couple of months with 100+ hour working weeks.
@jakobthomas35872 жыл бұрын
i have been looking for somebody who tested different fans and speeds Thank you very much for all this great info!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised someone hadn't done it already! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@robertzimmerman4685 Жыл бұрын
Doing a lot of research on cleaning the air in my shop,about 750 sqft 10’fch.this has helped, thanks , think I will do a 4 filter unit
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
I've got a video on air filter performance as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnKtkJJ7Ys18gMU I'd suggest 3M filters or off-brand 2" filters for the 4 filter design. The air king fan also preforms 20% better than the lasko.
@jimwillockx22782 ай бұрын
It is refreshing to see opinions backed by science and math. Thank you!!!
@steveaustin53442 жыл бұрын
I bet it's helpful to reduce pollen (thus hay fever) in Springtime and reduce smoke from wildfires too. Excellent video man. I really enjoyed the deep dive. I heard that some kids make these in schools too. What a great idea for a school project! Get kids excited about STEM.
@steveaustin53442 жыл бұрын
Presently, the best value ($/area) for MERV13 (1900) filters I could find via your Amazon link is the Filtrete 24x24x1. It's definitely worth comparing different sizes and quantities. The prices vary a lot.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
@@steveaustin5344 Thanks Steve! I am working with a local non-profit to make kits for my air filters. They have kids from a STEM school coming in to do the work on them. I'm really excited about it! The kits should be available next month. I plan to do a video on the different cost's per filter and the performance of different MERV rated filters. Lot of content opportunities in this space!
@HyperactiveNeuron Жыл бұрын
My brother is a mechanical engineer specializing in HVAC... He would need impressed with your thoroughness.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
The next video will be even more through! Too through maybe... that's why it isn't out yet... I keep adding tests on to the schedule.
@neilbaltes34692 жыл бұрын
Terrific info!! Your design with the CAT fan is the design I'm gravitating towards. I'm a DIY'er and occasional maker. I like this design as it offers portability with really good dust control. When doing a home improvement project I can keep dust from entering other parts of the house; certainly down to a minimum. Thank you again for all your efforts...the education is awesome!!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I think my original design should work great for that. You can park it in a doorway and that should prevent any dust from escaping. I have also used it in a dusty room for end of project cleanup by closing the doors, putting the filter in the center and using a leaf blower to kick up all the remaining dust after vacuuming. Definitely wear a dust mask for that :)
@neilbaltes34692 жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman Great minds...Milwaukee bench blower is on my list. I've bought a nice mask made by Trend. It's comfortable which means I wear it. Now, I just have to find the time to build your CAT version. LOLOL
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
@@neilbaltes3469 Finding the time is always the challenge! That Trend mask looks pretty nice! My 3M is just ok as far as comfort. I'll need to try some new ones at some point.
@bkinstler Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@daveknott45632 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Just sub'd and looking forward to more. It's detailed, yet condensed, rational, cost in mind, and hits that 10 minute sweet spot.
@robertkerby25819 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed your very informative video! I would have liked to see you build one of those filtration systems. Well done, Sir!
@The3DHandyman9 ай бұрын
Thanks you. One day I will get around to more builds!
@AndrewHelgeCox2 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about making filters with smaller fans, sized to match the airflow possible through one of these filters. So, rather than adding eight filters to one big fan, give each panel it's own little fan, perhaps a large PC case fan, with a slim profile frame. That might let me wall mount them for unobtrusive background filtering or deploy them in a cluster around a dust source temporarily. To equal the flow rate of your big box, divide the flow rate of the fan you have on it and locate eight fans, each with one eighth of the airflow.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
That a cool concept! It looks like you can get 100CFM out of a good 200mm case fan. Since it's a low volume of air the filter shouldn't produce that much static pressure to slow down the flow. It will also be far quieter than anything in this video! haha. Let me know how it works!
@AndrewHelgeCox2 жыл бұрын
Maybe fans from dumpster / e-waste PCs would be required to make the project cost competitive.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewHelgeCox Good point. They don't have to look fancy. I have a high CFM server fan kicking around that fits that description but it sounds like a jet engine!
@Shamustodd1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! This points me in the proper direction for a DIY solution. Currently running the box fan with 1" filter option along with the shop vac hooked to any equipment I can hook to. It's better than nothing but Just better. I needed a something better but wasn't sure which way to go. The data you've shared paves the way for multiple filters with a powerful fan. Again thank you.
@scrumptiousjdp2 жыл бұрын
Hi and wow, this is awesome! Have you tried the passive home filtration system that uses a filter in a window with a cross breeze? Can't find that video now but I saw it on KZbin a couple years ago.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea! Many years ago I had an idea to make a product that was essentially that. I just couldn't figure out how to make the filter adjust to all sizes of window. There are lots of filters out there that could fit your average window....but maybe I should take another crack at that idea and make a video on that too. Thanks for the thought!
@Storyholder232 жыл бұрын
Great video, thorough test, good humor and humility. Watching more in the series right now
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks William
@Eilaithen1 Жыл бұрын
Very cool content. I could pick up a cheap filtered for in home use but have been considering the diy option for a while. I would probably got the hepa route for the home though. You definitely earned a sub from me looking forward to more content!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'll be testing a 20x20x5 MERV 16 filter on a box fan soon. I actually tested some HEPA filters as well but haven't finished that video either. I need to add more charts here but there is a bit of into on the tests already the3dhandyman.com/what-is-the-best-air-filter/
@AK88. Жыл бұрын
You took the cake man well done keep at it!
@jonathanrand7767 Жыл бұрын
I bet a lot of woodworkers would love to see you dive into alternatives to the expensive canister filters for their dust collection systems. Me, for example.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Coincidently I will cover canister filters in my upcoming videos! 3 will be tested, including the Wynn and cheaper alternatives.
@michaelwright1602 Жыл бұрын
It was getting stale in the house, various air cleaners, they don't really work that well, and are small. I have a Lasko box fan, went up to Home Depot and bought a $5 20x20x1 inch filter, duct taped it to the fan. I cannot believe the dirt it is actually sucking out of the air! In fact, I am SHOCKED! Damn thing works! And yes, I change out the furnace filter on a regular basis... In fact, I just changed it. Oh, I did subscribe! Fantastic video!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks for subscribing Michael! I have a video out on what filters works best for the single fan/single filter option. The low cost filters will pull dust out of the air but others work even better when it comes to smoke and extra small particles. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnKtkJJ7Ys18gMU I suggest that you can just the fancy ones in your HVAC but it seems like its best to run them in a separate filter and keep the high flow filters in your A/C instead.
@ntsreviewsandvlogs9005 Жыл бұрын
If you’ve never used an air filter these are great. kzbin.infoUgkx_dppjvjF8BYEmPSDTcgCUdRsgWYLXNHN I ended up with three after starting out with one. The noise level depends on the 1-3 settings with how hard you want the machine to work. You can also upgrade the filters and get one better for pet hair and smells which is a must have in my home. I noticed the air seemed lighter and easier to breathe when running the machine for the first time. Works great every time. Highly recommended!
@pikeyMcBarkin Жыл бұрын
funny carpenter sent me over. Subbed! Great video.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks for subbing! I will give him a shout out in one of my new videos as well. I actually didn't know that I could buy a dust bag for a shop vac until I watched his video on that subject... thought is was all up the the filter!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Don't want to tape one up? Check out my new filter kits! Watch the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4qyp6GnpLxnfpI Buy the kits www.etsy.com/shop/The3DHandyman
@lanzer22 Жыл бұрын
Note that if your goal is to have a home air filter, high CFM is not necessarily a must. Leave a cheap 20" fan running on low for a few hours and you can already drastically lower the AQI to less than 1 as long as you have plenty of filter surface area. Workshop filtration is a completey different matter of course.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Very true! The sound the high end fans make is not fun to be around in your livingroom or bedroom, for sure.
@dargunsh7156 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandymanhello, do you have discord by any chance? I'd like to get some help with building my own filter. I have a high cfm fan of about 4000 to 8000 cfm depending on speed, 50cm(19,6inch) diameter blades How many filters do I need? I only have two 60by60cm filters. Would stacking them together work or should I put them on different parts of the box?
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@dargunsh7156 Hi! I don't have a discord yet, but I can answer your questions here or through the Etsy message system if you want to send pictures or something. 4000-8000cfm is a lot. If you are using 60x60cm filters, I would suggest using 6-8 of them side by side. The more filters there are the better it will run. The filters can be arranged in a box configuration or in a line with one another if you want top make a ceiling mount. The filters will cost more up front but they will last longer if there are more of them. If you still have more questions, just ask.
@胡曼芬2 ай бұрын
I like people doing right thing seriously rather than performance. I only give them thumbs up, and i think i like your work.
@steveboyle6891 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Very impressive video! Really well done 👍👍
@gdreilly2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Remember doing tests like this while in engineering school
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I wanted to be an engineer, then along the way I discovered I couldn't do Calculus! So much for that, lol
@woodworksbygrampies1284 Жыл бұрын
Hola!🖐By far the best video I have watched on the topic. This is also my very first video of yours I have come across. I'll be watching more and more of then now. Thanks for all your work and effort then sharing your findings with us all. Take care and have a good one, Adios!👊
@birdsoup4355 Жыл бұрын
this information is helpful for cleaning my hobby room especially when i airbrush.
@TheOldGuyPhil10 ай бұрын
It was all I could do to wait until the end of this video to Like and Subscribe!!! Excellent presentation of this obviously well researched subject. Great job!!!
@DerClaudius2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extensive tests... I've been thinking about what to get exactly forever..
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Any time! Each option seems to have it's own benefits outside of just airflow and filter ratings. It's a lot about what you are doing and where the fan will be placed in the room. It's the sort of thing that can take exactly forever. I hope the video finally got you going in a direction!
@chriskrawczyk2589 Жыл бұрын
Great info, I got to build myself one of those.
@GeeCeeAte Жыл бұрын
Man these algorithms.. I have never searched for anything like this. Tonight I took a carbon filter and taped it to a box fan. This was the third video down when I opened up KZbin haha. Amazing vid though! Thank you!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I just tested a bunch of filters to see if which filter smoke the best. The 3M MERV 13 and 14 filters work really well on the back of a box fan. I'll also be testing a few more options in a new video that will be out in a few weeks. Here is the current one. I talk about 1" filters on fans towards the end... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnKtkJJ7Ys18gMU
@weefunkster2 жыл бұрын
These videos are top notch man well done. I had to make a comment just to let you know you are on the right track, keep her lit.
@steventrott8714 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your hard work on this. Very impressive for a programmer!
@Lucidity__2 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for making this. I’ve been testing different diy air filter options for a while and this was very helpful!
@JPToto2 жыл бұрын
This super timely since I'm about to build some kind of air cleaning system for my garage shop. Well done!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@idontcare1102 Жыл бұрын
this would be great for allergy season but i may not use for workshop thanks
@ohtoah Жыл бұрын
Good Job, Beneficial truthful information. Crossflow seems to be key in a work area. All so ducting from the proximity of the source of the material to be removed from the air. I have used restaurant grease hood fans, they have large cfm and used ones can be found very cheap, with the bonus of being explosion-proof.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
That's good info. I have been working with a few ducted designs lately. It's a bit of a different setup than what you describe but the results are quite good. Those shaded-pole motors are top notch. I've been wanting to test with them for quite some time. Maybe one day!
@brettgl21 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this video. I have been trying to figure out what to do about my dust problem. I am going to build one of the big ones like you use. Thanks again.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
I'm sure you will like it! That filter has worked well for me over the last 4 years.
@Arc-2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I am building 3 of these for my house and used your amazon links to purchase. Appreciate your efforts!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Thanks for your support!
@joedance14 Жыл бұрын
Decided to look at this video again. Great work, really impressive!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This video will also get an update with loads of new filters and configurations tested.
@s.spiegel30329 ай бұрын
amazing video. thx a lot for all your work!
@Jakewarb Жыл бұрын
Thank you for going through all of this testing! I must say, i did reverse engineer some of your numbers to try and get the max cfm for 16x25 filter and a few other sizes. I've watched this video about 6 times all the way through, and i'm sure i'll watch it a few more times. now i feel like i need to get an anemometer. Would love to see results in the wind tunnel using the pull method and see how much vacuum it makes. Thanks again for doing all the dirty work, loving these videos.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I already tested that but haven't gotten the video done yet. Some of the results are up on my website though with lots more to come... the3dhandyman.com/what-is-the-best-air-filter/
@CueBall909 Жыл бұрын
Stumbled across this video and it was very informative. I'm looking to setup something similar for my shop soon. On your shroud testing, you should try removing the cover from the King fan and putting cardboard "fillers" in the four corners. That way you have a shroud at the location of the blades. If it works, and I suspect it will, it would be easy to 3D print some really sturdy pieces and improve performance at very low cost and effort.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Already finished the parts for this, just need to run some tests. The video should be out in a few weeks!
@AttackofMax2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, boss. Very helpful and generous. Can’t wait to see some more projects.
@jmpattillo2 жыл бұрын
This series of videos is a real gift. Thank you.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! There are more to come
@jacobbaxter2278 Жыл бұрын
This has to be one of my favorite YT videos. Scratches an awesome hobbiest niche, an awesome public health niche, and lays out everything necessary to replicate!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
More on the way too!
@jacobbaxter2278 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman I'm addicted now! Love all of the new videos. I've used tons of the affiliate links. Bought the AQM. Interesting conclusion on 3M vs Nordic Air. Could you wind-tunnel test 2 fans stacked? I'd also love to see decibels be a top statistic you present too =)
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
@@jacobbaxter2278 Stacking axial fans creates a lot of turbulence and therefore doesn't really improve results. I just tried serial inline fans and expected more of an improvement that I ended up getting. Where those really shine appears to be running them in parallel. That video should be out next month! Here's the sound info I've collected so far. The numbers are arranged from high to low speed. Background sound 40dB Lasko @1 ft - 63, 60, 55 Air King @1ft - 68, 66, 61 Air doctor @1ft - 64, 58, 52, 45 Maxx air @1ft - 71, 67, 57 Caterpillar @1ft - 71, 67, 63, 57
@jacobbaxter2278 Жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman Makes great sense. Thinking about helicopters, I wonder if that's why they do counter-rotating blades. I wonder if flipping the direction of spin would allow serial gains vs parallel =) Might think about how to do this appropriately
@WillN2Go110 ай бұрын
Good video. Thanks. Something else to consider. I built a 'temporary' filter box over my floor furnace. These things are so terrible I pulled them out of my old house and we went without a heating system for a few years. It's basically a box hanging on the wall, with a 1" filter 20x24" on the bottom above the grate. Works great. It's also forced air, so it heats up my house much much better. At the beginning of the heating season I go into the furnace and vacuum out every corner I can reach. (I put a 3/4" aluminum pipe on a DIY adapter to get into the tight areas). Works pretty good, but there's still dust in the air. This year I took apart the small Lasko fan and cleaned the blades and grills. Huge improvement. So those filter boxes with the box fan pointing straight up? They will get dust build up like my Lasko, but also dust falling back down when the system is off. In a shop I would suggest a piece of cardboard as a cover when not in use. Also higher up is always better -- that's where we breathe. Even with my furnace filter I have two regular air filters. I find if I vacuum off the outside carbon filter every year I don't have to replace the filters for several years. I live in Southern California, in Los Angeles, so less heat is needed and there's more dust.
@The3DHandyman10 ай бұрын
Interesting info. Thanks for the comment!
@SamanPerera2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. I am definitely going to build one for my garage.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for watching. Let me know if you think of any ways to improve it!
@WhatAboutZoidberg Жыл бұрын
Nice video, with actual results. Gives me a lot of food for thought. Also, nice Ted Drews shirt! love me some frozen custard.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Last time I was at Ted's there was a torrential downpour and we ended up ordering a second round while standing under the awning. Good times.
@willshen5051 Жыл бұрын
Absolute great test/build process! My questions is, have you ever tried other options of fans, like using a few fans in series to boost the wind pressure, or using a centrifugal fan?
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I plan on testing inline fans in series in the next few weeks. I am also working on a design for a centrifugal fan that was pulled from an old furnace. They will be put through all the the same tests as the ones in this video. Say tuned!
@stevenwilson81062 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video, thank you. I was drawn to your video because I have a small but powerful unit, already, but with no filtration at the moment. It has a good fan/motor that I had from another project. It was not originally an air purifier but it has a good housing. I thought it would be fun to do a DIY project, and to save money, and I thought that I would try to make a Quality Hepa filter and a granulated activated charcoal filter as a project to do with my grandson. Your video is giving me a great start. Thanks for the education!!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I think that sounds like a great project!
@amtb70x7anunkwn9 Жыл бұрын
MOST Excellent and very informative. As a former A/C Duct Mechanic I see you have done your homework. 🙂👍 great job Sir! Thank You.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks! That means a lot
@erich.36152 жыл бұрын
Love the video as I am about to take care of building an air filter system for my small shop.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Check out my video on small shop design, I highlighted a wall mounted system that I think should work well. I haven't moved into that shop yet, so I haven't had a chance to try it out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZm5iKakidJrn7c
@jasonloving Жыл бұрын
Thank you for answering this question I really appreciate it.
@walter.bellini9 ай бұрын
Great and helpful video thank you for your time, talent and money invested.
@NichHaberle2 жыл бұрын
You are the man. I am going to replicate your air filtration process. Thank you for the deep dive!!!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you are too kind. Glad you got something out of the video!
@BlueHawaii20022 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot and will factor this into my own workshop
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear it! I felt like I could have said so much more. If you have any questions, let me know
@ernie5482 жыл бұрын
Great article and information, thank you. I will build one of these in a couple months time (need to make space). I think your end picture of the 'downdraft' model is ideal for me in respect to where the fan is. I guess you are making that to pull air in through the filters from the outside and pull the air out of the inside of the filters with the fan on bottom and air exiting the fan vs. the top install design you have with the fan on top pushing air into the inside of the filters and out through the filters. I will try the fan installed on bottom but still pushing the air into the filters (i.e. 'Updraft' ) . Will let you know once I get to it. I'll buy off your affiliate links to help. Thanks for the ideas and testing that was very well done.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm happy to help. I hope that I can get another video out about the concept of pushing air into the filters vs pulling air out of them before you get to build time. Some people don't like the idea but I think it works great in practice!
@shadowminor Жыл бұрын
I think this is the first video I have seen someone mention the shroud need to be inline with the blade. ! idea you could look at that wouldn't be too terribly expensive is a small scale filter system for desk work space using PC fans.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
I have a design for a desk system that I'll be testing soon. What sort of work are you using it for?
@mccryan3 Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic research! I wonder if a blower (squirrel cage) type fan would improve the $/cfm ratio of some of the higher cfm setups. Thanks!
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I will be testing out one of those some time soon to say for sure...
@GrandpasPlace2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has built and worked with laminar flow hoods to create sterile environments, I would like to give you a couple of simple suggestions. 1) Use a squirrel cage fan. You'll get better airflow and they can be much cheaper if you source one from a used air conditioner system. 2) Use a $1 furnace filter on the intake side as a pre-filter. It is cheap and can collect the larger particles that will quickly clog your better filters. Assuming you keep the configuration, personally I think it would be better to pull air through the filter and out via the fan.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Great to get comments from people experienced in the industry! Thanks for the comment A used blower motor of that size is definitely a good find. It's nice that the static pressure info is also available for this type of motor. The prefilter idea is a great one. I am experimenting with some washable fabric options at the moment. Something that will last years, hopefully. I just finished graphing the numbers and in a 4400sq.ft space the "pull" config outperforms the "push" config by only 10% in a smoke test (30 minutes to good air quality from a hazardous level vs 34 minutes). I actually expected it to be a larger difference that that. Given that I use it as an oily vapor sink, a paint booth, and a dust removal station, etc... I still like blowing air into the filter box despite how unorthodox it may be.
@vigilante_stark2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video man. I'm fed up of dust myself and trying to solve this problem.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Happy to help! I am wrapping us filming on the next series which tests a bunch of air filters to see which captures the most small particles and gets the highest airflow. I hope to have the video out in about a week or so. VOC reduction will follow! Testing a bunch of ideas for that too.
@InvestingBookSummaries Жыл бұрын
Wow this is pretty incredible production.
@vingtsang1202 жыл бұрын
Love your content. I have a brand new garage where one half is a leisure space (gym, tv, etc) and the other half is my woodshop. Needless to say that dust is not a good mix between the two spaces. So I'd really be curious to see what the Beastie Boy could do.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! There are actually plan on the website already if you want to give it a shot! the3dhandyman.com/workshop-air-filter-series/ I had a similar issue with my new shop space that I have not moved into yet. I do talk about it a bit in this video. Basically you want to have a fan ducted to the other clean side of the room so that the air is always moving toward the filters, not towards the clean stuff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZm5iKakidJrn7c Let me know what you think of the idea!
@samithree28242 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks for the research and handy charts! Keep it up!
@rowneilborja33852 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I've built a quick and dirty air filter box using a lasko knock off fan but I put the fan in a box and have the filters 1 inch away from the back of the filter. I actually have 2 filters on the box, one in front of the fan and one in back. The drop in wind speed is VERY noticeable but otherwise it seems to do pretty well. The space that I'm filtering is also pretty tiny so maybe it's fine just because of the smaller space.
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
The size of the space does play a big roll in how well the filter preforms. The smaller the better in a way. A cardboard shroud could help air from being pulled in the wrong way and making that fan dirty in place of a filter on the front side. It may not increase performance of the fan but it should slow down air flow less than the front side filter.
@gingerwoodworks14922 жыл бұрын
You earned a sub great video! you got me thinking about my next shop and how this could be used
@captainhook4262 жыл бұрын
I'm stealing your current design, cutting down to 4 filters instead of 8 while using 4" filters. That should allow me to be low profile enough I can sneak it under a bench when the car needs to be parked in the garage. I don't see a link to the Anemometer. If you have one, I'll just order it for comparison. Or any other recommended option. Great video! Super excited for the next one!
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea! The 4" filters may even preform better than the 8x1" filters. The original video for that design shows a 4" filter option for a moment during the animation. How do you plan to hold down the filters? That's one part I didn't give much thought to. Anemometer Link - Right now this one is the lowest price amzn.to/3OkzmhF Feel free to post the results of your test here!
@YCM30cnc2 жыл бұрын
Great content …. Great delivery & great objective data presentation.
@thegrimmtv3532 Жыл бұрын
Just with the intro, I immediately subscribe.
@cpattullo12 жыл бұрын
very well put together video and, more importantly, thank you for showing your work, and the data! Also appreciate the plans and links. (I *don't* need an anemometer. Just wanted to say thanks.)
@The3DHandyman2 жыл бұрын
Noted! There are some people that really want it and they will appreciate that. Thanks much for the comment!
@cpattullo12 жыл бұрын
@@The3DHandyman yup. Wouldn't want it to go to waste! I hope you get the funding to build the mega filter :)
@amdsixtyfour Жыл бұрын
excellent and useful video, thank you for creating this
@klave8511 Жыл бұрын
This is a really good video. Thanks for the level,of detail you went to. For a shop, the filter and fan is really only a part of the solution, to be effective you have to control the airflow to the filter, you have to move the air across the work area and to the filter. This means you need some blowers and ducting to direct the air across the work area and then the filters capture that air. You did allude to this at the end. Without this you are just sucking air from near the filter. You will see this in any properly designed air conditioned application especially where there are shops with doors that open to the outside and the cost of air loss (warmed or cooled) is important. You did start along this path when you tested the dust that actually enters the filters but you left it to the fan to suck the dust laden air with no real control. You must control the air flow. You have started looking at the problem from a system viewpoint by including the dust collection and the cost of ownership. If you do this a bit more and realize that larger shops need different equipment to small rooms. For example, a pre collection system may be justified, a basic cloth filter that can be cleaned or a cyclone that can take some particles out of the stream so that the filters last longer. And actual measurement has already been mentioned (particle counter) to gauge when the filter is blocked, this will also affect cost of the filters over time. Many modern cars tell you when to replace the oil based on you usage, they save money this way, a similar system can be used for air filter replacement. If you can’t measure the particles then you can measure the pressure differential or the airflow rate to tell you when to replace the filter. This needn’t be a fancy electronic device, a simple manometer or even just a flap with a a weight can be used to indicate when airflow is reduced or differential pressure (across the filter) tells you the filter is now too full to filter properly. I did repeat some stuff you mentioned, I hope you don’t mind the repetition, I think you are doing great work here, many thanks.
@The3DHandyman Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! There is a lot of good stuff in there that I hope to cover in a future videos. I did a smoke test in a recent video (and I plan to elaborate on this in an upcoming video) that tests to see how well the air is filtered at 15ft away from the device. I will also be testing dirty filters in an upcoming video but the testing schedule is getting very full with all the requests from people. So, hopefully that will be out in a month or two. Pre-filters for all these designs are also a work in progress. The high MERV filters are great but expensive and keeping anything out of a landfill for as long as possible is always the best option. As for controlling the movement of air in the space, you are absolutely right. I had hoped t move into a new shop last year and test out this design. Maybe I will one day. We will see. The owner of that building has shut down all current construction unfortunately. Anyways, here is the link. At the end I talk about the air filter system kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZm5iKakidJrn7c
@MrKingtiny2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing test. Well thought out and nice work.