The fact that this browser is already available for all major platforms is already a step forward compared to arc
@tasmtoАй бұрын
🌶
@0daydreamsАй бұрын
The developer is pretty much just one person. He compiled everything by himself
@eeaahhАй бұрын
it's just Firefox with a custom skin
@rtrampoxАй бұрын
@@eeaahh I mean, isn't arc just chromium?
@GabrielGBjasАй бұрын
This, I love arc but windows implementation and lack of linux is certainly something...
@Malix_LabsАй бұрын
At this rate, we need a new "day since new browser released" counter
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
browsers vs. js frameworks
@adtcАй бұрын
Permanently Zero.
@catsby9051Ай бұрын
The only certainty is that Theo will try them all and claim that the newest one is also the best 😂
@OkarinHououinKyoumaАй бұрын
Just use the good old Firefox
@sebastiangonzales46Ай бұрын
at least its not another chromium based
@eddie_daneАй бұрын
A new browser, without Ai plastered all over their landing page, pretty interesting
@RiteshKumarPandaАй бұрын
in the day age of ai a new software not bombarding AI AI AI all over the place is such a breath of fresh air
@RedSntDKАй бұрын
Or crypto for that matter
@darkbot081Ай бұрын
It's a matter of when dev will need money
@neumatix234Ай бұрын
@@RiteshKumarPanda a new feature people can mention is "X doesn't have AI". we live in a society
@ChristopherCricketWallaceАй бұрын
amen
@nikkehtineАй бұрын
A Firefox-based browser like that is like a breath of fresh air
@juushyАй бұрын
honestly, a clean firefox browser is what i was waiting for, i can finally switch from brave :D
@IN-pr3lwАй бұрын
Kid named LibreWolf: @@juushy
@eeaahhАй бұрын
librewolf is just firefox
@davidddoАй бұрын
@@IN-pr3lwLibreWolf breaks so many websites for me though. Im using thorium at the moment and its very snappy
@alvesvarenАй бұрын
I love that it is based on firefox, chromium browsers cover like 80% of web traffic, and google just being able to do whatever with it is scary
@AshLordCurryАй бұрын
EXACTLY what I was thinking, I'm actually interested
@wwklndАй бұрын
Agreed, I've been a Firefox user since it was released, occasionally switching to Firefox derivatives because I dislike Chrome. This is probably my favourite so far.
@TheXppp1Ай бұрын
Too bad firefox has compatibility issues with a lot of sites
@MrUltimateXАй бұрын
YESSSS. Big win for those of us worried about Arc and MV3
@TayTayChanАй бұрын
Funny how Theo always shits on firefox, but many of the features he comments on here are actually firefox onse, and not specifically zen. I do agree this extra wrapper holds great potential though.
@aluisiofsjrАй бұрын
@@TayTayChan , the Firefox’s UI is really dated and cluttered. He is not wrong shitting on that…
@bartek.igielskiАй бұрын
i bet it's about having to fix code that works everywhere but not in firefox, while they refuse to align with others, because "that was the spec"
@zSionАй бұрын
@@aluisiofsjryou can change it though
@benjaminmiddaugh2729Ай бұрын
@@aluisiofsjr People are too obsessed with clean interfaces. Having features visible therefore easily accessible is a legitimate (and sometimes preferable) design philosophy. Browsers are complicated, and having the browser UI pretend it's simple wastes my time and mental effort.
Ай бұрын
@@aluisiofsjr You can change most of firefox UI. It's just html and css.
@ahmedjaber8595Ай бұрын
1 month later: i was wrong about firefox
@PeterSahanayaАй бұрын
LOL
@jozsefsebestyen8228Ай бұрын
Funny how you get surpirsed on Firefox features existing for decades (eg per browser proxy settings)
@Name-gi8drАй бұрын
I thought the same thing. He's "not a firefox guy" because he hasn't used it at all.
@TarekEl-EterАй бұрын
Similar thought when he said chrome.css being named after google chrome like userchrome has not existed for years
@andreas.111Ай бұрын
When will firefox get native profile management though? Like chrome, safari and edge does?
@jozsefsebestyen8228Ай бұрын
@@andreas.111 it has, but not pushed to the front. You can somehow open the profile chooser by some command line argument
@scarecatАй бұрын
Also switching tabs with scroll is in firefox too
@disinfect777Ай бұрын
Those connection settings have been around in firefox since the start i believe.
@somerandompersonintheinternetАй бұрын
yep, it's a Firefox thing, not a Zen thing. Weird that he didn't know, hahah. But I guess he did mention he's not a Firefox guy
@static_motionАй бұрын
Even goddamned IE had embedded proxy settings.
@moober_Ай бұрын
@@somerandompersonintheinternet he says im not a firefox guy, evidently thats because hes not used firefox in the past 10 years... firefox has had most of the features he was surprised about in zen for many many years now like the userChrome theming and profiles. Mozilla is also at fault for not pushing frontends for these cause clearly people find them cool and dont know about them
@no_name4796Ай бұрын
Cool, a browser not using chromium for once! Also: i really hope ladybird project actually does work and we finally get a fully FOSS and independent browser. It's crazy we have monopolies in every single aspect of the fucking web
@gljames24Ай бұрын
Don't forget about Servo!
@paatagigolashvili9551Ай бұрын
@@gljames24 servo being much better alternative
@ClimateChangeDoesntBargainАй бұрын
@@gljames24 you mean Verso
@Darker7Ай бұрын
@@gljames24 Servo is intended for research, not general use, so it doesn't really count. Its advancements are meant to be extracted and merged into other browsers, not make it a competitor :Ü™
@LovecraftianGodsKillerАй бұрын
@@ClimateChangeDoesntBargainVerso is the browser that uses the Servo web engine.
@ivyZorzАй бұрын
"their biggest hurdle is that they're using firefox as the base instead of chromium" yeahhh we don't need anymore chromium based browsers and give google even more influence than they already have over the web. he really needs to legitimately try and daily drive firefox.
@benjaminmiddaugh2729Ай бұрын
I'd back this sentiment more if Firefox didn't basically rubber stamp 97% of what Google proposes for the web. Apple does that, too. That's why Ladybird is so exciting.
@GrevMarkussenАй бұрын
I know I’m in the minority, but I _wouldn’t_ use it if it were Chromium. (Been dailying it for a couple of weeks. Works great!)
@torspediaАй бұрын
Or the new Ladybird browser, which is truly independent, when it's finally ready for release.
@GrevMarkussenАй бұрын
@@torspedia Oh, absolutely! But that's pretty far from something to daily today. And I think it's better for the health of the web to use Gecko now (while keeping an eye on things like Ladybird), than to use Blink/Chromium while waiting for something perfect.
@ayoubthegreatАй бұрын
@@torspediaLadybird sounds like a great thing coming to the web.
@HoYinChengАй бұрын
A lot of those “new” features, like tab scrolling, have been possible in FF. The problem for FF has been the defaults, resistance to changing them, and the difficulty of configuring these customizations. What looks promising about Zen is that the defaults are better out of the box + there looks to be a clear and easy way to share these customizations through their “themes”. I think that paving the road for the community to explore customizations is going to be Zen’s killer feature. If they can continue to expose more and more of FF’s internals in a user friendly way, their future will be bright.
@kaedrizАй бұрын
Tab Tiling and Vertical Bar definitely are not possible in FF tho. Users were begging for it for years, and Firefox just recently decided it should try vertical tabs in nightly. Dunno if this is based on that code, as last time I used it, things *weren't* working right, to say the least.
@HoYinChengАй бұрын
@@kaedriz yup, that’s why I said “a lot” and not all 😉
@kaedrizАй бұрын
@@HoYinCheng Well, sorry if I interpreted it wrong, but I felt that you underplayed the effort of zen team, making it sound like it was "just" another user.js modification. chrome.css store like system could be even implemented externally through importing css files, but there is a worry about style conflicts, I'm curious how they tackle this if they allow community-curated styles, not just internal ones.
@HoYinChengАй бұрын
@@kaedriz I didn’t intend to underplay those changes. I was attempting to focus on and highlight an aspect of the browser that I think they are doing right but that I haven’t seen anyone, this video included, calling out as what I think can be their biggest game changer. The software that I see a parallel to is Obsidian. It did a lot of unique and great things, but what ended up being their killer feature was community plugins. I’d love to see encouragement of this because I think it would uniquely set them apart. Apologies if my attempt to focus on that made it sound like I was downplaying them. My default mode is to read comments in the most positive possible interpretation (HN etiquette) and tend to write assuming that.
@chawrx3Ай бұрын
exactly this. switched from chrome to FF because of the mv3 changes, and holy fk, having to change so much sht in config/chrome.css is just really sad. if FF is looking for more users coming from chrome, they need to change these defaults
@Malix_LabsАй бұрын
Wake up babe New browser just dropped
@XDRosenheimАй бұрын
"Let me sleep for five minutes, will you?"
@trappedcat3615Ай бұрын
"Go back to bed. Firefox is still king."
@techgo4431Ай бұрын
@@trappedcat3615 "Firefox" 😂
@ilahazsАй бұрын
Kingfox
@gorlixАй бұрын
Kingfox FTW
@eldarshamukhamedov4521Ай бұрын
Firefox purist here, but anything that gives folks more options for avoiding Chrome and Safari is a win.
@Dylcifer2 күн бұрын
Hey at least Safari isn’t based on Chromium. So it gets a +1 for that.
@seclvdedАй бұрын
"new browser" is the new "new javascript framework"
@kintustisАй бұрын
new reskin of firefox or chromium
@leisiyoxАй бұрын
I doubt the average user would even care
@3venticАй бұрын
Firefox multi-account containers is the best thing about Firefox that I haven't seen in other browsers. Works in Zen too it seems.
@aamiraАй бұрын
Its the only reason I can't switch to anything else
@BarraIhsanАй бұрын
for realll
@phr3ui559Ай бұрын
yes
@ivanv6862Ай бұрын
I might be wrong, but there's a way of having that in Arc, called profiles
@sofrin6079Ай бұрын
firefox is adding vertical tabs in nightly builds too so this is the meta now i guess
@modernkennnernАй бұрын
In retrospect it's the obvious choice. The screen is wide than it's tall, so why are/were we spending our screen real estate in such a poor way
@myoggАй бұрын
@@modernkennnern But we already have the titlebar, most tab bars don't extend past this anyway so vertical tabs doesn't actually save any screen space
@rtrampoxАй бұрын
@@myogg I usually prefer vertical tabs because it's easier to use when you have more than 5 tabs open, past that it gets too much confusing
@kaedrizАй бұрын
@@myogg You are making a Windows assumption, On Linux, which is somewhat popular among FF users, you certainly are not guaranteed to have Title bar. In Gnome maybe, in most of KDE too (but you can hide that on maximized), but in tiling desktops, you certainly don't have title bars. And adding onto your actual argument, window controls can, and some themes already do something like this, be moved to address bar, like Zen does it even.
@chriss3404Ай бұрын
@@kaedriz That's me!!! I ditched my title bars ages ago! Shortcuts FTW!
@z_0968Ай бұрын
First thought was please be a Firefox fork, didn't disappoint!
@gr-lf9ulАй бұрын
they may call it a fork but i think it's gonna be more like a wrapper, not touching the engine parts but just the chrome parts (yes, thats what the ui parts are called, ironically)
@cryonuessАй бұрын
@@gr-lf9ulChrome was named that way, because they tried to minimize the chrome and put the website front and center.
@severgunАй бұрын
@@gr-lf9ul all firefox forks only change icon. So wrapper is a lot.
@adjbutlerАй бұрын
0:48 FLASHBANG WARNING!!
@avijit849Ай бұрын
man😂 underrated comment
@pungutan_liarАй бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@SSEBBlueАй бұрын
Light mode always catching strays 😭 it’s so pretty thoooo
@VanillaSpooksАй бұрын
Saw this right when it happened..
@Kaskaan16 күн бұрын
8:04 - Real eye-bleach after few minutes of dark mode in the night
@bagofmanytricksАй бұрын
You notice that he has never used Firefox when he is glorifying every standard feature in Firefox because he doesn't know that it's actually Firefox.
@ClaridrylOTCАй бұрын
Theo must have never seen Firefox Containers if he thinks workspaces have to be separate windows. You can have two tabs immediately next to each other in completely different containers. MUCH more useful than Chrome and even Arc's implementation imo
@MrMatheus195Ай бұрын
The Proxy thing is directly from Firefox, same ui btw
@GreatTaiwanАй бұрын
yeah and existes in other browsers nothing new
@amandabrunsperger372615 күн бұрын
@@GreatTaiwanit's like among of the browsers that don't use Chromium. A lot of browsers like Chrome use Chromium!
@Youssef-zy8hkАй бұрын
I AM ZENNING SO HARD RIGHT NOW IM GONNA DAILY DRIVE IT (yes you should daily drive it for a bit. Btw i've done horizontal splitting on arc browser on windows)
@kisaragi-hiuАй бұрын
The thing about Ladybird is that "reinventing things for the sake of it" is literally the premise (of it and SerenityOS), but you're complaining as if they're not aware of it. Which... considering Ladybird's marketing, yeah, maybe. It might be considered a waste of time, but it's _their_ time they're spending. They do need to make it clear though.
@mistervallus185Ай бұрын
This guys a soy front end dev
@NoiseStaticBlurАй бұрын
The hype behind Ladybird is there precisely because they're not Firefox based or Chromium based. It's the only 100% independent browser that has the potential to be actually viable. Anything that gets us away from Google and Mozilla (considering how shaky their foundation is and how slimy they're getting) is a net positive.
@spht9ngАй бұрын
@@mistervallus185 No he just understands building production ready software
@ksdmeАй бұрын
@@spht9ng And the guy who single-handedly built an OS, userland and an awesome community from scratch doesn't? Why would anyone shit on an volunteer effort to build something, even if you think they are just doing it out of a principle? There is no scenario in which having a competing implementation is a net negative.
@ExtropystАй бұрын
I think it would have been better if they used Servo and Rust (Like Versotile's Verso Browser is doing), but they are building their own rendering engine again (LibWeb), and also wasting time migrating from C++ to Swift.
@gabriberthierАй бұрын
JUst looking at the fact that it won't ship any AI-based-thingy-thing it sort of feels the right direction in what a browser should be/have. Focusing on simplicity, UX, performance and security should be the de-facto way of creating software and I feel like trying Zen out for all of that. Huge plus for being based on Firefox, which has always been my favorite browser so far.
@kaedrizАй бұрын
True, if a product doesn't have AI displayed in its homepage, then I'm definitely interested. But I think it's going to have some AI in the future, as Firefox is going that path in the nightly, but at least these are mostly local LLMs.
@severgunАй бұрын
@@kaedriz AI should be in search engine, not in browser. For tabs and history search some kind of fuzzy finder is enough
@afjelidfjssafАй бұрын
@@kaedriz the dev said he has NO PLANS for AI and they will most likely remove AI features if Firefox releases them
@mmadevgameАй бұрын
Awesome that it's based on Firefox. I wouldn't even touch it if it has anything to do with chrome (I only use chrome sometimes for frontend dev in some extreme edgecases, but daily use always FF) Edit: also try it as default
@Z3rgatulАй бұрын
3:30 this is literally the same window as firefox has 🤣 yeah, i guess this is really nice to have in this new cool browser 🤣
@scpWyattАй бұрын
been playing with this for the day, it feels REALLY nice. Gonna main it for the next week and see how it goes. After Arc for Windows completely fell flat for me, it feels good to have a nice browser on windows for once lol
@7LCloverАй бұрын
Browser race! I'm not even sure what to use, i'm still on Firefox.
@echorisesАй бұрын
have you tried firefox nighly? It has sidebar now and with conex extension, it's just arc spaces.
@theairaccumulator7144Ай бұрын
stick to firefox
@D1.yАй бұрын
Mullvad Browser with a good uBlock Origin setup if you REALLY care about privacy. Librewolf with some or Firefox with a lot of settings changes is fine too.
@Name-gi8drАй бұрын
Firefox is excellent with uBlock
@LovecraftianGodsKillerАй бұрын
Zen is based on Firefox. I switched to Zen from Firefox and LOVE the experience. Firefox Sync works flawlessly, there's a toolbar button you can add to view synced tabs. The browser is even based on the latest release of firefox and will update to new versions of firefox as soon as possible
@innervoicesrpgАй бұрын
I'm typing this from the Zen browser itself. Can't believe I'm more ahead on a new web technology than Theo! By um 3 days!
@CodecrafterArtemisАй бұрын
So basically it's Firefox with Sidebery (if it even can do what Sidebery can, interacting with containers), better privacy defaults and less clutter?
@GreyDeathVaccineАй бұрын
Didn't know that addon. Thx.
@whoman0385Ай бұрын
that but all out of the box and more beautiful
@kaedrizАй бұрын
@@whoman0385 And without sacrificing side panel 😅 Anddd tab tiling. The only workaround for this in FF is wacky extension, that too hijacks side panel. Oh and it seems it also has workspaces, but it's in beta, didn't try it yet.
@xansurnamehereАй бұрын
I actually like the Web Panel on this one. It feels super nice, even compared to the previous Firefox forks I used! (Pulse, then Mercury, then Floorp)
@adhamsalama4336Ай бұрын
Yep. It looks really nice but Sideberry already does 99% of that.
@kj_sh604Ай бұрын
3:29 pretty sure, that's just a default Firefox feature.
@Name-gi8drАй бұрын
He's just hating on Firefox without using it enough
@kawali6394Ай бұрын
I am sure almost all popular browsers have this feature
@Name-gi8drАй бұрын
@@kawali6394 not chromium. It just takes you to system wide proxy settings.
@temanor20 күн бұрын
I was really surprised when I found out this wasn't a thing in chrome.
@TorpedoBenchАй бұрын
3:20 Theo talks about moving the tab bar to the right but couldn't find the setting, but at 1:44 I think he missed the "Tabs on the right" option when he right-clicked the tab bar. Seems like it's possible?
@peterj.2114Ай бұрын
I'm surprised how full-featured this looks already. Definitely going to check Zen out.
@vermasaksham5Ай бұрын
I have been using this browser for few week and I totally impressed. It has all I want or need like split screen and the options (via., Themes) to get my browser look or do things that I want is dope. This browser is in Alpha stage but, it never feel like it. Its stability is just superb.
@yamyam263Ай бұрын
6:00 "You cannot do a horizontal (in Arc)" yes you can, right click your split tabs in the sidebar and click "Covnert to Vertical Split View". (I think the names should be flipped, no idea why they call it Vertical Split, but it works.)
@yasseralbalolaАй бұрын
true, the only limitation is you can't combine multiple types of splits, it's either vertical or horizontal
@thedudely1Ай бұрын
Based on Firefox? now that's a browser I could actually use!
@heysanderАй бұрын
I kept my macbook for Arc. Now I finally will switch fully to Linux.
@reezwave20 күн бұрын
As an arc user, that theme store and hide the url bar sold me, gotta try installing it tomorrow
@gurditt_singhАй бұрын
it actually looks pretty cool. i wanted arc to be on linux, but it's not, so I'm super excited for this one
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
proxy being a niche feature? i feel like i've seen this in many browsers... 🤔
@t3dotggАй бұрын
niche as in not many user need it, not as in "not many browsers support it"
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
@@t3dotggah, that makes sense.
@rakeshchowdhury202Ай бұрын
@@t3dotgg you can actually also use per browser proxy on both chromium and firefox browsers using extensions. However Firefox has it natively since early versions. It's very handy for cybersecurity research
@amine7Ай бұрын
I've only seen it on firefox based browsers. Other browsers redirect to the OS's proxy settings.
@sumitpurohit8849Ай бұрын
Stream idea:- Make a theme for zen according to you taste
@wruxАй бұрын
I loved Arc, but tabs in the sidebar makes web pages so small on a 13 inch laptop. Zen's solution for sure resolves that
@ExtropystАй бұрын
That's right, it is solved with the "minimal sidebar" theme
@q.u.e.r.t.yАй бұрын
3:28 Assuming you were taking the proxy thing as a Zen feature rather than a Firefox feature, you probably don't use Firefox as default
@severgunАй бұрын
Using FF as default considered as selfharm by World Health Organization
@SmOdDoXАй бұрын
i got it after seeing this video and honestly im REALLY liking what im seeing so far, so clean and all the options it gives you are hands down some of my favorite things i've seen in a browser so far :3 thank you so much for showing this!
@twilightdevАй бұрын
Bro is always hyped about everything 😂
@eyesight2073Ай бұрын
Holy shit. This changes everything. And respect for Theo for supporting the project.
@eyesight2073Ай бұрын
Firefox was missing "group tabs". Now i will use workspaces for that 🙂. Also we have containers💫... yet to find an usecase for this.
@MrUltimateXАй бұрын
Being built on FF is a big win for those of us worried about Arc and MV3
@bycello952Ай бұрын
Been using zen browser and it’s honestly great. It’s a much more efficient arc
@MrPateggyАй бұрын
I immediately installed Zen to test it out as I was searching for a modern-looking Firefox alternative. One thing I immediately noticed is the immense ressource usage; especially when compared to Firefox/Chrome/Brave. With the same setup (extensions, search engine, bookmarks, etc.) I have about 2x the RAM usage (1.8GB) and way higher CPU usage (3%-10%). It is really fast but low-end systems like a RasPi could be easily bottlenecked here.
@zeocamoАй бұрын
it is call chrome.css because it is for the chrome, and chrome is named that because they did not want any chrome in the start of the project. chrome.css is older then chrome browser
@rjawiygvozdАй бұрын
also according to mozilla docs, "In a browser, the chrome is any visible aspect of a browser aside from the webpages themselves (e.g., toolbars, menu bar, tabs). This is not to be confused with the Google Chrome browser."
@aryankothari4634Ай бұрын
I love the Arc UI and absolutely hate that I can’t use arc on Linux. Zen is the future.
@lukeignjatovic161Ай бұрын
You can get vertical split in Arc by dragging another tab to the top or bottom of the tab you're currently on :)
@jfftckАй бұрын
Google isn’t creative enough to name things, most products are named after the thing that it is (Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Maps, etc…) or picking technical terms (Pixel, Chrome, etc…).
@dukkcc2Ай бұрын
it's just arc browser but support for linux! awesome you've made me adopt so many new technologies, zen, zed, supermaven, probably more stuff too
@shirkit5798Ай бұрын
I'm instantly switching from Firefox to Zen. I've been a Firefox user for 15 years now, never looked back.
@kraxen72Ай бұрын
theme: adds or removes border-radius with css theo: the way you can easily fundamentally change your browser is huge!! this is awesome! bro
@SrIgortАй бұрын
Bro, you didn't have to take personally the hate you got in the Ladybird video 😅, your attacks to ladybird in this video feel so childish.
@drooplugАй бұрын
Isn't in browser proxy configuration something that's been around since the 90s? I thought that was a standard feature. I've never used it so i haven't watched things evolve over the years.
@oSpamАй бұрын
That’s not what he meant, he was saying that it’s a feature that isn’t really used by many people. So it’s nice that they decided to add it, even though not many people would use it
@drooplugАй бұрын
@@oSpam Yeah, he misspoke. I saw his comment after I made this one.
@ego-lay_atman-bayАй бұрын
You absolutely should make it your default browser, and give a review on it.
@kilrain_devАй бұрын
"Chrome" is the name of the border/window around the browser. That's where Chrome got it's name. edit: Ok you caught that lol
@BryceDriesengaАй бұрын
Haha this definitely made me laugh and I was surprised you wasn't aware of it
@GresterNandes25 күн бұрын
For more than a decade Firefox has been my go to browser. Vivaldi almost got me but it's chrome based and some itches didn't convince me enough. But THIS... Firefox goodness but more versatile? Count me in!
@subashpraveenАй бұрын
06:00 you can do horizontal splits in arc btw
@yashiu9549Ай бұрын
I'm currently using this browser right after watching your video, and I must admit, that you're right - it's really cool
@Quantum_NebulaАй бұрын
so we take a massive dump on ladybird for doing things from scratch, but we clap like seals when a fancy firefox skin is released?
@aluisiofsjrАй бұрын
@@Quantum_Nebula , Ladybird is 5 years minimum to be released to the public, right?
@ShahTalksАй бұрын
@@aluisiofsjryes
@davidzaydullinАй бұрын
>its bad that everything is either chrimium or firefox fork >noo are you stupid why are you making a browser that is not chromium or firefox fork
@CjqNslXUcMАй бұрын
@@aluisiofsjr Servo was released in 2012 and still isn't compatible with most modern websites. 5 years for a usable browser is a pipedream. The web is a disgusting mess of decades old cruft and broken standards.
@AshliBlattgoldАй бұрын
Yea idk how to feel about this, seems pretty backwards to me
@ljreinworthАй бұрын
Actually quite interesting, might try daily driving this for a little while and see how I feel about it. Also, you can move the tabs over to the right hand side! (right click on the empty space > check "Tabs on the right")
@garcipatАй бұрын
I can hear Ladybird is crying
@ExtropystАй бұрын
I think it would have been better if they used Servo and Rust (Like Versotile's Verso Browser is doing), but they are building their own rendering engine again (LibWeb), and also wasting time migrating from C++ to Swift.
@4cid-AndyАй бұрын
it's kinda to be expected that the css in that browser is named chrome, considering that chrome was the term used to refer to everything that's in a browser, except for the browser pane that displays the website, meaning the term chrome refers to everything in the browser like the scroll bar the toolbar etc.
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
they'd actually make a difference if they implemented APIs that firefox doesn't, e.g. file system acces (FSA) API. that would make me really interested as a web app dev.
@filipkocisАй бұрын
nobody would use it lol, you need adoption for that
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
@@filipkociswdym? it's in chromium browsers.
@theairaccumulator7144Ай бұрын
Who wants a filesystem API in a browser?? 1 small slip up in that huge C++ codebase and a website can encrypt your whole drive or egress all your data to some foreign data center. At least you need a V8/Spidermonkey RCE 0-day and a sandbox bypass 0-day to do that with existing browsers. You would be creating a whole new attack surface for a feature like 4 people would use. This is also why I don't like WebUSB.
@Name-gi8drАй бұрын
That is a terrible idea to stray away from mainstream support. What are you going to do? Tell every user to use this specific browser?
@FunctionGermanyАй бұрын
@@Name-gi8dr no. but then we'd have a browser that supports this and isn't chromium. firefox not implementing some APIs made me stick with chromium based browsers as a web dev.
@ericmackrodt9441Ай бұрын
Been trying it for about a week. I love it. It's all I wanted, a Firefox based Arc. Everything is based on Chromium already, we really needed this one.
@jabthejewboyАй бұрын
“This is why vs code won” says the reason people love neovim.
@somerandompersonintheinternetАй бұрын
lol, yeah, thought the same thing when he said it. Neovim is the GOAT for customization capability for sure
@severgunАй бұрын
@@somerandompersonintheinternet Customization should not be painfull and should not require user to learn yet another programming language.
@outrowedАй бұрын
I've been using Firefox for 5 years, and I immediately knew this is made from the Firefox codebase judging by the icons and the search bar UI. And that's really good! Firefox is made with privacy in mind from the ground up. It's so rare and nice to see a browser made from another engine other than Chromium.
@evanev7Ай бұрын
This looks weirdly identical to my firefox setup. Like, they did _everything_ i wanted to achieve, except mine took css wrangling and 15 extensions. Mayyybe I should port my theme over to arc, could be pretty sweet.
@seasong7655Ай бұрын
I hope they'll finally add support for other languages in the tag
@aamiraАй бұрын
Zen for linux came faster than arc for linux lmao
@moshyfawnАй бұрын
You got me really excited about Zen and its profile management in particular, but it does actually open a new instance/window on profile change (2 instances actually; I guess a bug) and it loses all the pinned tabs that way 😮💨 But I really want this to succeed!
@galgrunfeld9954Ай бұрын
Zen + VS Code + Obsidian sounds to me like an awesome toolset for development and research
@LovecraftianGodsKillerАй бұрын
Replace VSCode with VSCodium and I am right there with you.
@ExtropystАй бұрын
And obsidian replaced with Affine @@LovecraftianGodsKiller
@3xOOOOOOOOOOOOOOАй бұрын
@@Extropyst Affine user detected
@sherlockmaverickАй бұрын
Zed, not vscode
@rogergalindo7318Ай бұрын
anything but vscode please
@marloelefant7500Ай бұрын
Firefox has container tabs, those allow you to use multiple accounts, but in the same browser window. Similar to those workspaces apparently.
@hellowillАй бұрын
Time to compile my new browser on gentoo linux
@sailorgreg1184Ай бұрын
*it's spelled Arch, btw
@ALTTABINMAINMENU28 күн бұрын
There are literally 7 (seven!) "themes" that change some insignificant aspects of the browser in an unpredictable way - and so much hype about it :(
@srikar4220Ай бұрын
the zen team - its just one guy btw!
@totallyawitch9945Ай бұрын
and i just started using Arc on W10! I'd be happy to be convinced to use Zen instead, but i feel like I still want to get warm with this new layout and stuff. I'm already very sold on this style of tab management etc
@nikunjkhangwalАй бұрын
15:41 Agreed and I daily drive Firefox. It's uglier and slower than pretty much any Chromium browser.
@Alan7AАй бұрын
I was skeptical about this new browser but after seeing the themes, customization and shortcuts i'm going to give it a try!
@shirkit5798Ай бұрын
Honestly we do not need any more Chromium based browsers.
@MrHamsterbacke756Ай бұрын
Zen is not one.
@NewenFАй бұрын
Someone probably already mentioned this but yes, you CAN actually do horizontal splits in Arc.
@ziad_jkhanАй бұрын
Does he know that FF is the ONLY open-source browser that shields us from potential monopolistic dystopia?
@oserodal2702Ай бұрын
That's kinda not what Theo cares for a browser...
@curoviyxruАй бұрын
that is also funded by Google... oops...
@ziad_jkhanАй бұрын
@@curoviyxru Partly thanks to some myopic influencers undermining it, leaving it with no other choice. Our only hope it seems is Ladybird...time will tell
@DrNoLifeАй бұрын
@@curoviyxru Partly funded by Google, because Google does not want Firefox to fail, nor does it was it to backrupt. Google needs Firefox, otherwise they will absolutely get hit with a monopoly suit. So saying "oops" kinda misses the point.
@FrosthavenLiveАй бұрын
@@DrNoLife Considering Google recently got ruled against in courts for being a monopoly, it'll be interesting to see how their funding changes if at all. Some days it feels like a losing battle going up against a company that also influences a lot of standards. I'm also no Apple fan, but they've been feeling that exact pressure for years now with Safari. They can either not support new standards (PWA among other things) and let their own users down, or support the new standards and give another inch to Google at the cost of their own ecosystem. Everyone is subservient to the great chromium (and Google) in the end due to the market saturation. I'm really cheering for Firefox to survive all of this. I can be very cynical, but I do have hope.
@SirIveGoneAWOLАй бұрын
I tried it out for a little bit (and will probably continue trying it out), but my first issues with it probably stem from the workload I do. Mainly that I rely on multiple windows, and I want different tab styles because the content is different in each window; IE: one video streaming window with top tabs and a second windows for research with side tabs (with sidebery), and in Zen this isn't possible (either yet or never, time will tell). Also since its Firefox, the Toolbar can be customized which is fantastic because I've always hated how pretty much every browser locks the navigation buttons in the ridiculous config of: Back Forward Reload; I love having it: Back Reload Forward; and when customizing this angle of Zen showed that its still beta af. I have hope for the team in the end. but for right now, it'll just be a testing place like oryoki is.
@kendalluwu188Ай бұрын
I'm gonna talk about this with the author for you mate
@kendalluwu188Ай бұрын
Ok, I talk to the author and this is something under development, so expect it in future updates
@nikunjkhangwalАй бұрын
2:21 Not even a honourable mention for Vivaldi 😿
@AvanaVanaАй бұрын
I’m a happy Vivaldi user. Interested in this for some of the same reason, but not a huge fan of Mozilla/gecko, particularly as a developer
@nikunjkhangwalАй бұрын
@@AvanaVana Totally Valid
@OnkarValse16 күн бұрын
Well done review of the browser, and that too improvised at that! Zen looks promising.
@DrivingralleАй бұрын
Firefox Containers makes your workspaces in one window
@ExtropystАй бұрын
Which is an advantage, but it can be schizophrenic. Having workspaces to organize sessions is also something that adds up.
@eyesight2073Ай бұрын
Zen also provides UI for firefox profiles. Best thing ever.
@lussor1Ай бұрын
Not a browser, just a Firefox fork. We really need more engines like Ladybird
@NimVimАй бұрын
And guess what, firefox is a browser!!!! Crazy right..?
@proddirtneckАй бұрын
more engines like ladybird that wont come out for multiple years and not even on every platform...?
@sammcj2000Ай бұрын
FYI for the gatekeeper warning - you can just right click -> open and then you’ll get the open anyway option
@voidmindАй бұрын
It should be named extensions, not themes
@somerandompersonintheinternetАй бұрын
They are just CSS on the browser's UI. He just got a bit too excited by the ability to change a border radius property. The reason it may feel like an extension sometimes is because nowadays, CSS can do a lot.
@fallen3424Ай бұрын
I clicked on this video expecting some new fancy browser I wouldn't really care about but this is actually cool I want to try this out
@eazystudioАй бұрын
15:26 Theo u have a real problem with ladybird creator u probably not likeing what the creator did does not mean you get to publicly keep going at them by calling it a stupid idea😢. Love ur video but can't stand this... u should probably take it down a lot of notches NOT cool. And they don't plan on reinventing everything from scratch even if they did let them 🙃
@ActuallyGooseАй бұрын
Even just 3 weeks after this has come out, the theme store is significantly larger, and every single theme has unique and useful applications. Excited to start daily driving it as i made the switch from chrome to edge over a year ago, and then from edge to firefox less than 3 momths ago