John Birch Society - Rise of Conservatism in the USA - Cold War DOCUMENTARY

[@TheColdWarTV]

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[@donotlike4anonymus594]

I most say I'm disappointed from you... While I've heard of this "far right" organization before I never cared all that much as to look into it but by the sound if it it's a very very very reasonable organizational pushing for very reasonable tight wing ideology... now we can disagree on some ideas/ideology but it's still by no means "far" right I just find that absurd... You need to get a grip man... You've been too closed off in the soviet far let's echochamber fantasy world... To put it in perspective mccarthyism right-far right Birch society center-righ Marxism far left Simple......... ok you get what I mean..

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I have to say, overall I think you were very fair in your coverage of the organization and its history! Although I am a little disappointed you didn't mention William F Buckley's influence on their loss in popularity, but perhaps that can be an episode of its own! Personally, I think a lot of what they feared were in fact things to be legitimately concerned about. There could be various possibilities to simply be warned about or looked out for (government finding excuses to gain more control over citizens in violation of the Constitution, conspiracies, backroom initiatives, or even legitimate debates about societal decay, etc). Their biggest continuous fault is that they build a conspiracy of possibilities and then present it almost assuredly as fact that's currently in motion. You just can't do that. Ultimately, there is the greater possibility then you not only get lost in your own ever increasing web, but you also very likely harm your ultimate mission laid out in the first place. Anyways though, good video.

[@Ed_in_Md]

I was born in 1950, so I’m old. I remember my father talking about the John Birch Society.. I don’t remember if he supported it or not. He avoided the subject when I asked about it so I never knew what the JBS was about. I do now though. Thanks very much.

[@chrissnyder2091]

Yes my experiences were very much the same the JBS was a ill-defined organization need a particularly good or particularly bad as far as I could tell

[@WillN2Go1]

Most people aren't 'joiners,' and find 'joiners' to be insufferable and usually hypocrites.

[@delusionnnnn]

​@@WillN2Go1 A box of MAGA hats, NRA t-shirts, and multi-level marketing starter kits would like a private word with you.

[@delusionnnnn]

Every now and then, you'll see a small number of "College Republican" types trying to either resurrect the John Birch society or the Lyndon LaRouche organization to some sort of modern respectability, but usually it's easier to just sell the set of beliefs individually rather than the whole package. They'll (rarely) show up wherever you can rent tables, sometimes even at things like art fairs.

[@WillN2Go1]

@@delusionnnnn Good observation. I'm pretty left wing, though I think of myself as more of a radical progressive. However, I think my basic instincts and impulses when I was young, a precocious 11 year old, were right wing (but anti-Nazi, 1960s obviously there were a lot of guys around who'd fought those bastards). By being interested enough to read, ask questions, listen to my grandmother and seek out understanding I never wound up a 'college Republican'. I think you're observation is a good one, they're tepid about what they actually stand for because they have no logical framework or actual historical basis to support it. What I noticed when we snuck in to frat parties to drink their beer is often some guy would come over and start talking smack about Blacks, Jews, Poles! (I'm part Polish), Italians! Seriously. When I told them to f* off, they didn't get mad, they just went away. This is why I think they don't get anywhere unless they're in numbers. They're just trying this nonsense on. What we should stop doing is letting them get away with it. It was reassuring that when that clearly fascist anti-Semitic gathering was held in Virginia a few years ago some of the guys who showed up on TV got chewed out by their families and fired from their jobs. We've seen a lot of nonsense since, but Tiki Torches haven't been sold out since.

[@aDimWit01]

Also note that the terms "Right-wing" and "Left-wing" were European terms that were practically unheard of in America until the John Birch Society propagated the term. Prior to the 1950's, the terms came up in English translations of European books or studies of European politics, but it was never used to describe American politics. Right-wing used to be defined as a rigid social hierarchy, largely associated with Feudalism, Monarchism, and Collectivism. While Left-wing was associated with social equality. Free market capitalism was classified as a left-wing concept in European politics. But the JBS created a new definition and propagated the idea that free market capitalism was Right-wing and collectivism was Left-wing. This idea became popular among American Conservatives but it didn't go mainstream until William F. Buckley, who hated the JBS, also began using it, which in turn meant Nixon and Reagan went on to use it.

[@hamishsutherland3926]

Very interesting. Where might I read more about that?

[@ravanpee1325]

Free market capitalism was never a left-wing project. On the contrary, left-wing (social democrats, socialist) and right wings (conservatives) were very against free market capitalism for different reasons. Left liberals and National liberals were more of a promoter for free market capitalism

[@tonybarrett8543]

​@ravanpee1325 free market capitalism was considered left-wing in Ireland, and many places in Europe until the 50s, 60s etc. depending on country. Many countries were corpartist, Ireland Catholic Corpartist. But with the rise of communism corparitism was supplanted by freemarket capitalism. US Americans to be fair really are very politically uneducated and don't know much about these things.

[@madmaxsmotorcycles]

I feel that capitalism is part of a free world not a communist Democratic Society. In a Democratic or communist Society the government owns and runs everything hence you will own nothing and be happy which is part of the Great reset of the wef. In a free world you can build a business and become successful. While I do agree some corporations have become too powerful getting into politics and paying the right people to push their policies. That's why we the people need to govern ourselves and keep our brothers and sisters in line. If you want to make a business and make billions that's great but don't go stepping on other people's toes and changing things to make our lives more difficult. That's just my opinion if you don't agree that's fine. That's the beautiful thing about the First Amendment and our freedoms in this country. Communism and dictatorship wouldn't allow me to write this comment of my own free will I would be arrested and probably murdered. So if you like sharing your opinion maybe you should look to the side of Freedom instead of communist Democrats

[@libertycoffeehouse3944]

Your analysis is not correct. The political spectrum of the founding fathers had anarchy (no government) on one extreme and unlimited government on the other extreme (totalitarian state). The political tradition of America was based on limited government, sovereignty of the people, written constitutions and Federalism. During the Civil War, we weakened Federalism. During the Progressive period, we stopped following the constitution and we got the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. The modern establishment media started using the European Political Spectrum. A conservative according to the media was okay with the reforms under Woodrow Wilson while a liberal was for big welfare government and equality. The John Birch Society taught people that the media was using the European Political Spectrum instead of the political spectrum of the Founding Fathers. You got confused.

[@yungdevi]

"just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you"

[@peacheswilliams4539]

The question is, Who's after you?

[@katey1dog]

@@peacheswilliams4539 The answer is simple. If you say the wrong thing, the FBI. If you forget a dollar at tax time, the IRS.

[@ulty1472]

@@katey1dog yeah just ask MLK. Oh wait the FBI killed him.

[@taWay21]

​@@katey1dog facts

[@marcyoverby3817]

THE SAD THING IS AMERICA 🇺🇸 DON'T KNOW THEIR HISTORY..

[@dinarocksyou]

When I was a kid we had a neighbor called John Birch. Always made my parents giggle, and I didn't realize why for many years...

[@joseevaniersel7280]

So they were part of the giggle defense corps? I wonder if they'd recognize how much the mainstream deep state is fulfilling all of JBS' predictions for the great reset..Do you?

[@RemnantMan]

John Birch actually met Col. Jimmy Doolittle in 1942 (not 1944) when missionary John Birch led the pilots to safety shortly after the "Doolittle Raid on Japan". U.S. Congressman Larry McDonald (D-GA), President of the JBS, was aboard KAL-007 when USSR attacked the Boeing 747 in International waters.

[@jonjahr3403]

I grew up in the Mormon Church (Though I have since left). Former Mormon leader Ezra Taft Benson who was president of the church from 1985 to 1994 was a member of the John Birch Society. He was also the former secretary of agriculture under Eisenhower and claimed to have met with Kruschev in that role. He often caused controversy with his views even promoting the idea that Integration was communist. He even wrote a book called "Communism and the Negro" to be clear the church has made much progress since then but has never really openly disavowed anything he said.

[@fantuswitt9063]

You dont know how much these far right fascists disgust me and how happy it makes me as an atheist that more and more good religious people (At least in most western countries) distance themselv from these disgusting views.

[@jonjahr3403]

@@fantuswitt9063 Thank you! And I totally not distanced myself from things Ezra Taft Benson said in regard to politics I totally disavowed his political views even when I was still an active believing Mormon. And even though the Mormon leadership is not supposed to use their position to officially endorse any political ideology (according to their own policies) he did many time's. And I got a lot of heat from other members because I dared to "question a prophet of God" nowadays I'm an agnostic but honestly I feel better than I ever have before.

[@caseclosed9342]

Interesting. But I guess it’s noteworthy that black men couldn’t enter the priesthood until 1978 so that probably shaped his view.

[@jonjahr3403]

@@caseclosed9342 That likely had something to do with it. But even after that it was still an issue. I had a friend who claimed to have been an intern at Church Headquarters in the 80's. And he claimed to have sat in on many a meeting where he said "The Brethren had to tell President Benson to tone down that kind of rhetoric"

[@JPJ432]

@@jonjahr3403 I did not know any of that so thank you. On a side note I always liked and respected President Hinckley and I have heard President Kimball was really good too but that was before my time.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

You guys should do a segment on Father Coughlin and the Christian Front.

[@emilymiller7827]

cosigning this

[@thomasvandevelde8157]

Don't know them, so count me in!

[@BruceRheinstein]

The Christian Front was discredited and ceased to be active in 1940. It's an interesting topic, but predated the Cold War.

[@caseclosed9342]

That’s before the Cold War…

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Actually he has been discussed. And yes this channel does produce videos that cover pre cold war events. In order to give context to what happened during the cold war.

[@romanclay1913]

In high school, I tore the lateral ligament in my left knee that required surgery. My parents found a local surgeon in Pasadena. On my first visit to his office, I was in his waiting room and looked for something to read. The only magazines he had were the John Birch Society, American Opinion and the Dan Smoot Report. Despite his political ideology, he performed my knee surgery perfectly and I have never had any problems with that knee.

[@frankkarvell]

So they haven't had a new idea in over 60 years?

[@victorcarter5263]

Play number one is stick with the crazy you know 😂

[@igordotnet]

Well conservatives aren’t known for changing

[@lilajagears8317]

Contempt prior to investgation, always from those that know nothing about the JBS.

[@Downey-2000]

The only advantage that communism has is massive illegal immigration .

[@christophereichten9005]

@@lilajagears8317You’ve shown yourselves to be reactionary crapbags. Why would we need to investigate you people any further?

[@joseaca1010]

That vietnam war thing is one of the most schizophrenic takes ive heard

[@BitchyHistory]

I nearly had a stroke doing to research for that part, HAH

[@jliller]

The right-wing fringe sure loves to imagine themselves as very clever by being able to unravel the 5-D conspiracy chess being played by its (largely imaginary) insidious globalist enemies. That's why Q is so popular.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I'm not going to lie, some aspects of that are worth fearing about. Nevertheless it's important to keep a level head.

[@Carewolf]

Haven't read any QAnon, yet? :D

[@Mr.Nichan]

The benefit of hindsight also shows it was a little bit backwards, in that, instead of China invading Vietnam and then the US siding with the Soviet Union, after the Vietnamese communists won, they were aligned with the Soviet Union, and then the US started cozying up to China. Vietnam then went to war with both China and its ally Democratic Kampuchea ("Khmer Rouge" Cambodia), with Soviet aligned countries backing Vietnam while the Western Capitalist countries indirectly backed the Chinese side by backing the monarchist/nationalist Cambodian rebels who were in fact working closely with the exiled Khmer Rouge and increasing trade with China while sanctioning Vietnam and ironically recognizing (or at least ensuring the UN recognized) Pol Pot's Democratic Kampuchea as the legitimate government of Cambodia throughout the 1980s rather than the Vietnam-installed People's Republic of Kampuchea and complaining about Vietnamese imperialism and Vietnamization of Cambodia.

[@Marpolo1991]

I first heard of the JBS through a book called Wrapped in the Flag. The author’s parents were founding members and was crazy to see that much of the rhetoric from back then is still I use today.

[@joseevaniersel7280]

By whom? You're probably targeting the JBS, but the deep state doesn't seem to have veered much from its course, nor its methods either, wouldn't you agree..? ^_^

[@owlbuquerqueturkey]

I've been fairly in touch with the counter culture for the last couple decades, since I've been nomadic. I associate a lot with hippies, Anarchists, punks, homeless, etc. Historically these groups have been left leaning, but in recent years I've seen many go full JBS, to the extent that they have much more in common with the far right. The Rainbow Family of Living Light is the biggest example that comes to mind.

[@jaymudd2817]

Biker gangs seem to have done likewise

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

You seem to be mostly hanging out with only certain types of counterculture.

[@jaymudd2817]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 only hang out with 12 steppers

[@owlbuquerqueturkey]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 my experiences are definitely subjective. I've also been mostly sticking to the west coast for the past ten years.

[@chaueter1041]

Within all countercultures, there’s always elements of fascist favouring sub groups. For both far left and far right, certainly share in being viscerally anti-US government. Occupy Wall Street was an example of left-wing populism counterculture, whereas the proud boys are an example of right-wing populist counterculture.

[@rakasin]

I've always admired Americans for their tenacity and will power. When they decide to become good at something, they immediately become the mf best. And so it went for American conservatives: with anticommunism, millions of Americans decided to go full retard. They've been the mf best at it ever since

[@throwback19841]

Never go full retard.

[@misstekhead]

Well, there’s no point in only going half “retard”. One must fully commit!

[@007kingifrit]

being anti communist is a good thing. you don't notice how dangerous they are right now in an age of peace. but soon.....

[@ridinwithjake]

You don’t have to have gone “full retard” to be anti-communist. I was born behind the iron curtain in the 70s so I am anti-communist because I experienced it. I prefer the American model any day.

[@andylindsaytunes]

@@007kingifrit Found one!

[@JamesAllmond]

I live in Macon, Ga. Used to live right down the street from John Birch's brother, went to school with his niece and nephew. He was known locally by his reputation, which was that of an asshole, made a real impression at Mercer University. (you all do understand sarcasm, right?) and that is exactly what got him killed in China, not his politics, not that he was an American, none of it, was because he was a jerk and he was a jerk to a bigger one with a gun. Let's just say he is not a subject of dinner conversation around here. While we have stuff named for Otis Redding, James Brown, Alexander Stephens, Jefferson Davis, MLK Jr, Duane Allman, Barry Oakley and Rosa Parks, not a damned thing is named after John Birch...

[@merriam259]

The lack of association in GA signs,highway names, etc. (besides the society named after him) speaks volumes

[@hallucinatedovens8414]

Nah, he was a nice guy, commies just engage in fraudulent mass defamation of political opponents. Just keep telling everyone hes "an a$$hole" and eventually enough people believe it regardless of the mans actual character.

[@DestroyerOfSense000]

From how they were described here, the JBS doesn't seem far right. Rabid anticommunism and generally socially conservative views aren't enough on their own to make a group far-right.

[@BruceRheinstein]

The Birchers were largely exiled from the larger conservative community when Goldwater was running for President. They were always around, but considered fringe. But, as others have commented, many of their ideas have reached greater acceptance in recent years, and the fringe has moved towards even more crazy -- like Qanon.

[@DimensionsofChange]

What caused them to get exiled during the Goldwater campaign?

[@BruceRheinstein]

@@DimensionsofChange Goldwater was afraid that the Birchers, and their crackpot theories, would damage his campaign, so in a meeting with National Review founder William F. Buckley, Jr., and Russell Kirk, author of The Conservative Mind, it was decided to attack Robert Welch and to expel the society from the conservative movement.

[@merriam259]

The PTA/School Board takeovers for nonsense like crt and sex-ed seem eerily similar to John Birch society tactics

[@Idahoguy10157]

@@merriam259 ….except CRT is a real things that teaches racial superiority and divides Americans by race

[@Idahoguy10157]

Here’s an aside. I had a college classmate who’s grandfather knew John Birch. The grandfather’s opinion was that John Birch wouldn’t want any association with the JBS

[@dudenoone1712]

Wow. I’m sold. Where do I sign up?

[@jesseberg3271]

There's nothing surprising about JBS style rhetoric resurfacing. Having won the Cold War, esentially by mistake, a US Conservative Movement that had built itself around the need to fight an apocalyptic World War 3 (which would, they told themselves, kill off their domestic opponents in the cities) found itself bereft of purpose. They could either disarm their rhetoric and accept victory, or embrace radical ideologies and conspiracy theories whereby the Cold War was actually lost, or at least still ongoing. Given how they had already embraced the level of extremism needed to see nuclear war as desirable, it's not surprising that they chose the more extreme option.

[@marianotorrespico2975]

Jesse Berg. -- Correct.

[@mou6854]

the hawkish neoconservative response to 9/11 was exactly a consequence of that.

[@jesseberg3271]

@@mou6854 you're right, it was an attempt to find new meaning in a world no longer defined by the Cold War. But it was always doomed to fail. There was no way that a group of small scale terrorist networks, most of them disconnected from each other and none of them with any ability to recruit non-Muslims, could ever fill the role "Global-Communism" had held.

[@bbmtge]

Nothing more than a political comment.

[@moniker2804]

@@bbmtge and? Political comments can be accurate historically.

[@michaelpatterson7798]

The more things change the more they stay the same.

[@DaveSCameron]

If you don't know you're history your life's a mystery! 😂

[@BSJinx]

Sadly, more like "stay insane." I had a barber who was a JBS member until just a few years ago. Otherwise decent fellow and knew when not to talk politics.

[@richardthomas598]

@@BSJinx Naw. There is no such thing as "otherwise decent." All of this stuff comes with toxic baggage. Even the worst sociopaths can be very charming, because they need to be.

[@lilajagears8317]

@@richardthomas598 What a sick and pathetic statement about an org. You obviously know little if anything about.

[@peacheswilliams4539]

The Devil never gives up, as we can see.

[@charlesnatt1832]

Respect to the channel. It’s impressive to see how well researched, scripted and presented these videos are especially considering the high volume of content

[@omalone1169]

6:50 what bio

[@caseclosed9342]

You didn’t even mention their chairman killed on Korean Airlines Flight 007 by the Soviets…

[@Ingsoc75]

Senator Jesse Helms was also supposed to be on that same flight with Representative Larry McDonald but decided to take another flight at the last minute.

[@cultofthevoid5677]

The guy making this video is probably a communist/leftist.

[@buoazej]

@@cultofthevoid5677 'probably'?

[@cultofthevoid5677]

@@buoazej Most likely.

[@dsmonington]

Right, like I want a wallet that needs a screwdriver shipped with it.

[@mikebaker2436]

Oh, John Birch Society... Why do I feel like the comments section on this one is going to be a dumpster fire? 🤣

[@chiensyang]

Dumpster fire? It will be more like nuclear explosion.

[@OverseerMoti]

Nuke explosion? I thought it would be more like a supernova later on.

[@BitchyHistory]

I knew that as soon as I started research for the episode, lol

[@mikebaker2436]

@@BitchyHistory ...and the society was not even something new. Before them, there were conspiratorial movements like the Know Nothings and the Anti-Masonic Parties. (but this is not that relevent to the Cold War.)

[@williamerazo3921]

@@OverseerMoti i thought it would be a big bang explosion

[@DK-ss1vu]

John Birch Society ideas are still alive and well in America. Elements of the left and right have grabbed onto their ideology.

[@joelpinckert]

World Economic Forum… the JB society wasn’t far off 😂

[@zoperxplex]

We are living under the victory of the John Birch acolyte Republican Party.

[@jamesstuart3346]

When the JBS endorsed Ronald Reagan for President, The Gipper quipped "just because they endorse me it doesn't mean I endorse them"

[@Carewolf]

That is a good reply.. Just shows how easy it would have been for Trump to distance himself from the endorsement from the neo-nazis.

[@Downey-2000]

Ronald Reagan was corporate capitalist .

[@chinesejohn812]

The John Birch Society is exposing the Master Conspiracy and even the great Reagan was too cowardly to explain it fully

[@youtubeisassho8834]

​@@CarewolfHe disavowed them publicly several times, despite the media repeatedly claiming he hadn't. I believe he called it "fake news".

[@Carewolf]

@@youtubeisassho8834Yes. He does that when he is lying.

[@eddo1983]

I live in Appleton, Wisconsin. I know where the JBS building is but never knew it was the headquarters. Interesting

[@alexkauff]

Did you also know it's McCarthy's home town?

[@evanmiller2570]

you live in an important place. That society has been proven right.

[@louisgiokas2206]

Although many of their views are out there, many of those you mention are very familiar today.

[@artie_rx]

Where do I sign up?

[@DaveDunlap-i7t]

Despite your left of center opinions your rubric is is incorrect the JBS has worked to preserve farmers rights and the fight against agenda 21 / 2030 as well as the unwanted non elected influence of the United Nations. Is warranted and our group has done much to bring a social awareness to these otherwise behind the scenes issues threatening American sovereignty. In an effort to establish an unelected world governance with the help of the World Economic Forum amungst other NGO’s working toward the globalization of world governance resulting in a non elected group taking the reins of policy over the UN’s “ member states “ the word member states infers that these states are no longer sovereign countries but rather subject “states” under a globalist hierarchy’s tyrannical control . Indeed many warnings sounded by the JBS. In the early years as described on your little show have come to fruition. Thusly the “ conspiracy “ of today becomes very much tomarow’s reality . Biased news is really just story telling to support a counter narrative. Good day sir !

[@lynnwood7205]

The John Birch Society transformed to gain effective control of both major political parties. When has there been any legislation antagonistic to Corporatist interests?

[@richardthomas598]

Anyone talking about "Both Parties" is a Republican.

[@lynnwood7205]

@@richardthomas598 That is why I continue to vote Democrat because without the Democrats getting back half of what the Republicans propose to take away we surely would be in a world of hurt. Oh my. Apologies for my micro aggressive use of pronouns. Huh, minor news, trivial, rumors of Credit Suisse default. Big deal. Just some foreign bank somewhere.

[@jliller]

"When has there been any legislation antagonistic to Corporatist interests?" Sherman Anti-Trust Act?

[@LackofFaithify]

@@jliller The one that was passed in 1890? Think that was a bit before jbs's time.

[@TheCat48488]

@@jliller how about in the recent 20 years?

[@williamkarbala5718]

How do you take a group that thought Charles De Gaulle was communist, seriously?

[@theeNappy]

My grandparents were John Birch Society members, really messed my mom up.

[@WillN2Go1]

Conspiracy nutters seek acolytes not results and get abusive when anyone doesn't follow the party line. Even when you don't disagree, they often start railing at you. Then everyone gets mad at you for setting them off. "All I said was, 'HI Al, how've you been?' What was I supposed to say?" Someone suggested, 'When Al says, 'Hello,' it's best to respond, "Shut the F up Al, we don't want to hear it."

[@DimensionsofChange]

Even though my grandparents were members, I never really looked into them before. It’s a shame this video wasn’t released in 2019. Looking back on a lot of what was mentioned (especially the bunk cancer cure), the far right’s response to the pandemic makes a little bit more sense now.

[@WillN2Go1]

The bunk cures, and endless stream of them, probably back for a hundred years... and they never learn. (There was once a doctor on liberal KCRW who just would not shut up about Laatrile (amygdalin mentioned in the video. More people are familiar with the name laatrile.) How many people died of cancer going to fraud clinics in Mexico instead of a U.S. Oncologist? It's not even that they get suckered, they seek out this gimcrack nonsense. Whenever anyone mentions they're not vaccinated against Covid or that it's a conspiracy I ask them if they've had it. All of them - 'but it wasn't that bad.' (Tell that to the million Americas dead from it.)

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Keep in mind, it's not good on your part to start randomly connecting dots either.

[@TheCat48488]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 unfortunately historical context said the same thing...

[@analyticalinsight]

​@@robertortiz-wilson1588 why is that

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@analyticalinsight dingbat political actors and their followers claimed any rando online pushing false cures was "far-right" even when they weren't. While eventually calling anyone who demanded an end to the stupid universal lockdowns, excessive masking when N-95 masks were the only ones that actually worked for a virus, repeated shot mandates for middle-aged adults, teenagers, and children When it had already been clear only delete elderly individuals when the danger zone from dying due to covid-19, Mandating and demanding businesses and teams fire uncompliant individuals despite them being perfectly healthy, etc "far-right" and "unscientific" Even when the establishment voices were repeatedly proven to be counterfactual in their flip flopping recommendations or data. That was the problem. If it was up to them and the people who kept listening to them, we'd still be doing periodic lockdowns and mandates for a third year.

[@charlesvLauricella]

You’ve sold me. I’m joining the JBS. They got it right then, and it’s still right now.

[@scottoman]

got what right exactly?

[@america3744]

@@scottoman Everything except the Vietnam quote. They were only 25% right with that one.

[@scottoman]

@@america3744 there are 5 official communist countries left in the world. the largest communist party on earth is supported by only 10% of its population. the communist party of usa peaked in the late 1940s with over 75k members, but today has maybe 5k if that & zero political power or representatives in congress. this was part of a move on the right to get votes by pitting americans against themselves & playing on their irrational fears. instead of rooting out communists, it worked as a kind of psyop that effectively made large swaths of the US population question their neighbor's americanism in place of an invisable boogieman that's never named. it is devisive at its core & had a very specific agenda. it's not a coincidence that the John Birch Society eventually moved its headquarters to the hometown of Senator Joseph McCarthy, either, the leader of the second Red Scare... same ruse; different day.

[@america3744]

@@scottoman none of this proves jbs wrong but ok

[@scottoman]

​@@america3744 it does. time, i.e., actual history, has proven virtually everything they've posited wrong. communism is virtually extinct. hence, it all makes zero sense in hindsight, like still believing "9/11 inside job." that was AJ' work. as a kid, he was inspired by None Dare Call It Conspiracy, a book by JBS. same ruse; different day. JBS' ideas literally contradict everything the father of modern capitalism/economics once preached. they're an extension of the isolationist American First movement that supported AH during WW2, & later the failed Libertarian Party & Tea Party. or, please provide actual examples that you can prove are accurate & correct, which demonstrate that the JBS was/are historically "right" according to your beliefs with supporting evidence. don't just say it, substantiate it.

[@skylaneav8r902]

I feel validated in returning the Ridge wallet I got for Christmas. The fact that Ridge Wallet would sponsor a POS video such as this speaks volumes.

[@fm5280]

Thanks for the endorsement of the John Birch society. Very based.

[@RicTrexell]

I'm a member of the JBS and agree with much of what was said, however some of the reasons for their opinion on subjects were not what I've heard. For example, what was said about moving the HQ to Appleton, Wisconsin was not accurate. They wanted a new president and the best choice told the JBS that he would not be president as he had a business in Wisconsin. So they moved. I profess to be a Christian, and would not be a part of the JBS if they were anti-Christian. I'm reading the book The Politician and what it says about Ike is very interesting. So many things have happened that are not answered by our government. When Korean 007 was shot down with Rep. Larry McDonald on board, there were not any bodies found. We (the U.S.) did not demand anything like return of the bodies or allowing us to raise the plane. Too deep they said, but a few years later the Russian sub Kursk sunk and bodies were recovered from that sub which was in deeper water than the plane. Hey, items were removed from the Titanic which is two miles down. During the Vietnam war, the U.S. sent aid to communist Poland which went to Russia and then to N. Vietnam. The list is endless. I know of no other organization that comes close to fighting communism. Oh, one more thing. He said the JBS thinks there are those that want a world government. Well, if not, what is the purpose of the United Nations? You can hear many of the JBS tapes right here on KZbin. Look into it and form your own opinions, don't even take my advice or this speaker. I think you will join with us if you do. Ric Trexell Berlin, Wi.

[@thomasward5833]

in 1985, after Robert Welch died, that his widow parted with JBS over their criticisms of President Reagan

[@franciscovarela7127]

Craziness and lies are always with us, only their intensity varies over time.

[@leanthom4825]

I’m a member and never got my blue book. Nothing you said made me do anything but love them more!

[@milesjolly6173]

Bob Dylan wrote a good song about the John Birch society

[@seangleason260]

It's insane to call the jbs a far right group, that's literally insane

[@cataphracts123]

Pretty out there for 1950s in a lot of ways, but it's hard to argue that a lot of what they feared has come to pass in a lot of ways.

[@GrinderCB]

Growing up in the 70's, there was a John Bircher that lived next door to us. Very reasonable man, his main thing was that he didn't want our country to be subordinate to the U.N.

[@derpeth2101]

lol the UN is subordinate to the US

[@randomlynamed3353]

Ha, I think your neighbor could have been my dad. Going through this video with just knowing the name from him thinking he was either indifferent or vocally against these things (especially the racist stuff) wondering why he associated at all with them until the UN came up and was an immediate "ohhhh, that's why". Christ old man, surely you could have found a conservative group that was against the UN that didn't have all this other stuff attached.

[@nomobobby]

@@randomlynamed3353 Um, who else is against the US In the UN? For those who claim it as a core belief are probably few and far between. Save for the super evangelicals who swear it's the beast of revelations who likely have much of the same baggage.

[@tomfrazier1103]

@@nomobobby I am skeptical of the U.N., but not viscerally opposed to it. Their recommendations need to be taken with a grain of salt, and their legislative influence on the U.S. should be near nil.

[@ulty1472]

@@tomfrazier1103 it is. the UN isnt as effective as people think it is they cant even stop wars

[@tonymschmitz]

Jbs is right. Still right

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Angry white Boomers: JBS/Qanon/Hitler were right about everything! Normal person: What were they right about, specifically? Awb: **blank stare**

[@sonsofgideon5112]

@@williamjameslehy1341 Your blank stare goes with your blank mind. Wake up.

[@jenb7756]

I believe that Welsh was a fan of the protocols if I remember correctly

[@padawanmage71]

*Presses button* “I’ve done my part!” 😂🎃

[@lamars2486]

Hey what was the group that preceeded the Birchers, formed around 1915 with Fred Koch who was the man idea guy? I can't remember their name anymore. I think they supported Emma Goldmans splinter group. She was used as a pawn I think.

[@melskilove]

Many of the Language and attitudes still relevant today you see in the language!

[@marcyoverby3817]

NOTHING KNEW UNDER THE SUN..😊

[@hanshart314]

Listen to Robert welch mind blowing speech 1958. They told us to buy gold when it was 30 $ a ounce. Enough said.

[@georget8008]

McCarthism did not start in the USA before the 50s. From 1945-1948 the American public opinion was still seeing the Soviets as their allies at the war against nazism. Attitudes started to change after the Berlin blockade. Anti communism prevailed in American society after the summer of 1949, when the 1st successful nuclear test from the USSR, showed that a ring of soviet spies had infiltrated and worked in the USA. The Korean War, the unprovoked attack of the North to the South and later the Chinese intervention as well as the provocative and offensive stance of the USSR, against the USA and the West in general, gave the final blow. Thus, the American anticommunism of the 50s, was not irrational or unjustified, as the liberal left claims (especially the European left).

[@AgusSimoncelli]

"unprovoked" lol 😂 I now see why they say American public education is bad

[@georget8008]

@@AgusSimoncelli 1. what exactly was the provocation the Americans did that caused the north to invade in south Korea? Perhaps the declaration of free elections by the Americans, after the consistent refusal of the communist north to agree on a plan for panKorean elections? 2. I am not American. 3. Haven't you learnt anything from the blood stained history of communism throughout the 20th century? Do you still support that criminal ideology?

[@mikeomatic9905]

There was a huge communism worry in the late 1910s too. The first Red Scare.

[@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401]

But rights

[@DennisProductions]

John Birch sends his regards.

[@hashimawan2433]

Who remembers Gary Allen ?

[@WillN2Go1]

Growing up in the US in 1960s the John Birch Society existed only as a punchline for jokes. "McCarthyism" was discredited. But our parents were all anti-communists. (What's interesting is that we were a bit dubious. What I figured out by the time I entered college in 1974 was communism was indeed awful, but that we were taught such a boogieman version of it it made us suspicious. The work of Robert Conquest, later Solzhenitsyn were worse than what we'd been taught but legitimate. I don't think any of us would've become communists had we been allowed to know how rapidly the Soviet economy was growing until 1970. I've met only a couple of post 1970 communists - they just seemed nutty.) The long quote at 8:45 is classic. Drop in 'abolitionist,' United Nations, the Q Anon nonsense, 'liberal Democrat' and you have the repeated outline of right wing conspiracy nonsense. Over and over again it's discredited only to reappear in a new form of conspiracy boogieman nonsense. Many of those adopting the new nonsense will dismiss the old nonsense - even though it's the same thing. And the federal government is always the perennial problem. Then the reactionaries get to run it for 8 to 12 years and.... nothing changes. So all these right wing conspiracy movements are seen by anyone with an education as idiotic, but to money and business interests they're exploited as useful. The UN symbols replacing Christ in Christmas is from UNICEF soliciting donations during the winter holidays (in the U.S. Not sure about anywhere else.) Welch mentioning all the hours he spends studying. None of this would be original source material, legitimate history -- it would all be more of the same reductionist circular logic nonsense. The JBS opposition to the Vietnam War parallels the current strain of opposition to aiding Ukraine in the Republican Party. Are these logical positions? Who actually benefits from them?

[@andreidarie4076]

If we look at how history has played out since, I would say that the JBS wasn’t very far off with their predictions.

[@WillN2Go1]

@@andreidarie4076 Seriously?? Eisenhower was a communist agent? America's involvement in the Vietnam War a commie put up job? LBJ was trying to impose tyranny on the U.S.? (So what part of control, repression and tyranny is "My poll numbers are dropping, I should make a dignified exit from the 1968 election' ? or Johnson's brilliant and principled support for Civil Rights legislation? 'It was the right thing to do, but we've lost the South for a generation.') The Birchers and the Right conspiracy people are very much like Stalin: they invent bogiemen, go after them, while completely ignoring what's actually happening. Stalin persecuted, imprisoned and executed millions as 'British spies.' The thinking is not a single one of them ever spied for MI 6. We're going through another spate of "Oh dear the Federal debt is climbing, Biden is killing America...' Except the debt is down, and not one of these idiots have ever said, "Why can't we get back to when Clinton eliminated the deficit, started paying down the debt and had federal revenue surpluses?" People like the Birchers fail at reality, then they hire someone like me to fix what they refuse to understand. In a generation they do a reset and pretend that all the liberal reforms they now embrace were always that way, but anymore of them is a communist conspiracy. Why do they never send their social security checks back? Why do they accept Medicare but always oppose universal health care coverage?

[@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401]

Some gone wrong

[@tomfrazier1103]

I only vaguely heard of UNICEF donations being promoted for Halloween. My little kid libertarianism made me suspicious, and no grownups pushed it on us.

[@kimobrien.]

Whats gone is the counterfeit communism of the Stalinists.

[@blitzkriegfritz2779]

Well looking back at that time and seeing how things turned out. I must say that we owe McCarthy and the John Birch Society a big big sorry. Because they were 100 Percent right about it.

[@kimobrien.]

Right about what?

[@keeganyocum3300]

@@kimobrien. everything

[@blitzkriegfritz2779]

@@kimobrien. you wouldn't get it

[@kimobrien.]

@@blitzkriegfritz2779 The Bircher's see everything as a communist conspiracy because the see the class struggle itself as a conspiracy against the capitalist bosses. They see the capitalist system as ordained by God and their role as defender of faith in American capitalism. They fear the UN and international organizations because the fear the inevitable loss of sovereignty caused by conflict in the world market and foreign trade.

[@kimobrien.]

@@blitzkriegfritz2779 What you don't get is their can only be one master race and nation not multiple. So as far as the American Imperialist are concerned tour Deutschland loving Fascists have no place but as second fiddle in George Bushes "New World Disorder.". Its every boss for himslf as the global capitalist version of the Titanic begins to sink.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Nice video

[@dsnodgrass4843]

The Chad Mitchell Trio summed them up quite nicely in a song in the mid-1960s. Especially the "lots of tools and cranks" part.

[@coldwar45]

Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the right!

[@Patriot-oi7mj]

The John Birch Society is still going strong, I can't say the same for those leftist morons.

[@Matt-to3jo]

How do I join?

[@chenyaolu4213]

18:20 Wow, we also have similar sayings-- "Let's think about starving people in Ethiopia, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, you shouldn't complain, you should be grateful to our great glorious correct Communist Party of China, right?"

[@bonholio0o]

Thanks for putting this stuff together. I thought it was very constructive argument. Although I don't agree with you on all criticism such as sex ed, xmas raid, ivermectin, women right, civil right, etc.. Rather than me defending, I'll just go sign up for JBS membership right now. Where do I start?

[@thevoid5503]

The local looney bin should be a good place to start.

[@Andrew-cn7zy]

8:44 the blue book gotta be a response to mao zedong’s release of the red book 💀💀💀

[@Retroscoop]

Did they also consider Nixon as a Communist, given his Ping Pong diplomacy and the signing of the ABM treaty with Russia in 1972 ? What about Reagan, who signed the INF treaty with that friendly looking Gorbatchev ?

[@403Pantera1]

As an Albertan, I support the John Birch Society. They do fantastic work and are heavily focused on historical events. Love the JBS, proud supporter.

[@redfletching]

Those conspiracy theories you ridicule turned out to be true didn’t they? What does that say about you?

[@gwenynmel5682]

And it seems we got the JBS wrong. Like most of history

[@JayeEllis]

I mean, I'm all for State's rights and all, but don' the states still have to comply with Human Rights and the Constitution?

[@williamchamberlain2263]

"States' rights" is unfortunately a common dog whistle for Jim Crow.

[@jliller]

People have rights. States do not have rights. States exist only as convenient division of goverment organization between the national level and the county level.

[@SaintlyAussie]

Hell no. I have rights - not you. (Essentially the JBS manifesto in a nutshell)

[@philspurling6414]

Yes!

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I have to say, overall I think you were very fair in your coverage of the organization and its history! Although I am a little disappointed you didn't mention William F Buckley's influence on their loss in popularity, but perhaps that can be an episode of its own! Personally, I think a lot of what they feared were in fact things to be legitimately concerned about. There could be various possibilities to simply be warned about or looked out for (government finding excuses to gain more control over citizens in violation of the Constitution, conspiracies, backroom initiatives, or even legitimate debates about societal decay, etc). Their biggest continuous fault is that they build a conspiracy of possibilities and then present it almost assuredly as fact that's currently in motion. You just can't do that. Ultimately, there is the greater possibility then you not only get lost in your own ever increasing web, but you also very likely harm your ultimate mission laid out in the first place. Anyways though, good video.

[@Greg-yu4ij]

Ditto. Whatever real conspiracies are in progress dwarf the imagined conspiracies of JBS. Civil Rights are great, but they snuck in the welfare state which destroyed the black family. By the 1990s millions of black fathers were imprisoned, millions of black mothers bore children out of wedlock and it all started with welfare, which is great, but it brought with it government control which took away benefits if the father stayed home and earned a living. So we see a devastating effect but the cause being deliberate is anyones guess

[@GamingPlus10]

@@Greg-yu4ij your comment makes it sound like you're saying it's great all the black fathers ended up in prison.

[@ggtt2547]

Very interesting episode. Top quality, thank you! Feels like the John Birch Society was the mentor of many of today's far right and libertarian conspiracies and fantasies!

[@curtwuollet2912]

And a premonition of the marxist left Democrat movement today.

[@ggtt2547]

@@curtwuollet2912 Your overall argument is just silly. Like burning down the house because you saw an insignificant spider. Extreme left is insignificant today like the spider. Unlike extreme right which threatens to take over whole western countries.

[@curtwuollet2912]

@@ggtt2547That's strange, it seems like the majority in those countries view this as redemption. It's odd that elections are seen as anti democratic.

[@andreidarie4076]

You can’t even call many of those conspiracies as theories anymore, many have been validated by this point. If we look at how history has played out, it seems the JBS wasn’t very far off with their predictions.

[@youtubeisassho8834]

90 IQ take, but okay...

[@AiluridaeAureus]

So basically they were a group of slightly more stable Alex Jones types with a stupid name.

[@youtubeisassho8834]

Yeah, except for the fact that communism was popular among the least useful members of society in the 70's and even still today... so they were absolutely correct.

[@youtubeisassho8834]

Oh, and seeing as pesticides were making 🐸 🌈, proving Alex correct, I guess your comment has some truth to it as well, even if ironically inadvertent.

[@lamars2486]

15:41 were the koch brothers out of the oil business by then? Because war makes oil companies a lot of money.

[@ixlzz]

"Why, I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church And I ain't even got a garage You can call home and ask my wife!"

[@janvanhoyk8375]

Love that fucking song

[@zacharythompson6189]

Just a modern addendum to make here @9:55. I recently attended a presentation of the JBS on the Convention of States or the Article V movement. And they in fact asserted an anti-states rights viewpoint in the literature and brochures handed out post-presentation. First the Article V for those interested states: “The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.” Relevant here is this part “or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof” Article V empowers the states to call conventions to propose further limitations on the national government through the represented and proposed amendment process of the majority of state legislatures. The JBS on the other hand is firmly against states rights used in this way. Their literature and own words promote the repealing of the Article V clause allowing the state legislatures to propose amendments. This is highly irregular for an alleged conservative organization to call for such strengthening of the nation convention. So do your own research friends. The organizations’s founding claim of supporting states rights is fundamentally opposed by their Owen actions and words to this very day, it is not a states rights position to argue for the removal of the states rights to call a convention for amendments. And in seeking the repeal of an original stipulation of the Constitution, the organization is actually fundamentally opposed to both Textual and Originalist jurisprudence. So friends do your own research and make up your own minds that’s all I have to say.

[@Retroscoop]

Most of the text red here is in fact the Wikipedia article.....

[@austinbaker3220]

they are against anything good

[@CarterShaw]

Wrong

[@michaelburke6871]

The ivermectin story makes me want to rethink the cancer treatment. JBS!

[@therogerseses]

Please mention the biggest contributors:. the Koch family.

[@philspurling6414]

The Koch son's are not even conservative anymore. They voted for Hill's, I believe as well. The Father was, the son's were for some time. They are not populists.

[@v_iancu]

13:08 - JBS spitting truth.

[@nilayshrivastava4596]

what is the soundtrack being played in the background at the end of every video?

[@lamars2486]

3:46 funny thing those "missionaries" lots of foreigners talked about how after they showed up, the communists came. 😮

[@andyreznick]

No communists were found at this bell button, *and we checked under the sink. All clear.

[@zhubajie6940]

I see where the MAGA get their playbook from. I never thought Republicans would be against NATO and Pro-Russian authoritarianism but they had simply adopted JBS isolationism word for word.

[@widescreennavel]

It's going to make me sick if and when they take over, they will extract as much wealth from Ukraine as they can, appease and stall as the great people of Ukraine suffer and die. Vote Blue, Slava Ukraine>

[@06hurdwp]

In western countries it's overwhelmingly the left that is pro-russia

[@widescreennavel]

Cray cray?

[@chriss780]

being against Nato, the nazi organization that mass murdered Libyans, is a good thing and whose central members slaughter Iraqis and afghans for decades is a good thing. you should ask yourself why you're more pro-war mongering than outright reactionaries.

[@chriss780]

@@widescreennavel yeah

[@brianfleury1084]

Aaarrgghh! LA-TRILE??? really? The cure for cancer that was provided in clinics in Cuba, made from peach pits if I remember correctly, was Laetrile and is pronounced "LAY-A-TRILL" thank you very much. After he mispronounced Phyllis Shafly's name (it's pronounced "SHAFF-LEE" not "SHAFE-LEE") followed by his mispronunciation of Laetrile, I had to comment. I guess you had to be there.

[@kingofmphs]

Modern times have shown The John Birch Society to be spot on!

[@zico739]

Found the fascist.

[@swmark78]

@@zico739 That's why no one ever talks about "fascist infiltration". They are always loud and proud.

[@lamars2486]

Hey do one documentry on the opium history of china and "the missionaries" 😮

[@rickhall9392]

The JBS theories have all basically came true. Pretty good track record. To bad our elected representatives didn't heed the signs that were glaringly obvious.

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

Nut case

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

How did the Vietnam theory come true? It literally didn't And the talk of one world government is nothing but conspiracy talk, you can't just call general cooperation between nations in the 21st century "a one world government" Sexual liberation wasn't a theory, by the 70s the writing on the wall was clear, yes societies since then have become more and more sexually liberal but that's not the fault of communism (interestingly communist states back then and now are socially conservative) that's the work of social liberalism

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Name one. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[@ReprobiCrucesignati]

The Blue Book is like The Little Red Book?

[@Jay-ho9io]

Yes

[@jliller]

All the more reason the US needs to reverse its modern Red and Blue nomenclature. Republicans even have a ready made slogan because the Venn diagram of people with "Back The Blue" bumper sticks is circle within a slightly larger circle of people who devoutly vote Republican.

[@SaintlyAussie]

Yes, and both require love and devotion.

[@sprsmoke]

Joe McCarthy was the last honest Senator.

[@DaveSCameron]

Some Dave Emory overtones here 👍

[@lamars2486]

7:56 this is the man who started the whole rumor about Eisenhower being a communist, BUT Nixon was the guy in china at the time, NIXON that the Birchers loved, to this day! 😂😂

[@philspurling6414]

They hated Nixon too. We had to do research on this in UNI. Trust me, they hated Nixon, for what it's worth.

[@tonyspamoni5641]

time is a flat circle man

[@luvellecummingsiii9438]

He was only 27 years old

[@7urb1]

And every day they're being proved correct ...

[@triptych-dialogue]

Could this work to fight extremism? I have interviewed close to 200 random people for the Triptych Dialogue project where I ask fundamental political questions to random people. Although I thought I would get talk of civil war when I started the project the results have been far different. People may be disillusioned and fear further polarization but overall they have expressed wishes for reconciliation and hope. As I post new videos of the interviews and re-listen to the interviews I realize that my project is coming forward with messages that are in opposition to what is often read on social media which thrives on spreading fear. We will see what happens with the next batch of interviews as I post them. So far no one has mentioned the John Birch Society although some seem to be sympathizers on another kind...

[@RidgeWalletYT]

Team Forged Ember 🔥

[@currypablo]

Pre cursor to MAGAism!

[@robertbrodie5183]

think you could *maybe" should counterpoint this with the coldwar period far left organizations

[@gr6373]

Yeah and they can make snotty quips like "not so dissimilar from today" or "sounds familiar, doesn't it"

[@SaintlyAussie]

That would be a different video. I don't watch a documentary on Disney to understand Marvel characters

[@youtubeisassho8834]

​@@SaintlyAussieDisney owns Marvel so said documentary wo... nevermind...

[@CarterShaw]

They sound so cool