The Atheist Experience 703 with Matt Dillahunty and Åron-Ra

The Atheist Experience 703 from April 3, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Åron Ra.
Aron Ra talks about his Magic Sandwich Show and answers viewer calls with Matt Dillahunty.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:50- Intro & Announcements- Matt Dillahunty
5:40- Gonzalo (atheist): discusses Bill Donohue, communion wafers and transubstantiation
16:54- Chris (atheist): contrasting science and religion, debating with theists
28:08- Cameron: Texas textbooks
30:10- Daniel (atheist): was horrified watching the 'Jesus Camp' documentary
38:31- Ed (atheist): disturbing aspects of the Mormon church, polygamy
50:00- Atheist at Large (atheist): oxytocin diminishes logic processes, encouraging religious belief, incestuous homosexuality between Ham and Noah
57:12- Sonia: asks why the Bible is insufficient to prove God's existence
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[@TheAtheistExperience]

5:40- Gonzalo (atheist): discusses Bill Donohue, communion wafers and transubstantiation 16:54- Chris (atheist): contrasting science and religion, debating with theists 28:08- Cameron: Texas textbooks 30:10- Daniel (atheist): was horrified watching the 'Jesus Camp' documentary 38:31- Ed (atheist): disturbing aspects of the Mormon church, polygamy 50:00- Atheist at Large (atheist): oxytocin diminishes logic processes, encouraging religious belief, incestuous homosexuality between Ham and Noah 57:12- Sonia: asks why the Bible is insufficient to prove God's existence

[@cbbuntz]

Premise 1: You eat the body of Christ at communion Premise 2: You shit what you eat / What you eat turns to shit. Conclusion: Jesus is shit. Sincerely, William Lane Craig

[@cbbuntz]

oremfrien Premise 1: Christians eat the body of Jesus Christ at communion Premise 2: Eating the body of another human is cannibalism Conclusion: Christians cannibalize Jesus Christ Sincerely, William Lane Craig More on Biblical cannibalism available in these verses: www.openbible.info/topics/cannibalism www.nairaland.com/113181/cannibalism-bible-det-28-53-57

[@oremfrien]

Fair enough. I was just objecting to typical overly simplistic logic that makes implicit assumptions that are incorrect, which is why I pointed out the "shit" issue. I have no objection to cannibalism issue. The one question I would ask is why cannibalism is seen to be immoral or undesirable. Typically, the immorality derives from two sources: (1) a person has to be killed or die, and (2) we find the idea of eating another person's flesh gross. As for (2), finding something disgusting says nothing about its morality. As for (1) that would not apply in the case where Jesus willingly sacrificed himself and told his followers to consume his flesh. These things completely change in the other verses you cited (Leviticus 26:29, 2 Kings 6:28, Ezekiel 5:10, and Lamentations 4:10) where the context is typically that people are committing cannibalism both against their will and against the will (ostensibly) of the person being consumed. I would posit that this violation of a person's will to choose what they would do on serious matters and compelling innocent victims to die so they can be eaten is another immoral thing. Additionally, in several cases, the "cannibalizer" and the "cannibalizee" are related, so this also broaches the fundamental unity of the family. Finally, it is worth noting that none of those other verses refer to commandments, but either to prophecies or explicit events where Israelites found themselves starving and reduced to cannibalism. Cannibalism is never positively seen in the Bible outside of the Eucharist.

[@cbbuntz]

oremfrien Woah. You are taking this too seriously.

[@oremfrien]

If you say stupid nonsense without thinking it through and being skeptical of your approach, you cannot claim to have higher ground than the Theists who you object to. That is all.

[@cbbuntz]

oremfrien It was a joke. Of course I didn't think it through. You were debating me on a joke I made. That is all.

[@adamf6974]

Critical thinking; God's kryptonite.

[@aron6964]

Adam F That, and iron chariots (Judges 1:19) Cheers

[@hillaryhonde8425]

People's kryptonite. Not God. God doesn't exist.

[@ImplosiveCatt]

+Adam F Don't eat fruits from the tree of knowledge or I'll fuck you up. Pol Pot's priority was to exterminate teachers and intellectuals.

[@ydnar0591]

"Critical thinking;"...~ The HELL & DAMNATION...of the "CRITICAL THINKER"...~.toward GOD.!. ....Lest they "REPENT"...!??? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; "and there was found no place for them". 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the "book of life": and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and "death and hell delivered up the dead" which were in them": and "they were judged every man according to their works". 14 And "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire". This is the "second death." 15 And "whosoever was not found written in the book of life"~ was cast into the lake of fire."~Revelation 20:11-15~ ...KJV ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Get SAVED.....ie..."BORN AGAIN".....before it's TOO LATE..!...When we DIE, IT'S TOO LATE to use your "MEASURE OF FAITH"..!....GOD has given EVERY MNA & WOMAN" a MEASURE of "FAITH in HIM"...!..~..even YOU..~..It's up to each man ...as to whether he uses it "WISELY".?..or ...NOT at ALL"..!? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ("BORN AGAIN" ~John 3:3-7~ ..KJV)......//////......~Romans 10:9-13~ ..KJV) "3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as "God hath dealt to ~every man~ the "measure of faith."~Romans 12:3~ ....KJV

[@cyansloth1763]

Dude this is like a vicious bumper sticker. I'd love it but as irrational as some theists can be I'd be afraid of getting shot! 😂

[@Andulsi]

I've read the Bible. As I read it, the further I got, the more I question became: how the hell did anyone ever believe this?

[@upplsuckimcool16]

Andulsi Usually the case.

[@24magiccarrot]

+youreconfused Take a moment to figure out why the information in science books changes annually? Okay I don't trust your critical thinking skills enough so I'll tell you the answer. The reason is science is always looking for the most accurate data. As a result as new information becomes available the conclusions change. If science was some conspiracy theory against God, it would just make up stuff and never change. Science by definition takes tentative positions based on the best information currently available, and the information in text books doesn't change on a whim, but based on the fact that they have newer more accurate information. And Biological evolution has irrifutably been proven. Change over time has been proven both in the lab and in the field even to the point of speciation. In regard to Science not being able to explain where the initial ingredients to everything came from. Saying I don't know is a credible answer. Science not knowing doesn't make any explanation that you believe in true. And answer me this on what basis does anyone deserve hell? Sure everyone at some point in their life has done things wrong, but most people haven't done anything that deserves inifite torture for an infinite amount of time. In fact it could be argued that even the worst person ever to live doesn't deserve infinite torture. Besides the bible isn't about never sinning ever. Because according to the bible even if someone never willfully does anything wrong they will still go to Hell simply for not believing something for which they have no reason to do so. And if there is a creator and it is impossible for someone to be without sin, then the conclusion is that there is something fundamentally wrong with the creation, and if that is the case the flaw lies with the creator.

[@buddykowalski]

+A really “The Big Dick” good person I liken the interpretations of the bible by Christians to "fan fiction".

[@rlyeh7]

Was it a copper mine or a gold mine?

[@Ryan-eu3kp]

Andulsi i read the first page and went...wtf lol..

[@uparangi7933]

This show actually played a pivotal role in my becoming an atheist. Thank you Atheist Experience.

[@louistournas120]

+Upa Rangi: Christianity and probably to a lesser extent, judaism and islam are crumbling because there is freedom of speech, because the Bible contains so many silly stories, because the internet exists. Oh yes, mormonism is crumbling pretty quickly in the USA and mormonism is so obviously full of bullshit, it surprises me that there is even 1 person today that believes that con artist. If people were that stupid in the 19 century, they would have bought any crap a thousand years ago when people were even more superstitious and basically nobody had an education or writing skills.

[@thejiminator8816]

I bet you're depressed now

[@h.w.6563]

@@thejiminator8816 I'm willing to bet against that.

[@thejiminator8816]

@@h.w.6563 No God------------> No afterlife---------> No hope ------>We are lost-------------->death ends all -------------------> This is it-----------------> how depressing.

[@h.w.6563]

@@thejiminator8816 Wow and you only needed 6 non sequiturs to arrive at that conclusion.

[@jennadon8224]

Jesus camp was a scary piece of film. To see those children whipped into religious frenzies was disturbing. Thank Zeus my parents never sent me to any place like that.

[@gospyro14]

Both of my role models on one screen. Is this a dream?

[@BolasDaGrk]

There are several shows with this combo on youtube.

[@robertmyers6865]

It will become a nightmare.

[@UTU49]

Wow, you can really tell who wears the hair in this relationship. :P

[@aliceIMF]

this comment tickles me every time i read it. lol

[@tashacrawford770]

I’m a bit jealous of his hair!

[@PlayStation360Gamer]

11:25 When AronRa said fingers in the ear and shaking your head I connected with it instantly. My own mother did this when I challenged her position and said something she could not refute.

[@PlayStation360Gamer]

***** She's 53. She's always been religious but she wasn't deep into it until recently. Ever since my father died back in 2013 she became even more devout. She constantly reads her summarized happy-happy joy-joy version of the bible, listens to the famous mega-church pastors and tries to go to church every Sunday. I don't want to take her religion away from her, same as you in your situation. It's therapeutic for her and helps her get over her grief. Her religion has her in mental crutches and if I even tried to take it away from her at this point she would fall apart. This is why I consider myself largely an anti-theist. I believe religion is a manipulative parasite that preys on people's fear and sadness in an attempt to siphon money from their pockets and make them like sheep so they can't act or think outside of their religion and have to depend on it so much that they feel as though they need to grovel to a God because they were told that they are worthless without that God.

[@ikatgoat8578]

***** Old enough to know better than to believe in fairy tales no doubt !

[@SynergyCeleste]

***** She's hanging on hard to it because her husband just died and she NEEDS to believe to make sense of it... Very gently, maybe you could offer another other option...take her to a Unitarian Church, they are not very religious and more community oriented.... Go with her for a while and enjoy it, she needs your support, in order to feel good about it!

[@insanetester1015]

@@PlayStation360Gamer Religion is even more pernicious in those situations. Religion is as helpful to overcome grief as alcohol or drugs. I not trying to minimize your situation but religion is not helpful at all.

[@edcarson3113]

You guys are sick and lost

[@TheBeatKeeper]

Aron really dislikes Ray Comfort & that was very evident when both of them have a debate on radio. I think his dislike for Ray is warranted because its been shown time & time again that Ray Comfort is a liar... he pretends not to understand the most simplest things.

[@primegamesinc]

I believe that's why he dislikes him so much

[@oopsiepoopsie2898]

I honestly think ray just for some reason can’t understand. Like this church I’m forced to go to right now the people there think they have proven god to me some many times and I just refused to accept

[@jeremyclark3049]

AronRa scared away all the theists! :p

[@MadDawg420]

AronRa and Matt are a great team

[@vinyl45s4ever]

I just don't understand the need for a GOD in all of this? Can't we do exactly the same good things without any of the hokus pokus, the ghosts and the "prayers"? We all die and stay dead. Why is that a problem? Our lives could be so much better by simply keeping everyone honest.

[@Luvguf]

Many people can't accept the fact that there is absolutely no reason for humans to be here. They have this need for purpose. There is no purpose in our lives on the grand scale.

[@jehosaphatstevens657]

Luvguf But God is actually an immensely long-lived alien who guided our evolution so that we would go out and pollute the universe with our seed. So you see, we DO have a purpose.

[@vinyl45s4ever]

youreconfused No matter how all things came into existence, what good is believing GOD DID IT? Why doesn't He show Himself and testify on His own behalf? The God of the Bible is such a miserable monster, it's difficult to imagine He's the all-loving creator, when He's a petty and vain mass murderer. Sounds more like evil FICTION! I embrace my mortality and love this life. Reality for me, NOT faith in fairy tales!

[@jehosaphatstevens657]

vinyl45s4ever I found this link yesterday, and I'm pretty sure that it explains everything: www.fredvanlente.com/cthulhutract/

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Jehosaphat Stevens C'thulhu damn.. it all makes so much SENSE now!

[@jonjosenna5581]

I think these two plus hitch and Stephen Fry, could win any argument/debate ever. But Matt and Ra-man are just powerhouses.

[@24magiccarrot]

Definitely , Matt with his knowledge of the bible and philosophy, and Aron Ra with his knowledge of science, are probably the deadliest combination to any theistic pairing you could muster.

[@24magiccarrot]

+ydnar0591 and do you have any evidence that anything you just said is true?

[@ydnar0591]

Of course....!...The evidence is in the "ancient historical accounts" found in the "ancient scriptures" just as plain as day ..!...~.and like "all history books" , one must decide whether one believes that "history" is right or wrong..?...But how can one do that except by "FAITH"...that the writers are telling the truth....!? ......OR do you also NOT beileve "history" either..?... and,..~.can YOU...."PROVE"... that ~GOD does NOT exist~....?...of course you can have the opinion that there is NO GOD..?...of course....But I can have an opposite opinion..! ~ Evolution is the so-called "alternative" to Creation, that began in the LATE 1800's,....?.........Do you believe "THAT."....? .....the theory of te "Big Bang"...and Evolution is only "about 150 years old"..!.~...and teaches that ~"NOTHING CREATED SOMETHING fron NOTHING"~..!???....and somethng truned into somethng,...and had all of it's food , water and many other needs ALL Planned out and provided for...by a .."NON-THINKING , NON-REASONING'...non-PLANNING ~THEORY,...IN A DRUNKEN MAN'S HEAD" I much prefer to believe the "much sounder historical accounts" THAT "SOMEONE" (JESUS) ~CREATED SOMETHING FROM within his OWN POWER...OR MORE TO THE POINT HIS OWN "HOLY SPIRIT"~...someone who could "THINK" and "PROVIDE" for "MAN'S NEEDS".....and HE did "JUST THAT."...! Evolution can't "THINK or REASON",.(that's a FACT)..nor "PLAN" ahead for MAN"S NEEDS..~ "BUT SOMEONE HAD TO..!.....? ...THOSE NEEDS ARE HERE" AND FULIFILLED BY AN "AWESOME THINKING MIND"...BEYOND THE "NATURAL LIMITITATIONS"' OF SCIENCE.~......that is .."OBVIOUS".. TO EVERYONE, WITH BRAINS..!...OR WITH JUST THE ABILITY TO LOOK AROUND...at CREATION ...and the COSMOS"..! ~ Evolution has ~NO WAY~ of "foreseeing or providing" for the many NEEDS, of MAN or BEAST...?..without the ability to .."THINK"...?..and those being the facts,.?..~..how could a simple ..."THEORY" WITH ~NO HISTORY BOOK" of it's OWN...~. fulfill all of "MAN'S MANY NEEDS"....? ...Evolution has no abilty to "CARE" about the needs of "man or beast"..?....>.Nor can a "THEORY" have any "EMOTIONS".~.THAT ARE MUCH NEEDED;... TO "CARE"...ABOUT "ANYTHING"....!?

[@24magiccarrot]

ydnar0591 Ah so just fallacious arguments that have been refuted several times before.

[@ydnar0591]

THAT'S IT..???..THAT is ALL you got..?..lol BTW: I've YET to hear any man refute the fact that the BB or Evolution...have NO power to THINK..or REASON...or provide for man's LIMITLESS NEEDS...!? SO professor, tell me how the Big Bang & Theory of Evolution....thought about ,..and perfectly provided all of MAN'S NEEDS....!? Maybe YOU can be the FIRST to TRY..!?.......~ I've been doing this stuff for many many years and have not heard one who could REFUTE the assertion,..~that it is impossible~...Not One..? ..so go ahead and EXPLAIN..~....how ANY THEORY CAN THINK?..and PLAN for man & beast to be provided for ..with INTENT & PURPOSE..?...lol

[@davey1602]

The big book of multiple choice, lol I love it

[@nevanderson1164]

BIBLE : the Big Inconsistent Book of Lies and Errors

[@Graylord88]

"Came" upon his nakedness. Ahahahaaha.

[@EvanB43]

HELL YEAH ARONRA. Finally someone who doesn't spend most of the show talking about things we already know and just gets to the calls like the fans want. May the spaghetti monster bless you.

[@LoveScreamTrue]

* May the Spaghetti monster mind you. It is not a god, it is better, therefore "mind you" instead "bless you."

[@darksoul479]

When I was in prison since I had nothing but time, I decided I was going to read the Bible cover to cover, I never made it through the beginning of the book of Genesis. As soon as Cain killed Abel and went over the hill and took a wife, that was it for me. There was no reason to continue at that point. That was a strange time in my life considering that I had been a Christian for 40 years through childhood indoctrination. That is when I started to doubt. But even with the seeds of Doubt sewn at that point it still took decades for it to sink in.

[@othertestchannelbeta]

Two great science and skepticism communicators in one place.

[@robertmyers6865]

WHO?

[@atheistickhan7216]

A Christian ask me if I was god , what would I do to make creation / universe better ? I basically said everything opposite to what biblical god had done in the Bible . 1) Don't create Satan. 2) Give humanity freewill but don't pushed / persist on a test that they will fail ( trees , eve and apple) . 1) Because I'm omniscient and 2) omnipotent or Atleast the most powerful entity in existence. 3) Create more people with genetic diversity rather than doing single couple Adam and Eve and their incestuous children .

[@xHasten]

In order to *honestly* say that something is "beyond our understanding" or that we simply "cannot understand it" - to make that assertion as fact - doesn't that require some level of understanding to begin with? Rather, I think people do understand it, and they don't like what they understand. It's truly evil that you can make otherwise moral people accept utterly immoral things by claiming "we simply just can't understand it..."

[@Edwin-wn7wd]

With a strong enough understanding it can be stated that we can't understand something. It's another thing entirely to state that we can EVER understand something.

[@davids11131113]

The scientific method is our best means to examine and test our observations about our surroundings, while religious dogma is the very worst method.

[@Enigmaticatious]

You give it too much credit to even call it a method.

[@mancak35]

assertion would be a better word than method

[@Enigmaticatious]

H.M. Murdock You cannot even call religious dogma an assertion, because assertions are based on evidence... the only evidence they have are the words written by a man, telling you that they were inspired by something greater. There is nothing to suggest that is true, as anyone can write anything and claim anything... the claim itself does not make it true. I would call it an excuse or a rationalization more than anything... it is said in order to allow the person believing it to meet some need they have to believe it in the first place.

[@mancak35]

Enigmaticatious suppose you are correct

[@mancak35]

youreconfused well all the material it takes to create life came from a mixture of things, one being the sun and another being meteorites or other forms of space debris. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and can be found practically everywhere on earth in almost every thing and carbon isn't very unique either. and then we kind of got lucky that everything fell the way it did and how it did to form the first basic life forms. don't say that people don't know why they are atheists, I'm an atheists because the whole notion of the Christian god as well as all other gods seems very ridiculous to me and on the whole illogical and irrational which directly disproves your theory of all men believe in god thus making athiesm a hoax. most of the time atheists have searched for themselves and found it all to be a load of horse weiners. do not project yourself onto others, is what i'm trying to say

[@bingofingers]

I agree with very thing you have said and I don't want to bore you by labouring the point but I wanted to point out that when people say Dawkins is intolerant and extreme which is frequently the public perception of him they ignore the fact he wrote a letter to his daughter effectively saying you can believe what you want to believe and I won't treat you any different. How many religious people would do that? Monotheistic religions have evolved defence mechanisms to ensure dissent is punished.

[@patchworkpants]

Haha. Matt's face when he gets asked if he can use The Bible to prove science is true. He enjoyed that question too much.

[@FlyinZX10R]

I was raised as a Christian since I was a kid. These last few years I’ve had so many seriously bad life experiences, one after the other that I started to question whether there was a god or not. Thanks to Aron, Matt, Forrest Valkai and Professor Dave, I’ve seen the light. There is so much less pressure now in my life. These guys really helped me more than anyone in my life.

[@louseveryann2181]

Good for you 👍

[@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583]

If you eat Jesus do you also excrete Jesus? 😂

[@louistournas120]

You should watch that video where people find that some patch on their door looks like Jesus, some oil stain on their driveway looks like Jesus, some cookie looks like Jesus, some chips, some toast. I haven't seen poop look like Jesus but I would love to see one.

[@aaronh920]

6 years on and when matt says its almost 5 o'clock, the time on my clock is 4:55. Wow. Now I am a believer.

[@Smith1980]

Its a prophecy I tell u

[@lyzoldas]

I'm gonna go watch the Jesus Camp doc now. Let's see how mad I can make myself!

[@GretgorPooper]

AronRa in The Atheist Experience, that's AWESOME.

[@fantasyreflection]

Isn't "eating the body of Christ" cannibalism?

[@crawfordtillinghast3358]

As much as drinking the blood of Christ is vampirism.

[@fantasyreflection]

Yes and the tho't of doing either makes me gag.

[@mrgaudy1954]

Surely you'd also have to shit Jesus out?

[@crawfordtillinghast3358]

Mr Gaudy I wonder if Jesus gets stuck to one's intestinal wall, as the host (you know, the wafer) gets stuck to the roof of your mouth.

[@willfourth]

Crawford Tillinghast I'm Gluten intolerant, so I'm actually allergic to the body of Christ.

[@Bergzore]

Ray was raped...

[@DavidBeczuk]

Soren G Mean, but hilarious.

[@Aquaria]

"God chose not to demonstrate it today" "My girlfriend who lives out of town couldn't come to the party today." Same lie. Different wording.

[@pdoylemi]

If we ever figured out what in the brain causes religious people to think as they do, we might be able to come up with a medication for it, but how would we get them to take it? And, like a schizophrenic, if they went off their meds, would they revert to their delusion?

[@steevrawjers]

+Pat Doyle we need to do more research on the origins of Christian mental illness . I am very seriously mentaLLy ill due to my Pentecostal church Christian upbringing . Public school education set me free from the bible . Superstition from the age of 2 yrs old to age 18 : 24/7 Christian tv , Christian books , Christian games , Christian schools . And have you ever noticed how when. Christians get you to go to. Church the first thing they want to do is make sure your kids go to a separate room . Weird . Any way great topic and guests , thanks for posting . Very impressive , I recommend this for all ages

[@pdoylemi]

Steev Rawjers I agree, I had Catholic disease for many years too. Fortunately for me, that is not as virulent than the Pentecostal strain.

[@pdoylemi]

glennjridge Yes - that is very possible, because I may have been a Christian and read the Bible, and had reason to think that slavery was a good thing.

[@pdoylemi]

glennjridge Then why did southern preachers and Bishops use the Bible to justify slavery? If they did not, on some level realize that what they were doing was wrong, why would they have needed to appeal to their god to justify it?

[@pdoylemi]

glennjridge You need to study your history - the Bible was used to justify slavery in the USA.

[@crystalheart9]

Love it when Aron-Ra is co-host.

[@krisaaron5771]

I've been an atheist since around 2000, and learned more from this show and Matt's responses and rants (I learn something important and interesting from every host) than in four semesters of college!! I've gotten more courageous about defending my atheistic beliefs and asking hard questions (respectfully) about evidence and proof. I don't know as much as I'd like to skillfully debate a theist, but you're helping me get there!

[@robertmyers6865]

I don't see how people can be so stupid to become an atheist.

[@NWAWskeptic]

I don't like the shows where for various reasons beyond their control, only like-minded atheist callers get on. I understand fully they cannot control who calls, and who stays on hold, and all the many aspects that go into any call-in show. It just makes a boring episode. I think we all prefer to hear the believers and their terrible arguments and logic fails. Especially on the rare AronRa appearances, paired with Matt. It's like having Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb in your lineup and they get nothing but intentional walks all day.

[@starscream731]

NWAWskeptic agreed

[@geraldodonnell2595]

If transubstansiation is true, it is cannibalism

[@TheLadylexy]

I'm confused at your comment. You say God loves everyone, yet you are saying he is sending them to Hell? Contradiction 1. If you are a true Christian, you are supposed to love your fellow humans yes? Yet you say you hate them purely because they don't share the same beliefs as you? Contradiction 2. Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

[@TheZooCrew]

Pascal's Wager? Really? If you're wrong, it DOES matter very much so. What if the Muslims are right? What if the Hindus are right? You're in for THOSE hells if you're wrong and they're right. And since there are tens of thousands of religions (at least), the chance of picking the right one is infinitesimal. NONE of them have any evidence for their god claims.

[@JM-ot8ux]

NO, we want to see a creationist exposed as a fool! THAT'S enjoyable.

[@robertmyers6865]

It's easier to see an atheist EXPOSED AS A FOOL.

[@JM-ot8ux]

@@robertmyers6865 Well, you WON'T SEE THAT HERE, Christer. Go sop along to some Franklin Graham or some Jim Bakker.

[@zeezo34]

AronRa is Carl Sagen if he talked slower

[@Smith1980]

Holy crap . . . your rite !

[@robertmyers6865]

Hardly.

[@zeezo34]

@@robertmyers6865 okay

[@bradas128]

no antitheist claims absolute knowledge.

[@tyrionlannister9273]

This video is 9 years old at the time of my comment. I think we need to start asking one question and stay on it until there's an actual definitive answer, no rewording/ asking a question in rebuttal until it's answered. The question is; What is it these deities get out of/from human worship? I've been asking this for the last few months. Seen alot of redirection, reversing the words and asking it as a different question and no actual answer. Then I follow it it with; Shouldn't you know what your worship is doing for your deity? Priests, ministers, Father's, clergymen of all sorts are literally dumbfounded.

[@bradas128]

aside from the fact that they are all concepts made up by man? if someone says unicorns exist, you can pretty much say they dont until that person provides sufficient evidence for the claim.

[@Supernov4]

Why are the comments disabled on newer videos?

[@firesteel1]

Excellent question. Atheists must maintain freedom of speech, no idea why comments would be turned off

[@jimmychoo2052]

Yes that is half the fun, what happened to free speech? His little button is the thin edge of the wedge.

[@lesnagy3539]

firesteel1 The caller was spot on about the documentary called Jesus Camp..It is the most vile form of indoctrination possible.. Anyone who has doubts about the evil of some Fundamentalists,watch that movie.. Christians they have dealt you a severe blow to your code... It is a disgrace.. Its child abuse..

[@MsTerkup]

I have a feeling that it could be due to the whole Google+ mess. I still don't condone it though.

[@Supernov4]

I think it was like this even before that.

[@BluePiggy]

Communion wafers with queso. That's funny!

[@MultiHLHl]

This guy looks like he should be in a heavy metal band ..yelling "Hail Satan". Coincidence? Probably not.....

[@natetimmins459]

Aron-Ra is an atheist. Satan is just as silly as God.

[@MultiHLHl]

Nate timmins Atheist eh? Or promotes Atheism.... and is in that Ra Egyptian cult shit. So hail Baphomet preferred? Lmao

[@natetimmins459]

Umm, no. He's definitely an atheist, despite whatever you can deduce from his looks.

[@MultiHLHl]

Nate timmins And his name*

[@Moontanman]

Karl Belanger His name is nordic

[@stephentarantino2101]

Not the best episode. All of the callers were atheists. Would have preferred to have theists call in so Aron and Matt could have let'em have it.

[@crackshot91]

lol Aron's face when the last caller is talking about Noah's homosexual encounters. :D

[@unit0033]

The bible does sound like a joke, cant believe people still take it seriously

[@robertmyers6865]

The day is coming when you will change your mind! Mark it down.

[@Naytardo]

That intro song is ridiculous and nerdy.

[@XxPetexXx]

You say that as if it's a bad thing=)

[@pander22]

Haha who'da thought atheist rock would be worse than christian??

[@Naytardo]

Yeah it is in all ways vacuous, which is in some ways impressive.

[@pander22]

Well, I suppose its fitting then… ZING! Haha just kidding, atheists!

[@kainebishop3970]

The first thing I thought was exactly this "Oh man Atheist rock is every bit as bad as Evangel rock.". Seems like Satan has the monopoly on good tunes.

[@PokieKnows]

Love listening to you all! Ironically, I'm playing them one after another while wrapping Christmas presents! Ho ho ho! 100% secular holiday for us.. always has been, always will be! (c;

[@BolasDaGrk]

Agree 100% with Aron when he says, "I could not include hell in any belief system I had." It was the first thing I lost too. I tried to rationalize how God didn't make a mistake and create a devil, and that it/he was salvageable. At the end, why try to salvage the sand castle of religion if it has no water to retain itself when it comes to using reason.

[@heavymeddle28]

Some people is born mentally challenged. Some are born with an arm for a leg and a leg for an arm. And some people are religious

[@_JKings_]

Holy fuck, Aron and Matt together? Good luck now

[@michelleespino9814]

I wish that there were atheist communities here where I live. This show has helped me so much in not being afraid to question religion and now I’m not afraid of being an atheist.

[@thomaslara590]

I'VE ALWAYS SAID ..IF YOU REALLY KNOW /READ THE BIBLE FRONT TO BACK ..YOU HAVE TO BE AN ATHEIST NOW IF YOU ABSORBED WHAT YOU READ..

[@thomaslara590]

YOU HATE STRAIGHTS

[@thomaslara590]

YOU'LL FIND ALL YOUR ANSWERS IN THE BIBLE ..READ IT FROM FRONT TO BACK AND ABSORB EVERYTHING YOU READ AND YOU WILL BECOME AN ATHEIST....ALSO TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THE CHURCHES AND I PROMISE ALL GODS,HEAVEN AND HELL WILL DISAPPEAR..THERE ARE ATLEAST 33K + DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS NOT COUNTING OTHER SUPERNATURAL DOGMA..AND ALL THING EACHOTHER ARE NOT WORSHIPING GOD THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL ..

[@Shadowchild695]

This show doesn't try to make people not believe in God. It tries to make people support their belief in God with evidence. It's not the show's fault that it's impossible to prove the existence of something that doesn't exist.

[@louseveryann2181]

Very good.

[@geraldodonnell2595]

Walking on water is EASY, IF you know where the rocks are!

[@bingofingers]

Thanks for that. I thought you were saying that new atheists think a God cannot exist rather than probably doesn't exist. I still think on a practical level the focus is anti organised religion rather than anti belief. Dawkins has said repeatedly that he thinks people should be free to decide what they want to believe ( hence the open letter to his daughter) He would argue that it is religions that seek to take away the choice. And of course you can believe in God and still be anti religion.

[@bingofingers]

You claim to be saved by a loving God and yet you hate people? I don't think any world view that fills you with hate can be a good thing. If a parent rigged a cookie jar with c4 and told his child that it would explode if he tried to raid it. If the child blew themselves up because he didn't believe the parent does that mean all the fault lies with the child??? I think any being that tortures others for eternity for not worshipping it or believing in it sounds pathetically insecure and evil.

[@xavier5798]

"None of my reasons are proof" Thank you for admitting that. "mathematical statistics weigh in favor of design over evolution" That's blatantly false,evolution is a fact there's no debating that, but by all means link me to these reputable sources :) "2nd is my Conscience"Come on,we now know that religion is NOT the source of morality, quite the opposite in fact. "3rd are my Personal Experiences"I hope you understand that's not a valid reason for believing in a god. "car crash yesterday" proof?

[@oopsiepoopsie2898]

Love these guys, really helped me with having good arguments against theism

[@SIMKINETICS]

The Discovery Institute announced that over 700 scientists had expressed support for intelligent design as of February 8, 2007. One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science". Wow! A whopping 0.15% of such American scientists refute evolution on religious grounds. I'm impressed! ; ]

[@williamweaver7251]

Some people just get sucked up in lies for profit.

[@wesjones6370]

Ironically, a humorous poll was done with which more scientists named Steve signed a statement of accepting evolution as taught. Look up project Steve and commence laughing at the pathetic creationists.

[@BolasDaGrk]

It seems Axp used to be, back during Aron Ra's days of frequent visiting, full of atheist callers. It is a lot more tolerable, reasonable, informative, inspirational, but less entertaining. It is almost as if we like to get a little pissed off, and then laugh at the idiotic beliefs. I wonder why that is...

[@bradas128]

would claiming there are no unicorns be just as irrational and illogical as claiming there are unicorns?

[@CatCrave]

The defense mechanism they're talking about is - "I know you are, what am I?" The simplest and most accurate explanation of it is that they simply don't want you to talk, to use reason, to provide facts all in fear that you will say something that will prove their beliefs wrong. They're afraid of being wrong and you might prove it.

[@raymondminton6388]

I'm curious about what happened to KZbin pariah Venomfang X, I haven't heard about him in years.

[@alistaircurmudgeon6563]

An interesting observation. The christian god is supposedly omnipotent and omniscient - so he knows everything and can do anything. One day whilst waiting at the traffic lights, I saw many christians exiting a church, as services had just finished. Almost every one of them who had to cross the road to their cars, looked both ways before crossing. Why?

[@Voileen]

The point the caller makes at 24:00 (What if ANOTHER God is right, etc.) is what started my process to deconverting from Christianity. For awhile, I didn't really have a problem that A god or some supreme deity or deities MAY exist is was that they were sectioned into human ideas of specific moral code (i.e. religion) and how many of those claim to be the ONLY correct one in existence therefore creating a contradiction if you believed in the Muslim version of God (Allah) and it's moral codes AND the Biblical Protestant version of God . . . it just doesn't work.

[@snarphunter]

What AronRa is wondering about at around 12:00 is called Cognitive Dissonance I think.

[@arthurhunt642]

I agree with several callers in that after reading the entire bible several times, who in the hell can anyone believe in any of this? One thing for sure is that if any of this was brought into court as any evidence for anything, it would be laughed at. If any of the 4 gospels had their writer's answer the question, How many angels angels were in the tomb of Jesus, as well as the rest of the tomb nonsense, ever stand up in court? It's no wonder why the major cathedrals had so much stained glass and artwork. The average parishioners could not read and write. In fact, reading the bible was not done outside of the church and this was probably the main reason for it. Where else would people see such works of art in those days? They wouldn't.

[@BluePiggy]

I'm surprised they didn't mention cognitive dissonance. The tendency of religious believers to protect their beliefs against all reason is indicative of the emotional investment they've put in those beliefs. That's what makes them more willing to be tricked than to recognize they've put their faith in something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[@davidmorse4031]

Im rephrasing in a way I want to use but what a great way to make a point. "If you want to talk about your religion thats fine. If your going to beat me over the head with the stick of your religion, Im taking the stick away." That is not oppression.

[@simeonemascarpone]

That jezus camp woman still has a youtube channel to this day.. The things she says are absolutely insane to me.

[@ThisIsWhyWeFight]

Prove heaven exists. Prove hell exists. Hell, prove your god exists. Otherwise you are merely talking nonsense.

[@mstalcup]

Anybody heard "Chocolate Jesus" by Tom Waits?

[@billmorash3322]

My favorite Tom Waits lines are, "How can the angels get to sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on?" and "You Know there ain't no devil. There's just God when He's drunk"

[@thevirus7368]

mstalcup I was thinking that. I love tom waits.

[@gamebred5x]

My two favorite athiest activists on set💯💯

[@raymondstemmer6562]

These two guy are at the top of their game! can't get much better

[@philipinchina]

The dream team. We miss you, Matt.

[@2msystems740]

I am lucky in one respect, I went through all the indoctrination that children were and are subjected to, though I, for some reason never could bring myself to believe the BS. I still do get angry with both the religious and god bunnies for having created this social conformist construct for their cult and with myself for allowing it and choosing to conform for so long. I am now in the space where I am ready to simply mock this god crowd for the cult beliefs and practices when I am confronted with it and them, rather than going into honest discussion and conversation, which I prefer. The ability to have an honest discussion and conversation has almost been eradicated by the indoctrination that has effectively been imparted on them as children as well, making them adults only suitable to be a feature of evolution. The most difficult part I still find is that they're perfectly intelligent and respectful human beings we / I interact with everyday on a range of life issues, but on these issues they prefer to remain captured. For the sake of our children and future generations, do not give these mf's a safe place for their fbs cults.

[@2msystems740]

Oh, and thank you ACA for verbalising and publicizing honest views and promoting constructive discourse.

[@macharper8214]

good show.

[@mackhomie6]

this song is way better than the newer one!

[@cavebeastdemon3631]

Ra and Dillahunty; a dream team.

[@GravityFailure]

I love The Atheist Experience but when all you have on the show is atheist callers, especially with Aronra there its a waste. I want to hear the discussions with theist callers, its what makes the show enjoyable. A couple short atheist calls and the rest theists is optimum. I'm an atheist and if I have a question for them , I email it, and i get responses.

[@8Tailz]

There are by far wwwwwaaayyyy more religious caller discussion than atheist caller discussion, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

[@gregorystockman4670]

youreconfused So a deity that is not bound by time or space, created time and space? So what you're saying is, you believe in a deity who is all powerful, but not powerful enough to create a stone so heavy that he could not lift it? Surely you can see that it makes no sense whatsoever. There was an exchange on this show in a different episode that I think really explains your deity well. You have a deity that is supposedly all powerful, but he's more than willing to watch a child get raped and say "I won't interfere to stop this, but I'll punish you later for it." If any human being did that, you would call them a fucking monster, plain and simple. By the way, it's not a new argument, but there has yet to be a good answer from anyone believing in a deity: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus

[@massiveannie2358]

for this episode my thoughts exactly but I also realise that theist callers will not call when AronRa is on coz they know they are doomed to embarrassment.

[@JamiePiller]

youreconfused LMAO. Hey dude can you send me some of whatever it is has given you these delusions and belief in imaginary friends? Thanks

[@gregorystockman4670]

Atheism is not a religion, that's simply a contradiction in terms. And to be honest I don't sound like the one being shrill and grasping for straws here. If you're seriously going to claim that evolution says nothing created everything, you clearly don't understand the difference between evolution and abiogenesis. As far as 'look it up,' I have, many times. I was raised in a christian home, and have studied many various religious beliefs only to come to the same conclusion, it's all horseshit. You said we have free will, and how do you know that? Because a deity told you that you have to have free will? Again, that sort of doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. Seriously, if you are going to claim a deity that is omniscient and omnipotent, to then follow that by stating the same deity knowingly allows children to be raped but does nothing means said deity is just as guilty of the crime by not acting if he/she could to prevent it. But again, I know your religion better than you I'm sure....or your 'holy book' anyways. You mentioned being 'free to murder kids,' which is a humorous example considering the same deity you'd like to reference, according to your own 'holy book,' actually commanded his 'chosen people' to commit genocide, infanticide, rape, incest, etc. Wondering how you can still think you in any way shape or form hold a moral high ground by worshipping a deity who would command such atrocities. It's alright though, your own words show you don't understand the very basic principles of reason or logic. To say an atheist wouldn't want a deity to interject is to show you're completely ignorant of what it means to be skeptic. Atheist simply means belief that no deity/deities/supernatural mumbo jumo exists. To be skeptic is not to reject reality, but rather to require proof. So you go into your closet, you pray really hard, and if your deity exists he can give me a call on my cell phone, send me a text, send me an email, contact me via social media, write me a message in flaming letters on the wall of my bedroom, etc. It's really that easy to convince me that a particular deity exists. If he/she is all powerful, all knowing, and present everywhere at once, you would think it would be rather simple to not only locate me, but communicate to me exactly what proof is necessary to convince me. The problem with your fallacious free will argument is very simple in regards to this type of deity. If your deity actually loved human beings, wanted a personal relationship with human beings, and again, is all knowing/powerful/present.... It should be child's play to not only provide proof/evidence, but to convey that message clearly and without any of the message being lost/mistranslated/misinterpreted. Next to creating a universe, it should be a snap. So, I'll make sure my phone is on as it always is, and charged right up. You go ahead and do your fasting and praying as your religion tells you to, and if you actually think I have a soul and need some 'saving,' let your god/gods know I'm asking for a simple contact via the methods described above. While you do that, I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'll be enjoying all that life has to offer, sans bullshit thank you.

[@davidpersson250]

These 2 guys are great

[@seivaDsugnA]

The sculpture was a blessing of the makers of dairy products in general.

[@B2BCreditandCollection]

+Angus Davies blessed be the cheese makers

[@seivaDsugnA]

Michael Dennis ...of fish.

[@Nicklyft]

41:21 "Umm Maa----- *Creepy Ghost Noise*"... The look on Matts face is priceless after he hears it. Their phones are truly effed up.

[@Science_Always_Wins]

Wow the dream team.

[@EricH_1983]

Two legends on one show...

[@wolfyklassen]

---->(The Joke) (Your head)

[@Livuu.Emanuel]

Long hair and no hair

[@jasonnadal9721]

5:42 callers start

[@markwhittum1755]

Tom Waits, 'Chocolate Jesus'.

[@iamthebadwolf7296]

Mark Whittum communion would have been way less weird if we had chocolate instead of bread. Okay, maybe not less weird, but I wouldn't have focused on the weird so much since I would have had chocolate:-)

[@lucitti8065]

WOW the stop sign in jesus camp went over my head but that's amazing

[@LessaCaira]

Is it wrong that I think AronRa is freaking hot?

[@pdoylemi]

No, these are not reliable ways to prove things. They sometimes lead to truth, but they are not RELIABLE - that is the problem. The scientific method has mechanisms in place to prevent misinterpretation of data (experience) and to avoid drawing improper conclusions from experience or data. That is why science is reliable (mostly) and the others are not. They work often enough to advance, but they are not reliable which is why we have progressed so much more since adopting the scientific method.

[@pdoylemi]

Sorry, but you are assuming facts not in evidence as well as using a special pleading fallacy. The fact not in evidence is that the universe began to exist. We do not know that. At the big bang, a singularity (not nothing) expanded and changed form to be the universe we know. That is not creation. However, simply assuming that a "god" can violate the rules of causation that you cling to in order to support your belief, but matter/energy cannot is special pleading. You're just wrong, sorry.

[@pdoylemi]

The world might be improved if you were to get on, say, the Dan Ryan Expressway during Chicago rush hour, say a sincere prayer, let go of the wheel, and have the faith that Jesus will protect you as he would anyone with enough faith to do such a thing. Either you will have some serious evidence that your god is real, or your genes will be removed from the gene pool. Either way, it is a win for humanity.

[@pdoylemi]

You are correct about that (in my opinion). However, few theists will allow this because they have no evidence to support the assertions that they make about god. As a result, most of them try to turn the conversation to trying vainly to debunk science, thinking that that somehow proves their god. If you ever want to see a frustrated theist, refuse to take a position on evolution, the big bang, etc. - it leaves them nothing to attack and they suddenly must present their evidence.