*SHE'S WHAT!!?* Friends S7 Ep: 23 & 24 | First Time Watching | reaction/review

[@markpavlidis6464]

The zoom on rachel at the end of the episode is such a cliffhanger for first watchers. Can't wait for the rest of the seasons because it gets crazier!

[@albudos]

The following episode is one of my favorites.

[@thejenmath]

Watching your eyes widen when Monica said “What baby?” was hilarious!

[@Ellenisia]

I know right? that slow dawning realization was hilarious to watch 🤣

[@12classics39]

The use of “show don’t tell” in revealing who is actually pregnant was so brilliantly done in this episode.

[@erinkimberly4926]

“Oh my goodness, I have to wait a week! “ lol we had to wait all summer! (Originally)

[@4MINGTHOUGHTS]

My thoughts exactly. Made me laugh.

[@Lookn4Gsus]

True! 😂

[@DemonKingNemo]

Psh how old are you? Cuz I had to wait for the right episode to come on lol. Back in the days of cable (I'm talking 2006-2008ish) TV shows would always play an episode or two that related to each other and then follow with a different season that didn't follow up lol. Full House, Fresh Prince, and Friends I never got full contedt til I was an adult and bought the DVD sets 😅😂

[@KollinTalksSports]

Watching his eyes get bigger and bigger at the end when chandler was talking to Monica was hilarious.

[@liekeheijmans1068]

Thank you for your comment. I watched it back for this. Your right. Great reaction!

[@KollinTalksSports]

@@liekeheijmans1068😂😂

[@leonidasneves7972]

27:01 "oh my goodness I have to wait a week" at least is a week, ppl back in the day had to wait for literally months for a new season, imagine the anxiety, it's like us waiting for an anime new season to drop

[@Hanadix]

To be honest, even months feel like nothing compared to waiting multiple years between season, which became the norm nowdays 😅

[@edo27]

was literally about to comment this LOL. A WEEK?? THATS IT?? hehe

[@carriesmith742]

We usually had about a 3 month wait between TV series, but it seemed like forever with Friends. They knew how to do a cliffhanger on the season finales.

[@Riya.c69]

@@Hanadix Yeah just 4 seasons of stranger things lasted nearly a decade

[@HudsonDoodle]

@@edo27same. When this originally aired I was watching with a group of friends and when we realized Rachel was the one who was pregnant we all lost our minds over having to wait a whole summer to get some kind of resolution!!! At least we were all together and could spend an hour speculating about who the father was and the ramifications for the Friends. Good times. Hard to believe it was 24(?) years ago!!! Wow.

[@TJSaw]

Gary Oldman just kills it as usual 😂

[@janecrow1122]

I believe Gary's bottle grab was unscripted and it's sheer perfection. Peace, all 💕

[@cloudwatcher608]

I can’t believe this is the first time I realized that was Gary Oldman! He really knows how to disappear into a role.

[@1General_Grievous]

@@Rash23215 Dont you dare talk about one of the best actors of all time and the greatest chameleon to ever exist like that!

[@BeeKee404]

Something I just now noticed is that notice when Phoebe found the pregnancy test, Rachel didn't look particularly shocked? Like she gave that look like "oh shit. I can't let her know so I gotta pretend it's not mine." I really like that detail. Like it's a hint that not a lot of people might pick up on.

[@rawaby8923]

Yeah i figured it was her test by the reaction, the Rachel we know would be so loud about it but her face expression was more nervous, love the acting but sometimes i wish I didn’t catch that to be surprised too 😂

[@luellavanallen9481]

Also she said Monica must have just taken it because Rachel took out the trash earlier. But we know from other episodes Rachel is super bad at doing chores ESPECIALLY the trash. It would be a little uncharacteristic of Rachel to have actually done it lol.

[@nascreates3392]

That last name on the sign is actually Jennifer Aniston "real" last name. Her dad was a famous soap opera star, but he shortened the last name. Love all the ways they honored the ensemble over the years.

[@mammyewok]

i miss john aniston/victor ..

[@mammyewok]

another fun fact about john aniston is telly savalas was his best friend and is jenns godfather

[@ntiadicted]

Rachel being pregnant gave so much more to S8 than if Monica had been pregnant righ away after they got married. S7 was all about the wedding, all about Monica and Chandler and Monica being hysterical. So then to have the same kind of season again with the focus on Monica being hysterical while pregnant would have just been a repeat. Making Rachel be the one gave so much more to the storylines. And of course we had a cliffhanger again to end the season with. S6 with the engagement was not really a cliffhanger.

[@jeffs.s.]

I love your reaction when Phoebe tries to motivate chandler by saying that no one has a lower opinion about him than her hahaha. Deep inside we all know how street Phoebe, who went through hell considers Chandler's problems rIdiculous. she just can't grasp the idea of trauma and how that can affect you so much. She simply didn't have time to feel sorry for herself. So yeah, she's always harsh on him, but that's life. Not everyone gets others. Still her line is funny as hell. I love Phoebe

[@Meteorite_Shower]

Y'know, I've never really understood Phoebe's developing disdain for Chandler, but when you put it like that, I totally get it.

[@jeremymlad]

Wow, that makes a lot of sense and actually makes me love Phoebe even more now!

[@Joshy.Want.Wingyy]

Her character is a literal child, if that's really what you like 💀 but then again, it's just a tv show, right?

[@dfj977]

I didn’t care for Phoebe past season 4… She just got rude and dismissive.

[@jeffs.s.]

@dfj977 all of them are rude all the time, there's countless of examples, it's for the sake of amusement. Don't let it go to your head

[@VincentSimone-rp1pi]

I still get chills every time I watch when it’s revealed that Rachel is pregnant

[@JeM130177]

Gary Oldman is such a legend I still quote “is that MY arse?” fairly often 😂

[@carriebrown679]

I know this wasn't the main part of this video but the "what?! No spoilers!" between the 2 episodes had me dying laughing! 😂❤

[@MegaJSK123]

Of all the reactions I've seen to the end reveal, yours is easily the best. Most reactors have an over dramatic shock, where you had that gradual realizaion as your eyes slowly widen, so good.

[@Matilda_King]

Drunk Gary Oldman is one of my favorite part in the whole series. He has some of the best one liners

[@Nikki-oe7gr]

I had to chuckle when you said you couldn't believe you had to wait a week to watch the next episode, because while on rewatches we always binge watch this episode and the next episodes back to back, when we first watched when it first aired, we had to wait from mid-May until the end of September. The anticipation was torturous, trying to figure out when Rachel got pregnant and by whom. Your reaction to that plot twist was priceless.

[@stonechen2480]

I really appreciate you willing to wait a week for the answers, imagine waiting for a whole year having that in the back of your head.

[@tracim3080]

If chandler hurt Monica the person hunting him down and harming him would be Phoebe 😂

[@andreshernandez1180]

Just a few episodes ago Joey wasn't sure he'd make it on time to "the show" (wedding) because he had to go to his niece's christening, now there's a movie part and the christening is never mentioned again. 20:46 *Anastasakis* was *Jennifer Aniston’s father’s real surname* before he changed it to Aniston.

[@ivah9673]

THAT CLIFFHANGER AGHHH 😭!! Also, recent subscriber here, have been loving your Friends reactions (and others!) so far, and hoping the channel continues to grow! 💪💪

[@MrHootiedean]

So excited for season 8, it was the only one that Friends won the Best Comedy Emmy and it's a banger!

[@jessquinn6106]

Let's not laugh at Ross's threat too much. Remember, he is "Science Boy", can go "Red Ross" and knows "Unagi." He can kick....footballs....sorta.

[@DoubleBlack2.0]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jmcollins80]

“Oh! Now I have to wait a week…” Dude we had to wait a whole summer 😅

[@nyanyahserus]

The way you said "hell-oh" at 6:56 was so cute hahah

[@sarafernandesmd]

Hello! If you are looking for a new comedy series to react to once you’re done with Friends, I suggest Modern Family. It’s funny, chill and it also has some deep moments!

[@Im6213]

I would also love to see modern family!

[@sunshinehobi8954]

Modern Family is my favourite sitcom! I think Oscar would love it!

[@betssya.bautista2449]

Also The Big Bang Theory ❤

[@ZukoHalliwell]

Absolutely. Modern Family is amazing.

[@Karamarika]

I would rather see HIMYM. Was never able to get into Modern Family.

[@Darkbillhook]

Loved this

[@sherrysink3177]

Fantastic reaction to the cliffhanger surprise at the end! Your eyes bugging out and you saying "Whaaaa --- how??" was perfect. ❤🤣

[@emilyjewett2660]

I remember when this aired. I was young, too young to understand we wouldn’t see the next episode for months haha.

[@carterthiero7633]

I cannot wait to see your reaction to Season 8! And your reaction of finding out who the Father is to Rachel’s baby!

[@nascreates3392]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@theadamabrams]

My sister and brother-in-law are both big _Friends_ fans, so I literally sent him a link to the 1:37 clip before their wedding. It was too good an opportunity to pass up.

[@paulrothrock9405]

In season 3, there was an episode where the friends were listing their "list" of famous people to sleep with. Chandler's list included Jessica Rabbit, and the actress that played her was Kathleen Turner, who plays his dad. Also, at the end of that season 3 episode, Isabella Rossellini shows up in the coffee house at the end, and she's probably going to get nominated for an Oscar (no pun intended) this week for "Conclave."

[@julesr6125]

Lol yeah the ending was such a big cliff hanger and we had to wait a whole summer for the next episode! Glad your enjoying it and that you took time for a break!

[@obsidianbaby9935]

Ain’t nothing like coming home after a long shift, and just kick back and relax listening to your vids ❤

[@Paul-ql3qw]

The A-Man-Da joke was so good

[@kate2create738]

This is possibly the best season finale, at least in my opinion, the show does excellent season finales, there’s something about the constant surprise one after the other that keeps you on your toes.

[@atticusmcfly]

I just took down my Christmas tree and needed a good pick me up. Oscar delivered!! 🎉

[@MyGoldenShadows]

I rewinded to the part where Monica says she is not pregnant and it's so funny to see Oscar"s eyes get bigger and bigger lmaooo

[@scGD10]

19:07 Rachel needs a bigger hug there.

[@rawaby8923]

Nah i actually appreciate what Ross did about not hurting his sister, some men can be more harsh and acts careless if the wife has no father or brother (sadly) but they will be more careful if they know she has someone that got her back , but these talks is okay if it’s coming from the family side and not that the wife feels that it’s needed cause why are you marrying him if you don’t feel safe + it’s funny cause Ross isn’t really much of a threat

[@justagabbieday]

Always a good day when you post! 🎉

[@HerHollyness]

“Oh my goodness I have to wait a week.” 😂😂 People in this era of binge watching have no idea how lucky they are! Back in 2001 we had to wait five whole months! Also, S8 is weird, time wise, so be prepared - it started in September 2001 and is literally set in New York but made the strange decision not to mention 9/11 at all, even in passing. Plus, in real time, Rachel grows that baby for like a year. It’s even weirder than Phoebe’s five-month pregnancy in S4!

[@Timelord79]

compressed and expanded timeline is not that strange in TV shows... Some shows are released over months or a whole year or even years and they cover just a few weeks or months. LOST or Battlestar Galactica were good examples around that era of TV.

[@erine387]

Your reaction to Rachel's pregnancy was priceless 😂 I always love your reaction videos of Friends ❤

[@swftst]

Watching you react makes it feel like I am watching it for the first time again so thank you for that!!

[@user-le4bo1id1y]

it's amazing to me that you have so much discipline you would wait a week to see the resolution of the cliffhanger haha. i would crack and go to wikipedia or something

[@johnmaster3748]

13:45 "...people had to look forward to the next episode, and you had to hook them." There was no need for the bathroom pregnancy test to serve as a "hook" for next week, nor to look forward to next week. As with nearly all the Friends finales, eps 23 & 24 aired on a single night in a one-hour ratings blockbuster, an extravaganza of promotion and anticipation. The episode was written, produced, and recorded as a single hour. It carries two numbers for budgetary reasons (e.g., spreading the fees for Gary Oldman, Morgan Fairchild, and Kathleen Turner across the budget for two episodes) and also because of future syndication. (The writers know in future it will air as two episodes, so the pregnancy test gets positioned as the midpoint. So, in that sense, it was intended to be a hook and cliffhanger.) So we did _not_ have to wait a whole week for that initial (non-)cliffhanger, but we did have an almost five-month wait for the second one to resolve.

[@tyranusfan]

For a split second, when you said "do you think Chandler saw it?" I thought you meant the preview for next week's episode. LOL!

[@sherrysink3177]

No worries about the holiday break time off -- everyone needs a break once in a while! I hope you enjoyed the holiday. Can't wait to see what you think of the next season!

[@dextermorgan-u2z]

Yeah, you're right about fathers/brothers being overprotective which stems from the history of women being less-than and incapable of making choices. Friends is a show trying to be progressive but still pushing some messed up ideas at times, stuff that was considered ok in the mainstream.

[@teamb6771]

Im so happy watching your Friends reactions!! This is my favorite show and I love how invested you are!!

[@MargoMB19]

LOVE your reactions! You have such great expressions when you are surprised, haha.

[@concettasorvillo3719]

I've always wandered how the things with Gary Oldman were in the background because his part was too odd and funny 😂😂

[@amberdot42]

Gary Oldman … about two years before this he and Matt LeBlanc made a movie together, Lost in Space (fun escapist movie Gary chewed the scenery as the villain) And yes Rachel p’s pregnancy was a fun reveal and a great cliffhanger.

[@tjnguyen8546]

I loved your take on the overbearing older brother trope. It can be cute for sure, but I like that your personal thing is that you trust your sister's judgment and believe in her ability to take care of herself. That's simultaneously so respectful and so sweet ❤

[@AmiValdes]

Yees!! ❤❤

[@a.aaaaaaaaaaaa3224]

Glad to be this early, love the reactions and your understanding and intelligent nature

[@SunShine-qk4rb]

These 2 episodes definitely took you on a ride

[@jeremiahrose4681]

What's crazy about my wife and I, I waited 3 years to ask her to get married. I did it on her birthday (Feb) and the wedding was scheduled fir Jun - all that was set up......all of a sudden in May she had something to tell me. Yes, you guessed it she was pregnant. Been together 3 years and nothing and then a month before our wedding. Been Married 18 years this June. Yes, we have a beautiful but sarcastic teen age daughter. There's a whole back story how we met...but that's for another episode....ha...

[@SkidmoreTx]

“I have to wait a week” imagine having to wait five months 😂

[@jeremiahrose4681]

Gary Oldman was brilliant in this episode.

[@byronabrahams871]

Joey and a drunk Sirius Black never gets old.

[@ryanking8227]

26:43 loved the reaction expressions

[@dextermorgan-u2z]

the thing is wanting to get married and have a chiId is presented as "mature" stage for ChandIer and "typical" stage for Monica. that is somewhat stereotypicaI but very unfair to us the viewers.

[@laurakhancreations3845]

You had to wait a week- we had to wait longer! 😂 I was so excited you were watching this until I remembered how they did the cliffhanger

[@mrsreid4435]

I’ve sooo been looking forward for this reaction, its finally here! 🎉

[@nascreates3392]

Meeeeeee toooo!!!!🎉

[@barrymoreblue]

I have been DYING for you to get to this moment all season!

[@aliciawashington1072]

I'm soo excited to rewatch this with you!! I've seen it soo many times i know the words but it's always fun to see it through fresh eyes!! Can't wait till next week!❤

[@marieleelee]

I still remember when these episodes came out, it was a big big big deal. My favorite season finale too.

[@LABdk]

“I can’t wait a week!!” Yeah, try waiting months and months… 😂 👨🏻‍🍼

[@sagenoelle4439]

I never quite understood why everyone laughed at Ross giving Chandler the "older brother" talk and couldn't take it seriously. They were all terrified of Ross finding out about Monica & Chandler's relationship (and Chandler was running away from Red Ross when he did!)

[@nitrokid]

Gary Oldman as a guest star was crazy 😂

[@ToniMcGinty]

Funny when Joey's talking about his movie and the pitches thrown back at him are ridiculous. Cause this is the man who starred in a movie about a baseball playing chimp. Whilst at the height of his Friends fame.

[@Kelaiah01]

Awww, I was expecting one of Oscar's signature *GASPS* for the revelation about Rachel! XD Haha, oh well.

[@artursruseckis4242]

"How? Who?" Oh dude, both answers will be quite an enjoyable things to watch. For me personally, the answer to the question "How?" was the best episode of Friends ever. I hope nobody will spill wine on invitations... I meant, nobody will spoil it for you in the comments :)

[@llorona7847]

“…and I have to wait a week.” How do you think we all felt at the time? Lol. Season 7 was one of my favorites.

[@melissacreel4719]

I could be wrong but I think the pregnancy was written in the script when Courtney Cox actually became pregnant then she lost the baby so they changed the story line to Rachael.

[@ericacommender6951]

watching the realization wash over your face 😂😂. Can’t wait for next episode

[@TopNotchWatcher87]

Yay, was hoping for Cocoa couch FRIENDS drop!!!

[@ShuGal88]

I've been waiting forever for you to get to this episode! Your face absolutely priceless!

[@MegaSpideyman]

Delighted to see this up now! Should be really 😊☺️☺️

[@em-ily1227]

Oh we’ve been waiting for this one! Great reaction as always!

[@elliebelliewatermellie155]

This is going to sound really crazy But I remember when this season was launching and I was really young. My sister was absolutely losing her mind at the end of each episode loll waiting for answers while the next episodes came out were torture lol

[@houghi3826]

Love if you would do "The Good Place". Only few seasons, but all great and it has an actual ending.

[@Heida77]

These episodes are SO good. Chandler's freak-out about the wedding is pretty on point for the character, honestly. But of course it was done to create drama. And that ending was SHOCKING I tell you! I agree about Ross's "I will hunt you down and kick your ass" speech to Chandler, but I also think it's oddly sweet. At the end of the day, he came through and brought Chandler back (along with Phoebe). Fun facts: When Joey first meets Richard, Joey says that he just won an Oscar and Richard says he has lost three times. It's a tongue-in-cheek reference to Gary Oldman's reputation at the time as one of the finest actors to have never won or been nominated for an Oscar (kinda like Leo before he won for The Revenant in 2016). He did win in 2018, 17 years after the airing of this episode for his role as Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour. He was previously nominated in 2012 for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (but lost to Jean Dujardin for The Artist), and again in 2021 for Mank (but lost to Anthony Hopkins for The Father). He was nominated for an Emmy for his appearance in these episodes. Richard grabbing the bottle as Joey carries him out of his dressing room was ad-libbed by Gary. Also, he and Matt Leblanc both appeared in Lost in Space in 1998. Sidenote: From 1994-1996, Gary was engaged to Italian actress and model Isabella Rossellini, his co-star in Immortal Beloved. Ross bumped her for Winona Ryder on his freebie list back in S3. Gary was also briefly married to Uma Thurman from 1990-1992. Ironically (or not), he's struggled with alcoholism and has been sober since 1997. A funny callback to 7x01 when Monica finds Rachel and Ross kissing on the night of her and Chandler's engagement, she is furious and says to Rachel "On the night you get engaged, I'm going to announce I'm pregnant". But on the night of Chandler and Monica's wedding, Rachel is revealed to be pregnant. Anastassakis, the first name that Rachel reads for the Greek wedding is Jennifer Aniston's original Greek surname, which became Aniston after her family moved from Greece to the US. Additionally, Stephanopoulos is the last name of George Stephanopoulos, the neighbour the girls spied on in S1. And Acidophilus is a bacteria species (Lacto Bacillus acidophilus). Originally the writers WERE going to make Monica pregnant. However they thought this was too conventional and wanted a more dramatic cliffhanger. The final scene with the close-up on Rachel was shot after the audience left to keep it a surprise. When freaking out about the wedding, Chandler decides to see if he could prove that he and Monica are related. In real life, Matthew and Courteney are distantly related. Ironically, the USA fought Germany in WWI, while Mexico was neutral (like Switzerland in both WWI and WWII). Continuity errors/goofs: Most production companies don't film on Saturday or Sunday, so Joey wouldn't have been expected to work since they filmed for what appears to have been a few hours the previous night. There's also no indication that Richard was drinking while on set even though the director states he has been drinking all night. Within this same error, it appears as though Joey was done for the day relatively early (after working all night) and he wouldn't have the authority to stop production due to Richard being drunk. In the office, Chandler says "The only person that can make marriage work is Paul Newman". While his marriage to actress Joanne Woodward lasted for over 50 years until his death in 2008, he divorced in 1958 after being married for 11 years to Jackie Witte. Sidenote: Paul Newman originated the phrase "Why go for a hamburger when you have steak at home?", when he was asked in an interview how he remained faithful to Joanne. When Rachel finds the Greek Orthodox priest and asks him to do the ceremony, he had just finished officiating at another wedding. However, those of the Greek Orthodox faith would be getting married in a church, not in a hotel. Also, as he starts the ceremony, the priest says, "Dearly Beloved...". Greek Orthodox weddings are done only in Greek, not in English. During Ross's toast he makes a joke about Chandler not being a fan of long term relationships and the only one he had was with a girl named Molly, who was his dog. But Chandler hates/is afraid of dogs. However, it may have started after that. When Ross and Phoebe find Chandler at his work, it says 'Mike Smith' on the door and many think it is a goof. In the uncut version, Ross notices the sign and Chandler realises he is in the wrong office. Additionally, Mike Smith was the construction coordinator for the show. When Jack and Judy are in Central Perk, they act as though they have never seen Gunther, but he was at Monica's 30th birthday, which they both attended. Jack could just not have remembered him but Judy certainly would have 🤣 Ross says he's never walked down the aisle knowing it couldn't end in divorce. But he walked Carol down the aisle when she married Susan. Also, he should have said "he's never walked down the aisle knowing it couldn't end in divorce FOR HIM". Similarly, Rachel says "I'm never going to get married!". However, she was married to Ross (though it's possible she was referring to a proper marriage, so not necessarily a goof). While planning for the wedding, Monica asks Chandler whether he thinks they should have lilies or roses. Monica says that they are going to have lilies (not taking into account Chandler's opinion). But at the wedding there are mainly roses. In the message Monica has recorded, that makes Chandler freak out, she calls herself and Chandler "The Bings". However, Monica already told Chandler she wasn't planning to change her last name. Monica and Chandler had booked the Morgan Chase Museum as their wedding venue but the actual wedding clearly takes place elsewhere.

[@neatka7324]

So many spoilers in these comments - people, can't you just shut up?

[@crybbyrosa420]

Ross's "I will find him" is NEVER not gonna be funny lmaoooo.

[@johnmoreland6089]

No one saw that coming. Or the fact that it was a demon baby, like The Omen. Weird turn for a sitcom, but it did give the last 3 seasons a different feel. Oh, wait. Was that a spoiler? 😂

[@nascreates3392]

You're silly. Lol.

[@nascreates3392]

I was soooooooo waiting for this reaction. The wedding it beautiful, but the Rachel moment is PEAK suspense!!!! I knew you'd lose it. ❤❤❤❤

[@0Carkki0]

No worries. We are all human beings here. ^^ You are your own boss; if you could use a day off, do it. If you can afford it, that is.

[@mels607]

in hindsight/years later, the folks who worked on the show wished they had done more research on the trans community, because Helena Bing was canonically a trans woman, not just a drag queen. I'm glad they chose to clarify that because I'm sure it was confusing for a lot of folks. Kathleen Turner did a fabulous job and was very believable, but she stated that if offered the role today, she would've turned it down to allow an actual trans woman to do it, which is really great of her.

[@jennujor1551]

That "Next time on Friends..." potential spoiler preview might as well've bit you! 😅

[@stpaley]

since you mentioned you need answers at the end of the season finale i think it would be a nice show of support of solidarity if you would not watch the next season for several months like most people 20+ years ago

[@DarianStevenson]

This is the earliest I’ve ever been

[@janecrow1122]

Could you have been any earlier? :)

[@KateLynn-ys4xt]

This may be a weird time to comment this but please react to Band of Brothers, it is such an important tv show!

[@aquatadevore9335]

I love your videos 💖💖 after Friends may I suggest The Nanny, or The Golden Girls?

[@saralafernando9243]

after you are done with friends pls consider reacting to modern family next, it's such a good series.🤗

[@KeinName-xq7zo]

I have been waiting SO MUCH for these episodes!

[@ericacarreiro9299]

Just amazing episodes both! Let's go to the season 8 ❤❤😂

[@Thomas_Wedderburn]

Awesome reaction, needed this today 😊

[@kaijingarou6526]

I get they needed a little twist for the wedding but I'm not a fan of the whole Chandler running away thing. I'd believe he was way over that by now. But I'm glad they didn't push it too much and those are still two great episodes.

[@juliollera1401]

I remember to react to that moment... 23 years ago! :,-)