Should You Buy a 2025 Subaru Forester? Thorough Review By A Mechanic

[@dondonaldson1684]

Smaller screen, physical HVAC. Your comment is 💯 spot on.

[@ornative7514]

I agree.

[@oatbear8243]

This screen alone is why I’d never buy a Subaru.

[@donbranch87]

In other words, the design used in the previous version of the Forester. I have a 2021 model, and can't see myself 'downgrading' to the 2025 infotainment system. Try again Subaru - bigger screens aren't necessarily better. I'm watching the road, not playing a video game.

[@jimr549]

​@@oatbear8243 what are you going to buy then? Everything has screens.

[@Francisco-po1cf]

If they did that, young people wouldn’t buy them and eventually go out of business as older people stop buying. Young people like technology in their vehicles.

[@robellen1609]

I'm a loyal Toyota and Suburu owner. 100% agree, that screen is brutal. Smaller screen with hvac dials would be a significant improvement.

[@RM.....]

24 Forester had knobs and a small screen. But enough people whined and Subaru gave in and put a giant screen and no knobs .Dumb

[@freeman48083]

The pin on the door is to transfer load during a side impact. Keeps the passengers safer.

[@toronado455]

why is it down low? i thought all doors had the pin up near the latch.

[@atticstattic]

It's to keep the door closed in a collision.

[@gm-zz8so]

anti burst pin

[@axiomic]

@@toronado455 it's a second pin in addition to the door latch pin, to stop the lower part of the door folding inwards in a low side impact.

[@ashyu_]

They had those for at least 2 decades. My 05 Legacy has them.

[@wheresthepictureidk2817]

The screen in a gimmick in an otherwise no gimmicks car. And as a Subaru owner I would definitely prefer buttons and knobs.

[@yuvalz]

Totally! Not upgrading until some knobs are back. And boy are the graphics on the screen outdated looking.

[@tedm7143]

2003 Impreza, 2008 Outback Sport, 2013 BRZ, 2016 WRX STI, 2020 WRX STI -> 2024 Ford Maverick The Maverick's build quality isn't as nice but that is reflected in price point. The #1 thing I love about my Maverick is the physical audio and HVAC controls. No CVT also. Subaru is losing the plot.

[@shnerp]

I have a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek The only thing to fail after 9 years was the touchscreen. Everything else is perfect with regular maintenance.

[@kiwikidusa]

@@shnerp Excellent point. Can you image these new Subarus surviving for 20 years like my 2005 Forester with out having to spend a fortune to repair it? Now you need a $2000 (for a decent one) computer to relearn the CVT after an oil replacement or doing a brake pad replacement.

[@dm19609721]

if they kept it no gimmicks I think the reviews would be better....I have the touch screen and hate it.

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

I give Subaru props for equipping the vehicle with a spare tire. I can't believe it has come to this these days that a spare tire is a surprise now.

[@geraldthompson4633]

@@michaeltrinidad1217 yup. under the bs of space and or weight savings….bollocks!

[@philweiland5391]

they did take it out of their Impreza hatchback just like toyota did with their corolla hatchback

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

@philweiland5391 I will not purchase a vehicle without a spare tire. As comsumers we need to stand up and let dealers and auto manufacturers know! NO SPARE NO SALE!

[@geraldthompson4633]

@@michaeltrinidad1217 don’t let anyone pull a fast one on you trying to offer to get you one or that you can get one at parts. If it doesn’t have one from factory it probably never will

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

@@geraldthompson4633 they are now eliminating the space to put a spare if you want to get one on your own.

[@WilliamDobler]

Physical dials are the best! helps keep your eyes on the road

[@ssg8335]

Need to show subaru this comment section. I value simplicity, quality, reliability. Infotainment and electronics tend to fail.

[@KrustyKrabPizza85]

The way this guy does reviews: It's like watching an awesome live encyclopedia.

[@jullyangreen7106]

😂😂😂😂

[@strykerentllc]

LOL he missed covering the viscous coupler in the AWD system as well as the carrier bearing being present on the proper shaft, he failed to note that uneven tire rollout will result in destruction of the viscous coupler which is a $1500 item when needing to be replaced, he failed to note there's no longer a turbo option being available and he missed mentioning the lack of a manual transmission which is no longer available. Let's also note that he calls it a "ferESTer". Must be the 'Great Value' encyclopedia selling at Walmart...

[@denniss1211]

@@strykerentllc Also did not show the VERY wide opening of the drivers door. Big and tall men love this wide door. Small ladies don't like having to reach FAR out to close the door from a setting position ...

[@strykerentllc]

@@denniss1211 He was sitting in it and he's al; pf 5'6". LOL Look at the seat position and reevaluate how "wide" the door is. LOL This car is made for tiny people and he barely fits in it.

[@alexiz689]

Every person considering a new vehicle should watch these videos. It's such a valuable learning experience.

[@ZeGermanHam]

I am a Subaru owner and purchased a new 2023 Crosstrek at the end of that generation's production run after I saw that the 2024 model implemented the large touchscreen with no physical knobs. It was a *major* part of my purchase decision. Subaru needs to bring back physical buttons and knobs for fan speed, vent selection, recirculation, A/C, heated seats, etc.

[@bwest-yq3uc]

They make phones calling illegal because it make you take your off the road too much. Now, The auto makers are making you use their consoles that about 2 or 3 phone calls time wise. Congress has to do something about regulating these consoles and unsafe practices. TIME to start writing Congress about safety issues on these consoles. I have written mine on different makes and models. It is getting extreme on your privacy and personal information, which the auto makers are selling to all takers, even your insurance companies about your speeds and locations and times and mileages, etc. Gee.

[@freedomisnotnegotiable]

I just picked up a 2024 ascent. And I had also the concern with physical buttons but also have to say it’s not that bad. They have not completely abandoned physical buttons, you still have volume, tune knips and even the temperature ist a physical button for passenger and driver also defrosters. And most people have the AC in auto mode anyway. Yes two or three more buttons wouldn’t be to bad but it’s not that the car is ruined, it’s not that they went in full mode like other manufacturers do

[@TMS5100]

I hope more consumer reject this stupid fad of removing all buttons and slapping a huge screen on everything. Just because tesla does something doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[@jimr549]

24 Crosstrek owner here and I love the big screen. The automatic climate control is always on and the temp controls are buttons.

[@jedibusiness789]

Touch the AC button, and climate screen appears, then you can deselect the AC so you can select fan speed without AC. Lot of button pushing

[@NSO1505]

The only car reviewer that matters. Much better than redline and all other media.

[@mambi74]

"redline" - ewwww.. please, not even in the same universe! LOL

[@ItsAlive111]

@@mambi74 the redline guy got a 0-60 machine to expand his technical review section of the cars he reviews 😅

[@stewartcampbell4895]

Redline is a joke.

[@noeldelira9480]

I absolutely agree. He is very thorough in his review, not just externals, the icing, but the MEAT of the car.

[@mambi74]

@@ItsAlive111 LOL!

[@laurielavallee411]

Subaru Forester Wilderness owner here. Love the ‘22 version rather than the updated infotainment version. My opinion is the same as yours. Too obtrusive and challenging to navigate. Great review as always!

[@bradskrypto9212]

2023 forester wilderness has the climate dials and small screen … best of both worlds

[@subiesojourner777]

I have a 2024 Forester Wilderness and love it. My first Subaru ever and after 7,200 miles, so far not one issue.

[@ChicagoOutfit1900]

My local Subaru salesman stated that metal piece located at the bottom of the passenger door is for safety reasons. That metal piece lines up with a hole on the side of the seat. It's an added structural boost to prevent the door from crumbling in on you.

[@timvalli3270]

We own a 25 touring model- we love it, more than enough power city or hwy- smooth ride and unbelievable interior features

[@zanesutherland406]

Dear Subaru, we want physical climate controls! And still have an integrated dash screen for Apple CarPlay etc. also more horse power in general would be nice. Great review, it’s nice to see quality. We have tons of Subarus here in MT and for good reason. I have an ‘07 Outback 2.5 manual. Love the car despite some mechanic issues, and find it to be a worthy platform to fix.

[@denniss1211]

Then don't buy a Forester ... (purchased my '23 Limited in Helena)

[@ChrisLocke]

One of the challenges with using a screen while the vehicle is in motion is accidentally touching something else and while driving doing a troubleshooting session to undo whatever it was. Physical controls allow for better feedback when selecting an item and car motion easily results in mis-selections with touch screens. We upgraded from a 5th gen to the 2025 and appreciate the nuances except the infotainment system. Thanks for the detailed review!

[@denniss1211]

Sorry .... from you debugging example ... a second person should be doing the troubleshooting while you drive and comment.

[@antoniolepore8155]

Agree about the display. I own 2 Subarus'. I much prefer the Horizontal Display (like in the RAV-4). First it should be elevated so you minimize looking down while driving (Safer). Second, below the Horizontal Display should be physical buttons which are easier to manipulate while driving (Safer). Thank you for your review.

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Fully agree 👍It was a time when ac multiscreen was sitting on top of dash and headunit was smaller 7" touch unit which was as "lazy " as current version 😕

[@vmpgsc]

2024 Crosstrek Limited owner... We HATE the HVAC controls and how slow the entire infotainment system is. Plus, for a big screen, they make the buttons so small they're hard to hit when the car is reacting to suspension movement.

[@ZeGermanHam]

I bought a '23 Crosstrek Limited while they were still on dealer lots after I saw the redesigned '24 model with touchscreen. Subaru definitely needs to go back to using physical buttons & knobs for all models.

[@Origamiiiiiiiiiiii]

Agree. Have a ct 24 sport love the car but the infotainment is the only bad part. Hard to hit any button while driving

[@MrAfrica1963]

Agree wholeheartedly with the bad screens. Why the screens? Why not simple round dials for the temperature. And I also agree with the seats. They need to be longer for proper thigh support and wider.

[@itaithyking]

I agree. Physical dials are the best!

[@timdeatherage4465]

Please keep doing what you are doing. Probably the best comprehensive review I have seen. It’s great that you are able to speak to both mechanical and design aspects.

[@garycorrick]

We own a 2017 Subaru Legacy. The infotainment screen is a nice size with real buttons and dials for the HVAC. It works so well. I agree that I don't like the change.

[@Mi-rk3wz]

I think the guide under the backdoor is a safety measure. It will prevent the door from moving too much in the accidents. Thanks for the awsome reviews.

[@stanleysourelis5104]

Yes, it’s to prevent intrusion from a side impact. I’m surprised he didn’t know that.

[@bwest-yq3uc]

is it going to make it harder to open the door in a side collision?

[@stanleysourelis5104]

@@bwest-yq3uc I don’t believe it will

[@Mi-rk3wz]

@@bwest-yq3uc I hope not. I wanna think that the Subaru engineers who have thought about a safety mechanism that adds to the door integrity in case of a crash, have also thought about its adverse effects and have minimised them.

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Nope because this metal sill pin will break on stronger impact like front door side impact bolts,adding that pin on the bottom makes door more resistant to side impact collision deformation so its better chance so afterwards door frame will not deform and rescue team will be open door without cutting them out like in most cars side impact, ​@bwest-yq3uc

[@user-cr3fz8lz2i]

My wife just bought a 2025 Forester Sport, pick it up in a couple days. We drove a Forester Sport and loved it over the Outback and Ascent. Lots of options, great safety, simple, and inexpensive…not cheap. She’ll get the magnetite gray with bronze wheels and accents. She loved it at first site…and she doesn’t care for dark cars! It’s replacing her 15 year old Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.7L V8. The old Jeep is showing her age with numerous issues popping up.

[@tfbond8687]

I couldn't agree with you more on the screen We are on our second Forester, headed for #3. What really appealed to me for these vehicles was physical knobs for the radio and the heating and a/c system. Virtual buttons are a big annoyance when you try to adjust them when traveling down the road - they verge on being a safety issue - definitely does not align with Subaru's focus on safety.

[@konbonwa]

I own a 2025 Subaru Forester base model with 2500 miles on the clock. The previous Forester model generation had an electromechanical thermal control valve (TCV) that was prone to failure. Thankfully Subaru gave up on the TCV and returned to a reliable mechanical thermostat in the 2025 model Forester. The 2025 FB25 engine has slightly less horsepower than the 2024 model with slightly more torque than the 2024 model. Personally, I will take this trade-off any day. The 2025 Forester chassis is said to be torsionally 10% stiffer than the 2024 model. I have the base model which has the smaller dual displays that do not have the large screen slow reaction time issues. I have no personal issues with the steering feel or centering at any speed even though I can sometimes feel a degree of electromechanical override from the steering rack at freeway speeds. Overall, the 2025 Forester is a no-nonsense car for no-nonsense people. The way that Subaru designed and built my car reminds me of the safety and functionality designed into those solid 1980s and 1990s Volvo station wagons and that's a good thing.

[@vjmtz]

I have the Touring and I agree. I think the improved reliability from that expensive TCV removal, and all the nice bells and whistles you get for being super affordable and had below MSRP makes this a great car. Cars from other brands are very expensive and any nice perks are tied to more expensive hybrids or higher trims in the $50k range.

[@sayedengine]

For safety, Hyundai provides a better safety system. As you know, the computer system in Subaru is slow and glitches sometimes, especially if you are surrounded by 3 cars, the risk of accident becomes higher OMG 😲

[@GarageWorx]

Any reason why you picked the base over premium? Seems like you get a lot more on the premium for a few grand more. I just wish the moonroof wasn't standard on the premium.

[@konbonwa]

​@@GarageWorx- I'm a minimalist driver that prefers simpler, more basic vehicles. For me, selecting the 2025 Forester base model was as much about what I didn't want as what I did want. In other words, I didn't want fake leather seats, any kind of moonroof, an all black interior, 18 inch wheels or the big slow infotainment screen. On the other hand, I did want a contrasting interior with light colored panels, light colored fabric seats, 17 inch wheels and a non powered rear hatch. And it turned out that the base model Forester with the subtle gray fabric interior fit my requirements above for a basic AWD SUV. Sure, the base model doesn't have X-Mode but from what I gather from long term Subaru owners and the internet, most drivers never need to use X-Mode.

[@GarageWorx]

@@konbonwa excellent. Thanks for your opinion.

[@Enock-eh3uq]

Much much better review than simply comparing cupholders and exhaust tips by some channels Thank you AMD Regards to Hossain

[@Amitriptyline10mg]

I‘ve never seen this AMD and his “Car Care Nut Reviews“ channel before today. I thoroughly enjoyed BOTH him AND it! Very enjoyable because of his knowledge, honesty, and casual sense of humor. Thanks for the ‘25 Forester review.

[@nancyisshopping7950]

I can appreciate how he politely says that the bronze is not his thing but I absolutely love the color. I’m picking up a 2025 Sport tomorrow with the bronze detailing was one of the things that sold me on it. I guess everybody likes different things.

[@eastcoastroadrunner]

Love your views on vehicles. Wife just bought this. I had to disconnect the inside camera that looks at her and bypass the start/stop and she turns off everything else before she drives it.. We do not like all that stressful big brother beeping and watching.

[@gaf0226]

Subaru Forester Touring '23 owner here. Man, you just spoke out what is on my mind in admiring Subaru's engineering prowess. Really love Subaru for keeping everything simple and keeping from the no brainer trends (except for the big screen).

[@MichaelNovello-q4i]

Wow. You got the point on the sealer right!! My 2016 Crosstrek with regular oil changes has sealer leaks which Subaru wants $5,200 to remove the engine, breakdown and reseal. Regular oil changes do NOT do reduce the possibility of sealant failure (and that's what the Subaru dealers have even stated). I want to like Subaru but just can't anymore. Stick with a Rav4 if you are going to keep for more than the warranty period.

[@golferpro1241]

Wow! $5,200!

[@cardenas333]

That sucks. Maybe an independent mechanic might be cheaper?

[@TimmieTennis]

That’s the inherent flaw of a boxer engine.

[@danielroberto9183-w8j]

I had a 2018 Forester with a small infotaintment system and a small screen. Now I own a '24 Crosstek with the very large screen the Subaru installed in the 2025 Forester. As time passed however and I learned it ( the screen) became smaller, meaning manageable. Although I miss the manual controls of my previous Forester, I'm totally used to the new one.. But HVAC controls I agree that they should be manual. Technoloy advances and one should embrace it. Same with the Auto Start/Stop. Many complain about it. My issue is with the 2 horses SOA took away from the engine. That'd be the only thing that would stop me from buying the '25 Forester. Incidentally, the "strange" color you allude to in your video is bronze.

[@imagingcommunicationscente4543]

Really like your reviews, and as a car enthusiast since 1985, like the content. Just a note though, I'm on my 6th new WRX, and 3 months ago I purchased a new 2024 WRX (new version, with manual 6 speed and eyesight tech) - and I just want to comment as a Subaru buyer since 1995, I love the large centre screen and its functionality, and from what I can tell, Subaru buyers absolutely want the large centre screen - for many reasons, including the screen being so large makes it beautiful to use. Not to mention, the screen being large is great for rear camera safety. But also, in the 2 months I've owned my 2024 WRX, I have not experienced any glitchiness whatsoever from the infotainment system, including the wireless Android Auto systems. Don't take this as me being critical, I really do like your reviews, but as a Subaru owner with these new systems and experience with them, it is important to hear our experiences, especially like mine, which have been perfect. Also, one small ask - I think it would really add to the reviews if you could mention where a car is actually built, for example, Japan, USA, Germany etc.

[@sorcererstone3303]

I hope someday, Car Care Nut can make an episode on why Subaru' s symmetrical AWD is so reputable & effective compared to most manufacturers. I know from previous video, he mentioned Subaru's vehicles have lower center of gravity because of the boxer engine. But there should be more to it.

[@justingarrett4125]

check out driving sports tv channel reviews on subaru's vs other brands

[@ozarklife9996]

Engineering explained has what you are looking for.

[@stuntmonkey00]

The simple fact of the matter is that Subaru builds the system to actually be used, not just as a spec sheet feature. Their AWD is full-time, so all 4 wheels are always being driven, and the systems can shove 100% of the power front or rear. You often seen with Honda and Toyota that their FWD-based AWD systems can only put 50% to the rear, and only do so when the system senses slip... so their AWD systems can't put as much power down to a non-slipping wheel as a Subaru or Audi Quattro system.

[@x5i5Mj]

I love how he pronounces Forester and how much he hates the copper trim on the seats and outside 😊 I love all your videos and please keep up the great quality content!

[@danrascal4045]

Great video. Yes, that giant, integrated touchscreen is the reason I am not buying one of these. Going through menus while driving is difficult. And one thing fails, I have to replace the whole screen which would be a massive cost.

[@davehill9479]

We are the very happy owners of a 2025 Forester Limited, and agree with your assessment of the screeen, to a point. The HVAC controls are difficult to access when driving, but the rest of it is fine. Also agree with the ride quality and quietness - much improved over our previous 2021. Would buy this again in a heartbeat!

[@bparkinson1234]

We just bought this car touring two months ago. Love the screen. It is fast and very well layed out. The guide pin on the rear doors is for side impact. No one else does it. You should do another video on all the safety aspects. The video cameras analytics in front of car to do adaptive cruise etc. stop the car. Also cross traffic sensors in rear we love. Also car will stop itself backing up if object is detected. The engine has lower increased torque for your 2hp loss also trans cut is adjusted to use this. Love the wrx steering compared to older version. Airbag coverage. Knee air bags also has an airbag curtain between front seats to block people banging up against each other look for tag on inside passenger seat. Show me another car that has this. Thanks for the video. Look forward to your next safety video on this. Take care

[@jparker1823]

As an owner of this model and trim, you gave a spot on review. The 11.6" screen is the downside of the interior. I like the revised engine which produces less particular matter and brings the torque 700 rpm sooner. Running 0w16 feels weird, but it seems fine so far. Yes, I wish it had a 6 speed manual or turbo option, but I'm considered an enthusiast and not the average Subaru buyer.

[@BohdanK82]

28:20 We bought 2024 Forester with the physical knobs and we love it. I'd rather have the analog knobs than the digital controllers for hvac. Imagine extreme cold temperatures and your screen freezes/ glitches... The knob on the back door is supposedly a part of a diagonal bar for a side collision protection. Also, I wish subaru would make auto engine on/off switch selection permanent like the line keeping assist button settings that stays off after new engine ignition.

[@clintperry5406]

Yes please Manual buttons for climate control

[@tonycraig6984]

You are the best car reviewer on KZbin. Because of your review my wife brought her second Forester. Its the best SUV on the market for the price. Thank You.

[@pattonmaclean4777]

One of my favorite youtube channels strikes again!

[@olizk]

I agree, I drive 2019 forester, its the perfect blend of screen and nobs control where its not distracting and essentials are ready to be controlled. Great review , very comprehensive, especially the mechanic’s perspective on motor & construction details.

[@chriswright9096]

I'm starting to realize that putting everything in the touchscreen is actually cheaper for the manufacturer than providing physical controls. I agree with you though. Physical controls are safer: much less time spent with eyes off the road.

[@melissasmess2773]

I replaced the broken GM radio in my Toyota with a large touchscreen radio, it's definitely more difficult to touch the correct radio preset and hunt around the presets. I like old radios better. Why did Toyota use a GM radio in my Matrix? GM is not good quality.

[@blissfuljoy6049]

I was just wondering that.

[@awepossum1059]

If something breaks you replace the entire thing instead of an individual part.

[@CH-sk2bl]

Agreed physical re definitely much better and easy to keep your eyes on the road!! Im sorry i dont care ifmits cheaper for them to profit more money...safety should be a big priority, especially when we are talking bout something as simple as adjusting my heat or ac!!

[@khalee95]

Less cutouts and fewer materials used in making the car.

[@pete4tune735]

I passed on a 2020 Outback because of the giant screen with no manual controls. Got the 2020 Forester which still had mostly manual controls but was far less comfortable seats and ride. Probably my last Subaru.

[@5ervalkat192]

Totally agree on the smaller screen and buttons to alter HVAC are better.

[@veronicaf.6680]

Over the years I’ve had many different makes, Mazda, Nissan, Ford, Olds, Chevy, Jeep, Chrysler etc but my last few have been the Forester Touring. Unlike other makes, I have had no issues with them. I take them in for oil changes and the required NY annual inspection and that’s it. Foresters are great in snow if you live in a snowy climate. It was nice to see your review since I’m taking delivery on a white 2025 Forester Sport on Thursday. I went with the Sport this time since they put suede on the seats of the Touring which I think would be a problem to keep clean with my dogs. Your review was great timing. Looks like i made a good choice.

[@jesusramos-my2qr]

Hope everyones day goes well today

[@honeyflo88]

Praise be to the Lord. Amen.

[@silicron]

Like other posters have said, the pin and socket on the lower part of the door is for safety. It adds structural rigidity in side-impact collisions. It keeps the door frame from crumpling at the level other cars do.

[@raptor15tor]

Agree 100% about the infotainment unit. Prefer HVAC to have buttons instead of touchscreen. I believe the guide under the doors are for safety and noise reduction. We have the similar setup on our 2018 outback as well

[@brucefogel1360]

That back door bracket is for safety on a side inpack. It will stop the door from crushing you

[@philo5096]

This nut is the best, love watching his vids.

[@brianwhitney9181]

Yes, a car maker who gets it about having a spare tire. A tire repair kit is useless if the tire is shredded.

[@melissasmess2773]

TPMS basically eliminated over heated shredded tire problems. I prefer to plug tires if I don't have to remove the wheel. 😅

[@joeblack1052]

@@melissasmess2773sure buddy Run over a piece of steel on the road and your tire is toast especially if it goes thru the tire wall which a high probability with low profile tires Maybe those lights in the rain storm are the tow truck Bet that tow truck has a spare😅

[@mowcowbell]

@@joeblack1052 Guess I'm either lucky, or a good driver. Been 45 years since the last time I actually had a blow out on the road. I see no need to carry around a spare tire for the 99.999% chance of me making to my destination with no tire problems.

[@joeblack1052]

@@mowcowbell just lucky Couple years ago I had a big roofing screw in my tire When got it plugged, the guy at tire place showed me a bucket of things they had pulled out of tires Let’s say that large screw paled in comparison to that scrap metal

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

No spare equals stranded on the shoulder for hours. Not to mention being in danger of a collision the whole time. Spare tires are an essential piece of equipment that should never have been eliminated!!!!!

[@Th3Think3r]

100% agree with the screen. I own a 2022 Forester and was happy they had yet to upgrade the Forester to the larger screen and still had physical dials/buttons. I look forward to your review of the Forester hybrid when it comes out in 2025.

[@fringedweller221]

I have operated my friend's top model Subaru with the big screen and I will agree that it is suboptimal as it ditracts from the drivers attention to the road to try to find the function you are looking for. I bought the base model with the smaller screen as you show at 25:14. It is very functional and not distracting at all. As you say these modern screens are a bit unecissary, I much prefer driving my 2002 Lexus Rx , with most controls in the old fashioned " buttons and knobs " format , but I think screens are here to stay and wee just have to get used to them . I would still highly recommend getting a Subaru base model ..you lose some of the conveniences like power seaats, heated seats , vents and USBs for the rear seat passengers but its still a great car for the money. Great review as always , you are one of my favorite KZbin presenters .

[@pennmikael]

great insight. as a 2018 forester owner, i’m inclined to keep my car as long as possible since it has a basic infotainment screen, granted my vehicle is still reasonably safe.

[@edimist1]

Thumps up. I have a 2012 Legacy and intend to keep it for life. With proper maintenance, still runs like new.

[@dennissmith6394]

I live in the UK and own an Outback, which I purchased in 2017. I too am a lover of dials as opposed to a large infotainment screen like the one on the Forester. I agree with many of the previous comments regarding that: let the Subaru design team read some of the comments about the screen and see if they take on-board the negative remarks about it and re-design it for future 'updated models'. I am currently waiting for a hybrid Outback or Forester to hit the UK market, which I think is somewhere around 2026. I hope Subaru have read some of the comments before it/they go on sale here. I like your review by the way. Very useful and informative. A test drive, (if possible) by yourself would have just completed the review. Many thanks. If you do get a chance to review a new hybrid Outback, (if one comes your way), please do so.

[@m3rdpwr]

They also for 2025 got rid of I think it's called the ECV, which is a coolant valve electronic component that was failing and they had to extend the warranty on. Now they went back to a standard system. That should help durability. I should mention that they didn't use that ECV on the turbo versions of Subaru. Finally, I agree with the infotainment system that it's a bit on the laggy side and a little troublesome. Coming from a 2014 ram 1500, it has a lot of separate buttons plus a large screen. I did get a TSB update for the infotainment system, and it has improved functionality. Btw, I own a 2023 outback touring XT as well. Nice vehicle.

[@yokoreia]

I still drive 2007 Forester, good basic simple and easy.

[@faheemabbas3965]

Waiting for the hybrid Forester that’s going to use Toyota hybrid tech

[@SergeiAgalakov]

I have two reasons not to buy Forester 2025: with the current combination of the engine and CVT Forester has problems to overtake anyone on a highway, and this stupid slow big screen. The hybrid Forester version is supposed to resolve the first problem, and may be by this time Subaru will decide to return to the physical knobs for HVAC. Too bad that it won't happen until 2026 and be this time I'll already buy my new car.

[@TheDrewfallin]

The knob on the door is to improve safety during side impact crashes. Adds another point of safety.

[@jaymoo5674]

I asked a Subaru dealers years ago about that thing sticking out of the rear door, it's to increase the side impact strength - it's a beam that goes across the door and that sticking out part anchors it for extra strength.

[@LoveMyZJ]

When the lease on my '21 Crosstrek was nearing it's end, I opted for a '23 Crosstrek before they sold out, instead of the '24 with the big tablet screen. 8" touchscreen and physical HVAC controls...it works perfect, and it's all I need. I'm assuming it's all to reduce cost by eliminating the physical controls, but I agree 100%, the system needs to be better.

[@urishaham2544]

The covered areas at the sides of the rear bumper have an acoustic purpose, these small square openings lead to the interior air pressure outlet vents at both sides of the trunk area (the flap vents allowing excess air pressure to escape from the interior when closing a door, etc). These covers help with managing low frequency sound from the exhaust, reducing the amount of it that reaches the interior of the car through these vents. The guide pin at the bottom of the rear doors is for safety, managing the way the door deforms in case of a side impact.

[@tango165]

2024 Outback Touring owner, love EVERYTHING about the car but the infotainment screen, so frustration…. Smaller good quality screen and knobs!!!! And possibly upgrade the cameras, video quality looks like it’s from 20 years ago. Great review Sir!

[@JP-cd8zt]

Good review, As a owner of a 2025 Forester , I agree with most things, I think you are a little hard on the engine, First it is very simple, no turbo, no egr, no garbage. It's very simple to service everything is up front. The Horsepower dropped 2 but the torque went up. Simple thermostat, no electric water control.The CVT works flawless smooth and does it thing. The door pin, is for crash safety. The Infotainment I agree could have been faster, But it is bright clear and easy to navigate, Large fonts, large icons works well with phones. It seems all infotainment systems across brands are weak and underpowered. Best of all Subaru has the best finance rates around.

[@OracleLearningchannel]

Subaru is the one with supper high finance rates in Canada!

[@trumpius_maximus47]

@@OracleLearningchannelMove to the States, friend.

[@JP-cd8zt]

@@OracleLearningchannel 4.9% in US of Forester, 2.9% on Outbacks

[@OracleLearningchannel]

@@JP-cd8zt In Canada, Outback 5.99, Forester 6.49 (48 or 60 months), while CRV 4.99, CX5 4.45

[@garystar1592]

@@OracleLearningchannel Honda CRV 2.99 %

[@G24184]

do review on the ford bronco 2.7 V6, it will make sense because you reviewed the Ranger 4 cylinder. and the bronco has the same 2.7 v6 as the ranger

[@deankraus9548]

I just drove my '25 forester sport 1200 miles over the weekend. Drove through Big Bend, TX National Park, and she performed flawlessly in the mountains. My 4th subaru and 3rd forester. Best cars EVER!

[@tomaskroupakkfoto4132]

They are unreliable...extremly prone to oil leaking/consumption, engine knocking, trans problems etc...I loved subaru, but they are really bad these days

[@harrahphotoman]

We had a 21 Forester Touring before buying our 25 Forester Touring. It handled the mountains beautifully, as well. Not a huge fan of the large touchscreen. I think the engineers felt that everyone else was going to huge, expansive screens and that owners expected Subaru to do the same. Peer pressure can sometimes lead to poor decisions.

[@harrahphotoman]

@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132I’m not a fan of the CVT transmissions, either, but Subaru’s CVT transmission is one of the better models.

[@tomaskroupakkfoto4132]

@since which year?

[@johnbee7729]

I am a long term Forester owner. When I saw the interior of the new Forester I said NO WAY - because of the lack of knobs and dials. Living in a northern climate, one will wear gloves / mitts in winter months. Heater controls and radio volume work well with gloves and mittens - screens do not. Won't consider buying one until the knobs / dials come back.

[@garystar1592]

Amen

[@saraaronzon4562]

You and Sarah-N-Tuned are amazing reviewers. Researching the Forester and this is so helpful.

[@gobear83]

so glad I purchased my 2024 Forester Wilderness….with the old style infotainment…love it. Fuel filler door is large , ready for the plug in for 2026

[@garyshaffer1981]

I agree with you about the lack of knobs for AC, etc. I have a 2018 Forester.

[@AB-jk7tw]

Great update if only it had more power and especially torque. Hopefully the hybrid will improve the power.

[@davem5403]

Very well done presentation actually talking about the transmission instead of 30 minutes about cupholders and things like most of the channels. With large computer screens you can't simply turn the heat up or down without taking your eye off the road. Bad design. We used to have buttons and knobs that quickly operate by feel and also have visual feedback because it's right there. Now things are in a submenu of a menu such as the fader, bass and treble. Some models we can't see any of it until you're on the right page. Hopefully someone is steering and watching the road while you're navigating the computer menu. Others are doing the same such as Honda. Mine had 22 buttons in several rows next to the screen with all the buttons the same exact shape and size. You couldn't tell anything by feel. They all get worse MPG than they should be because they all have extra large rims and tires that are wider and heavier with a rougher ride, less impact resistance, more expensive to replace, along with more wind resistance and rolling resistance for the life of the car, just for looks. It's a decent car but could be much better if marketing wasn't designing it instead of smart people.

[@lilalagomasino3042]

Yes! I have been waiting for you to review this car. The notch in the door is to help with side impact. I do wish it had more horse power. I do wish it had dual exost. I could do with less tech. I love the simplicity of the car.

[@davidfickey9253]

Dual exhaust does nothing except add weight to the car and cost of the car. But it looks cool !

[@Just-HitAWall]

Waiting to see what they got for the hybrid next year. Got a 10 year old car to replace and this SUV is on the top of the list.

[@gm-zz8so]

I own a 2014 outback and love this car. The great thing about Subaru is they don't discontinue parts for older cars ...even interior and seemingly unimportant parts...they just keep providing...wonderful.

[@lukemcdo]

The reason for the screens is it makes optioning easier between trims and add-ons. It's that simple. The alternative is button blanks, so I get it. The screen would be fine if there was a simple fan gauge with a defrost toggle where the front defrost button is. It could even be a digital "click gauge" with no fixed start point. The base model screen is quite literally a carryover from the previous infotainment system (particularly the 2017 and up Impreza).

[@harolddaley]

AMD- 100% agree on the InfoTainment System. I prefer the knobs and buttons. I don't know of any iPhones that last for ten years, so I am hesitant to believe the long term reliability of this $creen/$ystem. Brought my wife to test drive a Forester, not expecting to buy one. They had this 2025 Sport model in the show room. After the test drive, salesman says he didn't have a Premium, but would make us a ridiculous offer on the Sport. Did not expect him to take off $4800. So we took it for $34,100. The ride is smooth on nice roads, handles great. Handles a little truck-like over the bumps. We loved our previous new Legacy, and love this car as well. With your channel as my resource, I just bought the 2024 Rav4 Hybrid XLE earlier this year. AMD- thank you to you and Mrs CCN. I enjoy all of your content, and your channel is invaluable. And Thank You for sharing your life story --God Bless you and your Family!

[@Lex-rt7vd]

You bought a 20 year old RAV4?

[@freedomisnotnegotiable]

@@harolddaley I have plenty of old phones the screens work unless I broke them. And the screens of phones is used much more, especially compared to the screen I. The Subaru that still has important functions on physical buttons

[@WilliamK-e1j]

How it’s compared to RAV4 on holistic basis in terms of performance and quality?

[@Francisco-po1cf]

Companies that don’t understand what young people want risk going out of business because young people wouldn’t buy them. They’ll buy other brands that update their tech. The main people buying ES 350 are older. If they keep that design for 10 more years, sales will drop as older buyers stop buying and young people buy the competition and other Lexus cars. I have a 6 year old iPad that has been exposed to hot and cold temperatures and it’s still going strong even with the latest software updates.

[@harolddaley]

@@WilliamK-e1j I was campaigning for the Hybrid Corolla Cross, but the Forester was my 2nd choice, - just about 9 cubic feet difference in the cargo from my Rav4 Hybrid. The wife didn't like the location of the door handle?!?, so that killed the deal. Corolla Cross ran so smooth. I thought she was a goof for buying a Prius V 10 years ago, but we haven't put a dime into that Prius in 10 years. The Toyota Hybrids now come with 10 year/150,000 mile warranty. And I am obsessed with my driving habits, watching the MPG hover between 45-47 MPG. I'm very used to the Hybrid now, but the Forester is peppy- good for my wife's heavy foot. Rav4 runs a little smoother than the Forester, but neither ride like a Lincoln. I like them both- Rav4 = 1A, Subaru = 1B!

[@bidbuytomasito]

You provide the best car review videos. Appreciate what you do, mad respect, and look forward to the next. Do you take requests?

[@Xmvw2X]

I REALLY want to see the 2.4L from the BRZ in these cars. 228HP vs 180HP, and you're not even getting more torque from this 2.5L. The 2.5L is just a cheaper. An extra 48HP would be really beneficial on this heavy body. What's equally bad is the OG EJ251 2.5L from the late 90s and early 2000s there's been very minimal gain from those early years, only 15HP increase in 25 years. The new 2.4L in the BRZ is quite nice, and it's a shame it's not used in more models. It'd make these cars a lot more peppy. This is especially true with the bigger Legacy/Outback chassis which has felt quite under powered for 20+ years when using the base engine.

[@ytj22]

The 2.4L from the BRZ is fun in that car, but is premium recommended and it has atrocious fuel economy.

[@johnfricano2591]

As usual, a very thorough review!! I have a 2024 Forester and it has the split Infotainment screen WITH climate control knobs. The touch display is still not fast responding but I prefer the dials along with the touch screen. Another omission is the lack of a temperature gauge on the dash that IS on the 2025.

[@wespotter6985]

You missed the Eyesight safety system, a class leading inovation. It elevates the product, above the competion. Also, engine torque is up, giving better initial acceleration.

[@Hallowsaw]

I own 2 subarus but... it really is not class leading. There is a reason subarus have dropped off of iihs top safety lists

[@spambobspampants]

I don't want it

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

Most cars in this segment have some sort of lane-centering + ACC system now.

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Eyesight is not totally bad system but it fails in h,fog,rain, snow Eyesight cpu get lost the same like normal Eyesight so adding rear tech will be great improvement but it will never going to happen as then subaru may not claim so they are best in seafty tech on the market..

[@fendermon]

Engine torque is great on these.

[@anthonys8923]

We are considering buying a new Outback. My Wife and I both agree, we want manual HVAC controls(knobs that you can adjust instantly while not taking your eyes off the road) and no giant touchscreen.

[@high-techredneck2300]

I like that it's got more of a wagon silhouette like the old ones did. Actually looks like a modern version of the early 2000s outback. but also everyone knows for soobies the lisence plate mounts the the front row hook. Lol. Please bring back physical HVAC controls and stainless exhaust

[@Treeplanter73]

Subaru's AWD, is bulletproof. They dominate in snow.

[@jedibusiness789]

I have a premium model (fleet car). Although I’m not a subie fan, it’s growing on me. Adapt cruise is selectable and better than a Camry. Full time AWD holds speed on hill descent and CVT is smooth on rolling hills. You can quickly drop it in low for passing. All my coworkers with the small screen want the full screen of the 25.

[@Dukiedukester]

After 30 years with Subaru, I left because of the cvt and no manual 6 option. I’m still holding onto my 2015 6mt Forester, but recently replaced my older Forester with a Mazda CX-5, which has a real transmission-loving it!

[@miladsaeed3770]

I was in the market for brand new car , drove forester and feel its noisy coming from the engine , ended up with CX5

[@brovold72]

"On-center feel" is an important concept; my Ford Focus doesn't pull but it tends to wander. Especially noticeable with higher-profile vehicles.

[@MechayaAlta]

Our family has owned 7 Subarus over the years. The 1996 and 2001 had head gasket issues. Best part is the visibility and good ground clearance. Currently have a 2023 Outback Onyx 2.5. We ordered it without a sunroof or GPS. The startex seats are easy to clean and don’t seem to get as hot in the summer compared to leather. I’m 75 years old and like the big screen that I use with the wireless Apple car play. The turbo is not needed unless you live in a high altitude state. I believe the mini spare tire space can hold a full size spare. We get 35 mpg on the highway going about 70 mph. We Chose this one over the Forester so we can sleep in the back while camping on an 6 foot Exped mat, and there is more headroom without a sunroof. Our second around town car is a small EV.

[@ToddWaddell]

Lots of Forrester and Outback reviewers knock the cars’ steering without understanding the cars’ purpose and segment. Great job focusing in on the steering feel that buyers are looking for!

[@THX5000]

Please do a review of the new Nissan Frontier 4x4. Thanks!

[@georgeropeson]

Don't agree in all what you don't like but review was excelent! What about off-road capabilities - is it same or better against wilderness previous models ?

[@minnybiker4505]

They tweaked the motor to increase torque by 2 ftlbs, and in that change it reduced horsepower by 2. That's why.

[@toronado455]

yes

[@fendermon]

Torque is terrific on "25 models.

[@chcrecruiterwest]

Agreed with comments about the need for physical dials & controls for some items.

[@a.j.vonregensburg2498]

The “ Fore-ester” as it is referred to in this video is a great car. I’ve had several and the engineers on this edition really earned their paycheque ….many subtle and excellent improvements.Love driving it in any conditions

[@TheMr.Logan9]

The reason why I purchased a 2017 SJ chassis Forester. Radio was easy to switch out with a modern head unit that has all the features, and I still get physical HVAC controls. It has a 6-speed manual, drives fantastic after you get the gearing down, and loving not paying for premium gas if I got the Turbo.

[@alexmandilaras5535]

2016 Forester owner here. I agree with you about the screen. I really don't care for it. I like subarus for the full time awd and ground clearance, and foresters in particular for visibility. This will probably be my next car, but I don't care for that stupid infotainment system.

[@nuc_lab]

I jumped on a 2024 Forester after seeing what was coming for the 2025 model. The infotainment system and lack of physical controls was a deal-breaker. That, and the fact that it's beginning to look like a Fordester (or is it Explorester?). The dealer asked why I wanted a 2024, and after I told him, he said he's been hearing a lot of that. I hope some of that customer input gets relayed back to the design team.