Many Charismatics and Pentecostals Are WRONG On This! | Church Gone Wild #21

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THE BEAT by Allen Parr

THE BEAT by Allen Parr

Күн бұрын

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@jobee1
@jobee1 Жыл бұрын
I was raised in a Pentecostal church, my grandmother spoke in tongues, she was an incredible woman but I remember when I was a teen our church was trying to get all the teens to speak in tongues. They would tell us to just pray and start uttering gibberish and the Holy Spirit will take over. Most of us could not accomplish this and we were told that we just weren’t “filled with the Holy Spirit” and we needed to be filled with the Holy Spirit. This troubled me greatly as I felt disconnected from God. I left that church once I became an adult and found one I felt was connecting me with Jesus Christ and his teachings, a bible based teaching church. My family chastised me terribly for “leaving the faith”. I tried to explain that I was still faithful to Christ and his teachings, just not in their church but they never forgave me for “abandoning” the church. Are we now worshipping the church over Jesus Christ himself? This has left me wondering if I was raised in a cult.
@christinyouchurch2798
@christinyouchurch2798 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I used to believe that Pentecostal tradition of man that you had to be filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues was the evidence that you have the Holy Ghost dwelling in you). I came to realize that yes I was in a cult… it was not a church but an Authoritarian cult. I would not be surprised if you were in one too. ❤
@abeg7107
@abeg7107 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you were able to leave that organization and find a church that really connects you to God.
@Toby__Rose
@Toby__Rose Жыл бұрын
Hey guys I'm sorry for your bad experiences but do you guys pursue spiritual gifts? Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. I Corinthians 14:1‭-‬2 NKJV
@abeg7107
@abeg7107 Жыл бұрын
@@Toby__Rose Well, just as the verse tells us, pursue love(agape) and desire spiritual gifts, not pursue spiritual gifts. We know we can only have one spiritual gift, 1 Cor. 12:7-12. We also know the spiritual gift the apostles had, such as tongues, will cease 1 Cor. 13:8-10.
@Toby__Rose
@Toby__Rose Жыл бұрын
@Abe g it still says desire which is pretty clear for me. Same goes with knowledge that will cease. Has it ceased?
@Panwere36
@Panwere36 Жыл бұрын
Unless there is interpretation, tongues are to be kept to oneself.
@CODinformant1174
@CODinformant1174 3 ай бұрын
See if everyone practiced this, we wouldn’t have to worry about this
@logangaddis7778
@logangaddis7778 Ай бұрын
@@CODinformant1174 this is not true. Read Acts chapter 2. One of multiple references of speaking in tongues without an interpreter. The scripture being referenced to only speaking in tongues with an interpreter is talking about the gift of tongues and interpretation. Not the in dwelling of the Holy Ghost. Two separate experiences!
@simonamigdonia1
@simonamigdonia1 10 күн бұрын
Crazy , there is not example of this prayer tounge in the bible stop letting the leaders tell u what the bible thinks and read the bible for ur self
@logangaddis7778
@logangaddis7778 10 күн бұрын
@@simonamigdonia1 what? Acts 2, 10, and 19 and references in Corinthians and other epistles. Maybe read it?
@thomasb8700
@thomasb8700 2 жыл бұрын
I was raised in a Pentecostal church. About a year ago I started praying to God that if he exists he may reveal himself to me so that I can truly believe. I prayed like that because I didn't feel convinced of our church and I was getting older and thinking seriously about my religion and if it is really true. I continued to go to church but because of my doubts still praying every night that God may reveal himself and convince me that he really is present in our church. 4-5 months passed and I was at church as usual. Listening to the sermon when the preacher looked and me and through the holy spirit prophesied to me my deepest prayer and doubts word for word. I never talked to anyone about my doubts. Just me and God knew. Because the holy spirit spoke to me so personally and encouraged me that God listened to my prayers I was saved in that day. In his grace God has made me a new person with a TRUE and REAL DESIRE to serve him and obey him. Before I was reborn keeping a Christian life was not satisfying but now I love learning about God and what he did on the cross I have a purpose and every day I see his love and patience. Don't limit what the holy spirit can do through us humans. God bless everyone who is reading this.
@IlenElla
@IlenElla 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@godlygirls62
@godlygirls62 2 жыл бұрын
Your experience is very possible
@victoryhouse1446
@victoryhouse1446 2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother. You are truly born again. There are not many of us here.
@rosemarietolentino3218
@rosemarietolentino3218 2 жыл бұрын
Study your Bible Psalm 1.
@maryadams1331
@maryadams1331 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@EleazarCed
@EleazarCed 2 жыл бұрын
I am a pentecostal, been it all my life. I don't understand why we (Pentecostals) can't get it right when the Bible says that we cannot speak tongues out loud unless there is an interpreter present because people will think that we are drunk/crazy! And most churches like this follow pentecostal teachings religiously with no apparent independent study. I call myself a believer until circumstances force me to identify with a group because some people can't have it without a name (generally it is those same religious people I mentioned). To make matters worst, there are pentecostal zealots who equate speaking in tongues with salvation, and what a lie of the devil this is.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
On the day of Pentecost it was also thought that they were drunk 🤷🏻‍♀️
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 9 күн бұрын
@@simonamigdonia1 The day of pentacost was the only time it says the people heard the tongues in their own languages. Tongues is also in the form of tongues and interpretation in a service and then also a supernatural, personal prayer language. Question: how would you know what happens in 99% of pentacostal churches? Do you attend them regularly? You certainly can't go by these anti-pentacostal self proclaimed heresy hunters. They try and make it look like all pentacostals are weird and crazy. Far from the truth. It's so deceptive.
@brian_b_music
@brian_b_music 2 жыл бұрын
I went to a church where the pastor was always trying to force a move of the spirit. He would say things from the pulpit like, “I can have church all by myself” or I’m gonna get what God has for me.” It was sad because new converts were leaving just as fast as they came in. Because there was no discipleship. This church is very small today. It makes me sad because a lot of members tried to reach out and help. Everyone of us were rejected by the leadership. Who took the offers to help as “trying to take over their church”.
@FutureNotFixed
@FutureNotFixed 2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean by force a move of the spirit? God has given conditions upon which to have revival. God is not going to force a move of you. You are not forcing a move of His Spirit by preparing your heart according to the condition of revival so that it is FIT to receive the seed.
@MSLILLY4533
@MSLILLY4533 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you totally. I had a friend we are no longer speaking because I have a different belief about speaking in tongues. She told me that I have to have the gift of tongues I disagreed and told her that I believe God didn't intend for every believer to have the same gifts and she stopped speaking to me.
@rubenvandermerwe3560
@rubenvandermerwe3560 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It literally says in the scripture that not everyone has the same gifts
@annabellepepper3319
@annabellepepper3319 2 жыл бұрын
Did he not say he has not come to bring "peace" but a "sword". In this sense the Lord makes the divisions clear as the word cuts like a 2 edged sword leaving no doubt what is right and what is wrong. Its a hard road but the word is precise and clinical and in the moment there is pain. But the Lord brings healing after. Sorry to hear of you parting ways. Glory be to God and may he reign forever!!!
@alejandrogaricia2252
@alejandrogaricia2252 2 жыл бұрын
That's because she doesn't read her bible
@ramoncarrasquillo6437
@ramoncarrasquillo6437 2 жыл бұрын
If the Holy Spirit has ever directed you to witness to someone including this friend you mentioned then you were speaking in tongues. It just happens it was in English. Your friend doesn't understand scripture concerning tongues. The point of speaking in tongues was because the disciples were going into foreign lands. If your friend speaks in tongues then what is she doing in this country. She needs find out what language she is speaking because Holy Spirit is orderly. If she speaks tongues in an Angelic language in church then according to Paul the church should be silent and the Holy Spirit will have an interpreter translate the Lord's message but that would be counter productive. What would be the point of having a pastor and that's why you'll never find a video recording of this.
@PeaceBeStill-
@PeaceBeStill- 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramoncarrasquillo6437 Good breakdown.
@nithincastelino4157
@nithincastelino4157 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a tongue talking Pentecostal evangelical , I speak in tongues everyday & I absolutely agree with you. Tongues are predominantly for personal edification or it has to be interpreted if used in a service. It’s not meant to be a tool to massage our pride. Many churches today have the same problem that the Corinthian church had as well. Everything has to be balanced and done in an orderly manner which is by the way the intent of this chapter. Often times it drives people away who are looking out for some encouragement.
@nightowl16201
@nightowl16201 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, agree with you.
@billevans8603
@billevans8603 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know the difference between tongues as a prayer language and being used as prophecy? It doesn't appear that you've had this experience or understand the difference. Do you know that tongue sent interpretation is actually prophecy? Do you understand how that differs from your prayer language? You've probably been in a church where you haven't experienced that proper balance
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
When you had your tongues interpreted, what language was it?
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
@@billevans8603 There is only one type of tongues. There is no such thing as a "prayer language."
@billevans8603
@billevans8603 2 жыл бұрын
@@thejohnmarkproject it appears you have no Revelation in this area. You need to dig a little further. Ask God to show you if you're missing it. At least showing him your openness to learn.
@edemvyper5466
@edemvyper5466 Жыл бұрын
I invited a friend and his girlfriend to my church (Muslim); all was going well until prayer time when the leader said lets all begin to pray in tongues. After the prayers, my guests just walked out. Later I asked them why they left...they said they were confused by what was going on and couldn't relate. So it made me study this further in the Bible and lo and behold, Paul basically said we should do the opposite when we come together. So brother Allen, I think you are spot on!
@robertcain3426
@robertcain3426 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Paul was admonishing the church at Corinth for all speaking in tongues when gathered together as a church. Some pastors are still not understanding what Paul was saying.
@havabird2772
@havabird2772 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo, brother!
@fredr7217
@fredr7217 2 жыл бұрын
One day I had to go to court and the judge dismissed my ticket. I was really joyful! As I was driving out of court the Holy Spirit gave me a scripture and told me that there would be a tongue, and I was to interpret with that scripture. I didn’t want to do it. I’m a bit shy. The Spirit even indicated “when” in the service the tongue would occur. Sure enough, boom, the tongue came and I interpreted it. It was very short out of psalm 2. It was the only time I ever did that because I knew it was led by God.
@frick6946
@frick6946 Жыл бұрын
I know, I use to be scared when God would give me a message. He would lay it on my heart before the service , usually earlier in the week. I always desired there would be a person who spoke in tongues first, because people would know there was a message to follow. But in the Bible it also speaks of just speaking out in English with a prophetic message ( with no tongues first), but I always wanted the tongues first to alert people to know there was a message in English. It is not as scary that way.
@frick6946
@frick6946 Жыл бұрын
@Rebuking The Church I disagree; it is in the Bible and it is real and from God.
@geniuszeal205
@geniuszeal205 4 ай бұрын
All Pentecostal churches are false! You better ask God to show you if that is true! Share this!
@daligalindez3159
@daligalindez3159 Жыл бұрын
I grow up in pentecostal church and all this time I think something is not right...I leave eventually...thanks God
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe.
@newcreationinchrist1423
@newcreationinchrist1423 2 жыл бұрын
It's always been my understanding that if there is tongues that happen in a church setting that an interpretation should follow. I've heard people in my church just praying out loud in tongues and it does bother me because there is often times no interpretation so I believe these people that are doing this are acting in their flesh.
@JDH_MUSIC
@JDH_MUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's just the thing - the Kenneth Hagin video example he used was tongues and interpretation because Hagin never spoke in tongues in church without interpreting it.
@Disciple-ofChrist
@Disciple-ofChrist 2 жыл бұрын
There is also the private prayer language
@patricispowers4123
@patricispowers4123 2 жыл бұрын
You can't dictate or tell the Holy Spirit how to move, when Kenneth Hagin spoke in tongues he also can interpret. Walk softly, my brother, except you get in trouble telling people God can only move the way you say how he moves. While I agreed to some things I have seen God move and people set free. I have seen unbelievers come in these services got saved, delivered, healed, and set free. By the way I am not Charismatic or Penecostal. We aren't even close to the miracles, healing or souls being saved in America as formerly experienced. We swing from fat left to far right. We see a ministry or church get off or not 100% right and we bury them. Brethren, please stop this. If this is not a heaven or hell issue, stop doing what the world does, killing one another.
@geoffreychikomba6607
@geoffreychikomba6607 2 жыл бұрын
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Ac 2:4 NKJV
@geoffreychikomba6607
@geoffreychikomba6607 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDH_MUSIC 👍💯
@kac16006
@kac16006 Жыл бұрын
YES! So good!!! I’ve never understood how this is so misconstrued!
@erniemorones3585
@erniemorones3585 2 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that man would play with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, breaks my heart..
@stevenepstein6454
@stevenepstein6454 10 ай бұрын
Pentecostal all my life, never seen this at this level but yes, basically all pastors speak in tongues a little during service. As a real born-again Christian I now read the bible and I'm starting to question how they're going about it.
@FaithRefinedByFire
@FaithRefinedByFire Жыл бұрын
I was born into a family that attended a Pentecostal word of faith church. Kenneth Copeland was my dad's favorite pastor. Thank the Lord I joined a solid Bible-based church as an adult. My church closed last year, and I visited a Pentecostal church a couple of times, where I attended their Bible study on a Wednesday when they happened to be teaching about the Holy Spirit. In the middle of the Bible study, a woman said that one time she asked for prayer and the person she asked to pray said that she "had the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit told her not to pray for her because she needed to go through what she was going through." The girl really thought that being denied prayer was what she had needed and no one in the study said anything to object. Having already heard about a half an hour of Holy Ghost teaching from charismatics, I couldn't hold back my own objections when it came to the Holy Spirit supposedly telling someone not to pray and the whole class going along with it. Could it have been the Spirit within me that made me stand up, say "This is crazy! The Holy Spirit doesn't tell you NOT to pray for someone" and walk out, never to return? Lol. I'm saddened by the fact my own father still follows word of faith teachings, but all I can do is pray for him.
@geniuszeal205
@geniuszeal205 4 ай бұрын
All Pentecostal churches are false! You better ask God to show you if that is true! Share this!
@artiebeebe341
@artiebeebe341 2 жыл бұрын
On the day of Pentecost in the upper room! The folks thought they were drunk or crazy....Peter said this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel...just call me crazy but filled with God
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I often have to remind the religious of that.
@chargreen9940
@chargreen9940 Жыл бұрын
I have come to understand that "praying in the spirit" and "speaking in tongues" are two very different things and we get them confused so very often. Praying in the Spirit is something we can all do. In fact we are called to pray in the Spirit. Tongues is a spiritual gift and I want to echo another person's comment, not ALL people have that gift. There are many different gifts.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I have to explain this to these people so much. Seems none of them get it.
@princetonking30
@princetonking30 Жыл бұрын
This is great teaching right here.
@kellymurphy2471
@kellymurphy2471 Жыл бұрын
I have only this to say. I was born and raised in a southern Baptist Church. From the time I was young, I had spiritual gifts. I never understood them and some people even called it evil. But God lead me to a penicostal church. And it was their that Lord showed me that my spiritual gifts were from him and not evil. God spoke to me and said: When I sent my son into this world, (I) gave gifts to the apostle's. If they needed them then, then they are needed now, for a time will come when the world become much worse and you are going to need them. That was over 35 years ago when I was lead to that church and as I look back, I see God's hands in everything that he has been preparing me for. For we fight not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. And the only way to fight against spiritual wickedness is by Gifted Spiritual Righteousness. Using the Spiritual gifts given to us. Spiritual Armor, approved by Jesus, Ordained by God, and manifested by the Holy Spirit. Unspiritual people Can Not understand the Spiritual mysteries of God. Because God Will Not reveal them to unspiritual people... He designed it that way, for His purpose..
@maureentuohy8672
@maureentuohy8672 2 жыл бұрын
I completely believe that the gifts of the Spirit are for now. But there must be order in the Church. If tongues are used in a worship service there must be interpretation. Tongues are for worship and praise! Not to preach a sermon.
@FutureNotFixed
@FutureNotFixed 2 жыл бұрын
it is not that you must choose between cessationism and pentecostalism. Both are wrong if you examine the text really really carefully. Funny how people keep using the word 'tongues'. They like an old English word because 'languages' creates a problem. Imagine how impressive it is to say you speak in languages, instead of tongues. Sister and brother so and so will look at you funny.
@sphinx9517
@sphinx9517 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how to describe it but when someone is legit speaking in tongues and an interpretation is given, there is a indescribable hush that falls on the church and it’s heavy. It’s crazy!!
@ModernPeopleAreEvil
@ModernPeopleAreEvil Жыл бұрын
😮😮😮 I am just learning that speaking in the tongues can be translated 🤯🤯🤯 my ENTIRE life I thought it was gibberish only God can understand. The last church I went was legit forcing me to speak in tongues saying I am still holding on and not letting the spirit take over, they ALWAYS input speaking in tongues in the middle of a sentence when it seem to me they didn’t have a word with what they were trying to explain. I knew it was made up and they were lying to themselves. It was also a church ran by women, I ran faaast away. They were a lot of things I didn’t like about that church, and the more I grew into faith i relaize they were wrong in their practice and they uneasy thing I was feeling that something was not right was correct. I felt that I was new to church and could have easily bought into it. I now started going to a church that is truly rooted in the Bible, I got baptized last Sunday 😊
@stevenbell1378
@stevenbell1378 Жыл бұрын
VERY VERY TRUE!!!! I've experienced that the same way you just said it. It was orderly and shifted to the interpretator as the Lord took her voice over the one accord of the tongues that was taking place in the Church and the ones speaking in tongues came down orderly and was subject to the interpretation then the Preacher Preached. I saw it like the Scripture explained
@justmedarlin
@justmedarlin Жыл бұрын
My experience exactly! Goodbye to that church and good riddance. They are insistent in their own carnal, ignorant, proud, disobedience of God's word, despite the clarity of the written scripture. I'm so glad you got away from them as I did.
@tam4givin
@tam4givin Жыл бұрын
What language was it?
@aliMS137
@aliMS137 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a Christian for 20 years. I’ve been part of many churches due to constantly moving and I’ve never witnessed interpretation of tongues…ever! That is extremely rare!
@cebisilemabaso8445
@cebisilemabaso8445 Жыл бұрын
I once went to a church like this. I don't remember the name or the kind of church was. Was a first year in university and looking for a church. A senior guy invited us to church. The entire service was in young. Even the preaching. Didn't hear a thing. After the service they invited those who were new and did not know how to speak in Youngs. We were then taken to a separate room. They said we need to learn to speak in toungs. Just close our eyes and start saying the thing that comes to mind. Even though we do not know what we are saying.
@jamespaul4564
@jamespaul4564 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm from India. I'm in such charismatic church. Sadly I am also the assistant pastor of the church. I'm trying my best to stick with the church to bring people out from such mode of practice.
@christclinger6540
@christclinger6540 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t know how you can read scripture and gather that speaking in tongues is babble. The Bible is very clear on what the gift of tongues was
@MrFunkdaddyfresh
@MrFunkdaddyfresh 2 жыл бұрын
We actually stopped going to a church like that because the pastor was straight up telling everyone if they didn’t speak in tongues they didn’t have the Holy Ghost in them.
@josephmartinez2067
@josephmartinez2067 Жыл бұрын
But that’s biblical
@MrFunkdaddyfresh
@MrFunkdaddyfresh Жыл бұрын
@@josephmartinez2067 no it’s not.
@MrFunkdaddyfresh
@MrFunkdaddyfresh Жыл бұрын
@@josephmartinez2067 what verse in the Bible says that if you don’t speak in tongues you don’t have the Holy Ghost in you?
@michaelalbertson7457
@michaelalbertson7457 Жыл бұрын
If you don't speak in tongues, you DON'T have the GIFT of the Holy Ghost in you. Paul said not all speak in tongues, and he wrote the letter to a church of believers. If those believers who didn't speak in tongues, were not saved, Paul would have said so. If you read Acts 5:33b, it reads "...and so also is the HOLY GHOST Whom God has GIVEN to THEM that OBEY Him." So we see, there is the Holy Ghost, given at salvation for obedience to God's call to them, and the GIFT of the Holy Ghost, given in tongues. Also, when we continue to obey God, it shows we have the Holy Ghost. God does not give the Holy Ghost to them that don't obey Him. They stop obeying God, the Holy Ghost leaves. Pray and then obey, He will come back to you. The Holy Ghost manifested in salvation, and then manifested in the gift.
@MrFunkdaddyfresh
@MrFunkdaddyfresh Жыл бұрын
@@michaelalbertson7457 so are you saying all the Christians in the world who truly believe in God that Don’t speak in tongues are pretty much going to hell? Cause your still not proving a point. There’s no verse in the Bible that says if you don’t speak in tongues you don’t have the Holy Ghost in you. The Bible says the Holy Ghost gives many gifts. And that not all will receive the gift of tongues. That doesn’t mean that those that don’t,don’t have the Holy Ghost in them.
@laurann5976
@laurann5976 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a new Christian, about 30 years ago, my husband and I went to a charismatic church. A couple there took us to Pizza Hut one Sunday after church to “get us speaking in tongues”. The man sat across from me and began speaking in tongues then pointed to me and said “go!” I sat there awkwardly and said “I just can’t do it, I feel like I’m making it up”. And he said “well…you are making it up”. That made my mind up about tongues early on.
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
So can you speak it now? Or you decided not to?
@PeaceBeStill-
@PeaceBeStill- 2 жыл бұрын
Wow 😳
@laurann5976
@laurann5976 2 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulisyoursmile3955 I don’t speak in tongues.
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
@@laurann5976 same
@kevinskurat9196
@kevinskurat9196 2 жыл бұрын
Wow...just wow. Not much more can be said, is there?
@jeffconnolly1641
@jeffconnolly1641 Жыл бұрын
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
@amerphillips
@amerphillips Жыл бұрын
You just cant stop the Holy Spirit when you have spiritual utterance in tongues while preaching. Such prompting is with the Spirit. Must be prayer or rebuke against the devil but it helps. Such interventions result in powerful services ive ever experienced
@joycewatt800
@joycewatt800 2 жыл бұрын
This gives me confirmation and sound doctrinal truth as for one of the reasons I feel in my spirit it’s time to leave my church. Thank you for expounding on this topic. It’s much needed.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Please don’t be duped by these religious guys on KZbin. A spirit filled church that doesn’t deny the power of God is what is right
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@alonzomorris3420
@alonzomorris3420 2 жыл бұрын
This is Soo true, I grew up in church and am now a local Pastor. A few years ago I went to a midday service , and the majority of ppl in the service went off in tongues, I felt so out of place and never went back . I wasn't edified and there was no interpretation, on left feeling isolated. This needs to stop within the church across the board.
@jessahalmadin4505
@jessahalmadin4505 2 жыл бұрын
That's why a gift of interpretation of tongues is needed in church services. Otherwise, unbelievers will just think of us as fools and crazy, cause no one's interpreting it. 😔
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
According to scripture, in a church service tongue speaking is to be one person at a time and must then have an interpretation given.
@daniell9268
@daniell9268 Жыл бұрын
maybe you should listen to God then you'd feel comportable with that church. The church doesn't need to change because you feel uncomfortable. You FEEL doesn't make it unbiblical. If you read the Bible that's when God uses people when they are uncomfortable. I feel bad for your church
@daniell9268
@daniell9268 Жыл бұрын
@@jessahalmadin4505 Bet you'd call David crazy and a fool because you don't understand
@gtolose
@gtolose Жыл бұрын
​@@daniell9268 1 at a time, with interpretation. Period. Next subject. 1 Corinthians 14:27. Why do we waste time on subjects settled thousands of years ago.
@PatrickMartinez1
@PatrickMartinez1 2 жыл бұрын
I said this last time, but as a man who only prays in the spirit (tongues) alone in my prayer closet, I thank you Brother Allen for calling out this cringe for what it is: false spirituality. I can't stand this nonsense in church and I have left services where this is going on. I really enjoy your unbiased study of the text, just seeking after God's wisdom and whatever He wants to teach us. Great work.
@danielkim672
@danielkim672 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear you have the true gift of speaking in tongues. I cant believe hundreds and sometimes thousands of people will continue to stand/sit there and come back for more with the false speaking in the spirit with tongues is going on. just really sad to see.
@patriceitsme6510
@patriceitsme6510 2 жыл бұрын
What I have found is we all try to determine what the HOLY SPIRIT is doing and we don't. Let God reveal to you what he wants to so through you. Americans are the worst in believing what the HOLY SPIRIT moves can be in this day and age.
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
***1 Corinthians 14:14 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
@danielkim672
@danielkim672 2 жыл бұрын
@@patriceitsme6510 What do you mean 'in this day and age'? What is different today than 4 thousand years ago, than 2 thousand years ago? The problem is people try to determine what the Holy Spirit is doing by themselves, by what they are 'feeling' instead of going to the Word of God to find the truth. As we are warned, not every spirit is from God so there are many that believe they are feeling the Holy Spirit but it is not. Would you disagree with this?
@PatrickMartinez1
@PatrickMartinez1 2 жыл бұрын
@RecTec TV News absolutely
@sheilashabazz
@sheilashabazz Жыл бұрын
Everybody doesn't have this gift. It's a gift of tongues
@LuisPacheco-xf6jk
@LuisPacheco-xf6jk Жыл бұрын
Listen i was raised in a Spanish pentecostals church and i wouldn't change it for a second and to this day iam still praising the lord in my pentecostal church i speak in tongue and dancer in the holy spirit i feel the fire of God in me there's nothing better i cant be in a church thats doesn't have the fire you don't know into God gives that gift the manifestation of the holy spirit there's nothing better Dios los bendiga God bless my people !!!!
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Amen!!!
@dons1177
@dons1177 11 ай бұрын
"I am leaving you with a gift - peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is the gift the world cannot give. So don't be troubled or afraid." Witnessing these things as I grew up in the pentacostal/charismatic church made me very uneasy and afraid, as an adult it caused pain and I felt abandoned by God. Until He gave me this gift, in my most dire of circumstances, at the end of my tether, when I still doubted His love for me, He gave me peace. Peace when I had reason to despair. THIS is the best feeling in the world. I pray everyone received this gift readily. ❤
@chicagogal
@chicagogal 10 ай бұрын
Yikes
@buchrisss
@buchrisss Ай бұрын
Double yikes
@troyjhinkle
@troyjhinkle 2 жыл бұрын
I have experienced many of these types of scenarios growing up in charismatic churches myself. I believe in speaking in tongues, but it must be in order. If someone gives a word in tongues, there has to be an interpretation. Otherwise, it really doesn't do anyone any good. The biggest caution I have with charismatic churches is that many will start operating in the realm of feelings and from a "Word from the Lord" without making sure that what they are "feeling" lines up with scripture. I have experienced speaking in tongues myself, so I believe in that gift, but for me it is my prayer language. Not something that I exercise in public. I have invited people to church before and when they go, it got really nuts and they did think people were crazy. Thanks for the video!
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
The other problem is too many fake tongues, because people don't read the Bible and have no idea what tongues actually is. They say stuff like "It's a heavenly language." Or pushing the idea that anyone can speak in tongues when the Bible is clear that this is not a gift that everyone gets.
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@CountryFriedCreations
@CountryFriedCreations 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in an Assembly of God church. We had people speaking in tongues during worship service. Most of the time long after the service had ended. On those days or nights when nobody left. And we just worshiped. The church would be silent and wait for interpretation, normally from someone else. It was a beautiful thing to be a part of.
@nicholasgeorge7825
@nicholasgeorge7825 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the AofG, being one of the first and the biggest Pentecostal denomination (I believe) is probably very exemplary, and I think most of the so-called "abuses" occur in more congregationalist churches. It helps to have "overseers" which are not the same as elders or pastors, as the Calvinists have declared since IDK when. That the "evidence" of the gift of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues, I believe is a false doctrine. It came from good intentions. The early "apostolic" revivalists like Parham simply asked questions? What was the sign? What did you experience? So many reported breaking out in tongues, that these men of God merely concluded that was evidence. Because scripture rather clearly questions, "Do all speak in tongues?" we get this endless pushback from fundamentalists who are de facto cessationists (believers of the cessation of apostolic sign gifts) if not de jure ones, like the so-called Reformed (Calvinist) crowd. All this is shameful disunity and carnality. Two wrongs don't make a right. Sometimes the answer to "which side is right?" is both (or neither). Thank you for a wise comment. they're too rare. May revelation, joy, peace, mercy, health, prosperity and power in the Gospel abide upon you and your household of faith this holiday and always, according to this amazing promise: "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
@andriadixon9544
@andriadixon9544 2 жыл бұрын
Agree!! I grew up in an AG and that was the same experience.
@michaelalbertson7457
@michaelalbertson7457 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasgeorge7825 I read the first part of your comment only because you spoke in error. The gift of the Holy Spirit is tongues, but is not salvation. Salvation is accepting Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life after believe the gospel, and you receive the Holy Spirit then.
@nicholasgeorge7825
@nicholasgeorge7825 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelalbertson7457 Good brother. Teach it, preach it and live it. May revelation, peace, joy, safety, mercy, good fruits, the graces of the Spirit and the power of the Gospel be with you and your loved ones now and always: "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
@ntlearning
@ntlearning Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasgeorge7825 The Reformed argument of Cessationism is weak. Tongues never ceased because the 1st century were not the "last days."...... That's why cessationist groups are splintering as many of them recognise this is a bad argument, so there are different strands to respond to that.
@classhound2036
@classhound2036 Жыл бұрын
Brother, I love your teaching, which I think is sound. Another point I believe on tongues is that Paul makes it clear that it is primarily for the individual to use on their own for their own edification. In public it should only ever be used when there is an interpreter present.
@michaelalbertson7457
@michaelalbertson7457 2 жыл бұрын
It has always been obvious to me that the command not to speak in tongues for different reasons is for the congregation, but not to the pastor. Yet if a pastor speaks in tongues a long time, I would wonder about that, especially if there will be no interpretation.
@heatherfritz787
@heatherfritz787 2 жыл бұрын
I have been going to an Assemblies of God pentecostal church for six years, and I've never seen a pastor do that.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I’m 58 and I’ve been AG my whole adult life and never had an issue.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! ,,,,Moe
@SpiritLife
@SpiritLife 2 жыл бұрын
As a Charismatic, I appreciate your firm stance on this. Tongues with no interpretation isn't the unpardonable sin, but I agree with you that turning away the lost is a travesty! I think that a private prayer meeting where one might overhear another praying in tongues to themselves is ok but never a leader from the pulpit who is more often than not drawing attention to himself
@emokekeszeg2166
@emokekeszeg2166 2 жыл бұрын
I started going to a charismatic church in September and I've heard people speaking tongues during worship and prayer, but the pastor or leaders that were speaking or praying never (at least so far) did that in tongues
@SpiritLife
@SpiritLife 2 жыл бұрын
@@emokekeszeg2166 technically they could speak tongues on the microphone but there would need to be a translation. I pray in tongues and keep it very secretive because I don't want to be a stumbling block. It seems to really help my connection to the Lord though
@705W1
@705W1 2 жыл бұрын
YES !
@danielkim672
@danielkim672 2 жыл бұрын
@@emokekeszeg2166 People DURING worship speaking in tongues loudly in front of other 'believers', that is not how the Bible, like Allen said in this video, teaches us to speaking tongues. Even if they are truly speaking in tongues, who are they edifying but themselves? Why would the Holy Spirit gift people in this way, to use the gift for their own selfish benefit? Answer is they would not and those people in the church is not really speaking in tongues but making random sounds.
@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus
@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpiritLife that is very selfless of you to not only obey God's order in church but also consider the conscience of others , I comend you my brother or sister in Christ
@AnuUatu
@AnuUatu Жыл бұрын
I’m soooooo glad that I came across this video. It has been plaguing me for decades. I was born and raised in a charismatic church before I even knew what a charismatic church was. I felt forced and fake. What’s more is the trauma I endured due to the intersection of church and family. Very manipulative. It wasn’t until I did my own research that I realized that the whole idea of speaking in tongues was inherently false and that I wasn’t losing my mind in believe we were supposed to be speaking ACTUAL LANGUAGES.
@marieajackson1148
@marieajackson1148 7 ай бұрын
False how??
@albertbinion5984
@albertbinion5984 Жыл бұрын
Good Job Alan
@RPSanAnto
@RPSanAnto Жыл бұрын
Good video and perspective.
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 2 жыл бұрын
While at deer camp a couple weeks ago, I listened to a charismatic preacher on the radio take Paul's admonition about speaking in tounges as an encouragement to desire more to speak in tongues. It is so astonishing how horribly scripture can be taken out-of-context. What today's charismatics have forgotten (or maybe aren't being taught) is that the gift of tongues wasn't simply in the speaking. In Acts 2, all the people there heard Peter speak in their own _native languages_ . In other words, _nobody_ heard him speak an unknown tongue. There is no need for tongues if everyone speaks the same language (1 Cor 14:28).
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@4me2know
@4me2know Жыл бұрын
Great job on this touchy topic Alan! I went to a small group conference at our church where we all came together and went through a series of steps to being ‘baptized in the Spirit’. They made EVERYONE attempt to get their ‘Heavenly Language’. Tapping my chin, I was told I was not trying and trusting hard enough. I babbled awkwardly a few words but it didn’t feel Spirit led. I am a long time Christian, and have read the Bible through and through, and never felt the urge of the Holy Spirit to worship in this way. It felt so FAKE! She dismissed me discouraged that I wasn’t compliant, and said she’d be praying for me… THIS right here is where ‘church hurt’ begins. That dismissal broke my heart. I am very intimately connected with the Holy Spirit, although this made me doubt myself. I strongly believe I don’t need my own ‘Heavenly Language’ to be more connected. And if I did, then the Lord would’ve certainly gave it to me. Thankfully, it never stopped my husband and I from pursuing a church, as church hurt has caused many to stop going all together. We just moved and are still looking for a Bible based church that teaches more about God’s word and less about our secular world. Hard to find these days. But we won’t give up that search. God says we need fellowship. So we will continue our pursuit.
@Stargirllovesstars
@Stargirllovesstars Жыл бұрын
Hi Shey scary to see how much of this is going on, we found a Church by listening to the Word of some good preachers online and guide us over a few bumpy rides until we ended up where we are. Church hurt is real, I don’t think my husband has really recovered; we are still on the journey to being part of the new church family but it wasn’t easy! We’ve all got so many scary stories to tell. When our eyes were opened and we were leaving, I was told to “let my husband go, and stay at the same church” and I was like what? What about submitting to the husband and let alone the fact that I wanted to go as well, very strange churches you have out there, we must remain vigilant. I am eternally grateful for the guidance of the Holy Spirit and how he led us away from lies and deceit to His Truth!
@Daniel-gu8mb
@Daniel-gu8mb Жыл бұрын
Try to find a romanian church.
@acesilver8420
@acesilver8420 Жыл бұрын
The same thing happened to me, I got frustrated when I couldn't speak in tongues as instructed, I felt awkward and conscious at the same time. And started doubting my connection with God and kept asking myself, is "speaking in tongues" the only sign that the Holy Spirit is within us to complete the baptism? Me too is in pursuit of finding one, may the good Lord lead the way. To God be the glory! ❤
@alecferguson1004
@alecferguson1004 2 жыл бұрын
I spoke in tongues once and the Lord told me to look up the translation of what that means and it was a confirmation for what God called me to in that moment. I had no idea what that meant. But that gave me so much hope in Jesus. Don’t ever dismiss what the Holy Spirit can or cannot do. The Holy Spirit has also spoken to me to lead me somewhere before I gave my life to Him. He told me my life would change if I went to church camp. He was right. I gave my life to Christ. If the Holy Spirit does such things, why would He not allow His children to speak to them as well?
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
The point here is in the congregation, there should be someone other than the pastor, able to interpret & confirm what was spoken. If you do, it will be like speaking to yourself while you have to speak in the common language. The bible say the gifts of tongues is for personal edification. But if you received a message for other, then interpret.
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
What language was it, and what what was the translation?
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Keep praying in tongues!
@alecferguson1004
@alecferguson1004 Жыл бұрын
@@tracy8508 thank you! God bless you 🙏🏻
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
@@thejohnmarkproject his heavenly language.
@ChiefCedricJohnson
@ChiefCedricJohnson Жыл бұрын
Proverbs 14:14 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself.
@FutureNotFixed
@FutureNotFixed 2 жыл бұрын
Thus, we can reword it as follows for clarification of meaning: 13 Therefore let him who speaks in an untranslated language pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an untranslated language, my spirit prays, but I am not producing fruit (intelligible speech) as one who is prudent.
@jesusislord3003
@jesusislord3003 2 жыл бұрын
I've just joined a Pentecostal Church. Everybody speaks in tongues, but the main reason I'm not leaving is because I prayed to the Lord IN ENGLISH, to lead me to a church and he sent Pentecostals same day. I believe there's a reason. It's in college also 😝.
@alejandrogaricia2252
@alejandrogaricia2252 2 жыл бұрын
Same happened to me but 6 months later I received full awareness of my Bible so I left to a different church not penecostal.i found a Bible sound church were spiritual abuse doesn't fly
@AbdielRod
@AbdielRod 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they teach sound doctrine! I also go to a Pentecostal church and I wouldn’t change it for the world. Nothing more beautiful than a biblically sound and Spirit filled church ❤
@OceansCindy
@OceansCindy 2 жыл бұрын
@@AbdielRod 100% agree ❤
@jesusislord3003
@jesusislord3003 2 жыл бұрын
@@AbdielRod 💯
@jesusislord3003
@jesusislord3003 2 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrogaricia2252 Let us see what the Lord has to say.
@jonathanbwirukiro3993
@jonathanbwirukiro3993 2 жыл бұрын
This is honestly what I needed. I have been following your videos in this series about speaking in tongues, and this has opened my eyes on how, us Christians, just decide to casually ignore the word of God when it comes to how church services should be led. Honestly, thanks so much for highlighting the word of God on this matter. By the way, I like your shirt, it's pretty cool :)
@commenter5901
@commenter5901 2 жыл бұрын
My husband has the gift of tongues and in the past 25 years, I've only heard him pray in tongues once about 20 years ago, and that was in our own home. It's just a personal thing between him and God and I honestly forget he has that gift because he never talks about it with anyone. The time may come when he feels called to use it publicly, but it's never happened yet.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Plenty of people pray in the spirit as a result of being baptized in the Holy Spirit (which is for every believer). It’s a completely different thing to have the gift of tongues or interpretation in the church.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe.
@armidaleconcrete
@armidaleconcrete Жыл бұрын
Amen, clearly and biblically accurately said. thank you.
@markmiles3738
@markmiles3738 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you brother 💯
@annabellepepper3319
@annabellepepper3319 2 жыл бұрын
This broke my heart 💔 I remember hearing tongues in church for the first time and I was afraid! It was explained to me that this was biblical and a gift of the spirit. Its funny looking back this was the only" gift " that on instinct I was not comfortable with. But I believed that the babbling was from God and a" gift" and dutifully followed the teaching on it. Thank you for sharing this video. In these last days I believe the Lord is calling on us all to worship him in spirit and in truth. God bless you Alan and all those reading this message. 🙏
@mrtapping
@mrtapping 2 жыл бұрын
Same experience ! I received the gift of tongues last week but before receiving the Lord told me that it depends on me. I knew I had to let go all the traumas from the past and do a deep study on my own on this gift (which helps so much in spiritual battles ❤)
@weallwrong
@weallwrong 2 жыл бұрын
I have been in a church that disregarded Paul’s instruction and encouraged a sea of noise from the congregation. At that time in early my walk I allowed them to pray for me to receive the gift of tongues. When nothing was happening I was encouraged to “start speaking baby talk to loosen up my tongue”. I thankful declined. I have visited a main line AoG church where there was a spontaneous tongue from the back of the room. Everyone got quiet. It sounded (from my experience) like an actual language I didn’t recognize and immediately following it there was an interpretation. The interpretation was like a beautiful poetic psalm of praise. No, it didn’t have any new unbiblical doctrine it just left you in awe of God. Once while living in Asia, co-laborers encouraged me to seek the gift for personal prayer time. I asked for it. I felt something well up inside and I merely let it flow from my mouth. Maybe it was just the Holy Spirit’s way of dealing with my skepticism, because I’m a slow talking midwesterner and my lips were moving faster than the micro machine commercial guy. It may have only lasted a few minutes but I was so edified by the reality of how close God is to us who are in Christ Jesus. He has chosen to literally dwell inside us.
@michaelalbertson7457
@michaelalbertson7457 2 жыл бұрын
@@weallwrong Wonderful testimony. You know when it's real. Praise God.
@terrenastroud1137
@terrenastroud1137 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN 🙏❤️
@michaelalbertson7457
@michaelalbertson7457 2 жыл бұрын
Annabelle Pepper, I was not comfortable with tongues when I was encouraged to seek them, but I knew that was my carnal nature that was uncomfortable, as I heard many true Christians speak them and read and heard countless godly testimonies about them. I speak in tongues, not often, for even the Bible says, forbid not to speak in tongues.. Did you know many unbelievers walk into church and they know about tongues? But not all know. God will show the godly preacher what to do concerning that.
@discern_witness
@discern_witness 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Pentecostal / Charismaniac movement and was part of it until just recently (just 3 years ago) with Hillsong and CRC Church in South Africa and I was baptized there. We'd speak in what we thought was tongues, mass slaying in the spirit, spiritual exhubeance and shouting and hype and chaos fills the room. Smoke machines, lights, and staging that will put any major concert to shame. I had no idea how bad it was till God through His loving grace opened my eyes. I came across the teachings of Justin Peters which led me to the teaching of John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, Steven Lawson, Paul Washer, and it's how I found your channel Allan. I went through a period 2 years ago of total confusion about what I thought I knew about Christianity and what Reformed Theology taught. I was following the likes of Steven Furtick, Joel Osteen, Sammy Rodriquez, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince and sad to say even Kenneth Copeland. Praise God for He's faithfulness that He is still saving people out of this chaos and bringing us into thr light so that we can be used to help others. I still have a lot to discover but God is faithful.
@Stargirllovesstars
@Stargirllovesstars Жыл бұрын
Same here @Jonathan it so sad … Thank God for his grace and now we started in a good word preaching family ❤
@4me2know
@4me2know Жыл бұрын
Great share. I love when we can be honest and grow as believers by sharing our experiences. My husband and I also went through this as well (see my comment). We have made faith like a drive thru. Supersized blessings please, but hold the trials. God’s word is challenging and contradicts what the world teaches. I loved the lights, smoke, feel good music, and slaying in the spirit… until the Lord opened my eyes to what was really going on. All the pastors you mentioned are who we listen to now. Along with Spurgeon and RC Sproul and others. In today’s dark world, we need Spirit led biblical truth to armor up.
@discern_witness
@discern_witness Жыл бұрын
@@4me2know Wow amazing. Thank you Lord for your faithfulness that you are still saving true believers out of this charasmania, and God will continue to do so while we pray for Spiritual awakening for these churches. And thank the Lord for the vessels He has used to guide us into His TRUE Word. God bless you and your family as you continue to strive to seek Him first.
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@davidwilkins5932
@davidwilkins5932 Жыл бұрын
I can’t help wondering how many of these people will end up hearing the dread words: “I never knew you.”
@pastorrandy
@pastorrandy Жыл бұрын
When I was in college at Oral Roberts University in the 1970s we had a required class on "The Holy Spirit In The Now". The class was on video from a previous semester when it was taught live by Oral Roberts. The chairman of the Department of Undergraduate Theology, Dr. Howard Ervin, was on the question and answer discussion panel at the end of one of the classes, and this verse came up for discussion. Dr. Ervin explained that in the early church they had two types of meetings - believers meetings that only the baptized believers attended, and other public meetings that anyone could attend. He explained that this verse covered the instance where in a believer's meeting, an unexpected visitor might attend and hear everyone speaking in tongues, and indeed think they were crazy. The reason this question came up was because it was a common practice in early charismatic meetings for the entire congregation to sing harmoniously in tongues as an expression of worship. There weren't so much so-called "messages in tongues" in those days, but there was lots of "singing in the spirit" (singing in tongues). I came from a Classical Pentecostal background (Assemblies of God) and this was totally new to me. Since I was already Pentecostal, I understood what was happening, but I had never actually heard it before I went to ORU. In the case of the ministers you showed here in this video, my personal opinion is that they are all "showboating" - depending on the audiences' ignorance of Scripture to make themselves look spiritually superior, as if they have a special direct line to God that no one else present has, thus propping up their perceived authority. I think the key to all of this is found in 1 Cor. 14:2, "For he who speaks in a tongue, speaks not unto men but unto God, for no man understandeth him, he utters mysteries with his spirit." Two fundamental things I get from this verse are - 1. Tongues are spoken to God, not to man (even in a public meeting). 2. Tongues are communicating with God with our spirit, rather than with our minds. Why is this valuable and important? It is important because we are spirit-beings, with a soul, living in a body; and there is a real spiritual realm that exists right alongside our natural realm, and we need to learn how to communicate with God spirit-to-Spirit, rather than soul-to-Spirit. We were created to have direct fellowship and intimate communication with God, and the manifestation (its not a gift, its a manifestation) of tongues enables us to communicate with God through our spirit, bypassing the limitations and prejudices of our human minds that still need to be renewed. When I was pastoring, I would often pray in tongues when I was praying with people at an altar, however, I always took the microphone away from my mouth whenever I did so, because I understood that tongues were not to men but to God. I remember Evelyn Roberts testifying one time of having a friend in the Methodist Church who was talking to her about tongues. The friend asked Evelyn if she could speak in tongues right then and there. Evelyn replied, "I could, but I won't, because tongues are not meant for public display but for communicating with God." What I can't understand is why people never seem to get the point that tongues are simply a communication tool using your spirit to speak rather than using your mind. I've often taught in 40 years of ministry that the only difference between praying in tongues and praying in your native language is the source of the vocabulary. When you pray in your native language, you pray with words stored up in your mind. When you pray in tongues, you pray with words provided to you by the Holy Spirit. That is the only difference between praying in tongues and praying in your native language.
@landonbudke7266
@landonbudke7266 Жыл бұрын
Heard a story about a man who had graduated from my Bible college who recited the Lord’s Prayer at a Pentecostal church in Biblical Greek. The interpreter butchered the actual meaning.
@mattnordsell9760
@mattnordsell9760 Жыл бұрын
I used to be part of the word of faith prosperity gospel before GOD removed me from it when He removed me from the church I used to attend and sent me to where I'm at now. He removed me back in the fall of 2014 from the false teaching of the word of faith prosperity gospel.
@moneymastery4her54
@moneymastery4her54 2 жыл бұрын
I am really enjoying your Church gone wild series. Thank you for the time you are putting in and always put in to bring God’s Word.
@Purpleflower7777
@Purpleflower7777 2 жыл бұрын
Although I’m a follower of God i would not go back to that church.
@arnefl5549
@arnefl5549 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN to this! For quite some time I've become so disillusioned over this and some other unhealthy practices in the charismatic movement, that it has brought me to the brink of becoming a cessationist again (I was brought up as a lutheran). Thank you for being so abundantly clear on this particular topic.
@katherinehargrove761
@katherinehargrove761 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% brother Allen!! It's so Crystal clear in the scriptures how tongues should be done in a public church gathering. Not sure why so many people are not understanding the simplicity of this topic.
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@daniell9268
@daniell9268 Жыл бұрын
you have no idea what you are talking about lol
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
*You cant use what Paul gives Corinth as 'how tongues should be done in public' for 2 reasons. One reason is embedded in your own thesis.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
"Not sure why so many people are not understanding the simplicity of this topic." *Ironic statement.*
@bch5513
@bch5513 2 жыл бұрын
My pastor had someone speak in tongues one day at church, and he was obviously suspect because she like to be the center of attention. He asked her in front of everyone do you know what you just said? She said no. He said I do. Do you just praise the Lord and agreed to sell half your possessions and give to the poor. You can bet that never happened again ....
@georgealongi5361
@georgealongi5361 2 жыл бұрын
I agree tongues in a lot of churches could be false but we shouldn’t be making fun/mocking it. Tongues are a gift from God.
@gabrielaromay7244
@gabrielaromay7244 2 жыл бұрын
You did it again brother 10/10 ❤️ i have been part of both churches pentecostal and baptist and i know this is an IMPORTANT topic and people dont know how to explain it . Totally agree with what you said
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! Moe
@dancewfaith
@dancewfaith 2 жыл бұрын
Once again Thank You brother Allen for your teachings and speaking the truth and handling God's word with care.
@jdub1768
@jdub1768 Жыл бұрын
You need to search the scriptures correctly he is completely out of context and does not understand these scriptures or interpret them correctly
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@art_by_adrian2913
@art_by_adrian2913 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pentecostal and will always be I've felt enough and seen enough in my church to know that there is nothing else like it anywhere else I'm glad at our church they speak like this the Kenneth Copeland and some of those other clips were unreal but when you are lost in the spirit and let God move and speak through you it doesn't matter if it sounds crazy if it's real, you quinch the spirit when you try to hold it back this shouldn't be a dividing issue at all, there are so many Christian KZbinrs that spend more time calling out "false pastors" and false practices, but real is real and if you know it and feel it in your heart that's what matters .
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
It's not so much tongues that sounds crazy. It's fake tongues that is crazy. People know when you're just rambling off nonsense sounds, and trying to pretend like it's something.
@PASTORSHIGGAION
@PASTORSHIGGAION 2 жыл бұрын
It's simple..go to youtube pages of charismatics and pentecostals and check out their videos and go to the comment sections. People testifying about awesome miracles and blessing God has done for them, through those ministries and people being saved. You will also see the cessationists and Christian atheists hating on their videos and calling for the ministry to repent for believing in the gifts of the Spirit. I think to myself, you people see that people's lives are changed towards Christ and you are calling for that ministry to repent, meanwhile if I flip to pages like this or some others, I don't get those testimonies. I get someone's doctrines...it makes me wonder sometimes how things would look if ad revenue was not involved and you just had to do a video with out pay.
@wenhari06
@wenhari06 2 жыл бұрын
@@PASTORSHIGGAIONam with you on that
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! Moe
@matthewskoblar5230
@matthewskoblar5230 Жыл бұрын
I've had many encounters with those who are from protestant, Pentecostal and other man-made denominations that i pray for their own conversions and breakaways from those theology teachings and the spiritual, mental and verbal abuse I've copped from them is horrifying and truly devastating. I'm a proud Roman Catholic who believes in the theology of Catholicism and we are the only one true and holy apostolic church that was built from the apostolates that served Christ and wrote scriptures and letters which helped formed the church together after Jesus said to Peter go now build my church and spread the good news around the world during the resurrection of our Lord and when he visited the apostles one last time, The Christian denominations loved to target the Catholics because when they started up their ow churches, theologies and divorces from the Catholic church they removed 7 books from the bible that talks about Catholic theology and early church periods and made their own interpretations as they had this hatred, opposition, aggression and bitterness to the Catholics and broke so many laws and rules while they did that which turned into an absolute mess and mass persecutions of Catholics and non-believers joining them and that to me is straight up extremism as it goes against the teachings of the bible the religion and philosophies of Christianity altogether. The Blasphemes attacks they do to Catholics, Mother Mary and the Angels and saints is truly insulting and full of heresy they will do anything to get their own way as they don't believe in free will where we Catholics do because we believe that anyone can go to heaven regardless of how they live their own lives unlike those other denominations as they are all brainwashed and full of extremism and hypocrisy (especially the Pentecostals as i see them as a cult majority of the time). Catholics have different ways of celebrating the mass and community services we do believe in charismatic praise but not how those denominations do it as they take it to an extreme level and define the meanings of the church and how the services should be done I'm all for praise and worship charismatic concerts and gigs gatherings but leave the mass and the church alone altogether and don't abolish the sacraments, rosary's divine mercy's and prayers we are obligated to do as they are mentioned in the bible and the church only has the authority to forgive sins, cast out demons and transpose scripts not us as we don't have that authority and free will to do so through salvation as it's forbidden to do so. If you really want to learn and understand the ways of Almighty God, Our Lord Saviour Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit then Catholicism is the way to go and don't feel pressured to learn it all at once in this life we have eternity to do so and anyone can go to heaven whether you believe in God or not and we all do have to go through purgatory before going to heaven as we need to be free and cleansed from our sins as we live in sinful nature which is perfectly normal otherwise we wouldn't know what's good and bad and it's a personal journey for everyone and for us only between God and ourselves and no one has authority or say where we go with our destiny's as God is the only one who says so through the judgment stages and purgatory is better than hell as you're one step closer to heaven and anyone who dismisses purgatory and its existence are foolish and blind delusional idiots who don't know any better themselves and would rather spread false lies and fear monger those wrongfully about the teachings of the Bible and our faithful relationship with God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Thank you, my friend, for sharing and raising awareness with this subject and I pray for their conversions out of those false theologies and whether they do convert to Catholicism or not within this life I pray that they shall be healed and cleansed from their sins in purgatory and that they make it to heaven as it's our moral duty as Catholics to do so for Almighty God and you take good care of yourself and keep up the great work. Amen and God Bless :)
@irismariaadams7630
@irismariaadams7630 Жыл бұрын
My mom was a Pentecostal until the day she died. She loved the Lord, but she was always down on herself bc she could not speak in tongues. I got saved in a Pentecostal church when I was a teenager, bur out in my early 20s bc I was invited to a Baptist church and they explained to me what speaking in tongues was. It was explained to me that God gives us a special ability to learn languages fast. And i believed that bc my mother tongue is Spanish, but I was able to learn English fast and im very fluent in it. Of course, through the years I have wondered if the explanation I was given at the Baptist church was that simple. Brother Parr, you really explained it to me today how it really works! Thank you so much! PTL!
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! Moe
@timungerank7321
@timungerank7321 2 жыл бұрын
Right on brother. That’s awesome I have said that so many times. The supernatural gifts are for repentance and restoration!!! I experienced this in a church a member spoke in other tongues another member interpreted it and was 100% correct about my life my addiction and revealed a lie that I used to cover things up. Needless to say I am born again and have served God since that time, just to make mention that was January 24th 1985. Don’t despise the Gifts of The Holy Ghost. Awesome Word!!!!
@jessahalmadin4505
@jessahalmadin4505 2 жыл бұрын
I would definitely agree on this at a church. Someone should interpret. Tongues without interpretation should be restrained.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@TwiceA562
@TwiceA562 2 жыл бұрын
Why do they always use the most extreme crazy situations to debunk Speaking in tongues. I can’t tell you how many times people have come into our church for the very first time and heard corporate speaking in tongues and didn’t understand what was going on but after the service said they had never experienced anything as powerful as they did and people who are still attending our services.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
These self proclaimed heresy hunters on KZbin don’t care about truth. 1) they care about pushing their false doctrines bcz they are cessationists who hate Pentecostals and 2) they mostly care about their numbers of subs and likes.
@Reclaimtherainbow_Gen9
@Reclaimtherainbow_Gen9 8 ай бұрын
Anybody talking gibberish is a crazy situation. Why do you always extremely ignore the obvious?
@timothyolawunijr8259
@timothyolawunijr8259 3 ай бұрын
@@Reclaimtherainbow_Gen9 Then let me be crazy for Jesus because the carnal mind doesnt understand the move of the spirit
@snuggisthecute
@snuggisthecute 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, brother Allen, for speaking on these issues. I spent about 5 years in a "non-denominational" church whose pastor was heavily influenced by "Assemblies of God" teachings. I invited family members to visit and was embarrassed by the crazy stuff happening during the service each time. Hearing you talk about this in many of your videos has given me much needed validation in my decision to leave churches like that. Amen, brother.
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! Moe
@TheodorBass
@TheodorBass 2 жыл бұрын
Church which I was a part of, got into teaching that if you don't 'speak in tongues' then you don't have Holly Spirit. In other words - you're separated from God. That is a blasphemy. As soon as I left that place my life started changing for better.
@timburris3758
@timburris3758 Жыл бұрын
GOD’s Word Plainly Says That Speaking In Tongues Is A Gift And Its Only As Good As The Interpretation!!
@jdlyonsky
@jdlyonsky Жыл бұрын
I grew up in a Pentecostal church and later I wondered if what was meant by that verse is that the unbelievers were those that didn't believe others were filled with the holy spirit because they didn't speak in tongues the moment they came out of the baptism pool. If speaking in tongues is a real gift then you shouldn't have to fake it or make it up or start speaking gibberish in the hopes that the holy spirit will guide your tongue. If it's meant for me to speak in tongues, then God will have to initiate it. I'm not going to be guilty of false fire.
@phieble
@phieble 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your boldness in using Scripture to support your conviction and to exhort us in love. This issue along with the issues of women preachers and "pastors" and what the Bible clearly has to say about tithes and offerings are blatantly ignored or grossly twisted like a pretzel because a lot of so-called church leaders simply do not care what God has said but are gonna do whatever they want and the people in the congregation just go with it. Also, in a lot of congregations church disincline and comparing what the preacher says to what the Bible says is non-existent because a lot of people in attendence lack a thirst for growth in holiness and true intimacy with God through diligent reading snd studyinh of the word and it's really tragic.
@SisterWatchmanBrooke
@SisterWatchmanBrooke Жыл бұрын
Whoa; =| that last part you said /point made is HUGE. that is a deep profound issue happening, that is hard to put your finger on! but that's it!
@Maria_Maria_San
@Maria_Maria_San 2 жыл бұрын
I was a member of a “Catholic” charismatic group for youths way back 2007. I first heard about tongues in that group. They also have this “slained by the Spirit” and “holy laughter” experiences. When we worship, I could see some of them being possessed. It was scary. I left that group and i was saved 3 years after in a Christian church. Now, I am blessed to belong to a Bible Baptist Church. Praise God for bringing me to this church I’m in right now.
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. The way catholics try to talk to the dead, I can imagine there's all kinds of spirits hanging around those places.
@larrytruelove8659
@larrytruelove8659 2 жыл бұрын
Maria I don’t think they’re possessed. I believe it is a kind of mental conditioning , similar to hypnosis. They have to believe in it in order to do it. That’s why they have to believe it’s a heavenly language.
@cat-bg3rv
@cat-bg3rv Жыл бұрын
It is not just Charismatic Catholics that practice speaking in tongues in an almost entertaining way. The word experience to me is based upon feelings or emotions. There are United Pentecostal churches that believe tongues are sign of your salvation. Yikes!!
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@larrytruelove8659
@larrytruelove8659 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGoodNews101 1) Tongues were never intended for personal edification. 1 Corinthians 14 actually speaks of it as a rebuke, not as an encouragement. Jude 1:20 speaks of “praying in the Spirit”, not praying in tongues. In the Spirit is NOT “in tongues.” 2) Romans 8:26 is not about tongues.
@marklucero2524
@marklucero2524 2 жыл бұрын
Every other time I watch an Allen Parr video, he's advising people to run from a church. Really? That's your solution for everything? I do mean 'your' because I doubt that it's the answer that might come from God. Run, don't even pray about it. Wow!! That advice could in some cases be exactly opposite of what God will say. I don't like the 'you should leave that church' response, it's too automatic and it doesn't speak to the 'hearing what God has to say' in the matter.
@ivanarends7390
@ivanarends7390 2 жыл бұрын
Shalom Brethren, Thanks for clarifying some misconceptions, about tongues and prophesy...its very illuminating. But...please do not encourage unbelievers to run away from The Church. Not all Churches is fully equip in understanding, but they are honestly seeking God. Even yourself are admitting...that you dont know it all. Its all about The Journey with God and the Holy Spirit will reveal...truth, error and judgement. Wellcome To Church Everyone...in Jesus Name we pray...Amen
@MR-G-Rod
@MR-G-Rod Жыл бұрын
Speaking in tounges example: Paradoxical language is speaking in tongues. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, you'll understand that if "anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all.”
@malcolm773
@malcolm773 2 жыл бұрын
So basically what I’m getting out of this is that you need an interpreter every time someone speaks in tongues..
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! If the church doesn't have one, they are suspicious.
@Ledbythelamp
@Ledbythelamp 2 жыл бұрын
Please read your Bible and ask for clarity from the Holy Spirit & don't let your conclusions be based on the inferences drawn by a man like you.
@johnsmit5999
@johnsmit5999 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you are doing it privately.
@liftthelid4270
@liftthelid4270 Жыл бұрын
@@beautifulisyoursmile3955 Please explain Acts 2 where 120 spoke in tongues, not fake but real. Please explain Acts 10 where all who heard the word of Cornelius' house ( more than 2 or 3 for sure), received the Holy Ghost, and they knew according to verse 46, "for they heard them speak with tongues. Please explain Acts 19 where about 12 received the Holy Ghost, and they knew according to verse 6, because once again they spoke with tongues. Please explain Acts 2:33 where the scriptures tell us receiving the Holy Ghost is something you could see and hear, in fact Simon the scorcerer saw it in Acts 8:18 that he offered money for this power. Scripture interprets scripture and throughout the book of Acts, the original church, when someone received the baptism of the Holy Ghost they spoke with tongues as an outward initial evidence that something supernatural just happened......real tongues not fake. Most in this thread and Alan do not understand the simplicity of scripture that the gift of tongues which is not for everybody and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, which is for everybody(Acts 2:39) are 2 different things. Yes, there should be order but in sovereign moves of the Spirit, many more can according to scripture speak in tongues. Notice there was no interpretation in those experiences in Acts, because it was not the gift of tongues in operation, it was the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Context.....I Corinthians 12 the subject from there thru chapter 14 is spiritual gifts. Alan and most of this thread is an example of not understanding how to rightly divide the word of God. This post is not meant in a mean-spirited way, but just allowing scripture to speak for itself.
@josephwilson8147
@josephwilson8147 Жыл бұрын
@@liftthelid4270 🔥🔥🔥
@glennbarrett7234
@glennbarrett7234 2 жыл бұрын
I was raised a presbyterian christian. But started going to a pentecostal church. The pastor and another person prayed for me. I recieved the baptism in the Holy Spirit, while at home. This supernatural experience made me believe totally, Christianity is real.
@darthjedi99
@darthjedi99 2 жыл бұрын
thats not faith, you need a sign and Gods Word wasnt enough for you. You get the Holy Spirit the moment you ask Jesus to be your Savior!
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
Amen! Glad you got out from under a dead, religious denomination.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
You have been lied to Christop.
@krustysurfer
@krustysurfer 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely nailed it brother Parr! God bless you your loved ones and the body of Christ
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@anneerin3533
@anneerin3533 Жыл бұрын
I was in a pentecostal church about 4 months ago. Im a born again Christian...and although their prayers were so passionate ...there was no preaching except screaming in tongues ...i was scared...nobody used the Bible there...i was in search of a church because i wasn't happy at all at the one i was attending ..they were not welcoming and although i searched for true Christians friends i saw things i didnt like i would go there and leave , i was invisible...nobody is offered to pray for me or check on me with my so many difficulties ..the enemy was attacking me, they just sort of think it was not important l, it was as if oh well the devil, but they didnt pray or at least one of the pastor',,s woman. It was a church more into making excursions, and doing social work helping the poor...i didnt feel the holy spirit there. Im so tired of attending churches like this. I even encountered very rude women in other churches. Just couldnt believe it. Some evangelical churches have become like sects they dont welcome believes ..no wonder non-believes will go there, only poor people who need food the day they give it...im alone i have no family, no Christian friends...im alone with Jesus ..i have seen on youtube people who feel and see the things i see...i so long to be in a true Christian church....i have decided instead of feeling sorry for myself ..i will pray more and more to the Lord..he's my Saviour and my God, lord Jesus.
@Nolaperu
@Nolaperu 2 жыл бұрын
I remember I went to a charismatic/prosperity church because my ex goes and wanted me to go. The pastor said I feel the holy spirit moving, let's speak in the spirit. Everyone started speaking in tongues. Got up and left and she chased after me. I told her I'm never coming back. That day our relationship went south from there. I believe in the word of God, not some made up junk I'm seeing in churches today.
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
There’s nothing wrong with people praying in the spirit in church. In fact it needs to happen more. Way too many dead churches.
@ThatChristianFamChannel
@ThatChristianFamChannel 2 жыл бұрын
I've experienced this at World Harvest Bible College. The instructor came into class ans instructed everyone to "pray in the Holy Spirit" and they all started speaking in a "fake tongue". Literally babbling! I grabbed by things, walked right out and never returned to that college.
@tmilesffl
@tmilesffl 2 жыл бұрын
Praying in the holy spirit is biblical
@ThatChristianFamChannel
@ThatChristianFamChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@tmilesffl it sure is, but that wasn't it.
@AbdielRod
@AbdielRod 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow 😮 how did you know it was fake tongues and not real? Just wondering ☺️
@ThatChristianFamChannel
@ThatChristianFamChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@AbdielRod babbling in class with no interpretation. And even then the tongue would be another language. None of it makes sense, none of it was edifying others or glorifying God.
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
@@tmilesffl you don't oblige what only God has control over. He opened it to us through the holy spirit. If it ain't it, don't pretend nor lie.
@terrybanks3061
@terrybanks3061 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you’re absolutely right when I was first saved I went to a Pentecostal church they tried to get me to speak in tongues by saying the same words over and over again only faster it wasn’t Spirit lead it was man- made and now after being saved 30 years I understand and I’m glad I left that church very early after reading the Bible and getting a Biblical understanding of what it means to speak in tongues and how it should be applied (if applied at all) in God’s way. God Bless
@frick6946
@frick6946 Жыл бұрын
yea, you can't force the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in other tongues. I had been prayed for several times to receive it and never did but then one day at church while the congregation was singing a hymn out of the hymnal, suddenly all these syllables came flooding into my Spirit and I knew I could sing that song in tongues. And it flowed. I didn't sing it outloud, but I knew something different happened that day. I received it, just me and God, not in front of a bunch of people, where people are watching, although it can happen that way also.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@veganization
@veganization 2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much came to the conclusion many years ago that neither "there's something wrong with your spirituality if you speak in tongues," or "there is something wrong with your spirituality if you don't speak in tongues," is what the scriptures teach. The truth is somewhere in between. The problem though is that churches often want you to be at one extreme or the other. Thanks for bringing some sanity to the issue. We need more church leadership to do the same.
@TheGoodNews101
@TheGoodNews101 Жыл бұрын
Tongues that you showed in the begining vidoes isn't for the unbeliever but for the edification of the church if there is an interpretation 1 Cor 12:10. Spiritual things are an offense to the natural mind. Paul was addressing the Corinthians because of zeal for spiritual gifts that they were speaking in tongues throughout the whole meeting and no one was getting edified. There is 4 diversities of tongues that most overlook and get confused like the author of this video. 1) you have tongues for personal edification 1 Cor 14:4 - Jude 1:20 - for all believers 2) tongues for intercession Romans 8:26 3) tongues (as sign) for the unbeliever when spoken in their native language Acts 2 4) tongues for interpretation in a local church service 1 cor 12:10 - not for all believeres Same rules do not apply for all the different kinds of tongues. Tongues for personal edification is limited to your personal prayer life and is not to distract when your with others in a church service. Tongues for interpretation which is a gift thats operated as the Spirit wills needs a interpretation to continue so that it might edify the body of Christ. Tongues for intercession comes on you as the Spirit wills in your personal prayer time.
@realityhits3022
@realityhits3022 Жыл бұрын
I don't have to imagine being in one of those situations you mentioned. I took a nonchristian friend to a crusade. A pastor from rhema bible college came to preach there. And man to this day I regret taking my friend there. It was like a zoo of wild animals. As for myself, I do speak in tongues but never publicly if there is no interpretation. Brother, there are so many things unbiblical going on in these charismatic churches. I wish you would acknowledge people like me that follow sound biblical doctrines and practice gifts of the Holy Spirit biblically. We exist and we are not among the Pentecostals and Charismatics. Most of us have been to theology college.
@Grigo831
@Grigo831 Жыл бұрын
Back in Romania a true story in the communism time A phd university professor specialised in old languages attended to a penticostal church program Everything where ok lots of singing prayers and preaching and next to him a brother named Vasile Hozan explained about church program and members of the church At the end the pastor asked a young lady from the choir to pray to end up the church time and she start to speak in tongues for a while Vasile Hozan said to himself this not supposed to happen because we have this guest the university professor The professor asked Vasile who’s the lady and what language she studied Vasile knew the lady and he said that she did not study any foreign languages The professor said “ in this place is God for real because this lady is talking to me and explains my whole life in a very old Italian forgotten language “
@rambodedarehchigilani7066
@rambodedarehchigilani7066 2 жыл бұрын
I agree and disagree with some of the things you mentioned. Yes there have been pastors that may have miss used this gift in church and services. However, you didn’t completely show the full clip of Pastor Kenneth Hagin’s video. What he was doing was letting Holy Spirit minister to the church through him. The Holy Spirit later gave an interpretation to all of tongues he spoke following your clip. So that video was taken out of context because Pastor Hagin used tongues correctly. Sometimes, during services the Spirit can have such a powerful move that believers simply can not hold back themselves from speaking utterances from the Holy Spirit. I have experienced this in a couple of churches. Also, believers don’t always receive interpretation when speaking in tongues. Same with how a believer doesn’t always receive interpretation when they’re praying on their own. Does that mean that they need to stop praying in tongues? No. They are strengthening their spirit. We can’t put limits on the move of the Holy Spirit. The clips you showed of other believers speaking without interpretation, is not what they make up by their own minds. Do some people? Yes. But we can’t make that assumption for all. The Bible says that tongues is a mystery that is uttered and brought to you by the Holy Spirit. So if someone is filled and is driven to speak, whether with interpretation or not, they need to let it out. I agree however, churches should not instigate tongues as a mandatory practice or the pastor shouldn’t speak tongues without interpretation. However, if during worship time the church is filled with the Spirit’s anointing, believers shouldn’t be stopped from speaking in tongues, even if there isn’t interpretation. Because they are still edifying themselves and they may even be worshipping God in diverse tongues. If this was bad God wouldn’t have allowed His Spirit to move in such a manner. We have to remember, WE CANT CONTROL TONGUES. It’s a gift. God granted it and He controls how it moves.
@marktaylor9529
@marktaylor9529 2 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with you 🔥🙏🏽
@tracy8508
@tracy8508 Жыл бұрын
These religious guys are intentionally deceptive.
@angiepro8471
@angiepro8471 2 жыл бұрын
Most of people in my church pray in tongues in fact, every Friday night we have a prayer service that going on like this : - worship : fast beat songs, than slow songs and the singing in tongues - start to pray in the spirit « in tongues » Then words of affirmation or prayer confession/ declaration on different topics - then may singing again - End I have been in that church for the past 17y
@speakfaith0309
@speakfaith0309 2 жыл бұрын
In my church we speak in tongues and I love it, there’s an understanding that if the pastor or a person starts speaking in tongues the next thing they say is the translation and it would be a powerful message, or they’ll immediately go to someone and start praying for them and you know it’s spirit lead. If some starts speaking in tongues and it’s drawn out or distracting then a leader would approach them and tell them to stop. I agree that they are fakers out there but when tongues are used responsibly then they can be a powerful tool in the service.
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
How often do you spend time in prayer to know or understand that what is being pronounced is legit? Sometimes what you call powerful, is just connected to your desires confused to be spiritual.
@speakfaith0309
@speakfaith0309 2 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulisyoursmile3955 I don’t know how to put a time to my prayer because I try to pray without ceasing while also praying for discernment. Honestly, if someone is speaking in tongues but nobody is translating then I tune them out and move on. It can be annoying but I just pray for them that God corrects them. If they translated and the word speaks to me or the congregation in all and it can be held up against the Bible then I take it as true. I’m not going to lie, I also get a stirring in my heart but I never base it off that completely.
@beautifulisyoursmile3955
@beautifulisyoursmile3955 2 жыл бұрын
@@speakfaith0309 thanks
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus!! Moe
@franko7835
@franko7835 Жыл бұрын
As you said “You Think” Paul said…
@lleange363
@lleange363 2 жыл бұрын
in our church we have this prayer meeting that mostly attended by doctrinated attendees and there we pray for our country and all else and since all are christians, its thr best time to speak in tongues not on the church service where ppl invites non christians
@antonego7950
@antonego7950 2 жыл бұрын
I love the worship conferences with Pentecostals though. That worship is lit! 🔥 💃 🙏🏻
@jonathanbwirukiro3993
@jonathanbwirukiro3993 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 samee!!
@thejohnmarkproject
@thejohnmarkproject 2 жыл бұрын
Like the fires of hell.
@Esnelle242
@Esnelle242 2 жыл бұрын
I always knew that something was bugging my spirit while listening to you. But now I have the conviction.. How can someone who teaches tell people to leave a church without even praying? THIS IS DANGEROUS!! Yes there are SOME charismatic/pentecostal churches that get things wrong... NO churches is perfect.. but that´s why churches elders/shepherd/teachers are there for! for guidance and understanding. I grew up in church and even after getting baptised I wasn't able to speak in tongue for 6 years until after the Holy Spirit gifted me. Even tho some people did talk about it and wondered why I wasn't able to do it.. I never let that get to me. now speaking In tongues .. I can see the immense benefits and growth in my walk w/ God. Whenever I pray with an unbeliever/newly converted christian and the Holy Spirit leads me to pray in tongue (which in this case is rare or 10-20% of the prayer time) I always take time to explain what is about to happen. people who force tongues on other.. didn't clearly understand something and at least need prayer! someone like you SHOULD know this.. I´ll pray that God reveal Himself more to you.
@johnsmit5999
@johnsmit5999 2 жыл бұрын
How come you pray with an unbeliever/newly converted Christian in tongue? They can't understand.
@Esnelle242
@Esnelle242 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmit5999 please read again! But this time slowly. I said when I pray with them.. if the Holy Spirit leads me in tongues (WHICH IS RARE)! I always explain beforehand what is about to happen! Everything I do, I do by the H.Spirit. He would lead me in a prayer in tongues (again it is rare).. if the other person would mind. No one has till now.
@johnsmit5999
@johnsmit5999 2 жыл бұрын
@@Esnelle242 Thank you for expounding! I am glad that everything you do is by the Holy Spirit. I hope to be like that one day. I just wondered what the benefit would be for you or the other person to do that.
@Esnelle242
@Esnelle242 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmit5999 whenever I pray with newly converted Christians or a non believer.. and the Holy Spirit leads me to speak in tongue (which is rare I repeat!) it is often because in that moment either: 1. I feel an oppression trying overcoming me, the enemy voice in my head trying to discourage me from continuing with the prayer.. in that instance the prayer in tongues gives me strength.. as I am talking through the H.Spirit to the Father directly.. a prayer that even the demons can’t understand. The power and fire that overcome me in that moment is indescribable. 2. It is a message that I get for the person in front of me because I also get the interpretation.
@johnsmit5999
@johnsmit5999 2 жыл бұрын
@@Esnelle242 Thank you very much for expounding about that! I appreciate that and may God bless you!
@elizabethodicho6192
@elizabethodicho6192 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on this topic, I agree with what you said 👍 When i started seeking God over 4 yrs ago I started off in a pentocostal charismatic church. I lasted 5 weeks and during that time I was pressured by the church to pray for the gift of tongues and eventually I made myself believe that had the gift of tongues and didn't realise I was faking it (that's how much I was deceived by them). I used to cry to God in my prayer asking him to reveal the truth about this doctrine cause I was not settled about it one bit and so I knew something was wrong with their teachings on this topic. During those 5 weeks I brought my bestfriend there who was an unbeliever only to see the most confused look on her face when she first walked into the church one sunday and saw the whole congregation screaming in the air babbling sounds. It was like the sound of bunch of roosters arguing. And my bestfriend was so confused as she didn't think it was normal for a church setting to be like that. It almost put a stumbling block in her way to coming to Christ. My opinion is that these churches (especially the leaders who are teaching this) are in need to repent from this false teaching which is stopping unbelievers from coming to Christ. Praise God I'm out of these type of churches.
@mauriciomunozortiz
@mauriciomunozortiz Жыл бұрын
Amen! Well Saying,God bless you in Christ Jesus!!! **Tongues needs to be understood(Not Human-Manifest) with interpreters in the tongue if it is possible. from Your brother in Christ Jesus! Moe
@paulkilindo6700
@paulkilindo6700 Жыл бұрын
I've heard alot of "I think" rather than what the word says! God bless you brother! I will agree partly but not all the way through.
@ift24
@ift24 Жыл бұрын
I was raised in an old school Pentecostal church. The one where men and women had to sit on seperate sides and women had to wear dresses or skirts when we stepped foot in the church especially on the alter. Going to church was stressful at times growing up because after every service, the pastor would encourage people to go up to get prayed for. As a youth, I was practically forced to go up, if i didnt, I would be looked at ashamed. So I would go up. The pastor would go to each person and put his hand on our forehead. Spoke loudly in our ears, practically yelled, and it felt like he was forcing holy spirit on us. Idk if it was bcuz of all the crying I did or from the craziness, but I would, so I thought, spoke in tongues or just gibberish. I repent looking back at it now. Anyways, and with the force of his hand, I would fall to the ground. Then I would wake up with a blanket over me. To be honest with you, I don't remember ever feeling a sense of peace afterwards. After years in that church, and leaving at 18, now being 31, it feels like I have ptsd bcuz I get uneasy and ashamed when I think about it.
@marisa5359
@marisa5359 Жыл бұрын
Sounds similar to my growing up and way too many years of my adulthood, other than it was at nondenominational churches that followed those leanings. I have had PTSD as well and the only thing that has helped is unpacking everything I was ever fed, examining it in light of Scripture-reading it for what it says and not what others try to say it says-and a lot of time in prayer. I never spoke in tongues or fell out legitimately, but only through coercion did I appear to for the sake of wanting to be a part and feel spiritual. On the inside, I was sure God just didn't love me or want to use me like the others. That I was wrong somehow in a way I could not pinpoint.It's been a decade since I left that mess for good after researchinga guest speaker we had that particularly troubled me. It was like a sweater unraveling from there and, pretty soon, so much of what I had been fed was shown to me to be nothing but a sham and I knew I could not stay. I am at a church now that concentrates on teaching the Word and reaching people for Christ without all the trappings. I am so grateful. Thanks for sharing your experience. It reminds me I am not alone in this. Praying all the best for you.
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