The Most Hated Commanders of All Time | Saltiest Commanders | EDH | Magic the Gathering | Commander

[@dlvyn123]

*When your only two commander decks are the top two saltiest* “Am I the baddy?”

[@zachforbis4752]

Yes. Yes you are.

[@Tyranitar-hd6hi]

Just because you are bad guy does not make you bad guy

[@dlvyn123]

@@Tyranitar-hd6hi thank you, Tyranitar2014 Grimm. I needed your reassurance

[@Tyranitar-hd6hi]

@@dlvyn123 i mean as long as you have malice in your heart then we good homie

[@haleyzorn8745]

I have Derevi as one of my potential commanders and already have one friend who has outright said he will refuse to play against her if I build her the typical “stacks” way. :| I just got her because I love her art and character design, I had no idea she was a salty commander.

[@pkphantom]

Yeaah, almost every one of my buddy's favorite cards and commanders are on this list...I think I need a new best friend 😒

[@Kazz1187]

Hahaha, well, you play with who you want to play with :P

[@pkphantom]

@@Kazz1187 I reconsider my position on this everytime I have to sludge through 2 decks playing with stax themes in every game, but my friends are my playgroup. I don't pick my friends based on their magic preferences 😓

[@W.edgewargames]

@@pkphantom build land destruction and keep them from play stax, that's what I did to my playgroup members that kept playing stax/combo t-4/5

[@guillermogomez7429]

pkphantom I feel your pain.

[@dittmar104]

Just convince him to make narset group hug

[@hatjousuke]

My friend has an Atraxa deck. It's charge counters. It's a cool build.

[@crumpyy4072]

Never thought i would see a jojo reference on a magic the gathering vid

[@ninetails6218]

Eyyyyy Josuke Got a deck list?

[@darkrai205]

mine has a atraxa plainswalker deck

[@FlawlessRhythmGG]

I have an energy/experience Atraxa build. It's fun and it really throws new people off.

[@johndobson8394]

So does my friend. I built a URO deck from command zone and i hope that deck can take him out now lol

[@captainflapjax7240]

Just wanna point out that nearly all of these are Blue and White, proving that Azorius is the saltiest combo, and why U/W control makes people sad in any format.

[@TheFu3lman]

This. It takes a special kind of asshole to play those colors and enjoy it. I'm one of em :D

[@RiseInAfterlife]

And then you throw black in there to play Esper and are basically asing for your opponent to hospitalize you.

[@megamonVCG]

Captain Flapjax not a much as a locust god deck without Elish norm on the battlefield

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

That’s because the best way to play magic is to watch the other people not play magic :D

[@ninetails6218]

Zakana You haven’t experienced a battlecruiser game then, shits a blast

[@mth4456]

See, people get mad when I flip Atraxa, but then when they realize it's an Atraxa Sagas deck they stop caring. Until I play Fall of Thran and The Mending of Dominaria together and its max salt.

[@JUSTINBURPER666]

Phyrexian scriptures and fall was a standard combo I played. Salt ensued

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I have a similar thing when people see I'm playing Rikku of Two Reflections.... then see that I'm just trying to run him as an energy commander, and stop caring.... I spend the game creating lots of servos and thopers, then suddenly cast and copy an overrun effect and everyone wonders what just happened.

[@treydinoto4624]

Eww, i love it

[@jinxed7915]

I'll do you one better: Kiora Bests The Sea God.

[@thomaswhite3059]

Atraxa 😔 Sagas 😳 Fall of the Thran and Mending 🥵

[@karenwest6350]

To sum it up: The saltiest commanders are the ones that do a really good job of locking your opponents out of the game and helping you win hard, so hard that they kinda break the social contract if your playgroup isn't ready for it.

[@nikounourbakhsh8433]

Yea I run the locust god and anyone I play absolutely hates it cus it’s not a threat but then if I get cards like sage of the falls it’s an immediate win😅

[@DeepCDiva]

I love how most of these Commanders are very ruthless, with tons of answers and focusing on shutting down any plays your opponent might make and then... You have Skithiryx. He turns sideways. BEHOLD THE POWER OF PLAYER REMOVAL!

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

Opponent: *dies to removal* Also oponent: You weren't supposed to do that.

[@ferdithetank7535]

Skittles the Candy Dragon.

[@taylormatic]

I don't have an issue with Skithiryx per say, my whole issue is infect in commander. I still think they need to adjust the infect rules for commander. In regular constructed where your life total starts at 20 10 infect makes sense, but in a 100 card format where your starting life total is 40 it makes no sense that it still would only be 10 infect and you lose

[@DeepCDiva]

@@taylormatic Infect's fine. While it is more powerful in Commander and is a possible feel-bad due to quick elimination, Infect still struggles to close out games - It still needs to do 30 poison damage total - and is one of the few viable combat strategies in the format(And has all of the weaknesses of a combat strategy, like removal, sweepers, fog, etc.). The life total in Commander being doubled isn't as important as the fact that Infect creatures have been balanced around dealing ten damage to win. They're mostly small, often overpriced creatures that rely on dedicated builds and having their already small pool of cards in a 100-cards Singleton format doesn't help them either. Infect's fine, it's far from overpowered, just an understandably frustrating way to lose.

[@Slo-Mode]

@@taylormatic except because there are usually 3 opponent's you have to do 30 damage instead of 10 to win the game now. Which is way harder to do especially when you factor in that your opponents are at 3x your resources to do that damage (Mana, card draw, priorities, ect.)

[@sashabeck544]

I found you through my friend and honestly I couldn’t be any happier. I’ve already made a Karametra deck based off of your video and it’s quickly becoming my favorite.

[@a-mistery-manjoshua2713]

Thats me. XD

[@TheMovingGrass]

Playing K'rrik (in that lovely deck you made a few months ago, with some slight upgrades) has definitely put a target on my head as soon as he gets on the field.

[@kdastronaut171]

Austin Haire yep I immediately go for a Kirk player b4 they hit there sanguine exquisite

[@donovanwalker7908]

It's amazing how many people fear K'rrik. At my LGS most people have strong decks. My K'rrik deck plays very few creatures. It is a storm build. The deck itself storms off with Divining top, bolasas citadel and eatherflux reservoir.

[@GenghisKhanner]

Donovan Walker that’s exactly the build people hate with K’rrik. If you’re running reservoir, you’re playing the hated K’rrik deck. The big ass creatures deck is the playable version.

[@CID5202]

Honestly, my worst commander to play against is krenko, mob boss... That, skirk prospectors and umbral mantle is just nasty... The reason i know this is because i run it... Infinite mana and 1/1s is awful.

[@krenkoedhdeck4688]

My first deck was a krenko deck and that is so true

[@krenkoedhdeck4688]

Mr. Mammuthus Africanavus I use mob boss

[@savitararcanis2143]

Yes!!! The mob boss will rule

[@liamcolotti6824]

E. Easily and tin street king pin is annoying too

[@Nharzhool]

Works with Aggravated Assault instead of Umbral Mantle as well.

[@pawns2prizes]

I think chulane will have a place in this list in the future.

[@Macaroni139]

My friend plays chulane. I swear he draws his entire deck into jace or lab maniac on turn 5. Every. Single. Time

[@pawns2prizes]

@@Macaroni139 yeap I've been seeing some nasty chulane decks lately.

[@NitrousOxide72]

Him and Alela

[@olafthemoose9413]

@@NitrousOxide72 alela isn't toxic Imo. Yes the stax deck can be annoying but I actually like playing against stax. It's like accepting a challange. Sure if there's a highly tuned cEDH alela stax deck vs 3 casual battlecruiser decks nobody will have fun but as long as the decks are on a similar powerlevel I don't get mad at my opponent for his deck or playstyle. PS: removal is the key to winning

[@faerie7dragon]

More like Chulame, am I right?

[@MileHighMonroe]

My last playgroup literally played ALL of these commanders. That’s probably why I stopped playing xD

[@auroralee]

Miles Monroe Yeah I get that. There’s nothing wrong with people wanting to play powerful strategies and commanders, but if not everyone wants to play that kind of game it doesn’t lead to as satisfying of an experience. I’d try to find another playgroup, talk to them about playing more casual decks, or just sell a kidney to afford a cEDH deck to be able to compete with them if you’re a fan of that kind of gameplay...

[@auroralee]

@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 Thanks for the insight, I'll pitch that idea by my playgroup. I like casual commander most of the time, but cEDH is fun occasionally for that extra high speed, interactive games.

[@eeen4570]

Some in my play group are really snobby when it comes to proxies even if we own the card. "You're playing with a fake card, imagine how that makes everyone who paid for their cards feel?" I want a card in multiple decks and I'm not buying more than 1 copy so I'm gonna print it

[@unitouchme]

@@eeen4570 wow, i met some people like this, expecting people to have money to buy cards is a veeery snobby thing to do, the game is for fun, it doesnt matter of the card is real or not

[@theymerLoviatar]

I was going to a weekly "Casual Commander" event with my roomie who is just learning how the game works. We didn't have decks at our own, so we just sat down at a table and asked if we could borrow decks as newbies. The other two decks at the table were Narset and Grand Arbiter. We did not have any fun that night. We have not gone back.

[@vidoterkk2981]

I know that pain. When I am playing with people who use low power decks like mine (Alela brawl deck upgraded to EDH with some not-great cards) EDH is super fun. But when one player brings competitive EDH deck and kills everyone with his combo which takes 30 minutes to execute then yeah, not as fun...

[@Kazz1187]

It helps to have multiple power level decks if you have the funds to do it :) especially given experiences like the one loviatar described.

[@somersetbassett4580]

Maybe learning more about the game and how to get small advantages will help u with an interactive table. Studying decks and deck types, even after the game can help u develop a strategy. I find people are almost always down to go through their deck card by card and tell u how to foil them too. Hang in there !

[@waaurufu]

It's my personal opinion that all veteran commander players need one low power fun deck to give new and more casual players a chance. It's really easy to get into an arms race to upgrade your decks, but you have to remember this is the most social way to play Magic out there, and sometimes you need to take a step back and think about how you're affecting other people.

[@moonstatue9657]

Just sounds like there wasnt communication and also you go without decks.

[@tabbrisraziel194]

If we go through my group and pick out the saltiest deck it would be our Krenko deck because either the person who just got knocked out gets super salty or Krenko is kept in check and his owner gets super salty.

[@dino-wer-kuh3498]

thats a player problem, not a deck problem though

[@williamzhang153]

Me: *hides my Krenko deck*

[@hatjousuke]

That's the exact opposite of a salty commander :) that's a salty player. A salty commander makes the rest of the table salty.

[@tabbrisraziel194]

Dino - Wer - Kuh true true

[@tabbrisraziel194]

Dino - Wer - Kuh however can’t it be argued that any salt that arises at the table is a player problem not a deck problem?

[@heraclius1045]

You clearly haven't had the misfortune to play against Avacyn mass land destruction.

[@Reddgameplus]

Oh man, I think I’m gonna be sick...

[@anthonydelfino6171]

My first playgroup had that deck.... my only one was Krenko, so I ended up filling the deck with things like Word of Seizing to steal the Avacyn in response to the destroy everything spells... then the next turn I'd just kill the Avacyn player. It actually stopped that deck from being brought to the table again.

[@emilysimpson961]

My husband played her with boardwipes all over the place. It was the most triggering things ever

[@misterspaceman9563]

Everyone loves my Patron of the Moon deck...until I l cast Sunder and replay my own lands with Patron

[@zackkelley2940]

Magus of the Disk... That is all^^

[@joshuasmith7942]

In my playgroup, it's my Brion Stoutarm that gets the most hate. But you gotta be ruthless in Boros.

[@MegaaTapz]

I'm trying to build my own Brion Deck, but Boros is realy hard to work with. Is there any possibilitys to send me your decklist? :-)

[@carloserausquinhoyos3298]

if someone is dominating a multiplayer game with a boros deck it's hard for me to get mad at them. good on you for getting around a general lack of ramp and card draw

[@HarmonicResonanceScale]

2 weakest colors in magic. You need all the help you can get.

[@RedCometNurse]

So, basically it I Brion and a bunch of Big Stupids to chuck at your opponents? I love it.

[@Nyxlave]

@@RedCometNurse even better is if you get traitor effect spells and throw your opponent's big nasty at his own face.

[@Artakha9000]

Watching your videos has fueled my creative side, and I’m actually considering making a Morophon deck centered around Eldrazi. Why Morophon? Well, having 5 colors instead of being restricted to Colorless in the case of something like Kozilek means that I can run devoid cards, and there are quite a few that can round out my deck. Plus, that means I can run mostly ‘colorless’ spells, save for a few instants, sorceries, and enchantments. I got inspiration for this from seeing the effect on Ugin, the Ineffable. I know I may not be a patron, but if you ever made a Morophon deck, I think going in that direction would be a great budget option for Eldrazi swarming.

[@GunbladeKnight]

Unless you're going full tribal, my advice is always to run Jodah with Morophon in the 99. Eldrazi have a lot of ways to tutor for colorless cards, so it should be easy to find your Morophon, and then you have a Fist of Suns in your command zone.

[@draxthemsklonst]

Eye of Ugin. Eldrazi Temple. Shrine of Forsaken Gods. Ugin, the Ineffable. ... Morophon-Eldrazi may just work out pretty well. I'd *maybe* stick Jodah in the 99 as an alternative cost reduction, but so many eldrazi aren't color-mana costed that it may just be a dud. Probably a wasted card slot. Besides, the whole point of Morophon in the deck is to alleviate the excessive need for colored mana in a "colorless-centric" deck.

[@Artakha9000]

@@GunbladeKnight I am going full tribal with this one. I'm not playing Morophon for the cost reduction, I'm playing him for the anthem effect, and the access to all 5 colors. It lets me get quite a few anthems (including the ones in white), and other than my lands and Ugin, the best form of cost reduction has to be Herald of Kozilek, which is U/R Devoid. Plus, having all the Devoid cards in my deck lets me run all-color budget lands like Corrupted Crossroads.

[@GabrielBarbosa-gs6vk]

Golos is the path if you don't want Eldrazi commander

[@Artakha9000]

If I wasn’t so focused on Tribal, I would have gone with Golos. But Morophon being a Changling, as well as 5 colored like Golos, makes him the perfect Tribal commander, especially for Eldrazi. Having Changling means that he can benefit from other focused Tribal anthems. Plus, he’s within my budget, making him already better than all the other Eldrazi titans (they’re all 15-40 dollars!), save for the OotG Kozilek, who still isn’t as good due to being restricted in color. (I did put that Kozilek in my 99 however.) While Golos could make casting some of the beefier Eldrazi easier, having a bunch of cost reduction in the form of Lands, Herald, and Ugin, means I don’t really have to worry about mana cost that much. Between Morophon, and those costs, I could cast quite a few spells for free, and I still have a decent enough amount of ramp to get there. I might consider putting Golos in for the 99, maybe.

[@stepforwardentertainment715]

Narset and Atraxa are 2 of my best commander decks, too. Guess I’m a monster.

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

StepForward Entertainment of coarse there the best lmoa there good af

[@Izanamii2]

You are

[@onnashinkan2702]

Narset turns or narset combat like a real chad?

[@auroralee]

From my experience Atraxa players often run wayyy too many planeswalkers, which most decks just aren’t equipped to handle in those numbers. They’re oppressive to play against, which is why I try to avoid running too many planeswalkers in my decks, and the price tags on the planeswalkers I’ve seen on the table is even more insult to injury. I don’t hold it against you if you personally enjoy superfriends strategies, but I’m usually not a fan of seeing those in my playgroups. In general people just have to be transparent about the kind of game they want to play. You just have to meet people halfway sometimes

[@stepforwardentertainment715]

Aurora Lee Originally I had 2 Atraxa decks. Counters and Superfriends. Eventually the Superfriends version became so reviled that it became unfun to play, so I dismantled it and my counters version became my only Atraxa. Now, do I use walkers? Certainly. It works well with them. But it’s not the driving force.

[@NyxTheScary]

I used Horobi Deaths Wail with a lot of cheap costing target effects. Like “target creature gains banding” and it just dies instead.

[@raedien]

Cauldron of Souls

[@NyxTheScary]

@@raedien its also in there. Kormus bell plus urborg allows me to hit lands

[@jamjaminations]

Love your videos. I'm pretty sure this is my first time commenting on one of your vids, but I love them and find out about so many budget cards that I didn't know about. p.s: Could you please do a Roon of the Hidden Realm deck tech. I'm finding it hard to find cheap cards for one.

[@ShinkuDragon]

>hello i plsy windgrace! oh cool! >land destruction windgrace! you can hear the salt form.

[@HaydenX]

I first started playing EDH in 2008, and when I showed up to my playgroup, my first deck was a Grand Arbiter Augustin IV deck. No one else in my playgroup even knew what the card did at all when I first played it (I had used it to effect in my Ravnica-Kamigawa Standard U/W control deck). This deck also had Armageddon, Rising Waters, Hokori Dust Drinker, Spelltithe Enforcer, Ghostly Prison, lots of artifact mana (Sol Ring, Ur-Golem's Eye, Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, etc) as well as basically all of the Urza free spells (Time Spiral, Palinchron, Rewind, etc.), and all of the decent counter spells that have the opponent pay costs to negate (Mana Tithe, Mana Leak, Force Spike). Keiga and Yosei were my finishers...along with High Tide + Palinchron + Brain Freeze as an infinite alt win late game. This was a playgroup of 8. After a week of mostly domination (players started ganging up on me all at once towards the end of the week)...we had a vote, 7-1 (me) voted to ban Augustin as the commander (we said "general" at the time). So I mostly switched back and forth between my Scion of Ur-Dragon, Jhoira of the Ghitu, Zur the Enchanter, Angus Mackenzie, and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir decks.

[@NightOfCrystals]

See also: every netdecked Edric deck, optimized Prossh, optimized Chain veil Teferi, the guy who bring infect decks and swears he’s cool/chill, there’s always one, you know who I’m talking about

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

People playing optimized Prossh and Chain Veil Tef should be playing cEDH.

[@thedoomslayer8900]

Reminds me of someone who I've broken ties with. Played Kess, throwing in all the removal and extra turn spells as well as ways to copy them 10+ times in a turn. The only wincon? Commander Damage. That was it. No one played them anymore and they still had the audacity to get the whole deck in foil. Even more of a reason not to play. No one wants to see you flaunt your money while you play solitaire

[@NitrousOxide72]

Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of (what feels like) videos that are just something I could look up on my own. I wildly prefer personal opinions on things and deck techs. That being said, I still love everything you do. Keep up the good work!

[@edgarivan2047]

one friend build a Kenrith deck and i find it way to annoying. He put all infinite mana combos he could, added a few control cards, and all he needs is for 1 combo to be on the field, then make everyone draw all their libraries and end the turn. usually he is done by turn 4 or 5.

[@kdastronaut171]

I’m surprised urza didn’t make the list! A friend in my play group has a urza deck and all it takes is memnarch a couple of thopters unwinding clock for that game to go sour fast Also it’s also quite fun because the whole table has to team up to stop urza before he gets a Karen liberated its like having a dungeon boss battle

[@SirDanyTheWarrior]

Welp, now I can't unsee Karn as Karen.

[@moritzk4795]

@@SirDanyTheWarrior Karen, Boomer Golem

[@NightOfCrystals]

Karen liberated, the #metoo movement’s greatest challenge 🙃

[@gamehero6816]

@@NightOfCrystals I would like to see your phyrexian manager

[@Puddin6233]

My play group used to see me pull out my Oloro deck and all I heard was groans. Stopped playing it awhile back because it was so hated.

[@weegeelinguini3704]

Why do people hate oloro so much?

[@Puddin6233]

@@ebbandfloatzel Our games just devolved into me trying to take on the rest of the table, and it got old pretty fast for everyone.

[@MAGDprogect862]

Marasil, the pretender is my most hated commander. The ability to have a commander that cant be interacted after a certain point is awful. We have someone in our playgroup that loves that card I just ended up putting pithing needle in some of my decks just to shut it down. It's kind of mean but that is really the only way to completely shut it down at the pace that we play.

[@tylerrapillo377]

I tried making a Narset deck and it just left me feeling queezy

[@dittmar104]

Tyler Rapillo I’ve been trying to build narset group hug. “Hey if you let me hit you I’ll use one of the good cards on you.” “...okay” “Okay cool. Oh thousands year stor, repeatable reverberate, overflowing insight... Every one draw seven... would anyone like to pay for smothering tithe?

[@mattd3978]

@@dittmar104 that sounds awesome

[@dittmar104]

Matt D yeah everyone leaves you alone and then you either push for commander damage or cast an insta win effect or mass manipulation for game

[@tmakalpha1]

Built one and it became a solitaire deck with extra turns and niche board wipes

[@dakkotalang-church7797]

I made one based on extra turn infinite combos and my play group hated it. It crushed in multiplayer and 1v1. I won something like 5 or 6 games in a row and that was the last straw between Narset and my friends.

[@somersetbassett4580]

Dont forget Memnarch and Oloro. Honestly though I love all these cards (except narset ) it's great attacking your opponents deck on different axis, thats what stacks are imo. "Ur deck is good at going off? Try doing that in mudd" really separates the wheat from the chaff as Richard Garfield intended😘

[@austinworden4155]

I used to have a grand arbiter deck, i used helm of the host on it

[@mattd3978]

That sounds like my flavor. I'd love to watch that combo at work

[@samiam5308]

And spark double 🤣

[@fantatheprotogen1864]

Oh dear God that is beautifully brutal

[@austinworden4155]

Fanta the protogen to make it more brutal, I had 13 counter spells & angelic arbiter because I enjoyed being an ass.

[@bsmartr806]

You monster

[@NeoSlith]

My friend would run a Jhoira of the Ghitu deck. Tons of eldrazi and super expensive cards that are set out to count down on a timer until they come into play with no way to interact with them since they're technically exiled. It's literally watching a doomsday clock until they come into play, with tons of counter and bounce spells to force your field open.

[@jushthehermit]

Sram the Senior Edificer is pretty annoying. Play him with Steelshaper's Gift, Sigarda's Aid, a bunch of low-cost equips, and a few of the dual-color swords ftw. It's easy to cast 10-20 spells before turn 5. You'll consistently draw or tutor an amazing piece of equipment. Sigarda's Aid turn 1, Sram turn 2 (along with as many 0-cost equips as possible), and amazing Sword of _____ & _____ turn 3, equipped to Sram and attacking.

[@flusterfluff]

K'rrik can be infuriating to play against. T1 Dark Rit, Sol Ring, K'rrik, Necro is certainly a thing that occasionally happens. Also, potentially unpopular opinion: Nekusar is a deck for people who don't like having friends.

[@jessejetpacks9749]

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim is sooooooo good at pushing across value. When they activate his ability (on turn 3, mind you) and they hit Avacyn, Vorinclux, and Zacama after scroll racking... Ugh.

[@Diveji]

That's not even such a good hit for Golos. I play a Golos deck and had turns when I got through half of my library turn after first summoning him thanks to things like Brilliant Ultimatum, Brass's Bounty, Peregrine Drake, hitting a bunch of spells with cascade and finishing with mind's desire. Usually it just becomes 5-minute long solitaire at the end of which I'm the only player remaining alive

[@jessejetpacks9749]

@@Diveji that's disgusting. For all intensive purposes, he's a bit more on the casual side and I dare not expose him to such absurdity, less he begin to adhere to that type of gameplay lol. His deck is just five color big stuff, more or less. Your deck sounds sick, though and I'm much more aware of golos at his full potential like that. Perhaps I'll attempt to steer him towards those possiblities, but he likes what I've promptly named "Five Color F*ck Truck”.

[@nonaG123]

i hate golos with a passion... my buddy has a deck it and when i hear him say "ok let's spin the wheel" i just sit there with my head in my hands waiting for the inevitable butt wreck that's coming... it's not even that the deck is broken persay it's just filled with elder dragons and land ramp from all i've seen but it doesn't matter... there's enough versatility among the tri color dragon parade that getting even 1-2 of them out at a time is bad enough. especially for 5 mana on around turn 4 and usually every turn after 6 gets 2 "spins"... it's obnoxious

[@Bigjake8776]

I thought I would see yuriko, the tigers shadow as an honorable mention or next to derevi, since she can get around the commander tax as well

[@Tonz_of_Fun]

There's this dude who plays with my group regularly and he's only had two deck. One was Augustus and the other is Narset. The only win con is to use them to make it hard for us to stop him from do approach of the second sun.

[@jordanppepper2280]

All this salt is raising my blood pressure, I need a list of the least saltiest commanders to even it out

[@ferdithetank7535]

Here, have some: Pheldagriff Kynaios and Tiro of M'ladies Mathas, Fiendseeker Progenitus(noone takes it seriously) The thing is, you could build anything so it benefits you more than your opponents, and it's always up to you to care about other people's enjoyment of gameplay.

[@moritzk4795]

The magic is to take the saltiest commanders and make them not salty. Currently I gather cards for my Zur, the enchanter sliver tribe :D

[@jordanppepper2280]

@@moritzk4795 This world isn't ready for that kind of insanity.

[@ninetails6218]

Moritz K I want a deck list, this sounds so fun

[@joshmougous6383]

Gishath

[@dreamtheater2k6]

If you have a person that actually play Zur with knowing the rules on him his salt level goes up a lot.

[@Aazdremzul]

Kaliya the Vast, I think is the name? It's the angel that summons an Angel, Demon, or Dragon from your hand on attack declaration. There is the Demon that, on attack resolution, turned your health of a person to 1 if it was unblocked. This combo has killed my casual stuff many times because my friend plays this deck.

[@forresthaller8850]

I played Merieke Ri Berit for awhile but the hate got too bad. In my experience it got more hate then Sen triplets because sen triplets can not easily steal commanders.

[@pauljimerson8218]

Gaddock Teeg is such a groaner when he comes down...

[@toehei33]

Paul Jimerson played against a Gaddock teeg once. All my non creature interactions and wincons are all under cmc3 now.

[@nikoaz]

That's why you hide him behind Captain Sissay :)

[@bobby45825]

Quit playing pure degeneracy.

[@Rukalin]

I usually ask my opponents if they're fine with playing against my Atraxa Superfriends. Today, I got doubling season and Ajani, Steadfast out. It didn't end well for my opponents.

[@e.t8677]

Personally My hated commandsr has to be yarok the desecrated. I just hate when Etbs happen twice or even 5 times.

[@arbresnow401]

same with Brago

[@1993Delicious]

My best buddy plays Yarok and the first time He played it, Yarok won all games in 12 hours against a Scion Deck. Now Our Decks are evened out and It's very fun to play against Yarok. Just don't let Risen Reef resolve Ever On a battlefield with Yarok And Zendikars roil

[@kodycroskey974]

I just recently started playing a few months ago and my first two decks were centered around infect and mill... Couldn't figure out why I was taking all the hate as a new player. Since then I've also made decks around some of the commanders in this list. I think I need to pick less salty play styles 😂

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

Straight up people whine too much about mill. It's a fun and balanced win condition, I swear.

[@kodycroskey974]

@@Eric_The_Cleric I actually find it more challenging with all the hate, which in turn makes wins that much more fun if you can pull it off.

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

@@kodycroskey974 I did mean that reply a bit sarcastically. Mill is one of my favorite strategies, but it tends not to work and gets a lot of hate. I understand the pain.

[@kodycroskey974]

@@Eric_The_Cleric I figured 😂

[@shadowflame75]

Edgar Markov, Oloro, Brago, and most importantly, Braids (the blue one) I have a “friend” that makes it less of a group hug deck and more of a group kill deck

[@HoratioX]

Ah, my man Edgar, killing someone on turn four with cards like shared animosity and just a few lords feels just exciting ^^.

[@bryantiggelaar6775]

In my playgroup the most behated commander is my darling Merieke Ri Berit. And my playgroup includes a Narset player. People are more willing to die by a thousand extra turns and a thousand extra combat steps then by their own creatures smacking them in the face.

[@darkdjinniumbrage7798]

That one W/B/G commander that has a cmc of 8 and it starts with a K. I had a friend that used a lot of dredge effects and Martyr's Bond, and Spore Frog.

[@sturm7938]

If I had to choose it would be golos,tireless pilgrim I have a friend who built it so all his lands untap at the end of turn, he takes extra turns, he doubles or even triples all of his mana it’s just one thing after another and his turns take no joke 20-30 minutes at a time when he starts going off it’s seriously annoying 😠

[@dawubber6676]

Skithiryx was the first legendary creature I ever owned, which has led to me being okay with infect whenever it comes up.

[@xsincarnationx]

Its interesting to see how magic has changed over the years, Commander was new maybe even still EDH im positive Zur, the Enchanter would've been high on this list but I dont even see him anymore

[@MitsuSC]

I run Atraxa +1/+1 counters and a Kaalia deck which unsurprisingly makes me an instant target at the table. Once I hit Necropotence everyone starts sweating. Also there is a Narset player at my local meta who comboes off extra turns and wins using Approach of the Second Sun. He usually gets taken off first and the rest of the table immediately conspires against him lol.

[@coreyroberson4550]

I find it fun to build non-standard versions of some of these commanders. Zur Astral Slide is a blast to play and not overly oppressive. Derevi Voltron is fair to the point of self-handicapping (I also opted to go Peasant, so no rares other than the commander). And I've been toying with Atraxa Keyword Soup ever since she was originally released - just a deck loaded with as many keywords as possible and cards like Cairn Wanderer, Majestic Myriarch, and Odric, Lunarch Marshal.

[@matthewirizarry8467]

One of my friends plays Narset. And uses Top to set up multiple extra turns and board wipes with Omniscience for everything else.

[@hunterthorne4671]

I had a god Pharaoh's statue in my deck, even though I didn't often draw it my friends made me take it out XD

[@robertharp16]

Sheoldred,Whispering One is easily one of my least favorites to go up against as i love to run mono green with infinity big Hydra's, it takes me awile to get all that mana and creature/mana combos going so having to sac during upkeep hurts me pretty bad

[@iandehmel]

My Daretti stax deck was definitely my least popular deck. Loved. It.

[@GunbladeKnight]

Or Avacyn + Nev's Disk lock.

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

I agree with a lot of these except infect. I don't know why people get salty about infect. It's the most predictable and easy to stop build.

[@raedien]

Correct. Anyone upset about Infect doesn't know how to do math and definitely doesn't understand Commander. The Commander damage rule is literally there for two reasons: A way to kill people with infinite life, and is set to "21" so that the average commander takes at least 3 attacks to kill someone. Guess how many unassisted turns it takes to kill someone with Skittles? 3! But U/x control into two-card combo is toooootally fine and cool right? *eyeroll*

[@ilpomaitre]

My Etrata, The Silencer deck used to get a lot of hate from my playgroup, even more so when vanishing hit the table. But I think it's because my play group doesn't build a lot of interaction and Etrata worked a bit like a stax piece and prevented them to play creatures.

[@Nharzhool]

So I started getting sick of the EDH meta at my LGS, so I put my Child of Alara deck back together. I think that's the new hated commander at my LGS. On the upside, I've mostly killed the bullshit meta. I just sit with the threat of the deck there and don't really play it unless people speak of starting their degeneracy.

[@jasona1000]

Respect

[@fsfreturns5242]

tfw a friend and myself are building a two-headed giant EDH based around Gaddock Teeg (him) and Nikya of the Old Ways (me). Basically, with Nikya on the field I ignore Gaddock Teeg's abilities regardless, so I can run a ton of creatures (which should be plentiful in Gruul colors). Edit : also, he's gonna run the Trinisphere as well.

[@SuperSilverSerpent]

Avacyn rarely in the command zone? I thought the reason she was so salty is because if you run her as your commander you’re almost obligated to run land destruction. I mean as the 99 she isn’t too hard to deal with; maybe if you’re in mono red, but Swords to Plowshares is like the most commonly used card in commander, minus maybe Sol Ring.

[@Dev-fe7fk]

Panfried not at all, sol ring is used way more than swords. Avacyn is never in command zone due to lack of good colors.

[@SuperSilverSerpent]

Apollo check the EDH rec website: edhrec.com/top Swords is #2

[@Sonicron86]

I have a planeswalker collection, I've always wanted to play a Superfriends deck, and I pulled an Atraxa in my Double Masters box. Let the salt flow.

[@imoveforward007]

It would be cool if you did a video on the debate of too much fast artifact manna. Imo that’s what I like about budget, the fact you can’t bring all artifact mamma auto includes, and it gives the early game room to develop at a somewhat balanced pace around the table.

[@weavery4292]

One of the owners at my old LGS haf a Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder + Paradox Engine deck. After several 30+ minute turns, I just gave up & scooped.

[@ParenthesisGrey]

My silvers are very much hated among my play group (deck usually revolves around either hivelord, overlord, or first as my commander), and kozilek, the great distortion is only *slightly* less disliked, despite it being 90% mana rocks and not containing any other titans lol

[@AS34N]

Hushbringer...that less then 2 dollar card completely locked up my 900 dollar k'rrik deck. And at THAT moment I realized it's not all about having the most expensive deck, especially if you cant even get it going. Needless to say, I have a bit more removal options these days in that brew

[@zacharyjoy8724]

Well, you make some great arguments for those commanders. From personal experience, at least in my local shop, I can tell you that one commander you didn’t mention gets a lot of…well, if not salt, then exasperation. Who, you ask? Edgar Markov. Because everyone in my shop has dealt with him before, and regularly lost to him by being overwhelmed by the vampire horde. Does that count as salt/hate? Or is it just regular annoyance?

[@mechanicalmariachi1572]

I played skittles in skeleton tribal for a while. it was a wacky time

[@johnwright7177]

Brago, I have a Stax deck based on him and its brutal, I ask permission before playing in my group now because I can see the hate they have for him. Also the new Lavinia....because it shouts land destruction and you know how that is loved.

[@zachmowat8994]

A really big one for me is Maren of Clan Nel Toth. She is always built as an attrition deck and grinds out the game by soft-locking everyone out of their creatures with things like Gravepact and Dictate of Erebos, as well as creatures like Fleshbag Marauders and Mercilous Executioner. Plus being Golgari, she can tutor anything from the library, pull anything from the graveyard, and hit remove anything on the field. Her only weakness is graveyard hate, but since she has so much redundancy in her deck she can easily reload it unless you have a way to permanently remove the graveyard with something like Rest in Peace. Oh, but she can easily tutor up Abrupt Decay and get rid of it, or Assassin's Trophy, or Maelstrom Pulse, Pernicious Deed, Ravages of War... she basically has no weakness, and grinds the game to a halt. So yeah, big personal salt score for me.

[@ACrazedGaming]

My playgroup absolutely hates my urza deck I’m usually targeted real quick I think they don’t appreciate their commanders getting countered every time they try to cast it Or it might be the whole orbs thing

[@Mandolorian1001]

Im a very proud narset storm player which usually takes less than 5 minutes to win. Love that deck :D I've been working on it for almost 5 years now

[@dezsong5457]

I have an Avacyn angel of hope edh deck. It can do vultron, go wide, and boardwipes. It's actually pretty viable, as it makes the tier list at a solid 4.

[@Mechcobra88]

I'm surprised Scion of the Ur-Dragon isn't listed. When he shows up in my pod I just groan. He basically wins as soon as he hits the board with infinite combos.

[@GunbladeKnight]

"You're more likely to see Avacyn, Angel of Hope in the 99" Allow me to introduce you to my Avacyn Exalted deck.

[@mattparkman3467]

I see people talk of avacyn in commander alot, my question is: isnt it banned in the format?

[@GunbladeKnight]

@@mattparkman3467 No. There's lots of answers to it, and it doesn't ruin fun for people like Iona does.

[@crumpyy4072]

Your pfp is beautiful

[@Devilish420]

There's a commander called X that's in Dimir colors, but he does everything the sen triplets can do but less taxing on the mana to do it. I have a buddy that ALWAYS wins games when he busts out that deck.

[@Manteee]

Well Silver Bordered cards aren't meant to be balanced with black border cards so I can see that.

[@1990Alphaman]

One of my worst commander experiences so far has been against a person playing narset turns... After a few games in we politely asked him if he could play another deck because he was the only one having fun... He pulls out atraxa It became archenemy from that point forward and he got salty and scooped and left

[@jakedouglas7347]

I've been in the exact same situation, this fellow pulls out a $4000 narset deck in a pod with a lower power level, spent 15 minutes taking extra turns and wiping everyone's board but dealing no lethal. We all scooped and promptly found new pods after that.

[@wyattsmith6659]

In my playgroup, we have two decks that are probably hated the most, or at least at the moment. The first deck is the menace that is Brago, King Eternal, the blink menace that instead of killing you forces you to concede And Marwyn, the Nurterer which literally has killed people turn 3

[@navo6283]

First, I'll say that I own three of these. lol 1. Derevi (Bird Tribal, Snow, and Color Changing themes instead of stax.) 2. Sen Triplets (Theft, Ninja Tribal, and Artifact Combo themes, so not far off.) 3. Narset (Exactly as you said, she is a voltron commander. lol) My pet peeve commander I don't like playing against in Purphoros, God of the Forge goblin tribal. It just feels like I get to see what I draw for the first 5 turns, and die before my 6th turn. I hate dealing with rush down decks that consistently kill the table by turn 6. Most of my decks aren't ready to do things until turn 6.

[@jonasdietrich8109]

I am doing fine enough with "Volrath, the Shapestealer".

[@taylorbates4742]

As a Sliver player, Sliver Overlord is definitely at least a 3.5 on the salt score. Nobody likes playing against Slivers and you're instantly enemy number 1 at the table.

[@wiccapyre]

Lol yep everyone guns for the slivers. I am currently testing things with Morophon as the commander to surprise people with slivers but can only do that a few times before everyone realizes it.

[@dylanwine2322]

You haven’t seen my anje solitaire discard deck. When sire of insanity and/or archfiend of infnir hit the field it’s a symphony of groans. she wins with syr Konrad type cards + forever young. It’s not good it’s just 20 mins of pain.

[@Rojolbv]

I played prossh once, i was never been able to bring it and play with my friends again after haha

[@iliacbaby]

I had an absolutely broken prossh deck. pulled off a turn one table kill once. It was amazing, but it made me realize that maybe EDH isn't the right format for that kind of thing, even though I loved it.

[@f0ky008]

Maelstrom Wanderer and Nekusar are bloody well up there in my books. Even if you counter Maelstrom he comes out with two mates to punch you in the face and the fact he gives haste is an extra kick in the baws (wiping makes things worse). Playing against a proper Nekusar deck is something to the effect "discard your hand, now draw cards, now discard, now pickup, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand yer dead (usually has a bunch of counters too). Nekusar got worse since most people added storm aspects.

[@CascadeHope]

I definitely used to use a Zur deck.. If I was just trying to make enemies, I would swap out some of my lesser needed cards for tel-jilad stylus and stasis, along with Loxodon Gatekeeper. Just so my opponents could sit there annoyed while I slowly kill them with 1 damage/turn. When not doing that, it would do things like... Search up Arcanum Wings to Aura Swap to Eldrazi Conscription... Yeah... that just wasn't a very nice deck in general...

[@Threeli]

I discovered this channel a few days ago and there's like a hundred cards I need to pick up now...

[@lycanthropize1878]

My group is currently running Grand Arbiter, but luckily I play Kaalia of the Vast so I avoid the tax, but I've seen when that commander gets out of control and it's ridiculous.

[@theelike4302]

Guy at my lgs ran a Grand Arbiter deck and didn't understand why we always ganged up to eliminate him first.

[@Shinobi_sac]

I have a Sen Triplets deck, but I only play it in 4+ player games, as otherwise it's too cruel. Last time I got to play it I ended up against 3 life gain decks, and mine was the only one keeping them in check, the moment they killed me off, all their life totals just skyrocketed until they decided on a mutual defeat and called an end to the game.

[@xBenjiSx]

Sooo I have two commanders that are on this list :P Although they're far from their most optimized (and most hated) versions. My Derevi deck is mostly about evasion, with cheap flyers, some flying anthems, combat damage triggers, and tap abilities. It's a bit controlly with all the possible tapping, but the closest thing to a stax card is Stoic Angel. No Orbs, mostly evasion fun. My Narset is a bit slow and likes to durdle around. There are only two extra combat spells and no extra turns. There's a lot of enchantments and artifacts, three planeswalkers, and a lot of token making - Storm Herd being probably my favourite. The only groan-worthy card in the deck is Helm of the Host, which I'm considering removing. Like many people down in the comments, I gotta admit my most hated deck is probably Krenko. My playgroup mostly agrees to me playing it if we're in for squeezing a rather quick game, and even then I'd probably play Rakdos LoR. Though I have to say, recently my friend said that his most feared deck of mine is now Roon, as he tends to get quite controlling. And this all comes from someone who runs Azami (though she's more wizard tribaly beatdown & draw synergies than control-combos) xD

[@dragonmaster613]

Gaddock Teeg, or "how to be a Blue Control without a single Blue card!"

[@DraXCore]

I run a jin - Gitaxias deck and it got really strong so I had to remake it so I could keep playing it. The deck sort of turned into drawcard tribal

[@lordodin92]

So i know this video is 2 year old but I have a salty card to add to this list . Lagrella the magpie. Is a 3 cost commander that when it enters it exiles 1 creature from each player. Meaning everyone loses their freshly summoned commander and with access to white and blue it has enough control to stop most responses. Then he will use several other blinker cards to make an infinite loop that can cause us the mill, burn or draw to death . . .

[@ChuckieDrumz]

My chulane deck has become a huge pain for my LGS. If I can get him out and start the combo assembling, I usually cant be stopped. Less oppressive but still annoying is my Syr Konrad. If I can get him out with mindcrank and start the damage train, creature decks usually kill the table.

[@jasona1000]

My friend has a Sen Triplets deck. He is reevaluating the effectiveness of it. While it sounds good in theory, in practice the game devolves to "You don't want my hand, trust me. I'll even show you my hand" and so he gains no benefit XD

[@_2Guard]

im surprised Muldrotha and/or Meren of Clan Nel Toth arent on the list. just in my playgroups and LGS' those two are incredibly popular commanders w/ impeccable value that are nigh impossible to settle down once they get going. just from what ive witnessed, even if you remove the commander and/or the graveyard, the deck had such a blast of acceleration/ramp it has the tools to recover from being "completely" shut down

[@firestalker11]

I dont think any of my decks make my playgroup salty except for Sliver Overlord and maybe Sydri since it has an infinite combo.

[@TheFu3lman]

I've made believers out of people using FotM "top tier" comps with my "Pope of Nope" (GAAIV) deck, and their first mistake was thinking Azorius isn't competitive. Grand Arbiter Augustin IV is a minefield masquerading as a pothole, and this deck has been responsible for a lot of the meta shifting to other formats here :D

[@darianleyer5777]

Heh. Figures that I have a copy of one of the thumbnail cards. I was about to make the mistake of trading Leovold away so the recipient could use him as a commander, but the day before the trade, Leovold got banned from that format.