The Ronaldo vs Messi Paradox.

[@ehzardo]

firstly, just want to say thank you to everyone for the support and feedback. i’m glad so many of you enjoyed the video and i can promise there’ll be more to come so make sure you subscribe and stick around 🤝 secondly, this comment section has also become something i didn’t want. for those who have watched the entire video, you should know it’s about appreciating both players. so let’s keep it civilised and respectful 🫡

[@monsterrrrgaming]

@@ehzardo if you keep up this work, you will be one of the football documentaries GOAT

[@p.Espin95]

What a great video! Really enjoyed it! Im just thanksful I was alive watching theses two guys at their prime.

[@atoyorke7468]

You should do well to mention the countless times Ronaldo has disrespected Messi when Messi never says a bad word about Ronaldo…be honest and stop focusing on being impartial

[@monsterrrrgaming]

@@atoyorke7468 when has ronaldo disrespected messi?

[@atoyorke7468]

@@monsterrrrgaming In interviews mocking Messi’s copa America exit…Calling him unsavory nicknames in the dressing room…On social media sending laughing emojis at messi slander posts…his family mocking Messi…i’ve seen a lot more

[@Freezercool10]

If only we could turn back the clock 14 years and relive that era.

[@nathanhosea489]

Just be grateful we lived through it. Unless you're 15 or 16 this year, but if you are, 2011-12 was something completely on a different level, the peak of club football as we know it

[@jkepler1571]

Hear! Hear!

[@RalphieMuskinyaar]

I’m just glad we got to see it. What a time to be alive.

[@badsolja1]

No thank you Lmao His in so happy that era is finally over Messi cr7 worst era in football history No much talents 4 good teams in Europe Hell nah Every year you know it’s Barca or real or Munich You people have never watched football if you all think this the best era lmao

[@jkepler1571]

@@badsolja1 OK, smarty guy. Enlighten us. Bless us with your wisdom. When was the best era?

[@monsterrrrgaming]

I think that Messi is the GOAT, but Ronaldo isn't far from him, people who think that Ronaldo is the GOAT have a point, people who think Messi is the GOAT have a point.

[@TREPIIID]

Careful, you're acting too rationale in a comment section like this. Notreubensandwich is such a goon. Unironically using terms like "Pendu" confirms he hasn't matured past 5.

[@notreubensandwich]

He’s not really though. Messi is far far better. Messi is the greatest dribbler and playmaker ever while Ronaldo’s nowhere near that. You can only compare them in finishing but even there Messi is far more efficient than Ronaldo statistically. For example, Messi has scored more long range goals in half the attempts than Ronaldo. Same with free-kicks. Its not really a debate. Players like Maradona, R9 are more comparable to Messi in pure footballing terms. Cristiano’s prime just isn’t that level but he had longevity though which is why he’s top 5 in my books.

[@monsterrrrgaming]

@@notreubensandwich dribbling yeah, but messi isn't the best playmaker in the world, iniesta, xavi, pirlo, kroos and modric are better in terms of playmaking. Cristiano is a better goalscorer than Messi. Ronaldo played 200 games as a right midfielder where is harder to score goals from, if we want to compare goalscoring we should take ronaldo's time in Real Madrid in which he has a better goal scoring ratio than messi. Ronaldo's weak foot is better than messi's, ronaldo's heading ability is better than messi's. Messi has free kicks but ronaldo has penalties. Cristiano has more hattricks than messi. He was the top scorer of the ucl more times than messi, has more goals and assists in the champions league than messi. Ronaldo's dribbling ability became worse because he shifted roles, from playing in the LW position in to the ST position, and of course he had that knee injury that worsened his dribbling. Ronaldo's playmaking ability isn't that bad, but messi's is far better. Do you now see why people think that ronaldo is the goat

[@notreubensandwich]

@@monsterrrrgaming Kroos? hahahah Messi literally has 5 playmaker awards that's by far the most in history. He also has the most assists in the history. Messi's gravity alone makes him a much much deadlier playmaker than Xavi, Kroos, Modrid or Pirlo. F off Penaldo played as a winger in United and pretty much a number 9 in his last season at united with Rooney sacrificing a lot. Messi played most of his 2nd half of his career playing deep where he had to run the game after Xavi retired in 2014. Messi has the most goals in a year which Penaldo can't even dream of. Messi has SIX GOLDEN BOOTS. Messi has the record for League goals which pendu never did. If pendu was a better goalscorer he would've scored a knockout goal in 5 world cups but he failed lololol Most managers, players, commentators rate Messi as the Goat. Even guys like Mourinho has said that much lol

[@monsterrrrgaming]

@@notreubensandwich so messi's gravity makes him a better playmaker, messi gets those awards because of his name, messi is an elite playmaker but not as good as the actual midfielders, you know, midfielders who's whole job Is to create chances. When you say penaldo and pendu you are referring to ronaldo's penalties which he is far better than messi at pens. Messi played his 2nd half of his career as a right winger mate and sometimes dropped to CAM to create chances. Most goals in a year yes but ronaldo had 60+ goals in 4 consecutive seasons, a nearly equal record. The golden boots are fair, but I will have to say that messi had the better team mates.

[@saint7732]

If messi and ronaldo played together lord the amount of goals ronaldo would have gotten 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@khosta6690]

Messi fan type comment

[@nathanhosea489]

2 of his best ever seasons were with Ozil, probably the only playmaker he's ever played with who's on the same level as Messi in terms of playmaking. But yeah, that duo would've been absolutely insane, 60+ goals 40+ assists for Messi and 70+ goals 20+ assists for Ronaldo

[@Parth-gx1nw]

​@@nathanhosea489Messi runs at goals and attracts more players unlike Ozil. Which gives his teammates more chances to exploit his passing and space. Definitely Ronaldo would have had way more goals and even assists. Messi really loves to cross on the left wing or in the box which is Ronaldo's main strong point. So ya definitely no way it wont be a deadly combo

[@Vladimirputin11111]

​@@nathanhosea489 Messi attracts more players..

[@samuelcarrillo4378]

@@khosta6690Ronaldo simp. It’s just basic fact that Messi is a better passer. They would have been better than the mns trio. Even as just a duo.

[@marto179]

Ronaldo and Messi: 🥺🤝🥰 Their fans: 😡🤬☠️

[@okokokokkoko3214]

????? havent you seen the comments ronaldo put under Messi’s balon dor wins? “😂😂😂😂” “factos 😂” thats just childish not to mention the times when Ronaldo mentioned messi as “mf” in the madrid locker room, calling the Saudi league better than the French league (when messi played for psg) and many more

[@NycmanTheNicestOfMen]

Ronaldo and messi is JUST AS toxic though. Mostly from ronaldo tho.

[@artonio5887]

@@okokokokkoko3214 Ronaldo himself is a toxic asshole, and an overall idiot. But online I see messi fans being toxic way more often than ronaldo fans. Like, just look at this comment section, all it takes is someone saying they are a ronaldo fan, for a messi fan to be instantly summoned in the replies, with a wall text, explaining how "it's not even close". Saying shit like "messi's stats are WAY better", even tho it shows in the video that they are just a bit better, and that both players are clearly of a comparable level. I never see ronaldo fans trying to pull messi down from the top legend status, it's always messi fans trying to make ronaldo seem like an average player.

[@LeafyPeach]

Ronaldo is super jealous of Messi.

[@Jama004]

lol this is false. Ronaldo hates him. And the evidence is everywhere

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

One is a machine, the other is a magician. Both are phenomenal, but comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges

[@mikelbaningo6407]

@@gurururuwarararara8164 messi is clear lol

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

@@mikelbaningo6407 bro learned football from yt shorts

[@MarkoGV1]

@@strikerfc-gv7pc He is right, Messi is clear. Just look at imaginary arguments from Ronaldo fans why is better. 1.) "Ronaldo is better because he scored more goals". Number of goals was never, and will never be deciding factor in a debate who is the goat. That is like saying Haaland is better player than Brazilian Ronaldo because he scored more goals. 2.) "Ronaldo did it in Premier League and Messi didn't". That is just a theory, you can't know if Messi would be good in PL. In Premier League, one brainless winger like Sterling was scoring 20 goals per season and Messi would not succeed in that league hahaha. 3.) "World cup was rigged" Yeah, with France having two penalties in finals, and with absolutely zero proof of being rigged. 4.) "CR has 0 WC knockout goal contributions because Portugal is not that good and Messi had strong Argentina always." Figo, Rui Costa, Bruno Fernandes, Cancelo, Nani, Bernardo Silva and many others top class players played with him in Portugal. And Messi won WC with Acuna, Molina and others. You see, almost every single argument where Ronaldo is better is just some theory. 8 Ballon d'Ors, World Cup, two times best player of World Cup, facts, no theories. Of course, CR fans will say that his awards were not deserved, but that is nothing but their opinion, it has no weight at all, it means nothing, it is just their opinions. Messi clear. End of story.

[@enderwxrld]

I don't think Ronaldo is better than Messi. But Messi is also not better than Ronaldo. Sometimes the other plays better, sometimes the other one plays better. It really depends​@@MarkoGV1

[@Withoutme0]

we got 3 year gap boy

[@yaboiplank6764]

There are things that Ronaldo can do that Messi can’t But there are things that Messi can do that no other player can

[@MachoManEditz]

its a media forced debate messi was always been better even before the world cup its as simple as that! ronaldo is a great goalscorer messi is the best playmaker, the best goalscorer and also has a better stats in defence than ronaldo but still we have to appreciate both!

[@banksfranks775]

People forget how good ronaldo was in his prime. Its not media forced at all.

[@ballsballsballs3617]

Messi has never done anything without Barca. And even with Barca he pretty much hasn’t done anything in a decade other than his World Cup. Everyone (not just Ronaldo fans simply fans of football) know that Messi has 2 ballon dor that r heavily scrutinized because he didn’t deserve them as much as others where as Ronaldo has had a ballon dor stolen from him in broad daylight (funnily enough from a player on his own team who he just won the ucl for 3rd time in a row while being the driving force). There will always be a debate. The fact is the people like u ( and the opposite with die hard Ronaldo fans) r ruining football cuz u can’t get over the fact not everybody cares about ur opinion

[@alexanderkhandolishvili5336]

@@banksfranks775 It is media forced, because Messi had better prime as well. Better prime, better stats, better h2h stats, more team trophies, more individual trophies and even if you forget all of the above the eye test just shows that messi is a better player.

[@MachoManEditz]

@matsalvatore9074 first why r u mentioning xavi, inesta and pep? la masia what?🤣 and if u remove euro qualifiers where ronaldo farms goals against luxumborg, lithuenia, andora and the likes and count goals(or assists if u like) messi has more and also ronaldo has 0 player of the tournament in 16 tournaments played that says a lot and u say messi is limited? limited in what? he is the better playmaker(the best actually), the better goal scorer( has better goal to game ratio, scores more from outside the box, had the greatest goal scoring prime, more golden boots, more shot on target and needs less shot to score than ronaldo and he is the better free kick shooter) , and he's even better in defence check his stats so ronaldo is the limited one and it is definetly not an opinion objectively messi is miles better!

[@NishanGhimire-rl7mp]

@matsalvatore9074 This is complete bs... 1. 0 trophies since Pep, Xavi and Iniesta? Unless you mean 0 UCL trophies, you are just being extremely biased. Ligue 1, Laliga, Copa del Rey aren't trophies at club level? Even if your argument is UCL, Ronaldo didn't win UCL after Real Madrid.. juve 2019? Round of 16... 2020? Round of 16... Your point is just dumb... 2. La Masia at 13? That just shows his potential being acknowledged.. Farmed is just a retarded way to put it.. You are just being a hater at that point. Messi being brought from Argentina which is outside of europe just shows the importance that the club saw.. Same can be said about ronaldo with sporting lisbon.. Donot be a moron and make illogical statements. 3. Argentina winning more pre-Messi doesn't mean jackshit.. If you are going to use Pre-Messi concept, Barcelona won more after Messi than before Messi so it really doesn't matter. Even if you are going to talk about Argentina, the team wasn't the best during his 2014 campaign and where did he take them? Yea the finals in the world cup. With a team that evolved around him, where did they go in 2022? Yea they won the world cup. Where did Ronaldo go in the world cup? That should end the illogical international point you made. 4. Comparing goals and assists in international stage between 2 different conferderation is just outright wrong. The average team ranking matters and you have look at the type of goals and assists made. Of course i dont expect much from a retarded biased fan who calls messi limited and ronaldo limitless. For you, type of goals and assists don't matter lol. See the number of matches played and the teams ranking at the matches played, see where the majority of ronaldo's goals and assists came from before spouting non-sense. 5. Facts are there. Statistics aren't opinions. Eye-test should clear any doubt. But of course can't really expect much from you.

[@JackPaul-vs3bq]

Unlike the kids debating in the comments section, this video is very rational and very nuanced. CR7 and Messi elevated the game of Football on a global scale. El Clasico has never been the same. Love and respect these greats massively. 👏🏿👏🏿 I'm definitely subscribing to this channel.

[@JackPaul-vs3bq]

@@captainfalconmain6576 Again, you're missing the point. 🤣🤣

[@ArnoldBayema]

The sad thing is we will probably never saw players with this type of talents and longevity. They are truly amazing. Just look how the ballon d'or is tasteless without them

[@kijjamburodney3086]

They have both set the measuring stick in all the football game that is nearly impossible to achieve cause of how good they are and their consistency through the years

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

Okay, i rate Ronaldo. But facts are Messi is better.

[@RoshanTD]

Even though some fans still want to debate Messi vs. Ronaldo, it’s no longer a contest. When we watch them play football, especially when they’re not scoring, it becomes evident that Messi has far more in his arsenal than Ronaldo.

[@mikelbaningo6407]

Swrs bro😂 Ronaldo is currently finished😂😂 while messi is currently the ballon dor holder at 36😂

[@ladyole9291]

​​@@mikelbaningo6407while Ronaldo is 39?, compare both of them at the same age Ronaldo at 36 clutching up for man UTD 2021 season and Messi inter Miami. You can study the effects of aging on athletes 2 to 3 yrs age cap might seem minute but it's very important especially in players who are in their 16 to 20 and those of 36 to 41 and Ronaldo plays as a winger which focusses more on pace and athletic ability that was why cryuff said Ronaldo would be finished at 29 cus his style used his pace , speed and athletic prowess unlike Messi who used his amazing lower center of gravity as a basis of his style as well as his high football iq

[@michaelbozimo8454]

​@ladyole9291 Somewhat agree. But looking at it ronaldo without goals didn't really do much in matches long before he became 39. It's not just this year

[@mikelbaningo6407]

@@ladyole9291 Ronaldo at 36 Trophyless with united Took them to Europa league Got 2 coaches sacked Rejected by every club in Europe Had one of the worst WC campaigns of all time 💀 just 1 goal Lol messi is clear

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

@@mikelbaningo6407 if you had any ball knowledge you’d know that United team were in the mud and cr7 was the scapegoat for all of the club’s problems which started after he left in 2009 even though he saved them multiple times whilst Messi is in the mls at 36 struggling vs Atlanta utd with some of the best players he’s ever played with also on this team

[@aaperytky2773]

Heart says Ronaldo. Brain says Messi. When i wached football the most (2016-2018), it was Ronaldos dominanse and i loved waching his goal complinations. At the time of the world cup final i started to like more of Messis playing style. But i can never forget my love towards Ronaldo scoring. At the end of the day i learned to appriciate both players.

[@honzagomela5800]

Well, here lies the problem. You and many others probably didn't even see Ronaldo playing in his 20s. Needless to say, he was better in 2011-2013 than in 2016-2018.

[@TanmaySharma-d1n]

@@honzagomela5800 the problem is that he also didnt watch messi prior to 16-18

[@newtonowaga6433]

@@TanmaySharma-d1n great response 👍🏾

[@halftendedifiebf1741]

@@honzagomela5800Facts Cristianos Prime is from 2008-2014

[@bigsmall2842]

@@honzagomela5800id say 2008-2014 are the years Ronaldo really showed his brilliance.

[@trashenone2205]

I am a big fan of Ronaldo, and I have accepted that Messi is a better and more successful player. However, nothing can change the admiration I have for Ronaldo as my idol. You can have a favorite player without having to elevate them above others or hate their rivals

[@v6xz]

Ronaldo the goat

[@ShaheerNawaz-s2h]

​@@v6xz yeah Ronaldo is the GOAT❤ ⚽️

[@latravissparrow4204]

Goat of wht?! 😂🫢

[@sussymaster-k8d]

@@latravissparrow4204 penalty

[@TheAriznPremium]

federer nadal and ronaldo messi in the same era is crazy

[@lukkabadel4971]

đoković

[@TheAriznPremium]

​@@lukkabadel4971 federe, nadal and dokovic is like ronaldo messi and neymar 1st 2nd and a cringe third

[@lukkabadel4971]

@@TheAriznPremium hahahaha u dont watch tennis, he is the goat, the trophies, statistics and looks show novak

[@TheAriznPremium]

@@lukkabadel4971 his behaviour is the most cringe by a long shot

[@TheAriznPremium]

like neymar

[@kreiker8902]

Just for a moment, imagine Messi and Ronaldo being on the same team. Ronaldo as the striker, Messi in a more "find the space" role. I think they would have ruled any league they were in. Would have humiliated the best defenses anyone had to offer. Except Puyol, that man would have put his face in front of a power shot from Ronaldo.

[@omother6950]

What u on about puyol, di Maria made him play twister 😂😂😂

[@Bampiss]

Psg blew the shot. The only team in my mind that can combine both of em. But i guess mbappe had a say in that….

[@atuka9759]

Messi ruled the league without Ronaldo.

[@fpsgod05]

Nah bro just imagine this, Cristiano on the left, R9 upfront, Pele below him, Messi on the right, Maradona, Cryuff and Zidane at the middle and Maldini, Beckenbaur and Nesta as defenders with Buffon or Casillas as the keeper,

[@raider1297]

@@fpsgod05 You'd get scored on 50 times a game and wouldn't score nearly as much as you think, but well...casuals always think attacking players are all that matters and that tactics are a myth or something

[@soullbtw]

I love how so many of the clips he puts are clips from people in the stadium recording it, gives such a more nostalgic feeling.

[@jorgeherrera1074]

I don't think I've heard a single defender say they rather be stuck with marking Messi than Cristiano.

[@ozukabeats2456]

Oh no one cares man

[@fatehshoaib9423]

video flew right over your head

[@cellsentinel239]

honestly this is kinda valid

[@fatehshoaib9423]

@@cellsentinel239 definitely not valid

[@cellsentinel239]

@@fatehshoaib9423 sure ok whatever you say

[@nathanhosea489]

Messi is easily the better player and has always been. Better playmaker, dribbler, passer, arguably even scorer if we look at the advanced statistics. Also better teammate and less selfish. However, the amount of disrespect towards Ronaldo (which is exacerbated by how he acts nowadays) is crazy. People saying "it was never a debate" etc. People forget very quickly that Ronaldo only became a pure goalscorer in his last 3 years in Madrid. And that is thanks to his chronic knee injury which made him change his dribbling and freekick style. Before that...he was something else entirely

[@Way_Of_The_Light]

Messi should be compared to Modric or Ozil not Ronaldo. Ronaldo and Messi fulfill different needs so you can’t say that Messi is better player.

[@ally4131]

@@Way_Of_The_Light You can if you have eyes. Messi performs on par if not better for the role of Ronaldo and ozil simultaneously.

[@Way_Of_The_Light]

@@ally4131 Messi can’t be an areal threat. He definitely can’t replace Ronaldo’s exact role.

[@wiilli4471]

@@ally4131 lmfao you are so dumb

[@minnal0234]

@@Way_Of_The_Light What a silly arguement?

[@BobMarley-ok5cu]

imagine getting to tell your kids and grandkids that you got to witness these two at the same time, going head to head on a weekly basis. we really had it good.

[@messithegod3440]

People forget that we actually lived in the world where Messi and Ronaldo played vs each other in a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL. Messi not only won it but scored it surprises me how little ppl speak on this ..?

[@daredevil6145]

and in SEMIS, they again played each other -- Messi scored two and won One of his best goals there

[@messithegod3440]

@@daredevil6145 right he completely owned Madrid that night

[@dpw0499]

that was years before they were all timers

[@daredevil6145]

@@dpw0499 Didnt people say Ronaldo was Great at 2008 or even 2011 when Messi had 3 Ballom dors already? Messi won against Ronaldo in UCL 2 times and scored 3 goals in total. So yeah.

[@messithegod3440]

@ it happened.That’s part of their history just like the classicos Ronaldo won over Messi. Ronaldo had just won the Balon D’or and Messi was just about to for 4 years straight I would even say that’s where the real rivalry started.

[@AndyFardly-vv2by]

Messi is Goku and Ronaldo is Vegeta.That's it.

[@disagol]

Yep, the villain who thinks he is the strongest but actually reality shows the other is better and what is even greater is that the best does not care about it.

[@ABCAizen]

@@disagol whos the villain? somebody has to be Frieza

[@sergioduran3410]

@@ABCAizenZlatan

[@NikkoNikko98]

@@ABCAizenMourihno 🤣

[@sergiogonzalez973]

Other way around 😂 vegeta was born with talent, Messi was born with talent, goku worked hard to get where he’s at, Ronaldo worked hard to get where he’s at. Get it? Same way with Jordan and Lebron Jordan had to work hard like Ronaldo meanwhile Lebron was talented since a kid like Messi.

[@samrockwell940]

I wish they play atleast once match in the same team before retiring

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

That’s just unfair on the other teams defenders they need to at least have a chance😂

[@omarsabih]

What paradox?

[@Sami-rp1nh]

he really has no idea what a paradox is lmao

[@edotensei496]

wallahi same question I've watched the whole video trying to understand the paradox thing 😂

[@wiisportsbaseball]

he even dropped a definition just to never mention the paradox thing😭😭

[@doctorsam5771]

It's hilarious to see that all these guys know that Messi is way better than Ronaldo in every aspect but have to play this "two GOATs" and fence sitting gimmick to avoid backlash from Ronaldo fanboys 😂

[@sando_stando]

I think what he's trying to say is it's not as much of a rivalry as it is two great but very different players that compliment each other, marking an era of football, so he's trying to highlight them together instead of individually

[@anonanon-mx5wg]

why do people feel the need to shit on messi/ronaldo

[@yohannes9958]

It’s just 10 year olds that do that

[@danielmcgrath680]

Theyre on both sides but its mostly the Ronaldo stans that get heated tbh. Think its down to them being a lot younger and in their adolescence get mad when they lose things, like a 'goat debate'. Theres actually a Ronaldo fan replying to all Messi related comments on this video. Its childish, but theyre children

[@dsavage6618]

@@danielmcgrath680 Exactly lmao

[@jakestar121]

@@danielmcgrath680nah the Messi supporters can get pretty riled up too lmfao

[@yohannes9958]

@@danielmcgrath680 it’s not just cr7 fans also Messi fans. Both fanbase are toxic

[@bartek_ewertowski]

I'm lucky that I got to see Messi play live in the UCL during his prime. Never got to see Ronaldo live unfortunately, but both are incredible players.

[@RusselSprout]

Messi is in his own category all together with Ronaldo one beneath him then the other greats together in a third tier.. all three tiers above world class

[@JamesKing21]

Great video - its crazy to think that the two best players of all time played so closely to eachother - head to head for so many years.

[@Great675]

Messi is better than Ronaldo in everything. Scoring, creating chances, dribbling, passing, playmaking, free kicks, reading and understanding the game, finishing in everything. There never was any debate Messi was always and is always better

[@2closeforcomf0rtt]

You forgot to mention how much Messis traditional systems with Pep and Scaloni made him better than he would be without these systems but since you do not watch football and dont understand tactical prowess’es you know nothing about the beautiful game.

[@luka.m36]

​@@2closeforcomf0rtt, yeah, then why Cristiano didn't do this?? Oh yeah, becose he is the most selfish football player ever, and he cares just for himself... And this is not football, football is a team sport... That's why Cristiano never come close to wining a world cup...without biggest trophie in football you Can't ever be even top 3

[@pletsas6243]

@@2closeforcomf0rtt The tactics are the reason he has scored the freakiest solo goals in the history of the sport, and can beat all his opponents effortlessly lmao. Guess Sir Alex, Zidane etc are all clueless, and have no tactical systems.

[@aniruddhkanak679]

Lol Ronaldo has most records in history also has dominated everywhere unlike who is a one club wonder psg flop

[@umarsavage4163]

@aniruddhkanak679 ronaldo doesn't have more records than messi and it's not even close trust me so I'm guessing your source is your confidence.. Ronaldo has never won trophy in a club that wasn't the best on the land.. Guy played man u best in England at the time,, Madrid best in Europe,, juve best in Italy,, and just like messi who was expected to win uefa with psg they both ended up getting ko in round of 16 for both psg and juve and only managed to win leagues both teams had already been winning.. you people make is sound like ronaldo wins leagues and uefa with mid table teams,, pure ignorance.. Al nassr were 2nd when he got there 2 years ago guess what they're still 2nd

[@NoMouthNoScream]

I feel like the debate was ruined when Ronaldo said that Messi winning 8th Ballon D'or lost all credit for the award. As if the same people didn't give him 5. Ying and Yang comparison really works here, one has self centered ego, another world centered ego

[@qal4real372]

im honestly so baffled how this comparison even came about, i believe it was the casuals, media hype and Barca x madrid rivalry that forced a debate that didn't even exist. their footballing abilities are galaxies or even universes apart. its honestly so disrespectful to both of their legacies that they were even compared in the first place. you could make a case until about 2010 but apart from that its not even close

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

Ronaldo vs Messi was one of the main marketing points building up to the UCL final in 2009. Ronaldo was the previous best player in the world and Messi was on the up making a case for himself. Then Ronaldo moved to Madrid and the idea of a rivalry stuck.

[@TREPIIID]

2010... When both hadn't peaked yet? Indian Messi fans are like climate change deniers.

[@qal4real372]

@@TREPIIID indian?

[@drisskettani1692]

Galaxies seriously are u drunk

[@qal4real372]

@@drisskettani1692 just watch a single game from both of them. there is nothing to compare

[@alchemist6819]

Forced debate by media, there is no paradox. Messi has always been better. Compare their abilities and their plays side by side, it's pretty clear that Messi is the best

[@z1elyr]

Messi has NOT always been better. You're completely biased. In my opinion he is greater than Ronaldo but not by very far. 1. Messi is one of the most talented football players of all time, while Ronaldo has a phenomenal work rate and is one of the most skilled football players of all time. 2. Messi has always been a brilliant dribbler and playmaker, while Ronaldo has always been a brilliant finisher and set pieces. 3. Messi scored 91 goals in a single calendar year while he was mainly playing as a centre-forward and having great competition. Ronaldo scored 60+ goals in four consecutive calendar years while having great competition. 4. Messi helped his team reach the 2021 Copa America final and the 2014 and 2022 World Cup finals, while Ronaldo helped his team reach the 2016 European Championship final though never reaching a World Cup final, mainly due to his team and coach holding him back. 5. Both are great at set pieces, however I would argue that Ronaldo is greater than Messi in penalties and free-kicks. Their record are very clsoe (Messi - 66, Ronaldo - 64) however Ronaldo has scored several free-kicks farther away than Messi's. 6. Both had very successful careers. In club football, Ronaldo is greater. In international football, Messi is greater. In awards, it is somewhat close in my opinion however Messi is greater. 7. Both are one of the most consistent football players of all time, however I think Ronaldo is far more consistent. Comparing their skills (some of them are very close): Dribbling - Messi First Touch - Messi Short Passing - Messi Long Passing - Messi Through Balls - Messi Finishing - Ronaldo (somewhat close) Power Shots - Ronaldo Crossing - Messi Positioning - Messi (close) Decision-Making - Messi (close) Stamina - Ronaldo Speed and Agility - Ronaldo Strength - Ronaldo Balance - Messi (close IMO, but Messi has a lower center of gravity since he's shorter so i think he takes it here) Composure - Ronaldo Leadership - Ronaldo Flair - Ronaldo (close, but Ronaldo takes it here. Mf also scored a bicycle kick while being nearly 40 years old.) Skills - Ronaldo I don't expect you to read all of this but both of them are simply inhuman. Messi has not always been better than Ronaldo, and Ronaldo has not always been better than Messi.

[@RiddleRealm236]

brother, i don't want to sound bad, but ronaldo won every single individual and team trophy imaginable and attainable in 2008-09 season, every single trophy was his, although i am not saying messi is bad, but people need to look at the so-called "GOAT Debate" in this way, where they respect and love both players, instead of loving only 1, while making the other feel so bad they might wanna commit suicide, same for messi fans, and for ronaldo fans. doesn't matter or change who you prefer, opinion is subjective, anyone has an OPINION towards 1 player, thinking he's better, and there's nothing wrong with that, but then don't hate the other, i admire ronaldo for his work ethic and drive, but if you ask me who's better, i can't say 1 out of the 2, i will say both, just like jose mourinho said, it's unfair to compare them, they're so different to each other, that it's not fair at all to compare them on any basis, maybe you can compare them on 2 - 3 common basis, but that's about it. hope you understand and learn to respect and love both, cheers!

[@alchemist6819]

@@RiddleRealm236 I honestly don't care man, besides I don't like Ronaldo for his narcissistic tendencies and he was also accused of rape. I can't respect someone like that.

[@RiddleRealm236]

@@alchemist6819 i accuse you of rape, without any proof and stuff, and i will take you to court right now, does that sound plausible to you smart guy? just accusing someone of something doesn't imply that they have done such thing bruh

[@rainyeyesparty]

Anyone with eyes can see Messi is far better, not saying Cristiano is bad, every player looks average when compared to Messi

[@TheeIdol]

People disrespect Ronaldo and say he never was close. Hes not the top 5. Call R9 the real Ronaldo as if Cristiano is the fake one. I hate it. Ronaldo definitely the best to ever do it

[@TREPIIID]

I agree, and Messi being so good solidifies Ronaldo's greatness. You can't go wrong with picking either though. Immature babies will claim to be "objective" when claiming Messi is better whilst forming arguments that are ripe with children with theories like "the eye test" which I still have no idea what that entails other than being a fancy way to describe a subjective viewpoint. Ronaldo may be my pick for the goat due to his abilities as an athlete and ability to have aspects of 5 different players from his aerial ability to his off-the-ball movement but at the end of the day I'm just happy I got to see the two best to ever do it at the same time.

[@ManishImsong]

Best to ever do it? What? WC Knock out stage goal 😂

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

Zidane is better than CR7. Messi is the best to play the game.

[@Xaiph]

​@@CristanioPeweyyyMessi is the best he showed us when he went to PSG and scored 11 goals in 34 matches

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

@@Xaiph Purposely ignoring assists. He had more g/a than games lol.

[@josipmarincic3847]

Messi is clear, by far clear. Ronaldo is the greatest striker and maybe goalscorer of all time, but Messi is an alien.

[@denisonunglaub]

finally a well written text on the two goats

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

Messi is my only footballing goat. No others.

[@Billnam691]

It's so good to hear what you have put together. The Ying and Yang concept was excellent to use to describe both of these players, I often grow tired of the back and forth videos, and in the comments section, the debates become acidic at times and shows the darkest side of the Internet, and the drive to verbally assault each other, i realize that most of the people who use the platform to make comments they would never say face to face, so I appreciate the video showing both players influence on the beautiful game is what is important, and the lovers of the game will appreciate your video,

[@Casual-Netizen]

45 trophies vs 34 trophies 8 Ballons d'or vs 5 Ballons d'or 300+ MOTM vs 100+ MOTM

[@SUBBU-SWAMI]

@@captainfalconmain6576 chill fam...you can respect your fav player while you respect the other players also no need to drag someone down

[@SUBBU-SWAMI]

@@captainfalconmain6576 im talking about the way you worte PENALDO ....i myself agree messi is better than ronaldo but that doesnt mean you have to insult ronaldo ..i mean he is among the top and will one of the greatest

[@marcinsadowski7230]

Men u comparing balloon d'Or as if it's a valid reward. Do u have brain damage?

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

​@@SUBBU-SWAMIAnd at the end of the day it's just opinions based on what we have all watched in our lifetimes. My experience watching verifies to me Ronaldo is greater than Messi. Messi is fantastic but to me Ronaldo is the guy I want on my team down by a goal..

[@TheDestroyer777]

People are not thinking logically! I love Ronaldo too, but he is nowhere near Messi s football iq,achievements,skill,importance on the pitch. Ronaldo is a marketable player and has a ton of charisma off the pitch, he donates to charities, promotes health and is the face of hardwork, a true icon indeed, but on the pitch only one in the history of all football is king and that is undeniably Messi!

[@megumii9340]

i dont get it why people yet still make fun of messi (I am not saying that people dont make fun of ronaldo) Messi always get made fun of because of his height and his abs like wth is this respect messi. the same goes for ronaldo people make fun of ronaldo because he scores tap in and penaltys like thats the point you have to score. and now i am not trying to make beef in the replies

[@Ill.righteous31]

The difference is that cr5 fanboys make fun of Messi with things that have nothing to do with football while Messi fans make fun of football related things, ronaldo fans know they have nothing on Messi when it comes to football and that is why they use abs and ig followers to make a claim of their goat 😂

[@resikin]

@@Ill.righteous31 LOL no. We make fun of Messi for being the Ghost of Paris once he left Barca missing a pen against Madrid and ghosting against Bayern when it mattered most while Ronaldo carried Madrid, United, and Juve xD

[@Ill.righteous31]

@@resikin if we start listing moments when pendu ghosted we would write a book about it, he was literally benched by shlong Ramos while Messi was leading his country to a world cup, pendu also missed a penalty in his first ucl final and had his teammates save him just like how bale saved him by winning him 2 cl

[@1h186]

Great video btw. I just wanna say bale doesn’t get enough credit for Real Madrids success. Messi and Ronaldo debate has been over for me since 2011 I’ve always thought messi was better not saying Ronaldo isn’t close cause I do think he’s 2 guy is honestly the hardest working athlete beside bron. Messi is just on another level from every one for me like it’s genuinely unexplainable he just so graceful on the ball and his selflessness is like no other leader in sports. also feel he out does Ronaldo when they play each other in life or death games like the cl semi for example. Both are legendary but messi is number 1 for me

[@luchboxer]

What a great video! As an argentinian myself of course I prefer Messi for ovbious reasons, but I can't deny Ronaldo's talent and magnitude to this sport. Growing up as a teenager watching them play every weekend was something I truly treasure now as I am older, it was an unique time for football and we all enjoyed it so much that only now we are being conscious of what we witnessed. And even if I prefer Messi it's sad for me that Cristiano didn't won more trophies with his national team, he really deserved more, but even if he didn't no one can deny he's a legend.

[@ronin9296]

It was never a contest. Messi was already considered the best in history at 24 and won 4 consecutive ballon dors before his 2013 injury. That injury allowed cristiano to win his second ballon dor and he was even in tears while receiving the it. He knew very well Messi’s level of dominance in Europe including el Classico matches in direct face off and realised he had no chance of winning any further if Messi had not got injured. He in fact never won again once he left Real Madrid showcasing the influence Florentino perez and Real Madrid teammates had on his success

[@2closeforcomf0rtt]

ronaldo literally got injured in 2014 forcing him to change his playing style which invalidates that point completely since according to your logic before that CR7 injury he would have only a year or so to match Messi or whatever. Also just like how you cherrypicked that for Ronaldo. Messi with an entire superteam flopped at PSG and proved that without Scaloni and Barcelona’s traditionals systems he was just a glorified Djemba Djemba. Also Ronaldo won a UCL scoring in the 2008 final with Man UTD before joining Madrid which invalidates that point as well.

[@ronin9296]

@@2closeforcomf0rtt Messi won ballon d'ors from 2009 till 2012 consecutive years. While penaldo was at Madrid , he didn't win shit until luka Modric, Toni Kroos and bale arrived in 2013. Lol talk about logic, Messi literally carried Argentina on his own to two World Cup finals in 2014 and 2022 there's videos of him assisting against Netherlands and Croatia and being involved in all three goals against France. No need to even talk about copa America finals, how many times he took Argentina to the copa America finals with a team lacking midfield quality. Now he's won World Cup and two copa America because the young players know how to give their life for their captain who can decide the match with a single pass. You've got to be an idiot talking nonsense about him while Madrid keeps on winning long after penaldo left

[@Miuranger1]

He had the team that 3 Peated international tournaments 😂😂 we saw how Messi couldn't even win 2 UCL despite having a superteam with Suarez and Neymar btw. Both top 5 player of the generation.

[@pablobuquet2534]

​@@2closeforcomf0rttthat united side is underrated af

[@pablobuquet2534]

​@@Miuranger1it doesnt matter

[@magellan3110]

I feel like Messi is Yang and Ronaldo is Yin, especially with Ronaldo's general portrayal as the "villain". Also with how Yang is "light" and Yin is "darkness"... Messi is almost always positive and mostly avoids controversies, the same can't be same for Cristiano. And regarding charisma, just look at the way Argentina players treat Messi and compare it to how Portugal players treat Cristiano. Messi is a proper leader.

[@ehzardo]

that’s another way of looking at it for sure

[@Quipie]

? portugal players treat cristiano ronaldo perfectly, you’re acting like argentina were always like this lmfao, where was messi’s leadership in copa america final 2007, 2014, 2015 & 2016?

[@vedaacharya9807]

@@Quipie they reached finals of 2014 15 16. Isn't that an achievement in itself? How many finals have portugal played all combined?😂😂

[@vedaacharya9807]

@@Quipie and yeah portugal players are all pis**d of at all the antics and tantrums ronaldo does just to be focal point in media and just force on the debate. Even his own teammates want him to hangup his boots. Portugal has golden generation waiting to conquer the world but ronaldo sadly doesn't fits in. It's not he is not good it's all about age and fading attributes he had to offer for his game and team.

[@Quipie]

@@vedaacharya9807reached the finals but lost them all, losing 3 consecutive finals isn’t an accomplishment, why are you acting like it is? 🤷‍♂️

[@Niimerium]

The comment section is filled with typical fanboys of both sides instead of rational ones ☠️ Edit: Great video by the way. I like how you framed it as a Paradox

[@ehzardo]

yep unfortunately you’re right 😭😭 thanks for the positive feedback though, glad you enjoyed it man 🙏

[@Niimerium]

@ehzardo This is how it is always going to be unfortunately 😂 playerFC arguing and hating over one another. Can't wait for your next video man!

[@yvl444]

Messi fans are rational because they support a fact, on the other hand ronaldo kids deny a fact.

[@Niimerium]

@@yvl444 That is literally not the case with either one of the fanbase or any of the player specific fans. Carry on.

[@goatdebater]

@@yvl444 Messi is not near Pele, so they also support a position that’s incorrect

[@jkepler1571]

Outstanding video! God damn! Well done! I never understood the need of some people to declare one better than the other. It never made sense to me. All of us watching football for the past fifteen, twenty, twenty-five years were lucky to live in this era. Ronaldo showed his greatness first, being older. Messi appeared shortly after that. They gave us beautiful football...and don't forget it's a team sport. And don't forget the greats on other teams. The argument was stupid, it was always stupid. How can you watch football, watch Madrid's three-in-a-row Champions League titles and not understand Ronaldo's greatness, his otherworldly ability to score goals at any moment, from seemingly anywhere? Remember he was not alone on that team. How can you watch football, watch the alien telepathy of Guardiola's Barcelona, seemingly reading each other's minds, see Messi make elite defenders look like amateurs, and not understand Messi's greatness? He also had ten teammates. And both, older than 35 years, are STILL better than, what?, at least 50% of the professionals now playing? I got to see this. I count myself lucky. I'm a Barca fan, from before Messi was in the first team, but I count myself lucky to have been alive during their prime years. Who was better? Who is the GOAT? Who the fuck cares? The football was epic. It was glorious. It was beautiful. It was art in motion, for twelve or thirteen years. I got to see it. That's all I care about.

[@needfoolthings]

The debaters are fanboys. He who knows who's better simply knows.

[@ModernFootball866]

Exactly. Everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows who is better. There is a reason why there is a consensus among coaches that he is the best of his generation.

[@brohdez8857]

And he’s not gonna stop scoring almost at 900 goals at 40 years old

[@hannesdewinter1458]

@@brohdez8857 Lol

[@galactica604]

everyone knows who's the goat 🇵🇹

[@mohammadismailismail921]

​@@galactica604another fanboy

[@joetarowjoestar7124]

I'm a Ronaldo fan, but I'm well aware that out of the 2, Messi is the better player, nevertheless I'll still prefer Ronaldo, not Because he is better but it's more of a matter of preference

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

Ronaldo's better against better competition. More clutch. Individually dominant. That's what you mean. And I'm a Messi fan.

[@lionelmessithegoatLM10]

@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 more clutch? When messi has scored more in knockout and finals

[@lionelmessithegoatLM10]

@@KingAdjust-h7b cherry picked stats much? Messi is the only player to win 2 wc golden ball which is alone>>>>>>>>>>>>all ronaldo's achievement

[@Xaiph]

Yes. Ur right messi also dominated new leagues. He went to ligue and scored 60 goals in his debut oh sorry 6 goals

[@ahaan.manav.6662]

@@Xaiph That season he had more GA than cr7 btw😂

[@MichaelParks-h8d]

Messi! Not as close as people think. Pele is probably the only player who is on the same level. A lot of people don't realize just how small differences, skill level, playing styles are at the top leagues. La Liga, Premier League, and Bundesliga. Because of the shear amount of top tier clubs and their accompanying development leagues. The difference from, say: the back end of the roster on small clubs and up to the the 10-15th best player is seriously very small, separation wise. It only truly starts to put distance in the top 15ish and higher. That increases even more when you get to players such as: Beckham, Rooney, Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Neymar, Gerard Muller, and Thomas Muller, and (Brazilian) Ronaldo, ECT .... But Pele, Ronaldo, and Messi are significantly better than all of those listed and similar players. But here's the thing there is another skill gap like those guys versus the rest of the field The top 15 versus all the guys lower. And one more, Lionel Messi!

[@jassx25]

For me Messi is the greatest of all time but i have my outmost respect for Ronaldo and his discipline as well as mentality and that's the main reason people idolize him more but on the other hand messi for me will remain the reason i fell in love with this sport the greatest of all time 🐐

[@winglessmecha]

Messi can make any team better and badass. Ronaldo needs others to pass him the ball to score a goal. Anybody can score a goal but nobody can do what Messi can do MESSI IS THE GOAT 🔥

[@winglessmecha]

@@r1ckyrusso Mauricio Pochettino is a trashy coach. Blame him and his stupid tactics

[@arep1030]

You clearly never saw the young manchester united version of ronaldo

[@winglessmecha]

@@arep1030 I saw him and was never impressed

[@arep1030]

@@winglessmecha Yeah sure, anyone who actually grew up watching both of them since their early days would know that ronaldo can do everything messi does but messi can't do what ronaldo does. Have you ever saw messi scored a bicycle kick like ronaldo did against juventus? The towering header against mu? Goal of the year award powerful shot from half against porto? That impossible free kick against arsenal? In recent years, sure, messi proved to have better vision, dribbling and football iq, but the young balon dor winning ronaldo in mu isn't that far off from prime messi. Sure messi won the world cup, but his squad is more balanced, and his teammates, like di maria and martinez performed exceptionally well in the finals. Ronaldo plays for portugal which never won anything in football before he came. I respect messi as a player, but only a guy who just watched football yesterday would say ronaldo needs others to pass him the ball to score a goal when it was proven he can score bundles of goals playing for any side, creating chances for himself while serving others. Something messi failed to do at psg. Even his assists rate isn't great too back then

[@winglessmecha]

@@arep1030 8 balloon d'ors... that's not an easy record. If Ronaldo can do what Messi can do where are his 8 balloon d'ors?

[@md.sharibzeyad9731]

There was no rivalry. It became clear in 2012 itself. A mere machine cannot rival a demigod. Ronaldo is a prolific goalscorer with a never-give-up worth ethic but Messi is something out of this world.

[@NNoitraa]

Then what happened in 2014-16-17-18? 😂 And what about 2019 in which Barcelona lost 4-0 to Liverpool and messi ghosted? When both were in their prime, Ronaldo dominated the competition.

[@vb2388]

Messi also dominated UCL from 2009 to 2015.. winning 3 UCLs to CR7’s 0 🤷🏻‍♂️ Also, When Messi (2009-2013) was doing cr7’s job of goalpoaching.. - He won 4 Ballon d’Ors in a row - He was the UCL Top Scorer for 4 years in a row - He won 3 Golden Boots in that span - He won 3 Picchichis (Laliga Top Scorer) in that span - He scored 91 goals in a calendar year (Most in History) - He assisted 36 goals in a calendar year (Most in History) - He scored in all UCL finals in that span - In 2009 UCL campaign, He scored in RO16 against Lyon, a brace and an assist against Bayern in QF, a decisive assist against Chelsea in SF and a header against United in the final - In 2011 UCL campaign, He scored a brace against Arsenal in RO16, He scored in QF against Shaktar, He scored one of his best goals of his career against Real Madrid in the Semis and also scored from OTB against Van Der Sar in the UCL final Etc etc.. Its easy being a goal poacher….Messi thrived in it and did a better job than cr7.. Try being a goal poacher, playmaker and dribbler at the same time….cr7 wished he played like Messi 😂

[@NNoitraa]

@@vb2388 Nice try cherry picking the years 2009 (Ronaldo won in 2008) and 2015 (Ronaldo would win in 2016), however Ronaldo won CL in 2014 so get your facts straight. Messi hasn't won a Champions League since 2015, which means he never won a Champions league while both he and Ronaldo were at their primes.

[@TREPIIID]

​@vb2388 Even with your cherry-picked trimeframe... Ronaldo won 1 UCL in 2014, not 0... Don't even bother editing it again because I screenshotted it. Doesn't do your argument any favours that you can't count to 1. Numeracy isn't for everyone 😂😂

[@Hyperzan]

Where is cr7 from 2019 to 2022 when messi won 3 international tournament as best player something cr7 never done and 3 ballondor?😂😂

[@jozc4273]

Ive seen R9s regen in CR7. Then he was regened in mbappe. Weve seen guys like that before. Guys like Messi dont just pop out in the next generation. I do think that both messi and Ronaldo are the best in history. Maradona and pele have been outshined by how long both these titans have done it and how consistent they've been. Football will never be as enjoyable as it was back then.

[@goatdebater]

@@jozc4273 Pele clear of everyone you just mentioned. His only flaw was the fact he played in an era much less athletically gifted than today and that’s not even a personal shortcoming. He was extremely technically gifted, and laid the foundations for football as we know it today. He was basically MJ playing in Bill Russell’s era

[@kiran-thetributechannel]

CR7 + Mbappe = R9

[@poptraxx418]

Cr7 is different from mbappe and r9

[@technica6338]

CR7 heading, playmaking, weak foot, skills, dribbling, free kicks, penalties, defending, are all better than R9s, lmfao stop it

[@kiran-thetributechannel]

@@technica6338 weak foot ? Skills ? DRIBBLING ? Cr7 sucks at free kicks

[@almoraldeme8664]

Pele said messi is the goat. Ronaldo fans are now saying it's a paradox

[@AlinFlair]

There was never a true comparison. Just media. Messi is levels higher.

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

What’s with these fans saying the media hyped Ronaldo up? The media has always favored Messi so ytf would they try to put cr7 on a pedestal if they are constantly criticizing him even when he plays good, let’s not forget when cr7 went from 3 ballon d’ors down to tying with Messi 5, cr7 in his prime is the greatest player in history

[@Ajayharrysimon]

@@strikerfc-gv7pc greatest player in history would win world cup 🙄. Greatest player would give assist as good as he is scoring goals. Defo not ronaldo

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

@@Ajayharrysimon with that logic Pele>>>> any other player

[@monsterrrrgaming]

@@Ajayharrysimon before messi won the world cup, yall said that you don't need a world cup to be the GOAT but now all of a sudden, when messi has won it, yall can say that you should definetly win the world cup to be the GOAT. And I'm on messi's side, I can agree that messi is the GOAT, but to say that it was never a debate, and the media pushed it, is simply wrong, ronaldo always was competitive with messi.

[@kushalmongar9318]

@@monsterrrrgaming Nope. The moment Messi won a sextuple with Barcelona we knew that he was gonna be the GOAT...

[@SusedskaHliadka]

Ronaldo is the guy who thinks it's him. Messi is him.

[@Leonskenneddy99]

What lol messi could never come close to ronaldo’s aura

[@ItsShahed17]

@@Leonskenneddy99 Pendu's penalty aura will never surpass Messi's WC aura. There's a reason why most managers and top players rate him higher than Penaldo. Even Penaldo's hardest opponent Ashley Cole described Messi to be a harder opponent. Sucks to Suck Penaldoboy.

[@Leonskenneddy99]

@@ItsShahed17 what are you waffling about mate lmao Umtiti won a world cup so by ur logic he’s better than maldini yeah? Average pessiboy banana iq 💀cristiano absolutely dominated 3 of the top 4 leagues in the world a one club wonder is not even in the Goat conversation so pipe down lil pessi fangirl

[@MatiasDypala]

@@Leonskenneddy99 that means you are gay right? im not saying to be gay is bad, but i think that most Ronaldo fans fell in love for his "Masculinity".

[@FootballCDM14]

​@@Leonskenneddy99 bro said AURA in football debate 💀🤣🫵🧠

[@4M1IR]

it aint even close dawg its messi

[@UserTheLion7722]

It's messi but it's way closer thn what people nowadays try to make it out to be

[@leandersantos2477]

This is a brain dead take He literally has multiple hat tricks in the World Cup and UCL just to keep his team FROM elimination

[@UserTheLion7722]

@captainfalconmain6576 he has 4 ucl final goals what do u mean not even in the ucl

[@dt3688]

@@captainfalconmain6576bro what happened to football fans not perform in the ucl while having every record in the ucl 💀

[@rajanlimbu9978]

Nope Not Agreed

[@05kenny05]

everything about them is opposite, here are some of the things that weren't pointed out: ronaldo refuses to get tatoos, messi is covered in them ronaldo is extremely socially confident, messi is socially awkward ronaldo is a playboy, messi has been with one girl ronaldo is right footed, messi is left footed

[@truebacca221]

Messi and Ronaldo, can't believe it. It feels like it was just yesterday both GOATs dominating every trophy, competitions, records. Truly a treat watching both play, for 2 monster-like no alien-like talents to emerge from the same era is nothing short of a miracle. Truly both are one of a kind, thankyou Ronaldo and Messi it was an honour watching you guys play.

[@EPmessi9800]

The deep truth is that Messi is clear 😂

[@korganrocks3995]

There's no paradox: Rivalries sell, so the sports media hyped up the only player putting up similar numbers to Messi and ignored the fact that Messi is clearly superior at everything else. Casual fans and kids fell for it, and since Ronaldo is a couple of years older plenty of people had time to become die-hard Ronaldo fans before Messi came along, and stubbornly stuck with their guy despite the evidence.

[@korganrocks3995]

@@captainfalconmain6576 If you know something about football and actually watch both of them play, yeah. If you just look at goals scored you could be tricked into thinking it's really close.

[@ffsAD]

It’s so easy to tell when someone hasn’t watched the video.

[@korganrocks3995]

@@ffsAD Well yeah, why would I when I already know the answer?

[@gustavopaniza9964]

Lame take

[@korganrocks3995]

@@gustavopaniza9964 Of course; the truth is usually more boring than fiction.

[@elijahknox4421]

I don't think I'll ever fully understand what possesses people to think Ronaldo is anywhere near Messi's level. Even in this video the guy is talking about their head to head matches when Messi gets a goal and assist in practically every match and Ronaldo only scored in 1 or 2 and they have to say it's close between them. It's not close, Messi is better in every way and you can only compare other generational greats like Maradona or R9 to him and even then it's a stretch, especially if you include longevity

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

Bro has 0 ball knowledge, have you seen cr7 in his prime?

[@Quipie]

yet cristiano has won more finals against messi 🤷‍♂️

[@dsavage6618]

@@Quipie Yet Messi Has more Wins in the UCL head to Head against Ronaldo Has more Wins against Ronaldo (16) Than Ronaldo has against Messi (11) Has more Goals than Ronaldo Head to Head (22>21) More Assist (12> 1) More MOTM More G/A More Hattricks More Free kicks More Dribbles More BCC More Key passes More Through Balls And a Better Match average Rating (8.19>>> 7.21) So try again 😉

[@Quipie]

⁠​⁠@@dsavage6618please bring a trustable source for “more bcc, more key passes, more through balls”

[@nathanhosea489]

Ronaldo scored like 10 goals against Barca during his time with Madrid lol. Someone wasn't alive for that

[@roderickcaesar3099]

Bro you dropping some good content keep it up im here before your first million subscribers

[@singzMcGee]

Like your narrating style and pacing, it's cool! Awesome video.

[@SamRichardson1990]

The Debate was Over 2 years ago . 8 Finals. 6 Copa Finals 2 Won,4 Lost. 2 World Cup Finals 1 Won, Another Lost in Luck.

[@dungton6066]

There’s nothing wrong with having two GOAT. Someone being good at something doesn’t mean another wouldn’t be good at it aswell.

[@arno9233]

You know what the abbreviation stands for😂

[@mikelbaningo6407]

It's definitely not a rivalry lol messi clear of Ronaldo in eye test and stats

[@strikerfc-gv7pc]

2008 cr7>>> over prime Messi and 2008 wasn’t even Ronaldo’s prime 😂

[@jamesbowenyoutube]

@@strikerfc-gv7pc Its deep when you have to reply to every single comment trying to convince people Ronaldo is better. Look around bro, Its over. Messi won the debate. Let it go.

[@Itz_your_boy_42]

When it comes to eye test I think Ronaldo is better because ITS MY OPINION.

[@aldo1871]

@@jamesbowenyoutubeMessi is nothing but controversial

[@runthatback323]

Even messi disagree with your opinion bro , we know messi is better but messi dont put anyone in his class except ronaldo , he stated that in a few interview

[@Se7enTv07]

Good job man,on your videos!!!you will be big soon!good luck!

[@gregd806]

They play Different positions and do similar but differnet things on the field, ngl... So. Idk if you can directly compare them... They are very chill together, ngl. Love em both.

[@prajwalks9591]

Such a well made video 💯✌️

[@kwazilucas]

I don't care what nobody says. Ronaldo is the best footballer of all times. Messi can win all the world cups or Ballon D Ors, but Ronaldo will always be the GOAT for me. He's done so much for his country and for the teams he's played for.

[@s.k7770]

Tbh it’s not even a question of who is better. Messi clears Ronaldo by a large margin. No one would argue that in open play Messi is better than Ronaldo in regards to passing and keeping the ball. He creates way more chances and can be great deep in the midfield while Ronaldo is primarily just a goalscorer. Ronaldo fans will argue Ronaldo is a more complete goal scorer and therefor is better, only Messi at his peak scored more goals than Ronaldo at his peak. Messi was leading La liga in goals and assists while both players were in the league in their primes. It’s not even a debate , that’s with out even mentioning the World Cup

[@TREPIIID]

Messi has never played as a holding midfielder. Reply to confirm you're a clown.

[@apostle9209]

@@TREPIIID pendu fan butthurt

[@brohdez8857]

Just by you saying Ronaldo is a just a goalscorer, ik you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you watched him in 2002-2014 you know Ronaldo was a left mid to right mid who created chances and assists more often. It wasn’t till his injury in 2014 that he had to switch his position. And he completely dominated that role

[@s.k7770]

@@brohdez8857 Yes Ronaldo at Manchester United was electric but he still wasn’t a facilitator anywhere near the same level as Messi and most of his peak years were at Madrid where what made him so good was scoring goals. He’s nowhere near Messi in terms of assists and creating chances

[@brohdez8857]

@@s.k7770 you guys keep bringing up assists and cristiano has 300+ assists in his career. Obviously Messi has more assists, he takes all corners and free kicks.

[@cleanstrikefc]

This is a beautiul angle to look at the Messi vs Ronaldo debate. two absolute monsters. lets enjoy them

[@cadesky6029]

Love your video . I’ve been on KZbin a long time. Trust me your video style and presentation stands out. It’s a matter of time until you blow up

[@guillermotaylor6506]

They set the bar way too high... no disrespect to Vini, but the fact that he might win a Balon DOr this season, and comparing it to any of those 13 BDO the have combined is just sad

[@MagnumDrex]

I consider myself lucky to have been able to watch both players in their prime. They are true masters of their craft.

[@ayaan9646]

Tbh, I’m tired of the “one was a machine one a magician” comments. Messi was always obviously better than Ronaldo. This was a forced debate.

[@gewnurb]

it's definitely not a forced debate and you have no ball knowledge

[@ayaan9646]

@@gewnurb nah, I do. I’ve been watching top flight football since 2012, don’t use terms like “ball knowledge” just bc they make you sound somewhat smart. Cristiano Ronaldo was nowhere near Leo Messi’s level. Watching Messi play felt like there was an extra dimension to his game that normal humans were too stupid to understand. The guy was just born for playing football.

[@gewnurb]

@@ayaan9646 you mean 2012 or 2022?

[@Iron-Bridge]

Just be glad we had these two larger than life icons in our life time. This silly dichotomy is a media fueled one. I'm a Messi fan but there's no way I can underrate Ronaldo's contribution.

[@LoopSeek3r]

It’s incredible how balanced this rivalry was. The metaphor of yin and yang is spot on, everything fell into place for them to dominate an iconic era together. Personally i think it was always clear that Messi is on his own level but I respect and enjoy Ronaldo regardless

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

I felt the exact same way but about Ronaldo. I saw the last 20 years different.

[@SandyYoe-j1y]

Some great rivalry IMHO 1. MESSI vs CR 2. Magic vs Bird (basket) 3. Karpov vs Kasparov (chess) 4. Nadal vs Federed (Tennis) 5. LinDan vs Lee Chong Wei (Badminton) 6. Rossi vs Marc (MotoGP)

[@goatninja5303]

I’m just grateful that I got to live in an era where 2 of the greatest players existed at the same time. If Messi wins I’m happy if Ronaldo wins I’m happy. If one loses I’m not happy. I think the “rivalry” would be less toxic if people were more grateful for football giving us 2 legends 🔥

[@YeTism]

It was never a debate. Ronaldo is a great player, but Messi is on another level.

[@YeTism]

@@KingAdjust-h7b bro that’s not me in the avatar. I wish I looked like Alain Delon 😭

[@1Phire]

​@@YeTismbrutally over?

[@Xaiph]

6 goals in 24 apps no debate definitely

[@Ssixtwo]

Can Someone explain to me why a certain Fanbase calls Awards Not credible? Like in 2019 they Said the Balon d'Or and FIFA best Award have no credibility in 2021 they Said the FIFA best Award Has more credibility then the balon d'Or in 2022 they Said the Balon d'Or Has more credibility then the fifa best Award and in 2023 they Said both the FIFA best Award and the Balon d'Or have No credibility and in 2024 again they say that the FIFA best Award Has more credibility then the Balon d'Or and it's Always Just one certain Fanbase

[@_sstalker]

It's a rivalry in the sense that other than CR7 no one else in their generation came close to Messi's level, be it on the football field or in stats. But the truth is, and most EPL fans have a hard time accepting this (most notably Man Utd fans), Messi is just better. They are not on the same level. In terms of career, yes, they're comparable. They're more victorious and consistent than everyone else. Some players have more World Cup titles than them, or more Champions League titles, but when you add stats + longevity + individual accolades + consistency + iconic performances to the equation there's no debate. It's Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo first, then comes everyone else. That's one thing. But on the pitch? I'm sorry. Messi is better. He always was and he always will be. You can like watching other players more than you like watching Messi - like my father prefers Ronaldinho over him - but he is the best player of the last 30 years and arguably the GOAT. That's a fact.

[@DogMakingSausage]

People saying that Ronaldo is better are just looking at stats. But when you look at them play, there is absolutly no debate. One is a magician, an artist and the other is an ordinary player

[@SherryDC]

Look I accept you opinion, but I saw both live in their primes. IMO Ronaldo will always be the most complete footballer in history. Never seen a player being so dominant in the air, so fast on the wing, so deadly in the box, so explosive in the sprint so powerful out of range. - I can say with the ball on the foot and in tight spaces, Messi is magical no one compares not even Maradona but everything other than that? Headers? Longshots? Speed? Physic? - Ronaldo was unmatchable in his prime, and Ronaldo proved it everywhere, from Madeira to Sporting to ManU to Madrid and Juve. Messi once he left Barca was only a shadow of himself. Ronaldo proved he can do it anywhere and everywhere, even won the first ever international trophy for a country that never ever has won anything. Counts more than the third WC imo.

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

Ronaldo has more goals. What other stats matter? Goal scoring is the only stat that matters. Nobody cares about dribbles or passes. Getting the job done and winning is all that matters. Ronaldo is better in tougher competition with weaker teams. More individually dominant. Messi fans can't admit this to themselves. It's so hard because they hate CR7 more than they love their midget hero. I watched the game as a neutral fan and as an adult. I've seem their careers play out over my adult life. It's a no brainer Ronaldo was greater. I feel like I've been in some alternate dimension since the last world cup..Yeah Ronaldos child died and he had a tough year. Doesn't mean he fell behind Messi whatsoever. He was imo out of Messi's reach all along..

[@Noooonat-o5s]

​@@SherryDCBrainless fan kid,Why did you left Passing,Playmaking,Chance creation ,Set pieces ,Ronaldo isn't complete he is just like other good strikers ,While Messi does everything on the pitch ,Messi didn't flop anywhere he went his second season at PSG he had higher G+A than any best season of Ronaldo ,Messi went to inter miam which was a joke of the MLS now they are unstopable with him and he makes his team play better by his playmaking abilities while Ronaldo subbogate other player from shining since he is a selfish self centered egomaniac who only cares about him scoring the goals

[@onlyfacts3178]

THERE is no comparision. MESSI was the best player of LA LIGA SEASON 7 times of the 9 they played against each other... CR was only 1 time. GRIEZMAN was the best 1 season. So why people compare MESSI to CR??

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

Because Ronaldo is tbe goat and Messis the next best

[@alvirarahman2690]

This is not a debate. Only Ronaldo fans want to make it a debate. Ronaldo is nowhere near Messi.

[@gentlestorm7922]

If that was true then there won't be any debates bruh

[@davidg5965]

Where there's smoke there's fire

[@alvirarahman2690]

@@gentlestorm7922 There was a debate once between Wilshere and Messi lol

[@alvirarahman2690]

@@davidg5965 imaginary fire from imaginary smoke

[@davidg5965]

@alvirarahman2690 the only imaginary thing is Messi's last 3 gift gifted ballon d'ors and the rigged world cup with 5 penalties

[@josephtomiwo4792]

Talking about paradoxes, I think Messi is the true GOAT while Ronaldo is the pseudo goat 🐐

[@unathisejam7995]

Your mom was graped that's how you were born 😂

[@Footballplayer-710]

The real fans who are watching football since the early 2010s respect both equally.....the other set of fans who are fighting are the kids who started watching football from 2017 onwards

[@resikin]

5:58 Great video but a bit silly here how you don't point out that he is the one who scored his side's only goal in the final to get to that shootout.

[@Sh4ky]

really well executed video I like how you brought the ideas of Yin and Yang and the paradox back at the end

[@ajpbrunet]

If this is your first channel, this is quite impressive for a first vid! Really like your delivery and your editing style feels very confident. Subbed and looking forward to more soft-spoken football breakdowns :)

[@ehzardo]

appreciate it man! been around a while but never got down to posting consistently over the years. more videos are in the works so i’m glad you’re here for it 🤝

[@kertillo]

i truely believe both pushed each other to never known heights

[@mathewsphiri5629]

in the future, it wont be Messi or Ronaldo but rather Messi and Ronaldo. that's wholesome

[@warriorr433]

Ronaldo had to convert himself into a striker just to be there in the top charts and get compared with Messi.

[@TheRafaelBond]

OP does not understand "Paradox"

[@askylx4548]

If Real Madrid is the best club in the world by having 14 UCL, then Messi is the best player in the world (over Ronaldo) by having 8 Ballon d Or, 6 Golden Boot, 1 WC and 2 Golden Ball

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

901 goals

[@askylx4548]

@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 Yeay with more match play

[@Xaiph]

Yes 6 goals in 24 matches

[@fahadqassim]

Nice video and well explained

[@worthit5064]

Nowadays it's hard to see any free kick goals. At their prime free kick goals are just beautiful.

[@samwilder6199]

For me Messi is the greatest football player of all time while Ronaldo is the greatest athlete of all time

[@JsoProductionChannel]

12:27 this clip is just ABSOLUTELY INSANE

[@NavieO]

As a portuguese i personally think that Ronaldo is the GOAT but I completely accept ppl who say its Messi, they’re different players and I actually believe Messi is better, on the other side Ronaldo is more of a clutch player, anyways they 2 are the GOATs

[@elbodi9894]

Naa don't push the agenda of them being equal. The debate is over now, Messi cleared himself as the goat

[@gokutricolor1914]

Right now Messi has secured himself as the greatest in his dispute with CR7, but up to 2021 with his Copa America title, things were definetly much closer

[@2closeforcomf0rtt]

no he did not. Learn about what a traditional system is and explain to me how Scaloni and Barcelonas traditional systems took a steroid abuser to new heights. You know nothing about football and dont deserve to talk about the beautiful game.

[@elbodi9894]

@@gokutricolor1914 it was clear for even before his Copa America title that he was the best ...it was the principal argument of some cr7 fans since 2016, stating the international trophies as the difference, the debate breaker...and still, with that criteria (internationals trophies), Messi rendered himself as the goat by winning 2 copas and the WC ofc

[@thegoughandbordenfamily8234]

​@@elbodi9894Team achievement. Not individual.

[@2closeforcomf0rtt]

@@KingAdjust-h7b I think you essentially got all of them 🙏🙏

[@Useryt09x]

This vid is why i subbed (some stuff missing tho…) hopefully more… 🤙

[@evangorman4773]

Maradona is the GOAT. Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Brazil, Ronaldo Portugal, Messi, Best, Pele are among a group of amazing players that were among the gods of football but weren't quite at his level.

[@z1elyr]

How old are you man? He is definitely a legend but CR7 and Messi are far greater than anyone else in the sport.

[@evangorman4773]

@z1elyr I'm old enough to have seen Madonna in Napoli & Mexico 1986. I followed Messi and Ronaldo too over the years. Madonna is THE goat. 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐