This anomaly had haunted me for decades. Here's my theory of what's happening. Check out all my vids at: www.the-art-of-guitar.com Patreon: / theartofguitar
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@Nightmoore4 жыл бұрын
That’s crazy. That would get Melodyne’d instantly in modern recordings. There’s also a ton of classic rock songs that have the whole band out of tune by less than a half step. Highway to Hell is a perfect example.
@marvintimke39784 жыл бұрын
@@Burnt_Gerbil There are bagpipes in highway to hell? I Never noticed that
@martinhroch3444 жыл бұрын
It has bugged me a lot when I was learning Balls To The Wall.
@TheKingBJ4 жыл бұрын
There some bands who tune in weird frequencies, I've got a buddy who always tunes his guitar to A=450Hz which is about a quarter note sharper
@eukariootti14 жыл бұрын
@@Burnt_Gerbil It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'n' Roll) from 1975's album T.N.T. (AUS) - and 1976's international High Voltage - is the only song with bagpipes. And THAT SONG is tuned one semitone up, i.e. from standard EADGBE up to F A# D# G# C F. Few newer songs and some 200's live performances have instruments tuned one semitone down, on purpose. But all in all, almost everything is in standard tuning. Or with their 1970's albums, in "standard tuning". Album Back In Black (1980) is in actual "official" standard tuning (A4 = 440 Hz). But previous Highway To Hell (1979) is in "standard tuning", i.e. little bit off from 440 Hz. Which is easy to hear, if you try to play along the track.
@cpeduardo214 жыл бұрын
@@Burnt_Gerbil I think you mean It's a long way? Or are there bagpipes on highway to hell?
@zachary46704 жыл бұрын
See what happened is Tony wanted some polytonality in his song
@mehmed65294 жыл бұрын
microtonality? polytonality is the use of multiple key centres
@stars-dz4fj4 жыл бұрын
Mehmed correct me if I’m wrong: tony is playing almost a half-step out of tune from the bass, making the song have 2 key centers=polytonality. it’s microtonal too, but OP isn’t technically wrong i think
@matthewJ1424 жыл бұрын
The thing is because of the synthetic fingertips, he gets a slight harmonic overtone in his notes.
@garyjones70444 жыл бұрын
@@tmbrwn tone fingers is a myth started by the prostitec finger companies so that they could charge outrageous prices for fake fingers.
@alvareo924 жыл бұрын
gary jones that’s what you think.
@franciscoalves32214 жыл бұрын
" Cant play more because of copyright reasons" sad times my friend sad times.
@penttikoivuniemi21464 жыл бұрын
I checked out the recording, and it sounds like there are more than one wonky notes in that riff. That combined with the fact that they play it the same way each time makes me feel like they are intentionally bending out of tune to make it sound creepier.
@DragNetJoe4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I tend to think this is intentional. Iron Man is out of tune because...Iron Man sounds creepier and more robotic out of tune.
@trendyasdabbers4 жыл бұрын
Duh?
@Les5374 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed. He does it all the time. You just bend the root a bit on a fuzz powerchord and there you go.
@periurban4 жыл бұрын
Of course. He always played it that way.
@AF-fb6yp4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I also think it was intentional. Tony and Geezer knew exactly what they were doing.
@jameshetfield63674 жыл бұрын
Brooo thank u for this vid I’ve been wondering about this for so long.
@sniffrat36464 жыл бұрын
Try Fairies Wear Boots! I think a lot of 70's rock bands just tuned to each other. Or maybe the tape was running a bit fast, who knows...
@Justin_Case694 жыл бұрын
Fairies Wear Boots is a perfect example of what he is talking about. Intro is "out of tune" in random places. Bridge before main solo sounds mostly "right", but when Tony played it the second time before the song's end it's way more off. You'd never probably hear it just by listening to the song, it all becomes clear when you try to play along, but that's the real magic in them! I would never "fix" them. Btw. try to play Page's solo from "Heartbreaker", it's almost half step higher than it should be ;D
@Cruly_lawbreaker4 жыл бұрын
Or they just played poorly and applied too much pressure to strings
@dariovargas88434 жыл бұрын
The second thing is more reasonable Kiss have done that on purpose but un reverse
@noahkristensen62253 жыл бұрын
I love this song!! It's so hard to learn though
@chnacr22 жыл бұрын
@@dariovargas8843 I realized that when I was trying to play along to "I Was Made For Loving You". Almost pulled my hair out before it dawned upon me that they were certainly messing with the tape speed all over the song
@didds88694 жыл бұрын
The fact that Tony was using prosthetics probably contributed too. He likely wasn't able to control the pressure of his fingers as much
@Pfaeff4 жыл бұрын
@Zizzi's Genetics What part?
@RufusLoacker4 жыл бұрын
@Zizzi's Genetics What? No, he really used them
@brianpritchett73434 жыл бұрын
@Zizzi's Genetics So Tony made it up?
@Impulse21s4 жыл бұрын
@Zizzi's Genetics Lol he's literally shown them and told the story dozens of times. Oops.
@StevenAMckayAuthor4 жыл бұрын
That's what he says in the video?
@chaytoncarle77674 жыл бұрын
Same goes for the following songs: Metallica - For Whom the Bell Tolls Kiss - I Was Made For Loving You AC/DC - Highway to Hell
@mnaeslund4 жыл бұрын
The whole Ride the Lightning album is tuned higher to 444hz or 453hz, depending on the song
@anlbasaran79474 жыл бұрын
The reason any song from Metallica’s Ride The Lightning sound a bit out of tune, is that they make it sound that way on purpose while mixing. The producer of the album, Flemming Rasmussen, admitted that bands did that to sound more thrashy back then.
@andykromer35294 жыл бұрын
For Metallica, that was actually the result of speeding up the tape during mixing that raised the pitch of the entire band.
@Spacemutha4 жыл бұрын
All of the Peace Sells album as well.
@uome20bukz4 жыл бұрын
Kill ‘Em All and And Justice For All are the same way. You can’t play along to One or Harvester or Blackened without adjusting your tuning. Kill, Ride and Justice are all fucked up that way throughout. Puppets is the only normal one of the four.
@totaltwit4 жыл бұрын
Yeh I realised I "fret" to hard, I hear my chords sounding horrible, I self-check and realise for some reason I'm really pressing way too hard on the string. Ease off, pitch resumed and chords sound great again.
@Les5374 жыл бұрын
Try going up a gauge, maybe.
@nehemiahzo_4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, definitely press lighter. The string should barely touch the fretboard, the fret lines are what’s making the sound
@nehemiahzo_4 жыл бұрын
I worded that badly but I think you know what I mean
@tarinindell82174 жыл бұрын
Also, geezer and tony bend a ton of their notes anyway, to help make a more "full" sound. Also also, tony often drop tuned to decrease the tension of the strings even more.
@marksommerville58574 жыл бұрын
Always blame the bass player! He's the most likely to be IN TUNE 4+ heavy strings v 6 thin stretchy guitar strings. Bloody guitarists( I play both, but I started with bass).
@DerAykac4 жыл бұрын
Started out with the bass recently and i´m amazed at how rare i have to tune it in comparison to guitar.
@-Orion.4 жыл бұрын
Idk man I play the bass and there's something off with Geezer's part too, I've gotta tune myself down a few cents lol
@inthefade4 жыл бұрын
@@-Orion. Back before digital tuners the band just tuned to each other usually. A440 is not inherently "in tune" compared to any other arbitrary frequency, and the standard has changed a lot over the centuries. 12-tone equal temperament wasn't even widely adopted until the late 18th century, and only in some places in Europe.
@rizzo_grt4 жыл бұрын
Tony accidentally made microtonal guitar a thing.
@sanny87164 жыл бұрын
Quarter-tone bends existed in blues for decades, way before Tony started playing music
@reficul19844 жыл бұрын
@@sanny8716 you beat me too it lol everybody forgets about the blues.
@squirlmy4 жыл бұрын
@@sanny8716 maybe you should notice Gabriel didn't say he invented it, he made it a "thing". Also I suspect it was said humorously, which doesn't always come across well in posted text. but while I'm ranting- I think things like "quarter-tone bends" gets a little lost in the blues as an idiosyncrasy of live playing, especially in "traditional" songs because it doesn't get musical notation and is often ignored when one bluesman teaches a song to another. Because "Iron Man" was created in a recording studio and the song can be, and often is, learned directly from listening to the performance on the album, It's almost an entirely different type of genre. Not that Rock is better than Blues, just that it was born in recording studios and can be thought of differently.
@rizzo_grt4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know about quarter tone bends and barbershop quartets and music done outside of the Western equal temperament which you can say worked with microtonality waaaay before Tony. But my joke wouldn't be as good.
@xDamageProducer2 жыл бұрын
@@sanny8716 everybody also forgets that Tony was a blues guitarist. Hell, Sabbath started as a blues band.
@metaku397savionburnette64 жыл бұрын
You can’t play a whole riff without copyright man KZbin rules asinine
@ThatPunkYT4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, this is educational, where tf is the harm there?
@johndoe28834 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the new age
@LRCorte4 жыл бұрын
Black Sabbath in particular is a very strict blocker
@DougCanney14 жыл бұрын
Actually you can, he’s not in any danger, he’s “covering” a song. It’s in the guidelines for KZbin. You’re allowed to play along.
@justpassingthrooo35054 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone blame KZbin? They dont want to get sued as much as the person playing copyrighted music. If anything, they're protecting the youtuber.
@robwasnj Жыл бұрын
Stuff like this is why I gravitate to seeing tons of live music. It's the imperfections that can make music so much more interesting and gives it life and character. Making it "perfect" sucks a lot out of what can make music so great for many of us.
@soullessSiIence4 жыл бұрын
You can't even play riffs on KZbin anymore. I'm out.
@Sadlander24 жыл бұрын
You're still here! I can see you!! Just kidding. You're right! Rick Beato, another KZbinr has these series "What makes this song great". He analyzes the songs and talks about the arrangements, the chord choices, the melodies... Well, he gets hit all the time with copyright notifications and some of his videos were taken down, even though what he does is 100% Fair Use. It's ridiculous. Why even bother with the law and things like Fair Use when anyone can claim anything and KZbin will just take it down, whether or not it's justified?
@squirlmy4 жыл бұрын
what's worse is that people are actually making quite a bit of money from these claims. It's a mockery of the Fair Use exception.
@James-eg3nf4 жыл бұрын
Yeah you can’t even play your OWN riffs. It might sound too similar to something someone in the past 70 years also played. You gotta be careful about even humming something vaguely familiar.
@inthefade4 жыл бұрын
It sucks because fair use should ESPECIALLY apply to educational content.
@k-ondoomer4 жыл бұрын
KZbin went from everyone trying to cover iron man In 06 to everyone getting copyrighted
@KllswtchOvrDrv4 жыл бұрын
Mike I love your videos where you get very detailed! The subtleties are important. You rock man!
@lastor92834 жыл бұрын
I saw your artists series, but NO KEITH RICHARDS! He's a legend and a hell of a rhytm guitar player. Could you please do that? It would be great. Nice video btw.
@nathanwells93434 жыл бұрын
Actually Tony's guitar is tuned a little bit sharp of standard tuning on every song on the Paranoid album. My guess is that he was using an out of tune piano to tune up. If you play along with War Pigs using the open low E string at the beginning, I get his guitar to be about 20 or so cents sharp of E, maybe more. Whenever I tune my guitar to that and play along with any song on Paranoid it sounds right.
@RockandrollNegro Жыл бұрын
Iommi was tuned slightly flat of E standard for _Paranoid_ but the recordings (like most in the analog era) were about a half a step sharp. This makes dialing in the tuning somewhat difficult, because if you tune a half step sharp of E, it's _too_sharp. You need to first find somewhere between E and E flat, then go up almost half a step from there. The bass is straight up E sharp on record, because Geezer was tuned to E. For anyone speculating on how the band tuned in those days: Geezer tuned his bass to a tuning fork and Tony tuned off of Geezer's bass (E harmonic at the 12th fret). That's why Geezer is always in tune and Tony is always about a half-step flat or sharp of Geezer's bass.
@PintsofGuinness4 жыл бұрын
master of puppets too, theres versions on youtube adjusted for proper A=440 thankfully
@randy02104 жыл бұрын
Not the same thing. MoP was tuned down and sped up.
@vault3114 жыл бұрын
I don't really feel being out of tune when playing along to master of puppets, ride the lightning however and those A=440 versions on youtube are life savers.
@C0L3Y4 жыл бұрын
@@vault311 Yep. Especially when you have a Floyd Rose. One off AJFA is sharp as well, it's super annoying
@PiushDahal4 жыл бұрын
I think it's important what you said there at 4:47 "It adds to the desinence and mood of the song...". It is true that analog era or tape recording mostly before DAW is the real world where everything is doesn't have to be perfect. We also look at everything with 12 notes prospective and we are locked into that model by first Piano and now fretted instruments. Half note and even micro note aka Shruti (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shruti_(music)#The_Evolution_of_22_Shrutis_from_Shadja_(Fundamental)_and_their_natural_arrangement_on_a_string), are fair game or composition personality as long as it tells the story and has an artistic creative side, well that's what my thought on this :)
@johnbhai7147 Жыл бұрын
Its "DISSONANCE" not desinence.
@swissarmyknight43064 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I always bent the notes sharp by ear. I just assumed that the way it was recorded was the way it was intended, that those sharp notes were an intentional ornamentation. I mean, that's how they published it, and if microtonal bends are "wrong" then the entire genre of Blues is "wrong". I remember being taught by a crusty old blues man that the third and fourth bent a quarter step sharp were "blue notes" (notes in between piano pitches) and that in rock music any note can be manipulated that way if the composer/singer/soloist chooses. I know that marks me out as a bit of a pitch anarchist, but its Rock and Roll, you're supposed to give the rules the middle finger. People "fix" so much stuff now that it makes the music boring. Watch Zep at Royal Albert Hall. They're all over the place, out of time, out of tune, meandering and improvising, and its the most awesome thing I have ever heard. If Sabbath, Zep, and Motorhead are wrong, I have no desire to be right.
@matthewJ1424 жыл бұрын
His vibrato is really astounding. Just like Alex lifeson and Jimi Hendrix. Of course it doesn't sound the way Can Halen, Brian May or even Yngwie would play, since they play mostly on the perfect pitch notes but heavy metal the sludge of that sound come from the hand and not the notes themselves. Which is why Blackmore is the maaaan!
@warshipsatin8764 Жыл бұрын
what? no
@ReizokoRyu11 ай бұрын
CAN Halen?!
@blascarrasco7684 жыл бұрын
You're always so damn positive... It's really a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the awesome vids. My online lessons are kicking ass too. Great platform you have.
@clownpocket4 жыл бұрын
Tony plays by ear, his bends are intentional. Makes for a larger more chorused sound against the bass. He’s talked about his unconventional methods, such as bending power chords too. Don’t underestimate the master. You should bend it sharp when you play it to match the intended style. The sharpness adds a certain tension to the part that you feel, (or should feel). You felt it before playing guitar to it and noticing that it was sharp, as most people.
@2204JCM4 жыл бұрын
If you don’t “play by ear” your not a musician. Period. You know the ones who know all the theory and can read music -they too play by ear. The only difference is that they know what they are playing where Tony may not. Either way they both play by ear. The only people who can’t play by ear are students that haven’t got very far yet...
@jharju23524 жыл бұрын
@@2204JCM That's a perfect example of the No True Scotsman fallacy
@billyarsenault19704 жыл бұрын
Bullshit- the master is playing out of fucking tune. Big difference from “creating tension”.
@danieldavis57834 жыл бұрын
always so in depth and detailed, love all your lessons and explainations--keep rockin
@connorandrus19044 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Mike still had a beard.
@TheArtofGuitar4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could grow one. haha
@leddygee18964 жыл бұрын
@@TheArtofGuitar Could this also be the sound of 432 Hz tuning instead of 440 Hz? A friend of mine tunes with this and it's kinda cool...
@SnaKeEXx4 жыл бұрын
Also, his early prosthetics were made of plastic. He melted down a soap bottle or something like that, made little “balls” and wrapped around what remained of his fingertips. This allowed his fingers to hurt less, but he lost some sensitivity of the strings, so it was easier to accidentally apply more pressure.
@GodsTruthMinistries2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Great tutorial/explanation. And I love the thumbnail!! Keep up the fine work!
@8tonystark84 жыл бұрын
Great video, Dr. Mike 🤘🏻
@Flatule4 жыл бұрын
Spot on. Actually Tony used for many years a banjo string as a high E and a normal A string as a low E. In late 60's there was no light gaige string so he made his set.
@sac3nt3r4 жыл бұрын
Always appreciate your deep dives, man.
@JamesContos854 жыл бұрын
This has been driving me nuts for DECADES! I always used a looser technique on parts of this song with slight bends and subtle vibrato to adjust to pitch for as accurate of a sound as I could get. I just kinda figured that's how he was doing it. Like, a little nuance that he threw in maybe cuz he was recording live, and getting into the groove. But this makes a ton more sense. Thanks for both helping us realize what was wrong here.... And for giving me validation as I was probably playing the song about as right as I could have been.
@jesseschmittTheRiffLab2 жыл бұрын
Watching these videos is so calming.
@uome20bukz4 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was me whenever I tried to play along to Metallica’s Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning and ...And Justice For All. It drove me crazy, thinking something was wrong with my guitar... until I realized that they raised the pitch, or sped up the tape or whatever the common theory is that they did with those three albums. I’ve discovered that standard tuning in 445 is nearly perfect for playing along with those albums. Master of Puppets is the only 80s Metallica album that doesn’t suffer from that, so I just keep my guitar in 440 when playing along to that one.
@metriffs11 ай бұрын
But MOP isn't exactly 440.
@mastershredder784 жыл бұрын
Very cool and informative video! I've had that issue a couple times playing along to classic rock/metal albums.
@guidonelliot59264 жыл бұрын
I kinda always bent that note a little in that riff, unconsciously. Amazing what I don't notice
@bradsowden67354 жыл бұрын
Imperfection makes perfection.
@crushingalldeceivers4 жыл бұрын
Your videos contain a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for making them.
@skrublordnord692 жыл бұрын
Your guitar looks sick my dude! I love the black cherry or dark wine red color
@danlam153 Жыл бұрын
I love how you get analytical about these things. I was playing along on bass, hated the off way it sounded, then switched to a fretless and I found if I intentionally went past the fretline a little it sounded better. Now it all makes sense!
@katariina76973 жыл бұрын
I'm just now learning Iron Man and ended up bending some notes a little because it sounded right (exactly in the riff you were talking about). Nice to get a bit of validation for that choice because I was wondering if I only heard that in my head.
@metalhead951234 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually always been cynical and assumed it was from when they remastered these old albums and got them on streaming services. Listening to an older album like paranoid on vinyl vs on my phone using Spotify it always seems like there’s a quarter step difference in the guitar tracks. But this makes even more sense, and why they started tuning down on later albums to give him more freedom to throw people off and be in their own league
@Timewalker134 жыл бұрын
It's the same with for whom the bell tolls
@manic_eraser_cat59914 жыл бұрын
No, certain songs off that album were very slightly sped up, such as Ride, Creep, and Bell, resulting in the guitars sounding a bit sharper than standard
@prometheustv65584 жыл бұрын
Joshdabomb 777 Yeah because they tuned their guitars up a quarter step to be in tune with the bells.
@manic_eraser_cat59914 жыл бұрын
@@dylandawson585 Andriy Vasylenko asked Flemming Rasmussen about it and he replied that it was because they wanted a tighter tone, and matching the songs' tune to the bell (it was an anvil) in just one of the songs on the album seems nonsensical kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHWbqatqmJh6p80 (the video where he debunks the myth)
@MaggaraMarine4 жыл бұрын
No. Just because a song doesn't use A = 440 Hz tuning doesn't mean it's out of tune. This video is talking about relative tuning, not absolute tuning, meaning that the instruments are out of tune in relation to each other (notice how he said that the guitar sounds sharp in relation to the bass). On Bell, even if the instruments are not in exact A = 440 Hz tuning, they are still in tune in relation to each other.
@numbers78893 жыл бұрын
Ya I like the idea of it being an imperfection that adds to the song. I love bands that do that either on accident or on purpose. It adds life to the song. Some bands want it all perfect and when they do that. Their song means almost nothing and it sounds super robotic
@grimdorkfuture4 жыл бұрын
For whom the bell tolls always gets me with this, it’s a quarter step up or something like that
@squidwardshouse54314 жыл бұрын
He didn't just get those prosthetic fingers either, I think he melted some plastic thimbles himself.
@squirlmy4 жыл бұрын
Rock n' Roll !!!
@elinino52753 жыл бұрын
He did. Carved them to fit his fingers. Then cut up a leather jacket and molded them/glued them to the tips
@zloychechen51504 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Michael McIntyre played guitar that well.
@gordonhenderson11942 жыл бұрын
The other thing is also that SGs tend to go sharp due to the Neck joint, your arm touching the body can send a note off. It's how I play the dissonant bend at the beginning, just anchoring my arm on the bout and it puts enough pressure to hit it dead on.
@juggerhuevo4 жыл бұрын
3:50 I though he was gonna say , you can chop your fingertips lol
@gesp51515 ай бұрын
There’s a similar thing when Angus Young holds say an A chord to feedback - it can go up and down like a wave but actually it’s just press/release slightly and against the open string it gets that wave effect
@sid35gb4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know about this but I always put a slight bend I the note. But it’s interesting find out what’s actually going on.
@ducamuk4 жыл бұрын
A very astute, and intuitive observation. 👍
@kennethcarlin96294 жыл бұрын
I thought it was from bending the low E string behind the nut at the beginning that threw the tuning off
@TimHolman4 жыл бұрын
Great discussion! Sounds like a sound theory.
@Suddenly-Eggs4 жыл бұрын
When I started playing in the late 90’s I started getting 9’s or 10’s and did drop d because of him; and that riff. I learned to play with that dynamic in certain ways. It got hard for me though when I started lifting weights for football in hs. I’ve switched to the bass now because my hands are too strong for subtle dynamics anymore. If I get into any riff or passge I start squeezing too hard. And even then a play like a heavy handed cave man.
@MetalHeadHippie4 жыл бұрын
That's why I love the riff.. It's a little off, just like Tony.
@mehhhh2914 жыл бұрын
Never clicked on a vid so fast
@bruceb11611 ай бұрын
yes you are so right on this subject lol now with my experience playing any sabbath song i dont have as much of the out of tune sound because of having the toni iommi signature sg model i get a very good sound since its set up like his sg including string size. only problem i had was getting used to such light strings at first it took awhile since normally i play 10s and 9s lol
@brianmckenzie13184 жыл бұрын
It's what makes songs special! I love that things that are a little different, gives character. Rock-n-Roll doesn't have to be perfect! With that said, it would drive me crazy not being able to play it correctly! Since I'm a beginner "hack" one thing that has bothered me is when I go onto KZbin and there are 30 different ways to play a particular song! I'd like to know how the artist plays them. My current nemesis trying to figure out the studio version of Deuce by KISS. Just that one little part where it sounds like it's stutter picking (for lack of better terms). Anyway, enjoyed the video!
@olagsanger74364 жыл бұрын
Music is the Great Art. It's about feel, not calculation or "fix at the mix". Well showned here by. Thanks!
@crisprtalk69634 жыл бұрын
The mole on Marilyn's face accented her beauty! Same thing here.
@seanoconnor57304 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice really until I saw this video in my recommended feed. And sure enough. Tuned my guitar up and I noticed it immediately.
@BarnacleButtock4 жыл бұрын
I think this is because alot of bands/Studios back then tuned to a piano. So for each studio, middle C or E or what have you is actually a different frequency, depending on how often the piano was professionally tuned..
@leomurry81954 жыл бұрын
Thank you for proving I still have my sanity. I was learning the solo and went to play along to work on it and checked my tuning several times because my guitar sounded so awful along with the recording
@EdgeOspina4 жыл бұрын
"Can't play much because of copyright issues" Jesus Christ, this got out of control hard. The internet is a really depressing place now.
@squirlmy4 жыл бұрын
Specifically, KZbin gives all monetized funds to the complaining party. If a user challenges, (and the criteria are unclear) and loses 3 challenges, they're banned. Enough people have to leave KZbin, that's all.
@bamafanJE764 жыл бұрын
I have always bent that note and added a little vibrato. Never thought of it as an issue.
@gtr3620124 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was just some of that “at the moment magic “ that can never be recreated. Its what makes it stay with you instead of being forgotten😁😉 anyway thanks for sharing.
@charl-e4 жыл бұрын
I believe I have an Answer or theory to this, I think this also goes for the entire Paranoid album. I Think that Iommi's guitar is tuned a little bit sharper, since he uses 8 string gauge strings1, he tuned his guitar to Standard, and tuned it up a little sharper than ussual, I was playing Paranoid and Iron man and I compared the guitar track to my sound, Tony's guitar is Tuned Sharper than usual, currently I'm trying to make a video about this, I hoped this helps!!
@cameronleb65084 жыл бұрын
I think those wonky kinda notes are really what makes the song what it is and fits the idea of the iron man, who walks a bit wonky and sludgy
@josephrobichaud28524 жыл бұрын
Funny I fond this after years of wondering why it sounded like he played a bend into the note instead of the double strum on the one note.... I never understood why I couldnt hit it right. This was beautiful.
@headlesnorseman7014 жыл бұрын
You are more than a musician. You are a guitar scientist
@aidenholmes55884 жыл бұрын
I just learned to play this yesterday. So I'll keep it in mind.
@asingardenof4 жыл бұрын
Playing Paranoid on bass gives me the same pain, but I suspect that's just a tuning issue. I had the same trouble with pressing too hard when I switched from bass to guitar so I had to use heavier strings to compensate.
@PHELCAN4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful SG mate. What color is that? Oxblood?
@tdchewy4 жыл бұрын
What if you tune down slightly to compensate for the overbend and fretting pressure? would that work? I heard that's what Iommi did. not sure if it's true
@metalhed6t74 жыл бұрын
Interesting... my question, however, is regarding the “copyright’d music” comment. Should we not be posting ourselves doing covers anymore? I’ve had a couple issues lately posting to FB.....
@joelawson334 жыл бұрын
Same here. Are you always getting blocked by Warner Music?
@Stationary764 жыл бұрын
It makes no sense. You have guys like Marty Schwartz posting how to play entire songs and he's playing a ton of the song all throughout. How can this guy get dinged for playing a little bit more than he did? Very strange. You mentioned also about FB issues. During COVID there is a huge group where I am and people are constantly posting entire songs they are performing. There are so many.
@GuitarHeroPhenomSux4 жыл бұрын
Question on ear training. When you're listening to the song, do you have any specific methods? Like headphones versus speakers? Or do you isolate the guitar track in a program? I'd like to get better at ear training. Thank you!
@98gt2v5 ай бұрын
Also, my guitar teacher said the guitars on the recording are slightly out of tune from each other and probably went unnoticed when he was multi track recording which wasn't so easy then. We dissected the shit out of this song when i was first starting 20 years ago. Good video
@MarcMercier19714 жыл бұрын
I'm learning and on a new Gretsch. I noticed after a little bit during the online classes that light pressure and not trying to drive my fingers into the fretboard is key. Anything more than making the note ring will drive the note(s) sharp. I thought it was me.
@sole__doubt20 күн бұрын
Mikes even got the cherry red SG for the lesson. Sorry Im late to this party but Im going back to the basics so Im playing Sabbath. \m/
@burnsZY854 жыл бұрын
That is so weird to hear you saying that about that part because i always slighlty bend the string when playing it.
@japanrocksgousa4 жыл бұрын
I'm new here, is there a lisp I should be understanding of or can I point out the "thabbath"
@saintsgaming15104 жыл бұрын
It might also be that back then a lot of guitar and bass players tuned by ear. It has sounded to me for a while now Black Sabbath and many other bands back then always seemed to tune slightly sharp. Just use your tuner and tune your guitar about half way of a half step (50 cents or a 1/4 of a step) and there you go! Enjoy. Thanks for this video Mike!
@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro Жыл бұрын
I've had the issue of pushing too hard making me sharp for a while. I notice I do it more with certain shapes as opposed to others like the A shape.
@ozzyogkush4 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation. I always figured issues like this were due to incorrectly ripping from the CD, eg re-encoding from 44.1 to 48 kHz. Some songs on Metallica - Ride the Lightning suffer from this imho, including For Whom the Bell Tolls. I never feel like I can play that correctly :/
@clarkbabin97994 жыл бұрын
Wear thimbles on the fingers that would be the ones he loss the tips of. Lol. Recently bought a 61 maestro reissue. Of course I've tried some Sabbath and some AC~DC on it. I've noticed in the past when I had a cheap SG knockoff this was an issue.( about 40years ago when I was hitting my early teens) I actually went to lighter strings because it made the guitar easier to play. Only problem I would pop the .008 E every so often. Was glad to find strings that came with 2 High E s. Eventually though i switched to .009 sets. I think the set that was on them had 011 strings originally. I also tried different tunings like sharp and flat depending on what i was playing.
@chromedomeunknown65054 жыл бұрын
Ive been watching for a while and all i want to know is what that mechanism is on the stop bar on the sg is
@jairusjones42703 жыл бұрын
Hey good job. But what do you think about just tuning up very slightly? Also, one of the things that makes Tony's pitches so ambiguous sometimes is the amount of vibrato that he used. And you know that's what made his sound special. That's what's missing from the new sound. There is no vibrato on like any notes except in the solos
@jairusjones42703 жыл бұрын
All the vibrato came from his hands. I won't call those who get it rom whammy bars cheating, but it kind of is to me, when I was raised on Tony Iommi getting as much for Prado as he needed from his hands. I know he had the help of light strings
@CB-ul2np2 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that it is the Laneys fault. That the Super Group 100W at that time was bad to ghost note when pushed causing a sorta detuned effect.
@jonathanblackwell424 жыл бұрын
I had my guitar setup with 8's the most recent time. I hated them. I couldn't play barre chords without the whole thing going sharp (joint size/finger geometry issue). I switched to 9's and it is so much better. I did have to alter the intonation slightly to account for it, but I doubt I'll go back to 8's. I just couldn't press light enough.
@jjrusy74384 жыл бұрын
Those "guitar anomalies" add motion and interest. I just watched a new synth instruction video from Sweetwater where you design in 2 slightly detuned oscillators to generate beat frequency (sounds like a phaser effect sort of) and methods of controlling it for musicality. ie "intentional detuning".
@TheArtofGuitar4 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge synth-head and yes the "detune" dial is gold. Good call.
@eukariootti14 жыл бұрын
Some guitar effects do similar detuning. For example guitars mono signal can be split to the left channel (e.g. -5 cents) and right channel (e.g. +5 cents). Or something like that. I guess earliest ones were expensive rack thingies like Eventide Harmonizer. I suppose this song has something like that: Van Halen - Good Enough (1986). Other specialty is that lowest string is dropped from standard E all the way down to A: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWqWZ4GChrKkgNk As far as I know, chorus effect splits mono-signal to several separate signals, which are usually just very sligthly de-tuned (like real members of a choir are). And then combined back to either mono- or pseudo-stereo signal.
@RemixMTG4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me when I try to play along with anything off of Peace Sells...it's a 1/4 step off.
@vladimirpotrosky78554 жыл бұрын
The album version of Kiss From A Rose by Seal is about a quarter-tone "out of tune" as well
@Vegemite984 жыл бұрын
Every song by AC/DC on high voltage/tnt is out of tune, to the point you can tell which song was recorded first and which was recorded last.
@MaggaraMarine4 жыл бұрын
But that's not what's being talked about on this video. You are talking about the pitch that the song is tuned to (that is slightly lower than standard tuning), but because everyone in the band tunes to that same pitch, it sounds in tune - it isn't out of tune, it is totally in tune, but just uses a different pitch. A = 440 Hz is not the only "correct" tuning. As long as the instruments are in tune with each other, you can use any frequency for your A note and it will sound in tune. This video on the other hand talks about a single note that is out of tune in relation to the other instruments. Tuning is relative, not absolute.
@nhproductions18954 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike do you have any online courses?
@zepromz4 жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm intrigued, what's that tremolo-looking device attached to your tailpiece? Never seen one like that before.
@tylercady39854 жыл бұрын
How about the Ride The Lightning/Creeping Death tone? Tried everything my low level gear (Epiphone LP, Marshall MG15, and Boss SD-1 in place of not having a tube screamer) will allow and I can't really get close enough to be happy playing along
@RJW144 жыл бұрын
glad to see I'm not the only one playing 9 and a half on gibson scale length guitars :) feels much better than regular 9's while still more slinky than 10's
@berylmgage093 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I would totally agree with this. My favorite band, Metallica, has a lot of these traces left in their songs that are great to learn about.
@louislucarelli39814 жыл бұрын
Off topic question: Is that a Duesenberg Les Term II on your SG? When did you install it? Videos from a couple of years ago don't show it being there. Do you think the weight makes a difference with Gibson SGs that are a bit neck heavy? Thanks!
@jairusjones42703 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you are successful. Can you please please please do a video on Jan akkerman, because I don't think you have yet, and I want you to explain that one lick that I think is his greatest lick. If music went on tombstones, this thing would play. It's the thing that he doesn't streetwalker where he just does that continuous thing forever. I wish I had that on a continuous loop. I think you know what I'm talkin about. There are lots and lots of good examples, including one from the show that he did with the guy with the dreadlock ponytail
@jairusjones42703 жыл бұрын
The same way I wish I had the outro to Fairies Wear boots on a continuous loop. That would be my sleep music LOL. No actually my sleep music is a continuous loop of Janis from Focus