Israel Keyes: The Phantom Psychopath

[@kelseym4191]

Ladies, if you’re ever accosted by someone who tells you to get in the car: Literally the #1 rule of self preservation is never let an assailant take you to a second location. They’re lying to you, they won’t let you go. You are most likely going to be killed. It’s better to tell them they’ll have to kill you there. Do. Not. Get. In. The. Car.

[@snow5962]

She was seen on camera, I believe, trying to run away from him.

[@saritacruz3020]

Absolutely 💯

[@joshstanton267]

Yep if you don't know how to sprint like the wind, then best start learning. It's the best self defence technique known to man.

[@dandylionsloth446]

So much better to die from being stabbed or shot then taken to a secondary location, wonderful advice! A vast majority of violent crimes against woman are committed by someone she knows, so they rarely need to use force to get her to a secondary location. Stop pretending you are in an Life Time movie.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

@@dillongage you're forgetting that those rape and sexual assault cases are majority from inmates who are incarcerated. While yes a man is more likely to be attacked randomly on the street, please realize the nuances within these statistics instead of hearing them once, and then parroting the statistic when this advice is for a random attack, and not in a scenario where you're both in prison. Women are actually more likely to be victims of kidnapping so even then your point is moot. Just don't be so fucking butthurt just because someone doesn't use gender neutral pronouns so you can feel more included.

[@LawrenceArnell]

I was a terrible criminal before. But with Simon’s helpful tips, I’m sooooo good at murder now. Thanks Simon! 5 ⭐️ highly recommend!

[@darkdest6664]

AAAAH U broke the rule of admitting to your crimes ***smacks with vegetable*** Bad criminal!

[@disastrousduckling]

Do niot talk about fight club

[@blackbird_entropy]

@@darkdest6664 I imagined the "AHHH" like how Simon sounds like when Jen pitches his voice up sometimes

[@WeatherWeasel66]

i hate to see you wasting your time watching these videos and not learning anything.

[@angeleide1344]

Rotflmao😂

[@KimM-jy6if]

When you were talking about actually meeting a psychopath, it brought back memories of when I was in college. I took a theater class where we had to work with a partner for a few weeks on a project. Arriving at class late one day, I was assigned the only other person who didn’t already have one. He was a very strange guy who was seriously overweight, with a disheveled appearance who always carried a burlap bag on his shoulder and constantly shook. If he talked it was with a mumble and he would never look anyone in the eye. However, if he was reciting a Shakespeare monologue he would do a relatively good job. Anyway, I had a seriously strange feeling about him and after really trying to make the best of the situation , I approached the professor asking if I might be able to change partners because we didn’t seem to be working well together. The professor demanded a reason for my request and I eventually explained to him that the guy gave me the serious creeps and I was going to have to accept a poor grade in the class instead of fulfilling the assignment. Anyway, fast forward 6 years latter , I arrive home late after spending the day teaching high school history classes ( I’d obviously abandoned my theatre ambition lol) and turned on the local news. There he was, my former theater partner in front of a judge confessing to a murder that had happened 9 years ago when he had been a high school student. It had just been discovered that as a junior in high school he had murdered a little boy in his neighborhood, boiled his bones and had been displaying them in his room and claiming to those who inquired that they were simply just theatre props! He had finally gotten caught because he had attempted it again by luring another young boy ( this time an older paperboy) into his house and attacking him. Fortunately, the boy was able to escape and his parents reported it to the police. They investigated and that’s when they found out what had happened to the little 5 year old years earlier! So yes, my theatre partner had been a murderer and my strange feelings about him had been correct!

[@heyysimone]

Theres a thing about that. 'getting the creeps' is actually a real phenomenon that people get. Not just the 'eww youre creepy' kind of way for some who comes across as gross and inappropriate, but actually gives you the creeps - makes your hair stand up, makes your heartrate increase, your fight or flight response skyrocket and a feeling of 'get away now'. Its kind of like when you get a weird feeling of needing to leave somewhere because you dont feel right, and you do and then something bad happens, or you dont cross the road even when you can, because something puts you off, and then a car comes shooting down the road. Your senses take in information and your brain takes that info and lets you know what to do, before your mind actually realises why you need to do something to keep yourself safe, youve already done it.

[@nah-y4e]

Maybe he did things like that because everyone rejected him and wouldn't even be his classmate in highschool

[@ThunderStruck15]

@@nah-y4e what, so we have to be nice to people or else we get murdered? Yikes, no, my dude.

[@nursenicole222]

Likely the guy was strange from the way he was raised and had a personality disorder and that’s why he was a murderer.

[@RandomPeasant2467]

What was the name of this guy 🗿

[@lorgaraurelian3392]

One of the most disturbing parts of this video is that the FBI has a "snuff film expert", that person has got to be damaged.

[@JenniferSteil28]

My mom works in IT for a large company that has a large footprint with the government. She was part of the team that developed their eDiscovery team (the team that gets to look at your online proclivities even though you thought you wiped your history). She has had to sit as an expert on more than a few kiddie picture cases over her tenure in this role (over 20yrs now). She is fully warped now. I stopped including her on pictures of my kids, because she would pick apart every sick way someone could get off to whatever is seen, no matter how innocent and not explicit they were (no pictures of baby feet, no pictures of them at the pool or beach, no bath time pics with everything completely covered by the tub itself or anything really, no diaper only pictures, no pictures of them wanting to walk around in mommy’s heels because they sound funny…I think you get the picture…) she would find issue with any picture I had of them, but would cry that she doesn’t have any pictures of my kids.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

@@JenniferSteil28 I always feel bad for the agents that have to help gather evidence in child related cases. They should get free therapy for life.

[@JenniferSteil28]

@@DizzyedUpGirl my mom 100% needs therapy, but she’s a boomer and a born again Christian. Boomers still tend to believe that you’re not supposed to admit that you’re having problems with your mental health, and that all therapists, counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and their respective nurse practitioners are all “shrinks”. She’s on antidepressants and anxiolytics, and calls them her “crazy pills”, but refuses to find a licensed therapist because she already has the ultimate therapist…Jesus. Kk She got so mad at me once, because she was verbally ideating (talking about how easy it would be to just run in to the concrete divider on the freeway), so I told her doctor about it. I’ve told her many times that she need to check herself in to the best facility that her insurance covers, because one of these days, she’s gonna say something like that around someone who has the ability to perform a forced 48hr hold, and the facility she’ll be admitted to won’t be nearly as nice as the one she would be in if she were to admit herself.

[@Anon_E_Muss]

​@@JenniferSteil28 if I had children I wouldn't post anything about them online for those exact reasons. Your mom means well.

[@eunicezayas3216]

@@Anon_E_Muss @jennifer steil - I totally agree. I would be happy to take pics and keep them encrypted on my phone, only sending them to trusted family members... you never know who is a sicko out there. i don't want to add on to the pile of photos they could get off to, especially if it were to get shared in pedo circles...

[@jamessingleton1949]

I know you used to say you were not fond of cold reading the longer episodes but i think i speak for a large majority of your fan base when i say i always get super happy when i see an hour + long episode so i can kick back, relax and enjoy your content! I always take all the videos you release over a day or two and put them in a play list and watch them all the way through! Love all your content, keep up the amazing work!!

[@birdielein9636]

Yup. That was me. I was playing games on my iPad, and chilling with the episode. It was a shitty day and this brightened (?!) it right up. Maybe brightened isn't the right word, but it took my mind off other things!

[@jamessingleton1949]

@@birdielein9636 i know the feeling! I usually go out in the garage, put a playlist on and work on a car for work or mt own.

[@winston6175]

Truth

[@Mr_Miles_45]

Love the cold read, Simon is on the journey with us and is a live comment section with his tangents

[@ridleyroid9060]

Same same, highly second

[@CookerCeiling38]

As a recovering addict in long term recovery, it is extremely frustrating and disappointing that the police automatically assumed that because of her past, she must be the culprit, all while laying dead in a shed after being kidnapped and raped. History of addiction? Must have been her. Sad. People change, people heal, people grow.

[@night2521]

Even if she had been on a bender looking for her may have saved her life! It's very frustrating. Congrats on your recovery, by the way c:

[@chrisbarker2700]

Tell me about it. I have been sober over 10 years now and love every day of it. Yet I still get accussed for crap I no longer do and never would. But you cause a lot of damage during your addiction and people just don't believe or trust you. But she wasn't on heroine. Weed and Liquor are much easier to quit than heroine ever was.

[@chrisbarker2700]

@@night2521 Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[@vickibart3491]

​@@chrisbarker2700alcohol is incredibly difficult to quit. Physically, the withdrawals alone can kill you. But it's also the social and socially acceptable aspect. You don't go to a work party and celebrate with heroin (in most jobs), but most you'd have some beers or wine. You can also very easily access alcohol without needing a plug or to be sneaky if you're of age. Every addiction is a bitch to kick, but some are just easier to maintain. Even in the same vain, food. I've lived with an eating disorder for over a decade. You can quit heroin, weed, coke or booze and not have to microdose every day. Food, you need to survive. Kicking any addiction is amazing and huge. Every recovering addict should be super proud of themselves and for facing whatever it is that's going on for them sober.

[@lexion2772]

People also re-lapse. Let's be fair.

[@SkunkApe407]

We love the family updates, Fact Boi. It's always nice to hear about Mrs. Whistler and the wee Whistlers.

[@kcollier2192]

The wee wee Whistlers? 😀

[@SkunkApe407]

@@kcollier2192 Am I right, Peter?! 🤣

[@mykemech]

Like seeing his love for the Whistlets

[@SkunkApe407]

@@mykemech it does warm the cockles, doesn't it?

[@mykemech]

@@SkunkApe407 It does!

[@EddieAntis4]

My heart broke for Simon a bit in the beginning when he was thinking the girl survived

[@Jusuff]

Me too. Especially since i've listened to many videos about this case and i know what's gonna happen

[@ringlhach]

I was a little surprised he thought she would. It all sounded like analysis of video footage to me.

[@bookladydavina]

same here.. since I'm from the area and remember the case... :(

[@seanmccarty1176]

I know. I thought oh no he's gonna be so sad.

[@Emily-ye1rj]

I like this case, it's interesting, but the optimism there kinda hurts

[@MaarisMau]

it's really sweet and delightful to hear simon talk about his children and how innocent and cute they are. It shows how much he loves them. Really appriciate these kind of breaks within those stories.

[@WitchyTrista]

Just for the record, Israel Keyes was said to be a really great father to his daughter, who he got custody of, over his ex...

[@catherine_404]

The content of these distractions is wholesome, is nice to know Simon as a person, he's extremely likeable. However, many of these distractions stutter the narrative and make the story worse because I have to sift and sort. We like written prepared narrative for reason.

[@Tsumami__]

I kind of got distracted by the bizarre sympathy for the psychopath shooting the cat ramble to even notice

[@MarcNash]

Since I knew Keyes' story, there was a grim pleasure in watching your dawning realisation that this guy wasn't a rubbish criminal, but a highly organised, transcontinental one who was never a suspect in a single murder until he got arrogant and lazy and killed in his home town.

[@jacksonbaumert2256]

I was hoping someone else would feel like this lmao

[@jwinnfield9192]

i feel like in truth he was more of an extremely luck blessed hapless average intelligence type… heavily into ICP is not generally the pursuit of above average intelligence types of people, largely due to the insane part being literal and pertinent

[@OhSnapAGirl]

We all have that one killer that fascinates/terrifies us. Keys was mine from a young age. So it was splendid watching him figure out the truth of this meek small man.

[@blissbased]

I don't think he was particularly smart or anything... he was just extremely sick and needed more extreme highs, things become an addiction for people, the same thing happened with Dahmer, in my opinion. In some way these people seemed rather controlled in the beginning of their terrible doings, but .... actually they were never in control, actually they were addicted to killing people and necrophilia and the addiction took over more and more.

[@jordancave3089]

@@OhSnapAGirl you said we all have that killer that fascinates/terrifies us…idk that I would describe it like that, but this is the one case(I’ve heard it told by many different channels) and obviously it’s always incredibly sad…but this one stuck out to me. Idk if it’s for any one particular reason, or if it’s just an accumulation of all the fd up stuff that happened. I just remember being in the shower…and something made me think about this case…and it just made me like, legitimately angry, man. I was thinking about what must have been going through her mind…and how he couldn’t care less. I specifically remembered the part about how he cut off (or loosened) her restraints, and told her that her dad was going to pay the ransom(or something like that) and the POS said she just finally was able to take a deep breath, and for the first time in awhile…he could tell that she felt a bit of relief, thinking she’s about to go home. However, he was just playing the sickest fkn game with her…yoked her up…and tied her right back down…then he left the building again…so at that point she must’ve known that he was going to kill her whenever he walked back into the little shed again…because she pissed all over herself. Obviously she was right…and like, I was thinking about it…exactly how I’m describing it right now…and right when(in my head) I realized that she knew she was going to die, and that’s why she pissed herself…this poor fkn girl is going through the worst and most disturbing type of trauma possible…and not only does she have to go through that…she’s going to die…and to top it alllllll off…this dude, that I don’t even know how to describe…he’s the one who gets to decide that her life is worth so little that it should end RIGHT NOW?!? The guy who kidnapped, raped, and tortured her…physically and mentally?!? And as if she hasn’t gone through enough, HE is the last thing this poor fkn girl will ever get to see/remember?!? That last thought ran through my head like 30 fkn times, I just kinda snapped for a second, and punched the shower wall?? Not incredibly hard, but still. I just kind of rested my hand there with my knuckles pressed onto the wall…and just did that thing where you zone out and stare off, but you’re not really looking at anything…and I stood there for idk how long…but the water got cold af. It’s nothing crazy…although for me, it is. I’m the furthest thing from an angry or aggressive dude…I literally can’t even remember the last time I got angry(outside of this) and obviously these cases are terribly sad, but even if something really bothers me like when I’m actually watching a true crime video…that’s one thing, but I had never gotten so frustrated just thinking about it, and at a completely different time. Like, dude…it was days, or even weeks later. Sorry for the incredibly long comment😂😂 but you said this particular piece of trash stuck out to you…and because of how it got me to react in a manner that’s just the complete polar opposite of my personality, it felt relevant. Again, idk that it’s him so much as it’s how I feel for the girl…but either way…this one really fd me up.

[@LoucheWoman]

I thought Simon had added dramatic music as they pulled up to his house, but then realised it was coming from my downstairs neighbor, a classical pianist with impeccable timing.

[@Thenarratorofsecrets]

that's fantastic

[@willowhofmann7409]

Get that man a contract or woman. Sorry

[@victoriaeads6126]

Fun fact: when I lived in St. Petersburg (Russia), I discovered that -20°C was about when your nose hairs freeze upon taking a breath outdoors. -10°C was when, if I had bathed right before leaving the apt, my eyebrows immediately froze. -40°C is essentially when even non-Siberian Russians simply stay home and drink. Siberian Russians are the types who would have easily survived "The Day After Tomorrow" или "Послезавтра" simply because Siberia is THAT intense.

[@manuelsoares9698]

I dated a girl from Novosibirsk and yes, this is true. She was a skinny, 5'2 girl but handled the cold better than people double her weight and wearing more clothes...

[@briannam3140]

-6 C is about when the air hurts to walk outside in the morning (to the car) on the way to school so i can’t even image -40 😵

[@dlilwon]

Damn! no wonder they wear summer clothes in British Winter 😅

[@instafruit5121]

Ah yes, I also lived there, was fun times walking to school, and trying to avoid patches of ice on the street😂

[@ShepherdsCreek]

I live in rural northern Canada lol we would be completely fine too

[@lj1184]

The Unabomber had a Ph.D in mathematics, and it's interesting and kind of funny to read papers that reference his mathematical work because they'll usually say something like "best known for other work"

[@SvenDzahov]

@@I.NCOGNIT.Oit’s actually the reverse. Most serial killers have an extremely low IQ, key word being most.

[@SvenDzahov]

@@I.NCOGNIT.Oell, looked it up, it’s not as low as I thought but still low. The average serial killer has an IQ of 94, which, is substantially lower than the average person. There are very few Kascynskis and a lot of Henry Lee Lucases who at the time were ruled “borderline retardation”

[@Anon_E_Muss]

😂

[@drswaqqinscheckingin7210]

@@SvenDzahov I wouldn't say that is SUBSTANTIALLY lower when 68% of the population only scores between 85-115. In fact I would say it's insubstantial being that it falls perfectly in between the average. ALSO you're talking about two different things. Not every psychopath is a serial killer and not every serial killer exhibits psychopathic tendencies.

[@SvenDzahov]

@@drswaqqinscheckingin7210 yes but even then, psychopaths scored on average a 91, even dumber than regular ol’ serial killers. They just simply aren’t that smart. Which makes sense given violent tendencies and violent personalities have slowly been getting phased out of human evolution for us to become more and more social animals. Ape males are almost 100% larger than females while human males are only 15% larger because after the advent of lethal projectiles any aggressive, dominant or violent males would simply be killed off to preserve stability in the tribe or clan. Empathy specifically is a great hallmark of complex thinking where violence is incredibly simplistic

[@badluck5647]

Simon's sweet stories of fatherhood makes it difficult to mentally prepare for this tale of brutality.

[@myssie-theanimedevourer5835]

😂 agreed

[@Mavisdundundunnnmanston]

Yeah. It reminds me of hearing about my nephews/ friendhews during these unexpected/ unprecedented/ unamusing times. Then wham... a hooked needle.

[@niemanickurwa]

It's interesting, I think Simon didn't come off well in this video.

[@TaeruAlethea]

It's like the breaths of fresh air between diving back into the sewage water looking for trash.

[@moimeself1088]

@@niemanickurwa really... why?

[@laemisavod1227]

As someone who has watched a lot of true crime, the mock up photo has been so widely spread without the context, it’s awful. I remember when I was first shown the image it was in a video where the idea of it being a dead body was only introduced AFTER it had been shown. The idea that I had just been staring at a dead body, without prior understanding or consent of that being what was about to happen really fucked me up. Always glad when people confirm it’s not the legitimate one, it gave me such instant relief when I first heard about that.

[@kathryncumberland]

I tell my kids to take their chance with whatever weapon the person has rather than letting them take you to a secondary location. The kidnapper is at their most vulnerable when they're initiating the abduction. If they get you on their turf, you're almost certain to die.

[@bayleighc.5843]

Good advice. As a small female I’m unlikely to win, but I’d rather die trying to fight than get taken somewhere else and most likely raped and murdered.

[@RHCole]

The struggle could also alert passersby, and at the very least they will be able to remember that struggle and tell the cops something.,

[@kathryncumberland]

@@bayleighc.5843 The hope is that there is someone around who will see/hear you and help you. Or that the kidnapper will be afraid of getting caught in the act and will stop messing with you and GTFO!

[@kathryncumberland]

@@RHCole Exactly :)

[@andiward7068]

@@bayleighc.5843 Wrap around their leg and sit on their foot while covering your head and screaming "fire!". (If possible, weapons, change things). Neither of you are going far until someone intervenes.

[@shibuyaneko5741]

i have met someone with antisocial personality disorder! he told me and we chatted about it. he described it as white noise where feelings would be. also said he wouldn't do crimes because he knows, intellectually, that that's wrong?? also, there would be consequences??? so yeah, it's totally possible to derive morals from logic.

[@bernienelson8926]

Yep, feeling that something is wrong is separate to knowing it's wrong. You don't need to feel some moral impetus to do or not do something, you can deduce what is right or wrong in the society you're in. If you go to someone else's house and everyone else takes off their shoes, you don't have to feel that wearing shoes in the house is wrong, but you can understand that in this context it would be inappropriate. Right and wrong is about more than just feelings.

[@naynayhooray]

I’ve dealt with quite a few ASPD people and absolutely 100% of them will do anything they think they will get away with and effortlessly lie about it. If the consequences will not inconvenience them too much, they will do it, regardless of whether they know it is wrong. That guy was spinning you a yarn.

[@gomahklawm4446]

@Renee....yeah...because everyone and every case is the same....SMH. Not every psychopath hurts people, many run businesses and hold public office. Thinking everyone/case is the same is EXACTLY how bad things happen. Many people see ONE person in their family with ASPD and think all others are the same. Very childish mindset. The world is full of shades of grey in every manner.

[@tonyhudson8235]

That's pretty normal for people with ASBD. The problems arise when you're faced with either something where the consequences are minimal or unlikely, or when an "evil" act for the greater good outweighs a "Good" act. For example, murdering a child is evil. So what of murdering baby Hitler?

[@MichaelMikeTheRussianBot]

@@gomahklawm4446 "many run businesses and hold public office" ...so hurt people on a larger scale , when it benefits them. ;)

[@ryanhesterman5040]

Simon read over “FBI snuff film analyst” and just carried on like that’s a normal job title. The world is nuts and it’s crazy that that is a person‘s job title because they need to analyze those films that often

[@TourettesMajestic]

Of all the jobs I don’t want, I don’t want that one the most

[@aislynn001]

Being annoyed with an animal and actually harming it are very different things. I know a psychopath in my family tree - he tried to poison my cousins and I when we were little, he tortured animals, and now he lives...in Alaska.

[@briannam3140]

“lives”? 😂 or “in alaska” 😂

[@Sterlingl3591]

Maybe he got eaten by a bear? They do eat people ass first.

[@meems4378]

Very good point. I couldn't even stomach the parts about the cat. Had to skip thru it. It was too much.

[@thelandlockedselkie]

100% ok with you sharing personal stories! It's a refreshing break from terrible people doing terrible things 🙂

[@jackalbright4599]

It wouldn’t be a “Fact Boy” video without a number of tangents, personal stories and viewpoints. It’s what gives his videos their particular “Je ne sais quoi”. 👍🏼

[@gamingphilosophy5066]

just imagine, "Fact Boy"'s daughter finding this video in say 13 years......Da why you tellin folks I shat the carpet?

[@Wi-Fi-El]

I agree. Simon is probably a super cool dad

[@Cman04092]

I agree, Simon's randoms tangents are a great part of his videos.

[@miketobias1821]

I agree with that. But, i get a bit frusterated when in the middle of his tangent he'll say "i dont know." Or "i cant remember." Over & over again.

[@Sauvium1]

In terms of “do you tell the police?” for a possible burgeoning psychopath. My uncle’s cat went missing and was later found tied to the train tracks, and we’ll just say the train had already gone by by the time it was found. My uncle went to police because animal abuse and torture. And they revealed that they had a good idea who had done it but couldn’t prove it. They also said that they were monitoring the said teen with the understanding that they could possibly be trouble later on. My uncle never let his pets out alone again.

[@ardenalexa94]

I understand. After all the true crime cases I’ve heard of, I don’t let my cats loose outside

[@Bonkpunktexe]

good, cats never belong outdoors, keep them indoors

[@ella17734]

I've been in a situation where I was stalked, held captive, assaulted and tried 3 or 4 separate times to get away before I was able to finally. He thought it was funny. It's just not always a clear thing what to do at the time. I found out later, while he was in prison for assaulting another woman a few days after me, that the man was wanted across the US for sexual assault and attempted homicides. I feel lucky to be alive, even though I personally didn't get any justice. Be careful out there everyone.

[@krazyformykaiserdog9978]

Glad you made it out alive and sincerely hope you have been able to find peace after a horrific experience.

[@Jusuff]

Holy shit, that's horrifying. It's great that you survived

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I don't know how you begin to recover from that. I'm so sorry this happened to you, but I'm so glad you made it out and that you're still with us.

[@lizc6393]

Goddamn, honey I'm so sorry that happened to you, I hope you're healing. I want to give you a hug 😔

[@terribongers2465]

Hugs to you. 🤗 You deserve them. I can’t imagine your distress. Always remember; none of it was your fault. Wishing all the best for you

[@floeckchen666]

I love how this show turns more and more into 'criminal blaze'

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

LOL! Yes 😆

[@stacyrussell460]

Yes!! Perfect name for possibly yet another Whistler channel.

[@Amlaeuxrai]

Crimiblaze, Bioblaze, Geoblaze, Warblaze, Decoding the Blaze, Megablaze, Sideblaze, Blaze History, Today I Blaze out, Into the Blaze, Blazexplrd (whatever hapened with that channel?), Top Blazes

[@stacyrussell460]

@@Amlaeuxrai good question. Guess XPLRD went the way of Visual Politik (yet another one of Whistler boys now defunct channels) or at least I think that's what it was called.

[@Amlaeuxrai]

@@stacyrussell460 VisualPolitik wasn't his channel but a tri-lingual collaboration of an originally spanish channel, and Simon was hired as the host for the english version. Idk why he cut ties with them, but I think they wanted to take the channel(s) into a different direction politically than he did on political opinions afaik. But that's just what I read, for a valid answer you'd have to ask Simon. They still make videos. On xlprd Simon just stopped uploading a few months ago.

[@donnamunday6749]

It was quite a jolt to hear Simon name someone I’ve actually personally known in a Casual Criminal episode! I used to work with Lauren Spierer’s father and I acutely remember when she went missing. I met Lauren a time or two when her Dad brought their whole family on work trips to unique destinations. She was a sweet, lovely young woman with so much promise for the future. Lauren remains missing to this day. Her family continues a relentless search for her via a private investigator as Bloomington police long ago moved their resources to other cases. I see occasional updates from Lauren’s mother on special dates like Lauren’s birthday and each year on the anniversary of the day she went missing. My heart hurts for her parents and sister. They have never had closure or gotten answers or been able to put Lauren’s remains to rest. It is every bit as painful as you might imagine it to be when your child/sister/niece/friend disappears without a trace. It’s hard to believe that can even happen to someone in a world with so many cameras. Man, this has brought back so many difficult memories 😢

[@amberkat8147]

He didn't kill a stranger or neighbor's cat- he killed his SISTER'S cat. A cat who thought of him as family and trusted him. And when he did this it probably caused his sister a great deal of emotional suffering.

[@thorazinedreams381]

The appearance of a cat in these episodes are a harbinger of doom atp.

[@nah-y4e]

It's just a cat

[@justacatwhocantype]

@@nah-y4e And you are just human. There's almost 9 billion of your kind, and the only thing about you that is worth anything is your ability to work and pay taxes. And even at that, there are several thousands of millions of people that could instantly replace you. What is your point?

[@nah-y4e]

@@justacatwhocantype what is your point? I agree with everything you just said. Humans are easily replaceable. I make sure everyone that works for me knows I have a big stack of applications.

[@justacatwhocantype]

@@nah-y4e All good, just making sure after your cat comment that noone here thinks that humans are somehow special.

[@kathryncumberland]

Simon, if you knew how women are most often treated when they report a rape, you'd understand why that woman didn't report it. I had a written confession (in a text message) from my rapist and the cops still didn't even bring him in for questioning. And that's mild compared to the ringer that many women are put through.

[@theConquerersMama]

I hate that for you. In my case, it was a group thing and the prosecutor wasn't going to charge only the two they caught unless it was the whole group. 🙄 Because the defense attorney knew this was how this prosecutor handled other cases, it wasn't in his rapist clients best interests to flip on the others. Domino effect, also wouldn't process the rape kit for DNA. Ugh. Our system!

[@kathryncumberland]

@@theConquerersMama I'm so sorry. Yeah, women are basically victimized three times - once by the rapist, once by the police, and once by the court system. It's awful.

[@EnyalienMini]

There are very good reasons most of us don't talk. Nothing like rehashing the trauma 27 times to various "investigators" while everything you say is questioned or challenged, and you're repeatedly asked what you did to bring it on. Even when you're 10.

[@adde9506]

I was told that because I was reporting a sex related assault and not a full-on rape that "we have better things to do, like figure out how to deal with prostitutes who say they've been raped because they didn't get paid." Prostitutes can definitely be raped, doing their job or not, but if the problem is that they didn't get paid, that's theft of services. And since the service was illegal to begin with, I'd say getting to walk away from reporting your own crime scott-free is a decent trade. And I sincerely doubt that a prostitute would be dumb enough to report to them anyway; I was new in town. At the very least they could have blown me off nicely. Holy hell.

[@Couldnteventhink]

Crap. I am so sorry. It's sadly standard operating procedure, and is sick, sick, sick.

[@rebeccap6878]

As a Texan, hearing Simon's Texas stereotypes brought me so much joy.

[@tomcruisesmiddlefronttooth9221]

Lmao same

[@TheUndeadShark]

YEEHAW PARDNER

[@KBXband]

Texas is the most American thing in... 'Murica!!!

[@traegoins6903]

Whats crazy is that the church of wells tried to recruit this guy. I helped a friend leave that cult and he told me that they had had israel keys over for dinner because his family was trying to recruit him.

[@steakdriven]

Never ever ever feel like you're being forced to say that you understand. You don't have to understand. People who torture cats don't deserve an ounce of understanding.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

Understanding=/=sympathy

[@steakdriven]

@@citizenvulpes4562 the hell it ain't

[@Fnelrbnef]

But you think you could reach them with empathy? Or care? Yelling at them certainly won't help.

[@TK2692]

@@citizenvulpes4562 Exactly. You can't find ways to treat someone's issues if you don't even bother to try to understand what motivates them act out in the first place.

[@nils4437]

@@TK2692 Both of the above points have credibillity, but theres also scientifical evidents that most people that are capabel of such acts are most of the time physicly not able to feel remorce or sympathy towards other living beings. Or to reflect on the harm and misory they create around themselfs. The focus in dealing with people that are a threat for them self or other peolpe should be to identify them as early as possible and give them the psychological care they need.

[@rudebega1494]

Simon: “This guy is terrible at planning crimes” Me, who knows about the buried murder kits: 😬😬😬😬

[@Jeremy_the_bot]

He was terrible once he made the decision to kidnap samantha. You can be good at something for a long time but then things change.

[@loonykitty]

"petrols not cheap, plus the miles on the car.... + THE SNACKS." Simon pulling up the real priorities there 😄

[@patriciatucker622]

When I was a teen, I was chatting online with a guy who said he was going to be DJing at the local high school. We were supposed to meet up but I didn't go. The next time I talked to him online he was unreasonably angry. The more he ranted the more I thought I had narrowly avoid getting raped or worse.

[@moimeself1088]

😳😳

[@GimmeJimmy23]

Thank you for sharing that scary experience, for the sake of others.

[@zawarudo310]

LOL...guy gets upset for getting flaked = he was going to brutally murder me! This is why I hate true crime podcast Karens. You are all evil people that spread distrust between the sexes and try to ruin random people's lives because they did something you did not like.

[@florencepierce1864]

Wow. Dodged a Bullet - at best! Lucky You. Or maybe you had Good Instincts that told you meeting up with this guy was NOT a Good Idea & your healthy survival instincts saved you. Either way, glad you didn't go!

[@MrMancreatedgod]

@@florencepierce1864 or maybe it was nothing.....

[@KaiyaCorrbin]

"So...Mormony." I felt this so hard living just a few hours from SLC, Simon. Thank you for that highly accurate description and laugh. xD

[@rich9684]

Although it is the least mormony place in Utah probably, but that is like comparing crimson to red. I do take exception with him saying it’s flat.

[@attorneycarissa]

I took a self defense class in college (in America). They said to NEVER let someone take you to a second location. If they try to take you to a separate location, you're better off fighting for your life. And even if you die, at least they'll find your body. If you let a gun scare you into going to a 2nd location, your likelihood of dying, and experiencing horrific suffering, is sooooo high, you'd wish you were just shot in the place where the abductor originally found/threatened you.

[@euroamerican92]

As a former child myself, I can attest that children are neither innocent nor sweet. Heck, toddlers are basically sociopaths incapable of empathy, because they don't yet have theory of mind. We are all just lucky that they lack the physical capabilities to kill us all, or the vocabulary to manipulate their parents into doing it for them. Why do you think you get such a dopamine rush when they do something docile and cute? Stockholm syndrome!

[@nqobilemsomi3656]

Hahaha I am screenshotting your comment and using it as an excuse when people ask me why I don't have kids. 😂

[@monroerobbins7551]

(I am presuming you’re joking, I’m just adding onto the conversation rather than saying you’re wrong) Eh, I’d argue that kids, at the least, are chaotic neutral. Balls of potential, if you will.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yeah, at such a young age the human mind just isn't able to compute the complex things. On the other hand, they also won't lie to be respectful. They'll tell you right to the face if the dress is ugly or the food tastes bad.

[@SilverAlaunt]

As a fellow former child I can attest that children are pure evil and cruel.

[@bethroesch2156]

This is so true 😳 and pretty hysterical 🤣🤣🤣 this is one of the best comments ever 👍🏻

[@Thejackofirishdiamon]

Simons rules of crime; If you're gonna do something morally wrong, you may as well do it right: 1.) Stay on task, what you're doing is important 2.) Don't commit smaller crimes while doing a big crime, you don't want to be noticeable 3.) Don't get drunk, stay sober because you need the focus 4.) Don't write down your crimes, this should be self-explanatory

[@Goober_gobbler]

This was the first case actually gave me nightmares years ago. Hearing simon say that he thinks shes going to survive is so heartbreaking

[@asabovesobelow4180]

Simon we love hearing about you and your life. We are partially here for the content, but we are mostly here for you.

[@moritzprivat7325]

True!!

[@margaretwhite961]

Simon: Slightly insulted by pronunciation guide for the name Dwayne. Also Simon: Spent five minutes debating how to pronounce the name Israel.

[@docdavidbaker]

My reason for providing a pronunciation guide for Duane was simple: Ute/Oot.

[@Textile_Courtesan]

@@docdavidbaker Great, if very dark and somber, script. Thanks for writing it.

[@docdavidbaker]

@@Textile_Courtesan alas, the dark aspect seems to come out naturally.

[@garymaidman625]

@@docdavidbaker could also be just taking the piss?

[@bellamaria6716]

I love Simon's natural commentary pointing out the weird stuff and making such a strange, murderous story, oddly funny. Worth the time for this content.

[@Bawlzmcgruff]

Love when you put your personal stories in these. Do not feel rushed to get back to the gore.

[@sashamercier3337]

That bit about the cat messed me up. I had to go and cuddle my own cat. Normally I can deal with details, but that one got to me. What a monster.

[@grilledleeks6514]

Yeah who cares about teenage girls being brutally raped and stangled to death, that cat was too far!

[@mcbarfmcspew5141]

Yooooo same made me so upset

[@florencepierce1864]

I know. I'm always more upset at a Human CHILD being attacked/sexually assaulted/murdered, although it's awful when it happens to ANYONE! I feel EVEN WORSE when it's done to an Animal & WORSE STILL when it's a Young or Baby Animal. Possibly the Parenting Instinct.

[@phillipalter6499]

I'm at this part now and it made me sick to my stomach. I have 3 cats, all of them are rescues or strays. I can't imagine. I fucking hate abusers.

[@titaniusanglesmith9690]

You dont actually like cats. Youre just infected by toxoplasmosis. The parasite wants you near your cats feces or traces of it in order to get more of the parasites buddies spread around.

[@GoWadka]

Criminal lays a fire to distract the police. Also Criminal: Is too distracted by the same fire to move on. Genius.

[@kathryncumberland]

I had my daughter at home with no midwife or anyone else - just the father and myself. It was very easy to get her birth certificate and SS card. The fact that it was so easy made me wonder how many babies are stolen and given new identities just by saying they were born at home. All I had to do was fill out some paperwork and have her examined by a doctor who signed off on the fact that she seemed to be the age that I claimed she was. I had pictures of myself pregnant as well as pictures of her birth, but no one asked for anything like that 🤷‍♀️

[@theConquerersMama]

😲

[@kreativuntermdach7351]

that might be one of the reasons why there is a black market for babies. People who desperately want some but are not allowed to adopt sometimes find these and buy babies. If it is "that" easy, other people will use it, too.

[@paultoomer2756]

30 minutes in and for me this is up there with the darkest/heartbreaking of all your brilliantly written episodes, that poor poor girl 😥

[@rationallyruby]

Yeah this is a pretty spectacular case. In the worst way possible of course. I’d recommend watching the full interrogation. It’s really fascinating. Once again, in the worst possible way but still interesting.

[@paultoomer2756]

@@rationallyruby thanks,I'll do that

[@lizc6393]

@@rationallyruby I don't usually enjoy watching interrogation footage, but you're 100% right, it's riveting, he was truly reptilian.

[@isabelsanmartin3060]

@@rationallyrubyalso the book “American Predator” which talks at length about Samantha, Keyes and his victims. Fascinating and yet very disturbing read.

[@UlyssesRyan-n1i]

Simon is a genuinely funny dude, very rare for a true crime podcast

[@NotMeButAnother]

Average American salary may be 56k, but median American salary is just 32k and that's much more meaningful.

[@TodayIFoundOut]

Fun fact, I grew up extremely close to Colville, around the time in question. :-) That church in that region isn't totally surprising... ;-) -Daven

[@imaginarylloyd8892]

You know when you were doing videos I kind of knew you were raised in a Mormon community. I just could tell. Sorry man I guess when your born and raised in Utah you can tell when another was. Its like a weird Mormon Radar :)

[@haleyguthrie3113]

​@@imaginarylloyd8892Colville is in Washington. 😂

[@vidareklofvonrosen2442]

@@haleyguthrie3113honestly with the amount of reused place names in the US I would not be surprised if there are multiple places with that name

[@melaniemanning2462]

Unfortunately, coming forward after a r*pe can be even worse than the event. It can range from not being believed, being demeaned, going through a medical exam with someone who is not trained to do a r*pe kit, reliving the trauma over and over, and testifying in front of your r*pist while their lawyer rips you apart.

[@Heligany]

Yeah I thought that when he was encouraging it. And given the stats on convictions its not ok for anyone to tell people they should come forward if they are raped.

[@ardenalexa94]

Unfortunately I understand not coming forward. I’ve met victims who it made me want to cry because they were told it was somehow their fault.

[@Steph-sk3xb]

It sucks but the alternative is the rapist goes free and can do it to someone else. At least if there’s a failed claim against him, if anymore victims come out, police will be forced to take it with a lot more than a punch of salt you can have in typical “he said/she said” cases. Chances are a rapist will not only offend once and it’s exceedingly rare that someone will have multiple false allegations thrown at them in their lives.

[@fancyultrafresh3264]

I have watched enough Casual Criminalist that I hear Simon's "whatareyou upto?" in my head when I do something stupid.

[@alexischilders7428]

I truly appreciate Simon’s comments. They really make listening to these awful crimes more bearable. I would also like to hear y’all cover the Atlanta Murders of 1979-1981

[@BlackHearthguard]

Simon, we're here for all your news about family and stories about when you were younger. With the content, it makes you seem more human, and softens some of the horrid details of some of these monsters. Though I will say, it's sometimes sad seeing how you go from your normal upbeat self to a quiet, depressed Simon after some of the darker episodes.

[@opalglass8101]

"6'2"? Is that intimidatingly tall?" it *is* when you're only 5'4".

[@emilyweimer2720]

As someone who lives in Anchorage it's super surreal to see an episode on your hometown on a true crime podcast. I was in college when Samantha was taken and it was pretty earth shattering for the community.

[@christopherpierce4344]

I was actually in Albany around the time one of his murders there occurred. Albany Im sure like Anchorage aint that big. Crazy stuff.

[@chrissyknowsitall5170]

I really hope all the victims are at peace. This monster was a total coward!! 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@_Kuma_]

I don’t live in Anchorage but was born there, so same here… It was a big thing. Fliers everywhere for a while.

[@zoehope1089]

Yeah, it is weird. Bailey Sarian did a post on Tracy Wiggington. She killed a guy in the park where I always held my birthdays and friends picnics, etc. It was spinney to hear her mention Orleigh Park, my comfy spot by the river.

[@Doc_Tar]

I've met more than a few mean, nasty and violent people in my life, but I can't seriously put the label of psychopathy on any of them. They never made attempts to conceal their nature or impress me as hiding their true motives. I'll be sure the doors are all locked this evening and future evenings.

[@dwarfbunni]

I'm in detox and having a horrible day so I put my headphones on and set my tablet to auto play your channel, I woke up two hours later and your soothing voice talking about murder and mysteries has made my day so much better, thank you simon

[@ballsack6547]

hope that you managed your detox

[@TheJoshestWhite]

Hope you're well

[@SEAZNDragon]

One thing I love about the out of order airing is when Simon goes on a tangent of an unaired episode it's like a preview

[@Angry_Red78]

The mark of a sociopath: Samantha's story didn't sound like it came from a psycho. That's why they're so scary.

[@theresegalenkatttant]

i actually really enjoy it when you share lighthearted stories from your life, it makes the subject you talk about a little less heavy

[@nataleed9015]

I absolutely love the combination of conversation and information it’s nice to be a bit more laid back even when the cases are a lot more difficult detail wise. :) Keep up the amazing work!

[@TBDS1990]

My father was a police officer in the 80's. He still has the police scanner he bought for my mother so she could listen and hear how his shift was going. From what my father has told me he can't tune in to many of the police frequencies he used to, and that now they use code words and phrases for much much more that he doesn't even understand a lot of it now.

[@nmxsanchez]

Just finished decoding the unknown and then this is uploaded. I love when things line up nicely like that. I even have some popcorn left.

[@pyingst]

A ‘Casual Criminalist’ released within an hour of a ‘Decoding the Unknown’. My cup runneth very much over

[@princesszer0]

I dont generally get queasy or anything, but when you went over what happened to the sister's cat, it was utterly sickening. As in, it made me legitimately sick to my stomach, and I started crying like a baby and had to stop the video until the next day. I spents hours just crying and holding my own cat, i could just not handle that.

[@ardenalexa94]

I ageee. I don’t get the people on here who are like “it’s just a cat.” And act like because they can’t do all the things us humans can that it somehow doesn’t mean that much If a cat is tortured and killed….

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Hearing that someone has the job title 'snuff film analyst' is the most horrifying part of this episode for me.

[@meld0507]

I was thinking the same thing. How did Simon just gloss over that?!

[@aurorawolfe6060]

yeah, agreed. i get that _someone_ needs to do that job, to identify victims and perpetrators etc... but i think i would gouge my eyes out if i had to watch even one snuff film.

[@VypreStrike]

Is that a blacklight retribution logo I see?

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

@@aurorawolfe6060 I just figured it was part of what cyber data analysts do, or that whatever case agent was on that case had to deal with it. The idea of someone whose 9-5 is scrubbing through snuff films to find specific details is mind numbing to me.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

@@VypreStrike yup. The greatest f2p shooter of all time is sadly no longer with us.

[@ginger_snapped_]

Really loving the juxtaposition of Simon's daughter wanting to shit on the floor and the story of this absolute monster of a killer

[@djharrod1764]

Fun fact, the reason most criminals run to Alaska isn’t the vast wilderness. The main reason criminals run to Alaska is due to extradition. States will extradite from across the United States, some only in state, and some from surrounding states. However, a state on the mainland will very rarely extradite from Alaska or Hawaii due to the cost transportation. It has owned its own dropdown option for warrants. “Nationwide extradition, excluding AK and HI.”

[@blakelopez6309]

That dude was really disturbing. The thing about him torturing and killing the cat was really horrifying to listen to. I know it's silly that I feel that so intensely but any innocent animal whether it's a human or other creatures being tortured makes me feel squeamish and sad. One thing that always terrified me of potential partners is if I end up meeting someone who will torture or abuse me and or my cat.

[@xenos_n.]

I don't trust anyone that doesn't like cats.

[@catman422]

I have four and would absolutely kill someone who hurt our babies.

[@gomahklawm4446]

@Xenos Indeed. It shows a hateful mind...one which could turn on you next.

[@hannahbeanies8855]

I had to skip that part. They cold way Simon referred to it really grossed me out though.

[@jhaustrick2535]

I don't trust anyone that my dogs and/or cats don't like. They aren't dumb animals.

[@pottsniffgrond8488]

Since when did The Casual Criminalist hit over ¼ of a million subs?! Well done Factboi! 👌. Shout out to the Focus owners 🤙

[@bitmen1296]

Simon: Wants criminals to be caught Also Simon: "My dude why aren't you being a better criminal?! Come on, don't be so stupid!" Love the show Simon, keep it up 👍

[@andrewwestfall65]

My uncle is a psychopath, got diagnosed when he went to jail for murder. Talking to him, he seems completely normal, you only would suspect something when things go south. Even then, he's just more self-centered and opportunistic than a normal person

[@angryotter9129]

My mom is also diagnosed with ASPD and the same. Pretty normal, just self-centered and sometimes cruel. She hasn’t committed a murder…I hope. Lots of nonviolent crimes and also a felon, though. I think women with ASPD are generally less violent?

[@andrewwestfall65]

@@angryotter9129 The murder was of my drunk and violent grandpa. I don't know much about what happened before that day, but it's definitely more understandable

[@alicesgonemental]

@@angryotter9129 I honestly believe that as someone with a Cluster-B personality disorder, not all ASPD people are capable of murder. I think that just because someone doesn't feel empathy, they may still have their own values & expectations of themselves - and if murder violates their own values they wouldn't act on it. Of course, this is just my opinion and I don't have a direct experience (that i know of) of someone with ASPD. I hope that your mom is doing better now and that you are also doing well!

[@astral_emmy]

⁠​⁠@@alicesgonementalI know I’m late to the convo… but I have a cluster B personality disorder, and I abide by a “moral code”. Avoiding snap judgments as much as possible, manipulation tactics…. Violence? Never…Not even in me honestly… some people have a predatory instinct, coupled with severe trauma. I think that often this is what causes the desire to hurt others.

[@greggschwabauer6241]

One of the most interesting books I’ve ever read is The Wisdom of Psychopaths by Kevin Dutton. In it the author states that Psychopathy isn’t a single switch, but a whole set of dials, and everyone of us would score somewhere on the scale.

[@erraticonteuse]

Most psychological disorders are like that. That's why when someone is explaining how they experience their disorder, or someone is talking about one they are sincerely concerned they might have, it is supremely unhelpful to dismiss it with "We all feel that way/do that sometimes." What makes them disorders is the frequency and the intensity of those feelings/behaviors (and the difficulty of controlling them).

[@towelie6850]

The diagnosis tool is created by Robert D. Hare and counts a maximum of 40 to reach. Actually there is a theory about underdeveloped connections within brain parts e.g. amygdala and cortex. Fascinating, but be aware of the undiagnosed psychopaths among us

[@shadowfox009x]

I found it very amusing that a researcher into psychopathy discovered that he was a psychopath himself. That was neuroscientist James Fallon. It's interesting to read how he handled that discovery and what he did with it as it changed his image of himself so profoundly.

[@gaylegoodman9097]

A survival expert I watched one time, stated NEVER get in the car, no matter what. The chances of being murdered are so great if you do that, you might as well fight,.if you’re going to be killed anyway, go down fighting. Don’t make it easy on them.

[@LIRB02]

Listened to this on Spotify, where it came out 10 days ago. Been waiting for it to be uploaded on KZbin so that I can say how awesome all of these are! I've already listened to the Monster of the Andes and the Hong Kong guy one too as they are just always such fascinating stories. As disturbing as the subject matter often is, I genuinely look forward to listening to the latest episode, so thank you team 🙌🏽

[@docdavidbaker]

Thanks!

[@QuantumBoogaloo]

I would like to say that kleptomania usually doesn’t mean that a person LIKES to steal, it’s more of an impulse to steal. I’ve known several kleptos, and they usually feel the need to take something in the moment. They will then return it to the person they took it from with a quick apology and explanation. That’s obviously not indicative of all kleptos, but that’s what most I’ve known have experienced. One of them compared it to Tourette’s or OCD: someone with Tourette’s doesn’t LIKE having tics, they just kinda do. People with OCD don’t LIKE needing to do the very specific things, they just do them. Similarly, kleptomaniacs don’t like stealing, but in the moment they feel the need to do so. (And sorry if I offend anyone I don’t have Tourette’s or kleptomania, just OCD. I’m not trying to say any of these are the same thing, just trying to draw a parallel)

[@theConquerersMama]

True. They also will take often insignificant or valueless things. Often knowing they will get caught or even in front of people. Like OCD it is a compulsive, coping mechanism. It differs from someone stealing for profit or to feed a habit or even just entitlement/jealousy. Although, those factors can stress a person into triggering the coping mechanism so the line can seem blurry. Also many kleptomaniacs do not choose to return and apologize ( many do). They find another way to get rid of the items like selling or giving them away. Again that can make the motivation seem blurry. Or they have a magpie like hoard.

[@theConquerersMama]

@@Rylinu I really feel for you. That is really difficult. Well done you for trying to find a way through and for your articulate insights. In my somewhat limited experience, people with compulsive behaviors can benefit from various therapies. Eds can also help. Often these things are not happening in a vacuum. There are other diagnosis as well. So helping those can reduce the stressors that trigger the compulsive coping mechanisms. To extend your blinking analogy. While blinking is of course both a voluntary and involuntary response. Meaning you can control it some but also your body will do it automatically. Now if you have something in your eye or allergies, obviously the idea of consciously not blinking is much more difficult if not painful. Might even cause you to act out in other ways if you are prevented from blinking. (Think a panic attack you are physically prevented from checking your locks multiple times because you are now on an airplane, for instance) so there can be short term helps for the thing in you eye - meds or therapeutic coping strategies. Or think of therapy like DBT and meds like taking antihistamines and doing what you can to reduce allergen exposure. I have anecdotally seen a connection in patients who have ADHD and TBI in lying. Not that they are really dishonest people. It's almost as if their process and stream of consciousness gets jumbled so they say things unfiltered - including fanciful ideas, situations they read about or saw in a movie as their own experience. Then there more present mind snaps back and feels painted into a cirne to. Sometimes they double down on the lie out of shame or embarrassment. Sometimes to people please. Sometimes because it's exhausting to not understand a compulsive behavior much less explain it Especially while in the middle of it. Often the lie or conflabulation is blurted out as an anxiety symptom. Interesting topic. I enjoy your thoughts on it. Not happy for how you came by your insights though. I was just try to add to what you said. Not correct it or dispute anything. I think people use terms for some things kind of interchangeably before they know more. I thought kleptomaniacs were anyone who stole for fun/thrills. I didn't know the psychological differences until later in my professional life delving deeper into anxiety issues.

[@theConquerersMama]

@@Rylinu also keep chasing that dopamine! Gaming does help.

[@howtogirl]

@@theConquerersMama that’s very interesting (Both of your insights were, so thank you very much for sharing, though I’m sorry you had to go through that with OCD Rylinu). I will say in response to the ADHD thing that in my line of work I work with many individuals with ADHD and the lying is rare. In saying that, I agree with you that when it does manifest it’s not a conscious decision to be dishonest and the urge to stick to it is indeed born from a need to “mask” their ADHD. However, of the many people I’ve worked with in that area, only a few have had those tendencies and it tends to be something that happens when they’re younger more so than in adulthood. It doesn’t usually stem from blurting out fantasies though - it has more to do with an impulsive desire to be accepted, as ADHD can cause social problems due to rejection sensitive dysphoria and a non-neurotypical way of relating to others (e.g. interrupting someone to share a story about their own life is often how someone might show that they relate to whatever is being said - but this is perceived as rude and not listening and centering themselves in the conversation for attention rather than “I am listening to you and have related your experience to my own and I now want to show you that I have understood and sympathised by sharing my own similar experience” as it is intended). This means that some, in an attempt to mask their ADHD and be accepted, will lie in hopes of gaining social “credit”. But it’s important to note this isn’t a calculated or considered decision. They’re likely not even aware themselves that this is why they’re doing it as the ADHD makes their brain go so quickly that they very likely haven’t stopped to consider their intentions, let alone plan the lie with clear intent. Especially if the person is undiagnosed, and thus doesn’t know why they feel different to their peers, it’s often an impulse from low self esteem. So the comparison to the blinking analogy is still spot on, just saying the reasoning has less to do with fanciful lines of thinking. Hope that makes sense! Don’t know how coherent I’m being at the moment haha

[@blitzofchaosgaming6737]

Simon's lack of understanding of mental diversity is staggering. His bigotry, and the disinformation he spreads against the mentally divergent is his most regular commentary tool.

[@CalumFoster-ed3su]

I grew up in Anchorage Alaska. I knew Samantha Koenig. This case still fucks with my head so badly. The streets of Anchorage are very dangerous. People don't realize how crazy people in Alaska are lol. We are all nuts.

[@Sinsaysgo]

Grew up in Fairbanks. Can confirm, crazy migrates north. Glad I left.

[@duncanwalter3613]

Straight from Decoding the Unknown to this. Perfection

[@nmxsanchez]

Same haha

[@binknbaby]

If you watch a lot of different true crime channels, there's a good chance you've heard this story before. But it's totally worth it to hear it again here just to hear Simon's commentary.

[@impromptu4348]

You rockkkk. Never stop. LOVE you and looking foreard to more videos. They are PERFECT. Keep up the great work!!!!!!!

[@impromptu4348]

Sorry FOR the prediction. Lookig forward. Typo.

[@keirangrant1607]

I have read, and noted from experience, that when you potty train 1 kid, the younger one tends to learn the potty a lot quicker....just because they want to be seen as a "big boy/girl" as well.....I have a few friends with multiple kids and they swear by this 1 anecdote, but good luck to you in your training

[@bernienelson8926]

Yes, my niece potty-trained fast because she wanted to keep up with her brother. It's like she decided one day that she didn't want nappies anymore, and it was pretty cruisy from there.

[@christinebenson518]

@@bernienelson8926 I apparently learned at daycare when I was 2. One day my mom came to pick me up and was told I don't need diapers. Still wore pull-ups at night though. I was an only child until 12 so the kids at daycare were my inspiration to get trained.

[@mlroeder]

That's what happened with my oldest. He was completely uninterested until his brother started learning.

[@heathergarnham9555]

The opposite happened with my nieces, the younger one potty trained first, the older one didn't want to be left behind. They're only 13ths apart in age.

[@christopherengel7436]

Oh boy, Israel Keyes. What a charming horrible person. Another short episode as well. Well when it comes to Simon, Jen, & whichever basement captive is writing (thanks David) this episode more is always better.

[@ncisfan1002]

An hour-35 ain't short lmao that's about as long as or longer than the average episode

[@AcornElectron]

So the first bit of the comment was about the vile wanker under discussion and the second bit is a troll? Hour and half? It’s longer than most movies these days.

[@docdavidbaker]

Thanks

[@natalina92]

@@waynejacksonofficial pretty sure he's on Brain Blaze these days?

[@ashleighmilosevich8566]

I wonder if Calum was able to escape the basement and that's the real reason we haven't heard from him. Danny hasn't given us updates on the basement in a while in BB

[@tianahorsey-daydreamer8962]

I swear I met someone once that I would not be surprised to see on the news next to a missing persons list. I was a server at a restaurant at the time. My coworker came in and told me, "the guy at your new table is ... *Aesthetically* pleasing." I asked why the emphasis, and she tells me that he is pretty to look at, but talking to him is creepy and there is something missing there. He came in semi regularly, never with the same woman, and always with women of color. So I went to the table, and sure enough. He was nice to look at, in a really generic way. I can still see his face in my head. But he looked like every other pretty white nerd. But something was definitely missing. He was very polite. He was very non threatening. But it was like talking to a computer almost. I can't even describe it. He also ran the entire date. He ordered everything. At one point he held her glass up to her face for her to drink while I was checking on them. That dinner haunts me. I often wonder if I was the last person to see her alive. There is absolutely 0 evidence. But I wouldn't want to be alone with that guy.

[@stephanieparker1250]

“I feel like if I got murdered, I’d be sad.” Yea, I get that, very true, Simon 👍

[@redstarwarrior85]

You talk about it being worse if it’s involving children, but the cat is what actually made me upset.

[@lesbianage9538]

I was listening to the cruise part and thought oh wow I remember my family taking a cruise at that time in 2012 and I looked and we were on the same ship as a murderer having our vacation ☠️

[@wirebug42]

"While committing a crime, dont commit smaller crimes" lmao. Thats like the Casual Criminalist version of grabbing a whole bunch of the small, random, crap items that line the small shelves along the checkout queue in a supermarket. Impulse Buys. "Oooh look, a camera! Now that I think about it, I could really use one of these! My luck day." ...Impulse Crimes! Lol, the lack of preparation of level of sheer stupidity that the criminals on this show reach manages to grow more and more impressive every episode. Gotta love it.

[@ricardosantee3511]

Simon, keep the side talk about your life. i like it and makes me feel more connected to the podcast. Some may not like it but then again, they can listen to another podcast. Again, Im a huge fan of your channels and please keep it up. I need these to chill and relax from my stressful life, Thank you Simon, you're awesome!!!

[@briannam3140]

Agreed! some other podcasts that go off topic annoy me so much but i love when simon does it his tangents are great and it’s so funny when he reprimands himself for doing it 😂

[@lesliesteele3926]

Love the personal updates, because they keep you human and from cracking under these stories. As for this story ... I live in Washington and remember when it happened. Horrible things were done to her.

[@inuchan74]

Ok I've watched everything I've come across on Keyes, and David has blown me away! I've never heard about poor Jimmy or the hair. And have always seen that photo referenced as being THE photo. I was like wait what and looked again... No duct tape on her mouth and the shirt and hair are completely different than the surveillance from the coffee shop. How did I never catch that?! That makes me feel a lot better for the family. I can't imagine how it would feel to have the whole world see my loved one like that.

[@florencepierce1864]

I am SOOOO GLAD the photo I saw wasn't of the real Samantha Koenig. Poor woman. Oddly, the Face/Hair/Makeup of the person they used in the "re-creation" looks more like the poor prostitute he also kidnapped/raped & murdered. All those poor men & women he destroyed - I HOPE there IS a HELL - Just for people like Israel Keyes. I feel so sorry too, for his GF & Daughter - Imagine finding OUT ALL THAT - & ITS YOUR OWN BF OR FATHER?!? How you'd ever get over that IDK! If it was ME, I'd NEVER want BIRTH CHILDREN OF MY OWN!!!

[@waynehoffman456]

I served 3 years in Iraq and a year in Afghanistan. Joking about how the whole thing was a joke… Not so funny. Politics aside, I lost friends there, I survived getting shot at and nearly blown up on almost a nightly basis. I saw things I’m not comfortable sharing. Lots of people have been affected by the wars after Sep 11. I don’t terribly mind your tangents. Please don’t make light of wars. Politics aside, soldiers don’t have a say in the matter.

[@ViviDimension]

I listen to these videos while walking to work in the mist and darkness, not sure why I don't wait until later sometimes. In any case, love the job everyone does on these, please keep it up :)

[@sallyh.6362]

I'm familiar with this story and was lightly traumatized by the image another channel included in their version without warning, (and thank you SO much for telling me it was fake. Trauma subsided) but I thought do I really want to hear this again, but then I would have missed literally laughing out loud at Simon saying "David, You have a professional criminalist colluege? That's the opposite of me! "

[@billyjean3118]

The cat murder story is the most disturbing thing I’ve heard, and I’ve watched all your videos.

[@Dracomillei]

I am once again hearing the story of potty training over Christmas. We love it Simon. Keep telling your stories

[@Cyber_Zombie]

Lol ahh a fellow blazer

[@c00lpi3]

O. G. B. B.

[@vilimivankovic6125]

When he said "for some reason Samantha lied and told her father..." I knew it was game over and she dies and it was heartbreaking to se Simon hope the entire time

[@jedirayden]

Simon, I'm an American born and raised in California... However, whenever there's a question of pronunciation, my lifelong tendency is to lean towards the British pronunciation. I should note that I've been fascinated by the UK most of my life, so there's that.

[@Monica-McAppl3t0sh]

Simon's opening remarks about potty training definitely hit home for me. Stay strong, my friend! Potty training my daughter has been one of the most trying experiences of my entire life 😅😬

[@cjmchugh6917]

Holy heck, I’d love to see an episode on the unabomber. I’ve heard bits and pieces about him being part of a psychological experiment that may have done some damage to him psychologically when he was still a minor, but I’ve never seen a deeper dive on that part of his life.

[@queefstroganoff2643]

what youre referring to is MK-Ultra.

[@Tsumami__]

Wait, Simon “kind of understands” why this psycho murdered a cat? And straight men wonder why we side eye all of them.

[@Dancingonthesun]

I knew one of those kind of people! I went to high school with Travis, who had eyes that looked through you, who walked in a straight line through a crowded hallway to show off how tough he was to his gf, who few people argued with because something about him just seemed.. off. In his early twenties he did time for animal cruelty, aggravated assault, break and enter, and finally he sits today awaiting trial for 2nd degree murder over an argument over drugs. Good riddance Travis! The world is better off without you walking around in it.

[@Lizzie-Bee]

I also know of a psychopath Travis! Dunno what happened to him after high school tho

[@jrmckim]

My ex husband was in lufkin when he was stopped by police. They had all traffic stopped for a long time. This guy was a true sicko. Luckily he was caught before he killed again.

[@michaelalcaniz7878]

Holy crap good old Lufkin! I'm a nach rat myself lol

[@heathercopeland21]

My cousins grew up in Lufkin. I spent my summers there in the 80s

[@jrmckim]

@Michael Alcaniz oh wow I was in Nacogdoches last week. How you liking the cold weather these days? Nice to know someone close also enjoys cas-crim. I'm from Greenwood ✨️

[@jrmckim]

@@michaelalcaniz7878 💕💕