IN THE BOX MASTERING ONE STOP SHOP?? SOFTUBE FLOW

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[@BMugzMusic]

I think this script and setup is dope. Ppl that are broke can spend 15 bucks a month and get some of the best software mastering chains in the game. And I like how easy it is to use universal controls for ballpark and then lock in with each plugin. Only request I had would to be able to sub in some different combinations on the order with the flow. I own all the softube stuff so not paying 15 but I appreciate how ppl can get quality for that.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

To be fair, this is more rent to own than a subscription! Once you own all the plugins you no longer need to pay for the Flow service! So if you only use one flow and happen to own all the plugins, you don't ever need to pay. Or once you own all the plugins used in the collection you can cancel and still keep using the Flow plugin. Hope that made sense! In other words, you don't need to continue the subscription to keep using the Flow plugin. Once you own all the plugins or the plugins in the Flows you want to use, you can cancel and continue to use the Flow plugin at no charge.

[@StudioLife101]

@@matt_nyc_audioengineer yes...but at 30 points per month and 300 for each plugin...that'll take years...😂

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

@@StudioLife101 That depends on how many Softube plugs you already own but yes, if you own none, that is correct. You can however pick the plugins up when they are on sale on the website. You don't have to purchase the plugins you don't own already with credits. I'd rather have this then a full-on subscription any day. At least my money is going somewhere every month! Love the show by the way boys, keep it up!

[@StudioLife101]

@@matt_nyc_audioengineer 👍

[@RayTheProducer]

You guys just keep getting better, and funnier (looking). Love the stories. Softube is da bomb, and I love their Bus Processor and Tape. I don’t ’get’ this, but I have spent a lot of time building my mastering chain, so yeah. But the quality is unimpeachable.

[@StudioLife101]

@@RayTheProducer Cheers Ray 👍

[@scotteepunk]

The Softube Flow is for beginners, but the plugins can be used independently, which means you can build your own mastering chain. and you can build a mastering chain with Softube plugins and plugins by other companies. Have you guys reviewed the STL Tones ControlHub? It's basically the same thing with mixing and mastering chains by well-known engineers, and it has Tracer (captures hardware like a Kemper), but the plugins can't be used independently

[@StudioLife101]

@@scotteepunk Gonna have to try STL Control Hub soon. Heard some weird demos and seen some paid promos. I love a Kemper...so will be interesting.👍

[@georgeolteanu4289]

I love your reviews! I pray to see your take on sonible products one day.

[@StudioLife101]

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[@BMugzMusic]

I really like what’s Softube doing, I got the older console 1 for years ago man sounds great especially SSL 9k and API Now it works with UAD and fab filter can stay away from the touchpad. I hear what your saying about the long payoff to own but a year of mastering with an arsenal plug-ins on this would be same price of 1 good plugin if you bought it.

[@MrBrownAlliance]

Newflangled Audio Mastering Suite fellas? Keep up the great work.

[@StudioLife101]

@@MrBrownAlliance I like a bit of New Fangled...we'll have a look soon. 👍

[@BMugzMusic]

Their EQ Equivate or whatever it’s calls is magic on mix bus

[@edmasters4454]

I like Flow -- and appreciate what you're saying about the subscription creep. - I suppose that's Softube's way of trying to hook folks. Owning many of the included Flow plugins already, I appreciate being able to use Flow with those perpetual plugins, at no additional cost (nor subscription). And not supporting other plugins inside of Flow... there are other mix bus insert slots that can be used. If you don't own the perpetual licenses to the plugins you want in Flow, then it becomes a decision on whether the subscription is worth it. In that situation, I'm more aligned with your perspective. However, as a owner of some/all of Flow's included plugins, I don't think it's "shit."

[@StudioLife101]

@@edmasters4454 In your situation, it's a good option...👍

[@wesleywild-s9x]

I bet this gets cracked straight away out of principle

[@DavChops]

Thumb it in....fucking hell 🤣🤣🤣

[@blessednech]

i used ozone 11 for a while. after trying flow i threw ozone out the window !

[@Swiftopher755]

Its justca plugin wrapper with some macro controls 🤣

[@yigit_kuru]

but plugins are included and you can use them seperately

[@dutnakke]

Not a fan of plugin subscriptions. This seems more underhanded than most - I'll stay far away.

[@georgeolteanu4289]

It's more like a rent to own model. What you pay comes back as credit you can use to purchase the plugins you like.

[@Swiftopher755]

Sorry if u already did it but can you review Soundtheories Kraftur? Same peole who made gullfoss.

[@StudioLife101]

@@Swiftopher755 Will do.👍

[@Swiftopher755]

@StudioLife101 cheers guys!

[@effectsworks2106]

Yep, I thought this was meh when I first got the email... Not that I'm a mastering engineer but as I already own a host of softube plugins so I'd rather just do it myself. Or pay a good mastering engineer to do it for me.

[@wouterdesmedt1736]

Softube's been doing some "creative" things with their business model lately it seems. That being said, I think it's time you embrace the dark side and do a special Story Time with Sean & Dan ( & lager) episode!

[@StudioLife101]

@@wouterdesmedt1736 Not a bad idea....the pub episode.👍

[@wouterdesmedt1736]

@@StudioLife101 KZbin needs some more drunken ramblings!

[@mostwett]

I currently have this only because if you complete one flow you can cancel the subscription and keep using the plug in with only the plugins that you own within that flow. I only need one more plugin to have the weiss set up

[@StudioLife101]

@@mostwett Ahhh....Good tip.👍

[@therearenoruleshere]

I got all the Weiss plugs, can’t wait to try the flow when I get time.

[@mostwett]

@@therearenoruleshere check it out fam ! Weiss is GOLD

[@peterpeper4837]

I hate it when companies try to treat me like a sucker, even if I like their products. Like the waves wup. Well forget about them and move on. Plenty of excellent plugins from decent companies.

[@jaylevzi7293]

So 10 months suscription for 1 plugin. I bet its not as simple as that either knowing Softtube, that DS1-MK3 is never less than 275quid, so I dunno. Seems a lot for what you get.

[@sysxtem]

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[@StudioLife101]

@@sysxtem Couldn't agree more..👍 😂

[@lukasjusys]

😂😂😂🎉

[@Studio22mix]

The Softube plugins are good but I am seeing the company going for an ecosystem for some time. It’s a choice they make but for me a big reason the stay the heck out of it. I don’t want to get stuck in an ecosystem and I would not recommend anyone to use a subscription model.

[@HOBBITSODYSSEY]

Paying $14.99 ...in 10 years you`ll have the full strip paid with credits.....bargain.😄

[@richertz]

I agree it is shit but....... I already own a lot of these plugins and similar. Its well worth a download on the 14 day trial to get a good feel of what is possible. Then cancel. Its stupid that they could do this for free and give other options. I suspect this will flop like UAD spark, then bring the cost of the plugins right down!

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

You think Spark flopped? Sorry to inform you but that's not the case! Yes, it did help bring the price of the plugins down but Spark is not a flop lol.

[@stevenroach2296]

Subscription only. No 3rd party plugin support. It's shit and I'm a huge Softube fan and own all the plugins except for the Weiss stuff.

[@bobbyweezer]

Yeah no

[@SaintMichaelOfficial]

Absolute clownlike behavior from ST. Why in God's name anyone would choose a subscription "sErViCe" over owning their own plugins outright is completely beyond me.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

It's not a subscription. It's rent to own. Once you own all the plugins you can continue to use Flow at no charge. That includes if you only use one or two Flows and own those plugins. If that's the case then Flow is completely free to use. Also, as a professional engineer subscription models make perfect sense however, at that point, the plugins pay for themselves. I have many subs but I also earn my income using those plugins so it makes sense for someone like me. For the average "hobbyist" tho, I agree. Subs make no sense.

[@jimkanter4180]

2 words: cash flow. Look at Plugin Alliance-you pay for a year of "subscription" and then can own between 3 and 10 plugins of your choice (depending on the subscription level.) No brainer.

[@patricioandres2562]

I don't see much of a commercial future for Softube, they are convinced that they are the best in the world and they think they have no competition! SSL has already realized this and opened its channel strip controller so that it can be used with plugins from any manufacturer; however, Softube with its Console 1 remains closed,... Now they want people to pay them to rent a couple of plugins, not even their entire catalog like other brands have done for the same amount of money or less,...