Aerobatics - Barrel Rolls

[@ross817]

Finally a video of an actual barrel roll and not another aileron roll!

[@RequiemsACTL]

That's an odd thing to hear an aileron roll being called a barrel roll as they are quite different!

[@ross817]

Yeah, it gets really annoying. I think that misconception comes from Star Fox, but whenever you search KZbin for "barrel roll" you have to go to like the second page to get videos like yours.

[@Dexuz]

@@RequiemsACTL The confusion appeared because in the videogame Star Fox a character teaches you how to do a "barrel roll" but the maneuver was evidently an aileron roll. Developers messed up.

[@gerardmoran9560]

@@RequiemsACTL I've been fighting a losing battle trying to explain to people that Tex did an aileron roll with the Boeing 367-80 (B-707 prototype). Numerous documents and videos describe his well flown aileron roll as a barrel roll.

[@UMSLdragon]

Been playing DCS for a while now. Always wondered how they could stay on my 6 so much. Your video demonstrations are exactly what I need!

[@RequiemsACTL]

Nice! Hopefully you'll enjoy my DCS videos when they start coming out :-)

[@philippkistler1430]

Great explanation. It took me a bit to get why the barrel roll is called barrel roll. Wikipedia says it's like driving on the inside of an imaginary barrel. This fits nicely with your explanation that you want to finish with the same heading and altitude.

[@old_guard2431]

Excellent again. I must have read a dozen descriptions of the barrel role, but this is the first thing I have seen that makes it comprehensible.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Thanks :-) My goal with these videos is to make them as easy to understand as possible.

[@GunSlingerAUS1]

Awesome - I've been trying to learn how to do a proper barrel roll for years, but never figured it out. Your instructions are perfect, thanks!

[@RequiemsACTL]

GunSlingerAUS1 Thanks Gunslinger. The method is for an aerobatic barrel roll, but it's good practicing to hone your precision flying. Obviously in combat it won't, and shouldn't, need to be so perfect.

[@MistorGator13]

You too?

[@Bebert_vrt]

Just finished your bfm series , thank you so much it is so cool !

[@sl840]

Thank you, I have a dogfight coming up on Sunday in Empyrion and I may need this to avoid heat seeking missiles

[@RequiemsACTL]

You're welcome Steven, good luck!

[@sl840]

Thank you! For an update, we had a limited rack of eight homing missiles and about two hundred rounds of 15mm ammunition, we fought until both of our reserves were expended and thanks to this instruction I was able to evade and protect myself. We ended the dogfight in a draw. The purpose was to test the individual as a pilot in the limitations of the system we were playing in to hire them on with my group. Of course, though only a short time ago, that entire environment has closed down and we've all gone our separate ways. But I figured I might reach out and let everybody know where we were at.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Steven Larson very cool! Thanks for the after action report. Any footage to share?

[@PappyGunn]

I did aerobatics many years ago. Yup, this is how you do a barrel roll. Pick a reference off 45 (or even 30 degrees) pull up and roll around it until inverted then switch back to the original heading reference and complete the roll. Naturally, combat isn't pretty aerobatics, so you vary angle off and altitude as needed. In theory, you should be pulling positive Gs all through, and not a lot of them. In theory, you could do this with a glass of water on the dash and not spill any. Not sure if any idiots actually tried it. Probably.

[@mattkelley7208]

Bob Hoover... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGrTp3qVj7ihecU

[@sercrets9531]

Bob hoover would pour iced tea whilst doing a barrel roll to demonstrate how smooth he could do it

[@rpersen]

Short and to the point, tnx!

[@jg4_skylon848]

And again absolutely clear video and good explanation. Thank you!

[@ChuckOwl]

Great video, Requiem! Informative and to the point, like always. I might nit-pick on one small insignificant thing though: when you add the TACView window like at 2:55, it takes about 1/9th of the screen. I have a 27 inches screen and even in fullscreen mode I'm having a hard time seeing the details in TACview. I would recommend you either enlarge it a bit so it takes a quarter of the screen or that you just present it fullscreen in another shot entirely. The video is not very long so I do not think an extra 20 seconds would be too much for your viewers to watch.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Cheers for that Chuck. I'm glad someone brought that up as I didn't know what to do with that really as I was worried about the time since I do L and R barrel rolls. I'll make it a separate scene in the next ones and we'll see how it looks!

[@luftwaffle3766]

This is requiem.

[@notarokescientist3003]

these vids are going to keep me out of trouble

[@neilwillis2152]

Excellent, thanks for this. I'll be adding a link to your library on the RAF Air website. Very useful.

[@RealPoi]

How to do a Barrel Roll: 1. Press Z & R at the same time.

[@serenade4375]

no its z or r twice

[@RealPoi]

Do this

[@serenade4375]

[@RequiemsACTL]

Starfox is awesome :-)

[@TheKeithvidz]

a manuever i've seen in acm, mostly to force a foe in front.

[@MrEmilicious]

in video games, i'm used to doing it in 4 steps but synchronized fluent steps so I'm not sure if I'm doing right, I pich up to an angle, roll 90' 3 oclock and pitch untill I reach angle degree 0 (horizontal pose) then I roll abit more to flip the aircraft perfectly upside down then I pitch down to the same angle value I started but in negative degree, then roll 90' but in the other side 9 oclock..and then pitch all the way back to zero, this way it manners pretty robotic but it guarantees 100% the final heading is the same..i can also control the size of the s shaped loop whatever the size circle by choosing which angle value , I usually use the barrel roll to jump sideways on the same heading.

[@nume1981]

Great Vid as Usual! Please keep them coming, they are so very helpful when learning simulated aerial combat.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Nume Thanks Nume, they'll keep on coming :-)

[@nume1981]

BTW - It would be great to see more vids based on the DCS Modules (P-51 / FW-Dora and the upcoming BF-109 F4) as this seems to be the most profound simulation platform. How do you compare it to IL2?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Nume I really enjoy both DCS and IL-2, but I don't own the Dora (and I don't plan on buying it) so I can't really make a direct comparison. It will be interesting to see if the DCS 109 K4 exhibits the same yaw instability as what is present in the BoS 109s though. My experiences between the two are just too different. I'm pretty much exclusively a MP user in IL-2, but in DCS I focused on playing the SP for the A-10C and P-51D, and I can count the # of DCS MP sorties on one hand. When the DCS F-18 comes out that's what I'll definitely be enjoying :) The big difference to me is the systems modeling, which is great in DCS since you can manipulate it, but BoS has those things more under the hood to keep it accessible to a larger market. They're both great sims, so either way IL-2 and DCS will be the main ones simmers will be playing over the next few years in my opinion. It's just going to come down to matters of personal taste/aircraft/theater preferences.

[@strangerpnw4316]

Peppy wants to know your location.

[@jordigraner8306]

Well explained and demonstrated. Thanks!

[@AlexsFlyingClub]

Excellent video! Thanks for taking the time to make it.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Alex's Flying Club Thanks Alex, always good hearing from you. How are things?

[@AlexsFlyingClub]

Good! Just discovered the flightsim community on Twitch and also Digital Theme Park this month -- pretty happy with that. You? Happy New Year! All the best in 2015.

[@RequiemsACTL]

Alex's Flying Club I'm doing excellent as I just started real pilot training today :-) Happy new year for you as well mate! Hope it all goes as you wish for.

[@denemesurumu7001]

Can you show how to do conopy roll at F-5 aircraft. Which control surfaces uses? Thx.

[@EinsteinEP]

Excellent work again!

[@dkoz8321]

I see it, but I don't understand it, and I am unable to do it. Doesn't work for me. I don't get the 'reference point'. WTF is the OP looking at? I wonder if inability to perform a barell roll, is cause for expulsion from flight training.

[@Goit_Goit]

This is great... not many barrel roll tutorials out there. Is there any chance you could explain your rudder inputs while performing this? Similar to aileron rolls where you rudder right on a left roll, swapping to left rudder to complete?

[@RequiemsACTL]

There isn't much to elaborate on regarding the rudder inputs. You just use whatever amount of rudder it takes to stay coordinated. How fast you're going, how tight you're pulling, and how much power you're using all affect how much is needed.

[@Goit_Goit]

@@RequiemsACTL Great! Thanks!

[@longbowdt]

Nicely done. Thanks Flyby out

[@RequiemsACTL]

longbowdt Thanks Flyby, appreciate it :-)

[@Lazengogh]

Very well executed

[@dustinchase9187]

Too many people think that an aileron roll is a barrel roll. I believe the barrel roll may have got its name because it sort of appears like one is rolling around a barrel.

[@BlabbyElm]

Great tutorials, thank you!

[@ianrkav]

So right rudder for clockwise barrel roll and left for ant-clockwise while keeping the ball centred?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Just use whatever the correct amount/ direction of rudder to keep the ball centered

[@lancethrustworthy]

What kind of roll is it when the plane rotates on its main axis? Is it a form of barrel roll?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Aileron roll

[@rybuds47]

thanks for sharing knowlege bud!

[@paulrubens3048]

i would like to know how to barrel roll a bomber without clipping its wings. I assume we have to use the bomber as reference point then ??

[@RequiemsACTL]

Yeah the bomber is your reference point to roll around, but you will need to be slightly faster than the bomber when you start the roll.

[@Trump-a-Tron]

Why a point 45 deg off if you are trying to fly in the same direction? This is a "how-to" channel. I'm looking for a "why" channel. Any recommendations?

[@RequiemsACTL]

If you don't point away from your current flightpath all you will do is roll in a straight line, which is an aileron roll. By pointing away your flightpath takes on a corkscrew shape but you will finish in the same direction you started in.

[@vernonkeane3124]

Nice!

[@aznlegendray]

Is this a preferred maneuver to dodge a missile or guns?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Sort of kinda not really....it's situational. Against missiles you'll use about half a barrel roll at the end as part of an overall missile defense. Against guns it can be useful to try and avoid their solution and force an overshoot.

[@aznlegendray]

@@RequiemsACTL I learned something today Appreciate your reply!

[@gillandry9431]

I haven’t nosed up and rolled quick and the cone stayed on the horizon. Is this wrong? I enjoy aerobics.

[@RequiemsACTL]

That is basically an aileron roll

[@andycaldwell7981]

Hi Requiem, I've been loving your videos for a long time! really amazingand useful help while in spins in a camel!! I'm trying to master the bf 109 f2 in IL2 BOS (great bf 109 F2 tutorial last week BTW) - I am really mucking up the barrel roll every time. I know there is some torque in the 109, and am compensating well in normal flight etc but i am struggeling with manovers. With the barrel roll in particular I have trouble knowing how much rudder, aileron and pitch to put it. Any ideas? Thanks for all you do!

[@RequiemsACTL]

I know this is late Andy but I've been at airline ground school so I've been super busy drinking from a firehose of information. Don't stress too much about it. There is an issue with the amount of roll produced when rudder is applied (too much in the 109s especially), so unless you use near perfect technique you will probably flop around a bit. Try it in a Russian fighter and see how you go. Record a track of several attempts and look back on it and watch your flight path so tell if you need more inputs one way or the other.

[@andycaldwell7981]

The Air Combat Tutorial Library - Thank you for getting back to me! I'm very grateful. I hope your course continues well! Funny enough I have done exactly as you suggested and go stuck in with the Russian planes. Thanks to the very good ( now scripted campaign ) Albert's Life' I've been spending a lot of time in a Mig 3. It's been difficult to master (take off and landing in particular require a lot of concentration) but it's improved my flying all round! I've even been getting better in the 109 - when I'm fast enough 370+ I've discovered I need very little rudder. Thanks again for your reply - I love your videos and am always grateful to you for the work you put in - and wish you every success in you RL flying.

[@evertonmichell]

Thanks!

[@spastado]

in a barrel roll, you input on the stick backwards to pitch up and left/right to roll in the desired direction, do you need to input rudder controls?

[@RequiemsACTL]

To stay coordinated and tighten up the roll yes

[@spastado]

But in an ideal situation, you should not need to input rudder correct?

[@thecrocodile7181]

Can the regular Cessna 172 make barrel rolls?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Probably if you have enough airspeed to start with. I've got several hundred hours in a C172 but I never barrel rolled it and would never try it.

[@thecrocodile7181]

Alright, thanks.

[@thecrocodile7181]

@@RequiemsACTL what about a normal inverted roll? Possible to do it?

[@flawleesvictoryapolok9589]

Wonderful tutorial! thanks! I have a question for you. Can I make a barrel roll with a fw 190?

[@RequiemsACTL]

If you have enough airspeed you should be able to barrel roll with any airplane :-)

[@s2korpionic]

When I first started flight simming, I accidentally thought of the barrel roll manoeuvre when I fly the FW-190 for the first time and noticing its absurd roll rate, thinking "how can I use this ability to my advantage?"

[@RequiemsACTL]

Kalsonic Well I'll be doing some other videos next that expand on this barrel roll idea, so should be interesting to see as well :-)

[@sceptic56]

what loop? there is no loop in the maneuver. if there was a loop your heading would pass thru 180 from initial, and final, heading.

[@rickywood2369]

Does this game work on windows 8.1 ?

[@Lovi07]

yup, currently playing

[@rickywood2369]

Lovinatorka Hello will all these kind of games work on windows 8.1 with a third person aeroplane view using purely a joystick ? I know that way is purely arcadey but I will admit I just cant play using keyboard and mouse and when its purely just simulator, people might not like this comment as im asking about a more arcadey way of playing these games but at least im honest, I just cant handle pure simulator as I get all flustered looking for the right keys on the keyboard Etc.

[@ttice5068]

ricky wood Ricky, DCS is a very complex flight simulator. There is no "arcadey" way of flying simulators like these. Even with simplified physics, there is going to be more to a flight simulator than you have stated to be worth your time. War Thunder is an equivocal solution.

[@rickywood2369]

T Tice I was thinking like IL-2 Birds of Prey, Ace combat, Battle of Europe, Combat wings Battle of Britain Etc, I could play them on my old gaming laptop but they wont work on my new 1, and I could make them simplistic "arcadey" but they are really old well beside the IL-2 game, so was just wondering if the newer flight sims could be set up like them ? but from what you said i guess not which is a shame for me as these new games look awesome, and yeah war thunder is ok but i prefer just doing campaigns rather than fly against other people who are crazily better than you as they spend there life playing it.

[@math3152]

Tank You Very much i brasiliam and i can't complete a fase the flight simulador

[@RequiemsACTL]

You're welcome Matheus

[@Wykletypl]

That P-51D... Was that 'Big Beautiful Doll'?

[@RequiemsACTL]

Wykletypl I believe that skin was for the Doll yeah. I tend to alternate between the P-51 skins in videos with it.

[@MrFranciscovenci]

It Helps that you

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Doing it above a mountain range seems rather risky to me.

[@Kfirc2]

Usually I really appreciate your amazing work But this guide i did not like. A. I did not like the DCS I prefer to do the guides in IL-BOS or IL-CLOD B. On the big screen at the height of the barrel rolling plane disappeared C. You should add a window on the stick and throttle Thank you very much look forward to continuing your contribution to the international community

[@RequiemsACTL]

Thanks for the feedback IAFK, I appreciate it. A. I would like to do BFM and ACM tutorials in BoS or CloD, but they lack the free camera which I use for the external shots. CloD simply doesn't have it at all, and BoS does have it but the public version doesn't have it enabled. I've asked the BoS devs to enable it for over a year and they chose not to, so I grew tired of waiting for something that wasn't coming. DCS does have the free camera and Tacview which work very well. The videos I make are about explaining the principles of air combat, so it doesn't really matter what sim I because you can apply the information to any sim. Any videos that require free camera will use DCS until BoS enables it. B. Sorry about the plane disappearing at the top in the first barrel roll, I flat out missed that. At least the inset video has it. C. Yeah I didn't know about that function until after I finished it. A squadmate told me about it, so in future videos this will be shown. Hopefully you can like the future BFM and ACM videos, even if they are using DCS.

[@snaicli]

The Air Combat Tutorial Library Free camera coming to BOS with the next patch, maybe a new video? :)

[@RequiemsACTL]

snaicli Yeah I noticed that. Upon hearing that it was a good reason for me to pre-order BOM. I don't have time to make new videos until I've finished my RL flight training though, which isn't very far away :-)

[@josephpentony4804]

Star fox lied to us.

[@7sson-hasson-310]

hey 2020

[@Justy2579]

Do a Barrel Roll! Am i the only with an N64 and Star Fox 64?

[@RequiemsACTL]

I played that game to death too! That, Goldeneye, and Ocarina of Time :-)

[@craftminerCZ]

Is this what they show you at the air combat academy? Poor souls

[@EatPezzzz]

This is absolutely not how a barrel roll performs in a real plane.

[@nocalsteve]

It is if you do it right.

[@5mac866]

clearly you haven't seen a true barrel roll. because that is NOT a barrel roll.

[@pigofapilot1]

Oh yes it is! Here is confirmation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKDHZJ6CrNtmb6M