A Difference between Chess.com and lichess 😳

[@zaimnaqvi8893]

Lichess logic makes more sense to me ngl

[@thechessnerd]

I agree, I once had one of these albeit more frustrating myself (knight vs rook pawn where I have the knight but still possibly winning) and my opponent flagged to a draw on chess.com.

[@folming]

It doesn't. Black would have drawn if they gave their rook away - this is just stupid imo

[@volodyadykun6490]

The mate requires active collaboration from black, so idk

[@TemphinFD]

@@volodyadykun6490 no. Not always. Tactics could have a sacrifice to mate, but your opponent flags seeing M1 instead.

[@lorcster6694]

@@TemphinFD what?

[@LousiestPlayerEver]

BTW, Lichess is not a company but a non-profit organisation.

[@thechessnerd]

The umbrella term company means that it has a separate legal entity from its owners. Therefore a non-profit organization is a type of company. (How I learned it anyway).

[@m0taro365]

A non profit organization is also a company

[@fuydestroyer1942]

@@thechessnerd isn't a company a commercial business though

[@yai4486]

Non profit is not an entity type, it’s a tax designation. Non profit organizations are still set up as corporations or llc, sometimes partnerships

[@thechessnerd]

@@fuydestroyer1942 not necessarily (this is how I learned it so double check me with Google) A company is just the separation from the name of it’s owners. Meaning it doesn’t matter what the owners do with the money (i.e. for profit or give to charity or give back to its customers or refuses all revenue)

[@DespotismBloxFruits]

Wow, they actually explains it thank you.

[@thechessnerd]

Glad!!

[@mihailmilev9909]

Indeed

[@mihailmilev9909]

​@@thechessnerd25th like..... (I keep getting the nice round numbers lol)

[@mihailmilev9909]

1.1k 25

[@scottwarren4998]

The point is they don't wanna waste time, so that's why they see a "give up" as a win. But they should change the rule to that you lose, because you have yourself to blame for giving up.

[@GuillaumeT96]

I'm French, I play chess, and I knew nothing about lichess being from France 😅

[@holomurphy22]

Pareil

[@AJ-vr9hf]

@@flyboy746 where the hell did that come from

[@aymericd.6126]

Lichess = "libre" chess

[@eminkilicaslan8945]

Question: Is it true that chess sets manufactured in France come with queens and kings missing the top?

[@GuillaumeT96]

@@eminkilicaslan8945 Yes, and the pawns riot all the time

[@frafstet3835]

A new example of the Us not following what everybody does just because.

[@thechessnerd]

just like weights and temperatures LOL

[@AJ-vr9hf]

This time I think America actually did it right though. It wouldn’t make sense for the game to carry on if you had to get in one very specific place JUST to stalemate anyways. This isn’t really just because, it actually makes more sense.

[@victorkao1472]

Also height and volumes. What are feet and inches bs? What is a mile? What are ounces bruh? Stupid measurements

[@newplayer1313]

@@AJ-vr9hf it just goes on for 50 moves max, and you can't flag in lichess if you premove everything. You still have a chance to force draw(really small in some cases)

[@AJ-vr9hf]

@@newplayer1313 That just seems stupid to me tho. There’s so many moves you can make with 2 pieces, it seems impossible to me that you could manage to make the SINGULAR move to draw the game.

[@BWeManX]

So basically if you sac the rook you get a draw, but if you get flagged with the rook still alive then you lose 🤔🤔

[@thechessnerd]

That is exactly correct

[@notabene9630]

FIDE : if there is a possible mate = no automatic draw US : arbitrary rule that decides when a player is unlikely enough to make blunders it should be a draw. US as usual inventing stupid arbitrary rules for the sake of being different

[@abcdef8915]

@@notabene9630 US rule makes more sense. I'm not American btw

[@Xavier_Dimoff]

@@notabene9630, FIDE: Arbitrary rule that decides if there is a possible mate, but only if played incorrectly = you lose.

[@mo1ya938]

@@Xavier_Dimoff How is it arbitrary though? It comes directly from the 50 move rule. The side with the rook has a suicidal rook and shouldn't really be flagging anyway. If they did they just made a blunder and lost the win just like how patzers stalemate K+Q vs K. The rules shouldn't arbitrarily come in and protect you from one edge case (K+R vs K+N) versus another edge case (K+Q vs K).

[@BlitzWizard94]

this rule feels so badass and cool in lichess time scrambles

[@cyrilgeorge3201]

What is the rule couldn't understand

[@BlitzWizard94]

@@cyrilgeorge3201 when theres no material left to give a checkmate it is a draw but on lichess if you have a knight left or something which allows it to be theoretically possible to mate, it is declared a win

[@draganandrei5356]

@@BlitzWizard94 is there a table that indicate checkmating material? Because I don't think a knight and king can win against a queen and king (queen can always sacrifice itself to prevent a checkmate)

[@BlitzWizard94]

@@draganandrei5356 king and knight can win in a very rare situation well not rlly but again its FIDE rules

[@onniruusunen9444]

@@BlitzWizard94 not against queen I think

[@tomandjerry7524]

Thank you friend❣️

[@thechessnerd]

My pleasure Satyam!

[@UrnestHemingouey]

Also lichess has the same functions, but for free

[@scottwarren4998]

The point is they don't wanna waste time, so that's why they see a "give up" as a win. But they should change the rule to that you lose, because you have yourself to blame for giving up.

[@mowem7558]

i remember it happened to magnus and alireza otb.. alireza raged and complained to the arbiter i believe..

[@thememaster7]

That wasn't about the rule per se, it was over a stipulation that says if a player can't get checkmate, but can if the other player helps him, for example, deliberately moves his king to the corner of the board, it is still considered a potential checkmate, so it is a loss not a draw.

[@etaoimusic6595]

That's the rule though?

[@elyas4637]

Alireza complained about Magnus speaking Norwegian, not about the rules.

[@Baxitron]

@@thememaster7 that is literally the rule lmao

[@thememaster7]

@@Baxitron The rule is that if they can't checkmate you, it's a draw. The stipulation is that if they can't checkmate you but could if you deliberately helped them (help mate), then it's a loss.

[@PorkerChop]

Imagine rook vs knight and the person with rook has 3 seconds and sacrifices the rook as much as they can but the person with the knight doesn’t take the rook and flags them 😂

[@IndiaOnlineTournaments]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@theophilussogoromo3000]

For this reason, the US Chess Federation rule is better.

[@jacobg2394]

What is flagging even

[@denizkenger52]

Fair game. Should’ve played faster.

[@mudababy7896]

wow and I was so confused about that rule but in the end the reason is that I play on both sites

[@progmetalkd]

I think this happened to Alireza in a over the board game, a rapid tournament a few years ago. he wanted to claim a draw after his clock run out, but the fide police gave his opponent a win because checkmate was posible by his opponent only if Alireza helped him puting his king at the corner, which he said he will never do because he is so smart

[@MasterShark19]

his "opponent" was magnus xD

[@ajaysabarish9645]

I think lichess follows FIDE, but not becuz its founder is french but FIDE is the international chess organization

[@OasiSValo]

This is why I have both apps/websites on my favorites, because I like to switch between them

[@DellConagher1]

You like to switch between them for just this?

[@itayisme1]

If you got flagged you should be be considered in the worst possible position so lichens rules are better

[@uchihaminato3866]

Never seen someone flagged up 15 points of material? So it doesn't matter

[@randomname9291]

According to fide in this type of position if you’re worried about losing on time you could call an arbiter and they’d claim it as a draw though.

[@randomname9291]

@Ruhan not if the other player doesn’t let you.

[@Andiwillalways]

Wow! Very insightful! I was entertained the whole time ngl

[@SuliXbr]

It makes so much more sense to follow fide rules.

[@astronimite]

Very informative! I play on both and noticed this difference. Thanks for explaining it! Could you do a video comparing the two websites in more ways, please?

[@thechessnerd]

Oooooooh interesting, what difference would you like me to expose 👀

[@astronimite]

@@thechessnerd Maybe comparing their ELO system, the benefis/downsides of both, and their playerbase? (As in average amount of users at a given time) Thanks for the response!

[@Mikhail-tal-the-GOAT]

@@astronimite yep even I want to know that Nice point tho

[@Cowtymsmiesznego]

@@thechessnerd Maybe the number of ads, paywalls, and invasive popups trying to get you to subscribe/donate?

[@calvingakunju7580]

magnus v firouzja in that one blitz match

[@IceBrys]

Your videos singlehandedly keeping me interested in chess when my motivation lacking at times

[@subishamoodadi4275]

yeah i'm gonna change to lichess

[@Potato-su8us]

I LOVE THIS PRELUDE it was one of my first Chopin pieces

[@omsiravvel7805]

Nice Chopin in background good choice 🎶🎶🇮🇹🇮🇹🎉

[@albanpohle3143]

Bro that's the flag of Italy and Chopin is actually polish (half French) 😛

[@omsiravvel7805]

@@albanpohle3143 i mean I was from italy

[@omsiravvel7805]

@@albanpohle3143 the flag means that i am from italy

[@omsiravvel7805]

I am a former piano player

[@jeremy0158]

Bro you’re completely lost

[@JosephGab]

Oh that's make sense i flagged my oppent with Knight and Bishop endagame and im so confused that i win

[@thechessnerd]

Also a great example!

[@iamgroot3615]

Knight and Bishop is a win by checkmate . Unless you mean knight vs Bishop

[@thechessnerd]

@@iamgroot3615 I understood it like knight vs bishop yeah

[@canna-b8718]

What does flagged mean??? I play chess but have no clue about this word

[@thethug89]

@@canna-b8718 it means your opponent ran out of time

[@golden_smaug]

What does it mean to flag an opponent?

[@vivaangupta1864]

It's when the opponent is winning but instead of resigning you keep playing and end up winning on time.

[@golden_smaug]

thanks

[@rokvrban8395]

Alireza, is that you? 😂

[@shreyasherale]

Magnus vs Alireza controversy was based on the same thing.

[@jasmint6703]

Fascinating... Thanks!

[@ragnorak56]

I actually knew this one before you gave the answer. USCF and FIDE have some very small but quirky differences.

[@karimamr5608]

Can u reply pls I love your vids

[@troylanjohncalvario7195]

Lichess flexing they're one with the creator

[@user-kh6xl4yg1j]

Interesting. Thxs for tip as to this difference in rules.

[@somerandomdude4588]

Lichess is usually pretty goofy ahh, but not in this case, “win by timeout if checkmate is possible” seems fair enough

[@dogabutila]

Yea but it doesn't make sense when checkmate is only possible if the opponent helps you do it.

[@ItsAsparageese]

@@dogabutila Opponents can theoretically always make any mistake. I'd argue that, if we stipulate that chess played perfectly leads to a draw, ANY checkmate innately requires your opponent "helping"/letting you do in some sense or another

[@theaccordian9377]

@@dogabutila Going by your logic, all games should be declared draws right when the game starts, since you can't checkmate without the opponent making a mistake and "helping you win."

[@dogabutila]

There's a difference between making an inaccuracy that can be exploited and purposefully moving your pieces so the opponent can checkmate you. If you can't understand the difference you should refrain from commenting.

[@ItsAsparageese]

@@dogabutila Wow, what a dickish & useless comment, & ironic since your standards for your own contributions are apparently so low. Your "counterpoint" (calling it that is generous) boils down to an insufferably sophomoric "NUH-UH" 😂 Please, if you're so brilliant, enlighten us all by actually explaining this difference (remember, has to be a meaningful difference _in application,_ not "the difference is intention" which is definitionally obvious & doesn't affect the point the other replied & I are making). Y'know -- like mature decent human beings do, by being able to handle conversations when they enter a forum for having conversations. If this isn't just you having a cranky night (I think we've all been there), & you actually feel the need to be a douchey control freak when someone raises a point/idea that's different from yours, then you have some serious issues you need to go work on.

[@ShriRamJi-bhakt]

Great explanation broski

[@frododododo]

This camera angle and stare is scary

[@VVUC_]

Good that you were smiling so much, made video much better

[@NavoTheTrueGod]

yo bro looking kinda cute tho

[@thechessnerd]

love you dawg

[@austinbones]

pause

[@abruhm]

resume

[@selu7644]

power button

[@Hopoy1]

power button on

[@Cobrachesspromax]

Very Smart Keep Going

[@lifter1000]

Thanks 🙏 I prefer lichess because it's easier to sign up and user friendly 🙂

[@surreal.1]

and it doesn't ask for money to analyze your games and solve puzzles

[@tourkofoniaspk]

Lichess is not a company. It is an organization.

[@princedarji]

Zach you look good

[@BoyWithLongBlackHair]

This is why I have been getting draws like nobody’s business haha. That and I need to work on my chess skills

[@santiagofoxh]

You are on your way to the top Zach I can see it. Congratulations.

[@goat2king]

Crazy I found u first on twitch and u popped up on my shorts ! Good stuff man, and congrats to Juve haha 😂

[@abhijeetgore310]

Informative😀

[@aaryanagarwal3709]

Thanks alireza

[@paulrhyne4]

That's pretty interesting!

[@pokkogamer]

Wow i play chess for 6 years and i didnt know this 😄

[@thechessnerd]

I learned only a few months ago when it happened to me (chesscom it not being a win for me) after 10 years!!

[@jossamaepaz3787]

Even these differences, I still prefer using them because both of their performance are great.

[@Doesitmatter00710]

Nice to know

[@beawaregames1618]

Am i the only one I've been recommended this vide like 15 times even though i have watched it 7 or 8 times 🤯

[@joyhopescott8939]

If Alireza Firoujza and Alejandro Ramirez had a baby...

[@royalredbird9717]

US is like "I'm not like other girls. " of all the countries.

[@Lankeu]

😂

[@Naji_1]

Intresting

[@Chesshercules]

Lichess is good, they are using FIDE so the real rules

[@tr4nnel752]

I feel like a draw is fair in this position. But technically you could still mate.

[@joeloliver5084]

helpful video 👏

[@danielclv97]

I was also confused when I lost a game similar to this due to time. I think I had a pawn and the opponent a knight. My logic was that, if the king can't make any moves, then he can be killed by the other piece regardless (imagine white king and rook doesn't move at all and black have infinite moves, he can of course kill the king with the knight). Guess I was wrong.

[@vipuljindal4584]

woah didnt expect i would learn any new difference.. but this is actually a great observation. btw, as lichess follows FIDE, it is a win for white if it's is played OTB? as in a fide or other tournament?

[@thechessnerd]

In a FIDE tournament this would be a win for white, yes. in USCF tournament that is rated FIDE you would have to check with the organizer before the blitz/classical tournament.

[@emphyriohazzl1510]

It s funnier with king bishop vs king bishop of opposite colors :)

[@bynd481]

Now i know thank you!!

[@peacefullness-8823]

I wondered this. I thought it was a glitch now I get it thx.

[@thechesswiki5480]

Same happened at Magnus vs Alireza

[@domingo7122]

There is also one more diffrence you can do any numbers of puzzles without even joining any membership and for that you will have to pay but in lichess you can do countless of puzzles for free

[@ilsagita5257]

Alirezah is so hardworking Plays tournaments , fashion designer and makes youtube shorts explaining stuff

[@user-he5yf7ln7p]

It is a win because it is still can be checkmate , position example : black king on a1 and black rook on b1 and white king on a3 and night on c2 it is a checkmate

[@AlexAnanderChess]

I think the uscf rule is better for the fast time controles.

[@amarishikaanbalagan226]

Lichess changed now because I remember it happened to me once in lichess. My opponent was winning with an extra rook against me ( I only had a king) and their time ran out. But it was still a draw.

[@finnfinity9711]

That's different, you can't checkmate with only a king

[@Eight69]

Your situation is completely different from the one in the video.

[@amarishikaanbalagan226]

@@finnfinity9711 I get it now

[@amarishikaanbalagan226]

@@Eight69 I know now :)

[@mschmidtz3099]

Lichess Ruleee

[@Matt-vt7fb]

very rare position probably but still cool

[@12jswilson]

I play a lot of bullet and it's not very rare for me. A bishop or a knight is all I need to win

[@onionman8160]

@@12jswilson You must play some weak opponents

[@electroAM]

Maybe there should be an elo cap for the FIDE rules because most players wouldn’t intentionally block their king to get mated, but if it’s under 1000 elo than anything goes really.

[@itsarafbg8905]

Truly a chess nerd

[@alexanderlord1512]

احلى فياض 😂

[@jeetu13]

Hello, my American friend you were supposed to say 'established.'

[@devilbob]

As a bullet enjoer it is really frustrating for me, when I don't get a win on Chess com, with a single knight/bishop. So much halfpoints were missed...

[@AnwarAliyambath]

Interesting

[@trevoreagar4092]

Sorry what does it mean to have a piece flagged?

[@wicked5999]

Players flag, aka run out of time

[@imnotfound]

Today it just happens to me "I ran out of time but I have a room and a pawn against my opponent with just a king"

[@ihexrt]

that would be a draw either way, since they can’t possibly checkmate with just a king

[@the-lenny-dood7502]

i follow the fide of rules... yez... 🗿

[@Bradley_UA]

Fide good, uscf bad

[@thechessnerd]

low key agree

[@davidcasalean]

I wonder who was the cameraman.. (bro the whole video: 😊😄😃😀😁😆😄😃😉☺😁😊)

[@suryanshdwivedi4401]

Lichess makes more sense. If it's possible then it can never be a draw.

[@tyronegoen6944]

You don't just get to automatically win there is still a stalemate to consider. You have to win in the allotted time not just get close.

[@alcxile3723]

Hi sir what is the name of your board? It so cool i like greeny thing

[@friendgray1]

Thank god you clarified which country Paris was in

[@user-hu6lo2ej7c]

If rook steel on the board there's one way to checkmate

[@Braiining]

As an American I agree with the lichess logic.

[@hueycotton]

what does flag your opponent mean?

[@thechessnerd]

losing on time / because of time :)

[@hueycotton]

@@thechessnerd thanks, I actually heard it in another video after commenting this and figured it out from context clues lol Appreciate the response though

[@iradiakalenz4225]

I still don't get it, what does "flagged their opponent's pieces" mean?

[@wicked5999]

By "the black pieces" he's talking about the opponent

[@bumba5897]

I've flagged a lot of ppl from Knight Vs bishop endings

[@Hanensens]

Lichess is not a company, its a NPO.

[@botaccount3449]

Thx

[@tourkofoniaspk]

Guys lichess is non profit.I am surprised that it still survives because if you have seen lichess spends 40k euros per month for the servers.I hope it lasts forever

[@the.chess.fighter]

I remember watching a video of Hikaru mating his opponent with nothing but a king and knight because his opponent was pushing his h pawn with his king in front.

[@j-ghull]

Yeah have you not seen the legendary tantrum lol

[@Broskifan8000]

I got this draw before, i had a knight and bro had a queen rook and pawn. He rage quitted after that draw 😂😂😂

[@carlcox7976]

So lichess is better. Tnx

[@professorbitch5032]

He is handsome.