Here's Why Vulcans Have Green Blood

[@OrangeRiver]

Check out my video about human-alien reproduction in Star Trek: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKOTZJmCjNiYh5o As well as my video about Vulcan history: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rni8c3WOp9uKetU

[@hydrolito]

In Star Trek the next generation, it was made clear that Vulcans descended from Romulans.

[@itubeutubewealltube1]

inner eyelid was from the multiple sun? It was explained in the last episode of season 1 tos.

[@mariajohnson-tanner2720]

@@itubeutubewealltube1 It was the change in the brightness of their sun that caused the evolution of the inner eyelids.

[@itubeutubewealltube1]

@@mariajohnson-tanner2720it wasnt a change but rather the sun was so bright , that vulcans evolved and inner eye lid kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYKrXp19iKmSodU

[@tayzonday]

I always felt like Vulcan biology evolved to accommodate plots. Inner eyelids, superhuman strength, forcible telepathy etc. were all needed to advance a story.

[@Robert-hz9bj]

Yeah, basically. From an actual biology perspective, the Vulcans should require like three times the calories humans do (which makes zero sense for a species from a desert biome). Spock should be shown eating in basically every scene he's in, or sleeping for extremely long stretches of the day as a natural mechanism of energy conservation.

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

Kind of the reverse actually. The hydrospray came about due to restrictions on needles on television and the Vulcan nerve pinch was a similar workaround

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@Robert-hz9bj Same goes for the Fremen, but Herbert just gives us that they have a longer large intestine.

[@crazyaxeman1751]

Don't forget about the copper based blood

[@od1452]

I think that is the primary driving force too . Fans forget because they love the ST idea that not every one cares ... writers often don't , they just need a story for that week. Thats why I don't know ...Vulcan doesn't even exists any more... right?

[@shawnleeguku]

The Katra really reminds me of the Spark from Transformers. It's like no matter how damaged the body may be, if the Katra is still around they're not truly dead and can be revived by placing the Katra in another vessel. Makes me wonder if this has ever been attempted with a robotic body; it certainly has precedent in Star Trek with plenty of non-Vulcan examples.

[@bigoljoe1829]

If you really think about it, thats how transporters work. They've touched on it here and there across the various series. They mention detecting an energy leaving at least one species and joining a larger pool of energy in a planetary ring in Voyager. In TNG Scotty was rescued by the Enterprise crew after hiding in a transporter pattern buffer for decades, and recounted having some sense of things while in there. That would be impossible without some form of tangible consciousness separate from the body. There are more of course but nobody wants to read a whole novel in the comments LMAO

[@Jiub_SN]

@свевский the mind being energy of some sort is how I've interpreted it, how else would the q be the way they are? How else would a transporter work?

[@ClintSprayberry]

Oh yeah .... Wooo Hooooooooo It's my Friday Star Trek fix from Orange River!!!!!!!!!!

[@sethmaki1333]

I'm looking forward to the inevitable video about Klingon physiology.

[@Gift0r]

Would I recruit a Vulcan? Yes, also some amout of crewmen from other species as well. A more diverse crew has a much better chance of being able to react to unforseen situations or, for that matter, not being incapacitated all at once.

[@Gift0r]

@@subraxas FINALLY. :D

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

I love the ongoing speculation about the connection to Sargon's people. There's a lot of good material there!

[@virginiaconnor8350]

"Have no fear. Sargon is here." Blooper w/Wm. Shatner

[@esausjudeannephew6317]

Shatner doing amazing acting portraying sargon's return to physical form after half a million years as a disembodied spirit

[@mosleyboxing]

In 1988 I bought and read Spock's World. Great read and love your content! "Without followers, evil cannot spread." - Spock "The spear in the Other's heart is the spear in your own - you are he." - Surak

[@wolvenar]

Perfect ending to a very entertaining video.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

Live long and prosper!

[@tihzho]

Hey Tyler... Frank here. Great video very informative! "You're out of your Vulcan mind, Spock!"

[@bcase5328]

3:19 Spock's blood had a little hemoglobin; but, Spock was a human/vulcan hybrid. So, what was true for Spook wasn't necessarily true for all Vulcans.

[@NeverDoneEver]

I think it was mentioned in Journey to Babel that Spock's human blood elements would have to be filtered out before his blood could be given to Sarek.

[@thomasbarca9297]

I was wondering since Spock was a Terran/Vulcan hybrid why his blood is green shouldn’t it be like a Yellow

[@elise-clementinedraye2146]

@@thomasbarca9297maybe he has a bigger green than red ratio (which would be logical since there is less oxygen on his planet : Vulcan evolved to have more of their oxygen transporter than humans ever needed)

[@STho205]

There is ABSOLUTELY no biological knowledge or training in the repurposed westerns script writers that wrote Star Trek....especially GR, Fontana and Coon. The whole Spock thing is a super racist eugenics POV about mixed race children. There's black blood and white blood. What will his nose and hair look like? Skintone? These are things used in 50s and 60s westerns with half-breed "Injuns" like Ed Ames' Mingo on Daniel Boone or Burt Reynolds on Gunsmoke. It is also found in the writings of movies, novels and plays like "Imitation of Life" or "Showboat". Spock was just a few years out of the blackface comedy and musical numbers in Hollywood.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I know i've said this before but I love how you research things and look at things from a reality-based perspective. It's not to pick them apart but to make the fiction more real. Close to the top of the list of watch next on my KZbin feed is your World War 3 video that's almost a year old now. Although your videos are always great, it's still my favourite. You and all your subscribers have a great Christmas

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much James! I'm very proud of my WW3 video.

[@That80sGuy1972]

That's why I love this channel too. It's the defining difference between science fiction and other fantastical fictions... reality-based perspective. No matter how magical it seems, it boils down to something we can relate to our reality.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@That80sGuy1972 I think this is the third channel I just found you on. Can't remember what the second one was, but I know I found you elsewhere. Side note, Vulcan would make terrifying tight group tactical pack hunters. Other than the Avatar movies where they bio link with a hair cord, a Vulcan and dog/wolf would be a very tightly emotional bonded pair.

[@That80sGuy1972]

@@krispalermo8133 It's bound to keep happening. With the comments we write each other, we probably have a LOT of similar interests. As for the tactical pack hunter thing, I wrote something like that as Star Trek fan fiction as a teen (1988)... got an A in Creative Writing class. It helped that my teacher was familiar with the source material. They were a tribal-based society descended from the only survivors (children) of Vulcan lifeboats (large escape pods). The planet was an arid Class M world (mostly desert) and they formed a symbiotic relationship with that world's wolves, like early Humans on Earth. The "wolves" were semi-sapient reptilian types that are 100kg creatures that seem to be a cross between a salamander and a flightless avian. I wrote it as a science fiction horror story where (except for the sole survivor protagonist) was the sole survivor who originally landed to help the Romulans rescue their team who were studying them... those that didn't survive were food for the regressed Vulcans and their monsters.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@That80sGuy1972 I just got the vibe of Jurassic Park being hunted by the Raptors, but with a spear/bow using rider. Did the regressed Vulcan have a spoken speech/language or did they shriek like their mounts all the time in a Beast Speech ? I know it was a long time ago when you wrote your short story, but over the past 15 years my house had two dogs that were a mix of german shepherd & lab and those dogs had a large huff, puff, grunt language of their own to speak with. So could you say those Vulcans spoke .. salamander.

[@jasperdoornbos8989]

But seriously, I really like these videos you make. So well researched. Thank you!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you jasper!

[@MacCrafter707]

I remember reading that book about Vulcan being a lush jungle and what happened after.

[@CailenCambeul]

Spock's World, wasn't it?

[@mariajohnson-tanner2720]

​@@CailenCambeulI have the novel, it is really good. I wish more novels would be written about Vulcans or at least Spock's upbringing.

[@starclone4]

Oh yes, Spock`s World... Good book !!!!

[@mcorrade]

Awesome vid as always. The Katra is a really interesting thing to ponder for our future.

[@jhallam2011]

I like there species biology videos…you said they’re not as popular huh? That’s a shame! I like when you apply real world comparisons to our Trek world!

[@Stephen_D421]

Some of your best vids.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks y'all. Yep, it's hard to wrap my head around why people (or the algorithm) make such a distinction between "fictional aliens" and "fictional technologies" lol

[@richardgregory3684]

Lot sof conundrums about Vulcan physiology. For example: copper based blood is only about a quarter as efficient at carrying oxygen as iron based. Given that Vulcan has a thin, oxygen depleted atmosphere compared to Earth, you'd expect their blood to be predominantly iron based - not copper. Mamals on Earth use iron based blood because our rapid metabolisms (to maintain our high body temperatures) use a lot of oxygen. If I recall, it;s established that the Vulcan circulatory system is low-pressure, high heart rate - Spocks blood pressure is extremely low, and his heart rate is several hundred beats a minute. But such a heart would use a LOT of oxygen. It's never explained why Vulcans are so strong - sure, their planet has a higher gravity, but not THAT much higher - humans appear to move aorund without any noticable difficulty. It could be a quirk of evolution - chmpanzees are about twice as strong as an adult human, for example, and Neanderthals were much stronger than us. Humans evolved towards endurance rather than sheer strength - our muscles are 'designed' for things like running for long periods. Maybe Vulcans are very strong, but lack endurance! It's established that Vulcans don;t sweat to lose heat - I guess that makes sense on an arid planet. But sweating is a VERY efficient way to lose excess heat. In fact humans, who can sweat ove rour entire skins, have a greater heat tolerance than almost any other mammal. So how do Vulcans shed excess heat? They don;t have huge ears that act as raidator find for example (which is how elephants cool themselves) The faster reflexes make sense in higher gravity, and accute senses in a rarified atmosphere also.

[@Erik_Swiger]

Awesome video. Makes me feel like Vulcan is just a hop, skip, and a jump away.

[@CailenCambeul]

If any space shuttles go missing, we know where to look.

[@keithallver2450]

It is interesting to note that when Henoch occupied Spock's body that it didn't have the same difficulty with the higher metabolism as Kirk's or Ann Mulhall's bodies did when occupied by Sargon and Thalassa. Maybe that physical compatibility is further evidence that the Arretans were the ancient ancestors of the modern Vulcans.

[@richardgregory3684]

Yes, althopugh it's stated thatthe extreme power of the Arretan mentality is what drives the metablism higher. The Vulcan metablism is already faster and their bodies more accustomed to things liek accelerated heartbeat.

[@turkeytrac1]

Well done!! Thank you!

[@airforcemax]

*¡watched at 8:33 am Pacific Standard Time on Monday, 12 December 2022!*

[@jonathanroberts-bj7yl]

Spock’s mother is a human, but the funny thing is he doesn’t behave like a human much.

[@rileyackison4495]

Throughout the series it is revealed that Spock’s lack of “humanness” is very much a learned trait. He basically had to be the perfect Vulcan to even remotely be alright in school.

[@rootoveride]

Love the channel. Man I hope you keep it up. Sorry u don't get the numbers you deserve.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you rootoveride. I'm definitely trying my best :D One day I'll get there

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Of course I'd want a Vulcan on my crew, at best as the chief of security (they aren't swayed by emotions, not even during fighting!)

[@Numba003]

I would want a few Vulcans around on my ship. They can give you a clear and thoughtful perspective sometimes, even if you end up going against their recommendations. Thank you for another really good video! Merry Christmas out there everybody! ✝️🎄

[@hackman669]

What about Romulan civilians?🐱🦬🐫

[@merafirewing6591]

Make sure that Vulcan is female, or at least a batch of them aboard in various stations.

[@elise-clementinedraye2146]

@@merafirewing6591 1. female Vulcan also go through pon Farr 2. Vulcan don’t need to mate to their own species during pon’ far 3 the best solution would actually be to have Vulcan who already had 1 pon Farr so they know when their second will arrive and can make preparations in advance

[@SeismicFrog]

So I’ve never seen it anywhere but the one handbook I had from the late 70’s to maybe ‘87. I had my finger crossed, but nope. It’s like this trinket of tinkle has been erased from the map. And there wasn’t anywhere near the stuff that there is now…. Vulcans urine is like a thick motor oil viscosity due to the desert living and infrequent precipitation. No where but the one book I had and lost three moves ago. No where else. And that image has lived with me for 52 years - and now you can too. Welcome to the club, I’m no longer alone. This internet thing might find a use yet!

[@Brukner841]

It's inconceivable how badass Vulcans are, a relatively similar species in my view are the Stargate Ancients, bogged down by their socio-politics in a somewhat similar fashion. They're like force sensitives, the Bene Geserit, but they come off as more powerful. So well written.

[@hackman669]

Did they look human?🤫

[@tubularbill]

Another brilliant Star Trek analysis. Thank you for all your research!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Loved your lecture. Wish some of my professors were as enlightening; Q: If T'Pol was cured of the Pa'nar Syndrome by T'Pau, why didn't the latter also cure her of her Trellium poisoning too? Wouldn't T'Pau have discovered it as well during the mind meld then? Did T'Pol tell her mother?

[@mrock828]

As a Capt I would require Vulcans be on my crew because I would know without doubt I could trust them with anything and their dedication to me and the ship would be unwavering.

[@abeclark524]

Must not have watched The Undiscovered Country where a Vulcan Star Fleet officer betrays the Federation.

[@mrock828]

@@abeclark524 true but she was not vetted by Kirk or Spock. She was placed there by admiral Cartwright so her loyalties lied with him. Granted, that doesn't excuse her actions. She never demonstrated truly Vulcan morals or logic for some off camera reason. I always thought when watching the movie that her deceptions were very un Vulcan like and hoped that would be explained. The conspiracy to kill Gorkon explains the other races actions of deception yet not Valeris's. I don't think we ever got a valid reason for her to act so un Vulcan like. This isolated incident still doesn't change that I would require Vulcans to be on my crew. You brought a good point though.

[@Malkiore1]

I just love these detailed videos into the races and their homeworld.

[@stardate_2798.8]

I would recruit a Vulcan. They're so straightfoward, truthful, logical. I would definetly recruit one.

[@OdariArt]

Great video, Tyler, and yes, I would have a Vulcan on my ship. It is logical.

[@OMNIDC13]

I would want a Vulcan because they would be able to cover my biggest weakness.

[@Erykthebat]

Romulans don't have Pon Far , this is a condition Surak inflicted on Vulcans

[@hackman669]

Lucky

[@alexisdespland4939]

off to my local sci0fi fan group chistmas party after this video so merry chirstmas.

[@ClintSprayberry]

Whew, sorry I'm late guys... it's been "one of those days" ....

[@luvondarox]

Thank you for covering this!

[@colinleat8309]

Great episode! I wish it was 2 hours. 🤘😁🖖

[@OrangeRiver]

If it were up to my script editor, it would've been at least twice as long lol

[@caedrewan]

thanks for the video - live long and prosper!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Isaac!

[@JanetStarChild]

Here's a hot take... Is there even a point to Spock being 'half-human'? I heard that, originally, it was because the execs were worried that viewers wouldn't respond well to a lead character if they were fully alien. Other than a somewhat fascinating backstory, I don't see the point; Spock is pretty much 100% vulcan in just about every way.

[@TravisSelassieSimbawafedha]

Yes give me a Vulcan security officer , a Klingon science officer and a human Rastaman running my 10 forward. 🖖🏿

[@dustinshadle732]

Of course I'd include a Vulcan on my crew. They all seem to be very well educated as we) as capable in most situations physically. Even if they were only an artist and performer, or philosopher

[@quantafreeze]

Very informative and entertaining. Great video. Definitely would need Vulcan/s on the bridge.

[@Erik_Swiger]

Spock was not a Vulcan (as we usually believe), he was half-human, half-Vulcan, which was the whole point of his character. This is not pertinent to the video, just pointing it out. BTW as a kid I had a book that said Vulcan urine was black and thick as oil, because their bodies conserved water so much. Don't think I've seen that mentioned lately.

[@katvelyte]

this is mentioned in the video. maybe make sure you watch the whole thing thoroughly before commenting.

[@OrangeRiver]

@Erik Swiger You're the second person in two years to point out this fact when I have Spock in the thumbnail of a Vulcans-related video...but like Katie said, I do mention it. Obviously I've chosen him because he's the most recognizable VULCAN* character in Trek.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

I guess no menstrual cycles in teen girls or women to worry about? I suppose Cdr.T'Pol didn't have to be concerned about buying tampons at the Vulcan pharmacy or telling Cdr.Trip "Not today. I'm having cramps."

[@beebob2877]

@@virginiaconnor8350 nah they do it’s also just the oily stuff

[@jodaddy5065]

Loved this video

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@frostdova]

I think a vulcan doctor would be interesting for a starship

[@Geardos1]

The research in these videos is getting wild, keep it up

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks Geardos!

[@beepboop204]

do the pointy ears go down all the way?

[@brentpieczynski]

I would have the Vulcan if I was a ship's Captain because having people that meet the qualifications for the work is important.

[@thomasjmitchell2306]

Bravo 👏 man!! Amazing video! Very detailed and entertaining!!!

[@GopherBaroque61]

Tyler, wonderful video as always. However, I did get slightly distracted. I kept wondering if you would meet a tragic end during the video. You know... considering the shirt color you have on in the video.

[@OrangeRiver]

Haha, I definitely put myself at risk everytime I don that color

[@JoseMolina-ij3xx]

It would be nice to see a video about brain physiology between the Vulcans and Romulans, since they were once one and the same species a long time ago.

[@hackman669]

Great idea, what about the Klingons? Or Ferangi?

[@proterotype]

Man when you said mesiofrontal cortex I thought we were getting a mycelial network reference

[@OrangeRiver]

Lol, I sometimes have to stop myself from inserting one whenever I just say the word "network" by itself

[@marley7145]

I'm pretty sure the early Vulcans were modified by the Vorlons. Oh. Wait.

[@marktaylor6553]

As always, a great video. I thought I watched this already but apparently I didn't. I am doing a 'complete history of the galaxy' for a homebrew amalgam (scify) project I am working on, and I use a LOT of your hypothesis as a basis for it, to build a coherent timeline (one that includes at least 75 other franchises as well LOL).

[@nonarKitten]

I wish Star Trek did even the minimum amount of work researching this. Hemocyanin is found in nature, but the blood is blue when oxygenated and greyish-clear when not. It is favoured over hemoglobin in high-pressure and/or colder environments where hemoglobin has problems maintaining protein stability. This would mean that Vulcan is likely 1.5 to 2.5 times larger than Earth and probably about 5ºC colder overall. This would make air at sea level feel like (to a human) about the same as being in a cool pool of water. It would be uncomfortable for humans, but liveable. The planet can still be red. Mars is and it's also much, much colder than Earth. The planet can still be rocky and volcanic. There are moons in our solar system like this. But it wouldn't be hot. Hot and copper-based blood makes no sense. This could explain why they dress in layers so much. I live in Canada. I know of layering clothes. Now, the blood could appear slightly greenish based on other components in the blood, but the blood itself is literally blue. And it wouldn't mean they look blue like say Andorians. The blood near the surface would normally be greyish in colour and most of our skin colour doesn't come from the blood but by melanin. And being a very bright star, Vulcans may have developed naturally more melanin than humans to offset it. Because hemocyanin is a poor oxygen carrier compared to hemoglobin, most Vulcans would be noticeably more lethargic than humans in regular day-to-day. It's not "sleepiness" though, they're just moving at a somewhat slower speed. And they might make up with it by having much longer circadian rhythms (also implied on the show), perhaps 40-60 hours. However, a necessary adaptation would be to replace the glycogen in the fat and muscles with peroxide. This would allow short-bursts of over oxygenation which would also correspond with a blue flush to the skin. That is, 2xH2O2 -> H2O + O2, a process natural to peroxide already. But peroxide at any concentration is very reactive, so Vulcans would have to have a naturally basic (alkaline) bodies (whereas humans are normally acidic). This would mean high content of carbonates and bicarbonates. Vulcan food would probably taste very bitter and/or salty to even the biggest of salt fiends. While they could get a lot of this from bread, remember that Vulcans are also fructose intolerant. Aldolase-A is produced by the muscles and since now instead of glycogen we have peroxide, this isn't produced. There's still aldolase-B made by the liver, but that might not be enough to handle normal dietary loads of fructose. That's okay. Vulcan isn't know for its plant life. However, some fructose is important as the body cannot create glucose needed by the brain on ketones. This brings up a lot of interesting ethical problems -- too much and they're intoxicated, too little and their brain starts shutting down. It's a fine line. Also, this lower overall metabolism would combine with hemocyanin's cancer busting powers to make for very, very long lived species. Probably much longer than Star Trek ever implied -- probably more on the lines of Tolkien elves life span. The extra eyelid would serve two purposes. One would be to help cut down on the glare, the other would be to help keep the eye moist. While under pressure and colder, it would also be dryer. Cold dry air is torture on eyeballs. I live in Canada. I know this. And they could be stronger, probably because of the gravity, but in Terran gravity for too long it would wear off after a few years. Prolonged missions on Earth ships could pose various health challenges as their muscles atrophy. It could help to keep their quarters at a higher G force, but could literally trip up other crew members not expecting it. Ultimately, you'd either want whole-ships for just Vulcans or have regular breaks to return to Vulcan to heal. Though how is TBD since on Earth, we've yet to fully reverse the effects of zero-G on our astronauts. There, in 60 minutes I did more research and put more thought into it than any writer of Star Trek ever did.

[@DMSProduktions]

Those pesky Vulcans! (Said in a McCoy voice!)

[@JaredLS10]

I am curious, did the Vulcan's use of telepathy evolve due to their strict adherence to suppressing emotion? We know Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcans but we never see them with any kind of telepathy and they don't practice emotional control.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

In one of the novels (i think "My Enemy, my Ally") it's stated that Telepathy evolved later. And it's speculated that it would be a threat to the secretive nature of the romulan government.

[@taraswertelecki3786]

Romulans are not highly emotional, they just don't control their emotions to the degree Vulcans do.

[@Robert-hz9bj]

In the TNG season 7 two-part episode "Gambit," we find out that, prior to the embracing of peace and logic through the teachings of Surak, Vulcans developed weapons which were capable of channeling their psionic abilities into a wave of energy that could eradicate minds which harbored aggressive thoughts and emotions. This would seem to indicate that Vulcan telepathy predates the teachings of Surak and suppression of emotion by quite some time.

[@jdsiv3]

Seems to me the Vulcan and Romulans are identical but the Vulcans opted for internal controls to deal with their emotions and Romulans for external controls. Romulans are paranoid, highly suspicious, and aggressive but it is managed through an very strict controlling government

[@MyogaSama]

very cool breakdown. earned my sub :D

[@ryanedgerton1982]

Vulcans would make kickass Jedi. Change my mind.

[@ryanedgerton1982]

@@subraxas -- Not when one of your core philosophical principles is literally "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one)." Romulans, on the other hand, would DEFINITELY be Sith.

[@kurtstallings]

Really enjoyed this. Thanks!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Kurt!

[@crystalheart9]

I've been a Star Trek fan from the first show I saw a when I was 15. I had no idea how deep all this information can get, really interesting and great job.🖖

[@RememberTheChase]

Honestly vulcan lore is awesome 👌 👏 I'm obsessed. Great video! As always.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Chase!

[@kebabylon]

HEY GUYS, TYLER HERE❤

[@isaganipalanca8803]

Another excellent segment! thank you!

[@TerryMcQ79]

Fascinating! A very well thought out video

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Terry!

[@hdjksa52]

Dude, thanks so much for this video. Your channel rules!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much!

[@marxtheenigma873]

Would copper blood be realistic in this case? I've heard there are some limitations.

[@NZBigfoot]

Horseshoe Crabs and alot of mollusks have copper based blood... so its realistic, but yeah there are limitations, although animals with copper based blood can do things we iron based ones cant. No idea if it could work in a humanoid life form.

[@RyanHaney55]

Heck yeah, I'd recruit Vulcans for my crew.

[@erictaylor5462]

Considering that a mind meld would be far more intimate than any sexual experience, one might think that a nonconsensual mind meld would be far more traumatic for the victim even than rape, and rape is pretty traumatic. So one would think that volcans would have strict laws and cultural taboos surrounding nonconsensual mind melds. I'm not sure if others felt this way, but I found Spock's forced mind meld on Lt. Valeris to be extremely disturbing.

[@jjsheets330]

When’s the body pillow going to be a cohost? Any truth to the rumor that the Vulcans have something to do with the mycelium newtwork?!?!

[@hydrolito]

Vulcan was Roman god of fire and an inventor. Romulus and Remus were supposedly the founders of Rome and the name of the planets of the Romulans.

[@Thomas.Wright]

"WHAT IS BRAIN?" A mutant laboratory mouse with designs of taking over the world.

[@leomartin1903]

Preposterous HAIRCUTS?😆

[@gbkworf]

Great video, well done!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much!

[@adampierce7468]

It amazed me that Spock was able to perform a mind meld on Nomad. A machine hell bent on destroying every imperfect biological lifeform.

[@tknocan]

Great video man

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you tknocan!

[@worldtraveler930]

Okay I'll have to bring up some issues regarding Vulcan mating as I have read in several different novelizations (some having been written by writers of TOS.) they explained it as the males going into a pon-far every 7 years much like the elephants on Earth the males going into a Must every 2 to 3 years and as such the females have to be Ready to go at Any time This is to explain why Spock's wife chooses another and during Spock's recovery from the Genesis planet the female Vulcan was able to pon-far with him, this makes pretty strong sense as there is a Real Life Real World version of this in elephants.

[@malachiXX]

There is a whole backstory with Saavik that most people don't know because they haven't READ the Wrath of Khan. Saavik isn't pure Vulcan. She is the result of a Vulcan / Romulan mating and as such, she struggles constantly with controlling her emotions. She was written to be Spock's student and he had taken her under his wing to assist her in her assimilation into Federation society since she would NEVER be accepted as Vulcan by pure Vulcans. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Read Wrath of Khan for more details.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

@@malachiXX If Manny Coto had his way, there might've been 3 more seasons of "Enterprise". I believe he had a story idea where Cdr. T'Pol (or later Cpt.) found her father and discovered that he was a Romulan. I wonder if he'd tricked T'Les into marriage, having a child, and was supposed to kidnap the daughter to start a new colony that later became Hellguard-where Saavik was born. Maybe Saavik is related to T'Pol, given the close relationship between Romulans and Vulcans anyway, but also they share a common lack of emotional control at times.

[@malachiXX]

@@virginiaconnor8350 Interesting. I mean the part about T'Pol's background. I was never into Enterprise.

[@worldtraveler930]

@@virginiaconnor8350 If you remember that episode in Enterprise when T'pol was being sold into slavery how the slaver's market went completely Wild at having a female Vulcan to bid on speaks volumes about the differences between Vulcan males in regards to the females!!! 🤠🖖

[@thetwilightjourneys]

I'd recruit a Vulcan. I would need a Vulcan to help view things logically.

[@shaggycan]

I remember reading long ago that Spock was far more telepathic than most Vulcans as a result of being a hybrid. Most Vulcans are low strength touch telepaths.

[@taraswertelecki3786]

Keid or 40 Eridani is a very easy triple star for small telescopes. Through my ten-inch, even the 12th magnitude red-dwarf which is very low mass shows it's red color clearly. It's a very nice muliple star for modest telescopes, and the white dwarf member of the system was the first white dwarf to be discovered.

[@luvondarox]

I thought I might somewhere that Vulcans react to foods like chocolate not unlike humans ingesting alcohol. Did anyone know if that's just internet myth?

[@virginiaconnor8350]

The Andes candies did make Spock drunk enough to jump in the whale tank to talk with George.

[@brynpookc1127]

Lots of fanfics using chocolate’s effect on Vulcans

[@lsporter88]

That was impressive.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@krispalermo8133]

Radio drama, of Spock and Q, titled " Q Squared " ..? Point being Spock made a joke since Vulcans can be telepathic influence by touch their culture develop public social distancing a hand gestures as a form of greetings. At the end of the audio drama Q came out and said Spock tricked him into doing the Right thing from the beginning of their meeting with a Handshake.

[@That80sGuy1972]

That heart thing bothered me since I was a kid, the heart in the liver location... that means you could heart-stab a Vulcan by running at him with a pencil. Instead of giving him a dangerous liver injury that he could survive via waiting for an ambulance and an ER visit, or surviving via the liver's innate toughness and regeneration, he dies of a heart-stab... making his rib cage a non-protection thing for his heart. So, is the Vulcan heart a super-organ that's really sensitive to even touch but is really hard to damage, like our eyes? Is it a regenerative organ like our liver, only inhibited by regular abuse that infects it with bloating scar tissue? Did that heart location only exist for that TOS episode? I thought those things were not real Star Trek canon, things I imagined because they were... meh... glitched. And if the heart is there, what's going on in the rib cage that makes the heart something that's not protected by that cage of bone? I wrote many science fiction races that made the heart a big deal but not an irreplaceable functioning thing should it be compromised. What's going on in the rib cage that makes the heart rejected from the Rib Cage Club? Is the Vulcan liver the fragile organ, like our heart is? I mean, moving a small and powerful version of the liver that is also fragile within the rib cage would make sense. The super-lungs, we need not discuss that. It's obvious.

[@krispalermo8133]

Proper punch on the chest can cause the heart to skip a few beats and lock up the breathing cause even pro boxers or martial artists to pass out. So a good liver punch that messes up boxers would do wonders to a Vulcan. I just looked up on Bing - Images of the liver location and it is protected by the lower rib cage and the liver takes up a lot of area. So claiming the Vulcan heart is in the liver location does not really narrow its location down very much, you still have to go through the solar plex which is bad enough and still miss something the size of your fist.

[@That80sGuy1972]

@@krispalermo8133 I get that, bro. I truly do. My dad was a meathead and pushed me into sports my whole life. By the age of 11, I finally caved when I learned of a sport that was actually useful, Karate and the other martial arts taught at that dojo (school). I got to do stupid competitions that made my meathead dad proud, and got training I could actually apply to real life. That led to a HILARIOUS incident where he decided that beating the crap out of me was no longer a good idea, even trying it... but let's just put that can of worms away, okay? Fast forward a few years, I was kicked out of being allowed to participate in the sport for being a bit mean... I say tactical... with people who were far better at doing the hold-back thing to win, so I was creatively tactical enough to add anatomical knowledge to enhance my pressure point training. Well, part of getting kicked out was also them getting word that I picked fights with bullies... but I feel that was unjust too. The Karate Creed and other oaths allowed, even inspired, defense of others. I know, I know, I probably took it too far as a power trip as a kid. That should have afforded me a bit of latitude, even with my attitude. And, yes, I came up with that rhyme to sound clever back then. I still stick by it, just not as adamantly as I did back then. I almost matured since then. The malfunctioning the heart strike through the sternum isn't easy to do, it's a power strike that would break most things. It can happen with any solid blow, not just trained blows. Martial arts can let you land blows of up to 2000 lbs of impact, pro boxers are usually at best less than a third of that. Padding, power strikes, blocks, dodges, and conservative (sportsman) technique are all what doing it "tournament style" is about. I won't get into saying why I don't really respect boxing and wrestling as actual fighting styles as to not offend people here. In my personal experience, the best way to glitch the heart hard and fast isn't a power move, it's tactical. A spear-hand thrust as a fast strike targeting under the sternum at an upward inner angle does the same effect as a high-power strike to the sternum at minimum, with a much higher potential of being lethal. As for the liver, that's a far far far easier bit of soft tissue to glitch-out, even rupture... and a guaranteed Dim Mak against an untrained fighter who is not skilled in mid-section defense. That's why I learned the iron skin kata... it isn't really making your skin iron, it's a blocking technique that lets you rapidly tense up all the muscles in the area to be rock-hard... giving the impression of iron skin. Harry Houdini learned it for his gut as a parlor trick, if memory serves. It was one of my favorite blocks against boxers, making those meatheads believe my gut was indestructible. But, I digress. The moment I fail to diffuse a situation (or become weak enough to create one), based upon that person't build and movement, my mind's eye sees a rapid overlay of their body... their skeleton, connective tissues, muscles, nerves, soft tissues, etc... time slows as I almost have x-ray vision and almost unthinkingly move accordingly... and I am by FAR no master fighter, not at all, most martial artists I knew with as much training were better than me, I was just a well-trained mean spirited tactically minded young person. I had some advantages better people had because of the way I thought but had some weaknesses too, let's not get into those. But I digress. Stay with me, I'm trying to make a point, and (believe it or not) this is all super-similified. And yes, I bit my lip my entire life with how AD&D and other role-playing games did martial arts, to say the least. Given this, can you see my boggle? The heart in the liver area, that's an invitation to be instantly killed by any trained fighter or even be accidentally killed via heart-strike by some random person with a pokey-thing because it's outside the rib cage. That's why I speculated the Vulcan heart, given where it's at, is somehow far harder to hurt and wondered what was put into the rib cage to get the protection from that.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@That80sGuy1972 .. wow .. , you digress a lot in this post. I would have to write seven mini paragraphs to cover all the points you made that I liked. With another eight paragraphs to fill in my two cents. But as for sports, never much were into them, but football does teach you to get off your backside and tackle whatever is pizzing you off at a given moment. By the time I was 15yo as a freshman in high school I already build up the strength playing Highlander Games in the backyard and tossing 200lb wooden posts. So after a few high school football practices playing line guard and just tossing other players into the quarter back, the jocks decided not to mess with me for the rest of the year. As an artist and could draw the organ placements from memory, I know what X-ray vision is like, and what it is like when it gets out of control being super impose on everything you look at. It sucks to look at your friends or girlfriend and the first thing you think is how quick you can take them down. Fishing or playing pasta throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks. See a person favoring how they walk cause they need to flip their bed mattress and they have a problem with tucking their bed sheet up under their ribs or back leading to backpain, along with stretching a given way to reloosen up those muscle groups. A lot of my high school teachers and other students were amazed I didn't go into chiropractic and start my own self-defense school. I just am not a group people person or like touching people, there went my tattoo career. I was so bad in junior high school after I had dentist work with a numb jaw, I picked a verbal fight at the playground with the other teenagers playing football along with telling a c0p he was into sucking BBC with his wife pegging him. Since this was in the late 1980's that went over well. It wasn't assault of a minor cause you should know better than to say that to an adult at that social time period. In any case I was quickly beaten blooded. I almost matured since then. Anyways I can become is cold in my Vulcan criticism in what is proper professionalism behavior I am anal. But when I turn and play the other people's game, I become verbal abusive. My German relatives from a centuries old traditional military family are brutally cold, abusive, and raunchy. My grandfather was laid back his daughter/my mom is a criminal rated nut job. OMG that woman had a mouth on her and at one time she had the weight to back it up. when I was in the 6th grade she beat the f-ck out of three c0ps in my school for bullying me for looking like a girl and calling me homosexual slurs cause it offended her honor as a southern woman and insulted her as a Southern Baptist mother. Christ Sakes ! It was more about her personal image then sticking up for me getting bullied. In a 1980's Tampa Bay Florida southern draw after watching the mini tv series " Noth & South," .. ( But I do digress.)

[@krispalermo8133]

@@That80sGuy1972 Growing up my grandma play horseshoes with 35lb car tires, and my grandpa and the men of the family played horseshoes with 50lb truck tires and I grew 6ft tall power lifting but I never really put on any weight or muscle bulk. As a country boy without internet, we did some unbelievable pranks over the years. In my thirties I worked as a tire inventory worker, and I could do a Moai dance holds 300lbs of 6 truck tires with three on each arm. Parlor trick. Muscle tension and object weight momentum. Swat down and put one tire on your shoulder and standup and repeat a few times to create body muscle twitch tension. Now put two tires on your arm and repeat, you can place four 50 lb tires on your arm totaling over 200lbs. You hold a tire in your hand and toss lift upward and the tire weight pulls your arm/ body upward. As you stand lift with the other ties on your arm & shoulder, they pull up body up and off balance. Trick is to control your balance and for a brief moment it looks like you are lifting 200lb of rubber into the air with one arm. When done right you just toss 50lb into the air and lifted 100lb with your arm and the fourth tire is resting on your shoulder. Start from a swat position and lift stand for barely a second and it looks like a 200lb lift upper cut punch and down back down quickly and gracefully as to not put any weight strain on your spine. All a momentum trick, but still as a teenage I had around a 600lb calf lift, currently a 200lb lean muscle body mass on a 6ft frame, and a ..well .. a 200 lb upper cut. So I do know how to throw my body weight around. Climbing up between two tire racks, and trying to pull a tire out of a rack with a few hundred pounds on each side is a f-cking workout. Along with being with 5 guys pushing a service truck slightly up hill into a motor garage is a pain in the backside as your chest is pressed against a hell of a lot of steel. Life is all about body conditioning. And I have nerve damage. I was busy one day lacing tires, I grabbed four tires on one arm to toss swing carry them to the next spot. I moved the tires and they moved me off my feet into the air sideways like I was ring toss by a professional wrestler and landed on the floor of a semi-trailer. Needless to say the boss had to sit down cause he was having such a good laugh. All true it really happen. Ever seen what happens to a teenager pushing/shove/tackling 400lb of tires hanging roped to a few tree branches for stability ? It is f-cking Loony Toons the whole way. What dumbazz will stand in a group of teenagers and play Hot Potato with a truck tire ?

[@That80sGuy1972]

@@krispalermo8133 I almost want to take a DNA test with you to see if we are related and see how closely we are... more than just our similar walks despite very different backgrounds, but my dad was a bit of a spreader of his own DNA, as was his dad and most of the men on my mom's side. Well, you ended up far more positive. That aspect really brings a smile to my face... then gets me mad at the people who screwed me up as a kid all over again... d^mn thoughts always going back to me, me, me, me... meh... toxic mental habit. My favorite aspect is how you immediately understood the x-ray vision thing. Do you have any idea how many people think I am talking about some comic book power instead of a learned minds' eye thing, even if I explain it first? The intrusive aspect that pops up is annoying... well, not always, often gets annoying. I learned it via learning how to hurt people (to my shame), you learned it as a wonderful skill you can apply to nice things (art)... color me envious. And you are right about life being about body conditioning... something I neglected for decades at this point. I know people far less "broken" than me who are quite a bit less able... I can pass as not being broken most of the time. So there are some conditioning embers still radiating a wee bit of heat and smoke. And doesn't your favorite parlor trick still bring a smile to your face? I can still do the iron skin blocking kata on my belly really well, nowhere else effectively. A year ago, while drinking at the bar I work at after work, I got a lot of other patrons to laugh at a huge meathead (after challenging him) to hurt his hand by punching me in the gut. It still bruised my skin but that didn't show up until the next day. When he was cradling his hand, pretending it didn't hurt (he curled his hand for the punch too), I said "Okay, I'm ready... punch me in the gut." and took another swig of my beer. Drunk/buzzed me is a bit more of an a-hole. WTF? I'm ranting again. Back to my original point, don't you see my boggle? The Vulcan heart being in our liver area, not at all shielded by the rib cage. WTF is the evolutionary reason for that? That would make them easy-kill all the way, more so than the liver being there... lacerating a liver there, or brutalizing it, you could kill your attacker and defend your kin long enough for them to escape... but a heart, you are a corpse before you hit the ground. So, what is it? Is the Vulcan heart some super-organ that's hard to hurt if hit directly, like our eyes, or is it something larger, slower to malfunction, with marvelous recuperative ability, like our liver?

[@greyhawk4898]

I remember hearing somewhere Vulcan wasn't always a desert but war destroyed it. That's why they turned to logic to control their high emotions and violence.

[@UATU.]

I enjoyed this, thank you. I’ve been watching this Pon Farr spoof for years, if you haven’t seen it I hope it makes you smile: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmTdo6uKnrythJY

[@timmooney2766]

Yes I would encourage all starship captains to enlist a Vulcan into their crew. If not as a Number One, at least as a logician, to aid in the many difficult decisions needed on a galactic vessel.

[@keirfarnum6811]

“Live awhile and do okay.” 🖖🏻

[@netgnostic1627]

Since Sargon and his kind were able to transfer both Kirk's and Spock's "life force" into the receptacles tells me that humans have the equivalent of a katra as well. The soul-swapping technology used in Turnabout Intruder also demonstrates this. So I'd say the human soul is real in the Star Trek universe.

[@signaltome]

Would I take a Vulcan aboard my ship? In a heartbeat! I mean, at least in earlier times I might check up on the character first but in Federation established times I would not even hesitate. Though I guess Trek has shown that even in the future, all parts of a species is not "the same". Like Lon Suder from Voyager which had issues with violence and homocidal tendensies, which could probably have been more effectively treated if the ship was closer to home as it were. With help from Tuvok he found inner piece, sadly it was fairly short lived. We also have the logically mad Vulcan in DS9s seventh season, shooting smiling, happy people because he is not. Or something like that. Poiunt being that even in an enlightened galaxy, some people still falls through the cracks. Especially under extreme circumstances like being stranded in an other quandrant far from home or in a war shredded Federetation. So maybe I shouldn't take on a Vulcan crewmate out of the blue? (Out of the red?) Nah, I'll take my chances. 😀 I LOVE Vulcans, they are one of my favorite Trek species. Like Twi'leks are for Star Wars. Yes, I like both. Deal with it! 😛

[@signaltome]

@@subraxas In many ways I can agrer, at least during Empire. But there are lots more to the twi'lek culture than dancers and slavers during peaceful'ish times of the Republic. If you either follow legens canon or new established canon, they have deep lore as a people and was known as a generally peaceful society. 🤔😁

[@dragonsword7370]

Wait a sec. That light-years distance katra tp connection in Disco S1 was based on a phenomenon seen in TOS?

[@theinvertedpilgrimage8742]

I wonder how the univrsal translater they use in star trek could theroeticly work.

[@XXTacoBellLovaXX]

I’m not kidding when I say that 2:45 jump scare with earphones made me think the rapture was happening

[@joemummerth8340]

so , vulcans are basically highly advanced space ! elves ! lol

[@bradameerbeg2154]

Great video.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Brad!

[@hdjksa52]

If I was a star ship captain, will I recruit a Vulcan to work on my crew? That's a very difficult question. I am a Terran from the 20th/21st century. I have learned not to give individuals the opportunity based on their race (or species).

[@CONSOLETRUTH2]

I have a question hopefully someone can answer. If a Vulcan's 3x strength over humans is mostly due ti vulcan gravity being greater, then if a Vulcan were to be born on earth would they still be as strong even though earth's gravity is weaker. Assuming of course they were born and also grew up on earth? Or due to 1,000s of generations being born on vulcan prior to them achieving spaceflight, would the extra strength be encoded into their dna and thus still be as strong regardless if where they are born and grew up?

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

There's a theory about most of the humanoid species of Star Trek having a common, space faring ancestor. Wish I could find the damn video.

[@Renee-403]

TNG episode, The Chase.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

@@Renee-403 OMG that was the episode the video was about. I think it was a Steve Shives video if I remember right. Thank You.