The Most Hated Commander Deck of All Time Isn't What You Think

[@AdamJohnson-h3c]

Sounds like someone that has a hard time making friends, and had found a way he thought might help with that. I feel bad for him honestly.

[@Syncopiia]

I think a better way to play this is to offer it as support for whoever is falling behind the most. You could help a lower power deck compete with some higher power ones, or be the 'catch-up assistant' when somebody's board state isn't looking too hot by comparison.

[@JISHBOSIN]

I play Muldrotha (shocker) and I have a bunch of different strategies i can play with it. and this is exactly what i do. Love watching all of my pods decks pop off... as long as its not at me. lol

[@jacobreserved2144]

This is exactly how my friendly deck is... Before bloomburrow friendly commander I didn't even play the deck to win. Lol fought for 2nd XD but anyway playing this style. It's not hard I'm suprised he upset people. I do hate kingmaker. But that happens more around stupidity than planning. When I play friendly as well. I worry about kingmaking. So hence fourth I either go in a fair roto. Left to right. Or help someone more who might need it. It's very fun indeed to see other ppl play and have fun cx I'm still having fun lol. So like. Everybody else having fun just adds to it.

[@daemonxblaze]

That's just kingmaker though

[@Syncopiia]

@daemonxblaze In this particular case I mean shifting who you support depending on the situation to whoever is doing the worst. But yeah, there's still an element of kingmaker.

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

@@Syncopiia Yeah, unless you can pivot to a strategy where you can turn off the tap to everyone else but yourself (which is the essence of a politics deck) you are just kingmaking, except you're more of a turncoat about it than the guy in the post was. Its one redeeming quality is that you are letting everyone realize their deck ideas, but when you do so, you'll just accentuate any power imbalances at the table and most likely the strongest deck at the table, especially if its power isn't immediately obvious (think "UGx synergy pile", for instance), will win by default. Either way, you futz with the "natural" dynamic of the game, in a way where decks that absolutely shouldn't win due to shoddy deck building can steamroll the table pretty much out of nowhere, and not even through their own crafty piloting skills. I've been in situations like this, and it kinda sucks.

[@scovillemtg]

Bans exist to deal with format warping cards. Rule 0 exists to deal with format warping playstyles

[@imnotacat5299]

Rule 0 just exists to deal with things that people personally dislike, that's why everyone does it differently and why it's not an official part of the game. People just need to learn that they are not entitled to play with everyone. If someone doesn't want to play against your deck, they have every right to exclude, simple as that. If someone is being excluded too often, they should reflect on what that says about their deck or how they choose to play the game.

[@SneakyPirate54]

What is a format warping play style in commander??

[@phelanwolf6747]

the solution to this "problem" is much much simpler: "You got a team mode deck? Then let's play a team mode."

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

@@SneakyPirate54 Someone playing way over the power level of the rest of the table without first discussing it with their pod (i.e. pubstomping) is the easiest and most common issue that rule 0 intends to address. If, on the other hand, someone wants to square off against the rest of the table with an explicit arch enemy deck and offers it as an option for a game, that's different, because then everyone at the table has veto rights in whether they want that experience or not.

[@edwardlasso3092]

I feel like he would have fun playing in a "2-headed Giant" format game instead of playing Commander format since that would give him a chance to help out his teammate, or in the format with hidden roles, where there is a King, a Guard, 2 Outlaws, and an Assassin (similar to "Bang! The Dice Game").

[@b1b-O7]

Dang bro just wanted to make friends and prob didnt know how.

[@vigilantnapper]

I dont understand this 2v1v1 argument, the other two players have the capacity to form an alliance to tackle the warping strategy; acting as though they have no recourse is silly. Commander is about politics and alliances. If I was one of the solo players, I would actively work with the other player to target the kingmaker; if I was the kingmaker, I would expect the other 2 players to gang up on me. I agree that having one player acting soley as a kingmaker can be annoying and warp the game, but I disagree with the idea of telling people what they can or cannot play. It is completely fine to explain that such problematic strategies will inevitability lead to that player being targeted.

[@bruhbruh4329]

Their decks may not be specifically built to team up, while the kingmaker player's is

[@vigilantnapper]

@bruhbruh4329 decks don't need to be specifically built to team up in order to do so. You should have ways to interact with other players. The other two players should agree to use their interaction to remove the problem player before interacting with each other (with some exceptions of course). My decks aren't designed to team up with another player, but if I see two players teaming up, I definitely have have ways to try to stop them.

[@miomio1901]

​@@vigilantnapperi feel like two players dumping all their removal and damage to you while youre trying to be a "support" will kind of ruin your game and make you wanna pick apart that deck because obviously then youre not having fun either, while everyone else is also not having fun and it's just a miserable time

[@vigilantnapper]

@@miomio1901 I agree, it doesn't sound fun to me, but according to this story there's at least one person who does find it fun. Unlike the opinion of this video, I think that it will backfire most of the time by being hated out. If you're piloting a deck that gets a lot of hate and paints a target on your back, it's up to you to build it resilient to withstand the hate. If that's fun for you, great; if not, maybe play a different deck. If it's a deck that everyone else hates, maybe play the deck sparingly and bring a second deck. These are all problems I (and I'm sure many others) have dealt with. I love building and playing lockdown decks, but I love my friends enough not to constantly play those decks and to bring decks that match the group's play level.

[@SlongestKongest]

People don't wanna play 2v2 tho when they go to a commander lgs

[@michaelabere6770]

I feel like this would be a fun opportunity to bust out an archenemy deck if I was at a pod where someone really liked playing support.

[@JamieHitt]

Just as there is a clear difference between CEDH and EDH, ...there is a similar difference between EDH and Casual Commander. But it doesn't end there. LGS Commander and Kitchen Table Commander are, again, two different animals. However, LGS Commander and EDH are almost indistinguishable. The LGS is no place to whine and cry about another player's deck. If it's legal, ...suck it up and bite your tongue. If you don't like it, then it's YOU who doesn't play against it. But you don't say squat to that other dude. You don't do "play groups" or "cliques" in an LGS. This isn't your kitchen table or your mama's basement. You don't make the rules there. The LGS is not a "feels good" venue. You don't ask people their "preferences". You show up and you bring it. If your deck is under-powered, that's just too bad for you. Build a stronger deck. If you don't like how another player plays...but no rules have been violated...then tough nuts dude. But if pulling up your big boy pants is too difficult for you, then stack up a bunch of soft, soft pillows in a safe, safe place and you be in charge of what decks can or cannot be played in your little pillow fort.

[@jacobreserved2144]

3 minutes into the video and I'm on your side already. Kingmaker sucks but... Suck it up. Let him have fun too XD

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

If your LGS is as you've described it, there's enough toxicity there that the EPA has every right to run a bulldozer straight through it. Of course you can ask people to not play something, or comment on the fact that they didn't sufficiently communicate their power level, or whatever. You can't force people to obey you, this is true. Just like in any mature relationship, it's about giving and taking, about communication and compromise. As long as you approach it in a good-faith manner, it's usually not an issue. A _good_ LGS is one where a constructive and inclusive community is being built; Where people are thoughtful and friendly, not abrasive and hostile. What you're describing sounds rather destructive, to be honest. And what the hell are those home-brew definitions? Commander and EDH are the same thing. The only actual difference between playing at an LGS vs. playing with your playgroup of friends is a social one: With your home group, you don't need to be as thoughtful about your communication: The understanding is implicit there, built up over time to a point where you know each other well enough to shortcut all that talk. When you go to an LGS, you have to throw assumptions aside and actively and accurately communicate with people. That's it.

[@cylonsteve2511]

I find people quitting because they don't feel they belong, is my least favourite gameplay. They should have just swapped to 2 headed giant. Once that person felt more "safe" in the pod, then offer to go competitive.

[@verigone2677]

This player would have a ton of fun in 2 Headed Giant. I personally don't mind the king making so long as they don't always king make the same player.

[@leagreenall5972]

Seriously just play the damn game - so many snowflakes - i dont like control, dont like stax, dont like land manipulation, dont like combo, dont like poison, dont like this dont like that.... why not just say that commander MUST be no counters, no combos, just creatures with no abilities and then just win on combat!!! ... so basically anyone outside the norm, bringing something new to the game - NO WAY

[@Restorer_Of_Balance]

Thank you! If they haven’t seen it on EDHREC or their favorite Magic content creators channel, it’s bad. So damn sensitive.

[@BradB-x5j]

Good call. I made a casual uncommon/common only EDH with Armix / Ich Tek and played it. I was told “we don’t like commanders that are removal on a stick” when targeted by the him over and over. He was playing Karlov as his commander lol. The exact same thing but easier to do and more efficient than my own. Too many soft players want to play “I win” and not commander.

[@jacobreserved2144]

​@@BradB-x5j:'( I absolutely agree. Grotesque imo. Just play to play. I do post group hug and sadly have 2 players in my play group who like to play I win. But with certain people like such. Or just for toots n shoots I'll use my friendly deck. And everybody plays magic. Boom dmg prevented. Boom u draw. Boom u gain life. Boom have a treasure. Boom have a land. Boom draw some more. Boom pop off bruv. Just don't kill me?:3:3 I'm here for you friends XD

[@bradeaton9589]

Yeah that's why I don't really play with randos

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

Now who's being sensitive? Who's crying and whining? :)

[@ISAACcookie]

god that sounds horrible. Group Hug is fine and all but actively kingmaking just ruins it for the whole table. Our most hated deck is probably my "Hama Pashar, Ruin Seeker" Dungeon and Initiative deck, just such a foreign playstyle to most players and very explosive. Hard to really power level it too.

[@ChrisDavis-tt1dj]

A “King Making” deck? No thanks.

[@gaiden81]

You simple gang up on the king. An interesting legal shift of 1v1v1v1 to 2v2. Then when you take out the king, the game shifts again. I think this could be an interesting way to go about commander.

[@TausHerper]

IMO, Stax will forever remain the least fun/most hated playstyle.

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

That statement has some pretty damning implications for the player base. If that is so, it follows that it is because a lot of players don't want to problem solve on the fly. They want to play their decks in a little vacuum bubble, on auto pilot, which definitely ISN'T what Magic is about. Sure it can get annoying when you're not "allowed" to play your deck the way you intended when you built it, but that is a potential level up moment for deck builders: "How do I change my deck so that I maintain the core design of it, but I'm not as affected by, or can readily deal with, effects that alter the game rules?" What's more, pinning this on stax alone is rather arbitrary. There are so many other ways of playing that is equally annoying: The value machine that takes 20 minute turns but don't win; The secret permission deck once it has managed to dig its claws into the table; The deck that just seems utterly inevitable, where everything just comes back and/or you just can't seem to deal with their board state. Unless someone is playing utterly unfairly, reacting with (lasting) ire is just an admission that you don't want to adapt.

[@TheDoomAboveAll]

almost 1 year into my mtg journey and i would have never imagined such whining by such a large part of the community. its honestly so annoying. if you dont like their deck(s) then leave or find another group.

[@raymondcarter4335]

If someone is upfront about what they are doing, either play with them or don't. Complaining about someone's preferred play style in a format designed for fun is kind of petty. Everyone has a different idea of fun. I'm kind of disappointed that this is the most forgotten aspect of the format. One dude is making 12 Sheoldred's and this one is kingmaking Caesar, While the last player is breaking artifacts. Who cares? Just play the game...

[@Nat-wm7zo]

4:10 so at this point in the vid i would say that this deck or playstyle is probably best suited for team games like 2v2 or 3v3 because this guy would enjoy it the most without put off others 🤔 im still relatively new what are others thoughts on this

[@Chaoslorden]

I've built a Kenrith deck based on Initiative and blinking, plus ability reduction and some powerful ability creatures. I thought it would be casual and I wanted Kenny just to tie in all the colors and be a support commander. Turns out it's pretty evil and people hate it haha. Still, I think people would rather face my deck than that version in the video. Or that kind of player. Seems he don't know the social structure of the game.

[@jdub4670]

I had a friend with a Kenrith deck build around Felidar Sovereign, it was surprisingly salty. With the built in life gain to stay above 40, card draw to ensure he found it, and recursion to bring it back or even keep safe in the graveyard, if you didn’t exile it immediately the game was pretty much over

[@Restorer_Of_Balance]

What happened to this format?! When did commander players become so damn sensitive? Everything doesn’t have to fit the EDHREC norm.

[@kraidur8693]

This dude just let people build decks they want. I swear it's mostly those redditards.

[@DanMeisterZ]

Creating upside is the puzzle. And a draw isnt a lose for everyone...just a win for everyone. Can we stop being so negative all the time?

[@DanMeisterZ]

Also the support deck guy did nothing wrong. People just need to stop labeling things and have fun. And about "every level" ...that is super easy. My Tasha deck is 15 euros...and how hard other decks are..how well mine does. I also have a deck that let's people fight each other for bonuses i can give (commander is atogatog)

[@bcoo111]

I haven't encountered a deck specifically made as support, but the gameplay is common enough

[@aftergood]

I have a "Kingmaker" Deck with Kenny, but its focused around helping everyone. Helm of awakening, victory chimes, lifeline, howling mine, Najeela, and so on. I never win but it makes games of commander like 30 minutes at most. i do have a win condition and its Barren Glory. If you build the deck right it should help everyone. BTW you can copy wedding ring with mirror works! give everyone wedding rings.

[@andrewspears8891]

How does Wedding Ring + Mirrorworks do that? All I see is making 1 ring for an opponent and 2 for yourself.

[@miomio1901]

the negative thing with kenny and other asymetrical group hug decks is that you once you're about to die, just will give all the life and +1/+1 counters and card draw and graveyard recursion to the other player and basically make them win and its making you hard to deal with, because you actually will just lose to someone else then and how are you supposed to win then? if you try to kill the other person first you dan just save them

[@andrewspears8891]

@miomio1901 I personally build my Kenrith deck with a load of etb creatures with handy effects, including a boardwipe on a stick (cataclysm gearhulk) and combat control (fog frog, goad demon and attacker redistribution angel). Then again, the only way my Kenrith deck counts as group hug is in that I provide everyone with a boatload of mana.

[@dannyabe7]

Could there possibly be an EDH game mode where two players battle each other with the help of one "support-style" deck like a Squire to the main Commander? It may be too similar to Two-headed Giant though.

[@AlexAndrom3da]

This isnt a support deck this is just a 2 headed giant deck being used in a regular pod

[@kuekqilejayden6646]

I feel that the guy wasn’t actually doing anything wrong per se but the problem stems from the fact that other players couldn’t enjoy the game because of the strategy. If it’s a ‘group hug deck’ everyone should be benefitting not just the singular player. Tho with the guy’s demeanour and how nice he seemed to you maybe he just really didn’t understand ykyk

[@Beckola44]

I have a Kenrith Deck and there were 5 of us playing Commander. Three of the other decks were stronger than mine and I knew I could not win. I wanted to come in 2nd place so I gave my opponent who had a Dragon deck 10 life using Kenrith's ability. This kept him in the game and he eventually killed off one of the players and I came in 2nd place. Thank you for the video.

[@Rengevenge]

Emperor and 2 headed giant exist for that type of deck, I have a kenrith group hug deck specifically for those play types but to their point i would never use that deck in a standard commander game

[@Klingonmastr]

That is why you play cards like Smothering Tithe, Faerie Mastermind, and Consecrated Sphinx. You should also be getting additional card draw from when you are gifting players extra cards. Of course we are talking about Kenrith and he is a tier one commander. Playing something like Ms. Bumbleflower or Phelddagrif shouldn't bother them as much.

[@devinloew7681]

Im imagining a Fact or Fiction situation where you get 4 great cards and discard one less desirable card because your opponent just picks the 4 card pile to keep

[@hjrosas071]

4-1 split is not generous enough. I like the 5-0 split better.

[@TheRupertking88]

At my LGS we have a "beginners" pod that you can sign up for, where you basically are meant to teach very new players how to play the game. Alot of people join these beginner pods and just play normally with out explaining whats going on or helping out the new player. I think I'm going to build this commander and use it only in those situations where a new player. (Very often 9 or 10 year old kids) are play there first few games and help to make it even for them. Draw them cards and help them feel a little powerful. Of course I will real 0 this, but I do see where this could be fun in the right pods. Definitely not the way this guy used his deck to just help one person win. But help the new kid not get overwhelmed

[@ryantrail8612]

I totally built a team up Kenny deck for an emperor game. 3v3

[@aaronjines9449]

King makers when lgs had pod tournaments when it was first started they were almost a mandatory deck in your box. The ones I went with had friends looking to make it to top table and if you and 1 friend made it you did everything to make sure you had an edge. The top tables were cut throat and always had 1 person playing mill with infinite mana. This was like almost 15 yeas ago now I think. So you had limited options on stopping those combos.

[@SirLANsalot]

See that deck can worth both ways, you can king make someone OR yourself OR even both. Give a buff to someone else, but also keep your own board state up and buffed as well. So when the "king made" person KO's the other two, you can, in turn, nuke them. This works best if your turn is before theirs.

[@kraidur8693]

I swear edh players only want others to build old tired tribals deck. Lets just play elves and goblins for the next 20 years

[@dalton2592]

Nope, Krenko is too easy to play and Goblins are annoying.

[@kraidur8693]

@dalton2592 how many tribal decks do you have

[@patricklynch4074]

I actually have a support deck as well thats kinda group huggy, but its that scenario without being a kingmaker Its basically designed to use instant speed combat tricks on *other* peoples creatures so they can hit each other harder. Kinda like a goad deck. I'm empowering creatures that tartet someone other than me, taking out my opponents while encouraging them to whittle each other down, and then taking them down in the end myself after they've punched each other

[@SlongestKongest]

Seems like a nice guy who just wants to be nice / make friends. I just dont think he doesnt relize that it makes it a 2v1v1 which just makes it unfair for the to solo players. His deck would be great for 2v2

[@sk84lafs]

If players A and B see player C helping D, A and B need to join forces. This is no different than someone becoming Archenemy and the table working together to bring them down. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[@eddy140]

I have a friend who has this deck its fun to play against. His plans is to make a king but if someone kill the king he go ape shit on us and kill us in two truns. Its fun.

[@itslexactually]

If your table is okay with it, then great. Other players WILL see this deck as toxic for reasons that go deeper than just the game. “I’m dictating how I want the game to go, and if I don’t get my way, you’ll pay” is a real pissbaby way to go through life, and everyone else knows it.

[@bullbobby92]

It’s fun for us.* FTFY.

[@xxhellspawnedxx]

@@bullbobby92 This can't be said often enough, in this comment section in particular. So many preferences being assumed to be universal, when they are the exact opposite of that.

[@cylonsteve2511]

I had a similar experience with Braids, Conjurer Adept. It was really fun, until the game suddenly ended by someone comboing (ironically, that player was against others comboing). I still thought it was a blast, but the winner was peeved about "King Making". Personally, I thought everyone was doing something interesting and if the game went on longer, it would have been more fun. Anyway, someone will always be annoyed/annoying. There are better games/ use of time out there.

[@nopedefnope9924]

When 1-2 people show up with decks stronger than they claim or are trying to pubstomp at a casual table I will 100% put more effort into making it a balanced experience for the weaker ppl/person than to just win.

[@34tm3gaming3]

The Group Hug Deck basically makes the games faster. More rounds to play. 😊

[@daemonxblaze]

Sometimes i think its actually Eight-and-a-Half-Tails, since ive been begging for years and Maldhound still hasnt roasted him

[@BradB-x5j]

As far as this deck plays out, let it be at my LGS. We often face far worse decks in the form of stax, land manipulation (looking at you Windgrace), and mass aristocratic decks. Each one thinks they are unique and completely original. Honestly if this guy plays a “kingmaking” deck, kudos to him. At least it boosts most aspects of the game rather than watch somebody take a 20 minute turn with no wincon. Besides, am I wrong for thinking the 2v1v1 opposition is wrong? I mean if you sat across from at our table with Kaalia, Korvold, Atraxa, or some other kill on sight commander, then do not be surprised if it is a 3v1 at that point. Maybe I do not understand hoopla though.

[@crablegs1193]

I have a Kenrith politics/group hug deck, but I would never kingmake. I'll play stuff like Font of Mythos and then Smothering Tithe or Consecrated Sphinx so I get most of the value. I also have a number of alt wincons in there and one sweaty combo I can easily not use in lower power games. So I'm absolutely trying to win with it, but I can also help the mana-screwed or underpowered player so they aren't doing nothing, or make deals with other players to buy myself some time. It's an incredibly fun deck, and I've never had anyone complain. It's possible to have an element of what this guy was doing without being a kingmaker.

[@tankkelevra4486]

I don't really see where this is any worse than someone's deck getting a jump on the table and the game turns into a 3 on one

[@GioEs22]

As a Kros, Defense Contractor player, I sympathize with person, but I also get the hate

[@Fighting_irish493]

Well is someone is kingmaking another player then the other two players have to team up otherwise the odds aren’t in your favor

[@Drewbe821]

So, when a person does Group Hug strat, that's fine. But, when a person wants to just have fun by helping others genuinely, that's verboten? If that person those gatekeepers chased off ever sees this: you're welcome at my table. Not everyone wants to win. Journey>Destination.

[@zaphoddzero42]

I am inspired to build the Softest Deck Ever!! Pillow Fort meets Group Hug meets Polticks! Unwinnable, but jank!

[@seigram1587]

I want to play an arcades commander that works as a guild giving battles and rewards ..curses as punishment or insentives to kill an opponent XD

[@tylerrobinson4390]

My response: Well… have you ever heard of two headed giant? 😂❤ sounds like player A already committed to the fallout deck for his personal reasons so… 2HG?

[@ashleighgreen2837]

I absolutely hate king making. Even if i was made the king i wouldn't feel like i won. I also hate when people towards the end of the game realise they arent able to win so they king make the winning play on there way out.

[@ChrisFactor]

Sounds like this kid needs to find a playgroup that's okay with what he wants to do. I've played many two on two games before so maybe if he's going to run that you should look for a game more suited to his deck then trying to play a four-way with a deck that doesn't win on its own

[@dudlecore7358]

sounds to me like that dude wanted to play 2headed giant and misstook it for commander

[@andrewspears8891]

Rakdos the Muscle works on all levels, I just play everyone else's decks.

[@guidingrock7051]

I would immediately try to convince the other player not being supported to take out Kennereth with me. You wanna be my freinemy till we deal with this bulshit?

[@venkelos6996]

I can at least see the appeal of some players. Different people obviously have different personalities, and how they want to be treated. Despite it's a game, and players are supposed to be trying to win, some people are more fragile, if you will, and just see targeted aggression against their effort as targeted against THEM, so they might want to build a deck that they feel won't threaten anyone else, and thus they'll maybe focus on others. Their ally might wven feel incentivized to protect them, which feels good, in the moment. I will always prefer to play with my friends, and when they moved away, I effectively stopped playing. There is a place I could, if I wanted to, but I don't know those people; I'm not as inclined to want to play, and the typical group that artended then were rather toxic a-holes, frequently maling deals, and then reneging on them, or teaming up almost to this extent, until it would basically become 1v1, after they were all that was left. This sort of happened with my friends, too. We usually played 1v1v1, and I was the least competitive zor msybe competent, of those playing, so sometimes I'd be ignored, but other times I'd just get twamed up on, so they didn't have to worry about surprises. In some of these cases, I can see the appeal of playing something that another person would actually appreciate, and want to defend, though it isn't something that I would build myself, and I entirely understand why most people would fet troubled by it. I'm not really a big fan of the politicking angles, as is, but while this is at least open, honest, and consistent about it, it takes ut to a rather BS level I wouldn't want to play against, anyway. I already don't often EXPECT to win, but I'd rather my opponent not have such an additional advantage, and I say that as one if the sixpeople who plsy that actually LIKE Eminence, which is often reviled as it is seen as an unfair, uninteractable advantage, but this feels more like a player who "persuaded" their significant other to build a deck, come play, and then promise to only support them, and follow their instructions, like a patsy, because if they don't, things might be less cheerful at home, where public isn't there to see.

[@kyle7447]

My kenrith deck is human tribal its definitely not letting others win

[@mikesousa4733]

I already hate group hug strategies but this is worse.

[@shazaaaaaam]

def has a touch of the tism

[@prestonboyd513]

People need to get over themselves one of my fiends plays a deck like this...the only difference between him and this guy is he has other decks. Every game shouldn't be played like this but a game here and a game there isn't a problem. Casuals complain about everything... as long as time equity is considered and you are overpowering the table people need to get overthemselves.

[@redwillow1853]

I'd tell him if he wants to run a support strategy... Then go play bot lane in League of Legends.

[@rjkmusicmedia]

I was going to say team up against the other two, take out the player being supported then destroy the support player. Stop whining about it, it's just a new weird challenge from a bunch of losers :)

[@Lukejanssen1987]

Sounds like this guy wants to just play archenemy which is a format on its own

[@OhOnGod]

This sounds like a good idea for thg, but not commander

[@TheMoguera]

I feel bad because it seems like this player made this deck because they wanted to be nice and helpful. But I would not want to play against this deck

[@itslexactually]

Well, sure… but there’s a difference between benefiting the whole table and literally picking a favorite deck or a favorite player to give an unfair advantage. The whole game just becomes “who’s the kingmaker’s favorite?” You might as well just be rolling dice at that point. If you’re thinking about building a deck like this - don’t. Everything is not about you, and warping your entire local format based on what you like to see, robs other players of their autonomy to build what they like.

[@Chiefcomrade]

Uh this is a good idea. I’m likely going to build this strategy. Those who complain is from those who are mad that they aren’t prepared. 2v2 is still fair.

[@kraidur8693]

Let people build anything they want! who is taking magic so serious, that they wont let people play with them. That is ruder then a dude with an instering deck idea.

[@metal--babble346]

if you don't have a $7000 dollar deck... then don't play Magic ..... this game has changed since we were kids

[@anonmisfit]

ur not making sense :)

[@kdash2657]

Proxy ~

[@xNemesiSxPR]

this is what i wanted to do with my kenrith

[@itslexactually]

Why would you be so selfish as to completely ruin the fun for the rest of the table? The person you pick to be your favorite now feels bad if they win, that they didn’t really deserve it and their deck might not have gotten there on its own. The other two players who are not your favorite, are offended you didn’t pick them and they’re also fighting against a deck that was built just to be a griefer. Favoritism. Hurts. EVERYONE. Besides, who the fuck are you to tell people you don’t like what they play, especially telling them that so hard you built a whole deck around it? This is narcissistic behavior and it doesn’t deserve to be supported in any welcoming LGS environment.

[@OV3RK1LL33]

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[@josephancheta330]

I'm building kenrith right now. And my idea is to fill it full of instant and sorceries. Lands. And no creatures. Gonna pay 4 and a swamp to take something from your graveyard into my battlefield. And buff them up and use your own creatures against you.