Even IF God Is Real, He Is Immoral! | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@elisawhitman8526]

The fact that the Bible endorses slavery, and the fact that “Thou shalt not rape” is not one of the Ten Commandments, is perhaps the best evidence we have that MEN wrote the Bible rather than an omniscient, supremely moral deity.

[@byteme9718]

Read Leviticus 20 and you'll find that while god protects donkeys form being raped by lustful women, he leaves children free to be raped and be subject to incest.

[@69eddieD]

@@byteme9718 According to Gawd, children are for raping. At least, that's my takeaway after 18 years as a catholic.

_The fact that the Bible endorses slavery, and the fact that “Thou shalt not rape” is not one of the Ten Commandments, is perhaps the best evidence we have that MEN wrote the Bible rather than an omniscient, supremely moral deity._ It is. Don't have sex outside of marriage. So it's false it's not prohibited. The fact you are wrong about that shows you are not qualified to say anything about God or the Bible. And about slavery, that's just your opinion, and that because Christians spearheaded the movement to end slavery in Europe and the United States. And if it weren't for God's morals saying a human being is of worth, you would have no problem with slavery, as clearly atheists have no problems with eliminating tens of millions. We can clearly see what atheism teaches about human worth in such as China and the former USSR. So atheists tout Christian values as a reason they are against slavery. And remember, when Christians oppose p000rn, the atheists get all up in arms, even though that's the same thing, both of what you are complaining about, it's rampant with human trafficking. So please, spare me the faux moral indignation.

[@lulolie]

The fact that you're conflating marriage and consent shows you're not qualified to speak on morality

[@enigmaticparadox354]

@@lulolie truth

[@markastoforoff7838]

When someone asks is there any morality in owning a slave if you don't respond in less than a millisecond no then you have lost the plot of what morality is.

[@happyninja42]

but but....see I HAVE to try and justify it, because my sky daddy endorses it, and I can't say anything against my sky daddy, because then I'll go to hell!! -- typical christian bullshit reply summary

[@PrivateSi]

American Atheism = a hypocritical, blind, oppressive religious cult that shuns objectivity and contextual=empathic thought. Atheism is amoral and slavery has saved and spread many people and cultures that otherwise would have died/been killed.

[@SerranoSalazar]

@@happyninja42 I wouldn't call it typical. They're not honest enough

[@carterblunt4192]

I have tried to contest your line of thinking, but it gets shadow censored every time. Non free speech zone.

[@verhygo4844]

I think it's a lot more complicated than a millisecond can even offer. First of, we must ask, what even is morality? A metaphysical concept we use to describe the rules after which the human consciousness operates? If so, where do these rules come from? Can we verify them to be true? What are the laws that are at play in forming them? Are these laws subjective to the human or objective to all? Because if they aren't objective, there can be no objective statement about the morality of slavery. Then, we must still ask, is authority over another human a question of morality? Or is it the abuse of this authority what would make it a question of morality? The word slavery implies a certain relationship of authority over another human that's heavily defined by the abuse enacted within this relationship. Might just be my opinion, but to conflate all of the possible actions of abuse within this kind of relationship with the relationship itself does no one a service. A lot of these terrible acts are also committed under different relationships, including parenthood and or democracy. Unless we come together as the whole of humanity and agree on what slavery is supposed to be like, and agree that it's supposed to be evil, we can't make an objectively valid statement about its morality, because everyone could just have a different standard of what it should be like.

[@donnakeferlis1649]

He called back after 5 weeks... He had 5 weeks to prepare... And this is what he came up with?

[@TheSnoeedog]

....he managed to get the phone dialled without setting himself on fire, that's a testament to the efficacy of his homeschooling...

[@donnakeferlis1649]

@@TheSnoeedog 😆😅

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

As soon as someone says there's nothing that could change their mind, there's no point in even speaking with them.

[@itsJPhere]

Someone once said: "For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing." So if they are spreading nonsense and polluting people’s minds, as evangelical theists do, what would be the point in letting them continue to do what they do?

[@somersetcace1]

@@itsJPhere True, though there's a difference between exposing the irrational, and changing someone's mind. However, I agree it's important not to let nonsense go unexposed. Even the most ridiculous ideas can be dangerous if left unchecked.

@@itsJPhere _So if they are spreading nonsense and polluting people’s minds, as evangelical theists do, what would be the point in letting them continue to do what they do?_ You mean polluting with nonsense that human beings have intrinsic worth, which atheists only believe that because they are taught that by Christian values. Just HORRIBLE! HORRIBLE pollution.

_As soon as someone says there's nothing that could change their mind, there's no point in even speaking with them._ I know, it's virtually pointless trying to change antheist's minds. Their self righteousness knows no bounds.

[@behindthescreen2054]

@RaidrWolf I haven't seen that much projection since I last went to an IMAX.

[@johnkeller381]

The idea that God is immoral reminds me of comments I recall from a holocaust survivor. When asked if she still believed in God she stated, "No, but if there is a God, I don't like him." Upon arriving at a Nazi death camp, she was assigned the duty of tidying up after the bodies were removed from the gas chambers. As the gas was sprayed the victims, mostly women and their children, began to claw at the concrete walls in such desperation that they tore the fingernails from the ends of their fingers. She was forced to sweep up and take away their fingernails. Someone else would be responsible for washing away the blood. During these years of cleaning up many thousands of tiny fingernails she asked God, through her pitiful prayers, some obvious questions. This supposedly omnipotent, all loving God apparently couldn't be bothered to answer, let alone stop, this atrocity. Of course, this is just one example of God's capricious and immoral nature.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

👍

[@tonyclements1147]

So much for “God’s chosen people” to be able to depend on him. He’ll find car keys and help celebrities and sports teams win, but the stuff that really matters..it’s like he’s imaginary.

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

I almost feel sorry for the god character because if he existed, he would have definitely appeared or spoken up by now. There’s no way a sentient being who is supposedly that all knowing and powerful, would let his name be dragged through the mud this bad without intervening.

[@lh1673]

What a sad history. It’s only when we start to wake up we will think deeply about these sorrowful history and can start to question God, What EVIL and SORROW is enough for you to END it!? And I realized, YOU never punished Satan in your book stories, it always was human and animals, even innocent little ones😢

[@69eddieD]

That's exactly how I feel about fake Gawd.

[@Mr_Porter]

I always chuckle when repeat callers who've been hung up on start the call saying that they were hung up on. I've very rarely seen a repeat caller who gets hung up on come back with a better argument or approach to avoid that happening again.

[@DanTaurusAtheist56]

Heres a quote The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not. The existence or nonexistence of a creator is independent of our desires. A world without God or purpose may seem harsh or pointless, but that alone doesn't require God to actually exist Laurence Krauss

[@eddiewinehosen6665]

Krauss*

[@DanTaurusAtheist56]

​@@eddiewinehosen6665 it's kruas though it was kruss ooh my bad

[@AngelaJonesReviews]

When the caller mentioned that he had been hung up on the week before I just knew he was gonna swing back around to that same topic from last week. 😂😂😂

[@samdajellybeenie14]

I think my favorite excuse given by religious people when I remind them that god explicitly sanctions slavery is "Well that was the Old Testament, we're under the New Testament now." But it's still the same god that said it was okay right?? A different god didn't take the Old Testament God's place right?

[@PrivateSi]

Slavery exists in many forms historically and we wouldn't be where we are today without it, for better or for worse. Why is American Atheism a religious cult full of cancellors and censors?

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

The best (or worst) part is that even the New Testament says "slaves, obey your masters"

[@PrivateSi]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor .. Better than being punished or killed as happened to deserters and rioters. Practical.

[@Beastt17]

AND... the New Testament sanctions all of the laws from the Old Testament "every jot and every tittle", Matthew 5:17-18.

[@isaiahfisher2337]

The other thing to ask is... Then why teach the Old Testament at all? If God really had that big a change of heart, if he changed that much and so did his message, then why do we trust any of the "Old" laws and stories about him? Why teach all of that bullshit if it's only Jesus Christ who matters? For that matter, why do we teach anything OTHER than the Gospels?

[@maxm2639]

Great responses by the hosts. I especially like: "You're better than your god!" To disagree, you have to say (& think): "No, really, I'm no better than He is!"

[@lostexplorersguild767]

“he” … because of course the imagined god is “male” … ? Truly, a man-made concept.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

There is a quote that should make you smile, it's from one of Ankh-Morpork greatest Philosophers Didactilos Lord Vetinari. "And that's when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

[@seekthevisceral]

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 My favorite character in the Discworld! Former assassin turning into the 'benevolent' tyrant that we know and love. :)

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

@@seekthevisceral 🍻🦧

[@Leith_Crowther]

People have come back with that. It’s sad.

[@seekthevisceral]

'Imprisonment is an injury, regardless of how you justify it.' -Picard, Next Generation

[@Drewbius333]

"A comfortable prison is still a prison."

[@modernenglishman7802]

Can you imagine how much better the bible would sound if it were written by good writers. It would still advocate for terrible immoral things, but it might be a good read.

[@anthonycraig274]

When they says North Carolina, it give me so many connotations and this caller embodies all of them.

[@andrewmcmillan6972]

I don’t think these people are better than their god whatsoever. I think they’re right there with him.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

The character they view as the ultimate moral authority shows an abject willingness to lie to, enslave, and murder humans. I can see why you'd think that.

[@justincredible.]

That's religion, decent people defending atrocities!

[@slumlord2625]

this guy is delusional

[@PrivateSi]

So are Lefty Libs as there are more slaves than ever since Slavery was 'banned', esp. in The US. Trafficked People and Prison Labour.

[@franciscosustek7249]

Most callers are...

[@PrivateSi]

@@franciscosustek7249 .. Censorship here is delusional. Slavery in the US is much higher than it was before slavery was illegal. FACT. Prisoners and Illegals.

[@MarkoVukovic0]

@@PrivateSi Care to cite some evidence? How are prisoners slaves? I get that illegals could be exploited, sure.

[@jimscanoe]

I strongly suspect the guy is just trying desperately to keep his cash cow alive-to keep his *Sky Daddy* scam bringing in the tax-free money.

[@Sundae_Times]

Just a few of the Bible passages that confirm the immorality of God/Jesus 🤮 1 Thessalonians 5: 1-4 Deuteronomy 22: 11 Deuteronomy 23: 1-2 Deuteronomy, 25: 11-12 Ephesians 6: 5 Exodus 12: 29 Exodus 20: 5 Exodus 21: 7 Genesis 6: 17 Isaiah 45: 7 Leviticus 18: 22 Leviticus 19: 19 Leviticus 20: 13 Luke 14: 26 Matthew 5: 22 Matthew 10: 34-37 Numbers 4: 27 Numbers 14: 18 Numbers 31: 1-54 Proverbs 13: 24 Psalms 137: 9 Titus 2: 9

[@jasperhernandez5931]

@@Sundae_Times many of those were justified

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

​@@jasperhernandez5931 If the god is OMNIPOTENT then that's usually irrelevant. Finding a better way should be trivial for such a being.

[@janstapaj9689]

​@@jasperhernandez5931wow,you no what you can go and sayed to your GOD from I becouse I can see you talk to him .He can go f*ck himself!!

[@XarXXon]

@@jasperhernandez5931 Owing and beating slaves, commanding and committing genocide, stoning people,... are never justified. But thanks for admitting that you don't have a clue about morality.

[@jasperhernandez5931]

@@XarXXon people who stoned were pedos, murders etc of course you will be crying over Them typical atheist

[@thomastrinkle2294]

God in the Bible views slavery as acceptable. That's bad enough.

[@bobbybecker3572]

"the Bible doesn't tell Christians to convince people, just to share" Yeah that's why Elijah had the burnt offering competition, cuz that was his version of "sharing", not cuz he was "convincing"

[@shrews12001]

@@bobbybecker3572 that whole destroying every "primitive" culture on earth and forcing their people to use good Christian (read: white as white can WHITE) names was purely accidental

[@tekbarrier]

Not only does he think it's a virtuous thing that he's unwilling to change his mind, but he projects that intellectual stubbornness and dishonesty onto other people by assuming they would never change their mind regardless of what the evidence points to

[@noelgonzalez9549]

These conversations are SO FRUSTRATING! Religion is terrible.

[@Beerglass1980]

Its sad what religion can do to people

[@maxfrisch1911]

True or false: morality existed long before the Bible came along.

[@queuecee]

True. Morality existed even before humans existed. By humans, I mean Homo sapiens. We see things that we would label as moral behaviors in many social organisms. It's almost as if there's some innate behavior that evolved for animals that have to live with others of its kind. More than likely, this moral trait independently evolved in multiple different species.

[@lulolie]

​@@queuecee traits is called empathy :D

@@queuecee There's robust scientific work being done right now on empathy in various species.

[@jaygill5582]

The southern accent and the word "babble"...makes sense

[@Mystrohan]

True. Also, if you're going to claim that the Bible is moral, you're using your OWN moral judgment, which by necessity must have existed prior to your ever cracking open a Bible.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

Let's say you interpret "you shall not steal" to imply "don't take people's freedom". Boom, checkmate atheists, our system of belief does condemn slavery! Right? Except... if "you shall not steal" implies "don't take people's freedom", wouldn't it also imply "don't take people's lives"? And if so... why is there a separate commandment for killing? It's because the one about theft really is just about theft. It does not imply anything else. Which should already have been apparent given the detailed and very explicit instructions about slavery in the book. If it were forbidden, the only instructions around it would be punishment for doing it.

[@christopheraaron8299]

11:10 A good way to answer that would be to say; "I don't believe God exists, however, in the biblical stories, the fictional character known as 'God' is immoral." That's basically the same as saying "Voldemort is immoral." You can answer his question without accepting his premise.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

For so many of these theists, the point is not to demonstrate God. It's to get you on their side and count you among their number. Make you a Christian, not a theist.

[@TedMishler]

@@Wh40kFinatic I think do too, but the well meaning type might just like to meet others too I bet, like an extended family

[@TedMishler]

I think so too, typo

[@vernonlomax1721]

Why do these apologists for biblical slavery only view the topic from the slave owner perspective and never from the slave’s standpoint?

[@AussieNaturalist]

Its sad listening to people perform mental gymnastics to try justify their support and or worship of something so immoral.

[@mistylover7398]

And evil God

[@SerranoSalazar]

@@AussieNaturalist As I read somewhere, gymnastics require discipline, practice and attempts to improve. They're not doing mental gymnastics. It's mental finger painting at best

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@SerranoSalazar In one color: gray

[@smochygrice465]

Gods not just immoral, God is the foundation of immorality. Being a solo artist means all glory is to God 🙏 And a good Sunday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️

[@RWGish]

There's a scene in an old TV western where one gunman asks another gunman, who has come to kill him, if there was anything he could say to make the gunman not want to kill him. The second gunman said "No." So the first gunman didn't say another word, he just immediately drew his pistol and shot the other guy right between the eyes.

[@Godless-Being]

So what does that have to do with this?

[@RWGish]

@@Godless-Being Think of it as an allegory illustrating the tragedy that is a closed mind that refuses to learn, like the caller.

[@TomSanders-mi2bg]

What a fool religious people can be

[@sherrix6881]

Awful example.

[@johnelliott5859]

This was a main part of my deconstruction. The god of the bible is not always the morally perfect loving being, but at times commands and or commits immoral acts. Joshua alone was enough to demonstrate a deity who was a genocidal maniac.

[@mistylover7398]

Or evil God.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

Theists really need to *GROW UP,* as do their kiddie fiddling gods!

[@Leith_Crowther]

Let the trolls have the comments section. It’ll promote AXP to all their theist buddies.

[@MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo]

This argument from the caller is a lot of mental gymnastics in order to justify a weak belief system.

[@mistylover7398]

Yup

[@angelsrosena]

the laws we live today are the ones created by humans, never by this "god"...

[@terrypanayiotou3485]

I always get bible bashed left right and center and i live in Australia that the oldest human civilization southern indigenous, but no the world was made 2k years wtf

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

Bloody hell, is there a shite load of churches near you? I'm on the GC and have bugger all churches near me, that's one of the reasons I moved to a new suburb, the old place was getting chock full of churches.

[@terrypanayiotou3485]

And mosque add that to the list im in more hammed land

[@paulciavardoni8069]

The caller is beyond help!

[@mistylover7398]

Exactly. ✝️🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖

[@queuecee]

True or False You reject Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, leaf be upon her, because you’re mad at Her!

[@Sundae_Times]

How ungrateful of him after Lisa stuck her neck out for him!

[@Dutch_Vander_Linde_]

Which channel is that from again?

[@queuecee]

@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ I believe it's TheSkepTick.

[@Dutch_Vander_Linde_]

@@queuecee I remember that guy.

[@Dutch_Vander_Linde_]

@@queuecee thx

[@johnsperry9494]

Would someone write about the care and treatment of dogs if he thought it was wrong to own dogs? Of course not. Now substitute the word slave for dog. Hmmm....

[@SolidAir54321]

@15:54 Don't forget, slavery is still legal in the US as a punishment for a crime according to the 13th amendment to the Constitution.

[@joseelizondo8028]

Really? The people in the prison are slaves?? Can I buy one?? How much do they cost??? What an idiot!!!!

[@TimothyDuffy-j5i]

Yes, and technically, we can and should make Christianity illegal as they are slavery, too, and just like they have been fearing ever since slavery was illegal. Indeed, things would be much easier for Christianity had slavery never been abolished just like they had it that way when they took over Monarchy's by Political corruption just like they do in America, today.

[@Mxxx-ii9bu]

@SolidAir54321 I'm curious. In reading the text of the 13th the clause "except as a punishment for a crime..." immediately follows "involuntary servitude." Do you know if federal courts have interpreted the 13th to extend the punishment for a crime clause to modify both involuntary servitude AND slavery? I looked but my research efforts proved fruitless.

[@SolidAir54321]

@@Mxxx-ii9bu No. I have to admit I don't know the difference between involuntary servitude and slavery except that maybe involuntary servitude is less severe and may not involve being owned. And I also don't know what you mean by "modify".

[@Mxxx-ii9bu]

@SolidAir54321 Reading the 13th it says "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime..., shall exist within the United States..." The question becomes does the phrase 'except as punishment for a crime' modify (apply to) involuntary servitude only or does it modify (apply to) slavery also. Does that make sense? If the 'punishment for a crime' phrase only modifies involuntary servitude then the 13th would be interpreted to mean (1)no slavery is allowed in the US and (2)involuntary servitude is only allowed as punishment for a crime. But if it modifies both slavery and involuntary servitude then the interpretation would be that slavery (as well as involuntary servitude) is allowable if it is punishment for a crime. It is just a question about how to properly interpret the Amendment. I don't know but I hoped maybe you might. But evidently we are both clueless. Thanks for responding.

[@jodytrees]

Wow he is defending slavery but then at 13:40 he says don't take someones freedom. Does he not think thats what slavery is?

[@InterestsMayVary2234]

20 minutes of a Christian who will not answer the question because he KNOWS he is supporting a system that is disgusting.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

To justify his beliefs, he seeks to force others to join him.

[@markpolice3585]

I'm glad that I'm allergic to shellfish. I don't wanna burn in hell.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

I hope you don't wear mixed fabrics or trim the sides of your beard...

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Horrible people and religion mix SO badly, but so easily and often.

[@stevecole3917]

Poor bastard has to twist himself into a freaking pretzel.

[@bobbybecker3572]

IQ test for existence

[@LoriRhodes-go3sk]

He lives in North Carolina. Period. 😂

[@shrews12001]

If he's real he's fully evil unless he's far more impotent than he is claimed to be.

[@tonyclements1147]

Considering He can’t heal an amputee according to the Bible’s description of how prayer works, it’s safe to say he either doesn’t care or he’s imaginary.

[@carter358]

@9:00 Why is it whenever you catch a Christian in their B.S. they always say "Well let me ask you this , let me ask you a question..."? Why is everything a dodge and mental gymnastics with these people?

[@amtlpaul]

True or false: JNTO keeps asking the same questions over and over again because he has no genuine interest in the answers.

[@Sundae_Times]

Well, the coward never responds to our questions or counterarguments, so even he probably doesn't believe the crap he spouts.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

True.

[@Jellyclaws221]

Who is JNTO

[@artemisnite]

Callers like this are absolute proof gawd isn't real.

[@amtlpaul]

JNTO is an example of someone who is corrupted by religious dogma. 🙄

[@Mxxx-ii9bu]

Matthew's dishonesty is so telling. The truth shall set you free Matthew.

[@aximute]

In November, Matthew will probably vote for an orange convicted fellow fake Christian. Will you go vote?

[@scottnelson9]

Only one of them is a fake Christian, but they’re both a danger to society.

[@voodoochild5440]

To be fair, his only other option is to vote for a black haired fake christian 😉

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Blorth Carolina LET'S GOOOOO!

[@brooks3376]

Listening to christian callers on this show made me an atheist. Way to go, christians.

[@joshsheridan9511]

According to low bar bill (William Lane Craig] Jesus preformed a miracle in every town he visited to prove his divinity. True Christians are supposedly able to do any miracle Jesus did. Makes you wonder if there are any true Christians. 😁😁😁

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

Presumably, assuming the story is true, the "true" christianity got wiped out early on. Maybe around the time Paul took over.

[@amtlpaul]

True or false: JNTO demands that HIS notions get special treatment because they are HIS, demonstrating his egotism.

[@het53]

He who does not know the truth cannot truly have faith; for by nature knowledge precedes faith.

[@Godless-Being]

Let’s not forget that “God” is a thug as well, just because in case if anyone asks

[@queuecee]

@@JimCastleberry Have you considered decaf?

[@t800fantasm2]

@@JimCastleberry Hey Troll you never prove anything and he wasn't lying... You don't like his comment then grow up... He was stating an opinion... F**k you need mental help....

[@thejabberwocky2819]

​@@JimCastleberryThe flood.

[@redpillpusher]

@@JimCastleberry prove "god" exists first and then we'll talk.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@JimCastleberry _"I've delivered the proof and evidence"_ *LIED* JimEdith as she calls others liars like a true hypocritstian.

[@justincredible.]

"I've seen nothing new" calls in to defend a 2000 Year old book

[@RandomStuff-i4i]

The title says Even if God is real, He is immoral. Not as immoral as this fkd up society is.

[@Sundae_Times]

Largely thanks to religion

[@RandomStuff-i4i]

@@Sundae_Times I'm not talking about religion. Even if God is real (God is not a religion) He is immoral. Not as immoral as society is and society is immorally fkd up.

[@Sundae_Times]

@@RandomStuff-i4i I know - I'm saying society is largely fucked up _because_ of religion. Religion has been fucking up the World in one way or another for millennia.

[@Dutch_Vander_Linde_]

​​@@RandomStuff-i4iReally? This society is more immoral than this Christian God? The same God who drowned every land animal on earth in a global flood? The same God who unleashed 2 bears on 42 children? The same God who tortured Job to test him? Nah, the average person in a secular society is far better than this God. Those in religious societies may be more evil than your God because of their religion.

[@queuecee]

@@RandomStuff-i4i No. God is not religion. Religion exists. Your god does not. But without a religion, these god stories would not propagate through our society. And you being a hyper-sensitive snowflake because your can't adapt to changes in society is a YOU problem. Generally, those that can't adapt go the way of the dinosaurs. You are like the whale oil industry. As soon as electricity was available, that industry went away.

[@Xaphnir]

The counter-argument they make, obviously, is that it's impossible for God to be immoral, because what's moral or not is dictated by him. I remember once I got someone to say that if God declared murder moral then they would consider it moral.

[@sherrix6881]

That happened on the show

[@damonkenny7818]

God provides the principles, reasons and justifications for the moral questions of substance, essence, meaning and purpose in human life and the universe. A true moral-ontology accounting for universal moral obligations to exist. The immoral god hypothesis of atheism, is just another excuse for atheism to never have to provide for any moral foundation which accords with reality. Meanwhile atheists shift their burdens onto their adversaries when it comes to every single question of substance and blame the Bible for immorality.

[@Sundae_Times]

Oh look, the serial plagiarist is back.

[@damonkenny7818]

@@Sundae_Times The lie is all you have to defend yourself with.

[@amtlpaul]

Wrong again. What you say has absolutely nothing to do with morality as practiced by human beings- the day to day business of figuring out how to act in ways that help bring about the communities, societies and the world we want. You have no useful guidance to provide on that score.

[@quentind1924]

If it makes the worlds worse, it’s immoral. If it makes the world better, it’s moral. It’s a very simple way to define moral and immoral without needing god

[@Sundae_Times]

@@damonkenny7818 OK, plagiarist

[@redpillpusher]

it never ceases to amaze me how easily "god" believers spew the most obvious dishonest rhetoric and think ppl will actually be fooled by it... oy 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@petersage5157]

I know Fender Stratocasters exist. I don't worship them. I don't worship the musicians who play them well either, though I value their music as cultural enrichment. I know that people have gone to and walked on the moon. This was a great cultural and technological achievement. I don't worship the moon landings. I know that agriculture exists; countless billions of humans have benefited from the nutrition and community provided by the agricultural revolution. I do not worship agriculture. These are net cultural positives that I don't worship. Why would I worship any thing that is a net negative?

[@BrotherTshepang]

By assuming God is immoral should He be real is making a arbitrary judgement. By appealing to morality, inevitably one has to presuppose morality to an intelligent mind, prior to the human mind. If there is no God, there is no objective morality, therefore your assessment of His piety and diety is relative, and therefore according to your beliefs the opposite of your assessment is as equally valid as your assessment.

[@andrewtuff216]

"One has to presuppose morality to an intelligent mind, prior to the human mind". No not really matey. And this intelligent mind you refer to seems very inconsistent. God says "thou shalt not kill". A little while later Moses comes across a man gathering sticks on the sabbath and God says "Surely he must be put to death. Bring the gang out and stone him". Could you explain that?.

[@mirjov8323]

And the man did not receive any medical attention for what was a seizure. Despicable

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Who, Saul who became Paul?

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

caller is tap dancing in a severe vortex of cognitive dissonance and splashes of hypocrisy.

[@hansj5846]

The "reason" is that he was born in North Carolina

[@nietzscheII-oz4zj]

my personal kind of pascal's wager: i hate the abrahamic god just in case he exists.

[@gadzooks2763]

My wife believes the Christian God is real, and she does not worship him because she thinks he's an asshole

[@jiubboatman9352]

When people like Mathew talk the way he does. I can't help but think of a super can at comic con talking to a show cast member. The cast member knows the character is fictitious but the fan talks to the actor as if they are the character.

[@stevecole3917]

I believe in obsequiously groveling in the dust at a deity's feet. 😅

[@powbobs]

Kazuha is 100% not a Korean beauty. She is 100% a Japanese beauty.

[@CalinoFG]

The Cherry picking is just UNBELIEVABLE‼️

[@amtlpaul]

No, JNTO, I figure it's a strawman wot dunnit.

[@chadpatterson9796]

Faith is not truth! beliefs are not facts!

[@harrowdrut6316]

If I was Christian, I would just put my foot down and defend everything in the bible.

[@wysonlegion5398]

I know right, at least you’d be honest at that point.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

​@@wysonlegion5398 There's no such thing as an honest theist.

[@Glasschin2.0]

I’ve never naturally owned a slave or wanted to.

[@mmoreno7137]

So Matthew is saying if he can't win then there is no point to argue, but he is going in where the other party can't win. Double standard, hypocrisy and/or dishonest.

[@russbroda7207]

Owning me, I would have to say is the ultimate oppression of me. I could be wrong though. Are meals included 😊 ?

[@greatdayn4651]

👍

[@rimrock1000]

What a jerk. This guy couldn’t convince me of almost anything

[@morganramsay7628]

Oh the hoops to be jumped through to validate a God belief. Willful invincible ignorance alive and well.

[@summeryager4304]

Also God could have not given us the ability to know what owning slaves was. Angels know God for sure and I'm sure they aren't inslaving other angels. So for God believing people to own slaves because their God/Bible says so.... Idk just doesn't add up to me.

[@ketari706]

If God truly exists, and all of existence proceeds from Him, wouldn’t that make his morality the standard and it’s us who has a marred understanding of what is good or not? I’m genuinely curious as why the argument that grants Gods existence still has any validity in disagreeing with what is ultimately good and just. If you grant Gods existence you are by definition saying you are the one who is immoral and unjust. By following your will and not Gods, you claim to have a higher moral authority than the creator of morality itself, defeating your own argument

[@charlestownsend9280]

How does creating something mean that you're also an expert on morality?

[@ketari706]

@@charlestownsend9280 because if you grant the Christian God’s existence, you would be granting that His character is what morality is ultimately built upon. The argument saying that God is immoral doesn’t work given morality flows based upon his own character and not the other way around. It’s self-defeating.

[@kendrickjahn1261]

People are so weird.

[@philosophyfrog2653]

What a massive waste of oxygen. Why engage in a discussion if you’re not willing to present or listen to any arguments.

[@roblena7977]

How come god didn't change his mind on homosexuals?

[@h.c.9738]

Yes, that God would be a piece of shit. But would that be Holy Shit?

[@ericrobertson1557]

Why is there an ad every 3 fucking minutes

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Pressure from interest groups.

[@sV3Z1]

don't support coke

[@AbleAnderson]

Never could stand this caller. Very smug and blatantly doesn’t listen to them, has a script to get through

[@zeraphking1407]

He's immoral because...... Why exactly?

[@thejabberwocky2819]

The flood, supporting slavery, commanding jenocide. If you need more, you're just as immoral as your god

[@mistylover7398]

🤨

[@zeraphking1407]

@@mistylover7398 Seems like a fairly straightforward question. From an atheist perspective, why is God immoral?

[@mistylover7398]

@@zeraphking1407 🤨🤦‍♂️. Seriously you people really still can't look at wha evil gawd can do az a puppet master guz it makes him look bad so you ignore how murdering babies or children iz evil?? You people really actually need help.

[@zeraphking1407]

@@mistylover7398 You didn't answer my question.

[@Karl-Benny]

Nothing New in scripture

[@analizandoliteratura9958]

The bible it is not Moral much less Legal !!!

[@CraigAnderson-h2h]

No, you missed something. Human's were given Free Will, we are the immoral ones. If God intervened we'd be no more than puppets on a string.

[@thejabberwocky2819]

1. If god is omniscient, free will doesn't exist 2. Free will doesn't automatically make one immoral, and we weren't immoral until your God messed up and left the tree of knowledge in easy reach. God intervenes constantly in the bible, usually in evil ways

[@CraigAnderson-h2h]

@@thejabberwocky2819 Don't make assumptions about what I may or may not believe. I find it amusing when atheists decide to prseltize about their non belief. LOL! Why bother?

[@thejabberwocky2819]

@@CraigAnderson-h2h I didn't assume what you believe, try reading this time Notice that word IF at the start of my very first sentence? It's not there for show. I'd rather everyone who votes stopped engaging in magical nonsense thinking. I have to share a reality with you, I'd prefer you took part in it with me.

[@18dot7]

God has a master plan. God has all your life planned. "Worship me or suffer from xy" is the end of all free will. Free will? Are you really that gullible? Your terrible belief is the core of fascism. "One people, one reich, one leader-death to all dissidents"-no different than Nazi Germans back then. YOU are a puppet on a string if you believe such nonsense. The puppet of those claiming they'd know what some magical being wants-a being they cannot prove exists. Faith is a terrible advisor. It makes you a victim of those claiming they'd understand/know want that magical beings demands.

[@mistylover7398]

​@@thejabberwocky2819 another ✝️🤖🤖🤖🤖. Lol

[@Andre-zw5kl]

Genuine question for my atheists on this comment section. Am I the only one here with an issue on marriage? I mean what it means and in specially what it used to mean?

[@Sundae_Times]

Who's your atheist?

[@queuecee]

Also, assuming you are a theist, you CAN call into the show, either the AXP or even Talk Heathen.

[@Andre-zw5kl]

​@@queueceewhen is the live starting? Because it might be a little late for me as I'm french and I wouldn't want to wake up my girlfriend in the middle of the night. And also I'm an atheist

[@Andre-zw5kl]

​@@Sundae_Timesmy bad, I meant to say atheists.

[@Sundae_Times]

@@Andre-zw5kl Yeah, the timing isn't ideal. It'll be 3am in France.

[@analizandoliteratura9958]

There is only real representations of the "God" of the bible. Why don't you believe in the Chinese Gods, have you asked yourself???

[@TooCringeToAssociateWith]

Enough with this bs about "true christianity"

[@MalawisLilleKanal]

What's up with the fucking censoring?

[@Sundae_Times]

What specifically do you believe has been censored?

[@Leith_Crowther]

Probably KZbin. They censor stuff. Also, welcome to KZbin.

[@MalawisLilleKanal]

@@Sundae_Times Several places, like 16:28 Edit: Watched some more, and it seems like it's rather some kind of technical error cutting the sound at several instances. Had it on in the background, and I assumed they muted swearing.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

@@MalawisLilleKanal You do know that the video is from an old show?

[@MalawisLilleKanal]

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Yes