Soviets Who Helped the Nazis

[@TheArmchairHistorian]

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[@NATO4623]

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[@aleksk5534]

WHAT you think about FRANCE COLLABORATION

[@jokodihaynes419]

The way Stalin treated ukrainians and others nationalities i don't blame them for switching sides

[@familygash7500]

That doesn't justify their mass murder of Poles and Jews.

[@letecitoster3469]

this.

[@The_Indo_Aryan]

Real

[@dartraider8048]

He treated us, ukrainians, normaly. Same way as other nationalitys

[@bin_ich_ichoder_bin_ich_du8658]

Yeah but the u realize the nazi treat ur people even worse

[@gigrichie3313]

My grandpas brother use to be a Red Army soldier once. In 1942 in the frontlines of the Belarus he have been lost. After that my grandpa was sent to the frontline, and fought for Caucasus, then got injured in Maikop in 1943. Then in 1944, when Red Army soilders reached the Warsaw, they found the body of my grandpas brother laying on the street, he wore in the Weirmacht uniform and was fighting in 1/111 "Donmez" batallion of Azerbaijani Legion against soviets. When my grandpa heard this news in the Mahackala hospital, he felt anger and pain, but there was nothing to do... my grandpa died in 1971, because of sepsis. This story he told to my dad, and my dad told it to me. I think, it's awful to face purge from your goverment or be excecuted by the enemy, but much worse is, to fight against your brother...

[@xxsteve666xx2]

nah

[@abhinandkrishna3430]

@@xxsteve666xx2 tf you mean nah?

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

@@gigrichie3313 they were both fighting for the monsters

[@noahjohnson935]

​@@abhinandkrishna3430 he's probably a "Redpill" Neo

[@istoppedcaring6209]

the nazis were such dogmatic morons that they couldn't even exploit hatred for the stalin regime when handed to them on a silver platter. they showed their true weakness when they didn't uphold the geneva convention for russian soldiers (even if that went both ways) instead allowing millions to starve in captivity, they could have supported the POA and manpower would be handed to them on a silver platter but they essentially worked against free manpower. offcourse that is exactly what made them bad to begin with, if they had been less dogmatic they wouldn't even have gone to war or at least not in that way

[@VCMEntertainments]

The russian revolution and civil war ended some 18 years prior Operation Barbarossa. So for many people that sided with the white army or other national factions that had to live under soviet rule the german invasion was seen as the chance for a course-correcture.

[@shubhnamdeo2865]

those who sided with the Nazis quickly realized how much worse they were than Stalin.

[@flakka1685]

And it would have, if not for Hitler’s mistakes, delays and winter

[@MuhammadIbrahim-ij5jb]

Sergey Taboritsky

[@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ]

​​@@flakka1685or his inability to put ideology aside for strategic value. There were people who welcomed the Germans as liberators from the brutal tyranny of Stalin and his Bolsheviks. Particularly nationalities like the Ukrainians. And yet, Hitler not only allowed, he ordered his troops to act with the outmost brutality and refused to allow 700,000 Russian volunteers to fight on the German side. These acts further solidified Stalin's grip on his people 😢 So when the Germans laid siege to Leningrad, the Soviets weren't willing to even hear of surrender

[@slavicemperor8279]

Big problem for the Germans is that the vast majority of White Army generals and leaders in exile condemned Barbarossa and refused any and all collaboration with Germans. They initially wanted Karbyshev- an Imperial Russian officer, to lead the collaborationist formation. But Karbyshev hated German racial politics and was obviously opposed to genocidal and expansionist Third Reich plans for USSR, so he was frozen alive by Germans. And instead, they took Vlasov. A crooked opportunist who used to be a hardcore communist. They never fully trusted Vlasov and there were correct in that, considering he did switch sides by helping Czech communists in Prague.

[@klingoncowboy4]

My Great Uncle was a Soviet Soldier who fought in Stalingrad he was captured twice and he escaped capture twice. Ultimately he ended up fighting in Berlin as well and agreed the war lived on to his 80s.

[@klingoncowboy4]

Meanwhile I also have a distant cousin who willingly joined the Nazis after the Nazis invaded... he didn't live long after the war and following liberation many collaborators like him were murdered in reprisals by their victims

[@SHADESofSICARIO]

He was probably a liar and coward who just made that story up.

[@ElBandito]

Soviet Union (mostly Russians) led by a Georgian vs. the 3rd Reich (mostly Germans) led by an Austrian.

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

Before ww2, no one really considered Austrians and Germans a separate people

[@emilturangi7145]

Stalin considered himself "russian"

[@RacelKatyusha]

​@@emilturangi7145"Considered"

[@emilturangi7145]

@@RacelKatyusha And I hope the history will remember him so. Stalin dasn't deseve to be part of Georgian nation, they are good people and Stalin is giving them a bad name.

[@RacelKatyusha]

@@emilturangi7145 but you can't just change history, it's like saying hitler was german

[@unkownhistory7660]

Imangine being a georgian collaborator knowing their fellow and georgian citizen Jugasvilli will give no mercy

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

Stalin was not a Georgian citizen, he never lived in Georgia when it was independent

[@MuddieRain]

(Stalin for those who don’t know)

[@olegshtolc7245]

@@giorgijioshvili9713don’t try to distance Stalin from Georgia . He was loved there ,even so when Khrushchev denounced him there were riots in Georgia

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@olegshtolc7245 many People though that Khrushchevs anti-stalin policies were anti-Georgian policies thats why there were major protests in major cities, it evantualy turned into independent protests and kicked started Georgian independence movemant leaded by Zviad gamsakhurdia and Merab kostava

[@xXFlameHaze92Xx]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 sorry, but yeah, he was Georgian, and being Georgian did not stop him with his neighbourhood buddy lavrenti beria from brutally punishing and murdering his own people. That doesnt mean all Georgians are like stalin or like stalin. The same applies for Germany, germans and the chap with the funny mustache

[@polargray1]

IIRC some collaborators were even White Army veterans and émigrés who saw this as a second chance against the Reds An entire unit was even formed, having over 4000 men called the "Russian National People's Army" or the "RNNA", primarily led by émigrés who had ties with an American-based Russian fascist Anastasy Vonsiatsky

[@Palach624]

Most important white army veterans were in exile in Serbia and most refused to collaborate with Germans. It was just a tiny fraction that did

[@wallachia4797]

@@Palach624 The vast majority of whites fled to China and ended up staying in Manchuria in cities such as Harbin.

[@ordinaryrat]

Samara. if you know you know.

[@concept5631]

NTO? ​@user-gw6yw6hr9h

[@borisogradkin8072]

@@Palach624 most of whites and empire elites live in Europe. White movement was facist in the begining (Pyotr Stolypin, Ivan Ilyin and other) so its normal for them to support anti comunists movement with Gitler. Even Britain and France support his plans from begining but something wen wrong. Moreover, purges in the USSR in 1937-1938 were carried out to eliminate White elements from the army and government. Also, part of the peoples who could potentially go over to the side of the Nazis (for example, Cossacks) were subject to resettlement.

[@MM-ze3sb]

Just friendly reminder to all who cry about "tried liberate Russia from commies". Half of them was punishers who slaughtered civilians and resistance. Not just in USSR, but in Poland, France, Czechoslovakia etc Just ask any human in Poland about Kaminski and his dogs. Despite Kaminski was killed by germans (even for them he was a cruel dick, lol) his men became a part of Russian Liberation Army....

[@TimothyFisher-kf7cq]

I feel like it’s still important to note that when it came to the partisan war, the vast majority of Soviet civilians, at least ethically Russian ones and many Belarusians & Ukrainians as well, willingly supported the partisans because most of them identified way more with their own countrymen than their occupiers, most of whom didn’t care for their wellbeing and in many cases were actively trying to exterminate them.

[@onemanwithin]

Yes, but this guy will not say that.... ...

[@Birdman369]

Belarus was particularly notable as the local partisans were very well organized and controlled roughly 60% of the country (mostly rural areas and wilderness) by 1943.

[@FrankThings-t2c]

That is true, although I'd imagine that was one of the toughest calls to make. Being starved to death on your own land by some dictator's crazed command economy fantasy must've been only very, VERY slightly preferable to getting evicted and exterminated for another dictator's genocidal colonial fantasy.

[@kg7162]

​@@Birdman369plus the almost annihilation of the belarusian population by the Nazi

[@vanfja]

True. Also the Germans were openly terrible towards slavs, whereas the Soviets had much more propaganda and suppression of information, so that the locals still do not know how bad their own regime was towards them to this day.

[@KamsiyonnaEzepue]

Also, it's so ironic that Hitler refers to other races as subhuman when the Germans were originally known as babarians during the age of the Roman Empire

[@freezy8593]

Prussians…

[@capncake8837]

And Prussians (Hitler wasn’t one, but he seemed to emulate and admire them) specifically were often seen as cold, brutality-minded militarists.

[@ЕвгенийКостенко-д4ч]

Just a thread of manipulation

[@spenceramey406]

@@capncake8837 Right, before the German unification in the 1880s. Such German states in the south such as Bavaria , Baden-Wurttenburg and so on. Had that view of the Prussians.

[@longwlenguyen4214]

Funny enough when Himmler went on an obsession of archaeology find to prove German superiority in the ancient past, it anger Hitler and mocked Himmler for only prove that the German were a bunch of Barbarians living in huts while the Roman and Greek lived in marble mansions, so in a way Hitler self aware about German past.

[@Benjamin_Bratten]

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, a Ukrainian nationalist what his grandpa was doing from 1941-1945.

[@rhysnichols8608]

Probably trying to liberate his homeland from Stalinist oppression? There is no moral high ground here, both the Soviets and axis did horrendous things,

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@rhysnichols8608 Problem with that is while the soviets where bad. The Germans where going on a genocide run.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@RomanHistoryFan476ADTbf in those villages their practically the same, with hindsight we know the Germans would’ve annihilated everyone, but at that time German civilian policies were largely not implemented

[@jayzandstra1830]

or the entire ethnic groups in the caucausus mountain lmfao

[@rhysnichols8608]

@@RomanHistoryFan476AD The Soviets killed more Ukrainians in 1 year between 1933-34 than the German collaborators killed in the whole war.

[@alpharius6206]

Soviet collaborators get extremely overhyped, but germans that switched sides and helped soviets get overlooked. Convenient isn't it? Guys like Fritz Schmenkel for example, that defected to partisans and fought with them. Or that same Paulus, who joined "national committee for free germany" and lived the rest of his life in GDR. Not even saying that locals from liberated territories would have their own national corps formed, like the polish people's army led by Zygmunt Berling. Why no one talks about them? Oh right, these just show that commies are not bloody fanatics that kill everyone for fun so people go against them every moment they have a chance lmao.

[@wander67]

Because,you know, the red menace!!!! Stalin ate millions of ukrainen children!!!!! USA simply uses communism as a boogie man to justify spreading american influence in entire world. And showing communist as humans goes against their agenda.

[@СергейТурутин-ч6г]

Ну да как бы существовал комитет "Свободная Германия" , там из нацистов создали коммунистов еще более коммунистов чем были в СССР, они искренне верили в идею и делали все для этого и очень болезненно восприняли предательство Горбачева

[@Osama_Zyn_Laden]

😅 leave out the fact that most of them were Jewish

[@astrominer11]

Also there were Soviet Germans who fought for USSR even tho their families were deported to Siberia

[@lexiusugrymius9392]

Эти факты слишком неудобные.

[@Insanir]

"For England, James?" - Alec Trevelyan, 006

[@jgv2699]

"No, for me." - James Bond, 007.

[@javierganzarain4559]

"Not exactly our finest hour..."

[@kilppa]

Exactly what came to my mind as well. A special movie for Sean Bean; he survived almost until the very end.

[@PetrBojovnik]

Vlasov signed the capitulation of the ROA in the city of Nepomuk. From what I heard, the pen with which he signed the surrender was also left there.

[@miles-eq3hv]

Bro they switched teams half way through the game...

[@Anti_NAQ]

😂🤣

[@olegshtolc7245]

@@miles-eq3hv auto balance

[@TacitusKilgore-b5g]

And still lost

[@TaylorBloomqvist]

Ever heard of co-belligerents? People and countries don’t just swap sides likes that. The Germans were highly untrustworthy of the Ukrainians and Russians that would join their ranks and fight with them. Same with the Allies, still treating the Italian republic as an axis nation and punishing as such at the end of the war.

[@Anti_NAQ]

@@TaylorBloomqvist it's a joke

[@dd5083]

The amount of people showing support to Nazi collaborators are insane. Sure the Soviets treated their subjects badly, but the Nazis planned for a literal ethnic cleansing that would make the Holocaust forgettable. Also, its not like these collaborators didn't commit numerous atrocities against their own people.

[@davianoinglesias5030]

I have been in a war so I know that there is no morality in war. When your kids have gone hungry for 3 days and both sides of the conflict have their guns trained on you(in my case Government troops and Rebels) then all morality is gone. You simply agree with the lesser evil

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

Ask any old person in a post soviet country what their parents thought of collaborators. They are almost exclusively abhorrently cruel bastards. To see so much support for them is disheartening.

[@Gujjarkinginescapable]

The world was the darkest from 1914 to 1945 War poverty disease that period was utter hell

[@hilairebelloc3368]

Let's not forget the subsequent forty-four years.

[@concept5631]

​@@hilairebelloc3368 It wasn't nearly as bad.

[@TheSupart91]

bruh Europe has literally been at war since beginning of time ............. theyve never really had a break until after ww2.........pre ww1 there was the franco prussian war napoleon wars etc.....

[@hilairebelloc3368]

@@concept5631 I can assure you that for a person in Eastern Europe, Africa, or even China, the post-WWII years were vastly worse than the preceding twenty.

[@dazdje]

​@@hilairebelloc3368 I mean for china that's debateable, I'd say it's just as bad to be shot by a japanese soldier as it is to get shot by a soldier from your own country

[@chmoyeban]

Может они расскажут сколько французов, бельгийцев, чехов, словаков, венгров, хорватов, боснийцев, болгарцев, македонцев, румын, датчан, финнов, норвежцев, англичан, поляков, литовцев, эстонцев, латышей, голландцев, перешло на сторону германии во время второй мировой? Правда перед многими из вышеперечисленных даже не стояло выбора перейти на сторону рейха или умереть, в любом случае это общая победа, но затемнять плохие стороны остальных стран и показывать с плохой стороны лишь определённые, очень мерзко и раболепно.

[@КириллФедоров-и5ч]

Недоощененный комментарий. Очень удручает то, что люди действительно все еще верят в антисоветские байки времён холодной войны, из-за чего в этом хаосе лжи теряются судьбы реальных людей, которые действительно могли пострадать при советской власти (необязательно намеренно).

[@walnzell9328]

Slavs: We will fight with you for our freedom! The Nazis (notable for their unwavering hatred for Slavs but in need of manpower): Yes... freedom.

[@rizzoforgo865]

MAXIM 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less. -Schlock Mercenary

[@creely123]

The irony is many slavs fought with them. So your point is illogical and unhistorical.

[@gabork5055]

I think it's more like certain Slavs. Like East-Slavs Hitler suspected of being mixed Mongol-Russians and such. But it always changed depending on what he needed for sure. He also had a very diverse set of people in the SS. There's a rumor Hitler wanted to sterilise himself as he didn't see himself as 'Aryan' but i don't see any evidence it would be any more than a rumor. Apparently he didn't see quarter Jews (or less than quarter, can't remember)as people to be eradicated since he probably thought in his lifetime those people will assimilate to the main population and their genes will mostly disappear. (since that's a possibility, happens all the time called the founder-effect) Others maybe didn't see another choice or some might have been nihilists, people like Dirlewanger aren't exclusive to Germans.

[@dapperbunch5029]

Muh Marvel bad guys?

[@walnzell9328]

@@creely123 You hear guys? The Nazis were fine with Slavs! They didn't have any problems with them! None whatsoever! They certainly didn't take Slavs into the military purely out of necessity! Nope! The Nazis would never discriminate against Slavs! They definitely did not have any ulterior motives! They were very inclusive!

[@tavish4699]

im listening to a german tank commanders memoirs atm and he recalled one story of his gunner their tank had been in repair and the crew had nothing to do so the gunner volounteered to be the gunner on a mechanized vehicle which had to drive some place further away he said on a crossroads there suddently was german soldiers that told them that the direction they wanted to go was unpassable as there was a minefield now the gunner thought to himself that that was pretty odd to mine one of the key roads in the area even though they were far behind the frontline then the second machinegunner from behind came forward and said hey man, those guys are wearing the same Divisional collar taps as my friend hans But hans was captured in stalingrad 1943......! Without thinking the gunner swung his machinegun around screamed "its a trap!" then the soldiers raised their rifles and he knew for sure he cut one in half with his machine gun and killed the other 4 aswell those men were part of this same group, Komitee freies deutschland they called themselves

[@maximusmelton3554]

What's the name of the memoir

[@obiwankenobi5769]

17:38 that line is poetically sad and real

[@crisgetcrucified6972]

Mass Genocide is definitely wrong. He's trying to blur the line to make Nazis look less bad.

[@paulskowronski9509]

Yet tragically that’s how it was for many during the Nazi occupation of the many countries under the regimes rule not to mention the horrific acts committed by their own countrymen who collaborated with the regime it literally tore families apart but yet what little choice did they have it was either that or face starvation

[@dmitriyrozhdestvenskiy2826]

Yep, lets pity those who exterminated Slavic population. Among Jewish, Gypsy and others. Who made "dirty work" as "sub-humans" and gained benefits from their new owners.

[@GoldenEagle940]

I have been wanting for a video like this, since we all saw the soldiers who were captured by East and West even those deserted, and those put on trial, thank you armchair historian, you keep and made history sacred

[@talizorahnarrayya001]

Glad you did a video on this. Most people don't know about the cossaks. Or the ROA.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Yeah.

[@gnas1897]

Most Cossacks still fought for the USSR though and participated in the 1945 parade with proper Cossack uniforms.

[@talizorahnarrayya001]

@@gnas1897 True, but we can't forget the many people who fought for the third reich for many reasons, be that ideological or revenge against Stalin or pure opportunistic and self serving, whatever their reasons. There was thousands of Slavic soldiers who fought for the Axis powers. And are apart of history, no matter how ugly and uncomfortable that truth may be. Every war has it's traitors.

[@gnas1897]

@@talizorahnarrayya001 unfortunately. It is what it is.

[@jakg4]

10:46 That German soldier looks so happy

[@Spacemongerr]

6:22 In Norwegian, "Ostlegionen" translates to "The Cheese Legion" 😄

[@pennyjoker8999]

Are you Norwegian? "Ost" just means "East" in German and "Legionen" means "Legions". I know that because I myself am German. It is interesting to see that our languages have such differences, even though they have the same roots!

[@Spacemongerr]

@@pennyjoker8999 Ja, ich komt aus Norwegen. Ich weiss was das bedeutet, ich spreche etwas Deutsch, aber es ist trotzdem lutzig 😃 "Ost" auf Deutsch ist "øst" auf Norwegisch (Ø is pronounced like the u in English "burn"). -en as a suffix marks it as being in definite form. Since the word is male, the plural is -er, and the definitive plural is -ene (legion = legion, legioner = legions, legionen = the legion, legionene = the legions) Other words in German or Dutch can become funny because of this. I once saw a small notice in a window of a shop in the Netherlands, it started with "BESTE MENSEN!". In Dutch this means "Best people!", or an English speaker would say "Good people!" or "Good folk!" as an introduction. In Norwegian, it means "(This is) The best menstruation!" So it looked like they were really happy about that months results and wanted to announce it 😄

[@vilmomoccolosso9824]

Not a word about 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)??? "Nice work" buddy

[@BoDAssassin]

Is he obligated to talk about every single SS division?

[@vilmomoccolosso9824]

@@BoDAssassin God forbid. Let's just mainly concentrate on Russian collaborators

[@Ye-lx3rz]

@@BoDAssassinso we should forget about those who show the most animosity towards the other nations such as Jews,Polish and ethnic Russian?

[@cobbleturd6978]

​@vilmomoccolosso9824 well considering it's a video about soviet collaborators, I think that's fair

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

Its insane he didn't talk about SS Galicina.

[@mcmax571]

I read a book from a German officer who worked with Osttruppen and was an aid to Gen. Vlasov and he said that they could have made a real difference in the war against the USSR. The ethnic minorities that looked on the Germans as liberators and Anti-Stalinist Russians could have been an even more formable force for Germany if they were given better treatment and pledges of political autonomy. But he concludes that would have never happened for it was not a German army that invaded the Soviet Union but a Nazi one and all Slavs were untermenschlich even those on their side.

[@sthrich635]

The "untermenschlich" was also Hitler ideological excuse to order generals not bother with these volunteers. Hitler and German High Command knew they already had more than enough under-equipped allies in form of Romanians, Hungarians, and Italians and more. They had hundreds of thousand men but comparative little effective heavy weaponry like AT guns to properly fight against Soviet armies. What Hitler didn't need was another extra hundred thousands of dubious Russian volunteers that further diverting what little weapons Germans could spare, these weapons would better off going to actual Axis allies covering their flanks. Not to mention the German plan in invasion of Russia include the seizing the food and other essential materials back to Germany - the German leadership never had any plan or desire to sustain such large number of civilians there, hence the population reduction policies. The fact that Germany's economy required such policies to continue the war meant keeping the Russians on their good side were impractical as best, so why bother?

[@КириллФедоров-и5ч]

And you really believe? He can write that for them own reasons, for show themselve like a hero, you don't think?

[@willum-463]

So happy to see an upload

[@joaoborges2167]

Woah. This might be one of your best videos yet! Really love it when these short documentaries choose to shed more light into the deep moral conundrums and loyalty dilemmas people find themselves in when war arrives at their doorstep. Perhaps it would be interesting to make a video, in the same vein, about the natives who sided with colonial authorities during the independence conflicts that bled through Africa during the 50's-70's. Can't say I know much about the French or the English, but the Portuguese case would be an interesting one, that's still controversial: Portugal made use of thousands of their colonized, their collaboration being a key reason for the war lasting as long as it did, and some of these collaborators performed EXTREMELLY WELL; the most decorated militaryman in Portugal's history is Marcelino da Mata, a Black man from Guinea-Bissau (he died 3 years ago). However, when the war ended and the time came for the colonies to be granted independence, Portuguese citizenship and a new home in the country they had fought for was refused to the majority of these native troops, who would end up either executed by their new governments or live the following decades in civil wars, a stain in the recent post-dictatorship history of the country that, unfortunately, doesn't get addressed at all (you could change that, ahah ,😉).

[@AOT_HxH95]

What happened in Volhynia is what I call the European Rwanda. Polish youtuber Arkadiusz Olszewski made a great animated documentary on what happened there in 1943.

[@ernestous]

Would you expect an objective view from a polish?

[@tkm238-d4r]

Thanks for the info. This incident was practically forgotten in the West because Ukrainian nationalism was never seen as important in the Anglo-West after the end of the war. Much of the reminder on Volhynia came as a backlash after the not-very-clever MSM tried to remake the Ukrainian Azov Bandera Maidan ultras as a bunch of freedom-loving civic liberal democrats.🙄🙄 A reason why Orban was skeptical of Ukrainians was that during the Cold War, a sizable number of Soviet troops in the Soviet bloc were Ukrainians and they were practically indistinguishable from Russians.

[@AOT_HxH95]

@@tkm238-d4r Your welcome. It's funny how the MSM works.

[@xxvxxv5588]

@@tkm238-d4r Orban doesnt understand that ethnic Ukrainian soldiers were in Hungary because Ukrainian lands were occupied and because of this Ukrainians were forced to serve in the Soviet army. Hungarians in the conditions of the socialist sphere at least had their own formally sovereign state, while Ukrainians were completely governed from Moscow. Ukrainian nationalism is strongly criticized in the West, there is no need to create illusions. Especially among left-leaning people who are generally against any nationalism for ethnic Europeans. Moreover, there is even a tendency to attack Ukrainian nationalism more strongly than Russian nationalism.

[@tkm238-d4r]

@@xxvxxv5588 Not sure what you meant by Ukrainian lands being occupied since the concept of Ukraine was historically vague and more of a geographical expression. After 1240, it was possible that a separate Ukrainian state outside of Kiev-Muscovy could have emerged. However the expansion of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ended that possibility. Subsequently, events from 1654 to 1795 simply shifted the Dnestr-Dnieper zone from Warsaw-Vilnius to Moscow-St Petersburg. Meanwhile the future Bandera-land went from Warsaw to Vienna. The Hungarians understood history very well. At least the Kingdom of Hungary sort of existed for a long time before WW1. A distinct administrative Ukraine did not exist until the formation of Ukraine SSR. This was always the weakness of Bandera-ism, projecting the viewpoint of a marginal region across the whole landmass.

[@JohnMoody-l2d]

I was starting to get worried about you griff , we hadnt got a video for awhile. Amazing as always! Dont make us wait so long next time!

[@AkiZukiLenn]

Ostlegionen ("eastern legions"), Ost-Bataillone ("eastern battalions"), Osttruppen ("eastern troops"), and Osteinheiten ("eastern units") were units in the Army of Nazi Germany during World War II made up of personnel from the Soviet Union.[1] They were a large part of the Wehrmacht foreign volunteers and conscripts.

[@Minboelf]

Imagine switching sides in hopes of saving yourself from your regime only to be recaptured again........

[@FrankThings-t2c]

ngl i feel like there was a missed opportunity to add a reference from Come And See

[@seanmatto2258]

Yeah, I agree. Hopefully he makes a update in the future

[@souperiorart]

There was. though its in the AHTV uncut video, a mugshot of Florya before he was executed

[@RodrigoBurgos-rb5sj]

Man thank you for your videos. May you like to upload a video about the Russian Civil War? This one is a war that has very few good videos on it and you guys are definitely the best to do a great one 😎👍

[@Yamaha38XCRacer]

Like that one gulag journal entry said..” starved corpses are light, you can carry two”..and it had a drawing of a babushka carrying two starved body’s..I gotta find that diary and send it to some museum or something.

[@xconnorgrillox]

This is a lie

[@TheHaydena76]

​@@xconnorgrillox ok mr Goldstein

[@RacelKatyusha]

​@@TheHaydena76 I mean he might be right, because there is no proof

[@TheHaydena76]

@@RacelKatyusha understood:) my apologies

[@RacelKatyusha]

@@TheHaydena76 people lie about what they hate the most, most don't even know what democracy is, or most importantly what communism/socialism is, and they wonder why people they call "Idiots" still become communist or socialist even when they were told countless times that "it is evil dictator and all dies and starve!!!" just straight up hate the thing because your goverment and old hags said so.. i recommand reading all books related to communism, socialism, capitalism, anarchism, basically every related to politics to understand before hating, because even most today politicians don't know what the word "Democracy" and "Freedom" means as it already lost it's meaning Money all the way Money is the god Praise money Or else be left out That is the only truth, gods can be forgotten for money, the true god

[@StephenLuke]

I watched a documentary on WWII and watched footage of Soviet citizens welcoming Nazi German troops into their town and watched statues of Joseph Stalin being torn down.

[@fatdaddyeddiejr]

The BBC's documentary The World at War. The episode called Barbarossa shows that footage. German tanks would roll into towns and villages. And the people in the town would be throwing flowers at them. Some villages even offered German officers bread and salt in welcoming them.

[@ПупПопов]

Most likely that was western ukraine

[@umbrum2]

and they unfortunately suffered for there mistake.

[@StephenLuke]

@@umbrum2 “Their”.

[@OrkosUA]

@@ПупПопов this was all over ussr where Germans came, not only western Ukraine

[@supernovel7514]

I really hate how KZbin isn't enough to support armchair historian. All the censorship and demonitzation sucks.

[@looinrims]

It’s not just that, Google isn’t getting as many ad buyers to advertise because of the insane rates we’ve had for years

[@dmitriyrozhdestvenskiy2826]

Now Vlasov is heroised by some "Nazis" who claim he was fighting against Stalinism (being one of the favourites of him due to his ordinary origin and being an advisor of Chiang Kai-shek in Pekin in 1930-s). He was "lucky enough" to be the defender of Moscow, (despite his absence in a hospital during that, and his HQ representative - colonel Sandalov created the real operation by the time of his "arrival", as he said, he "frozen his ear"). And he also had two wives - one a legal Tatiana (if I'm not mistaken) and a son, a mistress Agnessa Podmazenkso and later after the betrayal - a new wife of the former SS-man to save himself. He knew perfectly during the betrayal he was breaking their lives, as they would be arrested and imprisoned as "the relatives of the people's enemy" - as they even unwillingly had the connection with him. So when he got arrested by Nazis his dying 2nd Army fought feriously in encirclement in Leningrad, but he sold all of them - the location, the equipment, the numbers of the soldiers , tanks and technics, he used to be twicely greeted by Stalin before and was proud of it - he became a vile "anti-communist" and an "anti-Stalinist" in captivity, while meeting Himmler the latest said: "We told to this Russian: after the war you'll receive the general-lieutenant's pension, and for now - here're for you are schnapps, money and women - he sold us everything he knew immediately: that's the way how cheap you can get such "a general". When he left behind his own army trying to run to Americans, being captured by the Soviet intelligence officers, among numerous documents from Nazis that's he's a general, his approvement to make RLA ("ROA" - "Russkaya Osvobodytelnaya Armya" - the "Russian liberation army", or Vlasovites, (Vlasovtsy)), he had a bunch of dollars, a note to American and British Embassy for covering his person - here's the "hero" of all the traitors who fought bravely and courageously against the system, but not the people - that's different 😂. Now the Czech leader wants to establish a monument to him. One can be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

[@korneplodetz8148]

+15 rub

[@vi2sv6]

Что, правда глаза режет, и не совпадает с твоим миром пропаганды? Может тебе про Степана Бандеру еще напомнить, и где его памятники уже стоят?

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

A monument to Vlasov is honestly insane, but there are monuments to Bandera where i live, so i guess this is the norm now.

[@korneplodetz8148]

@yegorgribenuke6853 this is based

[@resonancetides7196]

Shame on you, liberal.

[@Kemot300]

"I think with horror and shame of a Europe divided in two parts by the line of the (river) Bug, on one side of which millions of Soviet slaves prayed for liberation by the armies of Hitler, while on the other millions of victims of German concentration camps awaited deliverance by the Red Army as their last hope." - "A World Apart" by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński

[@rizzoforgo865]

The Eastern Front was truly a grimdark war. Either you fight for one, murderous asshole or another murderous asshole who took up the offer to work with the Allies when the other murderous asshole he worked with to butcher Poland comes for him.

[@RAD1111able]

Herling-Grudziński always hits hard.

[@Красиваясоветскаядевушка]

Out of all the workers from the world, soviet citizens were the only ones that cant be considered slaves, because capitalism didnt enslave them and the workers, thanks to socialism, stood up for themselves

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

I cannot stress enough how mindbogglingly insane the comparison of soviet rule to the PERFECTED CRUELTY that was the concentration camp system. This man has either no idea of what exactly happened in concentration camps or he really really hates the soviets

[@frenchfan3368]

The Daniel Craig film "Defiance" illustrates this collaborator/partisan situation in Russia during World Wat Two quite well.

[@web88554]

I look forward to everyone of your videos!

[@Bear-c4x]

Slavs: “You have liberated us!” Germans: “I wouldn’t say ‘liberated.’ More like ‘under new management.’”

[@dargone3231]

Если пошла такая пляска может ребята расскажут откуда в Германии во время войны был Дизель, Фанта и колеса для военной машины рейха?

[@ЭрвинРоммель-3]

Дизель был румынский и венгерский Фанту они сами сделали Каучук немцы синтезировали

[@dargone3231]

@@ЭрвинРоммель-3 директор Пепси Ко хотел привести колу в Германию. Но из за санкций патоку завести не мог. По этому разработал новый рецепт. Который назвали Fanta . Также директор форд будучи идейным сторонником Адика платил немецкие взносы Германии.

[@ЭрвинРоммель-3]

@@dargone3231 хотел завести, что ад по этому наложил санкции.... Сильно. Форд платил за Гитлера до войны, и лишь в 40 дал безвозмездно грузовики, но так ведь делали и другие западные партнёры, что логично

[@dargone3231]

@@ЭрвинРоммель-3 логично для чего ? Для Анексии Чехословакии или Польши? Будучи уже известным про конц лагеря.

[@OptimisticSturmmann142]

"To demonstrate my power of teleportation, I teleported each half of my body to different places; one going to Moscow, the other to Berlin." - Man in thumbnail, perhaps

[@Alfonse-dm6ht]

He is Kill

[@OptimisticSturmmann142]

@@Alfonse-dm6ht He is flex (seal). Yeah...

[@redknight344]

thats suppose to be a joke?... wow you are clown then

[@caseclosed9342]

And somehow both versions end up in the Canadian parliament in 2023…

[@Neptun19]

Not knowing the history of that war, the author deceives people, passing lies for the truth, shame on such people

[@danny920538]

Calling them Soviet collaborators was a bit confusing. Made it seem like they were collaborating with the Soviets, versus defecting from them.

[@jordanpdoesstuff1688]

12:58 wait a minute, my moms last name is Kaminski and her family is from poland.... Nah, its just a coincidence... Right?.....

[@MPHJackson7]

Probably. A lot of the time, unrelated people have the same last name.

[@mountainhobo]

"Kamiński" (original spelling) is a very common name in Poland. It could mean different things - being from a town or village of similar name, or being a stone mason.

[@rafakrzentowski9549]

these is a theory that he's polish descent, but he hated Poles and helped germans defeat the warsaw uprising

[@YooKkang]

This war was literally a fight for survival.

[@oleg2205]

My ancestor was a soldier in the red army. He was from Ukraine. In his memories, he noticed that a man took rule in his village and communicated with Germans. When the soviets took the village back they were searching for him to kill. But it was no crime he really did, he even supported local partisans with food and cover. Even when USSR won the war it continued to kill innocent people without justice.

[@deviouspirate1374]

Now make one video about American collaboration with Nazis.

[@Emmkkaaa]

wouldn't the video be like 3 minutes long.

[@Unhuman143]

For me the ordinary Soviet people had it worse on WW2, not only invaded by the Axis and suffering their countless atrocities, but also uncared for by the NKVD and Stavka as just mere numbers in the system, is really saddening

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

Modern Russia speaks for itself. A giant dump.

[@commisaryarreck3974]

>Ignoring the Commies and their countless atrocities They were not just "uncared for" that's like claiming the Yathzees treated the jews "uncaringly" as the majority of that inflated number claimed since 1934 starved

[@xxsteve666xx2]

That's what you get for becoming a communist.

[@8-bitstream379]

They weren't mistreated in the army. They were literally fighting for their very existence. Their choice was to either fight or die.

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

@@8-bitstream379 did you forget about the purges lol? And death squads? And sending humans to clear mines without equipment?

[@Atlastheyote222]

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” rings true in the most alarming ways here.

[@bernardbunyi6519]

Hoi4 germany having 50 collab in the union animated

[@legoworksstudios1]

On the part of partisan fighters on the eastern front, a movie i saw that highlights the brutality and complications of the situation is called Come and See. Its about a boy who joins a unit of partisan fighters shortly after the Nazi invasion of Byelorussia. It's dark and not for the faint of heart

[@lexiusugrymius9392]

Nope, it was 1944 at movie, before operation Bagration.

[@akend4426]

While it by no means justifies their collaboration with the Nazis or their atrocities, the way Stalin treated the people of Ukraine and the Baltic states (among others) definitely explains why some of them were so willing to collaborate.

[@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799]

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[@EvenBog]

especially the poles

[@Joe-kq5sw]

Stalin hated everybody, including russians. Why don’t you talk about famine in Russian part of ussr?

[@ВладНоваковський-д2и]

Ah, i dont know.. hmm. Maybe because it wasnt artificial, genius? Like in Ukraine, Kazakhstan?​@@Joe-kq5sw

[@zhasa6225]

@@ВладНоваковський-д2и it was simply incompetence, not a deliberate genocide, what would the soviets profit off if the people just died?

[@DarmoeD88]

Предателей везде хватает. И часто причиной бывает не то, что своих не любят, а просто страх смерти заставляет предать родных.

[@rizzoforgo865]

I honest to God thought that Sergey Taboritsky and the NORM would be showcased, considering that he made the Russian version of Hitler Youth, worked with the SS and begged Goebbels to make him a German citizen and NSDAP party member despite being a Russian Jewish monarchist.

[@Vinn_K]

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend

[@caseclosed9342]

One of those Soviet citizens who collaborated with the Germans was Yaroslav Hunka - a Ukrainian who served in the Galicia Division of the SS during WW2 and later escaped to the West after the war and eventually ended up in Canada where he would find himself receiving two standing ovations in the Canadian parliament in 2023 during a visit by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy…

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Nice.

[@bohdantkachuk8295]

you can judge anyone and you can`t even imagine what soviets did to Ukraine, massive famines, purges, removal of private property as a form, even if you will starve to death its not the germans who attracted ukrainians, its hatred towards soviets

[@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю]

So, what`s wrong?

[@thrwwccnt5845]

based?

[@kayvan671]

​@@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю Everything about that

[@RizzleDizzle783]

I literally just got back from a reenactment with my poa group

[@BigJoe5.0]

Those Soviet prisoners were going to end up dead either way most likely. Whether through the camps or fighting their own people which wouldn't take then back at that point due to being traitors.

[@justacat2]

bro might be a lil passionate about the soviets

[@AlexanderWahler-g5r]

Already liked before watching. Been binge watching your channel for weeks 🫡♥️

[@SanjaysharmaPillalamarri]

all war is hell

[@StephenLuke]

Exactly!!!

[@looinrims]

@@Duck_Man4just let yourself get conquered I guess

[@looinrims]

You do realize one side of the war generally did not choose the war, and either fight or get conquered

[@abbfilmann3735]

No one cares

[@Snaxolotl71]

Fighting against fascism = good Fighting against communism = bad

[@xakerors2279]

Коллаборационизм - это страшное, чёрное пятно в истории России. Которое обсуждается и нынешний день, в основном из-за почитание "героев" в постсоветских республиках. Например, тот-же самый Власов в России обсуждается как предатель родины, который перешёл на сторону врага не из-за идеологических побуждений, а чтобы спасти свою шкуру. Сейчас, например, в западной Украине почитают Бандеру и его сторонников (помните как в Канаде хлопали бывшему солдату SS из западной Украины?). Нацисты им говорили что они получат свободу от сталинского режима, в итоге выполняли грязную работу по вырезанию белорусов, поляков, русских и красноармейцев. Для меня тут нету серой морали, есть наши, а есть предатели неудачники. Но история их увековечила не как предателей, а героев, которые добивались независимости своей страны. И помните, что национализм, разрушает страну из внутри, а крайне правый национализм, обвиняет меньшинства в разрушении страны.

[@Siamskiy_Kot]

+15 рублей и в окоп защищать Курск

[@xakerors2279]

@@Siamskiy_Kot +10 гривен и приказ атаковать Коренево.

[@Siamskiy_Kot]

@@xakerors2279 уже освободили

[@bomj3744]

​​@@Siamskiy_Kot Ты шут или идиот, Про гунько не в курсе или опять скажешь, что это мосфильм, как вам штурм пятёрочки за 3 дня, много еды украли?

[@d1p0n24]

@@Siamskiy_Kot, успокойся, поросенок)

[@kalikob3583]

this was a crazy good video NICE WORK

[@ThatguysHistoricalOutfits]

I’ve always thought it would be a interesting video idea to go over the different partisans of world war 2, from the eastern front to Chinese and Italians.

[@kirayagami_]

Thank you sir ❤❤

[@CARL_093]

i remember a collaborator praised by Canadian parliament recently from this video

[@SalcutanValentina]

Ruzzian troll

[@montyabbas6619]

Dude soviets were evil

[@randomperson3935]

Can you imagine if your Soviet comrade just leads you out in a isolated area for “needed backup,” stops to look at you, and then starts speaking in German saying: *”Fang ihn ein.”*

[@jorgeclarkson8286]

The fact the Germans just decided to say Kossacks were Aryan to suit an agenda says everything about racism and all that crap.

[@arthurndtch4326]

Nice theme for the video, I've been waiting for something like this from you guys👏

[@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict]

Vlasov: help me brother Stalin Stalin: nope Vlasov: *change side* Stalin: so you have chosen death

[@maksimusfay]

if you dive a little deeper than pseudo-historical crap cartoons, you will learn that Vlasov's 2nd Strike Army attacked to lift the siege of Leningrad, they went very deep, but were surrounded. Attempts to unclamp the 2nd Army were made repeatedly, not only because it is a large force that will be lost, but also because it is an opportunity to consolidate the success in lifting the siege of Leningrad.

[@jasperoliger]

@armchair Historian I've always loved your content, but what happened to fire and maneuver? It was a brilliant game with a few easily fixed bugs, Im sad to see you give up on development so quickly 😢

[@FuelTheConqueror]

Another tragic yet well-done video Armchair Historian!

[@TridentKaiser]

I’m really goad Armchair History has gotten into some pretty good content

[@ktnamgyal5741]

Man, the former epic thumbnail changed 😢

[@schmiwtzanmoonsuite]

Why'd you change the thumbnail it was just fine

[@TylerTitcomb]

You should make a video on japanese campaigns in Mongolia

[@itsnotthepizzaguy5225]

Seeing this makes me fascinated how a mod from COH2 took this into light and made a division you can choose for the SS solely uses foreign fighters even the infamous french fighters dubbed SS Charlemagne who fought in the final stand of the reich stag and Berlin as a whole

[@jgv2699]

Dissapointed that this video forgot to mention the Arajs Kommando and it's leaders: Viktor Arajs and the deputy, Herbert Cukers.

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

It's one of those big ironies of life that people who only wanted to be free from murderous monster ended up responsible for horrible war crimes themselves. War really sucks, is what I'm trying to say.

[@hel803]

But the video is about slavs, not Americans.

[@Snaxolotl71]

Stalin was not a murderous monster

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

The Last Hope

[@vm360fly]

Uncut and uncensored behind a paywall = straight dislike

[@minilla3842]

Almost like they need to earn money…

[@Emmkkaaa]

@@minilla3842 gottem

[@thedamntrain5481]

I felt a little betrayed when you said that we can watch for free, but when I clicked on the link it asked be to subscribe to watch

[@Avaricumstudios]

Great video, I like the fact that you give credit to the red army, it is often portrayed like the reason Soviets resisted so fanatically was because of commisars..

[@GreatValueMapleSyrup]

The music at 0:16 sounds like coronation from project wingman lol

[@prinz4279]

My thoughts exactly lmao

[@itsblitz4437]

Is that what it is?

[@prinz4279]

@@itsblitz4437 Most likely not, unfortunately.

[@josemaridabu5015]

Please Do Filipinos Who Also Help The Impirial Japanese Army During WW2 Also Known As "MAKAPILI"

[@tkm238-d4r]

Not a big fan of Japanese collaborators but perhaps the people of SEA had a better reason to collaborate with Japan than the people of USSR collaborating with Germany. Similar to Soviet experience with Germany, the people of SEA realized that the colonialist Allies were the better choice. Of course, once the Japanese left, the colonialist Allies lost favor with the Southeast Asians. So the crucial point was not who was the good guy, but which side was really horrible.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@tkm238-d4rJapanese, it’s unanimously considered by SEA Asians, and Asians that the Japanese were way worse then the colonial governments

[@andrewjgrimm]

What a heck of a time to be releasing a video about Russia being invaded.

[@Igzilee]

3:16 how many Soviet soldiers where there to begin with? 3 million is a massive amount, roughly 2 percent of the entire soviet population

[@Криворожский_сорокопут]

Коллаборационистов из русских было 300 тысяч на 14 млн солдат ркка.

[@hellheaven-zl1wl]

People complain italy switching sides You guys have not seen how many times cossacks switched sides

[@altplusf4show837]

Товарищи, тот, кто также, как и я, верит в то, что тут сидят в комментариях боты и антисоветчики, то я рад, что вы умный и образованный человек.

[@MrPoZiTiViK-dg9zj]

Здесь сидит вся шелупонь натовская

[@RacelKatyusha]

Many people here think the naz1s were better, i wonder why?

[@GeetMonke]

they clearly don't know the history (they're just stupid)

[@CSA_Confederation]

"Be strong in the belief that life is wonderful. Be positive and believe that the Revolution will always win." - Valery Sablin

[@markereeni]

Surgay Taboritsky?

[@ONEisN0THING]

Soviets are councils

[@123undertakerfan]

Translates technically to suggestion yes

[@ONEisN0THING]

@@123undertakerfan Which means not a single soviet helped the Nazis

[@touhoutrash2436]

Guys wake up! The armchair historian uploaded a new video on the Russians joining the Germans!

[@andrewjgrimm]

The Russians joined the Germans in 1939!

[@Communar]

Words of a white general Denikin, about collaborationism. For those who think - that this is a "patriotic act": The former leader of the Whites was contemptuous of the collaborators and noted that "scoundrels, obscurantists and part of the peaceful emigration that they had misled went to bow to the Germans." In November 1943, the elderly general forbade his daughter to meet the fighters of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) of Andrei Vlasov, who were based near the town where the Denikins lived. Marina Denikina recalled that during the days of the Red Army's defeats, her father withdrew into himself, while the defeat of the Wehrmacht near Moscow caused him wild joy - he even took out a decanter with diluted alcohol. «We experienced pain in the days of the army's defeats, although it is called Red, not Russian, and we rejoiced in the days of its victories. And now, while the World War is not over yet, we wish with all our hearts a victorious conclusion that will protect the country from impudent encroachments from outside»