21: Shane Dawson | The BCC Club Podcast

How many times can a person get cancelled before they change? Not enough, apparently. This week, Sarah and Kendahl discuss the man that had an absolute chokehold on teens in the early 2010s of KZbin, Shane Dawson.
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[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

Mom is 52 and I’m 30- we have been big fans since vine. I wish Sarah knew people genuinely cared for them. The story about the universal trip being almost healing for them was really nice. WE LOVE YA SARAH

[@CrystalKush47]

Next up Colleen Ballinger... 👀 Edit: Ok given the “apology” video that she just posted…we absolutely need an episode on this woman

[@sonnybobbie22]

right?! 😂

[@zonk35]

FRRRR!!!!! I would eat that up

[@PanthORandPonAY]

OOOOOOOF.

[@obeyaaashleyx3]

YES

[@ezi1691]

I would set an alarm for thaf

[@ashipper8223]

I’m a 60 year old woman and I would recognize you. Some old people are interested in what young people have to say.

[@tyleraws]

we need more people like you in the world

[@KZesty]

Every time I see Sarah's hair it's so shiny and healthy-looking! I aspire to that.

[@Poohbear5560]

yes their hair is absolutely incredible!! And her makeup skills are insane, they’re always glowing and stunning 😍😍

[@Ezra_Scales]

Another thing that now looking back is really disgusting is how Shane treated his friends at the time (Garrett, Andrew, and Drew) he was never outwardly mean towards them but he was very passive aggressive towards them and treated horribly.

[@Poohbear5560]

i agree but i feel like he was definitely mean to drew. Didn’t he talk about his appearance negatively a bunch? I think i remember that they were eating pizza once and Shane said something like “oh do you really think that’s a good idea” or “is that what you’re having for dinner?”.. so disgusting and it really affected drew

[@Ezra_Scales]

@Poohbear5560 I'm honestly not to sure because I haven't watched a Shane video in ages, but I wouldn't doubt he said that to Drew. Then what made it worse was when Drew was out of the picture he immediately made his next target Garrett with making comments like he's "childish" for simply just showing his love and passion in basically any kind of interest he had. I truly don't know how anybody could be mean to Garrett either because just from what we've seen of him online he doesn't have a mean bone in his body and he's just a big sweetheart.

[@moyaxoxo5923]

@@Poohbear5560that was literally both of their brand * self deprecating humor * he also basically gave them all platforms. So interesting take ….

[@deltaloraine]

Yeah it was all self-deprecating humor, (I don’t think Shane knows how to do anything else) but in my experience when you keep making those kind of jokes about yourself 24/7, it actually starts to take hold and continuously tank your self esteem…and having friends joke as well can make it worse. It’s good to have a mix of jokes and make sure to be kind to yourself as well. So the environment they were creating together just ended up getting toxic, even if they didn’t mean for it to happen. I’m just glad Garrett got out of there and is making content with other channels like Watcher. He’s way too positive, creative, and fun loving to be dragged down by Shane.

[@RealToWonder]

yea, I am glad Andrew and Garrett got away from him and are having a blast being BFFs themselves. Of course, it was easy for Andrew to get away after he got his money. Props to Garrett for distancing himself before the blowup and around the time Shane started working with JS. It seemed like Garrett didnt like what he saw and fucked off.

[@InternetsPedestrian]

I know alot more came out about the situation but i really believe that D'angelo Wallace video on Shane Dawson is the most succinct takedown and a premonition to how messed up the relationship of minor fans to early content creators was. (Colleen Ballenger now)

[@moonamigi]

Shane's apology videos were never sincere. He always played the victim and had an annoyed attitude. He never truly reflected how offensive he was and how it impacted people

[@CreepyCrawlyFella]

I felt the neurodivergent person coming up and saying “do you like sharks” because that is. Exactly what I would do

[@irradiated_woman8016]

Yo tell me something about sharks (Or whatever preferred topic that sharks are a stand-in for)

[@TheBCCClub]

And I absolutely love it everytime

[@erin1912]

so excited to hear about shane and more of sarah’s upsetting family history!

[@TheBCCClub]

Hahahah

[@sydney9011]

Forever remembering that AWFUL photo he posted where he was saying "Practicing my makeup skills, I think it looks really good!" and it looked like a 9 yr old got into mom's makeup.

[@oscarkamala]

a 9 year old is too kind lol

[@sydney9011]

@@oscarkamala lmao so true

[@aspannas]

That truly just showed how he was just in for the money, he didn't actually have an interest in makeup, just the amount of money it would bring in.

[@jinx17]

Oh I'm ready to hear this, I was a Shane fan YEARS ago (not anymore!) Can't wait for this :D

[@avery5355]

this is such a fun time for you guys to even just mention smosh since they’re gonna start the og skits again !!!!

[@TheBCCClub]

I know!! I saw! I’m so excited

[@megantiffany]

I’m 26, my mom is 53 and I know we both adore you - you’re universally loved :)

[@emilydenomme2902]

when Kendahl said she hasn’t pooped anything solid in a couple years, I felt so seen

[@fallrain910]

Yall need see a doctor

[@jquick6055]

I went to my doctor and she literally said it’ll never get better. 😂 have to love GI tract issues.

[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

Please do a Jenna Marbles episode! We miss her and the more we can gather around our collective grief, the better we will all heal. 😅

[@laurielmaoo]

at the end of the day she did do and say a lot of bad shit and chose to leave because of it. that shouldn’t be brushed under the rug

[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

@@laurielmaoo I don’t think that’s brushing anything under the rug.

[@nina.robbs565]

​@@laurielmaoothey'd talk about her leaving? if anything, it would be the opposite.

[@mclainbrogdon656]

That would be really interesting!

[@berryquiet6497]

PLEASE do an episode on The Ultimatum. That series was so refreshing not only for reality TV but for lesbian representation. Would love to hear y'alls thoughts! 💖

[@lynnNlouise]

Would love an episode where ya’ll go over more people like Trisha paytas (problematic) and Jenna marbles (unproblematic) both ends of the spectrum. I miss Jenna so much. And I’m intrigued by the fact that Jenna is among the few influencers who are truly kind and genuine. What are the things she did RIGHT to achieve this status? Her humor was vulgar in her beginning, but she managed to never be canceled.

[@isastu]

i think the one thing jenna did right especially towards the end take meaningful action to responding to her actions and not just the “i’m sorry feel bad for me i didn’t know and now i do” line most youtubers follow. like with the fish video, she made an apology, deleted the original video, and didn’t ignore something that other youtubers would.

[@ThatDataLady]

I mean Jenna technically got cancelled but it was just fkn heartbreaking. The the beginning her humor wasn’t vulgar for the time Her humor was if anything, progressive for the time. I mean… 3 Looks came out when I was in junior high and it was SO funny, my mom and I died laughing. All of her videos were hilarious. It was like 2011. She was on par with the rest of the world in 2011. And then for some reason everyone decided to drag the lake in 2020 like shit happened a decade ago and she has very very very much changed just like the rest of us. When I was 13 and she started making videos I TOO was mysoginist to a large extent. I had so much internalized mysoginy and hated being a woman….. well in my 20s I turned out to be the biggest women’s rights activist I know personally. We all change. I feel like Jenna got fked over.

[@AmeliaAnne]

I will never forget the day Shane made that tweet about his cat was the first tweet I saw when I opened the app at 7am and was just so confused as to what the f was going on. It is permenatley burned into my brain.

[@Dannysworlddd]

I saw on gay Twitter Shane is having twins this year and the way he talks about kids on his podcast and he brought up “growers and show-ers” having to do with his kids 🤮🤮🤮 immediately felt sick my stomach, that’s so sad and scary for them to be able to have children, I can’t imagine the childhood that kid is going to have

[@MHThinkinBoutTheEnd]

"you should take pepcid or a probiotic". sarah literally took the words out of my mouth. i take both in the morning and it helps, do it kendall!

[@Blue-iv5fv]

there are so many things that Sarah says that makes me cry because it's like someone finally gave words to that weird feeling i always had. I was raised in a bad place and now i don't buy things for myself like ever unless they are utilities etc. even clothes feel too much and yeah i also don't have the money to afford things but... there's something that hearing NO too many times or only getting things when they want something in return does to you. I wonder if i ever find life (and money) again would i be able to buy things i like for myself?

[@jessicapineda4869]

first time I’m watching the new podcast. I watched Sarah when she did the other podcast with Brittany. I have a little bit of a different opinion when it comes to Shane but this was really interesting to watch and listen to y’all’s breakdown of him. Would like to hear one about Trisha

[@beeaunghka]

I want to be y’all’s friend so bad 😭 Sarah would be the best friend in the world I know it aw I loved how much she appreciates the ppl around her :’)

[@guwuega8010]

Petition for BCC to get Strange Æons (Teya) as a guest on the podcast!

[@IDEKaaaaaaaagh]

Hearing Sarah talk about how they love it when people say their name and actually talk to them is WREGKELR:GKW:LESF. Sarah is such a funny and interesting person?! I could talk to them all day, or until one of us burnt out of socialness lmao. But yeah, I relate honestly. SARAH! I remember you wondering if you're autistic; you struggling with facial expressions is most definitely an autistic trait (not to say that you are, but) and god, I struggle with it so much too. I used to have people constantly telling me to smile when I was a kid and I haaaaaaaaated it, and it confused me so much. Don't force yourself into change, it's already exhausting battling through a neuro typical world as it is.

[@gorefieldluvr6921]

Something i learned that was life changing for me is that most abusers and people who are manipulative do not understand that they are being manipulative. They think theyre acting normal. I think that yes shane dawson portrays himself in those "real world of bla bla bla" docu series as this little thing that is just warm and forgiving, and yes that is to improve his image. Calling himself an empath etc. But i think thats because he genuinely hates himself and is disgusted by his past, and is desperately trying to proove constantly that hes not like that anymore. To himself and to others. The result is a horrible guy who is uwuw manipulating people into feeling pity for him because he cant handle his past with genuinity and a straight back.

[@amandabechamp8904]

What a good episode! I’d love to see one about Trisha Paytas in the future. You guys touched on her and it got me wanting it! Also you’re both hilarious, I looooove the Sarahs aunt character 🤣

[@Hellokittycore737]

I feel like Shane was not cancelled, peoole just tried holding him accountable but his Stan’s will blindly defend anything that unclean predator does :/

[@please_im_a_staaar]

Yeah, Shane does have this utter lack of self-awareness when it comes to how rich he is. In his recent videos he always says things like "why do rich ppl do this?!" "it's like when rich ppl say....", kinda mocking them. It seems by saying these things he distances himself from rich ppl to seem relatable or he truly does not think he's rich because there are some ppl in his LA friend circle who are richer than him. Even though he rides Tesla and has 20 ugly identical designer crocs and sneakers.

[@dannidannidan]

Oml aunt carol is something else 😂😂😂 love have her as a guest!!

[@harmonyquinn2557]

I’m also in recovery and I just wanted to say how much I related to not feeling like I have anyone that wants to just be around me for me & def not anyone that’d just do something nice for me.

[@jubileehoney3269]

Love going back and rewatching your old episodes, y'all are so funny

[@Drizella9]

I feel the singing thing heavy if a comedian pulls out a guitar a shutter and look away

[@fellyjelly]

you guys are just so fun to listen to im smiling at the intro like y’all are my friends lol

[@brittneynoel7372]

32:23 I can't believe Sarah told the future for Colleen's apology video

[@emilycampbell7001]

this is literally one of my favorite episodes of you guys’ and i am so invested 😭

[@lwalker8384]

Honestly so glad Sarah’s aunt was brought back for this. She’s iconic ❤

[@jinx17]

After watching, I would like to say I don't think Bobby burns was being outright mean or hateful to shane, he just said his content wasn't good and his merch was a cash grab and called out the blackface shane did (which shane conveniently left out of that series he did when he met bobby). He did a lot of reviews of content and movies before shane got a hold of him. Sort of like nick diramio does now. Then shane bought him a car, added him to the channel, Bobby moved to LA to do vlogs for shane and his own channel, then shane took him off the channel, and Bobby was left hanging and his mental health really took took a nose dive. I used to hate watch shane until recently but he not too long ago did a whole ass video about "the conspiracy" that is GENERIC BRANDS (gasp) and I was done even hate watching. Speaking of the "good" shane videos, they were good because drew and garrett were in them, and shane was a huge asshole to them on camera. Both have since completely dropped shane and are doing much better for themselves.

[@Mountain_Biking_Vampire_Which]

The fact that Shane Dawson literally did Minstrel shows for his audience for years assaulted children animals and posters of Willow Smith makes me sick to my stomach the thought he still gets a million on his podcast shows that there's no such thing as "canceling".I used to be a Black Shane Dawson fan but things he's done to hurt my community is unredeemable it's not quirky or cute it's corny tired played out and racist.

[@smells1e.-_]

i think u mean minstrel

[@mmalove98]

Minstrel is mocking black ppl menstrual is the bleeding cycle

[@Mountain_Biking_Vampire_Which]

@@smells1e.-_ thanks for telling me

[@Mountain_Biking_Vampire_Which]

@@mmalove98 yeah I know it autocorrected thank you for telling me

[@mmalove98]

@@Mountain_Biking_Vampire_Which I figured you did i didn’t want It To misconstrue your message cuz I really agree with it

[@theshrillness]

I love the way kendahl says paytas lol

[@sydn3y777]

38:36 I’m crying laughing at Kendahl’s “oooh”

[@Dannysworlddd]

YES ANOTHER VIDEO WITH AUNT CAROL 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🫶🏼 bless the lordddd

[@Picklemick33]

5 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Kendahl is funny💛

[@Onionjeans]

Kendall and Sarah, please talk about the colleen ballinger situation next

[@tatirogers4565]

“Tati you are a grown woman” 👁️👄👁️ I’m just making my lunch

[@ryl777lyr]

I love when sarah mentions Jimin and BTS 💜

[@randomperson3934]

????? I thought that was actually Sarah’s aunt, why did it take me this long to realize it was kendaul this whole time 😭😭😭😭😭

[@nanamijoon]

OKAY I AM SEATED

[@jhasty94]

I love that Sarah is high energy in this one. It’s rare to get that from them these days.

[@jacksonsd6]

the fact that this is the longest episode so far lol

[@Dannysworlddd]

Is the aunt voice inspo Joan rivers because I can’t unhear it , it reminds me of the shrek 2 red carpet scene 😌😌😂

[@dorkitori5874]

leaving a review: I love this format and y’all are v funny :)

[@Dannysworlddd]

PLEASE do a video on “narcissistic” KZbinrs hrh onisision frenemies Colleen gabi Hanna etc

[@Picklemick33]

Hey auntie carol baby!!!! Can’t wait to hear her 15 important-to-the-story side notes leading up her very hot take on this weeks topic😇

[@ryanpooley]

Love kendals hair in this episode!

[@AnhNguyen-so1ze]

51:36 I believe you are talking about Bobby Burns. His video actually talked about how Shane manipulate his audience. Shane brought him onto his channel, to his fans who hated Bobby. Bobby career never recovered

[@Dannysworlddd]

The skits are my favorite omg

[@heyitsbrandon733]

I’m so curious to see their take on the colleen situation 😅

[@paige5572]

probably the same as everyone else

[@Poohbear5560]

love you guys!! Glad you’re feeling better this episode Sarah! Hope you enjoyed your trip Kendahl! 😊😊

[@Dannysworlddd]

“Sure I heard this before how much you gonna pay me “💀

[@momac1871]

FIVE STARS! Kendahl is funny

[@sierrasebring5144]

I used to watch a lot of shane after his racist skits so I didn't know about them, but when I saw D'Angelo Wallace's video I immediately unsubscribed and have told youtube everytime I see anything of his that I am not interested and not to show me his stuff. I am sure other people did similarly. The algorithm isn't screwing him. There are just more people who stand against monsters like him than he thinks there is. Edit: I love your guy's show so much, but when the ads become longer than 5 minutes at a time, I am absolutely skipping them. I just want you to know that there are people like me who would listen to the whole ad if it was a reasonable length, but I won't be listening that long. Love what you guys do! Do what works for you, just wanted to make sure you guys knew what can happen in case that is a factor for you guys.

[@Dannysworlddd]

The “Jeffree house tour “ was conveniently filmed right before Jeffreesold his mansion, I think it was just to help with listings literally

[@heathenised]

since sarah said they used to watch mostly smosh... i really wanna know what they think of anthony being back and them starting "classic" duo smosh sketches again :)

[@Starscream2428]

Love this episode! Still havent figured out what BCC stands for :/ what am I missing?

[@jameswarden5312]

they explained it in a different episode (i was also confused). so in sending an email you have the option to CC someone, or BCC someone. when you CC someone, both members of the original email chain can see that, but if one party BCCs someone it's private. i hope i explained this well, i still don't fully understand it myself LOL

[@mckennaaloisio5989]

“blind carbon copy”. what james said is right. in a business/professional setting, it’s commonly used to email a mass group of people without exposing the email addresses to all recipients. kinda like “to all employees” at work. but in a “millennial” fashion, its become more of a way to be like petty or sneaky between friends. for example, you’d bcc your coworker on an email that y’all could laugh about later without the original recipient knowing. i hope that makes sense 😂 i’m only 27, but even trying to explain it makes me feel really old lol

[@TEEHEE0069]

when I tell you I still quote sarahs vines

[@Plantantpebble]

34:45-36:00 brings me so much joy

[@guwuega8010]

Tana said on H3 Pod recently that she still loves Shane. he’s like her stand-in Dad to her. but she recognizes the bad things he’s done, but she can’t discount the things he’s done for her. i feel bad for her in a way because she was a lot younger and troubled, and she made mistakes. it’s hard for me to hate her idk. i hope she works toward actually making reparations for her mistakes.

[@aspannas]

Tana was groomed. The video of her literally peeing on him will never leave my mind.

[@cactivendetta5507]

She NEEDS to work on that in therapy but she doesn't see it as a problem. That's what grooming is. I wish her friends would convince her more

[@ceciliastyles599]

Stoppp I loved the video of Shane, Morgan, Andrew, and garret going to Texas!!! honestly mostly for garret

[@rayna8544]

The singing comedian I enjoy(ed in high school ages ago) is Stephen Lynch

[@Emmysn0w]

Not being able to bend my wrist helped me learn I have tendinitis

[@rayna8544]

Long time viewer, first time commenter. Kendahl, how do you not have stacks of Lactaids in your kitchen, purse, and car??? I am lactose intolerant and avoid dairy in general but c’mon, cheese is good. Buy some lactaid pills at the CVS, not the chewables.

[@ennamae3287]

you guys forgot to list shane's most prominent acting role! he played rumplestiltskin in shrek 3, fun fact, he was the only live action talent! hope this helps❤

[@ItsTorple]

1:39:11 I’m cryingggg 😂 another great interview as always lmao

[@moeneet7069]

When I was 14 my favorite KZbinrs were Kassem G and Nice Peter. Kassem G did a lot of comedy interviews and mmm looking back yeahhhh there was a bit of misogyny there he would make a lot of creepy jokes about women, but he also did a lot of interviews with pornstars where I got to know pornstars a bit more on a personal level which was pretty rare back then, and despite again misogyny jokes here and there, Kassem would usually make himself the butt of the joke, and he actually asked the pornstars random humanizing questions like what are your thoughts on cats or what is your favorite flavor of gum or something. Nice Peter was just a silly comedian guitar player he was the first adult that showed me you can be successful and be a kind, artsy, loving person. As a neglected misogynist boy it was a weirdly life changing thing for me to learn from those guys.

[@jsanto210]

God Sarah is so pretty

[@AdeliaCreates]

Tbh tho I would buy a Sarah nd Kendhl or BCC email themed limited makeup drop where like half the profits went ro like the Trevor Project or It gets better campaign etc.

[@hunter._.7131]

😂 I thought aunt Carol was a real person lmao

[@xlaurenxsmithx]

I would have such a hard time talking to Sarah because my special interest is the internet. So nothing like talking shop when you’re not working 😂

[@nettlesap]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 5 stars Kendahl *is* funny

[@kirestinbell258]

Are aunt carol and Kendall the same person? This is the first episode of this podcast I’ve seen lmaooo

[@davidking8744]

I will say, if you go to enjoy slam poetry seriously, it's really something else, I do slam poetry and I also find some of it funny some is not funny at all, some people do slam comedy!! But I will say the poem "somewhere in America" ruined my life in the most "wow I live in America" way possible 😭 idk I've laughed and cried at performances slam poetry is a fun community

[@spongedan13]

The aunt 💀

[@glrbuildersinc.8666]

29:55 only musical comedy I thought was funny ever was the old lil Duval remix to musiq soul child “just friends”.

[@YoshiMochi13]

Can anybody tell what Sarah said in the bleeped bit?

[@FTH1723]

joff wasn't not the og myspace star tila tequila was! lol she's definitely not well these days through. she was doing a business model similar to OF back in like 2004. Internet history is fascinating. sometimes I wonder where she would've gone with how much success she found early on if she had gotten help earlier for her mental health..

[@8infinite8possiblities8]

A lot of people prefer short form content over long videos and that is how people don’t get views….I still watch long vids though 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@Hellokittycore737]

I feel the typical Shane Dawson fan looks like an adult who never got over their middle school/ high school years. They still have the same lame humor, and probably still haven’t gone to therapy for the bullying they faced then and now think bullying Gen Z online makes them cool and edgy

[@thechandman11]

In addition to those great points about his underlying psychology in the midst of the drama, there was also the very clear feeling of this all being a cash grab. Shane knew eyes were on him and wanted to squeeze every penny he could out of the situation and people didn't like that naked ambition.

[@Faith-ep]

Shane’s friends, drew monson, Garrett watts, Andrew, are great. Their content is so good. They’ve never spoken about Shane. Very adult actions on their part I LOVE them. So glad I was introduced to them but Shane can suck a fat one. I hope his kids are safe and happy

[@Mariisssssa]

kendall is funny

[@beeaunghka]

I’m Sarah’s aunts biggest fan

[@abigailhamik4264]

Omigod Sarah, I am so glad you are so relatable because I think you are so funny and awesome and gorgeous and I didn't know y'all were both gay and I love this podcast and thanks for being hilarious and amazing girlies!!!!

[@loune3799]

Huge fan of stand-up (and comedy in general), NOT a fan of musical comedy. I feel seen.

[@christinehanner129]

50+ representing

[@makmitchelll]

What does BCC stand for

[@electricelmaha4033]

Sarah I fucking love you, if I ever see you, I will come up and ramble about The Owl House and the canceling of it regarding queer representation :)

[@kayteebarga9694]

He hadn't made his career trying to be an asshole? Honey all his controversial stuff was before you loved him. They did so much research but how did they miss that part? You loved him when he had already shown his racist side.

[@kayteebarga9694]

I'm talking about at like 1:12

[@alyssiamarie75]

god this is so crazy. I can't believe people and even more so brands still support this awful human. If i hear one more influencer saying "im being shadow banned" ugh get over yourself.

[@ambercrystal4562]

Yea if you're going to talk about shane talk about Colleen almost everyone on KZbin in those days made the same bad videos but also people do evolve and change. I want Jenna back she didn't deserve to be canceled

[@bunnyfabuloso6948]

Jenna wasn’t cancelled? She canceled herself by deciding she didnt want to make content anymore. I miss her too tho so i feel u

[@oscarkamala]

jenna wasn’t cancelled lol, she held herself accountable and left as she should

[@sweetembrace6706]

jenna wasn't cancelled oh my GOD do you ever get tired of victimizing her? she left because yall wouldnt AND STILL WONT leave her the hell alone

[@ambercrystal4562]

She left the internet because there was so many people commenting hate comments because of old videos she made in the past she chose to leave but it was caused by hateful people