How NOT To Treat a Fanbase

[@thebattlebee]

What do you folks think?

[@Lautaro.Garavaglia]

im actually really curious what could stop you from typing a few words in twitter and just telling that you are progressing or not like just once every few months im not asking daily, not any details or anything even related to silksong just to say hi to the community that supports you

[@davidbrown542]

The Hollow Knight fanbase has been and will continue to be some of the most lovely and creative people I have ever met. It is hard, to and extent of intentionality, to disappoint a fanbase this much. I am deeply upset.

[@logixindie]

I think they are allergic to communication.

[@aetriandimitri190]

@@Lautaro.Garavaglia literally all we've needed this entire time was "we don't expect to release the game for at least 3 years" and update whenever there's a delay. Imagine how much pain would've been alleviated if they just said from the start it wasn't releasing any time soon

[@arjunbaweja7755]

I think that we should wait till April 2nd before we say anything. If it is revealed or something is actually legit showed, then I think it's okay :). Though, more communication is nice

[@Bottle_Goat]

My excitement for the game died a while ago, so this news doesn't really affect me, but when they do drop silksong, all the hype is definitely gonna come back to us

[@Samethereaswell]

I agree

[@LongNguyen-xt1hx]

When silksong do come out I'd be like a kid under a christmas tree again

[@ToppSpeed88]

Yeah, that's how I feel. I don't care right now, but whenever they announce a release I'll start losing it

[@Hatdudz]

I would have screamed: “YES!”

[@xXGen3sisXx]

I'm gonna pirate the shit out of the game and distribute it to people

[@Skivv5]

So, everyone keeps saying that Skong is going to have to be INSANELY good to live up to the hype. You know what would have made this a near non-issue? team cherry breaking the fundamental laws of the universe and c o m m u n i c a t i n g with their f a n s

[@EpidermeTostoes]

even tho its a slightly different case the hypixel studious: hit us with a "it's coming when it's ready" after the trailer they gave us like 2 development updates per year then riot games joined in they gave us like 2 development updates per year then they had to rewrite the engine or wharever which took a whole lot more years than the annoucement release date they gave us like 2 development updates per year, and are still doing so despite we still not knowing much about anything else than most core game mechanics and the gamemodes (if im not mistaken) (this is how i remember it btw, not 100% sure) yes, despite having got a lot of attention that soon vanished after the trailer and not having a proper "fanbase" they aren't getting a million speculation posts and videos on the state of the development of their game or even if it's gonna be release at all, why? because they gave us like 2 development updates per year, quite an incomprehensible concept, i know

[@swinzy0]

@@EpidermeTostoes thats pretty good tbh

[@Pumpkinking3119]

2021 denial: I believed that it was going to be released. 2022 anger: I was angry that it didn't release. 2023 bargaining: I was begging for it to release. 2024 depression: I felt despair that it wasn't going to release. 2025 acceptance: I have accepted that silksong will never release.

[@ARTMSTER37]

Brother, could not have possibly said it better myself.

[@not_umbre]

2021 denial: I believed that it was going to be released 2022 denial: I believed that it was going to be released 2023 denial: I believed that it was going to be released 2024 denial: I believed that it was going to be released 2025 denial: I believed that it was going to be released

[@LienzodeLórien]

​@@not_umbre That that's TRUE

[@TheZote-k9e]

Don't give up! 🙏😭

[@TheZote-k9e]

​@@not_umbreThere you go!

[@pillager2327]

"They dont owe the fans anything". True, but if you want someone to like you, you have to be nice to them. Nobody is required to be nice, but it sure does help a lot.

[@LazerDisk]

They have acknowledged that Silksong is supposed to be the replacement to the character DLC Kickstarter goal since hollow knight backers get Silksong free, so they actually do owe their backers something.

[@ericschuster2680]

How to waste all the goodwill you got from your fanbase

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Not sure I'd say they wasted their goodwill. That'd only be the case if the next game is terrible. It's not like we AREN'T going to still buy it.

[@personexisting123]

They still have game development goodwill, as they’ve yet to prove that they aren’t great game developers. It’s just their PR goodwill that’s in shambles.

[@Hirungolwe]

statements like this point out how beyond idiotic this 'fan' base is. when other games lose their fans' goodwill, it's because the developers scammed or harassed their fans, or the developers themselves are being worked to death by executives meanwhile with team cherry, they literally did nothing but work on their game instead of wasting time pandering to babies and this is seen as evil awful behavior by some 'fans' LOL ig that's what happens when your fan base consists of needy manchildren

[@ZamWeazle]

​@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworthTheir new game? That being Fearless Fox? I don't know why they bothered Registering that game. By the time that game comes out. Most of us will be dead and gone and team cherry will just be a robotics company. Pointless!

[@crippo429]

I personally think team cherry only messed up by revealing it too soon. I think it would be better to have a trailer when the game was closer to lauch, like a year at most. Then it would just feel like a very nice surprise.

[@ringo_the_octopus8273]

The fact that they did announce it then, and even had a very polished demo shows that the game was ready to be released soon, but something has happened to cause this massive delay. Whatever happened, they owe us an update of some kind at the very least.

[@SoulHydron]

@@ringo_the_octopus8273 They might've just kept adding content, they kind of did the same with the first game

[@el_lea]

​@@ringo_the_octopus8273 They're probably adding a lot of extra content, I'm not a game developer but I made some games and now I'm thinking of making one a little bit larger, and when you have simple idea, adding more to it is... Like impossible not to do, In Hollow Knight they added 4 DLC's and they still said the game wasn't really complete, and for Silksong on the first devlogs they said that they had a LOT more added of what the "polished" demo had, it's a bad habit that every developer might had at least once, but I can't blame them for more than not saying anything to their fanbase :/

[@mintw4241]

@@ringo_the_octopus8273it’s been clear they definitely didn’t have a ready to release game in 2019 since the XBOX trailer, but yeah dropping a gameplay trailer/demo that early in game dev is WILD

[@justinian1226]

If they wouldn't have revealed it when they did, people would've been asking where's the Hornet DLC. Admit it, it's a lose-lose-lose scenario. You don't reveal the new game early enough in development, people will ask where's the new DLC. You reveal it early but try to keep them in the dark as much as possible so they go in blind when playing the game, they'll ask "BuT wHeRE aRe ThE cOnFiRmAtIoNs ThAt ThE gAmE sTiLl ExIsTs?????" You reveal it early and give constant updates about what you've been working on, and the magic of uncertainty slowly fades away, which is exactly what the devs are fighting to preserve. There is no winning for TC.

[@WyvrnOnYT]

More indie studios should strive to be like Re-logic and Concerned Ape

[@Flavio-bn7ne]

Toby Fox as well

[@autismandgaming4532]

Summitsphere as well

[@looniemoonie5955]

"They don't owe you anything" is argument I hear all the time... Nah, you don't treat your community, your fans like this. Team Cherry may be wonderful people (I am not questioning it) but they are TERRIBLE at marketing. Their success and earnings are depend on their customers. Who's drawing fanart? Who's hyping up every small gaming event? I won't be too surprised if sales will be lower than expected or they get flooded with negative reviews. It's been YEARS since they said anything and almost 5 since Team Cherry themselves spoke to the fans (last blogpost was in 2019, their Twitter only retweets figures once a year, and William... well it's just wordsalad). If anything, they owe us an apology. And a great game.

[@Seven-8]

They actually owe playable hornet to the backers lmao. They announced silksong back in 2019 because they were unable to add hornet to the game and didn't want to leave the backers angry which wasn't a really good idea

[@theheroict]

They don't OWE you any news or anything but it is REALLY bad practice to do this. People aren't entitled to any news but they are entitled to opinions about the devs, which increasingly decreases with a lack of communication.

[@bendrowned8506]

@@theheroictlike the person above you said, some people backed it. they do deserve to have some knowledge of what they paid for

[@No-RE-q1w]

@@theheroict They don't owe HK fans anything but that doesn't mean I have to like their approach to community management, and I can definitely criticize them for that.

[@theheroict]

@ Deserve, yes. Required... no. Again, TC is being really bad about this but like, if they wanted to announce the game and say nothing else until it's released they can do that. The only issue is if it never comes out.

[@Alexander-gv1fp]

You know what the most terrifying part of this story could be? Silksong it's gonna be good for sure, but what if after all this wait with no news it turns out to be... just that? Like, what if the game turns out to be JUST good or worse... JUST decent? Like a good sequel but nothing too special and unique compared to it's prequel? That'll make the game very much a disappointment considering how much it took for it to be made, since a lot of people that still wait without saying anything bad about the lack of communication still hold onto the idea of "the more time we wait the better the game is gonna be", but what if it's not? As i said the worst is not the idea of the game being bad, cuz it surely will NOT be bad, it's gonna be GOOD, but i really hope that it won't be JUST GOOD, you know? Still, i want to hold hope for April 2'nd, but if nothing comes of it... guys, let's just look for some other games to play for real, going all this way to wait for a game it's not healthy.

[@Feelyne]

I get what you mean and I am pretty sure that a lot of people will be disappointed when its not going to be even better than hollow knight :/

[@carlschrappen9712]

The point where more development time necessarily means a better game has long past, and the wait is rapidly approaching the point where taking even longer suggests that something is terminally wrong with the game's development. If the end of 2025 passes and there is still no release date, I will have lost any faith in Silksong being good.

[@Feelyne]

@ i‘m pretty sure its in development hell right now

[@Solargress]

Silksong will NOT just be “good.” Its highly unlikely Team Cherry could fuck up something like Silksong, seeing as its already shown to be more complex and ambitious than Hk. Hollow Knight is fairly rushed, Silksong is much more complex and detailed.

[@LarusoHK]

@@Feelyne why do you think that?

[@aetriandimitri190]

I'm starting work with game development and know alot of people in game development, and while yes game development takes a while, it doesnt take THIS LONG after a trailer with gameplay was released while saying "soon" unless there was serious issues behind the scenes. And normally thats fine... if its fking communicated instead of radio silence for years. If a lead died, if files got deleted, if the direction got changed, whatever happened that caused the game to be pushed back so far, IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED Silksong has already surpassed hollow knights entire development cycle, and the development for silksong shouldve been quicker due to them already having the artstyle, world, lore, etc to build off of instead of figuring things out for the first few years before gameplay was even close to being an option to be shown, so having it take all that time after already having a gameplay reveal is ridiculous

[@CoqueiroLendario]

Not only gameplay reveal, but a somewhat public demo too, so the engine is there, the art is there, the dream team is still together and kicking, so the biggest question that remains is... what is holding them back?

[@aetriandimitri190]

@CoqueiroLendario yeah so it clearly wasn't an animation disguised as gameplay like some games have had to false advertise, it was actually semi built. By the time you are far enough along to have art and enemies of multiple areas and likely all the associated lore planned out, you should be at maximum 3 years from release unless there is a reason for a big delay

[@CoqueiroLendario]

@@aetriandimitri190 Yeah in gamedev words we say that this was a "vertical slice", a small section of the game with basically everything done, but the rest of the game still has to be built

[@Gavblox]

same thing as geometry dash 2.2 its not that the game is not being worked on its to much scope stuff keeps gettign added to it

[@not_umbre]

Team cherry doesn't stop working until they either run out of money or ideas. They have infinite funds and Ari Gibson, so we're never getting silksong

[@bilalt1363]

I don't really understand why some people in the comments are labeling this community as toxic and impatient in regards to silksong. While yes I do agree that some people here may need to get into other games and not devote their entire life to hollow knight, people like myself have done so however. In anticipation for silksong I have distracted myself with other games like ultrakill, pizza tower, and terraria, yet even so these same repeated events of false leads and absolutely no news whatsoever is just getting tiring. Team cherry does not necessarily have an obligation to post updates yet they should expect unrest if they decided to reveal silksong as an official game and barely say anything about it for around half a decade.

[@PersonOfEarth117]

Because a lot of the community IS toxic, they overanalyze anything TC says or does, and then get mad when that leads to nothing, like with this recent situation. TC communication sucks but that doesn’t make it right for people to be so entitled.

[@theheroict]

Because there have been death threats in the community and threats to pirate the game instead of playing it solely for this reason. Being upset is fine, doing THAT is toxic. The community IS very toxic and it's kind of dumb to pretend its not.

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

​@PersonOfEarth117 now to be honest, they are right, the cake tweet was definitely nodding to April 2nd. Anyone thinking otherwise is willingly blind. I think it was just excitement for the Nintendo Direct tho, not related to Silksong.

[@Welle-xw6kp]

The hollow knight generation does not know patience elder scrolls 6 has been In development for 7 years 14 if you count the fact Skyrim released in 2011 Lost soul aside has been in development for over 10 years And kingdom hearts 3 wait was 16 years And you think this is long

[@taistelusammakko5088]

​@@Welle-xw6kpit is long, comparisons are useless. Just because something has been taking longer doesnt make team cherry saints. They are neglecting their fanbase, the same as bethesda

[@Pokehead_DL]

If it doesn’t come out at the direct I won’t be surprised. If team cherry still doesn’t say anything I won’t be surprised If KZbinrs keep putting videos on silksong I won’t be surprised If accounts troll us I won’t be surprised If people keep crapping on sad fans I won’t be surprised If the game doesn’t come out at all I won’t be surprised 2025 marked my second year waiting for this game and I know I’m early. I’m not mad. Just disappointed.

[@shadedway5277]

I've been waiting 4 years, I'd love to see the game come out, kills me that it hasn't. But you have to admit that seeing peoples' reactions to how long it's taking is fascinating, yeah? I feel like a fire ant watching from a rock as I watch someone step on my anthill, and my brethren begin to angrily pour out like water. (Before I go back to playing Rain World as a fire ant, of course.)

[@el_lea]

​@@shadedway5277 I'm kind of in the same situation, I played HK in 2024 but I knew about it since 2018 and I knew about Silksong since it's trailer and been waiting since, I know it's going to be a good game but I'm not desperate for it as a lot of people are, and I understand that this game changed the life of a lot of people and a sequel is like a miracle, but I can't help on that to say that the only real fault from Team Cherry is not talking to their fanbase as how a developer team should do :(

[@big_dick_energy]

I've waiting for this for 5 years. I have finished high school. Moved to a new city. Started college. Got a job. Left that job. Started a new job. Almost finish college and this shit has still not come out

[@francescogirotti8124]

I fully understand why this happened, it's probably because they kept thinking that they were so close to releasing the game that a trailer would have been useless (since they kept moving the release date forward and forward). Unfortunately they completely destroyed anticipation with this one, but they probably learnt on how to handle this better for future projects

[@__piter]

If it doesn't realese before October or smth that will just be sad

[@thebattlebee]

From what leth was going on it felt like they had nothing planned yet.

[@__piter]

😔

[@stuffstuff3455]

I wouldn't mind that if Team Cherry broke their radio silence.

[@matheuscabral9618]

If it does not release by February 2026 I'll honestly give up

[@tim0735]

It's fine to take 5+ years to make a sequel for such a great game. The problem comes when a dev team that was once outspoken and open about their development goes silent. After this long with no real update on the game the expectations when the game is released are going to be astronomical. At this point they might feel like they have to make the perfect game and it's a cycle of perfection because they have stayed quiet so long.

[@maikatase]

Yep, I get how maybe they want to keep things secret for lore reasons, not to spoil too much. But this is not the way to go about it. Doing some development blogs, keeping players updated, it'd be wonderful. I think devs drastically underestimate how understanding (and even potentially interested!!) players are of indie devs work (this doesn't really work with AAA devs where giant corporations are involved lol). It's kinda like "how the sausage is made", but an enthusiastic home chef doing it and not some PR grunt doing a factory tour showing them churning them out. Even if these updates weren't too frequent, like a quarterly or annual update, it could do absolute wonders for the morale of fans waiting patiently, they could try to show their dev work without showing specific game assets and whatnot. What they've done here is just a terrible example of how you should interact with your fans. And this cake thing really shows how they're just completely oblivious to all of this.

[@Leonardo2-h3g]

My breaking point was the ARG situation. I'm still hoping for the game, i will buy and play it, will probably enjoy it and honestly will probably be a masterpiece. However, at least to me, i'm not concerned with news anymore. Sure, it is bumming not to get any news and i completely agree that TC SHOULD communicate more with us (you can see how well this works out like for example with Toby Fox and Deltarune, he updates the fans constantly without spoiling nothing and without people feeling unsatisfied with the news), but my problem isn't with the radio silence itself anymore, it's with TC. Let's break down all things that went wrong with the ARG situation and let me explain why this was my breaking point and why TC has lost my faith in THEM, specifically. 1: Even tho it was not his intention, William created completely understandable expectations from the fandom. For the first time in a LONG time, i TRULY believed we were getting something, ANYTHING substancial. 2: After his tweet exploded (IGN covered, for gods sake), he did not deleted right away and did not clarify things, which i think he should have done (and i think his tweet is still up), i can't even come up with a good reason why he didn't deleted. It does not matter his account is mainly for "shitpost", the fans did not get themselves into any conspiracy by themselves, they didn't created those expectations outta nothing. Even if the account is made primarily for jokes, you being a DEV of a well known dev team with a greatly anticipated game, you DO NOT say things like "something big is coming" and stuff like that, even as a joke, you simply DON'T, because it's obvious what would happen. The fans are in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM at fault for creating those expectations. 3: And to top it all off, they not only let people speculate for nothing for an entire DAY, but they clarified things not themselves, but through a third-party, a content creator from the community. Let that sink in, a person that is in no way involved with the development team was the one to clarify everything on behalf of the creators of the game. I'm sorry, but i simply CAN'T see this as nothing as a slap in the face on the community. It was completely disrespectful imo. It does not matter that Leth later talked to us, why he didn't do that earlier? Like i said before, i can't even come up with a reason why they decided to ask Fire to do that for them. This situation was worse than radio silence to me. I rather be on the "nothing ever happens" train forever than be excited for something that doesn't even exist. Even if it was not their intention, they created expectations, whether they like it or not. They not only didn't tried to clarify things right away, but when they did, it was through the most embarassing way possible. I don't know about other people but this situation left me thinkin that they're completely clueless on how talk to us, and that is exactly why i lost my faith on them.

[@a_dumbuser]

This community has a "toxic positivity" mindset that many HK KZbinrs pedal honestly. I hate how that any light criticisms with TC is meet with hostility of "oh you're just impatient! Let them take their time! :]]]". Passive aggressive comments like that at best. I obviously get it but GEEZ. TC LITERALLY MADE A BLOG DEDICATED FOR UPDATES BUT LITERALLY LEFT IT BLANK. They have HK KZbinrs tweet out their updates instead of the devs themselves on their account or YT page. I think Hollow Knight fans ARE ALLOWED TO FEEL BITTER. I hate it....

[@Rosamunde.Rasmussen]

Yes!! & they keep moving the goal post, whenever the situation becomes worse!

[@flakeyflakes]

If we don’t get Silksong news by mid 2025 I think we’re just all gonna lose hope

[@alvaroagenjocabrera5612]

I agree with you

[@EtronX348]

The thing that feels like a chest is the fact that no matter how much disappointment i feel, I'll still buy the game

[@josiahafful4195]

People have to remember there's 3 PEOPLE working on a game that's going to be bigger than hollow Knight

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

Nobody is upset about the game taking this long, though. People are upset about TC literally not communicating with us AT ALL.

[@aaronmartens2903]

The fact that Silksong fans keep holding their breath whenever a game expo arrives is not really directly Team Cherry's fault but they should communicate better. Even saying "Nothing is coming this year" would at least let the fans move on. Just that failure alone is enough to condemn Team Cherry. Note that if they lie and a release trailer does appear then fans would be ecstatic. That update a few days ago where one of the Devs changed their profile prompting fans to speculate incorrectly was also pretty fucking weird. Also Team Cherry doesn't have to be a three man dev team. There are good Metroidvanias on the horizon; i hope they can build upon the shoulders of and outclass Hollow Knight.

[@mintw4241]

Even just being clearer about HOW done they are would have cleared things up tremendously - the last time we got communication from TC (in May 2023) they made it sound like the game was almost done and just needed polishing, leaving everyone in a perpetual state of “the game could come out *any moment*”.

[@jimmyjab8744]

Haven't really thought bout it until now from you mentioning it that it is odd and a bit concerning how long it's taking to release given how polished and good the gameplay shown so long ago was. I do wonder if there's any chance it's been delayed specifically for the switch 2. I'd like to hope that if that was the case they wouldn't delay it by anymore than a year for a reason like that. More frequent updates just to let us know how it's going and maybe even why it's going so slow, is all I really want or wanted.

[@theoutergod8666]

That's it though. It only looked polished. All we've seen were two trailers and a short demo. While I am not a dev, I know few devs and I talk about this stuff with them and know that it is easy to just share the bits you feel confident with. Demo is nothing complex, and trailers are just very, very short clips. It can be misleading to the true status of gameplay.

[@blendercouldren8063]

@@theoutergod8666even then the game was supposed to be finished by 2022 and it’s been 3 years since then, if they planned to release in 2022 than the main game must’ve been at least nearing completion.

[@theoutergod8666]

@ Where exactly is it said that it was supposed to be finished by 2022? Because I've not seen any such statements.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

As a longtime Half-Life and Team Fortress 2 fan, my perspective is probably more positive than most. Like it sucks we have to wait, but at least we KNOW they're still working on it. Team Cherry may not give us any news, but they DO poke their heads up once every few months to say things are still going well. They haven't made any false promises to placate us, or tried to maintain hype and rush the game's release.

[@Oscar-ek2jx]

They say thats its going well, but they have nothing to show for it. How do we know that there arent issues with development, or that the team hasn't fallen out or something? They had a playable demo 5 YEARS ago, where is the rest of the game?

[@yalefrink2295]

To be honest, I feel like this is very similar to the release of the Pikmin 4 game after Pikmin 3, which was released in 2013. Pikmin 4 was finally released in 2024, which is an incredibly long time, and I think this would be a similar situation.

[@Alexander-gv1fp]

While I see your point of view (I even liked your comment) I think it's not really a completely fair comparison. When you think about it, Pikmin 3 is a self-centred story, it's a standalone adventure with no real hint for a sequel. Like any other Pikmin game it has a beginning, middle and end, the Pikmin fans never had their expectations being twisted and ruined cuz they never really received a teaser for the next game. For them, at the time, Pikmin 3 was the final one, the last game, and the least they could do was just imagine something like "It would be cool to have a Pikmin 4", but in the end it didn't matter cuz they never received a trailer that actually announced it and when it came out it was a beautiful surprise (especially since it came out almost RIGHT AFTER the reveal trailer). We on the other hand got a trailer for a game that was meant to be released pretty quickly and then for 6 years... Nothing. Not saying your wrong but I think the more suitable comparison can be made with Half Life, a game that very CLEARLY has a sequel that is not even made yet.

[@yalefrink2295]

@Alexander-gv1fp That is actually true, I was in a specific situation where I knew that Pikmin 4 was being worked on. I had to patiently wait for it to be actually being continued on to switch platforms and finally advertise about it later through the years. But you did make a fair point about the majority of people being aware that the next game will be coming, but it kept getting delayed.

[@lewis9s]

⁠@@Alexander-gv1fp No actually this applies to Pikmin as well. At the end of Pikmin 3 after the credits, there is a scene of another ship crash landing on PNF-404 in the distance and all the Pikmin go to help, so they did have their expectations twisted and ruined too. In both situations were given hardly any information about the game other than “Yeah it’s in development” and been left on that note for YEARS. Completely fair comparison IMO.

[@Alexander-gv1fp]

@lewis9s Fair enough, never really played Pikmin, i just assumed based on the longplays i saw and the way the community seemed to handle it better then us. My bad.

[@fart7361]

From an outside perspective, there is no excuse to string your fanbase along like this. There is a difference between actual radio silence and faking a bunch of teases. Especially after years without even announcing a delay.

[@luckyluke31813]

I just can’t wait anymore. The longer it takes the more exhausted I get. I fear that I won’t be able to enjoy the game properly when it releases because of how long the pain of waiting was. If that makes sense.

[@micahrobbins8353]

I'm normally not a fan of "you should" type statements, BUT you shouldn't be exhausted from all this. I think trying to keep the hype alive is a trap because it IS exhausting. Detach my brother, the hype will return when the game comes out, and if not, is that really such a bad thing? It just means that your taste has changed, and there will always be other great things to find. I'm not you of course, but I think it's your attachment to an outcome that's causing problems, not necessarily the game itself

[@luckyluke31813]

@ ​​⁠yup, you’re probably right. I mean, I‘ve done a lot to distract myself from skong and all the hype and it kinda worked as well, but with all of those Silksong videos on YT I‘m getting too hopeful too quickly. I‘m a way too optimistic person, it’s making me go insane. But yes, you are right in the end.

[@teiull9388]

@@luckyluke31813 just detach until there is an actual OFFICIAL statement, the entire internet will blow up when it does and you will find out without having to watch shitty "news reporting" channels that sensionalise every small thing.

[@Roundtable-1]

Why do we even have a community manager if there's 0 communication

[@Guakkey]

They dont have one, leth handles connections with stuff like microsoft, nintendo, etc... not community stuffy :c

[@tancredidesimone7301]

the Dms were only damage control...we're so starved for anything that even leth responding at some dumbass question, they think it is enough. Well, it's fucking not, I'm sick and tired at the fact they can just take 5 goddamn minutes to update us and have a huge net positive for the fanbase, yet they refuse to doit for god knows what reason. Such a shame.

[@wrotweiler512]

The real skong might have actually been the friends we made along the way

[@ManuelLamy]

I feel earnestly bad for Team Cherry over all of this. I suspect I am not the only one, that was incredibly hyped for a couple of years over silksong. Sadly, it has been so long that my gaming itch had enough time to shift... I understand that it is a very tough challenge to release on first party from the get go compared to how Hollow Knight was released, but the absolute lack of communication is... odd to say the least. I removed it from my wishlist over a year ago, I will still be looking out for it and I might end up getting it, but it certainly won't be a day 1 purchase as opposed to how I initially thought. I hope the best for the entire team and wish it succeed, thanks for sharing, cheers!

[@XaraHollowKnight]

the wait will me more than half a decade next month

[@putin_1999]

I still have hope for silksong but team cherry's lack of communication is just depressing at this point.

[@Excelsior1937]

Look, if fans are getting hyped up for there to be news at an event when there has been no promise of news, that's one thing. THAT'S an example of fans causing their own disappointment. This gaff from Team Cherry is something else. When people are waiting on something from you, and you haven't even spoken to them for years, you do NOT tweet "something big is coming" if its not about the project everyone is waiting on. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell William tweeted that in the first place. Some people have been saying he was probably just excited about the Switch 2 reveal (if he even could have known that) but in that case, there's literally infinite other ways to express that excitement that don't sound like news for the project everyone is waiting to hear more from. I've been a big subscriber of the "just forget about the game until there's news" strategy. It's part of why I think everyone driving themselves mad with all the Silk-posting are absolutely bonkers. There's other games out there. But that strategy doesn't fucking work if you can't even trust that news is news! Let's not forget that we already had a release window for Silksong that had almost completely gone by before TC bothered to say "Yeah no, that was a lie", so apparently we can't even trust being given a release date. The only reason I can think of for why TC would wait until month 11 or whatever it was to say that Silksong would not be coming out within a year of June 12 was because they though they might be able to make that deadline, and it was only then that they realized it wasn't going to happen, but if that's the case, that just illuminates the real problem that they just keep on fucking adding stuff to this game, and at some point, if the game is this stuffed with shit, the quality is going to suffer. Can I really even be hyped anymore for something that has started to sound like it will be as wide as the ocean and deep as a puddle? Because that's the only takeaway I can think of to explain this.

[@Ryker_11]

They just should never have announced it as early as they did, they killed all the hype.

[@dillonsomerville4729]

They likely didn't realize how on edge everyone was since there was usually a lot of TC defenders, but after that stunt they pulled, I doubt there's too many defenders left. The hype for Silksong may still be rising, but so is the distain for Team Cherry.

[@kiliandevers4994]

Being mad about the silence is completely understandable. But the people out there who are mad that Team Cherry is taking there time to ensure us the highest quality possible is just beyond entitled.

[@ZamWeazle]

It's not that at all. It's how this has been handled

[@panik9122]

Perfectly fine with them taking their time but the complete silence and zero updates is just inexcusable

[@Dr.Matchstick]

I don't think TC is slacking off, I genuinely believe they are working hard, leth being a big reason for this (leth does want us to be hyped, but what he can share isn't his choice) But all that work won't matter if these last 6-7+ years are all turned bitter, it won't matter how good the game is, it will be underwhelming We've analyzed literally everything we possibly can from what we have, it wouldn't be hard to share something like the details of a quest or some enemies or an area I don't like the mob that's trying to force TC to give a response, but I understand why they are doing it I don't like the extreme defense of TC like they aren't making a gradually bad mistake, but I understand why it's happening The fire of animosity towards how TC isn't giving us anything hasn't ended, and won't end until they do, in fact it will likely get worse

[@AlejandroMartinez-fw3gt]

I hold to the hope that April 2nd will give us news

[@carrotjuice.6839]

i actually wouldnt doubt it, i think william pellen wasnt supposed to give any hints to the fans and leth got scared/upset so he denied anything considering an announcement soon. or i could just be coping rn

[@soldeera]

@@carrotjuice.6839 this whole situation doesn't make sense. He clearly spent time to get all the references to 2nd april. It just can't be coincidence since it's too specific

[@CrazyFlyingMonk]

It does seem to convenient however despite that it must not connect to the Nintendo showcase because Nintendo doesnt tell devs let alone indie devs (my understanding)

[@No-RE-q1w]

I've resorted to expecting nothing as of a year or two ago. To me, the game's dead unless it somehow resurfaces in the future.

[@Michael-ex5lj]

The amount of delusion you have is insane. There will be NOTHING on Nintendo Direct.

[@theemeraldarts5687]

Heyya! Before I say a word I’d like to state that I wish not to spread any negativity or hate towards anyone. No ifs, ands or buts- none whatsoever. Your video is timely and well made. Your points are decently solid and you stand your ground pretty well! Though the title is what really doubles down on the situation. To be brunt and to take the word of Team Cherry themselves, they’re a small team of people. So small in fact that they’re constantly at work and doing what they can to work another day to bring the promised Silk Song. In one of their posts, they state that making a post or an update on the game would set them back days (possibly weeks if I recall correctly.) To essentially wait for ONE game for all these years is great in one hand. On the other hand, you’ll burn yourself out with all this waiting. And soon enough you’ll get impatient. To make a video as powerful as this goes to show that you either may need another game to fill the gap, the unknowns of your research or the lack of time being fulfilled with something else. Don’t get me wrong, even I’M waiting alongside so many but I’m filling that void with Sonic, COD, Cult of the Lamb, hell even replaying Hollow Knight. “How to NOT treat your fanbase” is both a jump to conclusions and a stretch to make it seem like this dedicated team of developers, artists, musicians and writers don’t care and are slacking off. And that’s simply not the case.

[@LoominousShroominous]

This is like the only actual good comment I’ve seen here lol

[@theemeraldarts5687]

@@LoominousShroominous I do my best to understand the process of video game development. And, *don’t get me wrong*, I’m no developer of any sort but I know that things are in constant change, moderation, and conceptualization during the process. Many of these guys, and to no hate to any of them, don’t quite do much of their own research. Granted, hypocritical coming from me, I’ll remember what Team Cherry said. It’s even in their own Subreddit! Still- there’s reason to their silence.

[@LoominousShroominous]

@ yes. Most people are speaking out of there asses and crying not realizing that things DO take these long, especially when you have a small dev team in an industry where the standard is hundreds of employees. They have to balance money, workload, pay, so many things people choose to ignore if it helps there narrative of being miserable. As you said, waits this long are NORMAL. Especially for good high quality stuff They’ll learn eventually I guess

[@ZamWeazle]

​@@LoominousShroominousI absolutely agree with all these points I guess some of us feel like the inconsistencies of TC and the lack of news compared to what happened really early on. Plus belief that the game surely must have been close to finish many times when it wasn't kind of mis-sold this. It's not just the long wait but the inconsistencies. It's just emotionally draining when im really looking forward to this game. But no animosity to TC at all. Just a bit perplexed

[@LoominousShroominous]

@@ZamWeazle They've absolutely been using the wrong words when talking about the game if its closed to finished or not for sure. But what I will say is theres a chance when they said it was "almost done" or whatever, they geniuenly thought that, and then as time went on, they realized there was more they wanted/needed to add - so they've stopped giving us updates and things to latch onto because they know this exact thing would happen, over and over again. They'd say "guys its almost done!" and then realize that it wasn't, and then they'd have to go and say "actually is not almost done", which would suck so much more to hear as a community rather than silence - we'd feel like we just keep getting lied to. Silence like TC is doing, in my opinion, is the best choice.

[@ahmedsalih2353]

communication is key. there is no lock to insert the key. I ate.

[@kseromore]

finally a creator who says that. i feel like the bigger creators dont say it because they dont want to say they are disappointed with T.C but really the way they have handled the release of this game is.... i dont care when they release the game, they can take all the time they want but seeing their fandom like that and not releasing like a single screenshot or anything in yearss is disheartening

[@DoctorQcumber]

The end of this video makes me feel like I'm about to die. Like the sun is about to explode and consume me or something...

[@thebattlebee]

u made this comment 22 minutes ago

[@cherubin7th]

Devs treat fans like the game treats players.

[@veeveeorsomething]

man I don't even know any of this drama I'm just enjoying my funny bug game

[@Gopal_eats_rocks]

I’ve been a team cherry suckler for ages but I’m starting to uh… my patient is burning out… at the very least I used to participate in memes and be “silksane” and what not but, it’s hard to be excited, to be neutral

[@itsmetrojay]

I don’t care how many years it’s taken or is going to take; I remain neutral and a believer in Silksong.

[@kraymerman]

This has been the last straw for me, I'm just so tired. I'm going to buy Silksong, but after that I'm never going back to Team Cherry. Even though I'm sure none of this has been malicious, just horrific levels of tone-deafness, TC have shown a total and complete lack of respect for their community, who have stuck with them through coming up on 7 years, most of that being complete radio silence. The complete lack of acknowledgement is what's really hurting me. They haven't even apologized for how badly they screwed up with that shitpost. They clearly don't respect our time and feelings, even if they don't realize that's what they're doing. I'm staying for Hollow Knight, not TC. I'm not even going to bother with whatever Fearless Fox turns out to be

[@5P_OFFICIAL]

I know that developing your game is hard, but isolation from fanbase isn't a good thing for creator to do

[@DarkFlameWeaver]

I agree with this. I believe team cherry have basically screwed themselves over by not talking with their community and it stings. I have lost hype for the game. When the game releases the hype will return. But i can't same for everyone else.

[@jinh605]

I think it's worth saying that silksong is more than a game to team cherry. The team has been making video games and art since they were kids. They are artists and video games are their medium. Given how good Hollow Knight is and the fact the fanbase is still so large years after its release, its fair to say they are damn good artists as well. Silksong is not a game made for profit or to meet a quota. Silksong is not like Hollow Knight. It was never kickstartered for a reason. Because they didn't want so much outside pressure this time around. Hollow Knight is one of the most profitable games ever when compared to its original budget. HK had to be released on a deadline because if it wasn't, mortages weren't going to be paid. Now William and Ari are millionaires. They could afford to bring a team of dozens to make this game, but that would compromise what this game is. A deeply passionate piece of art made from the dedication of two people. It could only be made by these two. It cannot and will not be rushed. That is why they aren't communicating. Becuase what the HK fanbase wants is a game, a product. They aren't wrong for wanting that, but to William and Ari this is their chance to do what they've always wanted. Make a fully realized and perfect piece of art. Video games are overlooked as mediums of "art" usually, but they are. And good art, dare I say perfect art, takes true time, dedication, and a unified vision. We already know Silksong is going to be good as a piece of a art, but deadlines and fan interaction just make the game in to a product first for the team. Silksong is probably the most anticipated game of this decade. I fully expect to come out, but it will come out when the piece of art is done. I'm sure the world of Farloom is still unfolding out to the team as we speak. The game does not need to be released for money, so it shouldn't. I understand and sympathize with the frustration in this community, but at this point with the level of irony and size the community has reached, it is downright impossible for the team to interact with fans meaninfully.

[@Tired_Tortilla]

I AGREE SO MUCH OH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS, HOLLOW KNIGHT WOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS LONG AS WELL IF TEAM CHERRY WERENT BROKE BY THE END OF DEVELOPMENT.

[@backpack_hermit25]

You are correct in some ways however none of that is an excuse for their lack of transparency. It’s an outright disrespect to the fans, no one would care if they gave updates on development and be open on how it’s going. But they don’t, many fans paid money to kickstart this game and it hasn’t gone anywhere at all. Not only did team cherry foolishly agree to showcase silksong at the Xbox showcase, which said that everything shown will be dropped within a year… which is them making promises they can’t keep out of nowhere. Transparency is important and it’s disrespectful to your entire community.

[@prins-henrik1530]

​@@backpack_hermit25The game "hasnt gone anywhere at all" just bc we dont see the progress doesnt mean its not there. Team cherries failure is exclusively PR.

[@orthochronicity6428]

I don't really do the whole 'hype cycle' thing so I've never been excited. No announcement, nothing to get excited about. If it gets canceled, then I could be disappointed. But this time... it does hurt. A big portion of that hurt is born out of the confusion about what happened -- simply put: what the hell were those changes to the William's account and the tweet he put out? Everything still points to that being a hint except for the denial they had Leth put out, which leaves us in a bizarre limbo of having a very real indication of news and release window that's also apparently a lie we told ourselves. I don't hate Team Cherry at the least, though I am confused by them, and I definitely don't hate Leth who has been given the task of being a go-between in murky waters, and I will be excited for Silksong... but not before it's actually announced. I do think they have reasons for the delays, and I really hope we get to hear about it. From an art perspective, game design/development perspective, and as a deep dive into the game's mechanics, those interviews would be super fascinating regardless of their relevance for understanding we've been biting our collective nails for years. I've suspected since the beginning of last year that it's tied to the Switch 2 release. I'm not sure why it'd be so important for them to have it tied to that console, but there's a lot of concordance in the evidence that the Switch 2 was delayed by about a year, and that matches with a lot of the more recent, indirect indications we've gotten about Silksong. If it is one of the major third party games that Nintendo has secured as part of the year 1 line up to build up the library and pad out the gaps between first party releases, it makes complete sense that William may have wanted to give us another ARG style hint but jumped the gun as far as Nintendo was concerned -- a haphazard and ill thought out communique followed by a haphazard and ill thought out attempt at damage control. I dislike how much this relies on reading the tea leaves, but it does match with the scant knowledge we have and I don't think we have any evidence to really point to anything else being a reasonable explanation.... if we had any solid explanation, we'd all feel so much better.

[@prins-henrik1530]

My thinking exactly. If there was a Nintendo NDA, they wouldnt be able to say much; their lawyers are scary. Theyd have to lie to the community, which might be worse than just silence if they wanted an update.

[@ABS0LUTERAD1ANCE]

Unless team cherry spontaneously explodes, it'll happen... Someday... And if we don't think about it, it'll come out before we even know it... instead of going silksane, just sip your orange juice and do other things... I still follow what happens with silksong, but I've also been selling orange juice and developing my own metroidvania game...

[@Coocoocrazy3]

Yea but when you’re doing that, you expect the game to have some sort of news when you remember it exists. But nothign NOTHING for YEARS

[@No-RE-q1w]

Honestly, it might not happen. Team Cherry isn't a company that needs to get things out to keep the company steady and appease shareholders, they're just a handful of dudes who just happened to work on a very popular game. It could be another George RR Martin situation where the sequel never comes out simply because the author didn't feel like continuing it. This is the biggest drawback of indie gaming and multi-novel epics, because these sorts of things take years to make and some creators bite off more than they can chew.

[@The_Letter_J]

I think it says a lot about how I feel about Silksong currently whenever HK is my favorite game ever, but whenever I thought we were getting news for the first time in years a few days ago, my reaction was just "Oh neat I wonder what it's gonna be" the amount of excitement I felt was minimal and the announcement of it being nothing just felt like being kicked while I was down I definitely think that Team Cherry should spend as much time as they need on this game and they definitely aren't obligated to give us anything, but I don't think that's fair enough to give us nothing but silence since the delay, it's been almost 2 years since then and we haven't heard a single thing I know a some people will just say to play different games and to try something else, but that is what we've been doing this whole time and I have yet to experience any game that has satisfied me as much as Hollow Knight (except maybe deltarune lol) The fake arg thing is the first thing Team Cherry has done that has made me genuinely furious with their communication, the fact that the deconformation wasn't even from Team Cherry themselves but instead was from Fireb0rn who has nothing to do with Team Cherry and is just a content creator also says a whole lot about their communication, it was second hand information Also I really feel like they should've just ran with the whole April 2nd thing even if it wasn't intentional and given us something, even if it would smaller than most people would want, because at least it would be something, but instead all we have is just more disappointment I have been hoping that Team Cherry will finally improve with their communication but this has made me lose hope with that possibility as well At this point the thing I'm hoping for the most isn't news, but that this won't influence my thoughts on Silksong, because whenever the game does eventually release I don't want to play the game with a bad mindset as that would only taint my impression on the game

[@amiano59e4]

im just saying dude if they posted a npc hell maybe 2 npcs you can talk to. thatll leave the fandom fed for a good 4 years

[@The_Letter_J]

Leth actually talked about doing riddles a little while ago and his thoughts are the exact opposite In his mind people will be upset if the only thing they reveal after all this time is just a handful of NPCs I personally disagree with that though, because sure people probably would get upset at that, but it's ten times better than nothing and is much better than just saying the game is being worked on

[@amiano59e4]

@@The_Letter_J yea like just posting a quarter frame of a character will blow away the community at this point

[@glareninja]

1:43 this is where i disagree now, when i say this, i mean, we have been super loyal to TC, which means more money in their bank when skong releases we kinda do deserve an update is all im sayin :/ also just a note, 6-8 years isnt unreasonable for a game to take to be made, look at deltarune which has kinda been in toby fox’s head for over a decade, and in development for 6 years,potentially 7-8 if to toby fox started on it soon after undertale released didnt botw and tokt also take 5-6 years?

[@glareninja]

im also disappointed and frustrated with the situation rn, this is truly not how a game dev should handle communication, deltarune is also a game taking a while to make, as stated but the difference is, toby fox gives us hope by telling us about development, and he literally just makes deltarune a loaf of bread, slices it up, and separates the slices, leaving behind bread crumbs of news to satiate the community until the next chapter(s) deltarune could easily be a silksong situation, but the dev knows how to make sure it doesnt. deltarune also does something else, toby fox actually hired people to help with development, and geuss what team cherry did? not hire any additional help, sure team cherry was a team while toby fox only had an artist and himself. however toby fox’s original game was also only 6 hours long, deltarune is already 3-6 hours (depending on your own pacing) for a single chapter, and yet we still get news, and a new chapter every couple of years im not saying team cherry is greedy, or stupid nor do they need to hire someone, but they either need to suck up the time lost from giving us news, or hire someone to help with game development so that there wouldn’t be time lost, giving us news.

[@TulynTheVoiceActor]

Through Silk and Song…

[@chrisdanks6447]

Very strange way to treat people,your audience,your fans who love your creations. Not sure why they can't just say words to us,show us a video,some concept art,anything to interact with us.

[@jimmyjab8744]

what was the fake arg? The cake pfp thingy? I may have missed it if it wasn't that

[@christophercaddy1295]

yh it was that

[@orthochronicity6428]

Cake PFP, plus the tweet statement, plus the handle change... which all seemed to point in the same direction.

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

Yes the "ARG" was about the cake. People called all the nods to April 2nd an arg before the confirmation it was nothing. Quite the stretch imo.

[@jimmyjab8744]

@ i mean, i dont see what's wrong with it tbh i might be misunderstanding it but the hinting towards April second to me seems worth while and to think it's an arg at first and have it not be but instead be a more direct and simple hint, am i missing something to be mad at? At least i think some people didn't like it, idk

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

@@jimmyjab8744 people are just mad that the tweet ultimately isn't teasing a silksong release date reveal or smth similar. This is basically the culmination of TC not communicating at all, anything any of them may do will be tracked down by desperate silksong awaiters. Most say the tweet was either a crude, socially deaf joke or a mean joke. Either way, overall this isn't really anything worth getting mad about, but a prime excuse for people to get justified frustration out. It isn't a good reason to be mad, but a reason nonetheless. That's all a lot of people needed right now.

[@autismandgaming4532]

I can't wait for Hollow Knight: Silksong - Wha happun?

[@arthur-kng]

I just wait patiently. The Team Cherry's silence it really is mysterious, but I am just accepting it because I love them like you... and if you really love someone, you accept what that person do and want... and you can forgive. We want a polished and perfect game and I feel like we will get it and we will forgive. Sharp your nail for a sharp needle ♥️🍒

[@diegoborges1348]

Man, Outer Wilds supernova soundtrack there just made me feel uneasy 😂 Too hard not to associate it with the feeling of impeding doom

[@jgunner280]

Dragon's Dogma 2, Spyro 4, Okami 2, Silk Song. Honestly, it even felt like a small eternity to get the full Turok trilogy remastered with the 3rd game only coming to PC for the first time in like... two decades? Is that right? Well, basically I've been here before, still honestly kind of there for most of it. I still don't even know if Spyro 4 is going to be real, but the teases, sales, and breadcrumbs have been there for a long while, and I so badly want it - and Okami, I mean... we only just got that confirmed down to such a basic and primal level that they just smack on a "sequel" title card and the director just started working. But know what's easier to think of than those games? All the games I have played. Seriously, there's so many good games out there right now. So, so, so many! Especially if you've tapped into Hollow Knight, you're not one of those guys that just sticks to "big leagues" and constant online dopamine only to be turned down by live service crap. You've got access, be it Switch or PC, to some of the coolest games out there from big and little studios alike. Starting small and thinking more to a PC side, go for something like Nine Sols or Biogun for a creative Metroid indie experience, or Pseudoregalia for a 3D format. Something beyond? Trepang2, Core Keeper can suck up your time like crazy, Boltergun, Anger Foot, Demon Turf, Amber Isle, Slime Rancher 2, Gunfire Reborn just updated new DLC, get in on Deep Rock Galactic, something new called Tyrant's Realm is like $10 and apparently does some insanely good Souls bosses in a roguelite format, or have you even played the originals of the other games I mentioned at the start? Arkane's Prey brutally undersold itself, and now is a cool time to go grab a Monster Hunter game on sale, c'mon go play some games. I know, I know. Some people just really hold out hope and a lot of trust into the world they got so attached to. Its a cool series, and would be wonderful to have more to go on top of it. Still, you can't make a river run the other direction. I've been seeing some hyper-fans of Hollow Knight and Spyro post things of anticipation and rallying cries in their feeds, only to be devastated and mopey. Guys, just pause a bit, step back, and inhale that good air. The situation with this game in particular sucks, and its kind of screwed up how little they even want to speak to us about it, but... at this point I really became numb to it. I don't want to hate hearing about it, I just want to have a good time, so... I'm waiting until I ACTUALLY know more about it. When a true new piece releases, and they come out with clear and loud news. Until then... I got other games to enjoy that are here now, and make me smile a lot.

[@Sekiro_lover]

Either this is the biggest game of all time or someday we are gonna get some background information of what happened during development that possibly might not be pretty

[@Ramp4ge28]

As a geometry dash player who waited for 5+ years, and not being the one who waited the most. After getting the first update in 7 years i can only say that it be worth the wait, and not because of the update, because of the wait, and i think to my comunity that those 7 years were the best thing to ever happen to us. Sadly, this comunity is tired, as every coment can say, they don't want to wait more, and i honestly don't have any idea of how to fix it. I can only say that you need to be more patient, because the best thing that will happen to the hollow knight comunity won't be the game, will be the end of the wait itself.

[@FluffyBoi-h9w]

Tomorrow for sure!

[@micahrobbins8353]

This guy gets it

[@FluffyBoi-h9w]

Battle Bee! Stay determined!

[@danyk1n2]

bro, if I see another "boo hoo im so sad where is silksong" video im gonna bust. I get it bro i want silksong too but there is just too many videos like that

[@jinxsterr_Dispenser3741]

Alternative title: how to NOT treat a fanbase (to monthly updates)

[@stuffstuff3455]

Not even monthly updates. Team Cherry used to give us quad-monthly updates, I'd love to go back to an update every 4 months.

[@VOID-stuff]

If toby fox can give updates AND whole bunch of bonus content team cherry can sure as hell atleast tell us everything is going fine every few months.

[@DamageMaximo]

It hasn't been 7 years, it has been 5, almost 6

[@williambutcher7429]

It’s been seven years since hollow knight came out, which is likely what he meant.

[@Sekiro_lover]

Playable hornet was promised even before hollow knight came out

[@jukesdtj656]

We, the fans, have a vested interest in seeing Silksong became the greatest game it can be. We know Team Cherry is capable of amazing things because we have Hollow Knight as proof. We, the fans, want to support Team Cherry in any way we can. To be so heavily invested in something, to desire it coming to fruition and be denied knowing anything about how things are going for 5 YEARS now... It's a level of apathy for the people who support you so much that is bordering on disrespectful. This isn't a community of angry violent pricks lashing out because they don't get to play a game, this is a community of sad letdown optimists crying out in frustration because we don't have anything to show for our passion.

[@prins-henrik1530]

No its both, in this very comment section there are people who are lashing out. The community is not one type of person.

[@wkoya4803]

​@@prins-henrik1530you just described every community in gaming history, congratulations! The loud majority of the community fit juke's statement.

[@prins-henrik1530]

@@wkoya4803 Yes, but Juke seemed to not take that in mind that there is a growing amount of the latter

[@farmerduna]

You know... this really hit home for me. Especially the very beginning thoughts you shared. I played Hollowknight when it released on ps4 in 2018. I have played it regularly every year since. It's a cozy place I can go where I seem to stumble on new lore & understanding every time I do. I have been watching silksong develop and like you said, spent years joking about the PAIN it is to wait. Yet always felt lighthearted about it. Allowing Team Cherry to do what they do best and cook. I've felt enormous trust through the silence, and even understanding the silence as well. With Leth saying the next words will be from team cherry themselves and that it's going to be big. With the dreamt up arg which seems illogical and irresponsible if true. It's been hard to accept that my trust has been a little broken because I do believe in them with all my heart. Hollowknight is such a special world, and if it takes 10 plus years to build another kingdom in the same realm I'm here for it. I'm patiently waiting. And I hate spoilers - I haven't even watched both silksong trailers all the way through, so I understand not wanting to share too much about it. But connection with the devs here and there or in big moments of misunderstanding would feel SO NICE as a die hard fan. Instead I patiently lurk in the subs. I don't want to miss a moment of a reveal and so I wear my clown makeup and show up for every show. All of which could be put to rest with a note from Team Cherry here or there for assurance that our time is coming, just not yet. Yet, I respect their silence. I hope with all my being that when we get solid news about Silksong, whatever that news might be, that at some point following we get a story about the development journey. I would really love to know it all. I still love team cherry. I still play Hollowknight regularly. I've bought it for friends and on multiple platforms. I'll buy and play silksong day one. But I'm feeling like I've faltered. Tripped. Wobbled. My trust in them is askew and it sucks and it's uncomfortable. I hope we hear something soon. And I really hope it wasn't r/silksong's loudest members that ruined communication with TC for all of us... Anyway, if you're still here - that's my sad thoughts on the matter too. Thanks for voicing things I'm sure many are feeling. Hang in there friend!

[@Gigi4u]

2 year's ago i was legitimately excited for hollow knight silksong but that excitement has faded almost completely away. Even with a new trailer i doubt that it will feel the same as when i was still hyped for it. Maby a new playthrogh of hollow knight might change things but it right now is just something that exists but also dosint exist. It is worse than the wait for tears of the kingdom because at least there you might get one trailer a year but not nothing for 2 years straight. Other games with small dev teams like deltarune have better communication with fans that keep the community excited about the next chapter. So there is no logical reason why they cant at least bother to give a status update once or twice a year.

[@PeterParker1984444]

Unwished from the list by everyone, so maybe they learn the lesson.

[@Im_ruined]

Welp no sound, no memory... The happy is fleeting

[@NorthernWind_Vlll]

The silence of the last year leads me to believe they did decide NOT to use Unity and are rebuilding the game in another engine. But idk.

[@rivalifritdarc2481]

SilkSong is originally their promise of Hornet DLC So yes, we are entitled to it, or at least the original backer of Hollow Knight

[@BanterManCan]

I feel bad for the hollow knight community being given nothing and as soon as there might be something its taken away. And the fact that they had to learn it second hand shows me that they are cowards who are afraid of conflict. Mabe tc should just go away

[@melodyboyd6320]

I love Hollow Knight, the magic when I first played it was special, the world and the music. I was so excited for Silksong since the initial reveal. But now... The excitement I felt has turned to disappointment and even resentment. I kept believe, getting hyped for things, and over the last year I told myself I wouldn't be thinking about it much. Then the cake thing... Overall, no matter how good Silksong is, I think the way Team Cherry is treating their fans is unexceptable. Its been over, what, 2 years since the game was supposed to come out, and it still hasn't, and Team Cherry doesn't care to update us. It's like an endless climb that only gets steeper, and I can't keep being hyped for this anymore. Crowsworn gives updates all the time, they could make a post on Twitter, they choose not to and let the fans who love what they make be left in the dust, having no idea whats happening anymore or questioning if its even real. Just my thoughts, I'm glad to hear your thoughts as well in the video, I agree

[@brassy9425]

Honestly I really like and agree with this video, my biggest issue is by saying nothing expectations rise and rise. Like it has to be game of the decade at this point. There's a few reasons why I think their silent. 1. They're stuck and don't know what to do with the game, development hell. I don't think that's likely but it's possible. 2. They keep adding to the game, I think it's important at some point to say "let's save these ideas and areas for the sequel" like they did for the first game. I'm worried the game will be bloated and some areas will feel extremely out of place and not right. This is likely to me 3. They're worried about disappointing fans. This one is extremely likely and maybe they're terrified of disappointment and not living up to expectations. However as explained the longer they take the more we expect.

[@Splatrakuzilla31]

I’ve been thinking, what if we do a fixtf2 type of thing where we do something similar to what the tf2 community did? It was able to work on valve and broke their years of radio silence, so maybe, just maybe, it will work on team cherry.

[@dolphin859]

the truth is that i kidnapped william and ari so that silksong never releases so that the hollow knight community can feel what it was like to wait for kingdom hearts 3

[@el_lea]

You know, I've been waiting for Silksong since it's trailer release, I haven't played HK then but I played it last year without any spoilers (20/10 game) I have to say that I'm really hyped for the game and It's really sad to see the insanely bad coincidences that happened with these late events, it feels like the universe wants to break everyone and yeah it's really bad. Team Cherry is justified to me for adding more content, that's a really bad habit that a lot of indie games like Terraria or Warframe had, but I personally dislike the way they haven't said anything since 2020. I just want to say; I know HK changed the life of a lot of people because it's like, the highest bar in indie games, but even though I know people are waiting a sequel because the first game was insane, I wanted to say that please... Stop torturing yourself... Silksong will be a great game and it will release some day, I don't know if it will be greater than HK but it's at least bigger than HK in what we've seen, but even like that, just wait for it and don't exaggerate time limits, even if Team cherry just plays ghost and don't says anything. The game is real and it will be cool, but please, don't say things like "if Skong don't releases in 2025 I'll lose hope" because it breaks me to know that that'll probably not happen. Just... wait for it, and when it releases you'll feel hyped rather than angry for the time you waited thinking about what might be there that takes so long, this year Sksong reaches the same ammount of time HK took to make, and it's acceptable. But even like that I know that Team cherry is wrong in not talking to anyone :(

[@lirehsa]

TF2 community: First time?

[@thebattlebee]

✋😔🤚

[@Al-Basha_]

is asking for updates one a year too much??

[@Tulipo-]

I'll buy the game day 1. But i am really mad with all this silence.

[@bloombox00]

I sort of understand both sides here. On one hand I understand team cherry is an extremely small group people. However while I don’t expect full blown trailers or anything it would be nice to at least get a small update regarding the development

[@GiorgosGkanas]

Team cherry and toby fox aka the two giants of the indie games are very similar both of them make some of the biggest games of the last decade and now making somewhat of sequel for their games and are taking very long to come but the big difference is that toby fox cares about the fans and post updates i know that silksong is hopefully a way bigger game than deltarune chapter 3 and 4 but still while we get lots of news about deltarune for silksong we haven't got news in 2 years at this point do they even care about the fans

[@TheZote-k9e]

I still think SilkSong will be out next....... ...Month, maybe, I don't know....... I mean, Look how much we waited! Even if SilkSong will not be the best game in the world, It still will be worth it, because we play what we even didn't think we ever play! Don't give up on Team Cherry! 🙏 I know it will be...... Okay, I don't know when it will be, but it will be soon! Not tomorrow! Not after tomorrow! Not after after tomorrow! We need to wait.

[@ECThurn]

does anyone actually know for sure whether "little bomey" is actually william's account? i think the "something big is coming" tweet was basically the final drop for a lot of fans, and it really does make me wonder why a lead dev would stretch their luck with an already impatient fanbase like that. but that's the thing, do we even know if that's william's account?

[@rgraham9792]

I’m still working through Nine Sols so Team Cherry take your time please

[@lewis9s]

I know how difficult game development is, and I don’t really blame them for saying silent. The whole April 2nd cake thing, intentional or not was a very bad move considering how desperate this fanbase is. But at the same time, if I were in their shoes and had a brilliant game in the works I’d also likely be doing the same and staying completely silent so that one day I can release it when I feel ready and sure that it’s the best it can be.

[@thelaststraightguy990]

honestly I gave up on silksong years ago. even if it releases, I probably won't even buy it. Just moved on from that now.

[@SeleneMoonshine626]

ill be a 100% honest I did really love Hollow Knight and team cherry but since they started to become radio silent I did worry and thought something went wrong with the game. And I just have no more hope or care for silksong anymore like they have been quiet and vague for too long like working on a game for 7 years and not show us anything like progress, Gameplay or screenshots it make's me feel like Team cherry doesn't really care for their community. I get that they are a small dev team but they should get more people to help them make the game and they should also stop adding to many ideas to the game or else it will never come out. All we want is a release date or some gameplay of silksong so we can know that they really are working on the game and haven't abandoned it. Plus I think they might shadow drop silksong which might make a lot of people very angry and upset. sorry I started to ramble I'm very upset with team cherry for their complete silence to their community. If anybody wants to disagree with me that's fine I wont argue with anyone. Hope everyone has a great day/night. :)

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

This game is like a loading bar, the 90% they show you took only a few years to make, & the last 10% is taking forever.

[@squidking191]

I just feel really let down. I am tired.

[@Olivia-pj8wy]

Same thing happened to titanfall. Truly disappointing.

[@MissMonicaSilvia90]

I'm sorry for your loss 😢

[@Astehisse]

I prefer a game I waited years, but who's prefect, than a game coming out to soon, and who didn't meet my expectation. That all I have, and all I can (sadly) said.

[@ericschuster2680]

Time doesn't always translate to quality, especially with video games.

[@Astehisse]

@ericschuster2680 more time = better chances than no time, but your point is true

[@goodkite3845]

cyperpunk says otherwise that game had several delays and still released a buggy mess its also been 6 years even for three people you would think the games finished there was that owl game that took I think 9 years? but that seemed mostly art related but made by 5 people. I'm not saying the game is actually finished there probably have been development issues but I think the real issue is communication and expectation leths position feels out of place like your paying someone just to say game exists? at this point its just confirmation there will be no news but never directly saying it. as an audience we don't know anything we don't know why there is a delay we don't know how close or far the game is ready and engagement feels like a prolonged hype with nothing to show for. i have have decided to move on from waiting for the game and chose to forget about it if they having nothing to share then I have nothing to care. putting sliksong in a Nintendo direct and having video footage of an old demo just skews the perspective on where the game is at progress wise do I blame them? no we all make mistakes its just three people its better to not fuss about them

[@stuffstuff3455]

This isn't what the video is about. This is about communication and Team Cherry's radio silence. There are games that took longer to come out than Silksong is (currently) taking to come out, like Omori, yet have good communication.

[@pjstamm2112]

Great video. HK is the GOAT in my opinion so I absolutely love it, but after nothing happened following the Edge article (which was over FOUR YEARS ago!), whatever hype/hope I felt is gone. There's only so long that copium can keep someone going. I'm sure Silksong will be a great game, but...when?

[@raphpap5162]

I think that team cherry should give us a formal explanation, we are NOT free pre-order and unpaid community maganers. We can wait, we can preserve the hype and they don’t have to give us updates HOWEVER actively trolling us is TOO MUCH. If we want this situation to be sane (again?) they need to give us a formal explanation and/or update. My revendication isn’t motivated and blinded by hatred or sadness but these feelings should not go to waste, we must clarify the situation before it is too late

[@thedarkest9]

We are stuck in a situationship!