Who Influenced Saul Leiter?

Recently while researching an episode that I'm working on (Saul Leiter, Early Black and White) - I found an interesting quote from an interview stating who Saul Leiter's influences were.
He cited Edgar Degas, Pierre Bonnard and Édouard Vuillard. Saul was also a painter his whole life, though he's less known for his painting work. I'm not sure if Saul knew this, but all 3 of the painters he named as influences were also photographers.
I think this creates an interesting thread of painters influenced by photography influencing another photographer who also paints.
In this video we're going to explore some of the relationships I've found as well as look at the photography made by these master painters and how it relates to the early black and white images that Saul Leiter produced.
Links mentioned in this video:
Saul Leiter Early Color: www.amazon.com/gp/product/3865...
Saul Leiter Early Black and White: www.amazon.com/gp/product/3865...
Saul Leiter Interview (about influences): www.newyorker.com/books/page-t...
Saul Leiter: In No Great Hurry www.innogreathurry.com/InNoGre...
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Your awesome voice is one of the reasons we watch your videos. Such clear pronunciations are so rare nowadays.

[@rejeannantel1185]

A very original episode. I wish to thank you for the progressive work you have done since you have quit your day job at the museum. You wanted to heighten your own standards for us, the viewer, to appreciate. I must say, job extremely well done. You always manage to find subject matter of great interest that are not talk about in other photographic podcast. You also have that communicative talent that few people possesses. I adore the educative content you bring forth. They challenge our inner perspectives and inspire us to find our own path. You are our friendly Internet “mentor”. In this episode you kept track of the “thread” that exist between artists. Throughout time, many painters have consciously used that “thread” to reference works from their predecessors and contemporaries, the artworks that inspired them. We must learn the history that brought along the revolutions that were going on at a given time. We must not forget that what we see as history was quite “lived” at one time. Our “today” will become our future history. I will used that quote to inspire all of us, inspiring artists, “Carpe Diem”.

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Rejean Nantel Thank you Rejean - I'm trying! Thanks for the kind words…

[@carlomac]

Great video Ted! Loved to see the painterly influences on Saul's work. Thanks to you I've been exposed to his work, and the more I see of it the more I love it. Now off to check out that documentary on Saul! Thanks again!

[@bebedaily]

Much appreciated for all your works these years.

[@jjjohnthomasss]

Ted this is one of the best episodes I've seen. Also I want to thank you for introducing me to Saul leiter, as a former painter without time or space to paint I find his work very inspirational.

[@gavinstokes]

Love these vids exactly what I need at the moment as I try to progress my work

[@b991228]

Saul Leiter's exhibition of color work was presented at the Milwaukee Art Museum and he opened the exhibition with an informal interview and talk. From that point forward I came to realize that photography was an art to be taken seriously.

[@craigcarlson4022]

Love all these series you've put together on notable photographers, past and present, be they in your "Artists Series", "Photographers Series", etc. Hope you do more of them in the future. So much more educational and enriching than gear reviews. No slight to your reviews, but you've clearly got a deep well of knowledge on the history and aesthetic of photography, that I hope you know we value. And just to give you a sense of how much i value these sorts of videos, I've just updated the short list of websites and KZbin channels that i want to steer myself toward when i want helpful inspiration. These of yours are on a short list of five sources. Craig

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I began watching these around the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013 when I returned to photography as a hobby. I feel over the past couple of years that I've received a good photography diploma's worth of lessons from you via "correspondence". That's an enormous service you have provided the photography-interested public. I feel too that having watched all those early episodes covering almost every conceivable "101" level photography subject, that we are now getting some true "masterclasses" from you. Episodes like this are exactly that. Thank you. (I would encourage anyone stumbling across Ted's work here to go back through his inventory of earlier episodes).

[@theartofphotography]

Linden Wilkie Thanks Linden. So glad you've stuck with it so long!! Hope I can get to some new masterclasses soon…

[@madman3891]

Love it when you cover the blend of two different art forms, many people will often focus on one ignoring other forms of art even though it's rare for one form of art being solely 'pure'.

[@JezLerman]

Another excellent video. Saul's work is new to me. I'm hooked. Loving his images. Your video adds further depth and perspective to this awe inspiring photographer. Thanks for posting.

[@artisfine]

Always a pleasure kistenung to you. Your knowledge is impressive. Following your Chanel for years I have to admit, many of my Inspiration came from your knowledge, connections you make between Paintings and photography, the people books and stuff you point out, thank you! Dirk, Stuttgart, Germany

[@RobCastro]

I love the insights you provide, Ted. Informative and inspiring. Saul Leiter is one of my fave photographers. Thanks for sharing.

[@WayToLongUsername]

I'm a couple of days late to the conversation here but there's a great documentary on Saul Leiter (Saul Leiter - In No Great Hurry) that anyone who's in to his work must consider watching. Great video Ted, keep em' coming!

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I am so glad that I found this channel, I love it, love it, love it. Thank you so much for your time Ted

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***** Thank YOU Lee!

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The Art of Photography NP, oh hey, did you receive that email from me? to your gmail

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I just did Lee - emailed you back ;-)

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Love your programs ...

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Thanks for your fantastic work, Ted! Move on!

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Great video post. Thanks

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[@gracepmz]

Great episode!

[@Danman4u2]

Thank you for your beautiful episodes; I love the way you present these masters.

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Daniel Beaudoin Thanks!

[@grat2010]

I did not know Degas did photography for a short time. Terrific video!

[@laurencegoldman4639]

Very informative. The painters you’ve highlighted all were fantastic at composition. It’s fascinating to see Leiter take to composition like a duck to water. (I’m always amazed how many of the photogs I admire have a background and relationship to painting-which I believe is more of a primary art form than photography (in the sense that every single mark the painter puts there he creates-every dot, line, shape, tone color, structure, rhythm, theme. Whereas the photog starts with a full scene, and can mainly edit ) The average photographer mostly moves the window around until he finds something he likes. Whereas the Leiters of the world are able to seek out powerful compositional ideas based on a whole aesthetic evolved over time learning the language of art. (I’m gonna get slammed, but so be it.)

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Fantastic Ted.

[@DavidMeyerPhoto]

Degas was one of the artists responsible for the visual impulse behind a series of night street images I took in France. I saw an exhibition on him in London just before leaving for France. The exhibition was focusing on the aspect of capturing movement in art, they had some of photographs by Degas, his sculptures and paintings, but it was also put in the context together with photographs by Muybridge, Marey and probably some more. I don't remember the title of that exhibition, but the idea was that Degas was fascinated with movement and so called "chronography" and it found its way into his paintings. You can see that influence in quite a few of them. The impression of his work (pun intended) stuck with me and is still there. Didn't get to work with many dancers so far, but there will be a moment for that at some point for sure. Great video, thanks. It's always a pleasure to see more work by Leiter and hear more about him and his influences.

[@theartofphotography]

David Meyer That's interesting… Marey was particularly interesting - some of those chronophotographs (or whatever he was calling them) are insanely good!

[@DavidMeyerPhoto]

The Art of Photography They are absolutely amazing :) Marey is really interesting in his own right. His chronophotographs are very technical, of course, he was interested in photography for the purpose of his scientific research. I don't think he considered the results to have any artistic merits, but strangely, they do look beautiful and I think that by today's standards they could be defined as art. And he created so many of them as well!

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I am so glad I found you channel! Why don’t people put up more videos like this? So much of B.S going on these days, the contents seem to be repititive and biased. This is gold!

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Beautiful

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Great content !

[@julesnoelsmith]

great episode ted!

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Thank you Julie!

[@Armis62]

Another great video, thank you Ted. Is there any chance you could do an episode on Steve Mccurry anytime in the future please?

[@LaaszloKiss]

Armands Zeltins Good suggestion, Armands! Hope that Ted likes it as well :-) Mr. McCurry has quite a great body of work and a distinguishable style, regarding especially his portraits from various remote countries of the world.

[@mamiyapress]

Thanks, I enjoyed that,.

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Bravo!

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Great vid

[@JamesAndrewMacGlashanTaylor]

Ted, I second Rejean Nantel!!! I also want to say,that I've had the unfortunate experience of coming across a somewhat popular photographer who I guess has come into some success recently because all of a sudden he has been pontificating about art. Now, I've been the subject of private art tutoring since I was a small boy, 6 or 7 years old, when my father noticed I had some talent doing sketches in pencil and later charcoal. I began specializing in chiaroscuro using conte crayon durng highschool and was on my way to Art school for Uni. But, I began rebelling, more scared than anything that my work was going to become my job and I jumped ship to go into the social sciences. Anyways, I point to my extensive experience in Art only because, this photographer I mentioned is talking about some pretty core principles of composition, things you covered a long long time ago when this show was only starting out. However he seems to think that "Art" stops there. And what I appreciate more than anything, more than any other photography show is YOUR mature understanding that "Art" does not stop there, in fact its where it only begins. Its strange listening to this guy because he is twice my age but in terms of experience with composition and art appreciation he is a child. You may or may not know who I'm talking about (it doesn't really matter) but your sophistication and in depth analysis has helped me make the jump from working in pencil to working with the camera and has brought me up to speed so much faster than if I were on my own. Thank you once again! Take care

[@theartofphotography]

James Taylor Thanks James. Its a journey for sure - art enriches our lives and its special to us whether we do that for a living or not. Having done both myself I can say its sometimes more meaningful when our time is limited. I'll stop there. Best not to engage with you're other point. ;-)

[@norbertbrein4184]

no question, he is incredible! - but i do wonder, how much the distance of time, adds to the charm and interest of his photos? - they are 60 years old and from another, bygone world....

[@johntravena119]

I see a Japanese influence in Leiter’s photographs also (maybe via Vuillard?) in the subject matter and composition - diagonal lines, etc. Cartier-Bresson was also a huge admirer of Bonnard.

[@MrKikoboy]

Ted - your videos are great and you have a way of explaining and de-convoluting photos and explaining the history and influences and connections - I REALLY like your stuff - "that being said", you need to grab a thesaurus and find some alternatives to the word "interesting"...this is not meant in any mean spirited way, just a suggestion for the future ... it's a bit like Chis at the Camera Store where they count the "that being said " quotes - I think it's probably more of a habit than a decision but it could make your videos flow much smoothly...again...not a criticism but a suggestion - you obviously have spent time and energy on research on what you do...I know you work alone so you don't have the "luxury?" of an editor, but I'm sure they would be on this so just a heads up...again thanks for all you do and the insight you provide and all the best for the future...( and so far it's looking very good from what I can see...) Cheers...

[@IainHC1]

I'm not sure I've seen any of your serious shots. It'd be cool to see who your influences are :-) Nice vid by the way ;-)

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Great video under 2 club!

[@theartofphotography]

jason christyjc thanks Jason

[@voitkuns]

Thank You Ted! Me and my boyfriend are having great times in bed while listening to your videos.

[@emilyrussell3387]

What was the name of Saul's Painter lady-friend? I cant seem to understand the name clearly...

[@davewebster6945]

I think it is Soames.

[@socialswine3656]

Compositions were very reminiscent of French Impressionism

[@jalexanderevans]

Ha. Bonnard.

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