Same thing happened to you with a bad NGC grading of nickels and then PCGS made it right. If you mix up the letters PCGS and NGC, it spells INCONSISTENT
@TheMan402622 жыл бұрын
It spells npcgnsgc but close enough
@tylonnplatinumthe3rd6592 жыл бұрын
Haha
@TheCoinGeek2 жыл бұрын
So funny
@jamesgoss18602 жыл бұрын
You know what would be a fun secondary exercise? Sending these to PCGS in the NGC slabs and requesting crossovers, and seeing the results. Would they still see "cleaning" or would the straight grade from NGC affect their bias and cross them over?
@shawn9519512 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea!
@Bullet06442 жыл бұрын
I second this idea!
@TheCoinGeek2 жыл бұрын
James!!!! Sooooo tempting
@jamesgoss18602 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoinGeek Obviously they have gone on sale already, but next time. Next time!
@tylonnplatinumthe3rd6592 жыл бұрын
A guy could really make a living picking through details coins
@ColinS-jf2hj2 жыл бұрын
It feels like we could buy PCGS detail coins that were graded over the last two years and have a decent shot of getting a straight grade
@davidortega13652 жыл бұрын
Nice job brother! Justice has been served!!!
@generalkenobi55332 жыл бұрын
AU Details-Cleaned to MS63BN is a wild jump on that 1916-S. PCGS grader was half asleep. Congrats on the upgrades!
@robertscagnelli10112 жыл бұрын
TOTAL REDEMPTION!!! Great job BEN!!! I love crackout videos!!
@selectedsilversire72082 жыл бұрын
Really like these type of videos.
@kaynefryday66372 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you have a win 👍 A clock is right at least twice a day 😂
@scottcahala77792 жыл бұрын
Great video awesome Coins. I love the dime.
@johnadcock85232 жыл бұрын
You taught me something today! Thank you.
@singlesideman2 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. What a crazy difference in grades. The toning on the Morgan really is spectacular, and the Barber dime looks fantastic, too. Congratulations on the major upgrades!
@asmischney2 жыл бұрын
Love the dime.
@briang21422 жыл бұрын
Finally some justice!
@nodakmex2 жыл бұрын
Love the Morgan,
@everettwhite9874 Жыл бұрын
The toning on the 1900 Morgan is beautiful to me. You made a good decision to have the toned side on the front of the slab. I didn’t know that you can have the reverse side of the coin facing front. I like toning and that’s an excellent way to display your favorite side. Would one need only ask PCGS by including that in the comment section of the submission form? Nice video with a helpful tip. ❤
@numismaticstacker2 жыл бұрын
perfect score!
@swinn8482 жыл бұрын
Wow! It really is crazy and just a racket. I have guys at my local coin club better than our “industry standard” at grading
@gouldschool11 ай бұрын
Great video!
@martin-fc4kk2 жыл бұрын
great results!
@evenruderanger76172 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m so happy for you! Good eye bro! You are a true BOSS. If you have kids, they are lucky to have you as a dad. When you die, your coin collection will be wonderful for them to look through and remember you!
@alwaysseekingsilver2 жыл бұрын
Winner, winner, winner, chicken dinner. Since when does NGC like you, Ben? 😁
@timothy_pitcock2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@tekvet012 жыл бұрын
What a huge difference! Much more realistic now.
@ehrenkrause98612 жыл бұрын
Home runs. Congrats on the cross over 👍😁
@unclecarrot8000 Жыл бұрын
I personally could see some double guessing on the penny. Dime and dollar, however, look spotless.
@HiTechFX2 жыл бұрын
I generally learn something from just about every video you make, thanks!
@TOTOD-TOTOD2 жыл бұрын
I really look forward to and enjoy watching these crack out videos.
@kevinpoggensee30442 жыл бұрын
Nice redemption for your time and money. All beautiful coins and still maybe undergraded. I think that Morgan should at least have a star for eye appeal.
@donaldinnewmexico2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ben. I like the toning on the 16-S cent. It looks better than 63. The 1890 dime also has nice toning. It looks better than a 63 also. The 1900 Morgan looks nice too. It is just a little dark. Nice grade from NGC. PCGS hates you. Great results. Thanks. *TYU*
@stevemontanya74212 жыл бұрын
Tore the mice's to pieces . Good grade video . Thanks
@m.t.n.vaults56892 жыл бұрын
PCGS showing their true colors. To much work just put details on it. I also love how NGC put Morgan backwards to show beautiful toning.
@shawnatkinson55102 жыл бұрын
More crackout challenges!
@EmptyWilbur Жыл бұрын
I always find it interesting how little descriptions they put on their labels. For example they could put "$1.00" instead of $1 or "1 cent" instead of 1c. Are they trying to save on ink costs because I don't think a few extra letters amounts to much especially for how expensive it is to get coins graded.
@stevegavett42262 жыл бұрын
wow...love the fact that they got the grades right...i have a ms 62 maine commerative that was graded by pcgs...i think it is a higher grade myself..this video makes me want to pull the crack out trigger...
@tomsch58012 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I feel bad about the grading company inconsistency. Even if you sent them back to PCGS, probably would have graded differently as well. Seems like such a crap shoot.
@667hodge2 жыл бұрын
TPG'ers are the ultimate love-hate relationship
@laneyames64482 жыл бұрын
Nice
@silvadelshaladin2 жыл бұрын
Vindication.
@jrduke3572 жыл бұрын
This is why I used NGC plus I dont wanna send my money to a state like California and i liked the holders better.
@tyrfingbroadaxe12172 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video! Thanks for your effort in bringing these to the community. I ranted on your crossover video regarding PCGS not crossing over obvious wins. As a numismatic masochist, I didn't take my own advice and sent a key coin in a VF20 ANACS soapbox holder to the gravity bandits at PCGS for crossover. Before doing that, I had a guy who grades for PCGS look at it, and he said ANACS undergraded it by one, maybe two grades. Same thing with a guy who used to own another grading service. I sent it to PCGS using Express service, and have received the grade a month later. I though I was going to have to apologize for my previous rant. Why did I think that? Because the Express service coin spent five full business days in the Encapsulation stage. But when crossovers are involved, the Encapsulation stage appears only a whip the PCGS sadists use generate excitement with an eye to flog your hopes. My previous rant++ remains valid. Cheers.
@elee9500212 жыл бұрын
Great video and kudos to you for recognizing that the coins should have better outcomes. I, too. sometimes really scratch my head with some of the results from TPGs. My 1938D 50c WLH was judged to be Unc but cleaned. I sent it to the other company and it came back MS65! I'm surprised that your coins had such huge differences in grade as these coins are very nice to begin with. Be well! Ed
@charlesdavis74612 жыл бұрын
I thought PCGS had their own cleaning division.
@GardenerEarthGuy2 жыл бұрын
If I get a job there, I'll fix the crackout issue for you- just because I'm a fan!
@ibji2 жыл бұрын
There's a coin I'm looking at in an upcoming auction that was labeled by NGC as whizzed. I mean, they put the word whizzed on the slab, not cleaned, not damaged, whizzed. So NGC isn't always softer on grading, they will call out a coin when it's obvious.
@davidbarber74872 жыл бұрын
The concern I always have about crackouts is that the grading companies keep a tally of how many example of each coin in each grade that they've done. This is useful to know the relative rarity of each coin in question. When you crackout and regrade, doesn't that throw those numbers off? I mean, I'm not thinking that you notify the original grading company of your actions with their slab.
@TheQuickSilver1012 жыл бұрын
Wow, three wins! That's pretty rare. They were all head scratchers, but I have to think that they cent was the biggest head scratcher pf them all. I'm not a big penny collector but even I can see that's not AU.
@mradamdsmith2 жыл бұрын
I think PCGS just slaps details on coins to push through the backlog.
@meteoman79582 жыл бұрын
I still think each coin could be a point higher, possibly 2 for the dime.
@ltcol20052 жыл бұрын
although i don't have these coins in hand, i did not see them cleaned either. what is PCGS thinking. I guess with their backlog they are whipping thru grading, or you can look at the other side and maybe NGC is speeding up their grading and letting things slide. Sometimes it is like a factory processing line and things get missed due to getting the items out quickly to make a quota. hopefully ben your luck may be changing HA!
@tedyoh73944 ай бұрын
It's all about The Gold Shield Service - stay away from it
@dvran2 жыл бұрын
Wow, not sending anything to PCGS any more.
@ryanstieglitz80775 ай бұрын
Comment down below! Helping that Al Gore rhythm.
@fifteenbyfive2 жыл бұрын
What do these PCGS graders think they're cleaning these coins with? I try to think these graders are generally consistent but the differences in grades here are incredible.
@fullthrottleblue Жыл бұрын
I like the toning of that 1890 seated dime. I’m assuming it’s been sold by now?
@farwest58282 жыл бұрын
nice
@justinmiller9966 Жыл бұрын
Ben , with such disparity in the 2 giant coin grader's opinions which can amount to a great deal of money at times, let's not forget ANAC , poor guys , wouldn't it be good for just 1 grading numismatics company , in my opinion this is not a fair way to price coins, from buyers to sellers. Correct me on my view so I can more understand, again another reason I choose bullion over nusematics, I love coins and the history of them , but from buying and selling it's all monkeyed up . Thanks for what you do, great show !!! PEACE
@michaelgoodspeed8462 жыл бұрын
Greetings Ben, You gave me an idea for a future video you can do. Take two coins and ask - which would you rather have using price points. Like I would choose the 1890 dime over a nice MS65 Morgan any day. Best wishes
@jimmycapps72632 жыл бұрын
How aggravating! These two companies get to decide how much your coins are worth...
@robertlung22222 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe PCGS is that bad. I have done what you have done here today and got pretty much what I expected. Maybe these graders were rookies or out all nite drinking and came In with a hang-over Ben. Good call on your part
@lanceredler7589 Жыл бұрын
I would imagine that most coin graders are not party animals. I am thinking they spent to many hours playing dungeons and dragons the night before
@user-rh1ri2ss7h2 жыл бұрын
PCGS is a Cleaned grader.
@eastcoastcc26312 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, I was just wondering what type of tripod you use for overhead shots of coins? Really enjoyed the video! Keep up the great work!
@Samscoinsandheavymetal2 жыл бұрын
Just demonstrates how subjective coin grading is and how fine the line is between W and L .. how fragile the hobby is relying upon the “top 2 in the industry” and yet, 36 years later, such a wide disparity and “margin of error” continues to exist
@callumweber14692 жыл бұрын
That Morgan is a beauty! How much??
@lewisoverfield52942 жыл бұрын
How can they say that those were cleaned wow nice coins thx for sharing great video
@KSASTAMPS Жыл бұрын
This illustrates both the rationality and utter irrationality of where grading has gone over the past 40 years. Rational in that the grading companies made coins comparable with each other in the first mostly "objective" sense and brought order out of the many "subjective" adjectives dealers had used for decades. However, this morphs into irrationality when taken too far--that is when you try to completely "objectify" the process. Dealers has known forever that there is a bit of subjectivity factored into grading decisions, which translates to 1-2 points on the grade scale--good, even well-experienced dealers can disagree by this margin, while the grading companies pretend that they can hairsplit to a 1/2 point margin (with all the "plus" grading nonsense)--they can't and they never will have this actual ability, this is but a very clever way to extract an additional fee out of millions of submissions. Further, this particular video illustrates the additional absurdity that where toning is involved, the grading companies can't even agree as to which coin surfaces are original or fiddled with! Toning can and does hide the fiddling, and even the experts are consistently fooled. This should be a cautionary tale to anyone paying exorbitant fees for "great toning." Also, in this particular case, look what happens to value with these 3 coins: the 16-S cent on PCGS is at $100 for a straight grade, so as AU details cleaned you probably sell it for about $50. NGC gives a MS63 Brn and voila the coin is now worth $220! On the 1890 dime, PCGS has it at MS60 $225, so maybe you sell that at about $135, NGC grades at MS63 and voila the coin is now worth $250! Likewise, the 1900 $1 Unc Details, PCGS has at $72, and retail about $45, NGC grades MS64 and voila the coin is now worth $125! No wonder collectors and dealers both feel great insecurity in the grading arena--the "experts" themselves give consistently contradictory results. And you have now entered the Coin Twilight Zone (of Irrationality)--enjoy your journey!
@jamesbryant67352 жыл бұрын
We're all the coins sent in together ? That's the rest of the story.
@danielanderson47772 жыл бұрын
Send them to ANACS now and see what happens. Lol
@TheSteveBoyd2 жыл бұрын
I have a question for you. My latest NGC submission was a '52 and a '53 Franklin proof. My guesstimate was PF65 on the '53 (possible CAM) and PF66 - MAYBE PF67 on the '52. So... the '53 came back PF65 (no CAM). Cool, I'll take it. But the nicer looking, no hairlines, naturally toned '52? It came back as PF64! (Noooooooooooo!!!). Here's the question that I'm almost positive nobody really wants to answer: With early Franklin proofs, am I doing myself a disservice by NOT dipping these coins? I know I wouldn't dream of doing so on 19th and early 20th century proofs - all the way up to Walking Liberty halves, but are Franklins and Kennedys a different ballgame? Because I did NOT see that PF64 coming. Of course there's always the possibility that I just really suck at this. 🤷♂
@jasonhastings55382 жыл бұрын
Went from $200 to $2000!!!
@esurfrider76872 жыл бұрын
Is that toned Morgan already spoken for? I don’t see it up on the website
@LenHere2 жыл бұрын
Tell me why I should ever send a coin to PCGS??
@lpandy212 жыл бұрын
You probably used up all your grace from the grading deities for year! Beware if you were planning more crackout viiideooossss!
@crossletfour64022 жыл бұрын
CAC 'em!
@alfredparsons68112 жыл бұрын
I think NGC got them all right. There is no consistency with either grading companies any more. Those are three beautiful coins.
@patrickturnerjr Жыл бұрын
So the lesson of the day is, stop sending coins to PCGS until they remove the stick from their anus. I want my coins graded fairly and accurately but it seems like they have a different scale. They treat MS 67 or 68 as the "perfect" coin grade and an normally 67 graded coin is now a 66 or even a 65. I believe in high standards but they have to be obtainable.
@JohnD3572 жыл бұрын
This just proves the uselessness of these grading companies. AU Cleaned to MS 63? Not a one of those coins looked cleaned based on what we saw in the video.
@mnyshrpknvs2 жыл бұрын
I've been hearing stories about population control on grades, and PCGS seems to be the biggest offender from what I can see. Your last name has to be Hall or your business have Bowers in its name to have accurate, consistent and expedited grading!
@silverdrillpickle75962 жыл бұрын
The Morgan is a 65 in my eye.
@raddy88982 жыл бұрын
Seems like PCGS has bad graders. Go with NGC.
@derinc.89702 жыл бұрын
Once again, it's a crap shoot when you submit coins to the big 2! HOW does a reasonable person explain these outcomes? One day you get "cleaned UNK details" AND THEN MS64, WTF???
@robertstroback33622 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show you how subjective coin grading is.