💥 Elizabeth Holmes SCANDAL - Body Language That Reveals The Lies

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

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[@lukycharms9970]

Walmart? Guys have you read or heard about Holmes before this ONE video?! The deal was with WALGREENS NOT WALMART. I mean they say multiple times even in this video! Her voice sounds weird regardless of how nervous she is because that’s NOT her real voice. Guys please tell me you’ve looked into this before this video…She started putting on this fake deep voice to mimic Steve Jobs. Psychopaths do NOT typically experience fear or any sort of anxiety based emotion and their lack of empathy means they also can’t relate/experience someone else’s fear. One of you just said they can’t feel most emotions but they can sense fear. That is TOTALLY wrong. Mark, the word you’re looking for in every video is “subconscious” not “unconscious.” No one is doing anything while they’re unconscious…It’s subconscious. All these points probably sound incredibly trivial but you guys are 4 incredibly smart guys with a massive list of credentials. You guys are way too smart to be saying complete garbage like this.

[@gemmalouiseroby8090]

@@lukycharms9970 it's contradictory that you say "depending on how nervous she is" when talking about her voice, then state that psychopaths are incapable of feeling nervous/anxious/stressed and the like. They can certainly feel stress if the potential outcome could be bad for them. It is coming across pretty trivial in the way you're portraying what the panel are insinuating. After all, there were no good points in your comments regarding this (almost 2 hour long) video.

[@candywiersema3363]

@Luckycharms, he misspoke on saying Wal-Mart instead of Walgreens. However, the Walden family who owns Wal-Mart, had invested in her company. It happens. It was an honest mistake. After discussing both companies, he confused them. It's really not that big a deal.

[@Speaktruthnow23]

Why yall say yall boring. Yall dont bore me at all

[@dawnieb.7394]

​@@lukycharms9970 you should read the latest coming out of psychology...there are plenty of experts saying that psychopaths can indeed experience & sense emotions, including anxiety and fear. Plus, I think the guys were well aware that Holmes was altering her voice deliberately.

[@maryloupetzoldt4994]

I had a 30 year career in hematology and immunology. I had to laugh when I first heard about her idea of performing 20 or 30 tests on such a very small sample of blood. I knew she consulted experts in the field who told her that it would not work but she went ahead and started finding investors anyway. Just her arrogance in going full speed ahead and thinking she could perform some kind of miracle to get this technology to work shows her pathology right off the bat. Also, I cannot believe that her investors did not consult hematology experts to find out if this idiotic idea would work. Her answers about the FDA in this interview are ridiculous. A company does not get to "decide to cooperate" with the FDA. You HAVE to get approval by the FDA for any medical device or procedure that will be used in clinical testing. They don't make surprise visits to "learn from" your company. They visit your company to make sure that you are in compliance with regulations and if you aren't you HAVE to make the changes in order to get approval. There are so many statements that are laughable to anyone with any regulatory or hematology background. I am surprised that it took as long as it did for her scam to be exposed.

[@chriper77]

I agree. I'm thinking it had nothing to do with whether it made sense or not. All she needed to do was find one gullible person of influence, mesmerise them with her psychopathic ability to charm and lie. Once she had someone on board like Kissinger, the rest jumped on board, no questions asked, thinking the first must have done their due diligence, and not wanting to miss out on the 'next big thing'.

[@amelia_k1082]

And to top that, she claimed her proprietary equipment could perform 200 tests from a single drop of blood.

[@amelia_k1082]

@@chriper77 I bet the whole lot of them are incredibly embarrassed and humbled by this whole experience. Not that they can’t afford it, because it’d be like the average Joe investing a grand or so, but I’d have loved to have been a fly on the wall during some of those phone conversations or in person meetings when one screamed at the other if they even checked it out and the other one saying he thought the other guy did! It’s almost hilarious, if not that it had such serious consequences in putting patient health at risk. Lol 😆

[@AnonYmous-ry2jn]

Beautifully argued and written, obviously coming from a position of pure and authentic professional integrity and solid sense of what this means. However, you perhaps inadvertently put your finger on the legal wiggle room Ms. Holmes gave herself in the language she used, which amounts to sophistry without out-and-out lies, at least as to 2 big instances you mention. “Decided to” (comply) and “learn from” are super-misleading phrases that from a legal standpoint are (and certainly can be construed as) technically true, however misleading. Holmes can plausibly be said to have “decided to comply with and not violate compulsory policy” (which indeed is to “decide” something), and when regulatory authorities do some kind of audit to confirm or ascertain compliance, that is indeed an effort to “learn [something] from,” albeit that “something” being whether or not compliance occurred. So Holmes crafted some very cunning sophistries here that clearly mislead, but seem to keep her safely out of a legal definition of lying. I’m not sure of her legal duty not to mislead in such a situation/context, but it’s clear she studied, practiced, or was coached (probably all 3) in these distinctions to minimize her legal jeopardy. Your observations are just about 100% spot-on, Dr. Petzoldt, except Holmes is playing on the difference between entrepreneurial (some would say “huckster”) discourse and academic or medical scientific discourse. With her “entrepreneur” hat on, society and much of our legal doctrines give her much broader latitude to “puff the product” to the point of gross exaggeration and a certain amount of sophistry. The case really underscores the complexity and difficulties of contemporary blurring of the lines between science and commerce, an ongoing and escalating pattern, problem and challenge in our culture, with this case being an extreme illustration of the broader issue/s. I’m by no means defending Holmes. Quite the opposite: I believe she deserves to go to prison. But I’m also interested in exploring problems in our legal institutions and laws, and changing academic and scientific moral norms in this commercializing direction, entrepreneur-izing everything. In this sense one can see a clear thread connecting the opiate (OxyContin etc.) scandal (“turbocharging prescriptions”), the Boeing tragedies (profits first, safety last) and similar scandals, including the college admissions fraud and bribery cases. When everything is “business is business” we seem to get deeper into these sorts of difficulties.

[@Jimmy911ism]

She believed in what she was doing. She hasn't lied. She genuinely believed her company would deliver the goods one day. Make a business mistake in America and your life is over.

[@mitchandprince]

"Her ego is writing checks that her body can't cash" - Chase "She's a confidence trickster" - Mark "She's using words like hopeful & believe. A real CEO uses words like know & understand" - Greg *paused and staring at the camera* - Scott 😂 My favorite episode so far! Keep it up

[@lsieu]

Top Gun quotes live on!

[@looking4things669]

Love that

[@meowMix03]

Hahaa funny

[@lisa-annen.7867]

Chase is amazing 🤩

[@JennaTellya70]

@@lisa-annen.7867 isn’t He though? (He’s married, huh? Dang!)

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Hello Panelists (Greg Here) we will have a slight delay this week and the video will be out later than usual. We are recording this afternoon.

[@kimlewis2304]

Thanks Greg! 🤗

[@cheekymunki6]

I just came to say I hope you and yours are all alright. Glad everyone's ok. Looking forward to the new vid! 🤗

[@kevinvizier7232]

Please let the video be Kyle Rittenhouse's testimony!

[@rachell7682]

Thanks for letting us know, Greg. Was worried I'd missed it. Looking forward to watch it tomorrow now as it's bedtime here in the UK 🇬🇧

[@evaluhale]

I have checked several times today and finally checked here. Glad to hear everything is ok. I really enjoy every week and look forward to Thursdays.

[@softearth8481]

I absolutely lost it at Scott holding that face so long. The little movements back and forth were hilarious. I came to these videos for the insight and knowledge, but I fell in love with them because of the humor between all of you!

[@gametimegallery7661]

Chase is spot on. Not only is Elizabeth emulating Steve Jobs’ look, she is emulating Obama’s verbal cadence. There is a very big gap between her authentic self and who she wants to be.

[@meowMix03]

Bingo. Obama’s coach has been busy He also coaches Biden. It’s easy to see it once you identify it (Cannot unsee it now )

[@patriciaperry7606]

Chase you’re a genius! We see the similarity of Obama and Elizabeth. Both cons, both big dreamers, and real Narcissists! Here’s to them! 🤮

[@christopherdekonstrukt444]

Apparently she's doing pretty good despite facing prison time. She married a Playboy hotel heir 8 years younger than herself and has a kid with him. She isn't at all hurting for money. A college dropout who has social savvy will go alot further in life than a Harvard grad with no people skills. He's better for her than that Balwani character.

[@indianajanes9962]

I had to double check my calendar to make sure Christmas hadn’t come early bc 2 VIDEOS IN 1 DAY feels like an absolute gift 🎁 Thank you!!!

[@DaveSCameron]

Great isn't it Indy 🤗🇺🇸👀🙏😎

[@jessicacole7332]

They spoiled us 🥰

[@tersamuno9898]

And, that doll face got a lot of attention all of her life

[@tersamuno9898]

And, those shoes, heels

[@lisamariebright5315]

🥰🎁🥳

[@skeeterman7144]

Please don’t get a big head over this but…. I tune in not as much for content, but to hang with you guys. Best personalities on KZbin. Fun, intelligent, open minded, humble and good looking. But the secret sauce is how you all work as a cohesive team. This channel is on 🔥!

[@MauiBodyworker]

Agreed. I’m here to see what new intro Chase is gonna use. 😀

[@independentthinker9113]

I agree completely with this commentor's description of you guys...however, I also love the content.

[@looking4things669]

they have fans like an awesome rock band. Each is gifted and works well together.

[@OliviaSantiagoOn2]

I’m totally fascinated with this show, so a couple of nights ago I played a game with my husband. I told him he had to tell me three stories. Two needed to be true and one a lie. When he was lying his blink rate almost completely disappeared. He held eye contact way too long, and then he smiled. It was awesome!!!! Then I played the game, and when I was lying I held eye contact way too long. I honestly couldn’t stop myself. I thought I could beat the system with what I’d learned, but nope.

[@zadieb5273]

That sounds awesome!!

[@marciaschutte3158]

Once Chase said he thought she was imitating Obama's speech cadence, I couldn't unhear it! Thanks for another excellent analysis, guys!

[@ethelzammit3291]

I completely agree! I thought it was a great insight.

[@SkyelarEagle]

Wait how I’m trying to find it

[@emmaanderson6620]

I also think her ‘undone’ hair is in fact carefully done to reflect that ‘nerdy scientist guru’ style that she’s going for 🥸

[@phnigra111]

Right, Steve Jobs mixed with Rick Rubin

[@margotchanning1822]

Well spotted

[@SchlichteToven]

I think so as well. Along with the intentionally bad makeup that gives the impression she never learned to do it because she was so busy with brainy stuff.

[@1scottrobert]

I see it differently. It may be her ego wouldn’t allow another creative professional to do a better job with her makeup and hair than she can. Or… She may either be too pragmatic, or thinks she’s too pragmatic to let someone fuss over her as if she was a beauty queen, which she knows she is not.

[@lkm3s]

Fun fact, her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes IV, was a vice president at Enron.

[@laceyunderall22]

Wow. Lol. So, b.s. is in her DNA, apparently. 😂😂😂

[@Chellebelle1211]

Cool, I didn’t know that. That fake deep voice is creepy, always has been. Her strange fascination with Steve Jobs is also odd. She was madly wealthy, she could have done so much good while still being a narcissistic psychopath.

[@trevorthetherapist4200]

That tells me all I need to know about what was going on here!

[@lisadellaratta495]

I mentioned that a few times in the live chat but not sure anyone saw it. I think this is huge! Her father helped set up the board... who's lack of due diligence was because he vouched for her.

[@angeladomer4813]

Crazy!

[@crochetemporium]

I love Scott's rants, he is quite right to be furious with this morally defunct woman.

[@victoriagarcia9058]

I'd love to see a video box in the bottom corner when you guys are talking about a clip. I'd like to follow along with your cues.

[@theresechristiansen9769]

Brilliant idea.

[@Lawson855]

Yes I always think the same

[@carrietroy3012]

Yes, please!!! It would be so much easier to follow along with you guys if we can actually see the clips more than just once quickly before and again after. Showing the clips more often would help tremendously!!

[@jonihawkins1964]

Where in the world would they put it though?

[@Ninaagabi]

Or in the center? That way you can still see all 4 😃

[@susanl8478]

I think her messy hair is also intentional ... "See, I care more about these serious issues and my company than my hair"

[@merciajean6959]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 a thousand times, yes!

[@looking4things669]

The Bohemian lifestyle look

[@sparkles0420]

That whole facade is pretty messy on Liz.

[@emeraldblue5291]

It's all a costume. A pretty wrapper/facade. Steve Jobs is who she is trying to mimic. The black turtleneck and pants. Zuckerberg does the same...wears the same outfit everyday because they have more important things to think about than their attire. Same w/her hair and her voice. A high percentage of CEOs are psychopaths. This young attractive woman conned a lot of major names (men of course) out of major cash & convinced most of them to be on her BoD. All w/zero proof her miracle product even worked. She also signed major contracts w/Walgreens & CVS. Then she found a rich fiance to support her thru to her trial. She's got some serious manipulation skills. Prison will not be fun for her.

[@susanl8478]

@@emeraldblue5291 That, in itself, it scary. I knew ONE person like this (not as financially well set of course) but once you know one you know them all and I have never been 'sucked in' ever again. My entire body recoils when I come across anyone who exhibits these characteristics.

[@crochunter35]

I'm an executive with a large international investment bank. I work in Palo Alto (former home of Theranos), the heart of Silicon Valley, and have interacted with tech executives and local VCs often. I have to say you guys did a great job in analyzing tech CEO/VC behavior and speech patterns. And I agree that many are narcissists. Full Disclosure: Many investment bankers also exhibit narcissistic behavior...

[@laurahoward5426]

Just the fact that she cannot pull her hair out of a turtleneck makes her certifiable

[@josephedwarddowling5919]

Yes the messy hair seemed contrived. Like the eccentric genious look. That and the nodding are annoying.

[@stevenclarke5606]

Unable to use hair conditioner

[@1Liann]

The only thing that this channel could do to make it better, would be a split screen with the speaker and the video side by side. I'd love to be able to see exactly what your talking about. Or, say what to look for then roll the tape with pause and commentary. I love you guys and your all not too bad to look at but I don't need to look at all of you at the same time the majority. Just saying. Hugs all.

[@oneneverlaughsenough]

This is the way newer Panel videos have been done, for a few months now.

[@katrinat.3032]

I like looking at you guys. I feel like I’m in a room with smart people (I am)

[@Ashley_Marie23]

@@oneneverlaughsenough I was going to make this reply 🙂 I really like the way they changed it to show the isolated behavior.

[@filipateixeira8923]

Agree!!!

[@bridgetkumah3735]

Yes I wish they would do this too. Sometimes I want to see what they’re talking about in real time

[@MatuzaMortgages]

Her dad was an executive at Enron!!!!!! He taught her everything she knows 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

[@eugheniat.2121]

Great point!

[@saltygenes]

What color is the sky? HOLMES - Well, we took the framework of the whole thing and managed to extract the particles we need that makes us stronger. Since they have taken the collective data and applied it to the narrowing commodity of of of colors, we have to step back, think deeply, allow others to chime in and take full advantage of the true project which we created. And that's a good thing.

[@NikkiC777]

Haha. That is a great comment. That sounds like something she would say.

[@MichelleIbarraMHAEdD]

😂😂😂😂 all that data....

[@yaffaNC-17]

Lol. Brilliantly hilarious!!

[@Martina-sw7hl]

Why does a chicken cross the road? Because of the FDA it needed to transition from one side of the road to the other side of the road but then there was a car-crash and that was the end of the chicken, as well as Theranos. Bonus question: What was first, egg or Theranos?

[@maymaypooch]

😂👋

[@kbaker9804]

I love watching you guys, especially when you’re talking about such an out and out liar! Please don’t delete the interactions between the 4 of you - those are always so enjoyable.

[@maureenleighp4979]

I can’t believe she duped people for so long. And that people thought she was charismatic. She is creepy and odd to me

[@pjj.5649]

with those blink-proof eyes. Could you imagine how much effort that takes? Maybe not much when you are a psychopath.

[@lidiavalentine4296]

Absolutely 🤣

[@donkeydan5996]

I know right? She is attractive but those large creepy eyes and voice can’t be ignored 😂

[@lidiavalentine4296]

@@donkeydan5996 She’s not attractive 🫣 She looks weird and she’s creepy 🧙🏻

[@clairemeyer8295]

I am a chemist and worked for a very large Pharmaceutical/medical equipment companies, I have been involved in FDA new releases as well as compliance with other aspects of already approved and ongoing drugs and machines. I am in total disbelief that this woman has gotten away with such a huge scam. She does NOT have technology to do what she claims to have. FDA compatibility is not a big mystery they just want to make sure your devices or drugs are made consistently, documented properly and perform consistently. FDA requires that your documentation is never destroyed or erased if a mistake is made you need to document the mistake and prove it was a mistake not an act of fraud. AND BTW EVERYONE who makes medical devices and medications HAS to work with the FDA. She keeps saying they are voluntarily working with the FDA , they have no choice . And Quality assurance includes not only the production of the machines but also the efficacy and reproducibility of what those machines do. They may be inspected by different teams within the FDA but her claiming this was a quality systems inspection does not exclude the efficacy of their product.

[@lisadellaratta495]

Thank you! Always good to hear from people who know what they are talking about.

[@dqverify6797]

I don’t recall the details, but Elizabeth and Sonny apparently thought they could bypass the FDA by claiming they were tech/hardware not medicine, or something. It’s in Carryrou’s book, but it’s been a while since I read it. I can look it up for you?

[@clairemeyer8295]

@@dqverify6797 Well, I guess they didn't get away with that. I'm not sure what their reasoning would be because if you are diagnosing people that is certainly a medical procedure. I haven't really followed this because I found it rather distasteful that this young fraudster could manipulate so many people. Well, if I want to be honest it sounded like she was a good looking young woman who used that to finance her start up based on a technology we just don't have yet. I figured it would be exposed sooner or later and I really feel sorry for any patients that fell for this. I would not expect them to doubt the credibility of something that is installed in their local drugstore. Thank you for telling me what her reasoning was for feeling that she had an option.

[@burghdewd]

The ultimate in her narcissism is to agree to do an interview on stage with an organization that has publicly called her out and she thinks she can go on their turf to engage and rebuff what she knows to be accurate criticisms of her b.s.

[@MsBerries25]

when chase went in on his assessment while unknowingly on mute, you guys were brutal 😆 you guys are so fun! love the brotherly teasing amongst yourselves. so awesome

[@rexiemoto]

I think it’s so funny how she says “we are taking the hard road” referring to “working with” the FDA. Are you kidding me!!! Medical instrument and device companies have no choice. It’s regulated😂🤣🤣

[@tylerp1019]

Cooperating with a regulatory agency, how innovative!

[@Athena_208]

Exactly it sounds like she doesn’t want her product to be checked and regulated. It’s the bare minimum requirement for any medical device! This lady is unbelievable.

[@BavarianRage]

Her many borrowed behaviours cobbled together form such an eerie, inhuman caricature. It like she’s studied & stitched together the mannerisms of all those she admires and deems powerful. Thinking that mimicking those behaviours will imbue her with power and its attendant respect. Watching/listening to her is so unsettlingly spellbinding.

[@martinamoskale2445]

Could one say she has a patchwork personality?

[@moirapark4649]

Hey guys, they found little Chloe Smith and she’s back with her parents…you were spot on with them

[@markengle2199]

She seems like an SNL character making fun of Silicon Valley. Dressed like a weird Steve Jobs Halloween costume and her voice is the voice women use when they make fun of how men talk.

[@verifiedgentlemanbug]

Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dimplesd8931]

Yup😂

[@Shoshana-xh6hc]

As an ordinary female of a certain age, the first thing I noticed that put me off and told me there was a problem with her, was her messy hair. Women can’t get away with that above a certain level, her hands reminded me of a (UK) sixth former giving a talk and sinking but trying to rescue herself. Her hands are small and looked sweaty, they flapped uselessly. It’s hard to believe these top companies thought she was the next big thing.

[@llamasugar5478]

It’s very affected. The messy hair, throwback turtleneck sweater, etc says, “I’m too busy with Important Things to trouble with fashion.”

[@Zoehh473]

Yes , I took her style as trying to be quirky and edgy, like a science nerd, but she looks uncomfortable so she doesn't pull it off.

[@tonik9724]

This would have been better if the speakers talked while showing the video, so we can see the body movements while they explained. If they want to be seen while they describe, then do a split screen.

[@1SaraB]

Please don’t edit! The camaraderie & fun is priceless.

[@jlbaker2000]

This should be a lesson for all who perceive a very confident person as someone honest and an authority worthy of recognition.

[@DefyLogicband]

I was wondering if you gentlemen had ever considered going back to old newsreels or footage of famous "People" and analyzing their body language? Say, Richard Nixon or Bruno Richard Hauptmann? That would be so fascinating!!

[@reginagilby1101]

I agree

[@atelier16a5]

Yeah, do Mark Rutte, prime minister from Holland!! 😅😂

[@janne639]

Great suggestion Linda! Speaking of Bruno Hauptmann, I’d be interested to hear an analysis of Charles Lindbergh.

[@DefyLogicband]

@@janne639 I have a strong suspicion, based on his biography and all accounts I have read on the kidnapping, that Lindbergh himself was the culprit, however, I feel it was a prank gone wrong.

[@Crazycraw202]

Didn't they do one on oswald?

[@YellinHelenP]

The minute I heard her, I could tell she was manipulating her voice. It was so strange-sounding and profoundly obvious! I can't believe other people didn't find it freakish and stopped everything right there.

[@JaymePaladino]

Exactly! It sounds like she's doing a bad impression of a woman with a naturally deep voice.

[@1xtra299]

I still cannot get over how she felt she needed to change her voice and was able to keep up with it for so long.

[@looking4things669]

She purposely lowered her voice as a manipulative strategy.

[@wendygorman1027]

It is amazing she got all of these important people on board staring at people like that.

[@nettejohnson7492]

look up her Family Tree....

[@Michael020]

Yes

[@williamwoody7607]

I’m impressed by this panel style. Usually someone is alone and expounding upon what they see and interpret. This is more easily followable. I rather like the idea that she robbed the rich but it’s important to remember that people were subjected to these tests and came away with bad results. The investors weren’t the only victims. In fact all they lost was money that they’ll have no trouble replacing. People were hurt.

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

We only hear about the big money investors but she fleeced any number of ordinary people too, including family friends. I know it's nothing compared to health but there were people who lost money they couldn't afford to.

[@looking4things669]

@@randomhumanoidblob4506 That is true. She was an equal opportunity con woman

[@calebwalker1]

Her voice is so calming and soothing. Like steel wool on the skin.

[@melissaschubert1653]

As a teacher of teenagers for 20 years, her behavior is simply juvenile - a fast talking liar. I would say (after her answers), “So anyway, what is the answer to my simple question??” Ugh

[@ForeverSweetx3]

Ahaha! This is so true. I'm a teacher too and I say the same to my students when they avoid the question. I'm too busy to try to figure out what you are trying to say. So answer the question I asked and don't make me stif through it. 😑

[@melissaschubert1653]

We are the real time body language experts - moms and teachers 😉

[@13Fools]

Not only is her body language off, but she is talking in circles.

[@freqeist]

Her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes IV, was a vice president at Enron, an energy company that later went bankrupt after an accounting fraud scandal.

[@duststorm2699]

Wow. Thank you for posting

[@rebelsnappingturtle5097]

Enron was quite the story. They owed billions. Not sure if anyone served time but the mortgage scam had one scapegoat?

[@Kevynuk]

As Greg would say, "Her blink rate is yesterday."

[@MumaBoo]

LMAO

[@wvrjl]

What she did was HIGHLY DANGEROUS to the public, because her "patients" were not getting accurate diagnosis. That could be life & death.

[@veronicamitchell9378]

True

[@Michael020]

I doubt that crossed her mind....

[@markcheeseman419]

When her voice is getting higher and she realises you see her eyes widen as she thinks about it and you see her adjust and go back to deep. Its so bizarre

[@williamshipley4841]

Being in the laboratory software field, I watched Theranos from the beginning. In theory the technology of small sample testing of a wide number of tests is something that someone may well develop, so I didn't think it was impossible. The first strange thing was the high degree of secrecy, while other companies are developing proprietary diagnostics, no one else has that level of utter secrecy. The big key was the Walgreens deal which got in a small number of sites AND DID NOT EXPAND. If the technology worked, she would have expanded quickly. The fact that didn't happen told me that something was wrong with the technology. When it unraveled, I was shocked about how no one there seemed to know anything about routine laboratory work. There are lots of laboratory technologies. The first thing you have to ask about any laboratory test, no matter what technology you are using, is: Does it provide accurate results. And no one seems to address that. Even in this talk she shifts the discussion about comparing containers, not results. This is a simple process. In fact every laboratory in the country checks the constancy of their results for every test they offer every day. They take two (or three) samples of known value (commercially available) and run them to see if the instrument produces the expected values. It's simple, it's routine. Apparently no one checked that.

[@maryleung1425]

Some day i do believe that there maybe technology for a device that does do multiple tests ...but not all medical tests ..because there is just too many medical tests for the human body .and ..the technology isn ready for that yet ....she was before her time and sold a dream ..and decieved people based on that ...

[@maryleung1425]

U are right every lab checks out new and existing lab equipment ...to make sure they are calibrated properly ...

[@JK-vc7ie]

A lot of people checked that. A lot of people said what you are dashing. Read the book Bad Blood. She just lied and scammed investors. That’s what con artists do. They find victims who aren’t as skeptical as they should be.

[@CopingwithGrattitude]

Once she got some credible people on board by somehow manipulating tiny bits of data and outright lying her way into sounding convincing, greed consumed the rest. FOMO, as the book says.

[@RachelWrites]

Isn’t it kind of sad that women feel the need to make their voices deeper to be seen as more masculine, and therefore, more respected?

[@plainjane8920]

Mark, I am 75 and have worn turtlenecks for years; I live in the snow belt; my younger self for warmth, my older self to cover my wrinkles.

[@csc8697]

​@@richardvinsen2385 also in her seating of her leg crossing like a man.

[@stevehall4771]

After seeing this video, I am reminded of 2 things about Elizabeth Holmes. Narcissistic personality disorder - a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. And a bit of Antisocial personality disorder - a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to purposely make others angry or upset and manipulate or treat others harshly or with cruel indifference. They lack remorse or do not regret their behavior. Odd thing that she started a family during her trial....

[@lisamarielund6292]

Scott: “She’s getting on my last nerve”. Hilarious. Too bad her parents never told her that when she was growing up. I get the feeling that her parents treated her like a special little princess and never called her out on her lies & b.s.

[@Cherokee51774]

That's what I say about AOC. I'm so sure she was told how special she is when she should've been told to shut up once in a while.

[@TheKoolbraider]

Showing my age here: the original tv series "Hawaii 5-0" had a two part story about a lady doctor who developed a test using a single drop of blood to tell health conditions. In the court scene at the end Jack Lord gives her a supposed sample of his blood. After she comes up with results he reveals it's just a spot of tomato juice. Probably in the late '60's or 70's.

[@julieprior3126]

How wonderful! I didn't see that episode but I wish I had.

[@beautifulwaterfall222]

She must have caught an old rerun- that sounds like it was the inspiration for her "genius" invention. Well, after the diagnostic & cure patch idea got laughed out of dodge, that is.

[@monikayounan9452]

Greg Hartley is GANGSTA!! the world would be a better place with more men like him

[@lubabe9969]

I think they're all great me, we need More like them.

[@joniatoms9798]

Agree!

[@geraldjensen9399]

Yet, do wonder what he does while spending most of his time on Wall Street? Is he coaching criminal bankers on how to avoid law suits and jail time for their crimes?

[@theangriestoftabbies]

Ultimate alpha

[@rachell7682]

@@geraldjensen9399 just watching Inside Job on Netflix. We all know they're crooks but the full extent of it is shocking. Also Dirty Money . There seems no end to the greed.

[@mariahiller]

It's really quite impressive for someone to have gotten these four major experts together.

[@HandmadeDarcy]

Scott’s question as to how she got those first few influential investors, and all of your general shock at why these people invested is answered when you understand she wasn’t approaching these men as a CEO or even inventor or engineer; she approached these men - who were powerful but, critically, not VCs - as a favoured grand daughter. Watch her with Bill Clinton and you’ll see it loud and clear. This is a “one of us” operation - which she herself was probably genuine about at first, because outrageously privileged people like her (daughter of one of the Enron criminals, don’t forget) believe in their own genius, and even more in the genius of the fruit of their loins. They believe that coming from wealth is a proof of character, of intelligence, of competence, rather than simply of luck. Her older, friends-of-the-family investors like Schultz knew her to be “one of them” probably knew her growing up - they wouldn’t dream of questioning her as they would a stranger from a different socio-economic group.

[@lvrichardson7966]

You're awarded Best Comment so far! I agree 100%. To build on your thoughts though, I would add there is no shame in elder family and acquaintances supporting and encouraging younger members, especially grandfathers to granddaughters. This is a time honored practice. But this young woman used this granddaughter role to use these men to her advantage.

[@dumbartonyankee]

I believe she initially appealed to some people in the guise of seeking mentorship. I can't remember the details from the podcast I listened to some time back. It was when she was still an undergrad and before she deepened her voice. She likely inspired the male protective instinct and appealed by her general air of precociousness.

[@joane24]

That's a great observation! I was wondering something similar, but couldn't put it into words. She seemed to me like a kid, such a young face, but it's not really about her age, you're exactly right, it's the "granddaughter vibe", TOTALLY.

[@amerdawoud5842]

It is easy to laugh at her body language after she was busted, but could you have laughed before she was busted? So, you are interpreting any movement as an indication that she is lying, but that is after you knew that. Try to apply your knowledge to other CEOs and predict whether they are lying or not.

[@pjj.5649]

Of course, CEOs are lying about their products, performance, and ongoing expense, can you say APPLE merchandise. The purpose of advertising is to create a need where there is none. The consumer/audience's job is to question everything all the time, which most people don't do. Check your kitchen or workshop, how many things do you have purchased, or freebies that duplicate the same function. Got a butter knife?

[@mjuk9621]

Would love the panel to analyse British Mick Philpott & his wifes TV plea , both convicted of setting fire to own house with their 6 kids in .

[@briansim1648]

Right off the bat, she’s ideal for a scam like this. Not overly attractive, soft spoken, non intimidating apparel, comfortable with the lean in while speaking, lack of humorous reactions, appearance of being drained due to long working hours. She is the Poster Girl for Flim Flam, thank you Ma’am!

[@phcalama]

She didn't surround herself with experts. Quite the opposite. She surrounded herself with powerful and super rich people.

[@Freida657]

Chase, thank you SO MUCH for pointing out that you think she is copying the behavioral and vocal patterns of Barack Obama!! Every single time I’ve watched her, she kept reminding me of someone and I couldn’t figure it out! You nailed it! Thanks to all of you for sharing your amazing talents with us ‘ordinary people!”

[@debibrewster9080]

She idolized Steve Jobs, and tries to emulate him

[@artandminisbyvilma8116]

These guys are great. But I would like to add something here, because they are all men and none have being raised to be women. Speaking of culture, it is part of the feminine culture to sit straight and with your legs together (for formal occasions like an interview.) That's why lots of women cross their legs while they are sitting. The fact that she seats slouching, with her legs open, one leg bent over the other knee, is aggressively masculine and fits in with the Steve Jobs outfit and the deep voice. She is seriously taking on a masculine presence to begin with, because she commands more influence and power that way, at least in her view.

[@NadDew]

i agree with you, I was wondering how they didn't mentioned it, but I guess maybe she acts this way because no one took her seriously or maybe someone harassed her so she's doing this as a way to protect herself, cause you know being evil doesn't protect you from other evil. and can you honestly blame her??! (acting in a very masculine way I mean not the other things) think about it when you wears and act in very feminine way what the first thing comes to a man mind?? thank god most of them get their s**t together and realize that we aren't chimpanzees anymore but there's those who don't. (I don't know maybe I have bad experiences but I think most of woman had those experiences)

[@necabibi3558]

She's talking low because it was proven that people listen to lower voices more and can tune out when the hear higher voices. particularly men. Men tend to tune out when listening to higher voices. My mum tried it with my brothers without them knowing, and it actually worked. They listen more and we're more obedient. She was shocked

[@shelflife8075]

I want you guys to do Tom Cruise.

[@dqverify6797]

Ooooh, that would be good!

[@looking4things669]

God, I used to be his biggest fan until he started fighting with everyone who wasn't a Scientologist.

[@dqverify6797]

@@looking4things669 It's disappointing, isn't it? I find him so likable onscreen, and I used to think he was IRL just kind of dumb and lonely, but the $cilo interview and the info we've discovered about him being gifted custom vehicles and having his personal hangar decorated with what is basically slave labor, that there is no way he can't be aware is slave labor...and even if he somehow isn't/wasn't aware, how can anyone be comfortable with parishioners from their church doing free custom work on their cars and decorating their hangar? How can anyone be comfortable with that kind of treatment from their church?? Martin Sheen goes to Mass at his local church every Sunday just like everybody else, and here's Tom Cruise having $cilons plant fields of flowers specifically for him to run through and thinking that's a totally fine and normal and reasonable thing, and claiming that if there's a car accident he is the only one who can truly help. That's just a level of arrogance that's beyond the pale.

[@looking4things669]

@@dqverify6797I'm so disappointed in him. One birthday many years ago my friends pitched in for a signed pic of Tom Cruise. I once treasured it, now I have no idea where it is. Lol

[@shelflife8075]

@@JetPackDino Literally lol

[@normavonammon5530]

Mark's impersonations are priceless!!!

[@DGR57]

Brilliant

[@tinamailhiot6788]

I love watching Chase while Mark speaks.

[@gina-leehutchin1231]

Me too. It would make a great Meme. Find someone who looks at you the way Chase looks at Mark :)

[@thomasmarthinussen8978]

I can listen to these 4 guys all day. Easily one of the finest KZbin channels! Great content and great analysis!

[@JK-vc7ie]

You can boil this down to one thing. If a person answers the key fundamental simple direct questions with a bunch of jibber jabber and misdirection, then run away. Not to say that there aren’t sometimes complicated answers that are legit, but certain key questions demand a simple answer.

[@sole__doubt]

Well said. I cant beleive she fooled anyone with her behavior, its so obvious. :)

[@eriksimpson7839]

She has crazy eyes. No need for further analysis.

[@cdow9032]

When Chase said he thought she'd copied Barak Obama's style I got chills! She's creepy.. The things she says that don't even make sense,talking in circles, that voice, and those eyes. I'm with Scott, I don't see how anyone could fall for what she's selling. When I saw her on 60 minutes, I got a huge sense of scary, so I enjoyed your analysis. You guys are awesome!

[@Teddyclaws]

I think if the words were transcribed and separated from the mannerisms, people would have recognized the BS sooner.

[@2451Yvonne]

We are on the same page.

[@PrincessofErised]

Her mannerisms, dress, deep voice, speaking style, seating stance (with leg propped in boy style), and even her unkempt hairstyle, are the same things I adopted when I was a little girl upon hearing my father say he wanted a boy. Didn't really work, he still wanted one. Oh and that non-blinking thing is creepy as hell. EDIT: Ok, this is happening a lot. I post these comments way before the video finishes, then at some point, every word is repeated by you guys. Maybe I am in the wrong profession. ;)

[@sole__doubt]

Holmes NEVER says three important words, "I don't know." Except in her deposition, where she says over 600 times. :)

[@alabama.worley]

Scott, analyzing psychopaths who've been outed is never boring! I've been waiting for this one. Many thanks guys! P.S. Another request for Israel Keyes coming your way.

[@graciegee6317]

I was interested to Chase's comments about identifying traits of narcissists, followed by a separate comment by Mark about people being just too polite to call others out or to actually challenge what a person is saying and I wondered if this was something that a narcissist relies on to 'get away' with a lot of what they do? ETA: I see a LOT of similarities between how Elizabeth speaks and conducts herself and Meghan Markle, they are like two peas in a pod, even down to "doing what is the right thing" and the grandiosity. Meghan won't accept direction either.

[@julietcoates8561]

She is a sad example of todays society in that someone can talk absolute rubbish but if they do it convincingly people believe what they say.

[@jhart1127]

It's happened since the beginning of time. Snake oil salesmen.

[@anniejae]

OMG when the camera froze on Scott while Chase was talking around the 1 hour and 1 minute mark. I had taken a sip of water, then I lost it, started laughing hysterically, and water went up my nose and sprayed out of my mouth! I haven't had one of those moments in awhile. Chase's facial expression and laughing got me. Hahahaha.

[@GodListens77]

Haha yeah he was funny today 😅

[@trevorthetherapist4200]

If all of these high powered people are part of her board of directors, what the heck does a board of directors even do? They can’t ferret out a scammer with all of their “experience”. They sound incompetent!

[@cannab-al9582]

Or they were part of the scam but made sure to cya

[@pjj.5649]

@@cannab-al9582 so true, can't put anything past them. The saying goes, the fish rots from the head down.

[@unicornenthusiast]

mark bowden @ 14:20 you just won my trust stood out and gained credibility. 😍

[@marvin95]

@1:08:15 - after the interviewer asked "is it TRUE?", she got lost, her voice was shaking, about 15 seconds later she looked down and her eyes screamed terrified, I thought she was about to burst in tears; she did that few more times later on; in both interviews she was dancing around the questions a lot, she wanted not to admit anything bad, and make good impression to spark confidence in the audience, but few times her voice was shaking and breaking and face expressions were plain creepy 😅

[@muvisko2]

It blew my mind when I heard one of the panelists say she is mimicking Barack Obama. I have been watching many videos of her and this is the first time I realized that.

[@hannahpumpkins4359]

My mother and father were both diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I learned early on not to believe anything they said, because they would lie lie lie lie about anything and everything if it suited them. They'd present a wonderful appearance to those in the community, etc - but at home they were demons; pure evil. My mother died in 2008, and to this day one of her old friends is still, "your mother was a saint - one of the kindest and best people to ever walk this planet"! Um, no, she was absolutely terrible...

[@susanl8478]

Hannah ... So sorry you had to deal with this kind of 'mind f---ing' as a child. Do you find, now, that you are particularly sensitive ... do you have good 'radar' ... for people like your parents and how do you deal with this?

[@looking4things669]

My mom was like that as well. My healing began the day I stopped organizing & managing her fan club. True story

[@susanl8478]

Good analogy!!!!! Congrats on having the strength to do that!!!!!

[@looking4things669]

Also maybe you can relate.. after resigning as her biggest fan, my mother gave me the evil eye and cold shoulder on her death bed.

[@susanl8478]

@@looking4things669 Scary and sad ... but reality.

[@littleblackbabycat]

How anyone took her seriously or invested in her without proof etc is beyond me.

[@2451Yvonne]

Greed was the little index finger beckoning all of the participants, especially all of those prominent investors.

[@YtheTie]

"Do you think your Company is worth nine Billion?" "Well, thats for Investors to decide" No its not. You need to know the value of your Company and what Potential buyers (a.k.a. are willing to Pay for it). Pushing that question towards the Investors basically proclames that "my company is worth whatever I can make others believe its worth". Very concerning answer...

[@mysticjen379]

Just shows how fake she is.

[@ericolemrk5826]

Almost like listening to a politician, i have no clue whats she says.

[@ellie1597]

Every time she answers a question I forget what the actual question was by the end of her answer 🚩🚩🚩 👁 👄 👁 🚩🚩🚩

[@FurtiveFool]

I would love to sit and listen to a full-blown Scott Rouse rant about something that really vexes him :)

[@zeerohour8129]

Un-self-censored full blown..hehehe

[@susannemontagnemslmtryt7885]

Her eyes look like two hard boiled eggs. I think 🤔 the tip-off with con artists is that they seem odd or wierd, and then you tell yourself you shouldn't judge them for being odd or wierd.

[@stxnn9914]

A pretty big tip off is what she was doing. "Give me money and I'll make the world a better place. I'm *only* doing this to help people. Don't you want to help people? And get rich while doing it?". Yet somehow making the world better requires making her a billionaire. Same shtick as the the Ftx guy.

[@burghdewd]

The fake deep voice, the male leg cross, the big watch, the Steve Jobs look, and the hair pulled back, all of it is her presenting herself in a masculine way as part of her act to appear convincing and intimidating.

[@HopefulInterventions]

Wow! I thought I was the only one who noticed her masculine like mannerisms.

[@Alina-ci3fb]

I honestly don’t feel bad for the investors. They invested in a medical company ran by a 19 year old college dropout. 19 year olds can have great ideas and make great businesses, but in medicine? No way, not without the proper education. Lil ol’ me knows this, millionaires and billionaires should too.

[@patriciaaznavourian3014]

Investors in this case let their greed get the best of them. Probably learned a life lesson.

[@sandygrogg1203]

Guys… I just learned that my nephew by marriage…who is employed by the Cleveland Clinic …. Awas the one who kept EB. out of The Cleveland Clinic. He didn’t trust it… I’m so proud..

[@susannabonke8552]

A man with clear thoughts

[@paulferrari3921]

Yah. I've been through a half dozen FDA inspections on the food manufacturing side. No company "volunteers to work with the FDA so they can learn about what you do." You let them in or they get a court order to shut down your facility.

[@dimplesd8931]

😂 so true.

[@joebobmerica4443]

I'm certainly no expert on body language, but I know the crazy eyes when I sees em.

[@ralphgriffin2785]

I know...that's a great poster for the video!

[@sabat8068]

Hahahahaha.... That was funny :D

[@joelhammer3538]

20/20 hindsight. Would be more interesting if theyd done this before she was outed as a fraud.

[@CyclingDinosaur]

She says "Absolutely!" while shaking her head "NO"

[@zadieb5273]

Incongruent!

[@michaelattia9834]

People notice this Holmes body language only after she was exposed.

[@marikiemarie7622]

No. They noticed. They just didn't want to say anything out loud.

[@alec4623]

The voice is the strangest I've ever heard along with some serious bed head.

[@peggystoutemorin4529]

She's just plain frowsy! Whatever look she was going for didn't work.

[@maitepill]

What about her hair?! That pose of "I´m too smart to get my hair done and be sexy, I´m beyond that"... I watch you guys every week fron Argentina, I´m practising my english with you

[@ForeverSweetx3]

I was just about to ask why is her hair such a mess. This makes so much sense.

[@reecewillmott-rice4360]

Good for you man! Keep at it

[@Martina-sw7hl]

I can't be a fraud because my hair's a mess kinda vibe... Now, if my hair was great too, that would be too much for you mortals to handle.

[@pamelaearl7191]

That is a part of her look. I am a business woman not a dolly bird.

[@loisdiamond5674]

She is one of the most interesting Eps for me because she is so unusual she’s almost scary! ALSO - someone needs to do a ‘forgot to unmute’ complication!!

[@susanjacomb9614]

Underpinning everything she says is her profound arrogance and her belief that the person she is speaking to is not very bright.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

So, did you guys see that the missing 4-year-old girl in West Australia was found safe?

[@ericolemrk5826]

I hope the child did not suffer trauma. however chances are slim. I dont think the kidnapper did his crime without a motive. Poor child.The parents must go trough hell.

[@maureeningleston1501]

I think the majority of us thought she had been murdered, so this news is amazing, I'm sure a lot of people will raise a glass to toast the joy of this outcome.

[@ericolemrk5826]

@@maureeningleston1501 Im more of a realist, FBI says in the first 24 hrs most victims are killed. i believe he did not kill her for a reason.

[@ericolemrk5826]

I hope there is a support team around the parents and the child get all medical help possible.

[@regaltilapia]

I don’t think she considers herself a fraud at all. She is so self assured she considers any doubting question as arrogant and ignorant.

[@julesjaay822]

She has her own personal ‘reality distortion field’ going on. Steve Jobs successfully pushed the envelope by bending reality to his will, but he always seemed sane while Holmes kind of doesn’t.

[@TwentiethCenturyFoxy]

Ok, starting at the 1:00:00 mark, Scott is UNBELIEVABLE! This is the most incredible thing I have seen in a long time, and I watch a lot of KZbin. Just watch him for two minutes - well done Scott!