Should Gareth Southgate LEAVE England?

[@shvelgud]

4:55 saying de la Fuente isn’t a tactician bc he has less experience is a bad take. Tactically speaking this tournament Spain have been excellent. They don’t just have the talent in the right areas, but they’ve been able to make the most of those strong players and outplay other strong teams when it’s been necessary. You don’t win national tournaments without tactics.

[@SinaShakiba]

That was abnormally poor from Nieve. She's normally so on point.

[@Michealxlr]

Like even the the last two world cups and the last Euros were won on/by tactics being good rather than just vibes. These lot sure know how to waffle.

[@tommypicklesyenoda]

She's been brought down to these dimwits level.

[@tspcontent4630]

Agreed. How can you watch the way Spain played (with less individual talent than England) against France, Italy, Germany, England & Croatia and think England were tactically just as good with the way they played v Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Denmark etc?

[@Valkyani]

Spaniard here, de la Fuente won with the sub 19, 21 and the absolute. He has experience drafting, making a good team and wining. He has plenty of experience.

[@char198]

He's getting far more credit than he really deserves. Players having star moments got him to the final not his tactics. Easiest side of the draw and made it look the hardest.

[@stephenmason9527]

Finally some common sense. England didn't really outplay 1 single team they faced in the whole tournament.

[@char198]

@@hyywe240 what a load of waffle

[@desfefe]

@@char198 I tried to read it and wasted my time.. England never will progress because you have idiots who are results oriented instead of looking at the context too.

[@hyywe240]

​@char198 a well thought out repsonse with lots of good points 🙄 try actually speaking like an adult and making some counter arguments?

[@char198]

@@hyywe240 youve got literally nothing for me to counter you just started spewing out past teams and results how did you expect me to respond?

[@elisee9935]

Rory is a massive fucking waffler. All his justifications for playing down Spain's international achievements in the past just because they played an English squad that were "favourite on paper". It made my brain rot. Apart from Nieve, this whole panel was calling for Southgate to be sacked 3 days ago🤦‍♀️

[@YTA5690]

He relies on his intelligent sounding accent to throw people off.

[@nglforbes]

My god he absolutely waffles 😂😂 it's unbelievable what comes out of his mouth delusional

[@Rodders0223]

​@@YTA5690The Laurence McKenna special

[@OG_1669]

No my brother, this is the beauty of Football, opinions can change after every game, if England would've won it then he'd be called greatest ever coach for England and honestly when Palmer scored I actually thought they might win it outta shear luck and individual brilliance but Football won🗿

[@Deathmare235]

@@OG_1669that’s the problem he changes his opinion every time, that’s the disgust of football there’s no integrity

[@jens2049]

Rory's wildest take yet lol

[@eelez9634]

He's mental, the amount of shite he shouts from the rooftop regarding Chelsea about demanding success, but England he's the complete opposite. I think his goal is to always come across as a contrarian and absorb all the engagement that it brings.

[@tahirmughal8474]

Guys lost it

[@dansheshe8039]

Lost me at this was spain biggest achievement over winning euros wc euros

[@adam-z9e2j]

@@eelez9634 2 weeks ago he was completely anti soufgate

[@nickwoodward819]

Yeah, ngl, Adam has some half decent takes sometimes, but this lot are mental. I'm out.

[@Mirza-dg3ur]

England were arguably not even a top 4 team at this Euros. A final should not save Southgate from being sacked. A team with this much talent should be a heavy favourite to win the entire thing, not scraping through with lucky results.

[@EvilMammal]

England have been to 3 finals, Southgate got us two of them... put some respect on his name.

[@olbapoli4074]

You just said they were not a top 4 team yet got to the final therefore exceeding expectations

[@nibrasansari17]

@@EvilMammal As a neutral, Southgate deserves respect on stabilizing England after the disaster of 2016, but celebrating finals is no where near a good mentality. A prime example is Tottenham, what's the point in celebrating 2nd? You wanna win or fill the quota? And Euro 2024 was the most luckiest run to the final a team has had considering y'all having arguably the best squad on paper. Not only was there luck but the performance was HORRIFIC and boring and just playing off moments. That's not gonna win you anything, respect for stabilizing England but now its time for the next step and that means a serial winning manager

[@bubblenugget777]

​@olbapoli4074 you're leaving out context, that being that the top 4 were all on the same side of the bracket

[@Mirza-dg3ur]

@@olbapoli4074 They didn't have to play Germany, France, Belgium or Portugal. Scraped a result against Slovakia and Switzerland, saved in the last minute by watkins against Netherlands and looked terrible for 2 thirds of the match against Spain which they lost. That is not exceeding expectations mate.

[@peptalk7658]

England is the Tottenham hotspurs of international football.

[@akbarloudi]

Which is why Rory was spitting truths about 2 finals in 2 years. Which other England manager has done that?

[@sloppygoo]

@@akbarloudimate 2nd is 1st loser who gives a rip about runner up not winners

[@120rikeshlawoju8]

More like Arsenal since everyone loves watching England lose

[@lukelocks9083]

If only ENG had some of Tottenham's recent mangers, Poch or Maureeniho with these palyers, would've clinched a trophy!

[@ndub415]

@@lukelocks9083 Maureeniho lmao

[@jumaclo]

All tournament Rory was moaning about needing to sack southgate and now hes happy with him??!

[@EvilMammal]

he does say in this that southgate has changed his mind in this tournament

[@TheAntagonistx]

He does this every tournament.

[@themisanthropichumanist7050]

@@EvilMammal I literally don't understand how struggling against subpar opposition that we are superior to in tandem with his stubborness to change the system and players all the way until we actually did play a good team and got eliminated justifies a change in ones mind about a giving coach. Like what? What are they watching?

[@EvilMammal]

@@themisanthropichumanist7050 I'm getting so tired of people thinking they can do a better job - Nieve's opinion in this video is on point and it's about time some fucking said it.

[@themisanthropichumanist7050]

@@EvilMammal We're not saying we could do a better job, but we understand that there's coaches out there that would; and anybody with a brain can make that observation. There's coaches out there who would absolutely do a better job; that's why they're considered world-class and Gareth is not. He got Middlesborough relegated and now he's managing a team above his pay grade.

[@Rionthelion]

Do you guys enjoy suffering!?? wanting Southgate to stay is hilarious. The hate watch continues lol

[@BurnCKC]

Literally any English manager with Prem experience would be better. Howe, Rodgers, Potter... I'd take any of them over Southgate.

[@2Balendin2]

@@BurnCKC I'd take an outside and cheeky punt on both Lee Carsley and Will Still above Southgate (not that it matters now as hes defo not staying)

[@Deathmare235]

@@BurnCKCnot rodgers, he might be better than Southgate but there’s better options than both

[@HAZZAHIS]

Giving Southgate far too much credit considering England have only beat 1 team in the top 15 in the world in the past 4 tournaments. Incredibly lucky

[@BurnCKC]

Exactly. The fact is that if we were on the other side of the draw, we'd have been out in the last 16... quarters at best.

[@elingrome5853]

also 45 MILLION QUID RICHER

[@kiwihib]

Why weren't the other England manager's lucky.

[@stephenmason9527]

England had the easiest group and easiest path to final. They didn't significantly outplay a single team they faced, not one. Spain played significantly tougher opposition, won every game and were better every game.

[@thorodinson7827]

Spain played Italy, France, Germany, Croatia.

[@adambishop5739]

They're a better team, thats why! And we significantly outplayed Holland, at least in the first half anyway. But why are you expecting us to outplay teams anyway? We lost 0-4 at home, to Hungary!! England are crap, its in the blood, we have to face that fact. And we never gel our substantial talent into anything like what it should be. But Gareth is doing far, far better than anyone else before him (except Alf, that much goes without saying). NOBODY should be expecting England to win, thats mental thinking..crazy!! Stop expecting "Its coming home"....ITS NOT! People who say that, either have very short memories or are too young to know what England, historically are. Southgate is doing frigging amazing...nobody else would have gotten us to where he has. It doesn't matter how good our players individually are, put them in a team, wearing a white shirt, with a badge with 3 lions on it, and they turn to shit!! They ALWAYS have done! We're just wayyyy less shit with GS running things, than with any of the others. Its really time people stopped expecting so much from England and give GS some damn props, the man has done a brilliant job with the shit he has had to work with (I mean the collective mentality of the team, not the individual players). England always demote the value of the collective. We should be better but we're not...Gareth deserves alot of respect for what he's done. We don't wanna lose him, because nobody seems to remember how bad it was before him, well, they'll soon recall it vividly, if he leaves...I promise you that!

[@thorodinson7827]

@@adambishop5739 palmer kane Bellingham foden. All these players have more than 20 goals this season. Goals were the least thing I expected from England as a neutral. Why are all these world class players underperforming? And rory out here chirping Southgate should stay

[@stephenmason9527]

@@thorodinson7827 Spain knocked out Croatia (who were also finalist in the last European tournament UEFA Nations League) Germany (the hosts) Italy (the reigning European champions) France (World Cup Finalist and highest FIFA ranked team in the tournament) and England (last Euros finalist) Just an insane run.

[@adambishop5739]

​@@thorodinson7827 Well everyone else has gotten their wish now, he's decided to leave...which I think is very sad...we are going to get really crap now and everybody will be crying to get him back, you just wait and see.

[@arunbalu5166]

Have i just heard rory say that this win for spain was a bigger achievement than them winning back-to-back euros and a world cup in between? yeah his head is lost

[@RobenArjen]

I think this win was more tougher, 7 games, won the group of death the. Best strong Germany France and now England which is like winning the wc

[@MrJonnyl123]

@@RobenArjenthat’s still not a bigger achievement than winning 3 straight international tournaments. That may never be done again

[@MrMet777]

@@MrJonnyl123 It literally just happened yesterday lol

[@MrJonnyl123]

@@MrMet777 can’t compare copa America to winning euros and World Cup. Copa America only has two good teams in it in Brazil and Argentina

[@homebrewgraphics2384]

Heard this from him in previous clip as well - Still struggling to find any logic to make that make sense. Mental perspective

[@hcf2516]

England won 2 out of 7 games in normal time in the tournament and you’re making it out like they did well.

[@oscarinlopez546]

There were so many insane statements made in this clip. As if England faces only unique obstacles to winning titles. Other counties get managers who “don’t care about the future” but they get trophies, which is the whole point of preparing for the future, so just saying you’re building for the future is a loser mentality. Somehow England can have all the necessary components: great players, extremely lucky draws, big favorites underperforming, even home field advantage for the last euros; and yet, when they inevitably drop out, we get a laundry list of reasons and excuses. You cannot say that England has it any harder or any worse than any country that’s been able to win a major trophy in the last 15 years. This delusion is why every other country cheers against England. I used to love this channel but with takes like this I’m not sure how much more I can watch. Adam was the only reasonable one.

[@BenLeinster]

Mate this is one of the worst watches. They keep crediting the Southgate rather than the FA for creating St George's Park. Most of our youth teams have won a youth World Cup. This is why they get on better with each other. I think there is very little to credit him with

[@RobenArjen]

@@BenLeinsterhe definitely deserves credit. He got them far irrespective of favourable draws but it comes down to mentality they don’t have winning mentality

[@BenLeinster]

@@RobenArjen He lost again when we played a big team

[@reggiega7989]

​@RobenArjen the bracket matters though, switch us with one of the other trams on the other side of the bracket and we don't make the finalN probably don't even make the semis/quarters. Of course you have play what's infront of you but even being in the easier bracket, we got past Slovakia from a wonder goal in the 94th minute. We scraped through games up to the finals. Then as soon as we cam up against a top team we got outplayed

[@RobenArjen]

@@BenLeinster agree but he got to 2 finals even if it’s favourable draw and that what matters most. Final also goes down to luck

[@18Rolyat]

Giving the guy credit for the easiest routes and any hard teams he always fails and fails to pick the right team to attack

[@stuntpeggnieve]

Looking back yeah I was emotionally bias in this one…Was just sad. But I will *never* look back on the Southgate era badly, no matter what anyone says.

[@lwc2349]

Holy sh!t btw, Rory definitely touches himself to the sound of his own voice

[@mick.pathslcm89]

@5:00 This comment is a bit silly. The lady should Google Luis de la Fuente's rise through the Spanish national team ranks. Won championships with the under 19's, under 21's before taking over the senior squad - then won the nations league.

[@andrewnisbet2325]

Just utter b.s she spoke unfortunately. Not credible at all.

[@patrickfoster_media5451]

She is objectively right, you are just reasoning like a blinded idiot. Southgate is the most experienced England manager of all time at the reigns, as well as the first to finals back to back. Managing kids is incomparable to the international stage, where Southgate far mismatches de la Fuente. I'm a Cule and Spain/Argentina fan btw​@@Manofloveandpeace

[@Lonnakkoful]

Saying that Southgate "cares" about the team more than other teams managers is a wild take. Like didn't Aragones, Dechamps, Mancini etc care about their teams? What insight would this lot have in this?

[@alexf9381]

Right. That was complete nonsense.

[@lenl860]

“We don’t want Lee carsley” the man who got us the u21 euros last year, has more tactical awareness than Southgate and is working with the current crop of youth for 3 years… it’s such an obvious swap

[@eff943]

Ngl I know nothing about Lee Carsley but now that Southgate's resigned I hope he comes in, pretty hilarious how he actually has a better resume than Southgate but they don't want him 😂 b2b European finals are nice and all but he actually knows how to win one so not exactly the downgrade they think it is is it lol

[@alannz68]

Rory. We can feel for Southgate and at the same time realise we need better. He can man manage but tactically we are inept

[@BreetonBoi]

Its like everyone just forgot what we spent a whole summer watching

[@3BeatsProd]

On Rory's '2 finals in a row take' - Jurgen Klopp came 2nd to Pep in the PL 3-4 times. In the overall history of the league, ppl will only see him as 'The only manager to stop Pep winning 6 in a row' and even then City have still defended the PL for 4 years Jurgen Klopp played Real Madrid in 2 finals and got Liverpool to 3 European finals. In the first, goalkeeping errors were costly despite Klopp's management, the 2nd he won and the third we outplayed Real and lost because of one counter attack. Klopp's transformed the way people in Liverpool believe in the team and made us a feared team in Europe but ultimately he won 1 PL and 1 UCL (ignoring the 115 charges that would give him a few more titles). In context, yes Southgate has done better but the bar's on the floor, Didier Deschamp's also got the French to 2 consecutive WC finals but the French would still want him gone because his football's boring and uninspiring nowadays. England need a winner, even if it's a foreign manager. Sarah Wiegmann won England a trophy so there can't be this narrative that 'foreign managers will sabotage the team' or whatever.

[@AkbarKamallGames]

8 years and he has nothing to show for it. Success is based on trophies and Southgate hasn't won one. In both finals, he bottled it and failed tactically. With that England squad, they should have atleast one trophy with this second golden generation. Southgate is out of his depth and needs to go otherwise England will never win a trophy.

[@desfefe]

Dont mind them though. Same guys who said about how Spurs are serial losers, yet praise Southgate for winning fuck all

[@v4ghn]

All he has to show is that he can get very lucky and get a easy route to the final and lose. Okay he got to the final twice anybody with basic tactical knowledge could make the final with that team. And then when they play a good team they get spun and even in the World Cup against France they played a slum and shit Germany team easy route to the final and then lost to a good Italian team so 🤣

[@Fawkes1719]

I’m stunned by this video, Southgate was fucking terrible practically all tournament. Truly shocking stuff and then just because they had the easiest run to a final and squeak through on a 96’ bicycle kick in another game that all of a sudden Southgate should have his head held high? What are we talking about here lmao I genuinely don’t understand this at all.

[@joescott5322]

This is mind boggling…. How can you justify keeping Southgate after this shit show of a tournament

[@alexf9381]

It's insanity. They have biased goggles on and can't see reality.

[@jayjay-nk8eu]

De La Fuente doesn't have experience??!! Are u freaking kidding me. He coached and won with the u19s and u21s. He has a distinct style of play wtf are u on about. Come on guys dont wanna be that guy but Southgate has had the luckiest ever route to finals in both european competitions. As soon as we play a good side we get turned over

[@ajmolabedin5739]

Tottenham manager Ange Postecoglou is expected to be on the list of candidates being considered to become the next England manager

[@larrysirname]

I am sorry Nieve but "de la Fuente having less experience than Southgate as a manager" is ludicrous. De la Fuente started managing teams while Southgate still played the game. He has been in Spain's youth system for 10 odd years and probably knows all Spanish players inside out. Clueless take.

[@Nemophilist850]

Carsley won the U21 Euros without conceding a goal. He did significantly better than Southgate did in that role.

[@Cameroons]

I feel sorry for the players because they got to a final despite Southgate

[@flickchic238]

Rory just said this is Spain's biggest achievement because they beat England, and without Rodri and with having 2 children. This is the mentality of someone who hasn't seen their country win a world cup. Except Nieve and Adam, I wonder if these lads know how they sound to the outside world who do not support England.

[@samlagos2192]

This Rory bloke is completely delusional. What a clown. If Gareth stays I don’t want to ever hear this guy ever complain about the football we play ever again because he’s happy with end product (2 finals). We should have back to back euro finals wins and we lost both times. Figure that out

[@shaunwarwick-e2o]

people you are delusional if you think there will be a better England manager than Southgate.England have had great squads before and nothing to show for it , including no finals .

[@kaiwarwick5364]

Happy

[@scotthawkes74]

You're talking about keeping yhe coach who reverted to the formation that failed earlier in the tournament, Bellingham as a left midfielder to cover for Shaw, Foden as Rodri's marker, a patently unfit Kane as our sole front press, and a low nlock that invited a talented Spain side to rip us to pieces. Nuts.

[@hyywe240]

So to conclude the video, nobody has a suitable replacement. The only suggestion from all these people was klopp or pep 😂😂😂

[@jackkelly6251]

As an irishman, Soutgate is genuinely my favourite manager of all time. I have never watched a final in my life where predicting the winner would be so easy, England had zero chance with such a clown in charge. Although they did really well not to be embarassed to be fair to them. If Southgate stays then the world cup in 2026 is already over for them, its already an inevitable failure

[@MC-wn9to]

Do you want some salt and vinegar for that chip on your shoulder?

[@lb0433]

​@@MC-wn9toyour tears provide more than enough salt for the chips

[@MC-wn9to]

@@lb0433 I’m neither English nor support England…

[@deanrwatson]

You lack composure. You lack the mental fortitude. 27 tournaments, 7 decades, 19 Managers, 457 players, every tournament, you fall short. It can not be simply the players, the managers, the tactics, the technical ability. 5 Ballon d'Or winners. 15 times Champions League winners, 11 times runners up. Something happens at International Level, where the players fold. Other Nations relish it, Italy, Spain, Germany, Argentina, France and even lesser sides Iceland, Croatia, Serbia, Portugal. The only team, comparable in recent years, that have crumbled under pressure of expectation was Brazil.

[@Epsilon04]

Yep, and with every tournament that comes and goes ending in failure, more and more scars develop which then amplifies that mentality.

[@tspcontent4630]

Italy fell off after the Euros because they were old. Not because Mancini doesn’t care about grassroots or women’s football. They lost Chiellini, Insigne, Bonnuci & Veratti. Not to mention Jorginho, Immobile & Chiesa all declined.

[@marcomagrin7611]

Yeah. Chiesa and Spinazzola were out for over a year both with ACL injuries, which are essentially borderline career-ending.

[@ap7football933]

even if she was right about that, i doubt any italian rlly cares considering they have a trophy to show for it lol

[@scottfitzgerald3421]

This will be looked on in the exact manner the golden generation is. Picking names over perfect players for positions. This team had the potential to have wingers staying wide , getting the best out of Kane , being in a good position in the 60th min to bring foden on for Bellingham, Watkins for Kane, palmer for saka , to continue playing a similar style. Let’s not rewrite the last month. We got to the final inspite of Southgate

[@EliteNooob6]

These lot are clueless 😂😂😂

[@nickwoodward819]

They really are, think I'm done with this channel tbh

[@shvelgud]

Really wish the live wire in Doctor Who had trapped Rory in a TV when he was on the show. Maybe then we wouldn’t have to listen to him talking nonsense lol

[@olbapoli4074]

5:38 onwards pure waffle for the woman... southgate job is about the tournament he is overseeign nit grass roots or the womens game. Such a silly argument for Southgate.

[@joescott5322]

I know I couldn’t give a fuck about women’s team! His job is the men’s manager he’s there to deliver a trophy and he’s failed every fucking time

[@mikesmith8729]

So we're now saying starting the wrong players and eventually bringing on the right ones is a masterclass 😂😂

[@DanTheManCITY]

How tf are you glorifying failure with the players you have, embrassment of riches is an understatement when it comes to England's team.

[@chloe78181]

i can’t believe anyone in England can give southgate this much credit. Colombia almost beat Argentina last night and their best players (minus diaz) play in south america. england, with the players in that team, on the bench, even people left AT HOME play for the best clubs in the world. i’m american, have no skin in the game. i watched england in awe because with the talent on that team, how on earth did england crawl their way to the final

[@N330AA]

Absolutely no way we should keep Southgate. Getting to the final this year was utterly flattering due to the comically easy draw. Fact is every time we come up against a team at or above our level we go out. That's better than going out in the groups stages or against Iceland, but you're still not going to win anything that way. It's been a good ride for 8 years but the time has come for a fresh take on things.

[@yoshiwoollyworld]

How do you leave out england being 30 seconds away from losing to slovakia?

[@RegrettableSpursFan]

It’s not a new thing that when Southgate plays a top side he loses, 6 won out of 28 against top 10 teams before the tournament - if we played Spain 5 times we’d only win once, that’s how bad it is.. like I said nothing has changed and we need to get off the swan song band wagon, as Rory has said for years, ‘there’s no such thing as a valiant loser’

[@GramdalfFGC]

I mean this is clearly because emotions are high. We barely made it passed Slovenia. A last minute overhead kick, a wonder goal. If we were on Spain’s side of the bracket we wouldn’t have made it passed Germany. I like Southgate and I do think he deserves plaudits for that he’s done but Jesus Christ they’re talking about him like he’s a genius. The reality in this game is that we played a low block with no runners, we didn’t pressure them for 60 minutes until he put Watkins on. Then palmer scores, then we just mysteriously stop pressing and invite pressure again. Those are tactical decisions. Sometimes it’s not even the decision it’s the speed. By all means start Kane but hook him at half time, it’s obviously not working.

[@gooner72]

Correct!!! Southgate is nowhere near a Klopp, a Guardiola or an Ancelotti........ he's a lower half of the Premier League club manager at best, maybe even a Championship manager if I'm honest.

[@ap7football933]

right… how on earth are you going to play a defensive low block and not have any fast counter attacking players up front 💀

[@boomxhaka-saka7711]

5:00 I'm sorry, what the hell does having experience have to do with being tactically astute?? Not to mention De la Fuente cut his teeth with the youth teams, he's no mug!

[@alexf9381]

Right. That was an absolutely embarrassing statement.

[@sethdaniel1115]

Rory is just full of absolute nonsense. I'm convinced he enjoys the sound of his voice so much that he doesn't care what is spill8ng put of his mouth

[@flickchic238]

I feel bad for Southgate as a manager who has taken england further than they've been in recent years. He's a likeable manager

[@walkermorgan1710]

Even if they won I’d still have criticized Southgate

[@MrSugabear007]

Rory is a massive fucking waffler. All his justifications for playing down Spain's international achievements in the past just because they played an English squad that were "favourite on paper". It made my brain rot. Apart from Nieve, this whole panel was calling for Southgate to be sacked 3 days ago... @elisee9935 had to copy and paste....spot on

[@Deathmare235]

So you just copied someone

[@sailormoon6023]

We Love Southgate 💖 ❤

[@t.o9146]

You guys are delusional. Southgate has to leave. When ole kept losing in semi finals and finals people were saying it's not enough. When Ten Hag had one bad season people were calling for his head. Southgate is the problem. These "brilliant" substitutions are merely Great players getting him out of trouble. If they had started the results would have been better. Any top manager would have taken a fit natural LB. Any top manager wouldn't have played Trent in CM. Any top manager wouldn't have start Kane

[@ivangarciaferrer4921]

Acting like De la Fuente is a nobody, u19 champion, u21 champion, olympic silver, nations league champion and now euro champion. A manager who work and won in every category he has coached and do it with the spanish style we play in the lower categories as well as in the majors. The identity is the key. Thats why we won 3 of the last 5 euros since we started playing a certain way that favored or style of players.

[@leolewin6630]

Rory you have changed your tune very very quickly

[@LeePerkins-zc1qc]

It’s a no brainer! SOUTHGATE IS DONE! Did nobody notice we literally had no left side at all? NOTHING!!!! Antony Gordon sat on the bench! He WOULD have been the best left winger in the tournament YES INCLUDING WILLIAMS

[@jaredpp4151]

Spain bossed their way to the final having to go through the likes of Croatia and Italy in the groups and then facing a rejuvenated Germany squad and the tournament favorites in France. England didn’t have a single good performance this euros and they had the easiest path to the final. I mean England were less than 5 minutes away from getting knocked out by SLOVAKIA in the round of 16.

[@sik2dastar]

Who's this woman. Worst takes ever. Spain manager has beeb at the international level for years youth and now senior. He's seen these players grow up and coached them for years. He's literally the Spanish Southgate and he's won it now

[@ssmufc9941]

Absolutely stuns me how anyone credits Southgate with anything. Let's get something clear, ANY manager would have gotten to 2 Euro finals, a WC SF and QF with the England squads he's had and the huge luck in tournament brackets. ANY competent manager would have probably won at least 1 trophy.

[@Ak-un3zl]

"They got to the finals despite Southgate. Not because of him"

[@Sakmento]

Rory's praising of southgate and defending that he will have something to show by being in a final.... and yet slates poch constantly for being a loser for never having won the finals is ridiculous

[@ArchieSimpson-s8e]

Southgate getting back to back finals and best team they’ve beat is Netherlands is embarrassing not a great achievement

[@tomislavandric7919]

Rory flippity flopping

[@dirtshultz]

This is just ludicrous. The decision should be taken out of his hands . He should be asked to step down. Any other big nation. Would have replaced Southgate years ago. Southgate may be a nice guy. But that doesn't win trophy. His tactics and the ability to pick the right players to play in a system are no exsistan. Everyone knows exactly what will happen if he takes England to the next world cup 😮😮

[@nglforbes]

My god what am i hearing ,im glad its back to club football because no Southgate and this specialist in failure mentalitly. Sentiment is clearly better than trophies rory Jennings i hope Southgate somehow some way becomes Chelsea manager

[@ArchieSimpson-s8e]

Rory Southgate to hodgson. Look who hodgson had at his disposal people like rickie lambert

[@ArchieSimpson-s8e]

Giving rice the most minutes in the tournament is a massive problem

[@dividendkinginvesting5272]

Southgate is awful, his talented squad got us to the final imdespite Southgate not because of him.

[@robinsontodd79]

*SOUTHGATE IS THE PROBLEM*

[@TheRandomDudee]

I feel so sorry for Southgate. It must be so horrible to win nothing in 8 years and crawl through every game just to see £40m in your bank. Must feel horrible. GET HIM GONE!

[@DBraum]

He never beat a team that is good. Netherlands is a good but have a shit manager, but outside of them, every time a good team comes, England loses. Every tournament you had a great bracket to get to the semis or Final, but had you run into a good team, you were out early. If Serbia managed to get a drow with you guys, you would not be even close to the final

[@stephenmason9527]

Even Netherlands finished 3rd in their group in this tournament They weren't that good tbh

[@hyywe240]

Which big teams have we beaten in the last 30 years? Other than germany and the netherlands under southgate of course

[@raginghornado9346]

I’ve always thought this aswell, even in the last euros had all home/Uk based games against soft teams, and a QF against Ukraine! Soft run again

[@ap7football933]

@@hyywe240 how are you even counting netherlands who had their best player in de jong injured all tournament lol

[@hyywe240]

@@ap7football933 they are ranked 7th in the world. That is a big team. I take it you don't remember big teams we beat before southgate though?

[@DaleHarris-hf8js]

I do think Southgate's time is up and for his sake i hope he goes now before fans really turn on him. Whatever you think of him, the mess he took over back in 2016 to now having reached 2 finals and a world cup semi final after years of being no where near it is really unrated. Thanks for the memories Gareth 👍

[@gslang3489]

De La Feunte had mad tactics. Look at both goals. u18s and u21s hes been building this team for years. From 1st name on team sheet to 26th man on roster, they know they're job in complete cohesion. England has easy roads to final in both Euros at minimum. Other side of bracket and Southgate never reaches final.

[@evanclp514]

the delusion on this panel thinking that Southgate is a good manager is insane. they've reached these finals in spite of Southgate. his refusal to drop Kane and Foden hurt the team. if you swap managers with Spain, De La Fuente has England winning and Southgate has Spain getting knocked out against Germany. Southgate wouldn't even give players like Nico Williams or Lamine Yamal an opportunity to play. he has no courage to make the risky choices.

[@mega7070]

It's nice seeing you guys looking at the bigger picture, not like these emotion-run folks in the comments

[@DorianHysaj]

What the hell am I hearing from you guys. These are HORRIBLE takes. Only England celebrate losing!

[@24Argie]

This is the first time I’ve ever listened to Maeve and thought she was talking absolute nonsense. I get that emotions are high but we lost that due to Southgate. We were set up consistently dreadfully game after game. Individuals got us through against the dross and when the level of opposition was at a good level Southgate was found out. We won’t win the World Cup or euros without a change in management. Let Southgate have an important position behind the scenes

[@alexf9381]

Agreed. It's so disappointing seeing her make such nonsense points here. Even disrespecting the Spain manager at 4:55 and doing so based on an incorrect argument.

[@mohammadkamarudin4794]

England gone through final because of individual moment. Not through tactics.

[@bigbowss9817]

Terrible take from Rory and Niv, and I usually like her inputs. De La Fuente has less experience, but he makes better managerial decisions, thats a fact. Southgate obviously has good man management skills since the players are happy to fight for him. But on the flip side, he stiffles his players abilities by putting them in bad positions, so it limits their individual quality. He doesnt set patterns of play that his team can fall back on either in offense or defense, but especially in transition. And on top of that, he's also a late reactive manager, as he's slow to see momentum switches and often makes the wrong changes at the wrong times. The problem isnt that he's too defensive (although thats also an issue based on the personel at his disposal and a better manager would be able to recognize the strenghts & weaknesses of his squad), its that he's a bad manager. England will be hard press to find a worst manager at this point...

[@scotthawkes74]

Let's keep him on, hoping he has the same ucky draw so he doesn't meet anyone decent that he is guaranteed to lose against due to not having a basic understanding of front foot football. We knew how this would end because it's how it always ends. Crazy to just do it again.

[@davidtemilade8321]

Nieve's takes on Southgate are more emotional than logical. This is elite sport. The aim of the game is to win. Uniting the nation can be done in different ways. The BEST way to unite the nation is to just win. That's it. Truth of the matter is, we have fallen short, again. We had the best squad (in terms of depth) in this tournament and it came down to tactical nouse being the main reason we lost. Goals came merely from individual player brilliance and manager tactical plans. This is evidenced by even Nieve suggesting we try to get a Klopp or Guardiola.

[@julianbrown619]

Looool the teams Southgate has had the easiest pathway to the final as any INTERNATIONAL MANAGER EVER and always comes up against a team that is 50/50 on paper or they are better and we lose, stop this he's been to two finals in a row, the golden generations problem was theu couldnt beat the big teams same with Southgate

[@calvincooke6966]

How does Rory flip flop on his opinions like this. Such a bloody waffler

[@boomxhaka-saka7711]

Rory: Sensationalist contrarian Neve: Ball knowledge of a sack of gravel

[@PaulElstins-gt2qc]

❤ didn't do anything for the England football 😒 he didn't do anything 🙄 no cup no World Cup s 😒 new manager for England please 🙏 man city manager for England no more boring football for England 😢 up the England yes lhm 68 year old i remember 1966 yes please 😅happy times for England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 new 👍 new 👍 😀 England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Rodders0223]

Eddie Howe not better than Southgate? That's enough now.

[@MrJonnyl123]

Lee Carsley is a much better manager than Southgate lol. Don’t see why people crapping on him. He won euros with the 21s last year. Maybe not a media politician like Southgate but much better coach

[@mullacmaharg4246]

I cant believe people are trying to give southgate credit for making subs that changed the game even tho it was the team and the tactics that Southgate picked that made us look so shit and my dead nan could see you needed to get watkins and palmer on

[@boomxhaka-saka7711]

Italy won the euro and went on a 37 game undefeated streak under Mancini, with possibly the worst italian squad in the last 40 years

[@Ronit1220]

This is the reason you haven’t won anything under Southgate. Brining in Toney in the 93/94th minute while you had ZERO shots on target until a bicycle kick in the 95th minute & then crediting Southgate because Toney assisted the winner in extra time is UTTER STUPIDITY. HE DIDN’T impact the game because he wasn’t brought on earlier. SAKA SCORING A SCREAMER WASN’T Southgate’s decision. The only decision that’s he’s got right was bringing in Cole Palmer and Watkins in the semis(there too they won’t it with a once in a life time finish in the 91st minute)and final YOU PLONKER(RORY) TALK ABOUT SOUTHGTE’S DECISION CHANGING THE GANE FOR THE BETTER, WHAT ABOUT YOUR F*** ALL TEAM STARTING THE GAMES ON THE BACK FOOT. WHAT ABOUT ENGLAND CONCEDING THE FORST GOAL IN EVERY KNOCKOUT STAGE GAME?! WEREN’T THOSE SOUTHGATE’S DECISION.🧐

[@countdowncity41]

Feel for the lads, especially the ones that were seeking redemption from three years ago. It’s definitely time for Southgate to go, got to two finals but cannot get over the line.. time to give someone else a shot with these young players.

[@jacklane3679]

As much as I love what Southgate has done for England, all the things we perceive as his primary strengths could be maintained if the FA created a director's role for him to oversee the men's team culture. He has made England fertile ground for any coach after it used to be a poisoned chalice. He should remain visible behind the scenes at St George's Park to cultivate that progress, but we need an elite employee as the figurehead of the squad, coaching and tactics. The identity - or lack thereof - on the pitch is the single biggest weakness of the Southgate/Holland era. Solve that one issue and we will compete.

[@pgrovners]

I think Rory seeks the path of most controversy. Most people are "thanks Southgate for the memories, but we need someone better now"

[@kingofthebridge8339]

These mugs deserve Southgate to manage their clubs.

[@86Refire]

Ohhhh hell nahhh. Bruh 2 finals through the easiest side. Southgate getting carried by miracle moments. This reminds me of ManU fans with ten hag, you guys are gaslighting yourselves.

[@zayn6725]

Watched a bit more of this video. If these guys can be on a podcast talking about footy then I should be on Sky. The kick off has been way better lately.

[@davidmoroney6]

Thinking rory needs the sack..

[@GreyEagle]

Southgate better than Eddie Howe? Good god rory doesnt half talk some sh*t