World Building In Daggerheart! Should Players Create Your Campaign?

[@TheCharacterSheet]

Are you a fan of Daggerheart's way of including Characters in World Building...and is this something you'd consider when making a D&D or Pathfinder campaign? Let us know!

[@charless2450]

Yes, I do like it. With D&D or Pathfinder it would depend on if I was using an established setting/campaign or homebrewing my own. In the later case I would absolutely let the players have a say like Daggerheart does or like you outlined in your homebrewed campaign you detailed in the video. If I'm using a premade campaign though, I tend to just stick with the default setting to minimize confusion.

[@violet5980]

Hey, you guys should talk about the video XP to level 3 just made for a fallout RPG. It looks super fun!

[@jardockjarvannia7954]

I do! Cuz they cone up with cool ideas I hadnt thought of that i can expand on or be inspired by for future stuff!

[@FranklinLongallnitelong22]

World building to me was fun as a storyteller. That is why I admire Matt Mercer...he had the whole world fleshed out and seeing it grow a marvel. These tools in this system are well thought out. Whether it's collaborative or from one mind the tools can make it better.

[@PlasmaticPi]

I love the sound of the kind of back and forth nature to world building. Being able to start off with some vague world concepts, then going to players to add some ideas, before kind of ironing them out and then going back to them for even more details and repeating that over and over as time goes on just sounds amazing when it comes to getting players invested in the world, creating unique worlds/stories, and making sure everyone has a say in the direction of the campaign. Definitely want to look into this more now.

[@Teschmacher]

Collaborations are only as strong as the group. Sounds like you lucked out with some great world-builders among your players!

[@houndgirl7365]

In my finances campaign (last time we were using dnd) our 2 year ran game was in a way formed by everyone! I love narration driven things because it just flows organically! We are going to do a test run of daggerheart here soon with a new table! Im stoked and already know what I want to do sort of~ my fiance is also a home brewer, sooo that can further open possibilities! Over all im stolked! Its true there is never just 1 person forming a story its everyone doing the telling through their character and actions when one truly thinks about it.

[@Lifeinc]

I had a DM run a game of The Quiet Year as a fun map building process to create areas of the world we would be playing in.

[@AznHeat1187]

As with any game you can create your own world rather than having a setting given to you but its up to the group on whats ok and whats not especially in set worlds if players have different views of established lands. TLDR its a group choice in any game to create and while it could be daunting it can be amazing

[@adamessex7743]

Legit, I want to know more about your world. It sounds awesome!

[@JKevinCarrier]

If I tried to get my players to name kingdoms, I'd end up with places called "Fartsville" and "Yo Mama"...

[@nojusticenetwork9309]

Sooo...got a link for this random map generator? I really need something that helps me be lazy with DM prep.

[@Schnedar]

I'm starting a campaign next week. Would you share your random world creator and questions you asked your group?

[@TheCharacterSheet]

I'll bug Christian and see if he will share em!

[@TheCharacterSheet]

The Map Generator can be found here: azgaar.github.io/Fantasy-Map-Generator/

[@crystallxix1493]

@@TheCharacterSheetOhhh using Azgaar as a baseline is super smart!

[@captaintalon4485]

Still hoping we get some sourcebooks to go with Daggerheart. A TTRPG lives and dies by sourcebooks

[@scottswgoh6637]

books will come. it is still a beta so figuring out what works and what doesnt before they publish the books only to have them outdated before they leave the publishers warehouse.

[@TheCharacterSheet]

Very true, and we suspect you will get your wish!

[@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982]

Don't think there will be. It's one and done.

[@crystallxix1493]

@@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982Lmao why would it be? Unless it’s wildly unsuccessful it would be extremely idiotic to release a whole new TTRPG without also adding its own sourcebooks later on. They’re cheaper to make, it is pure profit

[@DrakeTamer]

Could i get a pdf of the questions you used for world building? It sounds like an amazing process my group would love.

[@Skimmer951]

As someone used to more collarboative narrative games that has it built in to dicuss and for players ot offer consequences or sit and worldbuild caked into the mechanics this is not a big deal at all. 5e players scream foul whenever there is something outside of their status quo.

[@TheCharacterSheet]

We found it really didn't slow things down much at all, and it got the players invested very, very fast

[@Idontgiveaduck]

It was a nightmare to run for a bunch of anxious ND players ngl. We needed more structure. So when i did run Daggerheart i actually used Thedas (from Dragon Age) so my friends had some idea of the world to go off. We are continuing the campaign with 5e cuz honestly while we all want to play in a Daggerheart game -none of us wanted to actually run a long term campaign with the beta rule set.

[@GamerKatz_1971]

It's great in theory, but here is the problem. The vast majority of gaming groups will use this to give their characters unholy amounts of power, loot, etc. And for groups where one person is only into hack and slash, one person is only into writing the most elaborate character background they can, one person only wants to play on their phone and tell college-level jokes, and another person just wants to talk about their new magic card, 'Collaborative' is a word that is not going to poke up too often. Yes this system is great for groups like Critical Role, but honestly how many of those groups actually exist in the gaming community? Honestly?

[@spectrumunit]

Have a look at the „Same Page Tool“ for RPGs and go over the questions asked there beforehand with your group. Helps tremendous amounts to make sure, you are all… well… on the same page, really.

[@huntertuggle2667]

I do believe that storytelling suffers when there are too many cooks in the kitchen.

[@TheCharacterSheet]

It can, but when you focus the scope of it while the GM holds the reigns of the narrative and plot points, it worked out really well

[@spectrumunit]

I disagree - nobody came over to listen to YOUR story, bro. They came over to have a fun and entertaining time together. With you. Together.

[@huntertuggle2667]

@@spectrumunit Okay, this is a very weird reply. At me. Reply.

[@scottswgoh6637]

@@spectrumunit have to say that I have to agree with Hunter. Let the DM design the world. Part of the issue is to many people dont actually have a world. they have a few cliff notes and if that is how the game is running the world then sure have everyone chip in. But if the DM has developed a living world there should be reasons for why things are where they are. A player says I want a town here and its full of XYZ when in the dms world they are extinct or far west of there could cause them a lot of issues. If the players want to say I would love a world where we did this or focused on that etc in a broad terms before the game starts the dm has the option of putting you into a place in their world where those opportunities might make sense.

[@spectrumunit]

@@huntertuggle2667 😂 I am the master of weird replies. Read and learn.

[@mjphyil]

Collaborative world building will only work within groups that know each other well and there's a good deal of trust that everyone is working together. For many of my groups over the years, most of them, this would absolutely be a disaster. Of the three groups I'm part of now, only one would I even suggest this. I can see this going really well or being a total clusterf**k.

[@TheCharacterSheet]

True, this is definitely a litmus test, but to be fair, do you really wanna play with a group that fails that test?

[@mjphyil]

@@TheCharacterSheet Yes, yes I do, and I am doing that now, every group is different. Just because a player doesn't want to world build, or their idea is way off what the rest of the table wants, doesn't mean I don't want to play with them. It does mean the game is going to be different - less or no collaboration. I think it's plain stupid to say no, everyone should be collaborating. I've been gaming for 40 years with 100's of people and can honestly say the best campaigns I've been a part of there was no collaborative world building.

[@nope7832]

hey character sheet, we like you. But please, no AI.

[@TheCharacterSheet]

We have our Adobe Stock set to no AI, but apparently creative cloud just updated and it lost our defaults, but thank you for reminding me I need to reset it again.

[@eoris12]

What's the issue here? They are not claiming to be artists and it's good to have images illuatrate the videos point.

[@nope7832]

@@eoris12 also using those platforms is pretty much saying you agree with them. If you do, those artists that the character sheet so often talk about (let's not forget they also cover wotc using ai) are that much closer to being jobless. Incremental loss of respect for shitty images?

[@crepusculum7472]

Systemic Metagaming

[@evetobe]

AI art? Ew