Has Lopetegui got an impossible job at West Ham?

[@HammersChatForum]

Incredible how much was inaccurate during the opening statement. West Ham did the majority of our business before the window started. Saturday's team had 4 new signings not 7. It was not the worst defensive performance during the last five years. That was Arsenal 6-0 or Fulham 5-0 last season. There was a plea for Lopetegui to get time because he was a new manager and had new managers then a direct comparison was made to two other managers who are also new but don't seem to have struggled with new players or tactics.

[@ultra5057]

Well put Gonzo

[@Bithalrai]

Gonzo🎉😅

[@BCS09]

Gonzo with a banger as usual

[@DaveSeville-sf1ku]

I genuinely can't remember when West Ham got a win against Chelsea at the Bridge. I remember Allardyce in 2014 or something got a point and I think QPR beat them in January the year before but I can't remember the last time west ham won anything at the bridge. My earliest season I can remember is 05/06 season

[@stevenm4101]

We won 1-0 there under Pellegrini, when David Martin played in goal.

[@mojoleaker]

Feels weird looking at Jon without his glasses. 😂

[@VicWatson-o7w]

Why do you sometimes wear his glasses?

[@pstratos7]

Lopetegui lost to Chelsea and the entire English media turned on him 😂

[@Leonwhu73]

He has had a good 45 mins in the job. Been shite.

[@tonyfletcher7524]

He has been terrible all season not just against Chelsea but still very early

[@Ruscococo1]

He is a poor manager whose even more defencive than moyes. Said from the start it's terrible decision from west ham should have got potter

[@HappyRareGrooveMan]

5-1 he has to go..

[@MP-mn2tu]

He is average and doing badly. Bring back Moyes

[@mathewsherreard487]

This starts and ends at the feet of David Sullivan. Maybe you folks in the media can't say anything against ownership.??? It's understandable not to bite the hand that's feeding you. But while the club has an owner who CANNOT give up control to a director of football. Then nothing will change on and off the pitch. All the club has done is exchanged Moyes. For the Spanish Allardyce. All because the chairman has a good working relationship with said Manager agents. It's starts at the top. And the s**t trickles down.!

[@gwapachickph]

Excellent. Loved I t, especially being a Hammers fan for 60 years. Very entertaining.

[@andrew7780]

Was so happy to see the end of the moyes era but it was tarnished by the appointment of Lopetegui who i viewed as a David Moyes on steroids. I still believe we have made a big mistake hiring him but I really hope to be proved wrong and see him become a success.

[@jsbach6529]

"...no sane West Ham fan is calling for his head ..." In my experience Hammer fans seem very level-headed and realistic, and it does seem many have a very bad feeling this isn't a good fit, even if they don't expect a move till closer to the holidays.

[@mikelarkin6697]

People seem very quick to say this guy is an upgrade on David Moyes. But Moyes is the most successful West Ham manager since John Lyall in the 80s. Also, Moyes has a very long and successful career in the Premier League. Why is it people think he is so easy to improve upon? Everton have not had the sustained performance he achieved there despite spending huge sums, so maybe he is a better manager than a lot of people think.

[@rickysrighteyebrow8167]

No doubt Moyes was a solid manager. His pragmatic approach is tolerable when getting results but less so when you aren’t. Everybody wants to play the same kind of football these days which is ludicrous. Not every team is suited to build from the back but you see it everywhere now.

[@mikelarkin6697]

@@rickysrighteyebrow8167 everyone playing the same way makes it so boring.

[@rickysrighteyebrow8167]

@@mikelarkin6697 100 percent.

[@MP-mn2tu]

100% . people thinking West ham could play Man City style football are delusional

[@paunixon]

Disagree with John: continuity of manager is exactly what we got. JL is just a younger version of DM? Strikes me that the D of F didn't get the final say on the manager. There are rumours that he wanted Amorim, but Sullivan refused to have an inexperienced PL manager. Steidten is likely very aware that JL is very similar to DM, yet the players picked up are not JL/DM type players. I believe Sullivan may have stepped back from transfers, but still has the call when it comes to a manager. That is dysfunctional.

[@abiodunodeleye]

A guy who takes a job at a club while on managerial duty with his country at the WC! And Milan fans revolted when he was mentioned as a possible managerial appt. That to me was not a good signing to replace Moyes.

[@fahedal-ajmi4015]

He lefts wolves days before the start of the season.

[@abiodunodeleye]

@@fahedal-ajmi4015 Talking about Spain, Real Madrid, Lopetegui and Qatar WC!

[@audialiastt2601]

Benji, I disagree with your analysis of Bowen. He can not "play anywhere". 🙄🙄

[@audialiastt2601]

Sulivan is the continuing issue at this club. It will not change as long as he owns the club. The summer signings are mostly underwhelming. Why are some getting no playing time after millions have been spent on them.

[@carlcorver]

We have struggled in all our games so far and Lopetegui who is a experienced manager coach dosent seem to have a clue with tactics or players...im not impressed with the new players apart from Killman and think we are in for a long hard season

[@montanaprime]

Who is this Benji guy? Where is Roshane?

[@captainhowdy9845]

This what happens when you replace the Scottish David Moyes with the Spanish David Moyes.

[@captainhowdy9845]

On the plus side for West Ham, the Scottish David Moyes is available....

[@fredtraylen4311]

Least funny thing I have heard today 😊but with the poison dwarf in charge it's not impossible.​@@captainhowdy9845

[@Leonwhu73]

💯

[@Leonwhu73]

@@captainhowdy9845I would rather get relegated

[@English-folker]

​@captainhowdy9845 .. Yeah, cus nobody wants Moyes, that's why he's available and certainly not want at West Ham.

[@fredtraylen4311]

The mess moyes left the club in is a big ask of any coach to turn around in a few games but that said dont think Loppi is the man he was not the vision Tim Stieden wanted like most fans but sullivan couldn't help himself and used his agent ,,mates,, and let them mess up D.O.F for the cheapest option.

[@thisisnightshop2037]

Moyes was the best

[@PlayerAyte]

As someone who watches a lot of the Brasileirao, Luis Guilherme for that was a complete fleece. In a league where youngsters habitually announce themselves (Endrick, Gustavo Gomes, Estevao, Wesley), he figuratively never said a word.

[@fredtraylen4311]

@@PlayerAyte time will tell Chelsea let Declan Rice go and then he became our captain and put 105 million in the bank for West Ham ,now at Arsenal so time will tell

[@PlayerAyte]

@@fredtraylen4311 that's totally different because Declan Rice was still regarded as a very promising English talent from an English academy, and went to an English team as an academy player. He was totally free. Guilherme is one of the biggest risks I've ever seen in the PL. 30m for a South American talent that couldn't even crack a first team that has a longstanding history of kids breaking through is pretty mind-boggling.

[@MakeWestHamGreatAgain]

If we waited and he turned out to be a gem he wouldn't have signed for us. Bigger European clubs would have come in and we would have had no chance. Yes he has played very little first team football but this is where we have to rely on Tim Steiten and hope is right in his pick.

[@PlayerAyte]

@@MakeWestHamGreatAgain give yourself more credit. You've beaten out the big boys to sign better players than him.

[@Adam-l2g]

I think it was a mistake to fire Moyes. Although he did not play the best football, he delivered results. Besides, who would have expected that a team like West Ham should play nice football, no offense. This is also a style of play, and everyone can play according to their own style. And even West Ham is not a big club, where it should be a particular obstacle

[@kevinlemon6537]

Lopitegue doesn't have an impossible job .. he just needs to wake up to the Fans , West Ham & the Premiership . Showing no heart or love .😊

[@Sp1NNN023]

Jon : ' The game against Chelsea was one the worst defensively in last 5 years' Mate we literally lost last season 5-0 to Chelsea, 6-0 to Arsenal, 5-2 to Palace, 5-0 FUlham, 4-1 Aston Villa, 3 - 0 Manchester United with Moyes low block in charge. Agenda clearly being pushed on Lopetegui since he came in. Moyes left the squad with terrible low morale. We just continued the form we had been left with in. But its fine its only 5 games, Lopetegui will turn this around easily.

[@Labtiger69]

Yep it’s Moyes fault you lot piled on him as soon as he WON you a European trophy. Mad innit all that outside noise definitely had NO effect all on Moyes. It’s really special how poorly you treat him. Enjoy lopetegui ball 😂

[@Herpy88]

​@Labtiger69 you're actually deluded it's mental

[@joerogan4824]

@@Labtiger69if he’s so good why hasn’t he had a single managerial offer?

[@samarthdev4470]

Still disillusioned west fans. 😂

[@samarthdev4470]

@@joerogan4824lol even klopp doesn’t have any club atm are you going to say the same 😂

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

These lot dont have a clue. It was sullivan who wanted JLop

[@audialiastt2601]

I disagree Lopetegui has "an impossible job"! A manager should not be "EXPERIMENTING" on such a rash level when points are involved ESPECIALLY imo, if he knows NOT his squads strengths & weaknesses. He seem not understand football at a basic level based on how he wants to set up.

[@johnlooby2280]

Won the Europa with Saville, my grandma could do that with Saville ! A spoofer

[@johnlooby2280]

Apologies, Sevilla FC , shabby spelling 😢

[@ultra5057]

Saville's favourite team was Young Boys.

[@saltmerchant749]

Atheletic spend the entire summer ignoring West Ham and now stand around pointing and laughing offering only surface level takes and mockery. With only lip service of research paid to clubs and analysis of the strength of feeling of the fanbases of those clubs that gives undue deference to the opinions of the twitter mob, compared to the greater depth they go into on the big six fanbases and the editorial staff's near total Man United fixation, after all of the initial promise shown by The Athletic, it is creeping towards the level of the journalistic dregs of The Sun. If the Atheletic lost Matt Slater, it would have nothing of value to offer.

[@mTLpHfumfaomd]

Its hillarious fans wanted an attacking style but Lopetegui is just another european upgrade version of Moyes

[@ToxicMuscularity.]

Basically the same conversation about iriola at Bournemouth last season, it took him 9 games, but look at them now. The same applies here, lopetegi is a quality manager and will get it right, don't worry about that.

[@Selena-ff5er]

Lopetegui was definitely the wrong choice from day one just the cheapest and will just keep going from bad to worse.

[@happyhammerette9083]

Sulli special 😑

[@montanaprime]

The job, is not difficult at all, the problem is that he wants to shoe horn players in positions they don’t fit in.

[@jamesdunne5638]

We repeatedly buy in decent strikers who work off of service and try to turn them into Antonio! Fullkrug stated from the outset that he won't make those long runs and score. That's NOT his game! Why buy him if you don't intend to play to his strengths? The stupidity is astounding!

[@waynewayne2472]

What's happening with divin mubama?

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

We wanted moyes gone because of his stubborness to progress, squandering money, transfer decisions, failing to give youth players a chance, leaving our squad thin on numbers

[@dannysmith2040]

The problem is Moyes left us with an aging squad that needed sorting in a lot positions because he didn’t like signing players unless they were heavily experienced in the prem. that problem with all the money spent hasn’t been addressed, we went and got a 31yo striker who is still our youngest! Our midfield need a pacey strong box to box player, souchek is crap and slow. We got two top draw cb s but they are constantly running backwards because we have no legs in midfield! The team still needs a lot of work in the transfer market but sully needs to stay out of it ! And loppy needs to give them full games to settle

[@mikelarkin6697]

Yeah, guys like Bowen, Soucek, Coufal, Paqueta and Kudus all had extensive Premier League careers when he signed them.

[@MP-mn2tu]

Give examples? And is it Moyes controlling the money for signing players?

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

Dean Ashton wasnt bought under the sullivan era😂😂😂

[@albertbrammer9263]

Seems the players who have "worked" have previous Premier League experience.

[@MrGts92]

Anyone with intelligence said this last year when Moyes was announced to leave. Fans just wanted some new and shiny, which is fine. But regardless of whether West Ham parks the bus, or tries a bit of tippy-tappy. They always be a club that'll fight for Europe and then drop to fight relegation in cycles. Because they're fundamentally not super rich, nor the most attractive club in London. It's easy to go "careful what you wish for" etc etc. but a drop would've eventually happened under Moyes or any other manager. All that differs is the criticism.

[@MakeWestHamGreatAgain]

Fullkrug is Antonio like? What

[@audialiastt2601]

Fullkrug is already a flop imo. He depends far to much on service and as so many WH perchases, can't run.

[@Sp1NNN023]

I swear Benji is just David Ornstein being bald.

[@koleksonpaite2186]

I am definitely is not a West ham fan but I know they will be back. Lopetegui and the players are not to be blame. Individually they played well.This things happens and they will be back.

[@harry2bells]

He looks clueless. Doesn't know his best side. He doesn't know his best formation. Doesn't get anything out of established stars or new signings. Cant score from open play and have very few chances. Leaks goals from a so called better defense. Bought another old striker and not Toney or Duran. Apart from that its great. Oh add the fact that we are SO SLOW no legs no heads. Bowen only seems to only look good counter attacking and is not a captain not a player to motivate those around him of take a game by the scruff. Alvarez all day long a man who threatened to kill a Chelsea player in the car park!!!

[@RahulTV06]

We need a look into Steve Madley's description of what happened at the Manchester City vs Arsenal game. You have lost a fan if you have got people like him working in your organization.

[@williammarchant3962]

Should go back to old podcast

[@OwenSindler]

What was that? I'm a new guy?

[@chrissyjames7711]

WE are to slow a cross the grass.

[@robertbslee4209]

Lopetegui out NOW!!!!!!

[@samarthdev4470]

I can only laugh at west ham owners and fans. You guys bought the most over rated managers in the history l, even more than lampard lol 😂

[@OserojiemenKing]

No, he's just not a very modern (or good) coach anymore.

[@SleekMack]

I would play Wan Bissaka at centre back... Wish United could have done that but this Pep Guardiola style of football is killing the game... Every manager is forced to play his way or they will be accused of being old fashioned 🥱🙄

[@dominicsouthan4492]

Hes positioning is crap so no u can't play him at cb lol

[@pstratos7]

@@SleekMack pep is killing the game, only Sleek Mack can save football now by putting Wan Bissaka at CB

[@Jack-ni4ft]

What is the "West Ham way"? No one seems to know!

[@thisisnightshop2037]

They will figure it out in the championship

[@mikelarkin6697]

Cresswell isn’t known for being a productive fullback?! Do these guys know what they are talking about? He absolutely wracked up assists in years gone by due to his final ball.

[@PaulHattle]

Hooking someone in the first half is not a good look.

[@happyhammerette9083]

What does that do for confidence 🤔 Remember when Moisty Moyes subbed on a youngester and then hooked him off 10 mins later against the Mancs? I don't think we saw him again

[@shipit9937]

Jon looks less like a pdf file without his glasses on

[@jeffslater528]

hammers short of pace...

[@glennedmonston4072]

Hey, hasn't had time now. That's a b******* West ham. At this problem for years do one manager is outless in like our david Sullivan it's because he makes it to lighty's taller as awesome

[@MP-mn2tu]

Bring back Moyes!! Shouls have never left !

[@nathanwalker8861]

like it or not Moyes did a good job with west ham and if he had been given mctominay and Maguire like he asked he would have no doubt done even better. Their transfer business has been massively overrated and this "sporting director" of theirs seems to think hes the main character. Yes Lopetegui worked at a lot of clubs but won very little. Letting JWP a fantastic dead ball specialist go on loan to another premier league club is beyond stupid. No doubt he deserves time but he wont push them to another level no matter the time he gets and none of the new players will move the needle enough to be noticeable. Final point Füllkrug a 30 year old on a 4 year deal is abysmal business.

[@MAAFB]

Mediocre mid table team is in… mid table mediocrity 😱😱😱

[@fredtraylen4311]

Mediocre comment from a. Mediocre tobias😂

[@KHID-JR]

OK.👍.

[@adlad3199]

Absolutely incredible to me how Graham Potter wasn't hired immediately as soon as Moyes announced he was leaving. He's a top class manager who's waiting for the right project. West Ham should build their club around him.

[@MakeWestHamGreatAgain]

And yet no one else has taken him. They all can't be wrong in not appointing him. Potter benefited from the structure at Brighton

[@adlad3199]

@@MakeWestHamGreatAgain He benefited from the structure at Brighton ofcourse but his work at Swansea, his work at Oestersunds, everywhere he's gone bar chelsea he's done unbelievably well.

[@Chdk24]

To the guy who “corrected” himself to say “or she” when talking about managers being brought in, get a grip.

[@MinisterManDan]

Everyone always thinks they can do better than David Moyes, and then they find out the truth

[@Herpy88]

They find out sullivans in charge and replaces rubbish with more rubbish

[@happyhammerette9083]

🤦🏻‍♀️😂😂 Can't see anyone of the 1000's of fans, bar a couple that actually want Moisty Moyes back 😒

[@joggle0]

Boycott The Athletic. Disgusting journalism, lying about events in a game of football. BOYCOTT THE ATHLETIC

[@SteveN-xd6rk]

You chased David Moyes away who did so so well, you deserve this

[@mzSmith]

Flappy flapping at this stage of the season? Modern football is shit. Only KZbin channels are worse. Where's the Carabaou fixed draw outrage? Loads of new players to adjust. Wrong choice of captain. Loppys level of English is appalling and he spouts inarticulate cliches. But id give him a bit more time before soiling my bloomers. And at least we have white socks again. Irons.

[@danielberry4765]

Lopetegui isn’t a good manager, not better than Moyes. West Ham downgraded their manager but they’ll be playing “the West Ham way” in the bottom half.

[@fredtraylen4311]

@@danielberry4765 whoever took over from moyes is going to need a miracle the state he left the club in oldest slowest squad in prem that were not relegated that's fact stats most goals conceded apart from teams that went down man management a joke threw his toys out of the pram cos he wanted full control of transfers and everything . Then in winter window when still in with a chance of Europe and winning Europa League knocks back every single player except city reject ,,he is all I need ,, 😂🤣🤣 he said .

[@danielberry4765]

@@fredtraylen4311 Total nonsense. European football in multiple seasons. Winning their first trophy. Nonnnnnsense.

[@fredtraylen4311]

@@danielberry4765 yes and fair play but as soon as Irvine left he had no clue it was so obvious the season we won in Prague until the players got together without moyes and decided to play their way we were heading 👇 down and the con cup European teams were not used to our style . That should of moyes cue to leave on a high. Just look at our performances after Irvine left . Moyes was sussed as prem manager stale ,no bottle all the other reasons I have given above . Thanks Dave but even the board knew he was shot to pieces.

[@beatonthedonis]

Moyes is in the top three West Ham managers of all time.

[@fredtraylen4311]

@@danielberry4765 just realized you don't even support West Ham but you think you know more about us . Bet you don't even know who irvine is don't run to Google now . Everyone wants to pop off ⚒️ should worry about your own clubs

[@olaoyeisikalu2686]

I'm not a West Ham fan but I curiously watched their games because of this new coach to see what he's bringing and so far i haven't seen anything. Dare I say Moyes should have been kept

[@Herpy88]

would you take moyes at your club

[@olaoyeisikalu2686]

@@Herpy88 We already had him I'm a United fan but really have you seen any difference at West Ham?

[@Herpy88]

@@olaoyeisikalu2686 I've seen him make earlier subs but other than that I haven't seen much difference between loppy and moyes but we should not have kept moyes we should've gone for amorim or slot of something like that. Lopetegui was never my option or most fans option. lopetegui failing doesn't mean we should have kept moyes

[@danielwebb8402]

Remember Charlton fans moaning Curbishley did boring football? Stoke fans that were not moving forward under Pulis? West ham fans don't remember that clearly. Were grotesquely ungrateful the past 3 years.

[@freakydeaky1435]

tell me you don't know anything about west ham, without telling me you don't know anything about west ham. We didn't force Moyes out because of the "boring football" that was a narrative entirely invented by his friends in the media. We wanted Moyes gone because: 1) he didn't play any of the talented youngsters we had at the club, we came top of the u21s, with one of the best youth teams in the country/world, yet they never recieved minutes and weren't given suitable loans. There were times when he brazenly threw cup games, eg away at Liverpool in the Caraboa cup, yet even then he would field aged squad players rather than the youngsters that needed minutes. This resulted in them leaving to rivals (e.g sonny perkins to leeds, Ashby to newcastle, Mubama to City, Johnson wherever he went). 2) He repeatedly ignored the sports science, particularly when it came to the use of substitutions, we conceded a disproportionately high number of goals in the last 15 minutes, an obvious explanation of which is that we gave substitutes some of the least minutes in the league, in spite of competing in Europe. Relatedly: 3)He repeatedly alluded to wanting a small squad, even though there was money there to spend he reportedly vetoed nearly all the players that our director of football attempted to sign, whilst simultaneously allowing players to leave, that's how we ended up with only 14 first team players left by the time we finally saw the back of him. 4)His man management was so poor, and the degree of favouritism so strong that there were rumours of players asking him how they could get in the team and him giving them 0 encouragement with a closed door policy. Even when players were having bad games, we would never, ever give the squad players a chance. Many of these players, eg: Haller, Hernandez, Flynn Downes.. etc have subsequently gone on to do well when they left. 5) the results in the league in the last 2 seasons were dreadful.. we came 14th in the season before last and last year there really was no improvement, we just got lucky in a few games, we conceded our worst ever number of premier league goals (over like 27 seasons we've been in the prem and INCLUDING the two times we were relegated). Looking at the expected points table we finished 14/15th (i forget which). Letting Moyes go was a totally obvious decision, he was AWFUL.

[@MakeWestHamGreatAgain]

Comparing west ham to Charlton and stoke 🤣what would you have us do? Give Moyes a contract for life?

[@Labtiger69]

Exactly what West Ham fans deserve after the way they treated Moyes. Maybe there is some crazy issue with Todibo, but this was pretty clearly the BEST signing of the entire window for them and he hasn’t been given a single game. Mavropanos is only staring on a relegation candidate, which is how Ham look now. Fulkrug was also a WOEFUL signing.

[@IggyGoesPop666]

Loppy needs a bit of time as the club has replaced over half of its team but one thing is for sure and that is that his team WILL NOT concede over 70 goals this season unlike the last bloke .... "I win ... that's what I do" 😳 .... "Be careful what you wish for" 🥱... "but ... but ... but he won you your first cup in 250 years" 🤡