Tactical Shooters Are Missing Something

[@TheButterAnvil]

Lots of comments mentioning that ready or not 1.0 has better AI, but none of them are mentioning zero hour having friendly ai now smh

[@ProbNotCross]

Ready or Not is more popular than Zero Hour, so people talk more about RoN.

[@kellerweskier7214]

im not saying these are solutions, but id suggest looking into a game called Intruder for them door and stealth mechanics.

[@regular5k]

zero hour’s ai is abysmal at best lol

[@Zanith50]

@@kellerweskier7214 Intruder is soo fucking good i wish more people played it!! remmeber getting to a high rank and selling some skin, i got enough money from that to buy subnautica below zero :P

[@DaMainCookie]

thats cause zero hour is dogshit

[@riffler24]

Something I've also been missing from the old games is a linear story. This was especially missed in Ready or Not, because the job of a linear campaign is to introduce the player to increasingly more mechanics and complicated situations. SWAT 4 starts you off raiding a take-out Chinese place with like...2 bad guys armed with pistols who are inches from surrendering, and by the end you're taking on the fucking Payday 2 crew armed with assault rifles and packing armor and gas masks. There's an escalation that helps the player learn the game. Most of these modern games don't have that, they all have some sort of open mission select with no campaign. You don't get introduced to the game and allowed to acclimate, you just pick a random mission and maybe it will be easy or maybe it'll be really hard. This is especially bad in Ready or Not which doesn't give you like ANY information about the mission you're doing. No map, no real briefing, nothing.

[@TheButterAnvil]

I think/hope it's planned, but you're definitely right. The feeling of progression is missing from games like ground branch and RoN

[@Axl4325]

That's something I was thinking about last night and it's one of my biggest gripes about modern tactical shooters. I replayed rainbow six Vegas 1 and 2 a month ago and I like how the games throws increasingly harder situations at you as the plot progresses and the threat escalates, but then I see Ready or Not or maybe Ground Branch gameplay and it's very "Yeah man do whatever you feel like doing" and that's just not it. It's nice as an option but not the main experience imo

[@PeninsulaCity2024]

While RoN 1.0 kinda fixed this, there are missions, especially the second one that kinda does a somewhat unfair rug-pull.

[@oucquan2436]

Having a linear story defeat the purpose of the title and the game lol, why is it ready or not when you can just ready? Also, real life Swat team or any team that deal in those dangerous situation also didn't allow to choose their situation

[@Axl4325]

@@oucquan2436 my brother in Christ this is a videogame, other tactical shooters do the same thing and it works just fine. Besides it doesn't need to replace the mission select system, it could be another way to play the game

[@Mikillow42]

the amount of times im scrolling through steam looking at all these new tactical games and just saying to myself "i wish they would all come together and just make one perfect game"

[@bongboi2831]

I want a fallout new vegas or stalker based game with surviving but with ready or not gunplay

[@billnyethespy3641]

@@bongboi2831 yeah ikk anomaly is great and so is stuff like escape from pripyat and gamma but the gunplay is lacking

[@omgomg123123lol]

@@bongboi2831 Literally all I want is a single player Stalker/Metro type of game with Tarkov level gun customization so i can build my IRL rifles in game -with anime girls in it-

[@shekelboob]

​@@bongboi2831 why ready or not in particular

[@shekelboob]

​@@omgomg123123loldesolation for anomaly adds a degree of weapon customization

[@Gunnar001]

It really is a travesty how both Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon were reduced to dumbed down console arcade shooters with neon pink looney tunes guns and other kiddy nonsense. RIP Tom Clancy games.

[@TheButterAnvil]

🕊️🕊️🙏🕊️🕊️

[@nood1le]

Even Call of Duty lost its identity

[@clikftp]

and rest in peace the man clancy himself..

[@AJ-rf4yr]

I actually enjoyed Siege up until late 2019 when they started catering to Pro League.

[@TacticalBaguette]

Breakpoint is so fucking weird because sometimes it'll present itself seriously and you'll get a brief glimpse of how GR used to be, but then you remember all of the behemoth drone boss fights, and the mission where you had to make some special bait for this fisherman guy, or the mission where you had to find a goth girl and bring her back to her mom, or the mission where you have to talk to a guy who's sexually attracted to drones... I really wish I was making this stuff up :(

[@MomurdaTheMessiah]

To your hypothetical game. Imagine instead of drawing breaching paths, you could pre draw or have dev suggested paths to choose from on the fly. Like madden before plays how you choose routes. A quick drop down menu with " plays" would be amazing.

[@TheButterAnvil]

idk how i missed this comment but that would be so sick. Pre built bounding command that automatically decides based on available cover and enemy locations where for your team to go. We need tactics nerds to design games

[@fanofgaming8403]

​@@TheButterAnvilTo be honest, As much of a tactical shooter/MilSim Fan and really enjoy (and maybe more so) modern tactical shooters, I just really want a good Single player tactical shooter. What you described was basically my dream game. Although I like multiple player games, I love the playing by myself without the hassle of scheduling a game. And if the game has a hitman styled level design where you can use different tacticals and areas of the maps (and maybe include challenges like not getting detected), I would have atleast 1000 hours on that game.

[@johnvictor1682]

4⁴is a little preview 6:23 that 6:49 AND 😅😮 Z,😅😅😅52,..😅6

[@manuelrodriguez3166]

Rainbow six 3 actually had pre-made mission plans. Each mission had one plan for regular mission and another one intended for quick mission versions that you could load from the beginning.

[@Rallysoldier]

​@@johnvictor1682🤔 What?!

[@Nigel.Shelby]

I love the fact that Ding Chavez was in ALL rainbow six games till now.. RIP to a Legend.

[@SchizophenicMongoloid]

Have you ever read the books? Ding was Clark's first recruit

[@Nigel.Shelby]

@@SchizophenicMongoloid nah didn’t know they had a series of books. Gotta check em out. Thanks!

[@jose2226]

Bogart my man, mainly because I like making fun of his name

[@edheldude]

It's originally a Tom Clancy book so I suppose he's the main character.

[@Enflict]

@@edheldude The original R6 followed the plot of the book and featured characters from it, as I am sure the supposedly in-development movie will as well. John Clark and Domingo Chavez start a secret international SWAT team that are basically the Ghostbusters but for terrorism. Countries can call them to handle terrorist attacks and hostage situations if they need help, or if their own police can't handle it. So Rainbow gets deployed to Belgium, for example, and they put on the Belgian police uniforms (This is where Siege's seasonal uniform DLC comes from). Some Russian baddie watching the news notices the Belgian police were inexplicably AWESOME that day and plots attacks to draw out Rainbow, and also there's corporate Eco terrorists plotting a pandemic apocalypse for whatever reason. Anyway the eagle-eyed old school R6 fan will see a lot of maps in Siege that are ripped straight from the old games. Consulate is the first level of the old Rainbow six (Embassy), except it was raining and in Belgium. Airplane was in R6: Rogue Spear (the second game) and the layout is 100% identical with a couple more entrances added. Skycraper, beautifully reimagined, is a pain-in-the-ass stealth level in Raven Shield (the third game) that you raid later in the game after bugging two phones without getting caught (R6 1, 2 and 3 all had stealth levels where you bug phones, and they may have inspired Splinter Cell). Chalet is from Rogue Spear, another stealth level that returns later in the game as a raid. Bank is from Raven Shield and shares the spirit of the layout. The name of the auto shop in Outback is Hanley's, an Easter egg as Timothy Hanley was the playable Aussie operative in the old R6 games, and tbh he kinda looked like Mozzie. Oh and Pulse's heartbeat sensor was a gadget you could give to your whole squad. Read the book. It'll make you suspicious of Green Peace, I think Tom Clancy hated hippies or something lol

[@Ivanov_397]

After playing SWAT 4, it's crazy how much games have regressed. As much as I love ground branch, all there is to the game is walk around and shoot dumb bots. It seems all that's needed to make a "tactical shooter" nowadays is to remove hud, add some really jank movement, and call it done. I wish we still had games like Ghost Recon and SWAT.

[@TheBrokenRibs]

We have ready or not

[@davidryke113]

Get Ready or Not. It's the successor of SWAT 4.

[@Gearparadummies]

@@davidryke113 Ready or Not has omnipotent AI enemies. Until they don´t fix that it´s just a dying simulator.

[@davidryke113]

@@Gearparadummies What? You are not making sense.

[@davidryke113]

Not really. I own the game. It's superior to SWAT 4 in every way, and I am a SWAT 4 fan.

[@Gearparadummies]

There was a game called "Hidden &Dangerous" based on SAS operations in WWII. It had a planning phase, over-the-map waypoint movement, pre-positioning of snipers and machine gunners...And that was 20 years ago. You could also switch between 1st and 3rd person a decade before ArmA got out.

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Novalogic use to make milsim games in the late 90's and early 2000's. Hidden&Dangerous was classic series too. I heard that's getting brought back but it won't be like it was.

[@Gearparadummies]

@@My-Name-Isnt-ImportantNovalogic's Delta Force 1&2 and the Armored Fist series were superb. Without those and Operation: Flashpoint(Predecessor of ArmA) we would never have had games like Battlefield.

[@sirdiesalot2975]

I still go back to Hidden and Dangerous 2 every now and again when I get a chance. It has remained one of my favourite games ever since I was much younger, and I sincerely lament that we haven't seen anything quite like it since.

[@CrzBonKerz21]

The creative director is working on Gray Zone Warfare now.

[@praporbarton3961]

My favourite singleplayer tactical shooter is still SWAT 4 with First Responders, it adds so much depth to the mechanics and overall polishes the game nicely

[@MA-xn6jk]

sooo true man

[@icarusgaming6269]

Technically Sandstorm is Insurgency 3 In Breakpoint's final update they broke the move command, so once your team reaches their waypoint they'll fan out in random directions and completely ruin their cohesion. It's a bug that will never be fixed Ugh, you deliver *my* frustrations so well. I should have just written you a section on initiative for this one H3VR now has some pretty detailed doors, but that's a sim game

[@ossihurme7572]

Wildlands' and Breakpoint's teleporting invisible team mates are just worst when it comes to immersion. I appreciate that they are there but boy are they far cry from earlier games.

[@icarusgaming6269]

@@ossihurme7572 In Wildlands they had very powerful pathfinding that could automatically navigate around sightlines so you'd never see them cross an enemy's path unless they were trapped by overlapping patrols. The invisibility was just a backup in the event that system failed. This tech seems to be either completely stripped out or broken in Breakpoint

[@sigmaoperator1688]

H3VR's actual force on force section is just goofy as hell. I customise my cool mk18, I get the perfect sidearm for the job, practice mag drills and breaching on the doors, just to have some random mindless 'take and hold' gamemode (whatever its called) where you shoot hotdogs who have dumb voicelines and fake firearms.

[@a__i__d__s3324]

@@sigmaoperator1688 h3vr is just goofy on its own, it's not meant to be a serious game

[@laughingbear_]

H3VR DOES have a very strong modding community iirc. Maybe someone’ll make a great tactical mod

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

my thing that a lot of tactical shooters are missing is long, story driven campaigns, does anyone remember the resistance campaign from operation flashpoint? if so, then thats what i mean, it literally felt like red dawn in, at the time, what was considered to be as close to life as you could have gotten it.

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

oh, and of course ai is a big factor, personally, i prefer single player, and one thing operation flashpoint always had, was bot support, it really just depended on the mission developer at that point in whether or not ai was included, and in most cases, it was, from simple conquest and deathmatch modes, all the way to full scale capture the island games, i could never finish them though, some games could go upwards of 6 hours long, but it was always fun to let the ai commander have reign and just go off with my own equipment and take towns, i may just have to reinstall now that im thinking of it

[@sainsburyshopper]

Resistance was the best partisan-based game ever put to disc.

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

@@sainsburyshopper i hear that, i often go back and play it with the 16:9 fix from the WW4 modpack, and it holds up to this day, its almost surreal seeing those t72s race towards you on the second or third mission, something about the animations and physics in this game make it look convincing to this day, enough so that i can become a fighter in the FIA once more, each and every time! not to mention theres capture the island to play with bots after all of that is done too!

[@RubensBarrichello.]

Even in dragon rising the story wasn't really cinematic by any means, but you saw how an island invasion develops over a 15 day period or so. Pretty cool

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

@@RubensBarrichello. I wish that the mission editor was a little more versatile in dragon rising, i would have loved a custom campaign for that game, the ai was insane

[@liloozey]

This is very well made. I really thought I was watching a video from a KZbinr who had well over 100k Subs. Props to you man

[@TheButterAnvil]

Thanks 🙏

[@aTTaX420]

I hope you SUBSCRIBED TO HIS F**KING KZbin CHANNEL!

[@costapetropoulos4916]

I have a feeling you’re going to get very big. Your videos are very fun to watch as well as informative.

[@TheButterAnvil]

🥺

[@fracturesintime7441]

Great Video, some very good points. One thing I will say though is that SWAT 4 gets all the accolade and no one seems to remember SWAT 3, it was really good for it's time.

[@strypes0076]

That feeling in ghost recon when you map out a plan. Goes off without a hitch, you use the same team members the whole game and get them leveled up. I miss it. Then you get sad when you start the expansion and can’t use the same guys ;(

[@jakedill1304]

What kills me the most about irrational following up swat 4 with BioShock, is that the original system shock had so many of the mechanics that have defined the modern tactical shooter, especially the PC modern tactical shooter.. including analog leaning, prone etc.. and then with a game like swat 4 that felt so feature Rich in mechanical and gameplay capabilities.. it kind of gave the impression that we were going to have a return to that with the quote unquote spiritual successor to system shock 2.. and we got the opposite of that and we didn't even get a game that remotely resembled system shock.. much less what it could have been given the capabilities shown with SWAT 4.

[@TalkingHands308]

Ubisoft NEVER carried the genre. They BOUGHT the rights to the Tom Clancy games. They basically ruined them. Red Storm Entertainment was the company that actually developed the Rainbow Six games that were still tactical. Raven Shield was technically under Ubisoft but that was like a bridge, they made that to kind of resemble Rainbow Six and Rogue Spear but after that they just ditched the whole tactical idea and went full arcade with regenerating health and all of that garbage...

[@TheButterAnvil]

Not wrong not wrong

[@DanElinoff]

Ground Branch is being made by the old guard from Red Storm, so I have very high hopes for the final product. They've said in past roadmaps that friendly AI and single player missions will be a major focus for the near future, but it's a very small company now, so they need to pick their battles.

[@TalkingHands308]

@@DanElinoff Yep, I've been part of the Ground Branch community almost from the very beginning when it was just an idea.

[@GeeNo_]

The Heroes Unleashed mod breathes a lot of life into the OG ghost recon games on Steam, pretty easy to get the mod setup and going for anyone interested.

[@ShadowRC1138]

This is a complaint I’ve had over the years! Everyone kept focusing on making the bad guys smarter but no one cared about friendly AI be it RoNs jank ai or CODs infinite teammate strategy

[@jgsource552]

Ron squad ai is finally really good, now they need to tone down the ai again lmfao

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Raven Shield and early Rainbow Six games were so good, because the development team actually had hands with real weapons and were shown tactics by hostage rescue personnel. When Tom Clancy was alive, the games with his name attached to them were some of the best tactical games made. Ubisoft should have never been allowed to buy Red Storm Entertainment. I miss Novalogic's mil sim games too, Delta Force was pretty enjoyable.

[@frostsoul4199]

this isn't related to gameplay but a visual detail i've always noticed with every shooter game out there is that there isn't a single weapon that has a sling. the only shooter games i've seen where a character has a sling mounted to their weapon is CoD MW2019 on the EBR-14, and also on every rifle length weapon in The Last of Us duology.

[@TheTber123]

I really want a Door Kickers 2/Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield hybrid imo It would play like Raven Shield (FPS Mode) until you pause the game, during which case it goes Door Kickers 2 mode (Real-Time Tactics mode) And like Raven Shield you can directly control one of your squad at any time, including if the current guy dies

[@deathgrxpTV]

I got a huge nostalgia rush when you mentioned Raven Shield, that game was the shit when I was a kid!

[@MainBrainDaneInsane]

Black One really seems a game where the dev wants all the things we love in a tactical shooter. Janky as hell, but it's got real potential.

[@beans4784]

I believe that the next update for Ready or Not Is going to be focused on SWAT AI and/or a new lobby and also a HRT skin rework. (This is based on the most recent dev AMA)

[@TheButterAnvil]

That would be amazing

[@beans4784]

@@TheButterAnvil They may be seperated into different updates though, the devs did say that they that they want to do smaller updates. Also the HRT skin is taking priority since it is almost finished and it has been promised for a while so the SWAT AI should come after it. Also I forgot to mention a planning phase is also coming soon. I recommend you check out the dev AMA for more details and also since I may of got some stuff wrong.

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@beans4784 Yep they said SWAT 3 AI would be a good exmaple of what theyre striving for

[@HystericalHuntress]

Swing and a miss.

[@siderz8686]

what you mean its pritty good @@HystericalHuntress

[@dermaldoe]

"thats right there were rainbow six games before r6 siege" thanks now Im feeling old :D

[@hih2023]

I grew up on raven shield and occasionally still play it with my brothers and dad! It really does make me sad the way tactical shooters are now tacti-cool shooters. On a side note i was too young to know how to or even care about the planning part of the game. I did try doing it a few years ago. It was really cool, another part of the game i was missing! It did kind of highlight the ai problems for me though. You said that the ai covers the rear, this is true but after watching them go, it seems they wont unless you tell them to move as slowly as possible. Infact they seemed to get extreme tunnel vision if they go any faster, as i have restarted many games after watching a whole team die as they ignore the terrorist that ran up behind them, as their squadmates fall around them one by one. Even so the ai is quite good even to some more recent games and i will always appreciate the game for what it is

[@Drummaniac17]

Great video. So glad you covered Black One Blood Brothers, and I couldn't agree more with your words on the title. I hope it becomes as good as I want it to be, as its the only modern fps with deep planning and unit control.

[@TheButterAnvil]

Clearly a passion project

[@TotalTirpitz]

I have a point you missed in the video. My first go around with tactical shooters was 'Close Combat: First to Fight'; way I heard it was to help marines practice tactics without the fuss of dying and injuries. Americas Army did a similar thing, but a more broad application of military skills. But back to First to Fight that had a pretty simple squad commands. Form on Me, Offensive, Hold Posisition, Move and Secure (might be different phrases it's been a while). You always had access to those, beyond that were context commands. So aiming at an enemy you could instruct Comply (Comply them to surrender), Cover (Your team would orient in that direction for threats), Suppress (Everyone mag dump this way), Support (This would be mortars, Airstrikes, Snipers based on the mission and what you were aiming at). Doors had context commands, Breach and Clear, Flash and Clear, Frag and Clear, Open. Based on the environment frag and clear could kill civilians (which is an auto fail) blah blah. The problems were while equipment was limited, ammo drops usually made this a non issue, and I never had my AI run out of grenades for breaches. BUT they moved really nicely through the door covering the room, and you could slot in anywhere into the stack. I mention this one specifically because it had smart team-mates, effective enemies. And a really simple squad command system you could do all this from first person. Now most games aren't going to be able to work with marines to get the movement right, or get DoD money for development. But the game came out 2005 so I think we could make something like it again.

[@kinography9085]

Really well edited and well explained video. And goddamn, Raven Shield looks badass as fuck

[@TheButterAnvil]

And it's cheap!

[@icarusgaming6269]

You should really get into these games

[@kinography9085]

@@icarusgaming6269 I’m stuck on xbox 1 so I’ll have to see what’s available

[@TheButterAnvil]

@@kinography9085 it's technically on the original Xbox, but no planning phase🥲

[@TheButterAnvil]

If you have any computer available, it will probably run on it too. Something to consider

[@DoriansPortrait]

Actually in ready or not the AI used to be very competent but they did some sort of an update or something but all I know is one day my fellow SWAT officers in game were capable units the next day they're bubbling idiots it was really weird.

[@bla2381]

Totally agree with your points, I was waiting for a video like this to come out, because it had to be addressed, basic features like switching to different teammates, and AI, aren’t even implemented in most tactical shooters now, the customisation of ai and your character is ESSENTIAL, and rainbow six 3 did it perfectly, it’s crazy how it still outclasses modern shooters to this day

[@aeishamg871]

That Raven shield theme took me back. THE GOOD OL DAYS.

[@alexroselle]

the hypothetical gameplay loop you stitched together from GR:Wildlands and Door Kickers 2 made me think of a pair of older games that I think did accomplish the FPS and team tactical planning combination well, which were the first two "Brothers in Arms" games, set during the US Army Airborne part of the Battle of Normandy in WW2. Both games involved tactical shooting, squad and team movement, real-life tactics, a fair degree of historical accuracy and realism in how combat was portrayed, and a tactical overview map function which let the player hit a key to pause action and analyze the combat situation on-the-fly to choose a course of action. It's now a 20-year-old series of games, and it didn't have many things we now take for granted in tactical shooters, but I think it combined the core gameplay elements that you (and I) feel are missing in so many newer games.

[@generalmccornflaxbo2547]

Man you didn't have to retraumatize me with reminding me if the cult mission in Swat 4

[@krishm16]

I like Brothers in Arms as a tactical shooter as well. Would love to see the Rebirth of the Socom Games too.

[@IrateGamingZealot]

It always really saddened/frustrated me that Raven Shield coop never had a proper planning phase. Just a crappy map where your annotations disappeared after a few seconds and no ability to set waypoints.

[@jgsource552]

You should check out ready or not again. The squad ai in the new update is insane and they know way more cqb than the teammates I get online. They are a bit buggy and sometimes overextend, but for the most part they do their job well. Now the enemy ai needs some tweaking cause they are a bit too op rn

[@wyldbylli4047]

Black One Blood Brothers is a new one found that may be the closest thing to OG RB6 or GR.

[@riddikk187]

Just picked that one up during the winter sale and I agree. I just hope it doesn't follow the path of many early access games and get shelved.

[@wyldbylli4047]

@@riddikk187 I haven't been keeping on it as much as hoped but they seem to update often. It's quiet the project so I expect it to cook a while. Enjoy!! I even get some socom vibes in 3rd person.

[@schibleh531]

1:49 I can't put into words how much I miss this system. I replayed the hell out of the hospital map in R6: Covert Ops back in the day. It was my first tactical shooter and what got me into the genre. Edit: Most modern Tac FPS games have bad enemy AI. The devs crank up the reaction speed to inhuman levels instead of making them more tactical. Try fighting the Ground Branch bots on Veteran difficulty. They will sprint silently and swarm your position, then shoot you as soon as they spot a pixel of your body. The most popular mods in Ready or Not are Ai mods and it's for a good reason. They see and track the player's head through walls. They do physic-defying 180 spins, and they shoot so fast the SWAT AI can't react to them. I love the genre but I am getting tired of this BS.

[@witwunsz4740]

ready or not recently got an update that makes the friendly AI not *brain dead* and actually act like swat

[@Xsidon]

the way you listed and explained every point without me even realising there actually is something missing in these games earned you a sub mate. Good job!

[@sirdetmist3204]

Its called story. What all these are missing is story. We perfected story based Tac FPS we perfect Tac FPS that were sheerly based around the focus on the mission itself. We now need to combine them.

[@anthonyaccivatti7831]

lmao, whistling ravenshield. you deserve more subscribers dude.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

this video mirrored a conversation yesterday i was in but it instead went for tact shooters should use supernatural elements to add more variety and interest in the combat loop so it isn't just "guy with gun vs AI guy with gun" and make the combat of a tactical shooter more interesting. imagine having avoid shooting certain things like barrels not due to the explosion but due to the fact that you have demon magic running around the level and reviving enemies you killed before. moments like that are exactly why i've enjoyed hideous destructor so much, then there's the medical system which most games go for either a simple you loose hp you never recover style system but not actually having any granularity with you got shot but didn't have it penetrate your BP vest or you got shot and are now bleeding, etc. also destruction adds so much to game even if it's limited.

[@TennessseTimmy]

Broo I loved raven shield

[@dougersonify]

Give me ready or not in a military setting where you have to follow the rules of engagement from a military/war crime perspective and you have an amazing game.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

Also the sub genre of "horror tactical" is awesome.

[@hollerboys6667]

Ready or Not got watered down. The AI used to actually hide and wait to ambush you. I can remember many games where I was magdumping a crack head and deafening my friends with my panicked screaming.

[@Operator_Oak]

I just realized this was posted on my bday last year

[@TheButterAnvil]

@@Operator_Oak neat

[@EnGageJackson]

I could not agree more with this video. I really hope tactical shooters make a comeback, and don't neglect the awesome single-player experiences.

[@itsmecrosby4723]

I had rainbow six 3: black arrow on the og clear xbox as a kid I was never any good, was a dumb bumbling moron in fact, but I still remeber how cool it made me feel Sure I'd kill 2 enemies and get no scoped with a pistol bc I forgot to reload my gun but boy did I kill those two enemies and I felt like a master of my craft. That's what these games are missing, the feeling of being the best, planning everything or winging it entirely and just feeling like you're winning even when you loose

[@Helsinki40268]

I want a mix of an arma editor and insurgency sandstorm. I love just making little scenarios and playing them out

[@NoName-ym5zj]

Functioning AI is what's really missing in Ready Or Not

[@5150engr]

This takes me back. I played the hell out of that first R6. Rogue spear as well. After planing the crap out of a mission and having it fail was just crushing. Miss those days.

[@capt5656]

Oh hey, guess it's time to re-look at Ready or Not

[@repman597]

You should make a video how Ubisoft Kill the Squad Based Tactical Shooter

[@TropaDeEliteOF-2]

"That's right there were R6 games before Siedge" Vegas 2 boys upon hearing:🙂

[@epicsnake21]

13:40 Squad also releases broken updates. I've played the game for over 2,000 hours. I've taljed to people in-game and we've all wished that the buggy and broken Turkish V7 update never came out. The game has had basic features like the server browser broken for the whole winter. I loved your video!

[@fernandoferraz3527]

I still play raven shield 3 raven shield. There is actually still a community online

[@Daniel_McGarry_Paolini]

The cover mechanic and physics of the Vegas games with the planning, map commands, and in game character switching of early Ghost Recon and Raven Shield would be great.

[@arthurhutchinson2755]

Holy shit, Raven Shield was the absolute shit back when I was kid. Excellent game, glad to see people giving it recognition.

[@nathanmitchell7961]

This stuff is gold man thanks for the vid

[@doctoratif7758]

I used to spend hours in the planning section of Rainbow Six Raven shield with that epic soundtrack playing in the background. NOSTALGIA

[@ChrisKat]

Thank you so much for complimenting Ground Branch’s dedicated high/low ready feature at 5:40. It needs to be implemented in every game ever.

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

What most games lack is pacing and suspense. If you're playing a game where you're bouncing off the walls all over the place it's not a "tactical" shooter. Swat 4 and ready or not are tactical shooters. Brothers in arms is. It requires slowing down. Taking cover. Flanking. Using different tools yet being able to take a moment to think and consider in the field without dying easily every 10 seconds (ruling out games like Team Fortress). The key element is slowing down to be able to think and consider. Without dying/losing when the player does.

[@matthewjones39]

People always confuse tacticool shooters and tactical shooters.

[@apresmidi153]

Very specific but sometimes it feels like EA uses the same AI script for every FPS game. The focus seems to be on sprinting to cover, using a voiceline saying what they are doing and the same grenade trick that was cool in Half-Life, COD feels the same way. I only really played Ghost Recon of the games you mention but I've played so many FPS games with lousy AI that are just supposed to function as props.

[@liq__7420]

I agree with this but the reason that what you shown in the visual impression is really hard to make is not because it would require a lot of coding but it would have to be made perfectly so that it doesn't stop the flow of the game because a lot of people really like to go in with a small amount of planing and little idea on what the map layout may be but to even try to play the game good it would be required to stop the game and plan witch is either leaving you fully exposed to any enemy that may come to you or stopping the game flow witch as said before may not be liked by some amount of player base

[@TheButterAnvil]

it is an unfortunately niche genre, but there's enough interest that I hope to see something like it someday

[@4500jas]

It annoys me to no end that almost all modern tactical are basically multiplayer only. Games like Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six were amazing because YOU COULD PLAY THEM HOW YOU WANTED! Play with friends, alone or both. All of these indie devs are scared of implementing teammate AI for the stupidest reasons. The team mate AI in ghost recon, rainbow six, etc was not that good, but made to be just enough to not be annoying. I’d much rather have stupid teammate AI than be forced to play a lone wolf mode for single player, which is one of the dumbest trends in the modern tactical shooters. I’m still not a fan of Zero Hour or Black one Blood Brothers (my god the jank) but I commend them on trying to do teammate AI, and RoN too

[@L11ghtman]

It sucks how we had this peak of US Army squad combat sims in the early 2000s, when the tech was fairly limiting. I loved those games, and I even played them on console in addition to PC. But you used to have games like Ghost Recon and Delta Force, where you'd get a realistic bio for a soldier (something like "Joined US Army in 1987; completed paratrooper training in 1988;" etc.) and now it's all NAVY SEALs and MarPat camo and CIA sneaky shit. No squads, no believable soldiers, just secret agents. I really miss how grounded and authentic mainstream shooters were. I do blame CoD a bit, but even CoD attempted big army setpieces with the original Modern Warfare trilogy. The Ranger and Delta Force missions in MW2 and MW3 were some of the best single player world war 3 types of missions games have ever had. But the genre is just stuck in this action movie/CIA mindset these days.

[@mjp152]

That graveyard in the basement in SWAT 4 completely broke me; had to pause the game the first time.

[@spoon4896]

For me they all lack integrity. All modern tactical shooters fell like GMod with tons of addons. They are clunky and messy from a technical point of view.

[@Hatouchu]

"That's right, there were actual Rainbow Six games before Siege" That comment just made my back pain flare up from OLD AGE!

[@acetrigger1337]

Ready or Not Teammate A.I. was completely revamped with the most recent update... but suspect A.I. took such a strong hit, that the player count went down by 10,000.

[@zombine7103]

Remember scp 5k and also six days in fallujah as well.

[@stitch77100]

Rainbow six 3 Raven shield and Athena's sword were the best games in the franchise for so players. I love them and all own them. And yes, that theme tune is highly addictive and memorable (I had very strong nostalgic feelings when you whistled it :,) )

[@PRODiViN4]

you read my mind, glad i found this channel, definetly earned a sub, keep making these videos my brother you are going too go far mark my words, good work

[@kala1780]

1:19 the R6:3 Raven Shield theme is a banger. I wish someone could make a mod to add it to RoN. There is already a mod for R6:2 Roque Spear theme song for RoN which is also good, but Raven Shield theme slaps and sets the perfect mood to kick some terroriser ass.

[@spicycrusader]

I'm glad to say that his description of SWAT AI in Ready or Not is now outdated with the 1.0 Update

[@roman8197]

no it's still bad

[@spicycrusader]

@@roman8197 Df you mean? I've had like barely any problems with present day SWAT AI

[@roman8197]

@@spicycrusader doubtful, how much are the devs paying you

[@spicycrusader]

@@roman8197 Why would the devs pay me, I'm not saying the AI is perfect, I'm just saying they're a lot better, miles better.

[@ronansorensen4417]

My dad showing me rainbow 6 vegas 2 when I was like 5 got me into tactical shooters and now it’s the only genre I play

[@4thObserver]

I agree. GB's GPNVG's are without equal. I like modded RON but GB's portrayal of recoil is chef’s kiss.

[@matt2centerback]

The quick and easy answer to why modern friendly squad AI are scarce, and why the ones that do exist seem basically braindead? Open worlds and huge maps. Older games could get away with having their AI act a lot smarter because they had smaller, simpler and/or more linear maps on average. Its easier for devs to plan interactions in smaller spaces with less variables to worry about. Newer games with bigger maps and more variables to worry about makes programming AI a lot more resource-intensive, so making them immortal/tanky mobile turrets is the quick and easy way to go about things, if the devs could be bothered to expend the resources to make them at all.

[@quanghuynguyenang8455]

ArmA you can command unit on your MAP, so it can be counted as an FPS RTS hybrid Simulation game.

[@Avera9eWh1teShark6]

I think the planning and micromanaging of each individual team member has gone away, largely for good reason. It is pretty jarring to have to be taken out of the game to open up spreadsheets and having to command your team, and on the ground command streamlines the process while still maintaining the core principles of decision making being the core factor. Moreover, in most of these games, you are playing as elite commandos, so narratively, they should be competent enough to handle themselves without needing to be baby sat and the core mechanics should also reflect your elite status by not being clunky walking simulators either. I do genuinely believe there is room for a healthy mix of the butter smooth refinement of Ghost Recon Future Soldier with the tactile management of older tactical shooters.

[@Darek_B52]

This video sums up what I've been saying for awhile man. Thanks.

[@TheButterAnvil]

Glad you enjoyed 😁

[@RainmakerLTU]

Manual cleaning and maintaining your weapons is very cool idea. Just do not force to do it too often so it would not become a chore and ppl will love it. Especially those who like to sit at the base, prepare for mission unlimited time, test your weps and gear; not just run to mission on 1 button click, then straight jump back to base and next moment onto next mission.

[@strrmnn]

it's nice to see someone talking about tactical shooters while not being bitter about siege for once, even if it's just until i scroll down to the comments

[@d_ruggs]

man, raven shield, so fucking good. Its hard to believe how insanely well they nailed special operations way back then, and we are just now starting to see stuff that good again (dk, no plan b, ground branch, and TAVR) also, tavr also made me fall in love with door related cqb. lol

[@TheButterAnvil]

Yep

[@LaughingMan44]

That Tarkov gameplay, that recoil looks very different from live EFT ;)

[@TheTber123]

Raven Shield > Siege R6 has lost its identity entirely Also which mods are used in the Raven Shield and SWAT 4 footage? Supply Drops and First Responders, I think?

[@TheButterAnvil]

Yep and yep

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

Rainbow Six Vegas and Vegas 2 were some of my favorite games as a kid.

[@ArrKayCee]

"Best quad nods ever" that KSP ReShade preset ("True Night Vision, A Night Vision Goggle Reshade for KSP") would like to have a word. More realistic and can be used in tons of games. Currently using it in Fallout 4 lol Edit: holy shit you can't turn on IR lasers for AI in Arma 3, I knew about Blood Brothers but didn't know how far the customization went.

[@The1Scraf]

Raven shield with mods is a top tier shooter that is always installed on my pc

[@Od4n]

I think recent AI development will eventually find its way into games and especially tactical shooters. When you don't need to have the "right friends" to form a team in this genre, more people may find this enjoyable. Sorry, EFT is not a tactical shooter as much as fanboys want it to be. Glad you didn't really cover it in this context.

[@Contredanse]

For me, I want a planning game like R6 Ravenshield but with competent AI team mates that can execute plays on their own while taking player position into account. For example, you plan routes for squads to take including hold points in the planning phase. But in the execution phase, they take domination points in rooms and perform bounding overwatch automatically. And if you're in the stack, the AI adjusts automatically (i.e. You go left, team goes right.) I don't want to micromanage elite operators.

[@bradenfredrick2720]

5:46 whenever I play insurgency I get pissed when people say "why are you using nods" bc I don't got gamma maxed out to see in the dark like a fairy the game is made to be a realistic tactical shooter irl you would be blind not able to see clearly...

[@TheButterAnvil]

Super common issue in games with night vision. I don't really see a way to fix it considering you can literally just adjust your monitor to see in the dark. Unfortunate

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

in the mimi real time stealth isometric games like shadow warriors or desperados , where u control a squad of infiltrators with unique skills in a complex top down map, u can que up recorded actions with each member in position and then at the press of a button they will act it out, either as a team at once or individually depending on the situation, I can be controlling a character directly while this is going on, I feel this feature would greatly benefit stealth games like metal gear and tactical shooters single player .

[@TheButterAnvil]

Love those games

[@derptomistic]

Rainbow Six 3 also has a fun mechanic where after finally reaching the hostage room and clearing the guards without them just killing the hostages, unless you immediately slap cuffs on the hostages they can just wander away, especially if you used flashbangs. This can result in them opening doors with angry armed Venezuelans behind them, getting your squad and themselves killed. Also you can cheese the guards by dropping a smoke grenade at the bottom of a door before letting your team open it. That way the guards don't see the man in tactical gear standing directly in front of the door trying to throw a flashbang in. Keeps them from executing the hostages too since that behavior only triggers when they aggro.

[@lmaoocolors9825]

Alot of shooters blindly follow the "unspoken" rule of what direction the bullet goes when you are not ADS, they just make the bullet go completely the wrong way.

[@ForeignSpazm]

I miss squad shooters. Rainbow six, ghost recon, socom, and Brothers in Arms were my favorite games growing up without internet.