💥What's REALLY Behind Virginia McCullough's BIZARRE Behavior?

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

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[@Dudestar99]

Please do a behavior analysis on Kamala Harris' Brett Baier Interview on Fox

[@vivio2852]

Ground News it’s an aggregator and uses AI. It’s making money off the reporting and hard work of all those news organizations-reporters, editors, and so on-but not giving any of that revenue it generates back to the sources.

[@ellenmogensen5698]

@@vivio2852 Correct! Aggregation of mainstream garbage... is still garbage.

[@ellenmogensen5698]

Don't see the link to the pdf of the NCI Animal Behavior Chart.

[@derangedhermit7981]

@@ellenmogensen5698 I was going to ask for it as well. Google can't find it nor can ChatGTP.

[@patriciau6277]

The fact that no other family members (in four years) bothered to find out the truth. Says a lot about the whole family.

[@ellaketchell7730]

As an Aussie Mark, that whole accent walk-thru was both interesting and awesome!!! 🎉 Good on ya mate!!!

[@Lewisiaable]

They say you learn something every day hey, even I didn’t know that

[@sandyhamilton5295]

Women on the spectrum are usually high masking in social skills. That’s why they are woefully underdiagnosed.

[@sandyhamilton5295]

I’m not suggesting a diagnosis. It’s just food for thought. In my nearly 40 years of teaching, all the girls with ASD I taught were mainstreamed. All ASD students who were served in an exclusive class were boys.

[@TimelyCookie]

​Agreed. I am autistic and to me, this woman's behavior screams autism to me.

[@sandyhamilton5295]

@@TimelyCookie I highly suspect autism for myself. Eye contact is an exhausting effort to me. Not enough? Too much?

[@darbydelane4588]

Thank you for speaking up for us (high-masking autistic women).

[@darbydelane4588]

@@sandyhamilton5295 I appreciate your speaking up for high-masking autistic girls and women. I didn’t get a diagnosis until age 58.

[@Ruth78620]

I want to know why she gave her father a "peaceful" death but used a knife and hammer on her mother? Now the other 3 children are proclaiming to be "devestated" where tf were they for 4 years?? I don't hear from my elderly mother for a day and I'm going for a visit!

[@EllusivePancake]

Really important point that I don’t see comments on is that Autism is a spectrum- like the circular color spectrum. You can have deficits in other areas than social communication. It’s also very normal for females with Autism to be very good at masking. (Copying what others do/expect them to do.) This is a learned strategy to try and fit in. It starts in childhood.

[@aldelandpomeranze9249]

100% correct.

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

❤👍

[@richardmanoogian8513]

I’m surprised she didn’t offer them a cup of tea

[@saraking6527]

@@richardmanoogian8513 absolutely 🫖 rude not to ❣️

[@jlis96]

Women on the spectrum are often a lot better at socialising, they are socially savvy, give a lot of eye contact and know how to express through tone and social expression. They are often questioned if they are actually on the spectrum. They present differently than men, it is important not to compare them to male presentations.

[@joygibbons5482]

True. I’m diagnosed but some people I know are shocked I’m autistic as I have pretty good social skills. The psychologist who identified it (on Wednesday, and I’m 66 years old) commented that I “present” well, via a lifetime of masking

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

👍❤️

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

As an autistic woman myself, people are often very surprised at my reactions/lack of reaction to things, or my rather ‘logical’ approach to otherwise emotionally charged situations. Personally I feel like the emotions aren’t going to help a situation (a I can see coming) so I stuff them. As long as the situation is foreseeable, I can plan ahead and be calm. It is the unforeseen, un-planned events that can upset me to the point where I sometimes can’t even speak or I start crying etc.

[@rubymcrae1]

Unflappable. I have often heard people remark that nothing shocksme. It actually does but I hide it until I understand it.

[@Tytyyorkie]

There’s a quiet respect I see in Chase when Mark speaks. Everyone here has a lot of mutual learnings and training but there’s a perspective from Mark that may be a new view to the others. I love this about their different backgrounds 😊

[@aaroncarson1770]

If the constable hadn't changed "cupboard" to "wardrobe" she wouldn't have signed the confession.

[@ozzietad666]

Females with asd sometimes have better eye contact- girls are often socialised more. They can also “mask” to appear more normal.

[@Astrophobia88]

When i hear an Essex accent now, i can't unhear the Australian in it. I didn't know that about Australia and the boats from Essex. You learn something new every day!

[@shabbysuzannah3702]

Yet on another episode Mark told us that the question sort of ending of sentences was due to “criminals” from Norfolk😳 I worked with a lady many many years ago from east London and I originally thought that she was an Australian. Let’s just leave our Australian relatives and their speech alone, it’s their’s and they own it btw what a fabulous country Australia is 👍👍❤️🇬🇧

[@Tamar_H]

It’s not right. Boats did leave from this area but the accent was much different in those days. Essex has a lot of London in it. It’s probably the London accent that feeds into the Australian one.

[@lizb4156]

​@@Tamar_HNo.

[@AmandaMakeUpAndMore]

@@Tamar_H boats left from Portsmouth and Plymouth... Look it up guys!

[@EvilGrapefruit]

​@@Tamar_H Essex has london in it now, because people from the east end moved to Essex after ww2. Essex historically is much more aligned with East Anglia

[@kathryna5912]

Women check to see if their mascara is smearing, not checking to see if there are tears. We KNOW there are tears, but we don’t want ”raccoon eyes”.

[@stevepeterson5943]

Yay, I'm a dude and wondered if she was checking for smudges, not tears. Gonna give myself points there : )

[@An_Drea_Calling]

Mark is such a treasure! I always leaen something new from him.

[@RebeccaSmith-z4z]

Mark you did AUS way better than Meryl Streep and her “a dingo took my baby” Ya nailed it

[@chebbohagop]

Thank you for the accent demonstration, Mark!!

[@carriepriegel6477]

Agree ☺️👍 fascinating! Love learning such things and all the other great stuff we learn from you gents.

[@joshlynch6]

As an Aussie myself, Mark nailed the accent

[@lb8012]

I really appreciate what Chase just said about labels. We do tend to get a little attached to labels and or whatever gives us a sense of mastery or control.

[@LauraNixon1]

@@lb8012 yep. I would love us to all go back to just describing people rather than summarising in one seemingly simple label. The DSM has changed a lot since I studied it, but people are just as broad as they used to be. Pretty sure the diagnosis of schizophrenia was even removed for a few years, then reintroduced 🙄 There's still Psychiatrists arguing ADHD in adults isn't a thing, like having a physically more developed amygdala and crap neurotransmitter function is something anyone is going to magically grow out of. It's all just debate to create neat little categories when neat little easily-defined people just don't exist 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@stevepeterson5943]

Yeah, there's a name for that, people who wanna label everything, what is that? ; )

[@LauraNixon1]

@@stevepeterson5943 omg there should be one. Let's create one: Label Euphoria Disorder 😂

[@tammysquire6992]

Just in case anyone else missed it, when she leads the one officer into the back room it's because she wants to show him the bed her father is buried under. You can see the bed when the officers first bust in, with pictures/photos on it. Then in the later video where she mentions and points towards her grandad's pictures, and later when she's wafting the air, they are standing in that back room with the bed in. I think at this point one of the other officers is moving the pictures off the bed (prompting her to mention them) and I'm guessing he's removing the covers and probably disturbing the smell...hence the wafting.

[@CriticalThinkIt]

@@tammysquire6992 I agree ☝🏻

[@corycashman6437]

Females with ASD have different symptom presentations than males. They DO make eye contact. Symptoms present more in social situations you can notice some what's inappropriate or not fitting with the situation behaviors and a flat affect....for example like she seemed very comfortable at the prospect of getting arrested no emotion really... that's a female autistic trait. My daughter was born in 24 weeks gestation I had done some research on autism but it was previous to the research on the females being put out there my daughter ended up diagnosing herself at age 11 when I brought her into the doctor to be tested she showed to be pretty moderately autistic... The presentation is completely different than in males and in early research they only did research on males.

[@darbydelane4588]

Thank you for speaking up for us (high-masking autistic women).

[@soladeo12]

You guys - ASD looks absolutely different, and individually unique, in females than in males! That is why girls are so frequently under diagnosed.

[@bobbymurphy4384]

Absolutely GREAT episode, guys. The entire country over here (uk) is in shock. Hard to fathom this occurring in a good neighbourhood to good people by their daughter of all people.

[@CoffeeBreakMysteries1]

I LOL when Chase talks about the danger of applying labels to very complex behaviour and then Scott immediately starts spit-balling labels....

[@gigistrailsandtales7203]

People with ASD at this level of functioning are excellent at holding eye contact…especially women.

[@Aminda-f4e]

It’s true

[@corycashman6437]

My autistic daughter has severe anxiety. Looking at her you would never know she's having a panic attack. I can tell by her breathing rate changing plus she clenches her fists. Females with ASD have a different symptom presentation. They DO make eye contact but show as rather flat most of the time I have to play detective to realize how my daughter is feeling it doesn't show!

[@nattikatti3382]

People who have masked their autism find ways to break eye contact and make it look less obvious. It's a coping mechanism that we use when we know we are in a situation where eye contact will be prolonged.

[@KatieB1995]

Mark, your Aussie accent is pretty top tier. 😂

[@mazaltov4621]

This was a great episode guys! FYI- many of her behaviors are quite consistent with a late- diagnosed woman with ASD! It’s extremely common for them to “mask” or camouflage their autistic traits! Masking is sometimes referred to as ‘camouflaging’, ‘social camouflaging’, ‘compensatory strategies’ and ‘passing’. Many autistic people learn how to mask by observing, analysing and mirroring the behaviours of others - in real life or on TV, in films, books, etc. Many even search out ways where they can learn more about these things, like a KZbin channel where 4 experts analyse body language and behaviour! Masking is a strategy many employ consciously or unconsciously, to appear non-autistic in order to blend in and be more accepted in society. It can occur in formal situations such as at school or work and in informal situations such as at home with family or socialising with friends. Kids/adults often will mask at school/work but drop the mask at home when they’re comfortable with family. Often it can seem as if they are two totally different people, often well behaved at school/work but very difficult or just exhausted when they get home. It is exhausting for them to constantly camouflage everything about who they are when not at home because it’s any extreme form of hyper-vigilance. Also, extreme sensory sensitivities can be difficult to ignore (bright lights that hum, temperature extremes, tags in clothing, a rock in the shoe, loud noises etc) and overwhelm or dysregulation the autonomic nervous system! Autistic people have described masking as: hyper-vigilance for and constant adaptation to the preferences and expectations (whether expressed, implied or anticipated) of the people around you tightly controlling and adjusting how you express yourself (including your needs, preferences, opinions, interests, personality, mannerisms and appearance) based on the real or anticipated reactions of others, both in the moment and over time. Examples of this, which may be done consciously or unconsciously, include: -using facial expressions, perhaps by mirroring others’, that wouldn’t come naturally to you forcing yourself to make eye contact or monitoring how much eye contact you are making changing speech or tone of voice, for example by using less direct phrasing, or being more or less animated suppressing, reducing or hiding stimming (such as hand flapping or echolalia), or switching to less noticeable stims such as playing with a pen reducing visible reactions to sensory sensitivities (for example being very sensitive to touch but not flinching or wincing when someone shakes your hand) -planning in advance what you want to say to someone (known as ‘scripting’), which you may or may not find difficult to adapt in the moment based on their responses -asking more questions than you may be comfortable with or interested in not sharing interests due to a concern that they may be perceived as inappropriate or unusual (for example due to the person’s age) -mirroring dress sense and other elements of appearance. They also learn to create comfort in whatever situation or environment they find themselves in. So they may direct conversation in ways that paint them favourably or to take pressure off of them. Conflict is extremely uncomfortable and being “exposed” for behaviour or thoughts they think they shouldn’t have can be intolerable. Above all, it’s crucial to tell then truth about EVERYTHING, which can be almost pathological ( like this woman with needing to say the correct time she found her dad dead). The need for justice is usually apparently, so her saying that it will bring her “a bit of peace” is an understatement. The way she is unemotional is very typical and it can often appear as if they have a flat affect. At times they can also seem emotionally detached because they have a hard time identifying their emotions so they learn to separate emotion from what they’re doing or saying. They are great at compartmentalisation and can detach emotions at will or dissociate. Some have a difficult time when experiencing emotions as they feel them so intensely and it’s always imperative to avoid distressing emotions in front of others! It can definitely seem at times almost psychopathic! The older someone is diagnosed they more they tend to mask. The majority have been through the gammet of psychiatric diagnoses, Bipolar, OCD, PTSD, Anorexia Nervosa, BPD, substance use, or some combination of these. ADHD often co-occurs as well. They need a lot of alone time, to regulate themselves and many will not be able to be gainfully employed, so often residing with their parents into adulthood! When they aren’t diagnosed until adulthood, self-esteem will usually be low and most sustain trauma throughout their early and midlife which makes it even more complicated. Many autistic women have been victims of domestic abuse and/or sexual assault. It’s a brutal way to live because they feel like they are different from early in childhood and feel like they never have fit in. Many are told they aren’t trying hard enough in school and have co-occurring dyslexia, dyspraxia (a coordination disorder) and a whole host of other issues that make them feel like they aren’t inherently good enough. Their executive functioning can be impaired and judgement can be lacking (ADHD). Many have a host of chronic health challenges like auto immune disorders, GI problems, Chronic Fatigue and hypermobile joints. This is all a recipe for experiencing trauma in often benign situations as well. There’s so much more, but I’ll stop here! I was diagnosed with Asperger’s/ ASD AT 53 and experienced almost all of this in my own life! I started studying psychology in high school as I wanted to understand behavior and why many members of my family acted they way they do (especially my mum!). Autism is known to be genetic and I was the fourth member of my family to be diagnosed (and there’s at least 3 more highly suspected!) Eventually I earned my BA in psychology, then a BS in nursing and became a psychiatric nurse! As I was evaluated at 3 and knew my IQ was high, I never gave up in finding answers! I figured out the autism piece about two years before I was diagnosed and now my entire life finally makes sense. Back in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s girls were rarely diagnosed because they present differently (as described above.) Now more women and teenage girls are diagnosed but each one that slips through undiagnosed is a tragedy.

[@Lahickman]

I came to say the same thing but you explained it better than I ever would have, thank you 🙏 I’m late dx AuDHD - I make eye contact a lot, people think I’m very sociable and outgoing but that’s due to a lifetime of conditioning which comes at a huge cost to my physical and emotional well-being.

[@gagalady7430]

@TheBehaviorPanel please read this post!

[@memmy552]

Mark does a perfect Australian accent!!

[@rebeccamoon5766]

As an autistic woman, I can understand her behaviour (the arrest, not murdering her parents). For me, and for many other autistic people, we can be extremely matter-of-fact even in very difficult circumstances, as long as they make sense to us. Commit crimes = get arrested and go to jail. Many of us have an appreciation for rules and find comfort and a sense of order in seeing rules enforced consistently, even if we're the one who violated them. In my experience, at least, autistic people are more anxious about misunderstanding or being misunderstood. Here everyone is on the same page about what is happening and why. I think the sarcasm was an inappropriate attempt at levity because she could see the officer was stressed.

[@Meritouschannels]

I am high functioning ASD and although I agree with what you have to say as to her affect, I disagree with your finding. I believe she is neurodivergent but only in her presentation and ability to compartmentalize, her agenda driven manipulation is a bit further up the ladder toward psychopathy.

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

@@rebeccamoon5766 Yes! Exactly. Crime = Arrest and jail, so, here we are at the arrest part. Let’s get this over with.

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

@@rebeccamoon5766 As an autistic woman myself, people are often very surprised at my reactions/lack of reaction to things, or a rather ‘logical’ approach to otherwise emotionally charged situations. Personally I feel like the emotions aren’t going to help a situation I can see coming, so I stuff them. As long as the situation is foreseeable, I can plan ahead and be calm. It is the unforeseen, un-planned events that can upset me to the point where I sometimes can’t even speak or I start crying etc.

[@rebeccamoon5766]

@@ksthoughtpalace3042 Same here. I can be totally calm in situations that most other people find extremely stressful, but I can also get very upset about "small" things that other people aren't especially bothered by. I expect she's probably miserable in jail, though, between the close quarters, bright lights, slamming doors etc etc.

[@kellyfraser4673]

The love between you guys is adorable, like brothers or best friends, all different ascents so clearly from different walks of life, but 100% family vibes, love it. Thanks for another great one, 👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻

[@Whatever-ow4bg]

She wanted to make sure they found the right bodies

[@SoaprettyMaryAnn]

Oh Mark that Aussie accent you do is 👌- a bogan version albeit, but spot on 😂😂

[@WendyButt-h4c]

Totally! 🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@TheCaliReadingTeacher]

Cant wait for your analysis of Kamala’s interview with Bret Baier!

[@juicyjules7409]

Yes plz do

[@Lizwidi]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jaguar5455]

@@LizwidiTrump 2024🇺🇸💫♥️🙏

[@hazeldaniells2427]

I’m not an expert but you guys probably don’t know that a tearful woman will always wipe her eyes and then look at her finger to see if she has smudged her mascara. Even killers don’t want to look like raccoons! 😀

[@ozzietad666]

I think she has asd- she’s being literal and honest- adding the detail on the wardrobe. Trying to joke to make the social situation less serious. She may of course- considering most autistic people are not violent- have a personality disorder, which can also happen with Comorbid things associated with autism. Also- she has probably run this through her head for years and have been preparing for this social situation/ hence she seems systematic and unemotional Also- many autistic people hVe “melt down” or “shut down” I think she’s shut down- prepared- being honest and direct. Also- she may be “feeling” but have planned for this moment- so she wouldn’t “get emotional” for many of us with autism, if we get emotional we can’t speak or think. So we have to try to stay self contained to be able to be able to engage in a stressful situation. The feelings probably came in later. Possibly once alone. None of this means she should get away with it but it could also be a reason she didn’t move the bodies from the house. There are ocd components to autism and many people on the spectrum have trouble getting rid of “stuff” they collect- or just to manage the process of working out how to physically complete a task. Signed/ an autistic female who wouldn’t ever kill anyone- but can recognise someone with honest autistic female style presentation. The “overt cooperation “ could be autism too. Sometimes we are overly honest and over share. There can be a conscientiousness around being honest- even if we have done something bad.

[@ruthrichardson8464]

100% agree with you, especially about the scripting, running through the scenario and all possible outcomes - shutting down her emotions and accessing them once alone! Everything! Couldn’t have put it better myself 👏 (from another autistic female who also would never kill anyone 😊)

[@ozzietad666]

@@ruthrichardson8464 maybe @The Behaviour Panel should check out some Tony Atwood or others who know a bit more about how autistic females present. ( of course there is diversity and we are all different :-;)

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

Thank you thank you for standing up for autistic women, such as myself. These guys missed the mark so badly I can’t even believe it. ‘well since she can’t control,..she said this Because’. NO. What She Says Is Exactly What She Means. Zero subterfuge. Neurotypicals waste so much time attempting to ‘interpret’ what autistics say.

[@StuartHastings]

I'm from Essex and lived around the corner from where this took place (also the same age as her). I've been asked before if I was from Australia, and also met a couple of people from Essex who sounded a bit Aussie - now it makes complete sense! You really know your stuff!

[@shelleyjackson8793]

Mark’s comments about ASD. Lots of us with the condition especially female are very very good at masking and we learn how to respond to different situations. ASD females are really good at this.

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

Right. She is obviously on the spectrum. I think it is much easier for an autistic person to recognize autism, this case is so clear to me.

[@darbydelane4588]

Thank you for speaking up for us (high-masking autistic women).

[@suzette42]

@@ksthoughtpalace3042completely agree

[@Aminda-f4e]

Agreed 👍🏼

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

Very good at ‘acting as if’…but that is so exhausting in the long run. ❤👍

[@sarahharrington5409]

I'm from Essex. You guys should definately visit, certain parts are beautiful! . Been watching you for so long now. I'm not offended Mark, you're right, we can take it 😂

[@anniemac7545]

Mark did a pretty good job of his Aussie accent...It's a hard accent to get right. Watching from Australia.

[@JovanaIvanovic]

I'm smitten with Mark's Aussie accent. Impressive!!!

[@vanessacee4154]

“Am I bovered?!? Just murdered me folks. Cheer up lads.” WOW.

[@issytaylor1721]

😂

[@DonnaMaw]

After she signed her statement, she kept looking at the policeman as if to look for his approval. I wonder if she was annoyed that he didn’t praise her, or seem grateful in some way, and that’s where the sarcastic comment telling him to “cheer up” came from. I think she might have been angry that she didn’t get some form of approval.

[@ilovegodzilla]

Mark’s breadth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

[@GirdsHerStrength]

I just keep wondering what that house smelled like for the first few months. I know what my dad’s house smelled like when he only had mouldy pickles in the cupboard.😳

[@amysusanna214]

I’m catching up but y’all are so delightful, I often tell my husband it’s 4 of the safest strangers I’ve ever seen

[@caitieterasa]

A lot of ASD people have masked long enough to make noticeable eye contact. There are SO many factors for diagnosis, you can’t dismiss ASD just due to the fact she makes eye contact.

[@pattipostcard8489]

To me, she sounded like she had played this scenario out in her head a million times, and to her it was just like a TV show. She was playing a role. She made that comment about not looking 100% like a murderer because she imagined what the police in the TV show might be thinking or saying to each other in another scene. Telling the cop to cheer up because at least he'd caught the bad guy was a clever, ironic line for a killer to say in a TV show. It also seemed to me that she'd thought about what a judge might consider as mitigating factors in sentencing: be cooperative, volunteer information, express a need for justice and a desire for peace (suggesting that she felt guilt or remorse). She's scary.

[@neachristensen2510]

As a female, tear checking on the fingers may be checking to see if makeup has run. Still a problem, but slightly different

[@Sailors30]

I thought that! She rubbed the thumb and finger then looked... classic check for black of mascara

[@Jacqueline-wn8so]

How did she hide the smell? Fluids? It's utterly bizarre 😮

[@MadAmMad49er]

retired therapist here. She may have narcissistic personality disorder. She gloats about "well done you caught the bad guy. I'm the bad guy". The prolonged abuse no doubt would have involved threats of harm if they were non compliant and true narcissistic is partially about control, but more about inflicting and seeing terror or fear on victims. She is now attempting to love bomb the police. The flat affect is about her focus on the officers reactions. He did good to state he had no opinion . I would almost bet on it. But just an experiential opinion guys.

[@kalliope7499]

i was thinking that too, a "vulnerable" or "covert" narcissist as they're called.

[@MadAmMad49er]

she's most likely covert having the ability to fly under everyone's radar. There are several key behavioural moments where she shows keen interest in the reactions of the police. She is brazen in those moments, and pokes the police. She knows and knew what she has committed. Horrific! No doubt the force will have a consultant Psychiatrist assess her, love to be a fly on that wall. May her parents rest in peace now. Again, opinion only given here. I could go on and on, watch again looking for the primary ticks on the diagnostic axis 1 - only feels a rush when she's inflicting fear in others. (I don't have my DSMv so excuse my new terminology)! I concur Kalliope7499

[@nursebjg]

A highly sensitive person (HSP) is someone with a personality trait that makes them more sensitive to physical, emotional, or social stimuli than others. This trait is also known as sensory processing sensitivity (SPS). A conflict avoidance tendency of HSP may result from unpleasant situations being deeply experienced by HSP and these bad feelings reverberating for a long time, sometimes for days, weeks, years. Conflict avoidance can lead some HSP to see or experience injustice and do nothing. This is not to be confused with Austism, but is linked with ADHD, and has high rates of anxiety and depressive episodes. This is not a mental heath diagnosis but a personality style with narcissist traits. My opinion, Psych 20 years...of course you can't truly diagnosis this way but this is what I see. 🤷

[@EnglishMermaid1980]

I’ve never heard of that before but I can relate to all of that. I’m not Autistic but I have been diagnosed with Inattentive ADHD. It’s exhausting, genuinely 😮‍💨

[@paula622]

ADHD seems to be this years trending condition, I am sick of seeing it all over KZbin, I guess other social media platforms are doing the same, Now we have someone who brutally murdered her mother using a hammer and stabbed her eight times with a knife described as highly sensitive, psychologists use the word empathy when referring to hsp, her actions do not match up with your words....make it make sense

[@constancemonte4679]

Thank you Mark! Great explanation of Aussie accent. Love from Portland Oregon

[@AmbienceWorld]

Mark gave the best Aussie accent impersonation, I've ever heard. I'm off now to check Ancestry, to see if I have any Essex ancestors.

[@FlimsyMoon-ju4do]

How can anyone live in a house with two dead bodies?

[@MsFemininity]

Please don't discredit someone's ASD diagnosis just because they seem to behave like a normal person. I have asd AND I had a traumatic childhood. What it gave me is all of the symptoms of asd WITHOUT inability to show and read intentions and emotions. I see them perfectly well, I can see patterns, I live in a permanent state of anxiety because I am looking for signs of danger on people's faces and I constantly look for behaviors/gestures that seem outside what I see as a norm. I taught myself how to avoid danger. How to diffuse negative emotions in others. Of course it can be seen as manipulation tactics, but I see it more as survival skills.

[@LauraNixon1]

@@MsFemininity I'm sorry to read that you're in such a heightened state of hypervigilance all the time. It must be hard to de-escalate your fight, flight, or fawn responses when you're heightened so much of the time. Must be really draining 😔. Do you find it calmer, and a relief to be in your own company and space after socialising?

[@ksthoughtpalace3042]

@@MsFemininity Very well explained, especially how early trauma can transmute our otherwise autistic brains. This could be part of why autistic women have been misdiagnosed for decades.

[@darbydelane4588]

Thank you for speaking up for us (high-masking autistic women).

[@ishihtzuknot1881]

Mark is losing weight..nice

[@Brunot41]

I'm still wondering how she had 2 dead bodies in they're for 4 years and the stench seems completely ignored? Especially if one was in a wardrobe?! 🤢

[@WendyButt-h4c]

I wondered the same 🇦🇺

[@eurekahope5310]

We had a dead animal under our house and looked up how long it would smell to decide if we should get professional removal. It said animals will smell for several weeks. Can we extrapolate that a human will only emit powerful odor for up to a couple months? When we got removal about four days in, apparently beetles scattered everywhere. Even if odor dissipated would the scavenging creatures remain in the home? The whole thing is extremely disturbing.

[@crystaldraper9646]

As a mother of a high functioning autistic child, I see a huge amount of familiar “quirks”. In my experience, it is extremely important for people with ASD that everything be factually accurate. Her correcting the officer about the wardrobe is something she probably does with everyone. She probably would have fixated on the fact that the officer said the wrong word until she was able to correct him. In my opinion. Also, I think the lack of fear or emotion when they first arrive is because, like you said, she expected all of this. But when she see’s the look of sadness on the officers face, she reacts with words that she has possibly seen on TV, or that she has heard other people say. There are so many other things I noticed as well, in regards to neurodivergent behavior. But you guys are the professionals, and your channel has taught me so much! Thank you!

[@kyartah]

Same here, I see a lot of high functioning autism in her. In fact, I've been diagnosed with 40 and this is the first video where I actually totally understand the murderer. She will have gone through all the possibilities in her head over and over in the last years. She will even have gone through the possibilities before she did it a thousend times. She knows what to expect, and yes, details and correct facts are 100% very important to her. HFA ppl do often take "leader" positions, because they are bad in "teamwork". So no wonder that she tries to control the situation. I do have very few ppl I really care about and the others just can't bother me and I legit don't care. So yeah, seeing all her behaviour is totally normal to me 😅 They call her a psychopath... Maybe I am a psychopath too? 🤣

[@ButterflyGirl822]

I love ya'lls insights. It really is a fascinating case. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

[@jessstevens2411]

Haha I hadn't seen your reply here, but I just said very similar things above (have ASD myself) 🥰

[@darbydelane4588]

Well said! Thank you (from a high-masking autistic woman).

[@suzette42]

Spot on (ASD here too 😊 )

[@mirandapodger]

As a very late diagnosed female with an autism diagnosis, I can hold eye contact and act appropriately in social situations too. I've had decades to learn how to mask and act this way. Its not remotely comfortable and it causes a lot of stress, anxiety and exhaustion. And I would imagine that she has rehearsed this interaction/conversation in her head over and over every day since the murders. Women with ASD present differently. I have lost count of how many times I have been told 'you don't look autistic' 😢

[@cstarv]

I do not understand family and friends weren't alarmed from not seeing them for 4 years. I'd consider it highly unusual to have no contact for even 4 months with relatives and friends. Must be a dysfunction family? She's one of the most unusual you have reviewed.

[@sophieallen2100]

@@cstarv Thereby lay the key to why?

[@pamelatopjian]

I think when women look at their hands/fingers after wiping tears, it may be checking for smeared make-up.

[@janinebridges4281]

Yep! And the men always miss that.

[@amythompson2647]

THREE siblings?! FOUR years?? Wth….😮 the digital age has caused us humans to be not so human

[@lizb4156]

4 years goes by really fast and especially if they live in other towns they're not handy to visit either, or maybe they didn't like them how about that?

[@Diana7Hunter]

Mark, I understood your "Do I look bothered" Catherine Tate reference. 👍Well done.

[@alegnalavieenrose8120]

Catherine Tate is as brilliant as she is hilarious.

[@andreasplosky8516]

Not all ASD-ers avoid eye contact. I taught myself to have it. For me, it is more difficult to ascertain when people feel uncomfortable by it. It is quite complicated behaviour, when you have to consciously regulate it.

[@darbydelane4588]

Thank you for speaking up for us (high-masking autistic women).

[@nattikatti3382]

I am suspected of having ASD and i have taught myself to make eye contact.. I also work in customer service.. the lower you are on the spectrum, the likelihood of being able to mask your symptoms is greater. ( My nephew is up the top of the spectrum, and he can barely maintain eye contact)

[@emneeson3419]

It was mentioned

[@fwitcher]

Essex joke for Mark: What's an Essex girl's favourite wine? - "I wanna go ta bluewater!"

[@QwirkyQigong]

😂

[@sadiebella1234]

I ❤❤❤ Mark’s explanation of the Essex to Australia accent!

[@emilymorley3655]

I am a mother if an autistic adult and l can understand that she is autistic , it is very difficult to read a person with autism if one is not a real expert with good experience.

[@darbydelane4588]

Well said. Thank you (from a high-masking autistic person).

[@tabboo0000]

She kept wanting to "show them" I find that so odd.

[@chrisqueen3118]

Is there a history of abuse? Her other siblings don't seem to care about their parents. There might be a reason for that. I knew nothing about this case before this. I wish I'd seen those context videos at the beginning. They gave me important information on the fore-story.

[@lisamarie58103]

Greg, you probably don't remember me but I'm pretty sure I met you while one on my workers was being interrogated in Camp Marez in Mosul, Iraq 2005-2006 (I was Army). There was another man while I was waiting with a mustache and a kitten. Seeing that kitten made my day. I've been a Behavior Panel fan since the beginning and love learning from and laughing along with you guys.

[@KateEleanor]

She has 4 older sisters. Where were they for 4yrs? They said they were "devastated". Not so much. There is a human story here. Thanks guys. Kate@England ❤

[@sophieallen2100]

I think she might be checking for smudged mascara or eyeliner rather than tears.

[@_sowhat_]

That might speak to part of the same idea-- that she's concerned about her appearance perhaps more than she should be in the moment.

[@lisab9734]

The Essex and Australian accent is so interesting ! I’m from Essex and have often had Americans think I’m Australian

[@therianfoxforever]

Same with the Suffolk accent.

[@Opal_Sky]

Specific to the eye contact comment at the beginning of the video: high masking asd folks sometimes make too much eye contact. Or sometimes they are taught to look at the nose, because it looks like you're meeting someone's eyes.

[@nutcracker2916]

As our London / Estuary types say. "it's a fair cop guv"

[@mahler71]

She's had four years to get used to the idea that her parents' bodies are in the bedroom. That's why she so non chalant.

[@suzette42]

Scott, I really appreciate the explanation you presented regarding ASD folks, because I personally have experienced exactly what you talked about. From a personal standpoint, I can definitely concur that being on the spectrum leads to challenges like trying to emulate the proper facial expressions and behaviors that are appropriate for situations. I sometimes feel like I missed out on getting a special manual or training detailing all of the proper reactions and responses needed for human interaction.

[@KateGee-wf8pc]

It could be helpful for people making comments about ADD to look at the history of this diagnosis as a social category and how it pertains to Gender. The symptoms of ASD present differently in women, so much so that they are often ‘miss/un -diagnosed’ . They are able to mask traits typically associated with asd and do not show symptoms such as lack of eye contact, as readily as males do.

[@KateGee-wf8pc]

ASD ! Sorry

[@suzette42]

I completely agree! On the spectrum myself, I have been described as a chameleon because I can mask so well. It is absolutely exhausting, though, so maybe some ASD females have more stamina for masking than I do. I recall in my childhood how I used to secretly (or at least I hope it was) study the facial expressions and behaviors of people in various situations so that I could “play my part properly” when I was among people. My own child, now an adult, is also on the spectrum. It was interesting to witness another being experiencing the same learning process as I had been through, but I was able to at least provide some reassurance that not all people demonstrate or process emotions in the same way. We can outwardly appear very aloof and unconcerned in times of incredible stress, something which I personally have found to be a strength in emergency situations- I worked for decades in healthcare.

[@toaojjc]

​@@suzette42ASD too. Learned facial expressions looking in the mirror

[@geminismom4u]

"Greg's gotta' go pee pee" I can't with you guys. Y'all crack me up everytime!!!! 😅

[@MegaBossmare]

Thanks Mark I love the info about the accent !

[@makermark4]

Gotta keep the teeth close together so you don’t swallow flies

[@meliana751]

My understanding is that handcuffing is different in the UK. For one the handcuffs are different they have a solid portion between them not a chain, also police will generally cuff in the front unless the person seems too aggressive.

[@alexgagnon379]

Greg: *Divulges valuable interogation technic* Scott: Don't be telling that 😳 Also Scott: *Doesn't edit that part out* 😂

[@patriciau6277]

That fact that she keeps referring to her parents as “it” not he/his or she/hers. I find the most telling and disturbing. It seems like the money has run out and she has accepted the inevitable. Her attitude seems more her way of feeling in control of the situation.

[@jenniferhelm2190]

As an Essex girl I loved the Essex talk and the confusion of the rest of the panel about Essex 😂 a culture all of its own!

[@lorrainepalmer2952]

😂😂😂😂

[@AnneAslaug]

💥Dear Behaviour Panel: You start off saying you will look for signs of autism, and then you promptly start ignoring them. The restlessness in her fingers is called "stimming", very common in autistic people, showing no facial affect exrtremely common in autism, explaining a horrendous situation calmly - autistic people are very logical and to the point, key given in the term "neurodivergent", the "innocent" look is most likely "masking" extremely common in adult females with autism and ADHD, hides internal chaos of emotion & confusion. You seem to think the 20 - 25 years old presentation of symptoms in male infants and small boys used as diagnosis-criteria, SUCH AS LACK OF EYE-CONTACT has anything to do with the constantly increasing knowledge of how adult autism & ADHD in females is experienced and presented. Knowledge is knowledge only if it keeps updating.

[@jessstevens2411]

Well said 🙌👍

[@AnneAslaug]

@@jessstevens2411 Thx! 😄

[@kyartah]

Totally agree with all you said!

[@AnneAslaug]

@@kyartah Thx! 😄

[@hannahmitchell87]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@melissawilson1658]

😂😂😂Mr Hughes and Mr Rouse are cracking me up! "It's workin guys" and IMP the aviator glasses are boss!

[@jenisummers7329]

“Are you happy to sign that?” Asked after her confession (murdered her parents).

[@yafajha123ify]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CHASE how do paediatric doctors emotionally cope with sick kids or dying kids

[@tracibourke5229]

Hello from Melbourne, Florida

[@tamastapf9117]

What!? I'm from Melbourne fl!

[@NesMee-gz1rg]

Lol I'm from the Netherlands but I've been there! My husband is from Sebastian, Fl. 😊

[@melg4759]

Chase in his Mark impression: Let’s talk about bracelets 😂😂

[@hannahmitchell87]

43:01 'learned containment' is a synonym for 'high masking' in ASD. It's exhausting. Society has taught Autistic people our natural / instinctive behaviours are unacceptable. Just adding my voice to the other comments encouraging you all to look up how ASD presents differently in high masking & late, un-diagnosed or misdiagnosed people. It's a trip

[@catedempsey5707]

Exactly, we make excellent barristers and doctors because we have learned which expressions are "expected" and which are unusual. When she was crying in the cell, she checked whether she had mascara on her hands. Men don't spot that - they don't wear mascara so they don't imagine that a woman might check to see whether her mascara is running.

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@catedempsey5707 Exactly! I noticed the mascara checking was (understandably) missed by the guys but thought I'd spammed them with enough critical (but hopefully constructive) comments haha. You don't know what you don't know. I love the internet when it's used for good & learning from each other. Chase in particular has taught me so much

[@catedempsey5707]

@@hannahmitchell87 I read the Allan Pease books as a child, because I was diagnosed with nonverbal ASD at age 10 (they were wrong, I'm verbal, in fact very much so). I wanted to understand why people's words did not match what their motions and expressions suggested, because people kept lying to me and expecting me to believe them, which sat badly with me. Decades later I was used to interrogate very dangerous people, because I can spot when people are not telling their idea of the complete truth. But that raises two issues, firstly, we are not mind-readers and cannot spot every bit of missing information (because they haven't conveyed everything) and second,.the best lies contains a kernel of the truth. I think in the future researchers will use more ASD women (in particular) to train AI in recognising deviations from baseline. ASD women notice quite a lot, it's how we masque so effectively. Now, as an adult, it would take someone hours, months or years to identify me as anything other than neurotypical (unless there were very loud noises). The only thing people have commented on is I have less body language generally - they interpret it as "calm".

[@nancypiros9133]

This is unreal to see this woman so calm cool and collect after living 4 yrs with two dead bodies of her parents she killed in the house! Thank you Scott, Mark, Greg & Chase for your breakdown! See you next week as always.

[@dawnchorus7167]

When she is in the police cell, she sounds like a child who has just been told to tell the truth by an adult. Very strange and disturbing woman.

[@medievalladybird394]

"Cheer up ....." sarcasm bordering cynicism, if it had been me. I grew up in an English family using that and irony permanantly and straight-faced in every day life.

[@therianfoxforever]

'Cheer up luv, it might never happen!'.

[@Sulurianxx]

If I had to put my finger on her behaviour in the first couple of videos I think it reflects the UK's culture of over-politeness and apologetic behaviour for causing a fuss or inconvenience, obviously it's totally weird in this context but we definitely have an aversion to 'fuss'.

[@loisdiamond5674]

Thanks again TBP love you all!! Excited to watch this one!! X