PCGS Crossover - "Off-Brand" Holders, Before & After - How Will the Grades Compare?

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[@TiHerr74]

Hey Ben - thanks for sending those in for me. Appreciate all your efforts and happy with the results. Here is my next idea - let's donate the entire batch to the Campos family fund.

[@TiHerr74]

Maybe sell it as a set or make it a door prize for the Campos family fund at the show “as seen in the KZbin video”.

[@Walkerazul]

You rock,Tim!

[@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659]

That was fun! Thanks for sponsoring the video and your donation

[@TiHerr74]

@@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 - the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for the note.

[@CorbTheCoinBoi]

This was awesome Tim!! Thanks for allowing us to enjoy them!!!

[@COUNTTRUMPULA]

Now that I know PCGS will cross ICG.... I'm excited. 👍

[@T.W.goodguy]

Very good video, and Kool watching.🤠✌️

[@PilgoreJ]

Nice running into your channel 👍 my wife and I just recently came across an estate sale with loads of good stuff. So we just got involved 🤔

[@royrauch9775]

Thank you!!! Just goes to show EVERYONE that GRADING is all in the eye of the buyer and seller! The ONLY THING these services should be used for is to AUTHENTICATE a coin as to being real or not! Each coin must stand on its own merit and until we go back to a system where you have 5 days to return a coin because of disagreement on grade You have proven that being in plastic means NOTHING!!!BTW, with 11 unc. grades who was the genius who came up with a PLUS GRADE....Sheldon never had that!!!!

[@zachschindel3181]

The number system should have just been left out. Allow people to buy what they like. Ag.G,F,VF,XF,AU,UNC (brilliant choice gem). That seems like a lot. Not good, ok, good, great.

[@rogerkinard7446]

Bugs Bunny: “That’s all folks !” Ha, ha, ha !!! Ben, “The Coin Geek’s”🤓 a riot ! 😲 🤣😂🤣

[@kaynef6637]

Hello Ben , I love these cross over videos

[@marcgendron6745]

Good vid Ben , 👍👍

[@jamesgoss1860]

I'm a little bummed that 1886 got cracked out, those Redfield/Paramount slabs add nice toning over time, and that one was on its way.

[@BuckHypervisor]

I came here for the coins, I'm staying for the Qbert references. A good time as always, Ben.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

Well, that was interesting. I guess PCGS thought that Franklin wasn't a Bugs Bunny. It looked like one to me. Glad to see that your customer got some upgrades at least. Thanks!

[@shoeless1137]

Love these, very fun. Keep up the great content!

[@cgcoins3639]

That was fun 🎉 too bad about those last few, and be sure to thank your customer for us! Hope he'll have more crossovers in the future because I really like his collection!

[@CorbTheCoinBoi]

#500 on the like!

[@SouthSideFrankie]

I like the Silver Bullion Eagles, I have a 1989 as well.

[@don951]

Nice! He did well, I think. Cheers!!!

[@Chiknlitl]

The thing is, even on the ones that dropped a grade should be wins, because the PCGS coins will sell better than higher graded coins in the off-brand holders.

[@zachschindel3181]

But they look like every other coin in that grade now.

[@coinstruck6079]

Thanks Ben, always enjoy the crossover videos. It would be interesting to know what happens to the Benjamin Franklin, will you crack it out and resubmit? Kevin

[@professormr.doctor5442]

God Bless the Old Pueblo

[@jamesbryant6735]

I was the ' First ' to watch this video sweet. I really enjoy watching these type cross overs. By the way the 1955 half wasn't a bugs bunny that's why.

[@zachschindel3181]

Bugs/fs-901/fs-904? It’s all the same damn thing. A clashed die. Let’s not knit cherry pick, otherwise define your varieties better rather then stage A B C D. FS designations need to be done away with. Top 100 Top 50 varieties will be decided by the people collecting not a group of people deciding which ones grading companies should acknowledge. Just lazy on both parties.

[@shawn1744]

Thanks again. I love Franklins proof . deep cameo. even more hope tp buy one from you soon.

[@donaldinnewmexico]

Hi, Ben. Looks like, overall, you won. I wouldn't want to cross you! 🦉

[@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659]

Fun times and interesting results! I think they may have thought the Franklin wasn’t a bugs bunny

[@zachschindel3181]

They didn’t wanna bother. Could have still gave it the FS-904? Or whatever the cherry pick what we want called the other clash.

[@jimmycapps7263]

Anacs imo is the best graders out there in these times.

[@davidpeterson9062]

Someone has a lot of money. 90 % of items i would not have spent the grading fee. However ,great video.

[@zzyzxRDFwy15]

Thank you for allowing me to briefly live vicariously through your coin grading videos submissions and the demonstration of why coin grading is folly for most people. Coin grading opinions are like atomic bombs and playing horse shoes, anywhere around the truth is good enough. I'm surprised you didn't get PCGS' newest coin grading opinion of questionable color for any of the submissions.... and I'm still watching out for an Old Pueblo Coin or Alfred E Neuman round graded by PCGS as questionable color.

[@zachschindel3181]

It’s really laughable. They need another teir for grading. Fast and efficient. Here’s 12 dollars and a label I printed on my dot matrix with the date, please place coin in plastic and glue. Try not to mix up the labels. Ty.

[@tennesseecoinco]

Why would you take a Paramount Redfield holder and break out, value was in the holder. Also the early ANA holders bring a premium also.

[@joelp6197]

Yes they do bring a premium.

[@zachschindel3181]

For science!

[@RobertLee-wi5kc]

Why did it matter on the Bugs? Wouldn't they grade it even if they disagreed with the variety? Did you pay extra for the variety attestation? Thought you were crossing regardless of grade? Lot of money spent for MS60 81-S's

[@davidvandebrake8454]

Over all that wasn't a bad cross over even tho that was definitely a P.L at the least . But great video really enjoyed it.

[@joelp6197]

Nice coins, weird about the coins not slabbed, And when you paid to have it done.

[@sailfly2869]

I would never have a raw coin graded or even doing a crossover as a collector first. Don’t get me wrong but buying a coin that is already graded to me is a better investment in the long run. Another problem I see with some grading companies is what they are calling a CAMEO or even a DEEP CAMEO finish versus what PCGS shows, the coins I’m referring to are silver dollars from 1878 to current.

[@harrybond1485]

Hi Ben would you tell me please? Do you think that the presence of full torch bands matter on early business strike and proof Roosevelt dimes? Does it effect the grade? Thankyou

[@zachschindel3181]

Yes and no. It’s not applicable for proofs. Same with FBL or Full steps. But yes FSB or Torch can have big price increases on dates that are struck notoriously weak or worn out dies. I’m not sure they remember Roosevelt dimes have a strike designation at the numbering plants sometimes though.

[@silvertrooper6]

I would be curious as to what means PCGS & NGC use to crack open other grading company holders. I wonder if they use the same means of clippers and a screwdriver.

[@_CYB0RG_]

I use a hammer, hold the slab on its edge and go around it cracking the seams until I can open it up.

[@_CYB0RG_]

I’ve never heard of anyone using clippers and a screwdriver before.

[@zachschindel3181]

So about the dynamite.

[@zachschindel3181]

Has anyone actually tried applying acetone around the seams? 🤔

[@stephendinan5622]

How could anyone crack out a Redfield and then to top it off it didn't even get the pedigree on the label. That Redfield lost a ton of it's value to come back a regular MS 63.

[@markoverman9628]

Maybe because it's not a Redfield....just a Paramount coin. They did put their own coins in holders that were not Redfield.

[@rasbobbo]

Now what, send them off to CAC?

[@joelp6197]

Once you go CAC no turning back, ha ha ha .

[@kevinpoggensee]

Hey Ben

[@calzonemaniacsvideocorner0804]

Wonder why that '55 Bugs Bunny didn't cross?

[@スーツ社長-z2z]

I think 1881-S non-toned Morgan keep in the off-brand holder can sell a better price than PCGS MS62. Because these holders are rare in the oversea market.

[@sailfly2869]

My PCGS 1881-S in MS65 has a current value of $215 and in AU58 is at $67, my thoughts are isn’t it cheaper to buy a PCGS graded coin first versus the expenses of having it graded or even doing a crossover.

[@sailfly2869]

Another thought is are you buying the coin or the slab or in some cases the label on the slab coin. For sure PCGS is always desired by most collectors and sellers.

[@singlesideman]

'Posterity' is pronounced with a short 'o' only, as in 'stop' or 'clock'.

[@jdl.1234]

Its like the graders cant all good scores regardless, so they nitpick. For another test, I'd like to see that Franklin resubmitted, bet that comes back slabbed.

[@mjash01]

Fierst damageclooks like it was in a neckless mount

[@zachschindel3181]

Lots of environmental damage in this group of well traveled coins. Questionable crossovers to be sure. Beautiful coins. I love the photo certs, especially with the obverse grade and reverse grade.

[@donaldinnewmexico]

*FIRST*

[@donaldinnewmexico]

NOT!

[@kaynef6637]

Hello Donald how ya doing mate

[@typeviic1]

I am floored that the PGA slab didnt come back cleaned.

[@zachschindel3181]

That’s the reputation they have for sure. Didn’t get a real good look at it through the tone.

[@jppagetoo]

Wow, that '55 Franklin didn't cross? It wasn't even graded in the old holder. Is it a faked Bugs Bunny error? No clue... Unless it's "not genuine" it should be in a holder. The two Morgans should have crossed or at least as holdered "genuine".

[@Dr.silver_856]

It’s a shame to see the Ana and photocerts being cracked

[@zachschindel3181]

81s can be a PL61 and MS65 or anything in between. The most inconsistently graded coin I’ve ever seen. I would never grade one.

[@TiHerr74]

By my math, we were up a total of nine grades overall: 1 - 1878-S Morgan PGA MS60 (MS61) +1 1 - 1886 Paramount Morgan MS65 (MS63) -1 1 - 1958 Franklin Blanchard PR65 (PR67) +1 1 - 1960 Franklin PCI PR67 Deep Cameo (PR66) Even 1 - 1961 Franklin ICG PR63 (PR62) -1 1 - 1943 WLH ANACS ANA MS63 (MS64) Even 1 - 1937 Buffalo PCI Photo MS60 (MS64) +4 1 - 1957 Lincoln PCI Photo PR64 (PR66) +6 1 - 1955 Bugs Bunny Franklin Global BU (DNC) 1 - 1888-O Morgan INS MS65DMPL (MS64) +5 1 - 1897 Morgan INGS MS65 (MS65) +5 1 - 1989 ASE PCI Photo MS65 (MS69) +9

[@waphotos1498]

What did the "PGA" coin grade to ??

[@zachschindel3181]

From a Ms60 to a Ms61. I’m sure you take that pga to most LCS they would say it was cleaned and offer you 28. The more you know, or they don’t know.? Idk? Rainbow 🌈 💫

[@adamm2716]

i actually have a bunch of coin graded from pga are they legit?

[@chadbenner6316]

Hey

[@DIFowner]

I have been involved in the Numismatics Hobby for more than 60 years and have never heard anyone use the term, “skin” referring to a coins surface. The terms luster, and frost, are most common, never heard of skin.👎

[@zachschindel3181]

Original skin? Really. You’ve been in the game a lot longer than I’ve been alive so maybe it’s a relatively new term. I’m sure you’ve heard dipped? Blast white? Imagine a coin 100% original in the mint set, untouched for 20 years. It gets toned?/tarnish?/oxidation?/patina? Or whatever is the cats meow down at the gin joint. It basically means it’s un-“doctored”? Dipped. Which is what is done to any “blast white” coin that hasn’t shot off the press into a plastic airtight beer coaster. I’m not positive the exact date plastic was invented but anything before that at one point had “original skin” before polishing it with a silverware cloth while sitting by the RCAVictor tube radio. 👎. You’re statement reminds me of the old contractor who says “I’ve been doing this for 25 years “. My response is always, “well you been doing it wrong for 25 years then”. Maybe I’m wrong? I’m willing to learn from the errors of my ways and improve if so. Now get off my lawn.

[@tvoprosucks]

I BUY THE COIN. NOT THE HOLDER, THESE GRADING SERVICES ARE A JOKE

[@pennyondime95]

Crossover Should Not be Allowed let the same Coin Grading Company to Grade Correctly. No charge because of their Mistake. NUMERICAL Grade is just only an opinion of a Grader.. Buy the Coin not the Holder... Ha ha ha. 😂🎉

[@martin-fc4kk]

awesome results!

[@GravityXheavy]

The Morgans had slot machine damage from Vegas.