Missing Believed Wiped 2020 - TV Museum presentation

[@johnking5174]

In the US, wiping of TV programs also happened too, but not on the same level as Britain. Here in the states, most popular TV programs were sold internationally, so there were always copies left. One big catalog missing is the first decade of the Tonight Show starring Johnny Carson on NBC. 1962-1972 shows, only 33 remain in the archive.

[@4oclocktimefortea794]

That was wonderful! The Norman Wisdom bit made me laugh - I had forgotten how funny he is! Well done on your work.

[@cromulence]

Astounding stuff. Great captures.

[@spooked7952]

There used to be several old VHS tapes round next door, where the ma-in-law lives. Not sure what's on them if they are still in the cupboard. The late father-in-law used to have Phillips video recorders and some tapes got shoved in a cupboard, but not sure if they are still there or thrown away. I'll have to have a look.

[@KevinJonDavies]

Well done, Ed. Lots of old toot, but I'm glad it exists.

[@pubwebmaster]

This is a great compilation of clips, well presented. Thank you.

[@keithmartin2334]

EXTRA EXTRA! No mention here that Keith Martin added his voice to some of the Russian Solders in the epic film 'Waterloo' - Also that Keith was voicing the ITV Network Christmas trails which were produced by and at LWT in London. All true because I was there! Sincerely, Keith Martin. Happy Holidays.

[@missqueenieful]

7:58 If Noel Edmonds moved to the left a bit, and moved his knee down it would look like he was driving that little boat.

[@zetametallic]

This is my idea of KZbin heaven, I want to start uploading my VHS stuff in the New Year as I've got boxes full going back to 1983. I have the obligatory cats (×5) and I'm the token female of the species in this genre.

[@topcat1541]

You must

[@d.w.390EzraHawkwind]

Did these ever go on? Thank you.

[@chrisefc3579]

This is superb. Thankyou for this.

[@the_tv_museum]

Please note that there's a typo in the caption for the final Christmas item - the date should 24 December 1976, not 1977. We don't have time to change it before the event, sorry!

[@FiveLiver]

I've still not seen Doctor Dolittle - I wouldn't have been out of bed at that time.

[@squirehaggard4749]

2:52 I can't decide which is more 70s: the bossomy, scantilly clad girl with the feathered hair, or that garden swing. Thanks for all your hard work.

[@siege-79]

Thank you for all the hard work you put in to give us the pleasure of reminiscing 👌🏾

[@RazSux]

Many, many thanks for the hard work & dedication over the past year. Can I wish you & everyone involved a very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

[@the_tv_museum]

Many thanks.

[@martinmcgurk5150]

The Pans People clip was them performing South African Man by Hamilton Bohannon. The date of performance is certainly late February 1975.

[@FARMECROSS]

The girls are dancing to the Fatback Band's Do The Bus Stop from, I believe the 18th December 1975. Unusually this routine was done in front of a rare promo film of the band, at the time.

[@koenkoen9347]

That was a lovely video, nicely put together with some great clips. Wouldn't mind another one next year, and there's no reason to keep it short as far as I'm concerned. :-) Good of you to put this up as a 50p file... that's the way to get interlaced video onto KZbin.

[@the_tv_museum]

Thanks. The reason we don’t generally upload at 50p is that the archiving is priority over the uploading. We archive the files in their correct format, 720x576 50i. Only 2% or so of our content has made it to this channel, and if we had to convert every file to 50p beforehand, we’d never upload anything, we just don’t have the time.

[@koenkoen9347]

@@the_tv_museum Thanks, that makes sense. As long as there are unexplored tapes to go through I agree getting them transferred should be priority. Uploading more and/or in non-native capture format is something that can be done decades from now, as long as you have good files to begin with! As someone who's digitising VHS (all recent, very little of interest to people like you) I know how time consuming this is - and this is VHS, by far the easiest format for playback! I just wouldn't have the nerves for VCR, not to mention the technical skills to keep these machines going. Thanks for all the good work, and keep it up! :-) Oh, and to make this clear - my 50p comment was a thumbs-up for this video, rather than a criticism of any other ones, which I certainly haven't all watched, sadly - it's the kind of thing you tend to postpone when you're trying to make some progress with boxes of tapes you keep tripping over!

[@bobrew461]

@@the_tv_museum 10 times better than the main channels efforts at TV nostalgia; Far too many non-entities involved, who weren't even around when the shows were transmitted.

[@teddytaylor5315]

I love your channel and I love converting old tapes to digital, where do you source your tapes and how do you connect the video machines to your computer? Thank you!

[@ThatMicro43Guy]

I’m rather amazed at how good the quality if for recordings approaching half a century old

[@thegreyman7449]

Nice to see some preservation in progress!

[@davidstewart9665]

I loved these ITV Christmas promotions showing graphics and animation plus session music and I remember Doctor Dolittle being shown but could not remember the year, Good tidings and a better New Year TTM

[@TarenCapel]

Wonderful finds and great efforts to preserve. Bravo.

[@garyhunt8067]

Love all this

[@stepheng8779]

First thing I watched on my Furguson portable black & white TV I got for Xmas was Please Sir 😄 Nice to see Clapperboard again 👍

[@monkeechicken]

that size amazon box also attracts our boxcat

[@DRAINPIPE57]

Tbanks for this clip. Of what is about on peoples VHS collection Ive got loads of grestmstuff on mine going back to 1979

[@the_tv_museum]

Well we'd love to borrow them if that's the case! It's certainly not unheard of. The Parkinson clip came from a 1978 VHS. But obviously with the format having lasted for so long, the tapes were re-used and re-used so looking for pre-1981 VHS is like looking for a needle in a haystack,.

[@ditelirecordsltd701]

Great work sir!

[@colinhill9106]

Some top of the pops on old tape.

[@stearn]

Thanks for that and all the effort.

[@enricosanchez894]

2:21 Yes, that is definitely worthwhile! ;)

[@smallscreenseagulls]

This is wonderful. The sort of stuff crying out for a BBC Four series.

[@mikehudson8884]

Excellent compilation

[@benjaminclasper9355]

4:16 the music here was used during a stripper scene in the adventures of a taxi driver film from 1976.

[@benclasper2883]

Hello the tv museum, I’d be interested to see if you could possibly own or if you know where there are some episodes of the tv show junior showtime from 1969 - 1974 Or if you happen to own or have found ant wiped episodes because I believed most of them have been wiped unfortunately or the tapes lost.

[@ebismusic8813]

Hi I have kept my VHS tapes from July 1980 - 1986 ish. I was a teenager then with an obsession for continuity. I got to have Philip Elsemore introduce a documentary I made about the Tomrrow People. I was more excited meeting him than any film star. I wonder if my tapes might throw up something

[@d.w.390EzraHawkwind]

They sound great. You may even have some missing TV:)

[@ebismusic8813]

@@d.w.390EzraHawkwind I wasn’t sure that too much was missing after 1980 though

[@d.w.390EzraHawkwind]

There DEFINITELY is stuff missing from that time and beyond, so it's well worth checking. Kaleidoscope's 'TV Brain' can certainly assist there.

[@ebismusic8813]

@@d.w.390EzraHawkwind it would be a real labour of love to go through all the tapes. Problem is I’m terrified to put them in my vcr since it has chewed up a tape. Can you advise a safe way or a company in the uk which would have reliable players?

[@d.w.390EzraHawkwind]

If you are based in the UK, this organisation will be able to help and also advise. Even if you are not in the UK, it could still be worth contacting them, as they will have lots of connections. Hope something rare turns up. Good luck. www.tvbrain.info/contact-us. They are connected with this Missing Believed Wiped presentation.

[@AutieTeleDexBaBrBo]

Who knew a pervert would be so useful in being responsible for recording lost tv?

[@colinhill9106]

I have a channel 4 vHS tape of thoughts of chairman Alf,put on dvd but forgot to format it,so did.nt play,hope can find vHS tape,but can't find it at moment

[@IanGreavesTV]

Missing Believed Lust

[@ToTheWind]

Amazing stuff. Painstaking work no doubt, but it occasionally offers rare gems.

[@ScottishTeeVee]

Was it you that asked me to save all the adverts I found on old videotapes? If it was, then I have a DVD for you of ads from early to late 80s, all burned to DVD at XP, Pm me your address if it was you.

[@alangiles4616]

Why was the woman demonstrating wine decanters in her corsets?. To think that show went out at 6.00 on a Saturday evening (in the London region anyway)!

[@colinhill9106]

Prob some old shows on vHS if I can find them

[@Nigel-xp4rf]

I am a bit puzzled by the way you can say that a clip featuring Pan's People who featured on TOTP more than most other shows, can't be pinned down to a exact date, I would have thought that information related to the original broadcast would be linked to any of the artists, bands or chart entries mentioned in the programme, would be documented in the BBC's written archive, which, it's hoped, would have letters or forms about the music, the aragement and suitably for the time the show was going out. Also, wouldn't there be a script for the host(s) or a transcript if it was also on a BBC Radio channel as well, the announcements would have to describe stuff, in a similar vein to how acts were handled on the Eurovision Song contest for example.

[@illarterate]

Will we see more of the Salisbury tapes? Asking for a... uh... friend...

[@RazSux]

LOL!

[@betaman7988]

Actually episodes of Sale of the Century are quite thin on the ground here on KZbin...

[@guild93]

Fantastic!

[@octaviussludberry9016]

Rex Harrison as Dr Dolittle - he could talk with the animals....well he certainly couldn't sing with them.

[@benclasper2883]

Or any footage of Yorkshire television itv continuity with junior showtime.

[@the_tv_museum]

Unfortunately no - material before 1975 is very rare as domestic recordings only really started in 1973 and tape was very expensive so was routinely re-used. We have only about 6 or 7 off-air recordings from 1974 in total.

[@benclasper2883]

@@the_tv_museum thanks.

[@kevinsymonds2123]

Brilliant!

[@ebata3]

Who is the three woman singing group at 5:45?

[@davidstewart9665]

The Three Degrees

[@Loverboy19691]

Excellent.

[@thevoltz]

Fabulous stuff, thanks for sharing this. Were you involoved in restoring/baking the Ayshea tape that was thought to contain David Bowie performing Starman? I dream of this one day surfacing x

[@thebmxband1t]

How do betamax tapes fare? I think ive got some tapes in the loft. betamax and horrible philips vcr types. when we moved to Belgium late 70’s my dad bought 2 ( yes 2!) Phillips vcr units. this was so the grandparents could record british tv and send tapes out to Belgium so we didnt miss the tv shows. i think if we are lucky there just might be a batch of original series Kenny Everett shows? hopefully mum hasnt chucked them all out. that would be a minor tragedy!!! on the betamax there might be random episodes of The Indie Chart Show, Snub TV and that sort of thing. Lordy music on tv in the late 80’s was pretty superb thanks to Janet Street Porter and Channel 4!!!!!

[@the_tv_museum]

Betamax and VHS tapes are generally ok … but then Philips tapes were also ok until the mid 2000s, so who knows? If you find the tapes and want to send them to us for digitizing, get in touch!

[@foxee36]

Who is the bespectacled woman shouting at Norman Wisdom?,and what relation is her to his character to his?

[@tortysoft]

Marvellous ! Are there any jobs going there ?

[@the_tv_museum]

Jobs? You think we get paid for any of this?? If only!!

[@tortysoft]

@@the_tv_museum As I expected :-) I gave Steve Bryant my old kit anyway.

[@bobrew461]

Come by me and sort my tapes out; I've got about 300! :-0

[@the_tv_museum]

@@bobrew461 what format??

[@Tomsonic41]

I would recommend against going and putting your feet up for an hour. You never know when something might go wrong with the playback - such as a huge clod of dirt getting onto the heads and rendering several minutes of the capture unusable! I prefer to keep an eye on the TV monitor while it's capturing (perhaps playing a game on my Switch in handheld mode) so I can intervene if something goes wrong.

[@koenkoen9347]

Well, I do a lot of capturing VHS and I check for that afterwards. I very rarely get clogs, perhaps just once or twice a year. I have more troubles with tracking becoming problematic myself... that's something that seems to have been quite common.

[@the_tv_museum]

Putting your feet up with VHS is safe. Wouldn’t do it with Philips!

[@andrewescalona8447]

PLEASE PUT RARE UK PUBLIC INFORMATION FILMS ( BBC1 RECORDINGS )

[@kaw203]

How are the teletext items recovered?

[@TransmitHim]

There's a good explanation of it on the Teletext Archaeologist website: teletextarchaeologist.org/faq/

[@keithnaylor1981]

It infuriates me to hear about how much tv has been lost or wiped and I love to see long forgotten programmes but looking down your video play list all I see are snippets ranging from a few seconds to a few minutes. To me it hardly seems worth keeping all these bits.

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

Much of this stuff was supposed to be ephemeral. And I can see why!

[@betaman7988]

What software do you use to digitize the tapes?

[@the_tv_museum]

The tapes go through DV or SDI conduits into the PCs, and are captured in either Adobe Premiere, or actually in Windows Movie Maker on one of our PCs.

[@djdrunkenmonkey2]

lets hope you save the TVS drama c a t s eyes with jill gascoine & leslie ash at somepoint !

[@djdrunkenmonkey2]

@GARETH TAYLOR no, only a few BAD vhs recordings of it have been made available on DVD, no official release, all to do with missing paperwork & no one no where original TVS tapes have gone

[@macmoore4599]

I wonder if it was easy to record with one hand? 😅

[@JarrodCook93]

I'm not sure that I'd ever heard of Norman Wisdom before this video. That show looks like it would have been good and it was in color as well. I understand the BBC couldn't keep everything but that's ridiculous that they would wipe a color show in the late 70's with a popular comedian. Very bad judgement on their part.

[@bobrew461]

Wiped with a Kleenex? :-0

[@potbelliedfool]

Imagine that! A heterosexual man wanting to see and record attractive young women on television? It's almost inconceivable. Shocking, I say! His memory must be vilified by nerdy PC sorts. Sometimes, it's almost as if millions of years of evolution have directed men to find young women the most desirable.

[@MRKBDY]

Man, you are a humourless person , aren't you.

[@potbelliedfool]

@@MRKBDY While you appear to be semi-literate.

[@MRKBDY]

@@potbelliedfool Semiliterate doesn't require a hyphen.

[@octaviussludberry9016]

@@potbelliedfool I agree, you're humourless. The comment was said in jest if you listen to the presenter.

[@potbelliedfool]

​@@MRKBDY Both semi-literate and semiliterate are acceptable. So go fuck yourself.

[@oldwebshooter]

What device is used for your VHS captures?