Mortal Kombat: New/Old Timeline Character Tier List

[@dante_02]

Firstly, it's an honour that you used my tier list for your video I'm glad you put use to it After that, I want to clearify some stuff: there are some missing characters because, at the time (a few weeks post MK11's original launch, I believe), I felt like there was barely anything to say about them, and those were OT Kintaro, the Comic version of the Red Dragon, and other characters that either weren't shown yet, or I just didn't get a good image to showcase them. And there's also the case for the MK11 versions of Sindel, Nightwolf and other DLC characters which, at that time, I didn't even know they existed, and that's why they aren't in the list.

[@dante_02]

@@nebula5371 if I were to update it now, I would probably put Twindel below them

[@cameronjohnson9361]

I love this channel and thank you for your contribution I wish I could bitch about the mk power level randomness with this guy

[@-_-murilo2865]

pog

[@krispris4537]

I'm sorry if I mistake you from someone else, but are you D from the Spanish MK Amino?

[@SketchHusk]

@@nebula5371 Yeah same.

[@Erven777]

Shao Khan: Like wife. Life good. Wife fight back! Kill wife! Wife gone. Regret.

[@realMysticRuby]

Sad.

[@vruuumvruumm1355]

Wife gone Think about wife Regret

[@glonk1535]

That's basically his life before MK games

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

More like wife kills herself

[@malak.6969--0]

*TRUMP JOKE HERE*

[@thetruej7872]

Johnny Cage was the best written character in the NRS era. That's shocking.

[@LuckiSir]

It’s weird, but also somewhat satisfying. He’s not my favourite character, but he’s pretty up there tbh

[@tizzellit2368]

ITS FACTS

[@Ticketman99]

He's 1995 movie Johnny. Easy peasy.

[@lapplandkun9273]

the only character NRS hasn't ruined because he's comic relief. That's pretty sad, to be honest. They can't get any other character right

[@Superluigi881]

He also is the only character that wasn't destroyed in someway by MK11. Even dodged a bullet by not being in aftermath. I really liked what they did with Scorpion too but then the worst villain got to kill him and not Bi Han and I was left with a bitter taste.

[@Jamal2504]

It's funny how Johnny Cage becomes organically likable in the new timeline. He matures, becomes a great dad, wins the day against Shinnok, and doesn't die at all (whereas he died all the time in the previous timeline).

[@milesandrews6711]

I mean him besting shinnok was kinda horseshit, but he also didn't really beat shinnok as shinnok got up right after At least it's nothing near as stupid as Cassie cage beating up freaking corrupted shinnok who's supposed to be the big bad and shinnok on roids

[@joeodonnell8800]

@@milesandrews6711 they could have done better with it, but Shinnok is kinda a jobber anyway lol. And now that I'm thinking about it Johnny Cage actually defeated Shinnok once before in armageddon, so he wasn't the worst choice.

[@milesandrews6711]

@@joeodonnell8800 actually shinnok wasn't even a jobber, he washed most of the allied forces on his own, it's only until Johnny cage gave Raiden the amulet that he was defeated And corrupted shinnoks first and only loss came from Cassie cage

[@Wright805]

@@milesandrews6711 Johnny didn't really "best" Shinnok. The cutscenes show that after Johnny knocks him down he gets right back up again and resumes a fighting stance, no worse for wear. He only lost when Raiden sealed him in the amulet.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@milesandrews6711 I wish they explained the red shadow thing he had in his mkx gameplay. There was a bit of story potential behind that.

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

Bo Rai Cho "He's wasted." Well, yes he always is.

[@realmjumper8154]

*DISGUSTING!*

[@kassiafinch]

*insert those drum noises here*

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@cactusmalone same

[@cactusloser]

Kenshi was considered the shining star of the 3d era, and then one of the most anticipated characters for MKX. Only to then be overshadowed by his son and barely even requested for MK11. It really shows how poorly utilized he was in MKX

[@michaelfireheart8300]

I mean at least he was in it, compared to now where not even his son got in MK 11, since Jacqui was so interesting just like Fem-Bot Frost!

[@cactusloser]

@@michaelfireheart8300 Takeda’s exclusion from 11 is probably the most confusing absence for me. Jacqui, Erron, and and even Kotal probably should have been lower priority. They also could have incorporated his telepathy/telekinesis into his moveset since Kenshi and Ermac are both absent from this game

[@caesar1700]

I still can't get over Kenshi not getting a chapter in MKX's story mode.

[@bandana.7077]

@@cactusloser Takeda is gonna be in KP3, he basically didn't show up in MK11 story mode or Aftermath because he was busy tracking down the people who murdered his mother

[@ShiftyGuy777]

It's too bad Kenshi was always mediocre in the 3D games, in MK9 he was good.

[@windwind3170]

OG Kahn: I poisoned the Onaga, conquered countless realms for 10 000 years so that the Elder Gods themselves had to introduce the MK tournament just to halt the inevitable. Modern K: WAIF

[@thelastcrow5660]

"Lets make Outworld great again!" :'DDDD

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

OG Khan: I was this powerful, godlike threat that was the final boss of two games and was the boss of the original final boss and sub boss. I had both brains and brawn, able to duke it out with the strongest characters while also being strategic and careful, taking out people beyond my power and manipulating powerful warriors to my side and somehow I won Armageddon in the end. New Khan: I am a whiny, muscle bound idiot who relies way too much on my lackeys and if it wasn't for Quan-Chi I would have died from Liu-Kang and never been able to invade Earthrealm. Despite an impressive showing in MK9 where it takes the combined might of Raiden and the Elder Gods to beat me and most arcade endings showcase me as being incredibly powerful and unstoppable the next time I am in a story role I am as weak as every other villain, gets blinded by Kitana who used to fear me and have to be saved by my WAIF. I then for some reason allow Shang-Tsung to wear Kronika's crown even though he's clearly not trustworthy. Also I talk like Donald Trump now.

[@thelastcrow5660]

@Dylan Sharp He is not THAT bad, but he deserves more.

[@cesarflamenco9484]

I read WAIF in Borat's voice.

[@annihilator5494]

@@MysteriousTomJenkins Wasn't shao kahns power boosted when he fought Raiden?

[@ijustworkhere1008]

It annoys me how wasted Ermac is in the new timeline. MK9 sets up the future plotline of Jerrod’s soul being in Ermac, and an intro dialogue with Scorpion in MKX outright states that Shao Kahn’s soul was inside him as well. There was a clear establishment of this plotline in which Jerrod and Shao Kahn’s souls battle for control of Ermac’s body, and then they never followed through with it

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

Funny enough both Jerrod and Shao Khan are now in Shang Tsung

[@Jordan13299]

They scrapped that and turned Jerrod into some pussy ass bitch getting killed by everyone. I was always under the impression that Jerrod was a total chad to the point where bitches kill themselves when he dies but Shao Khan was just too strong in the end.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@Jordan13299 funny thing, he actually was a Chad. Mk2 Malibu comics portrayed him like that. Shao kahn needed a plan to take down jerrod as he was a very powerful king. As his plan, he had to use Shang Tsung as a baby in order to deceive him. He was also fighting lin kuei and the lin kuei were shook. We saw a glimpse of his powers such as emporer spirit shield, make a fire sword etc. Shao and Shang basically took him down from behind and he still wanted to fight.

[@thetruej7872]

I kinda wished they had Liu Kang had the "no kill" mentality in more games.

[@thetruej7872]

@Siper Yeah but I think they scrapped it in MK3 because fans complained about Liu Kang not killing.

[@ABHyt]

@@thetruej7872 I mean aside from his fatalities, did Liu Kang kill anyone in Mk1-4? I'm not that knowledgeable about those two, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't and then was killed in DA.

[@gonzalotorres5282]

When the Shaolin Monks were slaughtered according to his MKII bio, he tossed that creed out of the window.

[@fuladd]

Why? So he could be as whiny and annoying as Injustice Batman?

[@21eienni]

@@fuladd No, he wouldn't necessarily stop the others from killing Earthrealm's enemies but he personally wouldn't do it. Like what Snake said in the Wasted Plotential on Liu Kang. In the old timeline, he faced Shang Tsung 3 times: MK 1, 2 & 3 and he beat him each time but didn't killed him. Later on, Shang Tsung would end up killing him. Someone who refuses to kill in the world of MK, I personally find it interesting. Especially when that same guy goes back on his "no killing" mentality to kill a threat such as Shao Kahn because his best friend "died". But, I do understand your point.

[@mumblerogre2455]

Kabal really got treated like crap. No one can decide whether he’s good or bad and it’s making me mad because he’s my favorite

[@realMysticRuby]

Same here, man. He's so cool and it's a shame to imagine what he could be. Mk11 made him 1-dimensional, which was frustrating.

[@mdrstudios7067]

And his MK 11 ending. Bleeaach

[@causticenforcer8792]

Mk9 kabal had so much potential But they just threw that potential away in mk11

[@dimensionduelist4149]

Also can we talk about how he got the speed if he was still in the black dragons despite he got the speed after he got burned by Kentaro.

[@dimensionduelist4149]

Well I think in MK 3 He joined the heroes because the black dragons scared him and gave him the mask, so he joined the heroes for that. This is a theory but maybe the years between his appearance he must have became their leader because he recroots Kira and kobra in their ending. And Kano wasn't wasn't seen when the black dragons were near so maybe Kabal became the leader during the 3d era( this is my guess)

[@slendertentacle]

If MK X was a sequel to Armageddon, then it would make more sense that Cassie was able to defeat Shinnok. Her father received a power boost from Taven, and this strength could be inherited by Cassie, while the real Shinnok remained at the same power level as MK4 (since he sent a clone to the Battle of Armageddon and didn't get a power boost). Better than power of love bs.

[@dimensionduelist4149]

Yeah plus I wanted to see Taven and dark Raiden meet again to show how this one could go but when I realized it ( a little while later) I was like fuck we could have had Dark Raiden and Taven with the SF facing the ravanants, to see who would gain blazes power and noob coming back and fighting but no we get this middle finger to the end credit scene

[@ShiftyGuy777]

What a great couple. Johnny pushing Sonya on the pyramid.

[@dimensionduelist4149]

@@ShiftyGuy777 Yeah I'm sure they patched it up

[@slendertentacle]

@@ShiftyGuy777 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At least he didn't beat the shit out of her, like in MK9.

[@grimes558]

If MKX were a sequel to Armageddon wouldn't Cassie (luckily) not exist?

[@josephpolizzi_5759]

*MrGSTAR321 is the guy you were mentioning. He’s a legendary Mortal kombat youtuber who has disappeared off KZbin for a while now. He had a hatred for many 3-D era characters mainly bo ri Cho

[@vprebz9254]

Yes

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

Mrgstasr321 now that is a name I haven`t heard in a long time

[@sketchstevens5859]

Wish he came back. Love his stuff

[@WeedShaggy]

We all know MRGSTAR321 would put Bo Rai Cho at the lowest tier.

[@SureshotBowmen]

He would have a tier just for bo rai cho below kronika tier

[@AndrewCARNBORN]

Imo, someone who has great potential is Takeda. He is a telepath with metal whips who is the son of Kenshi and trained by Scorpion...HOW is that not a "Chosen One"?

[@damienmcneff7715]

Because he’s not Liu Kang/ Cassie. Sad...

[@denzellizasuain563]

Hes also married Jax's daughter Mofo got everything basically

[@denzellizasuain563]

@Dylan Sharp my phone autocorrected me.

[@bandana.7077]

Spoiler: He's gonna return in KP3 for MK11 and he's gonna have a very BIG role in the Aftermath 2.0 story mode

[@AndrewCARNBORN]

@@bandana.7077 If you're talking about the leak I think you are Then we're in trouble cuz it sucked 💀 If it's another different one, then Idk

[@JM-jp1ko]

This is kind of what I wanted the story of MK11 to be, where the two timelines, old and new, would merge. Could've been interesting to see the concept explored.

[@peperino2167]

That's what i tought they were gonna do when i saw the trailer, the outfits were too similars from the og timeline and that's why i tought that.

[@lack_o_black]

No, hell no its gonna be like the mk11 story time travel crap and we already had enough

[@atomnum9]

Probably an overused joke, but you could’ve called the “absolutely wasted” tier “such wasted potential”

[@thomasraines1396]

Overused? This is most likely me not being knowledgeable on stuff but I’ve never heard it.

[@nabilahmed579]

The only overused joke I hear is the raiden joke

[@nabilahmed579]

@Dylan Sharp Yh

[@S1L3NTBUTCH3R]

@@nabilahmed579 overused but never gets old to me

[@Sre171]

The new role of Kano is being hot I don't need much else

[@MrWilson812]

I really think Ashrah should come back. She has more potential than most characters in the series. The idea of being a demon trying to better herself is something that shows up very rarely. There's so much NRS can do with her.

[@joseph2000117]

Harbin Homotel lol. But fr Ashram in any other franchise would be insanely popular

[@bandana.7077]

And Sareena too

[@deepyk5584]

Yes I love her she and Havin were my fav new characters in Deception I would love for her to come back, she’s got so much potential her story is good, design is cool and move set was interesting.

[@Kruzeda]

Hi I'm from the future who ended up watching this video years later cus of the algorithm, you got your wish

[@paddypowerhughes]

I feel the reason why NRS seem so weak in the story department Is just because they probably put all their effort into the ladder endings and intro dialogues oppose to the story

[@raimyonlinewarrior236]

I wouldn’t say that. More like the writers just mostly looked at 2011 instead of the original timeline.

[@Timquan.]

There is no real excuse. There is legit fanfiction that shows a deeper understanding of the characters and how they can work

[@Nestor2099]

IMO the ladder endings are worse than the story, as they somehow can create scenarios where everything is perfect for the character and there' no possible development. I loved the endings in MKDA/MKD as they somehow presented brief ideas of what the future could be, like Onaga in Raiden's ending or the fate of Sub-Zero and Kenshi versus Hotaru.

[@Nestor2099]

@Dylan Sharp yeah, I think those endings were bittersweet at best, like Liu Kang going back with his friends in Ermac's ending in Deception or Kung Lao finding peace after defeating Shang Tsung in MKDA.

[@youngboomerragevictim8857]

Bc it's dumb code red mountain dew and fire hot Cheetos franchise

[@realrealwarpet]

Personally, I think kira has untapped potential. She's a woman, who sells weapons, in a country that doesn't like women. Its pretty easy to forget she's a middle eastern character. Maybe give her a full blown redesign, and have her take on a more Arabic appearance.

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

Yeah, they didn't really do anything with the idea that joining the black dragon was essentially her ticket out of of there - and use the implied idea that the reason she's skimpily clad is because it's the first time she didn't have to hide her face or be ashamed of being feminine. But alas, the next game after her debut was armageddon soooo... lol

[@Goldman200]

@@adekaiwamisou Explain why Capcom can make a fun character like Rashid without making him offensive and NRS can't

[@starropenisthe4th786]

Omg wait she’s arab omg same yes I love this idea!

[@bandana.7077]

Wait what??? Isn't Kira Russian???

[@bandana.7077]

however, Kano in Mortal Kombat 11 currently has Kira's entire moveset from the previous MK games that she was in so I'm guessing she's not gonna come back to the current MK timeline anytime soon

[@gillybeannn961]

The whole jerrod being a part of ermac would honestly be very interesting because ermac would subconsciously be very uncomfortable around kitana and not understand why. Even when she was loyal to shao Kahn, his confusion around her could of made him hostile towards her and later on, when the thousands of souls fight for control over ermac that's when jerrod awakens and takes control, finally understanding everything. Maybe for a brief moment jerrod would've completey overshadow ermacs conscious and spoke to kitana for the first time, apologize to her for everything and that he loves her and is proud of her, and then fading back in the thousands of souls. Seems dramatic but that's how I would imagine their reunion to be.

[@bandana.7077]

THIS!!!! Oh my god, NRS has so many good potential storylines and they just don't wanna utilize it!!!

[@gillybeannn961]

@@bandana.7077 yeah, I feel that the world building in mortal kombat and the hundreds of characters would be too much to fit into a story mode for a fighting game. It would have to be novels or something, and so many characters to give development too, I mean thinking about it feels overwhelming. Oh and btw, I have a theory that if the original old games sindel had known of mileenas existence (idk if she did or not) then sindel would've been absolutely disgusted of her. She can never accept that thing as her daughter and her hatred for shao Kahn grows even stronger. Even if kitana may or may not ever accepted her, sindel would never, at all.

[@lobaandrade7172]

Oh boy I have some news for you

[@koolaidboi0079]

What the mk devs do to smoke "I wouldn't call it freewill, more like l under new management."

[@thomasraines1396]

They did to Johnny in the newer games what they did to Kenny in South Park: they took two comic relief/one note characters and made them actually complex (Kenny’s relationship with his sister Karen and his curse of retroactive immortality).

[@wingedhussar8552]

Geras: I never stay dead! Literally every other character: That’s not special

[@chadpeterson5698]

Me personally new Shang Tsung should have been top tier since all the new timeline did was add to his character. He never changed from his original timeline counterpart he's still like he always was, a master manipulator, a pure evil scumbag, and a foe you shouldn't judge on appearance. And the things NRS did change with Shang Tsung they did for the better since he's shown to be an opportunist, a great emotional manipulator and actor in general ( the guy gives Johnny Cage a run for his money [ this is a joke]), and he isn't 100% written off as a random bad guy to be put down or made fun of he actually gets some wins under his belt. And another thing. The voice acting was ON POINT with Shang Tsung even when his actor changed he still always sounded like he was up to something. Now if only this treatment was given to some of the other characters as well like new Shao Kahn, and Twindel.

[@julianparsons3027]

They should never have killed him off though. Not even for the shortest time. Although... it does make for some hilarious poetic justice later. MK9 Shao Kahn: SK kills ST. Shang Tsung: "...ugh... but _why_ ...?" Shao Kahn: *laughs in evil imbecile* MK11 Shang Tsung: Plays SK AND Sindel like acoustic guitars. Stabs them both in the back and steals their souls. MK11 Shao Kahn and Sindel: "...but WHY...?" Shang Tsung: *smiles in confident vindication* Fire god Lui Kang: "I stole a page from your book." ST: *quietly laughs in evil vindication* ST: Kills Lui Kang and steals his soul. Becomes supreme god-emperor of the cosmos. ...laughs in evil vindication.

[@sausage9324]

10:16 MrGSTAR321 is his name and his rants about Bo Rai Cho are very entertaining. I think Bo Rai Cho gave him a visit because he hasn’t uploaded in 2 year’s. His other content is entertaining too.

[@blehitgamer]

MRGSTAR is amazing haha why would the devs dislike him

[@Hillthugsta]

My issue with Bo is that the games over emphasize the joke half of his character and not nearly enough of his serious half to balance him out. He was basically a poorly written Uncle Iroh.

[@blehitgamer]

@@Hillthugsta You could say that he was ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE haha

[@gideonwhite7476]

bo rai cho kidnapped gstar

[@danielsmith9548]

Mrgstar321 is fucking hilarious just listening to an aussie swearing

[@Killakj101]

"Goro is not a villain, just morarlly obligated" This gives off some "Just because you are bad guy does not mean you are bad guy" energy, am I the only one

[@windwind3170]

I've always seen Cassie as more of a Daddy's girl rather than inspired by her mother. Johnny at least always supports her. Johnny fucking Cage is a better parent than any other MK character... imagine that.

[@rocklettf2die664]

Looking at rain's ending, it made me kind of wish he had a role in the mk11 story mode. with him joining Kronika wanting a chance to kill Taven and Daegon, and scorpion trying to prevent him from doing so because he doesn't want see someone else go down the revenge path.

[@myworld4576]

Jade & Kotal don't really bother me no more cause I always like to see Jade in doing other things besides being Kitana's shadow like the original timeline Jade and Tanya have a rivalry which we should have seen in this timeline but I do agree Jade should have fell in love with Kotal instead of loving Kotal out of nowhere she change Kotal at least wonder why NRS hate Kotal he gets treated bad in the games I feel he's a Wasted Plotential a little bit.

[@feuryie]

i kind of wonder if they shit on khotal now cuz they got caught basically just stealing the ogre design from tekken? back when they made cyrax and sektor in mk3 people didn't really call them out on the cyber nin looking like predator. but with khotal everyone bashed them for khotal being a ogre knock off, so maybe they just said "yeah, you're right. he's shit" and started beating him up as a result?

[@milesandrews6711]

She just shouldn't have gotten with Kotal I mean seriously what does she see in that dude He's a jobber and a massive damsel in distress despite having a sword the size of some characters

[@feuryie]

@@milesandrews6711 true. at least if we saw a development of the relationship between jade and khotal? instead they just have her madly in love with some background history that never existed before now? it's very crappy.

[@milesandrews6711]

@@feuryie it's really shoehorned, and apparently kotal was in shangs flesh pits and kitana didn't think to save him to help them against Shao in 9 And apparently he was one of shaos generals but he never participated in mortal kombat

[@feuryie]

@@milesandrews6711 yeah.. i really hate retconning new characters into old events but if they do it at least make it.. believable? like kenshi was supposed to be in mk1 but he got locked in that cave by shang tsung. okay, that can make some sense. but things like khotal being a big tier fighter and not called into kombat or devorah having interfered with prisoner capture and not be seen again is too much to stomach as believable.

[@jbigs65]

Steve Blum Sub Zero is handled very well IMO. He beat up the kombat kids, resolved the feud with scorpion, and was able to stop the cyber lin kuei twice.

[@yassinedraoui1667]

I have no idea why he did prefer sindel over sub zero

[@retaliaterguitar2]

Best thing about the new time line for me is that Subzero and Scorpion finally became homies

[@susanstorm7910]

The way you explained Kronika / D’vorah / Twindel had me in tears omg yaaaaas

[@anagoljovic4657]

The strongest character is kk in a wheelchair

[@lapplandkun9273]

lol obviously

[@vaclaw1177]

I’m sad that Sonichaxd and the4thsnake haven’t crossed over yet and shit talk Mk11

[@nabilahmed579]

Kk in a wheelchair is the one and only true emporer

[@caesar1700]

I'd say MKX Erron Black had some potential. He was to be a MK3 Kabal like figure in that there was a lot of mystery surrounding his origin and he was kind of a wayward merc except instead of being on the good side in that game like Kabal was in MK3, he was perfectly neutral as a kharacter (it all depends on who he's working for). I think NRS did see the parallels and that was maybe why they incorporated the Black Dragon into his background for MK11 but they never went anywhere with it.

[@pippi_playstation]

Which is weird because in so.e intros, and the MKX comic the Black Dragon rejected him,so he despises them, and later in the comic i believe he saved Cassie and Jacquie from the Red Dragon. Then there was the ending that showed the he's over 150 years old because he made a deal with Shang Tsung. But nah, MK11 mucked up a real interesting Kharacter to make him just a goon, and not a good nod to Roland Deschain.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@pippi_playstation I wonder what could’ve been done with him tho. Anything u can do for him could maybe pretty much be the same for Kano

[@pippi_playstation]

@@nabilahmed579 you could make him into a Kharacter who does bad stuff for a good cause, and a price, reveal more and more about him every entry instead of possibly killing him next game, the man and his past is a mystery that doesn't really need a big grand story, just a good one that fits his Kharacter. Make him sorta an Anti-Hero probably.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@pippi_playstation true but in saying that people are still going to say shit about him bcoz he don’t play no major role kinda like fujin in the old timeline. I can see ur idea defo working. I’m just wondering if u can make him have a prominent role in a mk story

[@pippi_playstation]

@@nabilahmed579 I mean the best you can do which could tick a few people off( including me) is to make him related to either Sonya or Johnny as an ancestor, which would be dumb, not every Kharacter has to have a big important story in the world,or related to a bigger name Kharacter (The Kombat Kids). If you want to make an interesting character, don't make them rely on other characters too much.

[@mr.checkyourself4672]

I feel Johnny Cage and Mileena was handled well in the new timeline.

[@MazeDaGr8]

Most Definitely

[@MazeDaGr8]

@UCKUc6cB8j0FhxUUSIgZ1E7w Yeah those guys prove that NRS are capable of doing right when it comes to characters, There just very picky and choosy who they do so with

[@omarslayz]

meh mileena was perfectly fine but a lot could’ve been done with her kahnum and civil war story

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

Mileena done well? What? Maybe I'm biased here, but to me, Mileena has so much potential it's pathetic what they've done this time. She doesn't do anything in MK9 and then dies a pathetic death in MKX not really accomplishing anything.

[@lapplandkun9273]

mileena was? She just becomes a puppet for shao khan and twindel to use. She doesn't change sides or question shao kahn's loyalty. Her intro dialogues suggests she remained the same and they haven't done anything to her

[@OlinCaprison]

Kai could’ve been so cool. I miss the risks gfighting games used to take back in the day with who is included and who is replaced

[@FOREEAL]

I really be forgetting Kollector exists Which is weird bc I used to main him last year lol

[@Mr.JayJayGaming24]

The Fighter's Den reference was hilarious. 😂😂😂 Great tier list btw.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

I got a kick out of that too. I will watch that channel then see a movie or something and notice the jobbers and talent enhancers.

[@Mr.JayJayGaming24]

@@MonkeyKingsformerroomate That's too funny 🤣🤣🤣. For me though I just try and repeat in his accent what I think he would say in certain situations between fictional characters I come across.

[@Sweetestsadist]

Jax joining with Kronika fits with his character? I don't remember Jax being an idiot prior to that.

[@lapplandkun9273]

it doesn't. When he sees the revanants, he also doesn't question why they are working with kronika and alongside him considering he fought for earthrealm and they fought for shinnok. It's bad storytelling all the way through. Terrible betrayal arc coupled with terrible redemption. It doesn't make sense. And as far as my knowledge goes, there is also no mk11 comic that helps fill in the plotholes. So its even worse

[@lapplandkun9273]

@Dylan Sharp and a logical one? Why would jax choose to betray his own friends, his realm, and his daughter, all for the sake of keeping a single person safe with the knowledge that his daughter chose the life of being in the military?

[@lilshokan]

I would say kronika had played on his grief and fears. And if the dialogue he had with raiden is anything to go by. She didnt says she was shinnoks mother. Probably to keep him on her side as he probably would have turned on her if he learned that she is his mother. Dont mention shinnok or quan chi and boom

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@lilshokan so he wouldn't question working with the revanants considering they had worked for shinnok?

[@lilshokan]

@@lapplandkun9273 did kitana question working with shao khan? Also hes aware that the revenants are capable of thinking for themselves. If anything he probably sees it as they wanted out of that fate

[@Jahlil.W]

You could replace the Kollector and give his role to Reptile, Jarek, Hsu Hao, Meat, or Kobra, and you would literally lose or gain NOTHING in the process.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Practically almost every character in the NRS timeline is extremely stupid. The only exceptions are Stryker, Kabal, Johnny Cage, and Takeda

[@mumblerogre2455]

Stryker is so underused. He’s actually a cool badass in this timeline, same way with Kabal

[@seaneemc]

Stryker and Kabal? I mean maybe Stryker but definitely not Kabal lmao his retcon was just dumb

[@caesar1700]

MK11 fucked up so much that we ought to make the distinction of pre and post MK11 when we're talking about new timeline kharacters. I'm with you on this for pre MK11 Kabal but definitely not whatever krap we got in MK11.

[@TheDigitalApple]

@@seaneemc By Kabal i mean MK9 Kabal, him being retconned in MK11 to be a crooked cop is more proof Dominic and Sean should never write anything ever again!

[@chadpeterson5698]

Shang Tsung: excuse me

[@ShadowSearcher31]

Tremor’s liked because of his intro dialogues with Kano and Bo Rai Cho in MKX where it’s implied he turned against the Black Dragon and was trying to get used to a good heart, whereas in the comics he’s just treated like the same goon he was in Special Forces

[@nerdscore6756]

Scorpion, Johnny Cage, Stryker, Mileena, Fujin and Kenshi I'll say was done nice in this new timeline Jax was done good to I like that he became a wreck after his wife died that's some good development for his character.

[@mdrstudios7067]

Til his ending ruined it.

[@lapplandkun9273]

Umm... you're forgetting that jax basically chose to betray his own realm and his friends after joining with kronika. He also doesn't question why is he working with the revenants after everything they done. He also nearly let his own daughter be killed by cetrion. Which goes ENTIRELY against why he was working with kronika: his whole purpose was to protect jacqui.

[@bigmanliam]

Jax needed more screen time tbh and I wish we saw Jax with Johnny Cage more since I feel ike they would be buds

[@autistic-dan455]

It's funny that you say Jacque could be the techie character because if I recall correctly, it seemed to be heavily implied that original timeline Jax was also a techie. I'm assuming this because in MK4's Cyrax ending, it looked like Jax was the guy at the computer working on breaking his programming and from what it sounded like in his MK3 bio, Jax enhanced his arms himself. If that's what the devs intended, then that's pretty badass. I'll also add here for anyone that doesn't know. The MK11 arcade endings for Mileena, Rain and Rambo are now up on KZbin. Be careful if you don't wish to be spoiled. I don't understand how they can show up before the DLC is released but whatever... *shrug*

[@McLaineAC]

I REALLY love johnny cage handled character....from hyper confident famous quirk to a responsible father

[@renny2049]

I love the 4th snake, the fact that this man is brutally honest is kinda funny and i respect that he doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to expressing his opinions.

[@SirLightsOut99]

I absolutely adore MK9. It's one of my favorite fighting games. The story went out of its way to do some ridiculous stuff, and I'm sure it took a whole lot of bravery to kill off half the cast again. Especially since it was a reboot with unexplored new iterations of well known classic characters. That being said, killing that many people off kind of backed the writers into a corner. It doesn't help that MKX and MK11 both had completely different writers from 9. Now of course this does not excuse the plot inconsistencies in X and even more importantly 11. Neither does it excuse the characters being so dull in 11. It only makes me wonder what would've been done had there been a few more living characters at the end of 9 who could contrast with the revenants.

[@Superkidra]

MrGSTAR321 namedrop on this channel gives me life

[@pious83]

Drahmin (and to a lesser extent, Moloch) I'd say were absolutely wasted. Mostly because the Oni were a really interesting new race for the Netherrealm. One that NRS completely ignored in the new timeline, replaced by _generic Warcraft monster._

[@bandana.7077]

Moloch being decapitated by Revenant Kitana was kinda interesting, I can't lie.

[@normanhendroff9462]

NRS better put respect on my boy Sub Zero. Im tired of him being “the other ninja” next to scorpion who gets all the character development in the world.

[@bigmanliam]

Fr. I wish he had more personality but he is just always serious

[@solidskullz5736]

Wow a mrgstar321 reference, its been years since hes been around, I miss him

[@kassimasinia3314]

The4thSnake, they never stated that Bo’ Rai Cho died in MKX. He was tortured by Shinnok though. Shinnok states he would shortly die, but his fate was left ambiguous.

[@SozaLKS]

What's the deal with saying "Gatekeeper" like FightersDen? HAHAHAHA

[@Wright805]

I think he's poking fun (in a friendly way) at FightersDen.

[@Dinker27]

@Dylan Sharp I think gatekeeper in terms of "skill", not so much in a fandom "you shall not consume content" way. Sort of like...a minotaur barring the entrance to the A and S-tiers.

[@milesandrews6711]

@@Wright805 I think he's just paying omage to den, I mean everyone laughs at those terms when he uses them I especially love his rant about how the anbus are nothing but faceless jobbers

[@milesandrews6711]

@Dylan Sharp Naruto

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

I like Erron Black a lot, but I don't disagree he wasn't used well. However he had one of the best Arcade endings in the last game and it said a lot about his character. He seems like a very neutral character so it'd be interesting to see something new with him. He'd be far better off as a lone wolf type then a henchman.

[@causticenforcer8792]

New timeline Kano should be perfectly serviceable he’s a jobber/rival with a fun asshole personality With a game that has literal gods as playable characters I feel that Kano always losing isn’t a downside rather it’s kind of an expected thing

[@Superluigi881]

I like new Kano more then old Kano even if he is a bigger jobber. Really it's generic mook vs generic mook with a kinda fun personality.

[@RC99_Productions]

Shots fired at MrGSTAR321 for the Bo Rai Cho stuff. I agree. I just don't like his unneeded snark when it comes to Bo Rai Cho.

[@petertracycarroll]

In my opinion Rain should have been this character who wanted a free Edenia no matter the consequences with Tanya it’s clear she wanted it for selfish reasons but with rain it’s selfless maybe he’s trying to earn his fathers love by doing this but whatever the reason he’ll do whatever to free Edenia no matter who gets harmed

[@cgk1276]

Jax doesn’t even feel like the same character between X and 11. I could never get over the fact that he would help Kronika, even temporarily. He just seems so washed up and pathetic.

[@zoeythickness7478]

for the bottom teir I think he forgot to add quan chi to the title.

[@kelldragon9528]

IMO, Kitana got absolutely fucked over by MK11. She is tortured/hurt in several tower endings(Twindel's, Baraka's IIRC, Skarlet's, and Mileena's) and isn't even happy in her own tower ending. She gets shat on in story mode. IDK why NRS hates her, but it's gross. Also, the only thing I'd change about Mileena's arcade ending is having her forcing Kitana in her New Era to love her, like she did with Raiden, Liu Kang and Jade.

[@nabilahmed579]

I feel like NRS really hate the edenian female characters in general

[@dylansharp8471]

Shat on? "and isn't even happy in her own tower ending" Well she does turn that around to make Outworld better.

[@TheBoarGod]

hearing MrGstar's name again brings back good memories when i was younger

[@saidi7975]

Actually MK X Shinnok was doing perfectly fine until the script fell on him in the end. At least the Mk4 comic did him justice even if the finale is basically perfect Cell's death.

[@chocolateice24]

I like the new timeline Smoke were he had a origin explained on how he got his powers and I like the old Scorpion timeline cause he was more badass

[@ApeScreaming]

I remember I loved original timeline Shao Kahn and when I saw MK 2011 I was so excited and I wondered why he was so dumb saw the ending got upset played mk 10 got interested in kotal Kahn then played mk 11 and pretty much both Kahn’s are now WIFE or GREEN WAMAN

[@Haaaaardl]

You forgot about Motaro in Mk 9 "Hey theres a cool beast-and raiden killed him."

[@Eric6761]

I think he had potential but was fine as It was

[@Nov-5062]

He was on screen for less than 30 seconds

[@Sindel1011]

BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED TIERING I KNEW HE'D PUT TWINDEL ON THE KRONIKA AND DVORAH TIER!!! 😂🤣🤣🤣 I love how Sindel's old and new timelines are on the complete opposites of the spectrum 😂 So true

[@gamingwithphil227]

I will say I respect your placement and explanation of Johnny Cage on your tier list here.

[@crystalhydra4779]

My Poor boy Reptile is constently being done dirty by both Midway and NRS

[@outlawkaz6715]

I only disagree with New Kano. He should of been put in wasted cuz his character personality is all there but like you said they just don't ever do anything with him and he always loses. (He is my favorite character so I'm bias)

[@roynabroth2328]

This made me realise I like Johnny Cage the most as a character.

[@MasterMike_]

Good

[@bigmanliam]

He carries every scene in 11. They got better and better at writing him imo. "Where is Mama Bear" 😂

[@AustinFoss00]

My ideal Sub Zero storyline is him and human Smoke teaming up to kick ass. That's it. Simple

[@Molopolo300]

Need an updated tier list with the new-new timeline added 👀

[@edu.8552]

I always forget about MK9 being in the second timeline arc, because it was so better that MKX/MK11 story wise it almost feels like they're from the original timeline.

[@pinkstinger]

I laughed when you said the in the current timeline Bo' Rai Cho is wasted :v

[@thomasraines1396]

Sort of an unintended pun.

[@jairusjackson7799]

Johnny has been my favorite character since the start and honestly he's a lot of the reason I keep coming back to buy these games.

[@MasterMike_]

Truth

[@TheSwordsman100]

New timeline Sub-Zero is far worse than the original. Old Sub-Zero was a loyal friend and hero, who never gave up on his best friend and brother and succeeded with saving Smoke in Armageddon. While new Sub-Zero gave up on both and his only claim to fame is a forming a alliance with Scorpion.

[@mellowminty]

they did my boy ermac so dirty

[@Gadreth]

Let's see if I can guess some Ermac and Reptile: absolutely better in old timeline Baraka: better in the new one

[@chadpeterson5698]

You were right about Baraka not so much with all the others you mentioned

[@cesarflamenco9484]

@Ice Yeah, sucks that Reptile and Ermac were reduced to grunts who only showed up to get their asses kicked for the story to have more fights.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@chadpeterson5698 so the entire thing were ermac and liu save the brainwashed warriors wasn’t nester than being a goon

[@wintersoldier164]

i hope you read this the4snake, but i wanted to thank you for teaching me the deeper lore beyoned the netherrealm era of mk

[@mr.awesome6011]

I miss MrGSTAR321

[@michaelajayi1587]

Whatever happened to him?

[@TheStairsHaveLadders]

Armageddon Baraka was a champion, he fought Kung Lao, Shinnok's doppelganger, survived being ragdolled by Shao Kahn and then came back to kill Sub Zero like A GOD DAMN CHAMPION. I feel that his track record besides that doesn't really give him justice because of how powerful he sounds on paper, I mean he is the only character that can actually survive being cut in half without magical assistance as far as I know.

[@lucashagen4240]

The only part that had me like “wait, hold up!” was when new timeline Tonya was casually thrown on ‘has great potential’. She offers next to nothing to the new timeline story. Even Kenshi has more impact on the story, and I agree he is boring as hell. Just kinda seemed like stuff was getting thrown wherever towards the end

[@doggosho3044]

Female Khameleon and reptile almost.....you know in the og timeline, they had the chance to revive the race. Mabye bring in more of the race with diffrent powers, but reptile had to be a dumbass at that point

[@pious83]

That is where there is the real potential between Reptile and both Khameleons. Since they only ever seem to become aware of each others' existence in their arcade endings.

[@Theplum93]

Yeah I never got why if kronika needed raiden and liu kang to fight, why would she have erased dark raiden? Wouldn't he have been more likely to fight liu than light raiden?

[@alainnsenga819]

Drahmin should've been "Absolutely Wasted". I mean, with an actual backstory, if explored deeply in the concept arts of Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance revealing his history as a once ruthless warlord of Outworld but was then banished into the Netherrealm as punishment undergoing brutal experiences during his time there and then later revealing his final makeup and all. With all of that to back it up, Netherrealm Studios should've been a lot wise enough to utilize him further and make him a relevant character in the series.

[@ShiftyGuy777]

Too bad they killed him off for no reason

[@zacharywidmoyer8867]

As for the Kombat Kids as TMNT, I’d say Takeda resembles Leonardo more, and Cassie resembles Michelangelo. Jin is definitely Raphael and Jacqui is Donatello.

[@picklerick2.05]

Kabal is a weird one, since in MK9 is a very good change... And the MK11 is the complete opposite.

[@TheAuthorStudios]

As I said before, Kronica can't be considered a bad character, because she's not a character in the first place, she's just a plot device.

[@TheAuthorStudios]

@Dylan Sharp Yes, and it's the correct one.

[@Jay-Voorhees]

@Dylan Sharp for this or in general?

[@rosestar1324]

I love reading about all the kk in a wheelchair comments because I know we watch the same youtubers

[@CapnGinyu]

The only one I don't agree with is Sheeva, I think her new version was handled fine.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

I think there should be a collab with Fighters Den in the future.

[@TheMajinGames]

I can't believe on the new scorpion place.... I really hated how they made him a good guy, like, it's not who he is. He's not even human anymore and they made him human... For real I think he is in his best form as agent of chaos (kinda), or some anti-hero thing doing only what he wants and will benefit him

[@MusicoftheDamned]

It's weird for me to say this given I don't really care for the character myself, but it seems rather unfair for D'vorah to be in the same tier as Kronika when D'vorah *actually accomplishes things.* Ironically D'vorah's somewhat obvious status as a creator's pet means that she's the only villain in the new timeline who gets to actually succeed in anything long term outside of arguably Quan Chi and/or Shang Tsung. I can understand people disliking her, especially after she killed a bunch of people's apparently favorite DILF, but personally the lowest I think you could fairly put her is "Boring" tier since she has doesn't really have a goal or character beyond "survive". D'vorah is somehow still a better character than all of the new _ MK11_ characters save for maybe Cetrion and the new timeline versions of Frost, Kano, Shao Khan, Twindel, and maybe a couple of other villains. At the very least, Kronika basically deserves her own bottom tier since as much as D'vorah is favored by NRS, she's still not a literal deus ex machina who was overhyped to hell and back yet amounted to absolutely nothing. (EDIT: I am more fine with Twindel being in the same tier as Kronika though just because of how egregiously stupid that choice was and how much it forces to be retconned even in the new timeline.)

[@sarahoutplayed12]

THANK YOU! finally someone said it. People literally only dislike d'vorah for stupid reasons and saying her retcon makes the story worse is kind of stupid because it legit doesn't add anything to the story🤷. I agree with the 4th snake on a lot of things in this video but automatically ranking her low to get brownie points with his fans is pretty weird to me.

[@LordRichard5451]

I agree with this... Hell I really don't think Kronika belongs in the bottom tier.. She is one of the most powerful characters in Mortal Kombat and even tho she was defeated, she STILL managed to reset history back to the beginning of time as well as the beginning of each realm again.. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need to restart history with the hourglass and the crown.. A lot of the picks I could agree with.. But I disagree with a handful of the tiers he put the characters in, especially Kano.

[@nabilahmed579]

@@LordRichard5451 that I have a question for. Kronika managed to achieve her goal in the end of mk11 as she basically had the crown and erased history and every event before mk11 leaving raiden, liu, Shang, fujin and grey cloud at the beginning of time. So how is it they are allowed to go back to the past when everything is literally erased?

[@bdo333]

24:35 shout out to fightersden 😂

[@xcrysizz8781]

I used to hate jonny cage before mkx, then it became one of my favorite characters

[@_nRool]

Honestly, I know folks want the 3D era to get more love, and I'm with them in that regard, but out of everyone, I'd love to see Hotaru, Havik, Dairou and Ashrah come back, there's a ton of potential for them to really get fleshed out, and Ashrah in particular could actually make an interesting Protagonist given her role in Deception as a demon hunter.

[@MasterMike_]

Johnny is the best MK character hands down🗿

[@spiderverse616]

I had a idea for a erron black story keep his mkx backstory with him being immortal, have him be a bounty hunter and he'll go out hunting d'vorah and her race and kill them all

[@Crazeedaunte]

I agree about what you said about Jacqui making her the techie type would be perfect ansy give her better character

[@michaelfireheart8300]

I'm gonna be honest, Ultimate edition isn't worth the money, I'll wait until the edition is in the bargain bin by next year, maybe even months, since MK 11 does not have longevity due to the many issues in the game.

[@idcblue1527]

The game doesn't have big issues at all, sure a bit boring but that's it, ultimate was the best update since the games launch, also 15 dollars for 3 characters is a amazing deal, also also mk11 isn't gonna die anytime soon kp3 got leaked a while ago, stop the bitching and go somewhere else