We All Have Faith, Atheists Included | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@joels5150]

‘If you don’t have faith in a creator, what else is there?’ Literally everything…

[@gknight4719]

Yes, and telling children they are born in sin and deserve hell for eternity is child abuse. So we don't need any of that bullshit ether!

[@jexelbur6872]

The sun. Literally the sun, because stars are where we get (most of) the elements of the periodic table. Also meteorites. The rest from natural processes like thermodynamics. No god is required.

[@Mr_Porter]

It's astonishing that this call happened almost six years ago, and yet Jeff recently called into The Line still using the same flawed reasoning and sophistry. Absolutely no change whatsoever. He presented one of his arguments that had already been dismantled by four different hosts. This persistence in using debunked arguments illustrates a refusal to engage with valid criticism or evolve one's thinking. It underscores the importance of genuinely considering opposing viewpoints and adapting one's arguments in the face of sound reasoning...which is one of the objectives of AXP.

[@paulwoolnough3770]

This is exactly why religion has lasted so long, Mr. _porter apart from the fact that humans can't accept that this life is all there is and childhood indoctrination.

[@lemver70]

Some people just want to argue

[@thaimperial97]

Some ppl just lie to themselves just to have a reason to believe in nonsense

[@oxidize11]

Which is exactly the point of religion. It's to tell you to never question anything and just accept what was first told to you, and never falter. It's basically the reason to not learn anything. Which makes it extremely frustrating when people try to claim that science and religion should go hand in hand. No. Just flat out no. Science is learning, religion is just a cult saying "we know everything so don't trust science.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

Because it’s not about facts. They’re repeating a script to deflect from the lack of demonstrations.

[@joshsheridan9511]

If faith was evidence, then it would be evidence for all religions 😂😂😂😂😂

[@joshsheridan9511]

And for all those theists that say I have faith god doesn't exist. Then that would be evidence that a god doesn't exist.😂😂😂😂😂

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

☝️💯 Zeus confirmed

[@MrCanis4]

And court cases would be very different.

[@HumanismIsRepulsive]

If Faith isn't evidence then why are atheists cross-dressing and mutilating their children

[@HumanismIsRepulsive]

​@@joshsheridan9511we believe in God because the belief in God is a logical conclusion and or a designed thought. We believe in some of the nature of God the religious aspects in faith the way atheists believe in faith that their ancestors were sea creatures and that their children were born in the wrong body . There's atheists to also believe in faith that the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God

[@sparki9085]

Ah yes, the argument from "because I said so" favorite of parents everywhere

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

Favorite of terrible parents.

[@kaiza6467]

And also "Because the book said so, but also I can't read so I believe weird things that aren't even in the book in the first place." 😂

[@TabbyVee]

They insist on placing god as the ultimate parent, while absolving him of any parential duties.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

@@kaiza6467 They don’t bother to read it because they get told the parts they’re supposed to believe. Then when they’re told something that’s in the Bible that they haven’t read they just say it’s the wrong context or a mistranslation.

[@gortmundy01]

Yea, but sometimes that's just the parent going, "I'm not explaining this to you yet again, because you are not listening and in fact I actually DO know better". Now Im not saying that should always be a go to position, or that its always good parenting, but I can tell you, as a parent, its not always BAD parenting. Course, that has nothing to do with faith, just parenting.

[@superbnns]

Quoting the bible incorrectly at the end was just a perfect chef's kiss moment

[@goldenknight578]

I always love it when these guys bring up some version of, "Look at the human body. Doesn't it look like it was designed?" I can't speak for everyone, but whenever I look at my body, if it was "designed" whoever did it did a pretty crappy job of it.

[@VerryAnna]

"Doesn't it look like it was designed?" You know, It really doesn't :|

[@jvondd]

I'm a type I diabetic with Hashimoto's disease, ADHD and depression. If a god designed my body to be perfectly functional, why would it install defective parts?

[@norcodaev]

And why put an entertainment complex right next to a sewer system? Makes no sense whatsoever!

[@jamesparson]

Excuse me. I have been having a hard time reading the comments. I have to put my bifocals on.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I sometimes wonder if the creationists saying "look at the trees" need glasses

[@davidbelway6076]

Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself.

[@HumanismIsRepulsive]

Not only does atheism not require critical thinking it doesn't even require the ability to think. Atheism is a disbelief which means it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God. Which means even if God was proven by the scientific method an atheist still wouldn't accept it . 90% of the world's atheist come from communist countries forced into atheism the next largest representation for atheism is the critical thinking LGBT community😂

[@quentind1924]

@@HumanismIsRepulsive Everything fter "atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept god" can be forgotten. Former christians are proof that it's false, and even christians that start to doubt understand that it must be false as they start to doubt and that it's not their fault nor that they have an inability And LGBT community isn't critical thinking nor the lack of critical thinking. It's just saying no to people like you who oppresses them for something that's out of their control (and even if it is, it still doesn't allow anyone to oppress them)

[@HumanismIsRepulsive]

@@quentind1924 your argument is nonsensical, just because somebody believed in God and now became an. Atheist it doesn't debunk the idea that atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept God.. when the person believed in God they didn't have an unwillingness or inability to accept God therefore they weren't atheist so they wouldn't have a disbelief in God they became atheist when they became unwilling or unable to accept God. As far as your other argument, firstly the LGBT community is not oppressed it's a privileged community, ,anything but oppressed. The LGBT community are victimizers they oppress people, they compele people in places like the United States to acknowledge gender Faith as a physical and moral reality, that's a violation of our constitutional right to free speech and practice religion.. male members of that community oppress women by going in women's spaces.. look how that hateful community targets Christian children in mass shootings.. Look at all those poor Christian children who were murdered in schools targeted members of that hateful community

[@sharedaccount1639]

ergo you have faith in critical thinking.

[@AbleAnderson]

You have faith that oxygen will be in your next breath

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

*REPEATING¹: A challenge to ALL theists:* Name a SINGLE person who came to believe in ANY _specific, and already described,_ god without learning about it from another human first. ¹ Repeated, being that all theists "tapped out" the last time - the sound of silence was louder!

[@damonkenny3444]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 The Genetic Fallacy. You failed again.

[@Specialeffecks]

It is just so seductive and comforting (for many people) to placate their existential dread of "not knowing", so many simply glom onto old stories of origins that are far enough removed from present time to gain enough mystique to become unfalsifiable, therefore not as subject to being disproven...resulting in the world's various religions. Any religion placates this dread (at many convenient locations) but contain other traps that sustain and grow the religion (such as "believe = eternal reward, not believe = eternal punishment), making them grow more popular and therefore gain even more credibility (and more locations). (Side note: Interesting "to believe" would be any kind of a criteria...very random IF it was from a god...sounds more clearly like an effective sales ploy for a religious group). The glairing problem is - there is MORE than ONE religion (let alone sect), and each contradict (at least many core claims of) the others, each with convinced believers, who each claim to 'know' they are right, and the others are wrong (each with their own handy set of justifications), each religion constantly calling everything offered "Truth" - PROVING (to us outsiders) most, if not ALL religious beliefs must in fact be FALSE. Obviously. They tend to never critically examine any claims or even look at the above glairing problem - as it may result in disbelief - which means 'return of the dread' (at best) or at worst (now that they bought in) - eternal punishment. They don't want to lose their perceived benefit, which is one reason regular reinforcement is required (mass, church, synagogue, temple, hall, center, mosque, etc) as non-apparent, invisible claims tend to naturally fade without constant reinforcement. Plus, there's the handy apologist, who is ever-present to bolster the belief (therefore benefit) by any means possible, however flimsy - who are in high demand - due to the inherent weakness of their invisible claims/beliefs. There is NO effort by believers to determine IF the claims are true, all effort is to reaffirm THAT they are. A hideous mind trap - from which one must find their own courage and honesty to escape.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

DonKey was strangely mute His nervousness very acute And he got wet and sweaty at the thought of a Yeti Reaming out his poop chute!

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

I’ve asked them to demonstrate their god, how it came to exist, how it created anything, how theirs is the real one versus any others, and how they know the Bible accurately describes a god. Everytime it’s a scripted deflection. Usually “you think everything created itself”.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​​@@damonkenny3444 "genetic fallacy": oh look, a new buzz word that you clearly don't understand (as always)! Buzz 🐝 Buzz 🐝 Buzz 🤦 🤣🤣

[@Lupinemancer87]

If we truly are created, then whoever did it, did a shitty job and I could do it better.

[@charlespoe5155]

Today’s medical system focus on each of the organs separately in the human body. What if all the organs work together in some way but it is not considered since the system separates them? What if all the chemicals made by men are creating our health issues? The liver has many functions and is the most important organ to the human body that breaks down toxins to get ready for body to remove. How much toxic junk is at the grocery store that we eat? How about known sodas with high sugars. How about others stuff in the environment? Wonder why the essentials like fast food, liquor stores, were open during the pandemic and donuts and hamburgers were given to those who took part of the solution. Health these days is not about nutrition it’s about managing dis-eases. A lot of money for for profit corporations. Sugar industry makes a lot of money. If this system can not provide a solution as in a cure than what is it actually doing? No wonder fasting is bad for us because it cleans us out.

[@sharedaccount1639]

not necessarily. you are assuming an hypothetical purpose that doesnt align with your expectations therefore the work is subpart

[@TonyCox1351]

Imagine you are omnipotent and omniscient and this is the best you can come up with 😢

[@hansj5846]

"Why do you have confidence that a god exists?" "Because I'm an American" is the answer he should give.

[@jamesaston410]

I’m an atheist and yes, I have faith …faith in myself and my own abilities. That way, if I screw up it’s wholly down to me. It’s great, I’m responsible and accountable for every one of my actions, what’s not to love? And the best part, I don’t get any get out of jail free card that allows me to vicariously blame others if and when I do make mistakes :) I urge believers to try it, it’s both liberating and empowering!

[@landsgevaer]

You mean trust or confidence, possibly.

[@jamesaston410]

@@landsgevaer both I’d say. They are both required to enable self-empowerment, imho. But it’s a very interesting circle since self-empowerment also leads one to have confidence and trust in oneself :) Certainly been to case for me, I’ve been atheist since I was about 8 years old and have yet to lose control of any aspect of my life.

[@landsgevaer]

@@jamesaston410 Then how do you define faith? Or can you give an example where you need it? If it is belief without justification then it would be self-deluding to use it; if it has justification, then you don't need faith but you work from the justification. I would say you know your own abilities, roughly, so no faith needed there. Sometimes you might (have/want to) do something that you are not sure of whether you can succeed, but then still you don't need faith, you only need the realization that this is what you have/want to do and you are willing to take the risk of not succeeding.

[@jamesaston410]

@@landsgevaer maybe just a figure of speech. To me, faith in myself is effectively confidence in my own abilities; I have sufficient belief in myself and my abilities that doesn’t necessitate or require any need for third party involvement. It’s no different in terms of meaning for a believer is it - faith (belief) that a god exists and if you do everything you’ve been taught you get what’s promised; god will ultimately deliver you to heaven when you pop your clogs. If it helps, and without wishing to sound like I’m schizophrenic, look at it as though I have my own inner god which only I answer to, and in return I have faith that inner god will guide me to make the right life decisions and choices for me. Might not be the answer you want but it makes sense to me and, to me, that’s all that matters :)

[@jamesaston410]

@@landsgevaer and faith isn’t something exclusive to spirituality. For example, I have faith in the American public that they won’t vote a complete maniac back into office :)

[@Soylent1981]

The strangest checkmate is to denigrate your own position to dunk on your opponent.

[@Mr_Porter]

@@Soylent1981 True. That's the equivalent to ending an online argument like "your to dumb to continue this conversation with" 😬 Soooo close 🤏🏾

[@einienj3281]

Self own 😂

[@EchoChamberDweller]

That’s what God did when he humbled himself to human form. It’s called a sacrifice, and it defines what love is.

[@einienj3281]

@@EchoChamberDweller 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@bestbehave]

@@EchoChamberDweller Sacrifice? He had a shocker of a Friday, and didn't surface until Sunday. Is that what you really see as sacrifice?

[@Fufiloofa]

9:51 "common sense tells me...", no that's NOT what Jeff was using

[@lemmyhead8578]

They always have to drag things down to their level so they can have a chance.

[@Zero-0-Cypher]

The problem is... Religious people think that thier thing means the same thing as ours, they think when we say scientific theory, they believe that means faith... Theory is tested, measured, observed, it's not just a guess that we have faith in.... Theory doesn't mean guess.

[@Zero-0-Cypher]

The other issue is the Bible, they think that God actually wrote/created this book and physically handed it to man.

[@gknight4719]

NURSE, he's out of his bed again!

[@georgeo2664]

😂😂😂😂😂 Ouch

[@JimmyJohn-r1y]

Oh, behave!

[@gknight4719]

@@JimmyJohn-r1y Believe me, I do not use "faith" to find truth or what might happen next. I use trust that must be earned, try it, its far more reliable!

[@Manyfetch]

Personally, I've always found it more persuasive to talk about the scientific method in terms of "the scientific method isn't trying to prove hypotheses, it's trying to disprove them and then grudgingly accepting what remains". Or if I'm feeling florid and metaphorical "lining hypotheses up in front of a firing line and the survivors get to keep living so long as they stay bulletproof" with an addendum of "and unfalsifiable ideas aren't even capable of fitting into the line"

[@jwsanders1214]

Don't you know , arent' you aware , Jesus is the author of all the laws that govern the universe ?

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@jwsanders1214 Claiming that someone is the author of something is worthless without actual evidence.

[@Manyfetch]

@@marcosolo6491 "unfalsifiable ideas aren't even capable of fitting into the line to be shot at"

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@jwsanders1214why don’t you try addressing the actual comments instead of just preaching?

[@jwsanders1214]

@@dwightfitch3120 " Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for , the evidence of things not seen " Hebrews 11

[@drewbeedoobeedooooooo4821]

15:15 dumbfounded silence on this show never fails to be hysterical

[@Tuna_Man2323]

There are two kinds of faith: reality-based faith, and faith-based faith. Reality-based faith is merely recognizing that reality is consistent with itself, so it's the most reasonable variety of faith. Faith-based faith boils down to believing what you're told just because someone said so. If it were consistent with objective reality, it would be reality-based faith, but because it is not, it can only be faith-based faith. And that's essentially the same as gullibility.

[@Garyskinner2422]

Nicely put

[@Xfundamentalist]

"Science is contingent on the maker." No This caller is using "faith" how insecure couples use the more specific term "loyalty."

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

If there is intelligent design, Jeff certainly missed out on the 'intelligent' part of it...

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

“If you think the sun isn’t going to explode tomorrow that’s the same as me having a very specific god that I want to legislate even though I don’t read its book or follow its rules”. Another person who knows for a fact he can’t prove his god exists so has to deflect. Like our theist stalkers.

[@BigRalphSmith]

Once again, "look at the trees."🙄

[@Garfieldlysanya]

Lmao I literally said this about 10 min in

[@TonyCox1351]

I want to know why God designed billions of planets with no trees

[@LoadPuller]

1 minute and 40 seconds in, the caller is stymied with a coherent response. Education is very important.

[@IsraelLazoPlus]

14:20 I believe that God made me so I would die if I don't breathe, then gave me the ability to breath. He is so good to make me so vulnerable to be grateful of letting me overcome my vulnerabilities.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

This guy called in to use the same script on different hosts. Like our obsessive stalkers who know they can’t prove anything they say.

[@ApatheticFish3667]

To all members of QC's live, I haven't read any AxP comments since yesterday, and I'm not going to. Just letting you all know that I'm fine, I've talked to the people I trust most (my parents and my cat) and they're going to help me get through this.

[@TheistsTapOut]

👍👍👍

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Great to hear your parents have got your back, but be careful with the cat.

[@jonclark8252]

Be well. I'm rooting for you.

[@nealjroberts4050]

👍 QC has my email if you ever want a chat

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

A-first remember you are not alone mate.

[@albocaj5975]

"Saying 'it's obvious' is not an actual argument supported by any evidence. If anything, it is the definition of Faith, in the sense that faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason. You don't have a good reason"

[@RichardDandanell]

This guy is just knowledgeable enough about the subject in think he's right . But not enough to know he's wrong .

[@logicbomb8977]

@@RichardDandanell ok Neil degrasse Tyson

[@amtlpaul]

Jimedith Castleberry is into repetition. It's easier than thinking. Mindless repetition is easier than listening too. Listening too much carries the risk of awakening dormant doubts! Keep those doubts suppressed by mindless spamtrolling!

[@t800fantasm2]

it's all he knows... SPAM, call everyone liars and run.... SPAM and call everyone liars run... Stupidly claim he won, rinse and repeat....

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

Because he knows his religion is not based on facts. He’s a dishonest narcissist who demands we give him the authority of god.

[@amtlpaul]

Damon Kenny's strawmanning is tantamount to surrender, an admission that he has no rational case that it is unreasonable to not believe in God.

[@TheistsTapOut]

Is it strawmanning? Or just plain lying? All he is doing is lying and saying things like atheism being a presup when it clearly isn't. And making a presup argument to say that atheism doesn't have a logical foundation. Because, consider evidence before blindly believing is too logically complex?

[@vertigo4236]

@@TheistsTapOut I would guess some strange psychological condition. Lying is one thing. But lying so badly and obviously, everyday under every video? That is so strange.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

@@vertigo4236His religion makes him miserable and dishonest. He can’t even discuss his religion. All he can do is act like a brat, deflect, and project his dishonesty onto others.

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

I do not exercise faith. I cannot think of any time after my adolescence where I did anything on faith. My last “religious experience” was ringing the bells during communion in my teens, as an altar boy. That was in 1988. I knew then that it was a meaningless ritual.

[@Average_Joe273]

If "ignorance is bliss" was a person Holy crap this man didn't think at all

[@smochygrice465]

Okay, I have faith that walking the dog and gardening is way less boring then God ritual activities like worship and prayer. And a good Monday morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️

[@jamesparson]

Your dog likes it too.

[@PauloBarreto15041964]

Jeff is convinced that he's right. That god exists and created everything. He's not willing to question that. Funny 🤣 "Why you have confidence in what you believe"? - Because it's true. 😅😅😅 Thanks Jeff. You're the man. You solved a question who tormented mankind for thousands of years. With a single sentence, you destroyed Atheism, Hinduism, Budism, Judaism, Islam, etc. You solved it Jeff. You will be granted the philosophy Nobel award.

[@A_friend_of_Aristotle]

An amazing thing happens when you hold convictions instead of have faith...you prioritize the time and effort it takes to think about things. Faith cannot be revised or refined with more information, because more information is irrelevant. Conviction refined by the reasoning process is what faith is meant to avoid. I propose that faith is the effort to avoid thinking. Faith (the effort of non-thought) may be easier in the short term, but long term it produces nothing meaningful; if a person must live by their own actions and at their own expense, faith multiplies the effort necessary to produce meaning while producing no results. Faith, as a long term survival strategy, is certain death for the thinking animal.

[@BananaHams]

love the throwbacks!

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

Haven't you heard? The lack of faith and believe in any gods is a religion in itself nowadays according to some theists. So stop being idolaters by not worshipping anything!

[@BigRalphSmith]

This seems to be due to believers not having the mental or emotional capacity to realize that it's possible to NOT "worship" _anything._ They seem to have this idea that if you don't believe in a god, then there has to be some sort or "stand-in" or "replacement" for that concept.

[@2beers007]

love the laughter in the background i felt the same way listening to this 😂

[@vidfreak56]

First thing scientists do is observe. Thats the beginning of every hypothesis. Can this guy show how the lungs were created by a supernatural super being?

[@Topquark13]

"Faith is something you believe in, that no one in their right mind would believe." - Archie Bunker

[@sharedaccount1639]

this is blind faith only not faith in general

[@MrCanis4]

I have faith in many things, but religion is not one of them.

[@skummisrocker]

Jeff does not know anything else and therefore god.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

That's some wisdom right there 🤪

[@cor.ben_4737]

I’m an Agnostic Atheist but I was concerned with the ending contention on the word usage of John 14:6. It really does say “life” not “light”lol.

[@lnsflare1]

"Things have physical properties that interact with one another in consistent ways, therefore GAAAAAAWWWWWWD."

[@AussieNaturalist]

"I don’t even understanding your question" This is oh so common among most of the theists Ive come across, they dont even know that they dont even understand the questions, and yet they claim to have all the answers... 🤔😵🤣

[@bubbercakes528]

I have faith that this gentleman doesn’t “think” about religion at all!

[@robertyoung701]

Saying that everyone has faith in something is basically the “You Too” fallacy where someone tries to convince someone that they are as wrong as them and thus they are not at fault.

[@jamestaylor6453]

Asked how he has confidence in the bible he answers: “Cos it’s true.” Yet another person who doesn’t seem to have even considered, scrutinised or challenged his own position. This is why he finds it’s so difficult to answer the basic questions asked of him. His brain just doesn’t seem to be able to compute the possibility that what he believes may not be true.

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

So annoying. This is how this conversation always goes. I no longer try to have it with people “of faith”.

[@Specialeffecks]

Even though Jeff had never considered the question "how would we go about determining if the claim 'the moon is made of cheese' is correct" he immediately and accurately said "we can take a look" (observation). When asked about the god - that he 'has confidence in' (likely for years), "how would we go about determining if the claim 'there is a god' is correct?" Jeff had to think about it for a bit... demonstrating he had NEVER even considered to ask if he could determine IF his all-important god claim is true! Question: Shouldn't everyone question, look at from every angle possible, get competing expert analysis, look for logical fallacies, evaluate all current direct evidence and demonstration, if any, etc. - to properly verify something they will build their entire life around and 'have confidence in'? I'm guessing NO - if we are speaking of religion. In religion one is TOLD what to believe (and/or simply born into it)...belief = benefit. But the problem is - there are so many religions and sects, all believing they're right and the others wrong - that OBVIOUSLY they can NOT all be true, but each with equally convinced believers. I propose Jeff does not care IF it is true. I think his perceived benefit relies first on the assumption THAT it is true (whether is true is of no consequence; only that he believes it), and any such critical examination could only be counterproductive, risking his perceived benefit of "easy answers" (if such 'scary' critical examination might result in 'scary' disbelief). After all, Christians are constantly told just this: that 'belief' is critical, without belief = eternal punishment, with belief = eternal reward. Someone who does care IF their beliefs are true and does an honest, non-fallacious critical examination, is called an atheist. It's all so obviously a mental trap...from the outside.

[@nealjroberts4050]

An important use of critical thinking is to apply it to one's own thinking

[@brianmonks8657]

So, he thinks that without an intelligent designer we wouldn't have lungs, uh ok...

[@jvondd]

I'm guessing that no one ever told him that fish don't have lungs, yet they still have the ability to breathe.

[@BlueSummers101]

@13:53 Jeff should be asking that of all us listeners for having to endure his stupidity during this call

[@OswaldBatesIIIEsq]

I can't have faith in something that hasn't proven its existence. Even if it did, I still wouldn't have faith in it.

[@amtlpaul]

Remember, Jimedith Castleberry claimed the following: 1) In the absence of God, there is no moral right or wrong 2) 'God's nature' (whatever that means) somehow causes there to be moral right and wrong. How this supposedly happens is never explained, and in fact Jimedith regularly seeks refuge from rational scrutiny in this ambiguity 3) God's nature is morally good by definition in the same way that the constitution is constitutional by definition. 4) Any discernable framework of principles other than just 'God's nature makes it so' is mere delusion. This means that any framework of principles by which 'God's nature' could designate actions as right or wrong is ruled out. "God's nature is moral by definition and it makes actions moral and immoral, guided by no discernable principle or framework" is not a moral system. It is arbitary.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I would say it's arbitrary by definition. It's designed to be arbitrary because otherwise they'd have to rationally demonstrate their moral ontology rather than merely claim it.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

jimEdith only chooses to be a bible babbler because he finds the idea of incest very appealing.

[@MiltonMoJunction]

I have faith that religion people will always come up with ridiculous things to show their particular invisible magic pixie is real.

[@williamjohn2910]

You can hear Jeff's brain dying on air.

[@outermarker5801]

1:00 They always ignore the examples of faith listed after vs 1. Eg - "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Heb 11 7 A dude built a giant ship on land with no evidence whatsoever of an impending, unprecedented flood supposedly coming who knows how long later. THAT is 'faith' _per his own bible._ 'Faith' is the antithesis of evidence based belief. Period.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@JimCastleberry Funny how *Edith* loves to accuse others of lying…

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@tonyclements1147 I think they think it means they won't get accused of lying when they lie. Doesn't work.

[@barrythomson899]

How long did it take Noah to sail from the the Middle East to the Far East, Australia, South / North America , Europe etc ?

[@KarlBunker]

The most surprising thing about this call is when he mentions that he's called before. Obviously he learned less than nothing from doing so.

[@tiltingwindmill]

Oh, he's called repeatedly. A very frequent flyer. Still calls into shows, even fairly recently. Yet, he never learns a single thing from call to call. He's decided one single book is all that is necessary.

[@SilortheBlade]

I have faith in one thing. That the fundamental forces in the universe will not change tomorrow. That is based on them not changing in 13.8 billion years, but I still don't know that they couldn't change.

[@theotakux5959]

Can you PROVE there aren't 50 naked people just outside that room? Surrounding it, if you will?

[@Sundae_Times]

Well, on the off-chance that it's true, can I volunteer to be the one who goes and checks?

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@Sundae_Times Hey. I'm not a gynaecologist, but I'll have a look just to make sure.

[@Sundae_Times]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 Well, take your magnifying glass, in case Flo's out there.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

I would ask you if someone was videoing it and can I have a copy😁

[@Sundae_Times]

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 For research purposes, of course. That's very public-spirited of you, cobber :)

[@thedeerhunter999]

My personal favorite “ An entertainment complex, right smack in the middle of a sewage system. Noooo engineer would design that”…….

[@williamcreighton1417]

I think it was Robin Williams who said no designer would put the recreation area so close to the waste disposal unit 😂😂😂

[@RockMadness-gy6ez]

I got half-way through this when he mentioned the water cycle. It’s that guy again! Obsessed with the water cycle as if that answers all questions about the existence of god!

[@einienj3281]

The way, the truth and the life...light! 😄

[@joshuamartinpryce1237]

We all have faith, this faith is obedience to the desire of change. Who doesnt want change even in the small things.

[@DeathAwaitsYourSoul]

Maaaannnnnn he even sounds robotic. Like there's nothing behind his thinking.

[@vidfreak56]

Yeah this really goes to show that some people are never going to understand because they simply want to believe rather than having good reason to.

[@arkdark5554]

Jeff, I’m so glad that I’m not in your shoes, my brother. I hope your "designer" will one day make you a millionaire. Until that day, pray on, crap on, dude.😅😅😅

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Jeff's reasoning was so circular you could male a Slinky out of it!

[@2l84me8]

Faith is just wishful thinking and self delusion in spite of the evidence. I don’t use faith and neither do a lot of people. You could believe in anything on faith, and that’s why it’s not a virtue.

[@D-Pocalypse]

It's fascinating to see how otherwise intelligent people so easily toss out reasn, facts, logic, and basic common sense when it comes to the supernatural.......

[@silverfire01]

Faith in a religion is based on believing something without evidence. You could believe almost anything if you say faith is the same as evidence.

[@heiyuall]

“Ya mad bro” doesn’t let you win an argument. It means you have nothing to contribute and are a waste of time.

[@ClaytonJonesImages]

I will preface this by saying I am NOT a theist. What Jeff fails to realise is that scientists start with the observation, and not the conclusion. He assumes that, like him, scientists begin with the conclusion and walk backwards, which is entirely unscientific. However, for the sake of correctness, Jeff *did* actually quote the Bible correctly -- John 14:6 does indeed say "life" and not "light", so when he said "god is life", he is correct, if following biblical logic. That said, everything else he said is very wrong

[@TMPreRaff]

The caller wasn't ready to understand what his own claims mean. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[@grantwing4942]

Thanks for the call and enlightening us Captain Obvious. (Or should that be thanks for enlifening us?).

[@Shankeriffic]

I feel so sorry for this guy. He seems so sweet. Yet he can't break out of his indoctrination. He seems very misinformed, and he just wants to hold on to the traditions that he has trusted for a lifetime. I feel like he does have doubts, and it's a really scary and emotional time when you come to this part of your life.

[@einienj3281]

Faith is not evidence. I do not have faith in a religious context. I can accept things based on evidence. I can believe things based on existing evidence of similar stuff or as a result of rational logic.

[@nealjroberts4050]

The mere existence of incompatible faiths should be evidence itself that faith isn't evidence. I can only conclude that my fellow theists who refuse this are either extremely ignorant of how evidence works or lying (for a variety of reasons) or both.

[@einienj3281]

​@@nealjroberts4050 I agree 💯💯

[@Doodlebird138]

"Gosh, it just seems to me so obvious that our lungs were designed for breathing." 💀

[@bobbybecker3572]

"everyone has faith in their own understanding" How many times was this person dropped on their head as a child?

[@looselugnuts5874]

Him misquoting his book is absolutely the fucking cherry on top 😂😂😂

[@casparuskruger4807]

Having faith is having the ability to believe any claim that has zero evidence to support it. Then ignore, alter and invent as much reality as you feel you have to when encountering anything that seriously challenges any belief held on faith --just to sustain your indoctrinated belief and then hold that ability to do so as a badge of honor.

[@nealjroberts4050]

The usual debunked arguments: Fine tuning - no constants or parameters have been demonstrated to be tuned or confirmed as independent of each other. Anthropic principle / puddle reasoning (distinct from FTA) - relies on assuming that things are observably existent because they were intended to be rather than because they exist and were observed. KCA - relies on special pleading a particular something from nothing. Contingency - relies on special pleading that contingency exists. Design - relies on comparing known human design with known lack of design then assuming everything unknown is designed. Irreducible Complexity - still not demonstrated to exist. Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. NDEs - basically another claim that personal experiences are true by default. DNA as information - usually hampered by misrepresentation of the definition of information, often with the false claim of being wholly digital. Existence of Consciousness/Intelligence - often falsely claimed to require themselves already existing in order to exist. Usually presented as a false dichotomy ignoring that both vary throughout an organism's existence. Free Will - usually involves equivocation on what free will means and false dichotomies on determinism and randomness, sometimes with a composition fallacy. Scripture Prophecy - usually a mix of statements not verifiable as prophecy, appeal to probability, and appeal to authority. Cue someone getting the first two confused again 😉

[@sharedaccount1639]

the second law of thermodynamics you fail in here. there is no reasonable explanation why entropy was low at the beginning of the universe. you may have faith that one day your God the scientific method may say something about it. you will be waiting forever though.

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@sharedaccount1639 ???

[@suffist]

I have faith that I don't have any faith.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

When the bible babblers say atheists have faith, is that a criticism or a compliment?

[@jamesp5408]

Why is it that so many of the callers they get seem to be very very high?

[@abc456f]

Being high and being stupid kind of sound the same.

[@flyguyry1]

We have faith in what we have all seen before. If we never had seen an airplane before we would never get on one. But sense we have seen it work we have "faith" that it will fly so thats why

[@bookkeeper141]

I love how these callers gauge reality based on what they think makes sense, hahahahaha

[@rikomagic2885]

Callers start out really confident in what they believe only to actually show they don't even have enough evidence themselves to answer any questions put to them. Jeff avoids all questions by saying he doesn't understand the question but it seems he can make sense of a book that makes no sense or any logical reasoning

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Caller is basically Mr. Wensleydale, shopkeeper of the cheesy comestibles sketch. Which is not much.

[@tiltingwindmill]

A so very, very typical Jeff from New York kind of call. Whoo-boy. Poor dude.

[@Paolo8772]

I believe in the Trinity because Circles. How many sides to they have? None, One or Infinite sides? I guess that's the Ernie (from Sesame Street) argument posted on a Children's show over 50 years ago, and it totally FREAKED BERT OUT! Now I love classic Sesame Street as much of the next guy, but even children got it without having to believe in a freakin' god.

[@mrscolumbo4704]

It's obvious... Well I'm convinced!

[@einienj3281]

"look at the trees"... 😂 "I have confidence that god exists I can see stuff around me The bible says god created the stuff around me It's obvious, it's common sense to me.." ⭕🔁⭕♻️⭕😂

[@shrews12001]

As true as "we all have hoop skirts".

[@starfishsystems]

Always with the fallacies, these theists. It's pretty much guaranteed that any rationalization of religious faith is based on a Fallacy of Equivocation. Religious faith is a willingness - sometimes amounting to an eagerness - to believe certain claims without evidence. This is not remotely the same as "faith" as ordinary belief or justified confidence, for example that the sun will rise tomorrow. We can rely on a lifetime of daily experience to anticipate what the sun will do, even if we know nothing about orbital mechanics. The Fallacy of Equivocation dishonestly tries to treat these two different concepts as identical.

[@jamescathro5257]

I wish people would stop saying the sun rises and sets. It doesn’t move. The earth travels around the sun. The Sun doesn’t move!!!

[@PortmanRd]

🎵 'Cause I gotta' have faith...😂

[@JPPan-hq6le]

I now have a better understanding why the USA trails in scientific literacy vs other countries

[@UltraK420]

Just look at the trees!

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

I was an arborist. I've seen millions of 'em. Believe me, ain't no god hiding out there.

[@UltraK420]

@ploppysonofploppy6066 "I can't think of any other explanation, therefore it must be god!"