Why Modern Movies Suck - They Teach Us Awful Lessons

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@clintondenley2827]

Can you please review the Aussie 80s classic war movie "Gallipoli " , it's an amazing drama that doesn't glorify war and was ripped off by the modern movie 1917. Please watch it Drinker!

[@khaylittle8286]

If the Drinker it put that way, he right about it being scary.

[@JohnKerbaugh]

What life lessons do people who believe these things get when the world knocks them down. There must be an evil person who set the world up so they would fail.

[@khaylittle8286]

@@JohnKerbaugh Indeed.

[@mattdemo6387]

I think after hearing this comparison between Milan and Anakin Skywalker in the path of "chosen ones" I feel Darth Vader's background story has The..... High Ground

[@realleif3310]

A friend of mine started to study literature and the art of writing. Her Professor deadass told them in the first lecture "if you want to write good stories, then dont take examples from the current cinematic climate"

[@TheSweetTeaGuy]

Based professor right there.

[@deathwish1284]

wow even my grandma could say that

[@OldmanNix]

I thought the professor was called "professor Deadass" ... I was like 'so close to being "professor Badass" yeesh.

[@boomguitarjared]

I was worried this was going tou end with the teacher saying not to study the classics ahnd only partake of modern feminism ahnd racial/gender representation to be the keys of what a good story is or sum shyte, buht relieved to hear integral story telling is still being taught.

[@tarron3237]

Awesome professor

[@princessmarlena1359]

I remember how much Luke Skywalker struggled to learn to become a Jedi. Even against Yoda’s advice, he put his additional training on hold and tried to go after Darth Vader. It cost him his hand as a result, but he learned from it, went back to finish his training with Yoda, and was able to succeed, not so much by defeating his own father in battle, but for refusing to turn to the dark side by striking him down. THAT was great writing.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Oh I need to rewatch the OG trilogy again, love it!

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Luke is someone I want to be like.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Once Luke returned, though, Yoda just died on him before assuring him that no more training was necessary, thus reinforcing the same idea that underlay Rey's characterization. Of course, if you have read SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE, you know that Luke had continued to train on his own in the meantime and had even constructed his own lightsaber. But we can't know that if we just watch the movies.

[@ollytherevenant1653]

@@SeasideDetective2 you don’t really need to either, Luke, unlike Rey had gone through potent experiences that shaped him into a Jedi, where as Rey’s journey…feels haphazard.

[@Zalown]

Yeah only.for that same character to try to kill his nephew cause he had a bad dream fuck everytime I think of what Rian did to Luke I get unreasonable angry

[@andreamarcelli4672]

A female friend of mine told me that about the last Mulan: "I liked the cartoon when I was a young lady because the character made a way for herself with her own wits and strength. Now all of this magic takes the effort away. In the movie, she is a *chosen one* from the first minute. In the cartoon, you would not be able to tell if she was going to make it or not until she actually made it".

[@savedfaves]

We can get behind a character who has to overcome. All the best heroes struggle to get there.

[@MrEgofreak]

@@savedfaves And in the majority of films today (mainly indie and foreign films and, if you want to stretch it, the once-in-a-blue-moon Blockbuster that smart execs gave the green light) the struggle to win and important life lessons are still there. It's just future writers see hollow, vapid pics (e.g. Jurassic World trilogy) make $$$ and they think copying the formula is a way to bring them success.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@MrEgofreak But doesnt it pale in Comparison to Some-More-News and Second Thought?

[@MrEgofreak]

@@nenmaster5218 I don't understand what you mean. To what are you referring?

[@nenmaster5218]

@@MrEgofreak I just meant those Channel analyze Media and how we cahnge it and how it changes us very well.

[@snorm456]

Moral of anakin: how arrogance and an inflated ego can lead to an even darker path than the one you're trying to avoid. Moral of Rey: does she even have one?

[@mema0005]

«One often meets their destiny on the road they take to avoid it» could have been written for Anakin

[@Adamguy2003]

I think another message dealing with Anakin is how an overly intense desire to avoid any kind of loss in life can corrupt a person. He became so determined to not lose Padme the way he lost his mother, that it made an easy weakness for Palpatine to exploit to turn him evil.

[@MrBlaq1990]

​@Adamguy2003 Facts, bro. Palpatine played him like a fiddle

[@kairon5249]

@@mema0005 a bit cliche though ngl, thats the storyline of like, 90% of mythological greek stories... the oracle something is gonna happen, so you try to stop it, but in the process of doing so you cause it to happen.

[@HowToChangeName]

Less is more

[@Mr.Batsu12]

We are in a timeline when Critical Drinker talking about movies is far more entertaining than 95% of the actual movies that come out of Hollywood.

[@BrianRocksNow]

99.9%* lol

[@Mr.Batsu12]

@@BrianRocksNow I was going to write 99% at first but I figured Joker was really good. I've heard the new Spiderman was good (didn't see it) and a lot of people seemed to really like Dune (I thought it was ok). So there are a few positives but it's clear good movies are few and far between. LOL

[@clamhammer4277]

This

[@BrianRocksNow]

@@Mr.Batsu12 Absolutely. There's a gem every once in a while. I kind of stopped watching new movies all together over the last couple of years. I figure even if it's a good movie, paying for tickets or a rental means I'm funding the next Disney live adaptation film or female led Ghostbusters. If the same studio making a great Spider-Man also makes Rise of Skywalker, I'm willing to wait it out. Lol

[@EnthalpyAndEntropy]

@@Mr.Batsu12 dune was crap. Like Lord of the Rings they just took a cleaver to a bigger story. In contrast is the Back to the Future movies. Each was a complete story that fit well with the others.

[@zachb.6606]

"Imagine going into every situation firmly convinced you are already perfect and you'll just naturally succeed because you already have what you need." I think we are living this social experiment right now!

[@guilhermehank4938]

A vault tec one at that

[@doclouis4236]

I really hope maybe 30 years from now, that Academics start using the Disney Star Wars trilogy as an allegory for the modern decade we're living in and dissect it like how video essayist already have on KZbin.

[@garymcderp1146]

This is how we went from equality to equity. The younger generation today wants everything given to them on a platter instead of working for something. Instead of equality of opportunity they demand equality of outcome. That is also how we end up with teenagers today thinking that socialism and communism are great ideas. Perpetual victimhood is what they strive for. Instead of having a conversation with someone who doesn’t share their views we get shrieking and violence. Not long ago who would’ve though that saying “men can’t get pregnant” would be a controversial and bigoted statement that can get you banned from social media platforms. And it seems like the level of absurdity is rising each year.

[@ItsNotaTuhmah]

@@garymcderp1146 If you're from UK or USA, you know absolutely nothing about Socialism. Countries with the best life standards are the ones who applied SME.

[@Pedowood]

It's elitism 101. Hollywood is so far removed from reality that they push this mindset and it unsurprisingly coincides with authoritarianism. These movies are made for them and appeals to the younger generations that have "main character" syndrome. To normal people, all these takeaways seem dystopian but not to the "main characters" since they're running the show.

[@lle.5583]

The most frustrating thing about female protagonists in modern movies is that their only character flaw is the evil men in their life holding them back - because they're otherwise perfect at everything and have no lessons to learn. Fucking barf. I loved disney's original mulan because she was such a fuck-up at everything she did, and the only thing she had going for her was her cleverness. Other dudes were fucking up in the training, but she was literally the worst at everything, and through hard work, she became better. Loved it. Watching characters try and fail, and then try harder and succeed - I love that so much. That's been taken away from all female characters.

[@nebulous9280]

@@herroyalhighness5634 It's especially damaging because a young girl watching old Mulan will get the lesson "I can become improve and overcome my shortcomings as an individual through hard work and dedication", but a young girl watching modern Mulan or other modern female protagonists will get the lesson "Women are cool and can do things better than Men", then get crushed because they never got the "through hard work and dedication" part.

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

@@herroyalhighness5634 recent mindset be like. Too much thinking about things that potentially discriminated, forget if certain thing need flaw to have perfect story

[@reecetarrant5414]

Yeah, that's also the problem that we have going on with Star Wars: People tout Rey as a "strong female character" when all she is is just some propaganda piece that women don't need a man's help to prevail (because how dare she need Han and Finn's help to break out of Starkiller Base in TFA. Let's give her the Jedi Mind Trick). Ahsoka is a leagues stronger character (not counting anything after TCW Season 5 because the writing is dog-shit from 6 onwards): Like, she is overconfident and brash, but as she gone on and kept training under Anakin'e tutelage, she came into her own by the time she was framed for the Jedi Temple Bombing. And that's the issue here: We are teaching terrible lessons with writing today where we literally have women get everything handed to them while male characters are either bad guys (as seen in Captain Marvel) or incompetent (as they tried to convey in TLJ with Poe getting dismissed and laughed at because how dare he be the voice of reason when Holdo is being a non-communicative c*&t). And when they do struggle, it is played off for laughs (as we see with Thor in Thor: Love & Thunder and Endgame to a slightly lesser degree) whereas female characters get to use this as a jumping point for their villain arc (Multiverse of Madness, anyone?). This pro-feminism agenda is going to give off a tonne of messed-up morals that will eventually lead to a skewed moral framework where being a narcissistic woman is tolerated (if not encouraged) and being a man makes you the bad guy no matter what. I'm calling it right now. Hollywood is creating the next generation of Amber Heards.

[@pradhyudh]

Correct

[@tmbpotatoe5975]

yeah it's sad, before you had female characters that actually gives you a story and a good moral, now the female characters are being used to pushed people's own beliefs or so that more people would watch it

[@everythingthrice]

Disney back in the day loved the whole "Zero to hero" in their movies and now their movies are "Hero the whole time"

[@suonatar1]

Yes, but "zero to hero" requires the movie to tell about the "journey" and that requires storytelling. I'm not sure if the screenwriters nowadays have no skill or if the producers think storytelling won't sell.

[@BlueFireDrakka]

My boss of an english teacher once gave me this advice: Characters are like gemstones; the more impurities a gem has the more brilliant its colour. You need to give your characters flaws to make their positive traits stronger

[@inari3298]

That's actually kind of helpful, I'll keep this in mind the next time I write a carecter.

[@mstrikesback168]

Man, at this rate I must be an amazingly brillant gem in my own personal story. Thanks!

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

I'm borrowing this

[@noobatredstone3001]

@@mstrikesback168 there’s a condition to this unfortunately. The viewers must understand the character’s story to feel more empathy, and preferably watch from afar without interacting with said character.. That’s why this doesn’t really apply to reality

[@QUBIQUBED]

At this rate I’m more brilliant than mettaton’s legs I mean… just so many impurities! Thanks English teacher for your wise words!!

[@justamanofculture12]

*Classic Mulan:* "Takes her father's armor and leaves home at night to join the war so her father didn't have to join the war." *Modern Mulan:* "Throws away her father's armor cause it's slowing her down."

[@Jugendberg]

An incredible comparison. It's like a totally different set of morals and ideas. The modern version is just so secular and egocentric, the idea of throwing away ancestral armor because its "slowing you down" is such a perfect analogy in not just comparing the movies, but of modern culture and the direction we are heading as a society.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Ahh another cheap on the nose example of "women don't need a man's help!".

[@puuhamato6294]

@@Jugendberg In EU for example, it seems we are gladly throwing our culture away so that the muslim "male immigrants" can bring in their cave men beliefs

[@clod8]

@@Crunch_Buttsteak Yeah, and so disrespectful.

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

“Ah yes, let me dispose of the only thing protecting my vital organs and let my hair run wild, that will be perfect for my battle skills and totally not inhibit anything”

[@BryantAvant]

"You come from nothing" "you're a palpatine" and "I'm Rey Skywalker" sum up the ridiculousness of this entire trilogy.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

ha ha ha so true.

[@coffeecemetery6263]

Like tf she is not a Skywalker. I swear Disney is ruining Star Wars with every movie it has-

[@teddykazandjiev]

There is so much more bs there. The first point is her Mary Sue powers witha few months of training. And the Abrams and Johnson thought that just because she is a Palpatine it's okay. But Darth Sidious/ Sheev Palpatine never had power just because of his blood line, The guy was found at age 16/17 by Darth Plaguies the Wise and studied under him until the end of the Phantom Menace when Palpatine is 56 years old. Yeah! It took him 40 years to become the supremely powerful being that can face Yoda, kill several Jedi masters at once and make Darth Vader look like a bitch( albeit that is due to Vader being burned and weakened but still). Ray had like what- 2 weeks of training. But in her case it did not matter and she still won. In comparison, Luke lost to Vader the first time they fought and lost bad. In fact Vader was playing the whole time until Luke hit him on his armor and Vader got pissed and lopped off Luke's hand. That is what makes Luke's growth and eventual victory more real and enjoyable. Yes, Vader was still holding back because he din't want to kill his son but Luke had become more powerful. Ray could have been a 10 times better character if she 1. Had been beaten in TFA at the end by Kylo 2. Turned to the dark side and trained under Kylo, eventually succumbing to his lowly desires and also helping Kylo kill Snoke 3. Turned back to the Light and finishing her training under Luke and eventually killing Palpatine with the help of Kylo. Obviously, Luke and Leia would be alive and okay, Kylo wouldn't die a dumb made up death and all that. Honestly any fanfiction that makes Ray and Kylo more human will be better than what we got.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

@@teddykazandjiev if lucas had completed his star wars movies at the right time,none of these alternative interpretations would have existed. They should have all been completed by 1991 or so. Instead he left everybody up in the air ,produced all this prequel shit.You cant blame johnson or abrams, this was never there baby. Can you imagine of jRR tolkien stopped writing lord of the rings mid flight then 50 years later somebody else picks up the mantel ,it just wouldnt work .This is the calamity that lucas caused. He alone must take the blame for this mess.

[@teddykazandjiev]

@@orangefacedbuddah1776 You do realize that the prequels are part of the story and Lucas made them as well. And they aren't shit. Everybody hated Hayden Christensen because he was an awkward young man but that was the person Anakin was supposed to be. Your comparison is not correct because before ep 7 no one else worked on Star wars. The comparison with Martin would be more accurate- write a significant portion of your books then continue it later. Also Lucas can't be blamed for someone else horrible choices. The sequel trilogy was never his and it plays no role other than to undermine Anakin/ Vader's role as the choosen one by making out Palps to be alive. If anyone could be responsible it's 1. The talentless writters, directors and producers who made the new films and created character that no decent actor could make look good 2. The fans who hated on Lucas' work in the prequels which as it turns out were pretty amazing and have the more cinematic dueling and fights in the entire franchaise.

[@zachariusd6473]

The scariest villains come not of murder, or being mean. But instead, the truly scary villains come from which teach those watching to act immoral, selfish, and plague their thoughts with greed, all while being portrayed as a hero.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

Sound's familiar

[@lordicarus8807]

The villain always thinks he's a hero...

[@zachariusd6473]

@@lordicarus8807 Until he doesn't, and becomes so much scarier Like 1984 for example

[@SolarisKane]

That's why god of the Bible is the scariest villain of all. It's just fortunate he isn't real. But unfortunately many do believe he's real and try to enact their own will upon others.

[@lordicarus8807]

@@SolarisKane Agreed! A god that contradicts itself is clearly unworthy of someone trusting their life to it. What I mean by contradiction is that, for example, it asks us not to kill, yet he does, among thousands of other biblical incoherences...

[@JeffreyDeCristofaro]

"We're instead teaching people to be arrogant, complacent, entitled, narcissistic, and selfish." So true, so sad, and so devastating in the long run.

[@Zergonapal]

I know this is a little philosophical for a KZbin comment, but it seems to me life lessons right now is that no one is gonna look out for you but yourself. My father gave 30 years of his life to a company and when he got sick they would rather fire him than help him out.

[@FIVExTIGERS]

Makes me think of one of my all time favourite characters Vegeta from DBZ. His character arc up to the MJB saga was truly epic. He went from being a cruel, selfish, spoilt, arrogant, entitled narcissist. To sacrificing himself for others, even coming to respect Goku. Coming to value family & friendship beyond his own prideful selfish ambitions. The perfect example of a very flawed villain, who ultimately became a hero. 💪🏽

[@LadyEmaleth]

Are the films teaching people to be like that or are the people already like that and the movies are just showing characters people can relate to?

[@atomictraveller]

@@LadyEmaleth since you'll never have an extracultural point of reference, and never authorise anyone who has, there's not a lot of point in asking. but anyone who wants a free load of smeg can head on down to the local mason lodge, take some coloured lipstick it will be fun

[@dansmith1661]

@@Zergonapal The company is never a replacement for family.

[@jeffwells641]

Moral of original Mulan: If you work hard enough and don't give up you can achieve more than anyone expects you to. Moral of live-action Mulan: If you're born with supernatural powers you can do anything.

[@electrictroy2010]

SHE’S NOT A WOMAN. She’s a magical creature that never makes mistakes. That doesn’t exist in the real world .

[@hisokamorow6709]

Which if u wanna see it from a more sinister take. If you're *not* born with supernatural powers you *can't* do anything -> You are either born great or you are not -> Some people are just born better than others.

[@kainslegacy78618]

Azula : "You had to struggle to reach the position and power you are in now. But, real power, divine power is something you are born with. And, that, is my role." (I know, not a prefect quote.) Seriously though, modern cinema would definitely think that this monologue is from a hero...

[@xavierbontoux7836]

@@hisokamorow6709 And i get even more sinister whith the (less and less) subtle implication that what decide wich people are betters than others comes down to their race and sex......

[@DesertHack]

Moral of live action mulan: "all women are born able to do anything, if not for the supression of their god given ability by non-women"

[@visionforetold4568]

Important note about Mulan you left out: She took her father’s armor and rode off in the middle of the night to go to war so her father didn’t have to. She chose to go go save her family and because she loves her father. A theme that would never be found in today’s films.

[@augustopoliche8908]

Imagine that, sacrificing over a dumb old man.

[@XBeastModeXEPIC]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I was about to type the same thing.

[@starlightbreaker561]

yeah, can't have positive relationships with men in the modern age, men should just be disposable tools to be picked up and thrown away *sadly shakes head*

[@Lonovavir]

Today it's all about the awe inspiring me because narcissism is cool now. No need to think about anyone else or sacrifice for them.

[@queenberuthiel5469]

THIS. Why do they kept ignoring this. The most important theme of Mulan.

[@quintonconoly]

A perfect example of character development is Tony Stark. He starts off as an arrogant jerk, and eventually becomes a selfless hero.

[@PaperMarioParty08]

The original Iron Man is probably one of my favorite MCU movies.

[@tylerhilbig3974]

Agreed. Similar development to Han Solo

[@vitormenezesdemattos967]

Today's messages are all about: "follow your heart", "fight for what matters to you (keyword, "for what matters to you", not "what's right"... say the "for what matters to you" long enough, people won't even realize that they'll equate what matters to them with "what's right")", "Don't ever give up on your dreams", "you are special". That's gonna sound harsh but, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL! There's a chance your dreams can be unachievable or harmful and you'll have to give up on them, What you are fighting for may not be right after all, after all, you are human and can fight for something bad with the best intention. Your heart may be decieving you, often you can't even know you mean something bad when you think you don't, so it should be "watch" your heart instead of "follow" it (That is biblical in fact, Jeremiah 17 9). If these were the messages we were teaching our youth, we would have a far less narcisistic generation and in the end, less depressed

[@DiggityDeeKay]

"Skill and talent that isn't tempered by wisdom, restraint, and experience eventually leads to arrogance, impatience, and a dangerous overestimation of your own abilities... the longer, harder road is what builds character, resilience, and wisdom, the things that will serve you best in life." Beautifully said, cheers Drinker.

[@nenmaster5218]

I agree so hard with this Video(-series) it aint even healthy anymore. That’s why i love the Fact that those that ruin Franchises and/or those that get basic Basics of Basicness like ‚Show, dont Tell’ and ‚Chekovs Gun’ and all such, totally wrong, get called-out. In Fact, Good-Faith-Criticism, especialy inTHICK-LENGTH is getting more and more popular. Hbomberguys entire Channel but especially his Criticism of RWBY and Sherlock, just like Jay Exci covered Doctor Who and Madovcate covered the Flash. And how many did Videos on Santa Inc and High Guardian Spice?

[@reddirtwalker8041]

Something all need to learn, not matter if it comes from a drunk.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@reddirtwalker8041 Yep. Thats why i love recommending-around stuff like Constructive Criticism Essays. A know, the stuff that Hbomberguy did with Sherlock and RWBY, Madovcate did with The Flash TV Series and Jay Exci did with Doctor Who?

[@digitaltailsmon4096]

Heck ya that’s a phrase to live by

[@Theomite]

I have to admit, as cynical as I am, I never would have figured that Woke Messaging in movies could have been an orchestrated social engineering program by the Randian class to terraform the generations of this century into their lackeys. I would've thought Wokeness--which, in principle is entirely opposed to Randian values--would have been too sickening to advocate. But then I remembered Scorpius in FarScape and realized "Yeah, villains can totally degrade themselves to trick their enemies." But it makes sense: Appeal to people's pride and you can get them to exploit themselves. Appeal to their greed and you can get them to exploit others. Appeal to their vanity and you can get them to condone anything. If you can get them to do all 3, then you have an entire society gladly inheriting the Empire that enslaves them. Now that's a long game that would make Palpatine proud.

[@Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin]

I think the idea is they're so afraid of being seen as sexist that they just write women with absolutely no flaws. Ironically though, claiming that for a female character can only be good if she's just perfect at everything from birth and can't just be some normal person who got to where she is through hard work and determination seems way more sexist.

[@yellomello6952]

For sure. The original Mulan tried her hardest to get a husband, before joining the military even as a woman. She tried everything for her father while the intents of new Mulan seemed to be 'patriotism' which seems like another way of kissing the Chinese government's ass for the crap movie to sell.

[@KeldorDAntrell]

That's feminism for ya (and it's feminism that is behind the thinking of modern Western culture). They *are* sexist. They believe women *are* without flaws. Add to that their belief that men are totally and inherently flawed and you have the ultimate expression of sexism. The message these films teach other females is twisted and evil. Worst still, and ironically, the ultimate result will be a backlash against the arrogant, entitled, selfish, and misandristic females of the species that predominant now until the sexes at war with one another. The only possible result of such a war is victory for males and a return to the harsher patriarchy of the past. What is so bad about this is that we don't have time for a gender war. The planet (and thus our continued existence on it) is already at threat from climate change. We need everyone working together to reverse the greenhouse effect.

[@starfox300]

Correct. And the thing is, women get nothing from this, they struggle with a lot of things in their everyday life and they cannot identify with these movie characters at all

[@wankertanker1813]

As if there were never movies made like that with men characters in all of movie history. They're just movies anyway.

[@Bob3D2000]

@@wankertanker1813 No one is saying that that's any better.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

The original Mulan showed that being clever and quick witted could make up for a lack of raw strength, and that being open to unorthodox thinking could lead to victory. That's something anyone can look up to, regardless of gender. I'm a guy, but I was never athletic or strong as a kid, I was always more analytical and intellectual. So I was able to relate to her and be inspired by her ability to overcome obstacles with her quick thinking. But I guess a heroine with universal appeal just isn't equal enough or some shit.

[@jackcraven7979]

I agree u don't need to one up everyone to prove yourself if anything it creates an ego

[@sarroumarbeu6810]

That's why she's such a great role model.... she overcomes obstacles one at a time and accepts the consequences of her mistakes

[@Virenneality]

Exactly!! That's the reason why I resonated with Mulan, not because she's a fellow Asian lady! But I guess everything needs to be "represented" on face values lately.

[@rymle]

"I was more analytical and intellectual" cringe

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

It's not only quick thinking. There is a moment in the training montage where she is near a breaking point and can just go home a failure, but her mistakes would have harmed those around her. Her retrieval of the arrow doesn't only tell us about her intelligence, it tells us about code of honor and her resilience. A good hero character might get beaten up, but finds a way to get back up. Animated Mulan does a lot of that.

[@2ghostworld]

I remember being told that tv "rots your brain" back in the 80's and 90's growing up. I've been teaching over 15 yrs 4thgrade to 8th grade and over the course of the decade (its hard to believe all this time has passed) Ive noticed that students seemed to progressively lose the "if we work as a team, us mentality compassionate mentality" to a more of a I its all about me and what I can get for myself regardless who is in my way" attitude. I have found myself having to step in and show what it means to have compassion and not take things for granted, that a bundle of sticks is stronger than just one stick that snaps without the support of others. I hope that movies realize the message they are branding into young minds and I hate the PC "the message" that is injected in most main stream movies that kids in that age range will watch, will get curious, get on TikTok and find others who are curious as to what a certain celebrity stands for and takes what the actor/actress is saying as the "Bare Naked Be All End All Truth"

[@alexkirrmann8534]

Thats not a thing. Teamwork stuff comes much later, hell I know people 60- 70 years old that can't work as a team. It's just wishful thinking, sorry some humans just suck. Even I sometimes gravitate to selfishness and I have mentally trained not to be from the US government. I think the Drinker is kind of hitting but he is not those virtues so for him to judge others is the same thing as the stuff he is complaining about. Ie selfishness, entitlement, narcissism I don't think berating people and telling them to be better is a great strategy. I like to compare these KZbin channels to a coin who hates the other side of the coin of a two headed quarter. They are everything they say they hate, toxic, no merit and ultimately destructive. They are SJWs and the irony is thick. Humanity will be ok, trust me, we live in a fucking golden age for humanity. Never give up the hill.

[@phreakazoith2237]

Yeah, the 80s. All up for destroying young minds with weird messages. "There is no easy way out, there is no shortcut home" ; "But I'm strong. Strong enough to carry him. He aint heavy, he's my brother. So we go. His welfare is my concern, no burden is he to bear." Does not sound like a bad time to grow up after all. Sounds more like old timey values that better never get outdated.

[@MatthewCoast]

These lessons are a reflection of the inner workings of the people who created them. Enough said...

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Popular media these days are made by the human equivalent of a fax machine.

[@Johnny-Thunder]

Exactly: most movies and videogames are written by dumb kids these days, that is: adults with the mental maturity of dumb kids...

[@BleachDemon707]

You sure you're not a bot? We are all VERY suspicious here of "checkmarked" channels, which are usually bought, and not made.

[@ClockworkAnomaly]

I'd like to know where all the "my man died, what do? Bringing him back didnt work well" stories are coming from psychologically. I have a couple non-PC theories but I'd like to hear what others think.

[@nobody8717]

Why do you think they keep injecting racism into their media... HMMM?????

[@jeffharris3718]

The "Why Modern Movies Suck" series should be required teaching in every film, theatre, and creative writing class on the planet. Well done. AGAIN.

[@joncarter3761]

They don't have time in film school because they're too busy having to learn the intricacies of critical gender and race theory, with a side helping of white guilt, Twitter technique and intolerance to any other view points.

[@zorn1745]

@@joncarter3761 It’s ironic how they create more separation and division from teaching students those things.

[@aristideregnier4883]

@@zorn1745 not ironic. It's exactly and clearly what's intended

[@Splooshua.]

@@joncarter3761 No film school is teaching that stuff lmao

[@JeanPiFresita]

Not to try to make those who manage the current agenda reconsider, but so that future generations of directors, screenwriters, producers, actors, react to the headwashing that they are given

[@silverblade357]

"It's okay to be arrogant, reckless, immoral, malicious, or even stupid as long as everything works out for you in the end!" -Modern Movies

[@Kubizan]

* works out FOR YOU in the end Important detail.

[@damiantirado9616]

Who the fuck cares? Thats a good thing

[@zionleach3001]

Exactly. Then the SJW's use mental gymnastics and the excuse of morally gray. 🙄 No wonder this world is bonkers.

[@robindas2583]

Sounds like US foreign policy.

[@GM-kp7yw]

Netflix movies and series in the nutshell :)

[@timothyknoll4417]

This is such a good point. Making Rey so overpowered and endlessly altruistic basically cut against the central message of the third movie, that you get to choose your family. If they’d planned those movies ahead at all, they would have shown us moments of her giving into rage or cruelty. Because they never showed us that she even had the chance of failing, physically or morally, they pinned themselves into a corner. Her choice didn’t have an emotional impact.

[@blorfgur5430]

“Self-sacrifice is bad” is a sentiment that’s been showing up more and more in recent years.

[@jamesoberry2227]

What’s ironic is that that idea was most notably championed by Ayn Rand. A person they all claim to hate

[@DuBstep115]

Self sacrifice is unnatural and doesn't exist in real world.

[@awesomesauce980]

@@DuBstep115 That is fundamentally untrue

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

There is a gradient to self-sacrifice, to be fair. You can be a completely selfish person "selflessly" hurting someone you "love" "for their own good." (Madoka Magica: Rebellion is a great example of how to write character doing this. A more well-known version of this concept is Misery.) It can be used as a shield to hide your own selfishness behind. Hollywood doesn't understand that level of complexity, though.

[@egopathtime3273]

And it's true, self-sacrifice/Slave Altruism as a virtue has allowed for every horror imaginable. The problem is they are now trying to swap it for more of the same mystic mumbo jumbo. Mainly, delusions.

[@mallios13]

A key thing about Rey is the contradictions in her character. She's supposed to be "All the Jedi" and yet we never see her abide by their ideology. She's aggressive, spiteful, and never hesitates to let negative emotions overtake her. Kylo is the main focus of her negative emotions, and in a showdown between them where they're using the Force on a shuttlecraft, she lets loose with arcs of lightning. While the film no doubt wants us to think that this is a link between her and Palpatine, being his effective granddaughter, that's not how the Force works. You don't get superpowers based on lineage. Force lightning is a potent dark side ability, which basically shows us that all of Rey's negativity has actually pushed her Force powers more and more to that side of the spectrum. She's basically a Sith who calls herself a Jedi, and nobody questions it. The moral of her story is: Girls can be as vile as they want to be, but if they say they're all the good in the world, we have to accept it.

[@TheAzureNightmare]

Rey should have been a "Twist" Antagonist. A little bit like Omni-Man.

[@IanConnel]

I agree. And I think you'd like Big Hero 6, the series. In the second season, the villain is a woman CEO and everybody fawns over her. Only Hiro sees through her.

[@garytwinem5275]

They should have had the guts to actually have Rey be seduced by the Dark Side, a consequence of her impatience and bad attitude. That would have been a much more powerful message. But someone somewhere might have not liked that 🤨

[@jamesduncan6729]

I don't think you can look that deep into it. You have to remember the writers of the Disney trilogy are not star wars fans, they only know of the most common knowledge star wars things. They didn't have her using force lightning as a symbol of dark side corruption, the writers simply went, "ok so she is getting stronger she needs to do some kind of Jedi ability. What can Jedi do when they get stronger? That lightning stuff! She'll do that"

[@tarron3237]

Spot on

[@mdlittle5466]

"The idea that your own personal happiness is literally more important than other people's freedom, well being and personal integrity - this is the world of a villain, not a fucking hero!" True that.

[@flashgordon4339]

Its like the mindset of 'go get vaccinated, so you can protect ME'

[@dansmith1661]

It will be anudda shoah if you don't give us more money, cattle.

[@charlesws7825]

Lex Luthor, Magneto and Doctor Doom would most assuredly agree, my friend. The thing is, villains honestly can't see they're the bad guys. They always have a way to justify themselves. Lex thought he had every right because he had superior intellect (and a lot of money), Magneto was an extremist who would do anything to ensure mutant security through their supremacy, and Doom kept saying he did it all for Latveria or whatever. Maybe they recognize they're doing evil things, but they'll never come out and admit it...kind of like your standard woketard who 'peacefully protests' or cancels and bullies innocent people online for 'social justice'.

[@mariposa9506]

@@flashgordon4339 literally the opposite.

[@chumpion7180]

the post modern leftists

[@creatorsremose]

But that's exactly what we see in the world these days... people fail to recognize a challenge they need to overcome, instead they see injustice. It's not they who need to do better, it's the whole world around them. I hate what we've become.

[@Viewable11]

This is the symptom of toxic femininity: entitlement and hubris: _"I am perfect, I am queen, I am a goddess, and therefore I deserve to get everything and everything bad is the fault of other people."_ Unfortunately this is the dogma of all entertainment created in the US since 2016. The origin of this dogma lies in the core of femininity which has never known the concept of improving oneself or work to deserve to get good things. This concept is the core of masculinity. The fact that this concept has been eradicated from US entertainment coincides with then fact that masculinity has been eradicated as well (all males in entertainment are stupid, incompetent, lazy, emotionally unstable and needy and evil).

[@BlackLightPsych6249]

Creator's Remorse a great lesson, in flawed perception....

[@berendhol4060]

“I dont need to stop being obese, the rest of the world should stop seeing negative traits as negative if i possess them”

[@JohannGambolputty22]

It’s text book narcissistic personality disorder.

[@Avus86]

That's pretty simplistic. There is a LOT of injustice, and numbers prove it. You mix up two things here...The problem is that this woke crap people ONLY do exactly that: deleting themselves from the equasion and shaking off all and any responsibility for their own actions (in regard to the world and especially reality - again proven by numbers).

[@rafaelmusacchio5257]

I think most people here didn't grasp that message, modern movies: teach us that we're perfect regardless of what the way we are. A very crappy way to feed narcissistic people. Old movies: everyone has their shortcomings, struggles, flaws but through hard work, sacrifice and determination we can overcome those challenges and achieve what we want.

[@foobarmaximus3506]

It's the same nonsense that gave us participation trophies. No, everyone can not be a champion. Again, that's just common sense. Be the best you can be, and focus on that. Even men have limitations.

[@edbaldwin9201]

I am beautiful in every way … no matter what I do or say … and if you don’t agree I will cancel you! What a lovely, lovely world we are crafting now that we have finished creating God in our own image.

[@dlaniganohara]

I mean, its bad writing. He didnt bring up a single well celebrated piece of work in the video, because those are well written and would go against his point. Only exception is Wandavision, but I think everyone was disappointed by that awful finale

[@mrlunar62]

@@edbaldwin9201 i mean if u r going to be toxic about ones thoughts and ur going to be offensive, sure ur gonna get canceled. but never once did anyone get canceled for disagreeing unless its something ultra cynical. And superman is an example of the "i am perfect" mentality. or batman. or iron man.

[@rookiedrifter4273]

@@mrlunar62 Mmmm.... no. Superman, Batman, and Iron Man all are VERY aware of the flaws they possess. Clark knows that he sees the good in people to the extent that he'll give them the benefit of the doubt right up until they critically injure him. You could probably steal food off of the Kent Farm, and instead of apprehending you and turning you into the police, Superman would ask around and find out you're an orphan, and get all the work done to put you into a stable foster home. Bruce Wayne is WELL aware that he always sees the bad in people, to the extent that he is always plotting ways to take someone down if they get near him. Bruce Wayne alone has so many more examples I could write you a book. The dude literally put his own alter ego on trial once, because he knew he was wrong and went too far and wanted to prove to Gotham that Batman is just a man, and he can make mistakes, and it's on Gotham and its people to hold him accountable for those mistakes. Tony is very aware that his recklessness, both physically and financially, often comes back to bite him in his own ass. For God's sake, the dude had to get a physical reminder of it in the form of the Arc Reactor implanted in his chest because of shrapnel from a blast from HIS OWN MISSILE! They acknowledge these flaws, own up to them, and either admit that it's honestly not a bad flaw to have because it would probably make the world a better place (in the case of Clark seeing the good in people too frequently), or they have their friends assure them that they'll be there to cover them when it goes wrong (literally the whole reason Bruce and Clark are best friends. He stops Clark from getting too "Everything will be fine!", and he stops Bruce from getting all "Everything will go wrong!").

[@markmarderosian9657]

I knew some of the folks who worked on "Mulan" in 1997. They were earnest, talented artists, determined to make the best story and entertainment they could. The recent "remake" was a horrifying cash grab that totally misunderstood everything important about storytelling and character development. There's simply no longer an excuse to support this constant tripe.

[@ajpat9620]

Apart from Mulan live-action remake being just a horrifying cash grab, it's utterly despicable that it even endorsed the terrible actions of the CPP and the atrocities that the Uyghurs population had experienced in Xinjiang and to add insult to injury, the actress who played Mulan in that remake even voiced her support on the brutality of the police suppressing the protesters in Hong Kong in 2019, and it all summed up as a perfect storm of disaster. Clearly, the Mulan remake *really* left a terrible taste in everyone's' mouths and minds and it shows.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

it's done to sever generational connections while destroying these properties as cultural touchstones. It's win-win for the Marxists. Either the generations will clash over the "spirit" and "quality" of the properties Or both generations will forever reject the properties ....both result in the same thing - disintegration from culture Understanding this dynamic and the intentions behind it is a pre-requisite to understanding the bigger picture. films CAN be "horrifying cash grabs", but that's been true of all ages and arts. Today though....FAR more valuable than cash to these people at this stage of the game - the Unveiling, we'll call it - is a steady destruction of the "old ways"

[@pete3011]

I'd be willing to bet a part of it is also that the artists on the original likely earned their positions though their talent and work, while those on the new one didn't, but were given their positions based on nepotism or other more base qualities, so the premise of what happened in the original was a foreign idea to them.

[@hexcodeff6624]

@@merrylderrickson3147 I don't think anyone building their worldview after the socio-economic analysis of Karl Marx is in favor of anything the Chinese Regime does (Except fighting poverty in their country and building useful infrastructure. That's unpolitically based) Talking about the Marxists that way is kinda like saying the persecution of the Jewish people by Nazi-Germany was win-win for the "Nietzschiens".

[@merrylderrickson3147]

@@hexcodeff6624 correct, marxists don't build their worldviews on the tenets of Marxism any more than they build them from clay. the difference between Marxists and marxists is multifold; they share one thing in common, aside from hollow language, an ethos derived-from and seeking-only ONE thing: material gain. Assuming a marxist has ANYTHING they'd be willing to fight for outside of equity is a huge mistake. One that Marxists NEVER make. marxists reject responsibility, they reject family, they reject nationalism, they reject their own cultures and ancestry, and they are playing a zero sum game drawn up by people who developed these paradigms and know exactly how to use carrots and sticks to make jackasses line themselves up into stalls. as far as your point re: neitzsche, i simply don't follow your logic. it rather looks like youre conflating citizens and armies and philosophy with policy

[@paulsmith410]

How did a "barely functional Scottish alcoholic" become the voice of reason in these bizarre times? Great stuff as always.

[@YouTube_username.]

And why are the escapist dilettante super-yacht channels breaking oligarch news? interesting times, as the curse goes

[@Nostromo2144]

Because if he wasn't he'd be clinically depressed and potentially suicidal, in a world like this...? 8-/

[@RialuCaos]

Well you do need some strong coping mechanisms when you see the world as it is.

[@foobarmaximus3506]

Because we take it where we find it. And this man has some things to say that we all know are true. It's good to hear some decent common-sense analysis these days. He is spot-on and makes me feel better - because I believe the same things. This country is getting messed up by Hollywood, and lots of other bad examples.

[@CrossRoadsOfTime]

because of one scary fact, even he is still more functional then the guys who are making the movies these days.

[@RafidNassir]

But movies aren’t the only thing teaching kids how to be decent people, parents play a huge role of…. Oh, wait… that’s being destroyed by society also.

[@ClTHtiB]

Darn it they got you there

[@henryhere]

@@abel4776 seeing parents go rotten because of outside problems makes me so mad. In my hometown where I grew up, a whole group of 5 siblings moved in at once. Not their parents, just them, because their parents were extremely abusive and are now in jail. The two oldest sibling had started taking care of their younger siblings in place of the parents because the parents were horrible people. The kids, even the very young ones, had to feed themselves because their parents refused to. I felt so bad for them, and it makes me feel super lucky to have good parents. Fortunately they're all doing great now, living with some other relatives who are much better people, but seeing a 5 year old and his older siblings have to leave their home due to abusive parenting just made me so sad.

[@pineapplelollipop1074]

@@abel4776 as a kid I don’t understand why adults hate any kid disagreeing with them, I get it can be disrespectful but if they are doing something wrong, it’s hard to say that and help them to improve without being disrespectful, especially for younger kids who don’t understand the nuances of language and society.

[@pineapplelollipop1074]

@@abel4776 not sure what that means but if this is good for you I’m glad to hear it!

[@pineapplelollipop1074]

@@abel4776 Ohhhh, you are pointing out the irony of me referring to younger children in the same way adults would refer to me by using sarcasm, right? I’ve never watched that movie but from the summary I think that’s what you are saying.

[@threearrows2248]

I saw a movie last night, a romantic comedy, where the actual point of the movie is that *sometimes* cheating is ok. And it made it out to be a really cute story. I felt so gross after watching.

[@robert-asdf]

sickening..

[@KestraBeats]

thats will smith and Jada lol

[@threearrows2248]

@@KestraBeats 🤢🤢🤢

[@cherrycoyote55]

What is the movie called?

[@derkeheath5172]

Sorry, but unless you give the title of the movie, I don't believe you.

[@LordSpink]

I'm 32 & remember as a child that any time we read a story, we would talk about: what the moral of the story is. It's something thats stuck with me throughout all sorces of entertainment & your intro perfectly sums it up. A lot of modern day entertainment is less about doing the right thing, or striving to be better, & more about using your circumstances as an excuse for your behaviour. It's just normalizing mordern generations to have a 'take no responsibility' & 'blame others' attitude. (which as you said with Tik Tok) Can be seen all throughout.

[@AerysTMD]

Tiktok is subversion propaganda designed to weaken the west's next generation. Heck, almost all mainstream culture stuff nowadays are turning out exactly what Yuri Bezmenov tried to warn us about.

[@atomictraveller]

it's almost as if all the movies were made by freemasons to make you dysfunctional and you're a bunch of people who can never fucking figure it out and stop watching all the shit it's like when john quincy adams was in the antimasonic party but no one remembered, or oj simpson did that stuff to cover up the mkultra child rape verdict on the same date in history but you also forgot again..

[@carljohan9265]

Do you know who else famously adopts the "it's everyone else's fault" attitude? Terrorists. I gotta agree with drinker, this shit bothers me.

[@gobot4455]

Ah. You must mean that previous generations took responsibility for curbing greenhouse gas emission, gun violence in society, exponential growth in the national debt and handled systemic racism. No? Damned kids these days and their tik tok taking no responsibility for society.

[@ct4074]

All true. These latest movies reflect a decaying immoral culture bred out of entitlement and privilege, narcissism, and no accountability. Shells of empty souless arrogant know-it-all punks.

[@jdraven0890]

You are right. And here's an even worse interpretation of The Message: "You are perfect, exactly as you are. You only fail or can't achieve your wildest dreams because other people are unfairly holding you back." It doesn't take much to draw the horrifying conclusion that those "other people" need to be eliminated.

[@damiantirado9616]

It’s true that the system does indeed hold people back a lot. The elites. That’s why the Batman has such a good and strong political message.

[@Lonovavir]

Aka the world hates me mindset where everyone else is your enemy if they gush about your greatness. Now imagine a world where everyone thinks like thus, wait...... we're increasingly living in it.

[@herheartbeats5727]

At least, when those "other people" don't superstitiously and blindly admire and respect and obey you, head down... . "bow to my splendor, insects ! I'm the only side of humanity who counts !" xd

[@bobross1829]

Exactly, this is a good message for children, as their potential is unknown, but a TERRIBLE message for adults. Unless you live in a totalitarian system, once you are an adult if you fail, 90% of the time it is YOUR fault. The times where it is not your fault are rare.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@damiantirado9616 Oh, you mean the same elites that pay you?

[@5BBassist4Christ]

Great video. The narcissism I'm seeing in so many modern movies bothers me too. One example I often use is the comparison between the Toby Maguire SpiderMan compared to the Andrew Garfield SpiderMan. Toby's SpiderMan lives well the standard of "With great power comes great responsibility". At the start of his first movie he has some flaws. He seeks to use his power for his own personal benefit (making money to buy a car to impress a girl), but that action leads to the death of Ben. From then on Peter is using his power to help people. In his second movie, his using the power to help other people is making him fail college, lose jobs, barely scrape by enough money to live in an apartment. Even his aunt is struggling financially. Eventually he has enough and gives up and starts putting his life back together, but he isn't able to do that for long before having to return to hero work. Toby's SpiderMan is selfless. Andrew's SpiderMan is the complete opposite. He steels a random guy's badge to break into a highly secret facility, which then gets the guy arrested for trespassing, and Peter just laughs as he watches. HE LAUGHS AS HE WATCHES ANOTHER MAN GET HAULED AWAY BECAUSE HE STOLE HIS IDENTITY!!! He uses his powers to show off to his classmates and to impress a girl, and constantly talks back to her father. In the end he makes a promise to Gwen's father that he will leave her alone to keep her out of harms way, but then in the second movie he breaks the promise leading to her death. Tom Holland's SpirderMan is constantly trying to do the right thing, but he always does it in an attempt for personal gain. He fights crime to impress Stark so he can be an Avenger. It is then in the end that he realizes his place is as a Friendly Neighborhood SpiderMan and turns down Stark's offer. This is character development. In his second movie he's constantly wanting to escape responsibility so he can enjoy a vacation with a girl, and it leads to the rise of a conniving villain who reveals his identity. In his third movie he tries to get everybody to forget about him so he can get back to his normal life, but ends up causing mayhem across New York. So then he comes to terms with what he needs to do, and he selflessly saves the world by making everybody forget he exists, -even his best friend and girlfriend. Toby's SpirderMan is about using your power to help others, even at a personal cost. Andrew's SpiderMan is about using your power to promote yourself, and maybe help others while you do it. Tom's SpiderMan is about trying to use your power to serve yourself and others, but ultimately finding that to be impossible, and so thus chooses to help others instead of yourself. Toby's SpiderMan and Tom's Spiderman are good moral teachers, Toby's better than Tom's, but Tom's is good too. Andrew's SpiderMan is a trash human-being.

[@kriyadas3280]

Clean take, well written

[@eduardopazhurtado3882]

Totally agree with this. You neverm empathize with Garfield's Peter, because he's a dickhead, look how his stupid attitude with Captain Stacy, makes him look like a spoiled brat. It was obvious he wasn't going to keep his promise.

[@vectorkaiser]

Most modern movies are indeed teaching people to become villains rather than heroes, especially when they don't show the consequences of acting that way. Great video Drinker!

[@Odious_One]

I don't think its teaching them to be villains as much as it is just destroying the difference between heroes and villains. I mean what is the difference between the two now? Just the label.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Yeah saw The Batman now I want to be Hitler - indeed - great video I agree on how to be stupid

[@Odious_One]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 You are not funny or intelligent. Your ego will not allow you to hear or veiw things from any other perspective than the ones someone else gave you. Good job on proving one of the points made in the video.

[@namethis658]

>>they don't show the consequences of acting that way// Consequences? All the quitters prosper and all the cheaters win, like a saying goes...

[@redfordreddington8834]

@spidey you MCU shill

[@Erilis000]

I could never quite put into words why all of these movies rubbed me the wrong way but you summed it up perfectly.

[@kriskater]

Critical drinker is a very smart and insightful dude

[@wiktoria2474]

EXACTLY

[@PelagiMilitis]

Yeah, same. Could never quite put my finger on what exactly current day movies lacked. Knew it had something to do with character development, but he really hit the nail on the head, especially with Disney movies. They're all copy and paste from one another now which is tiresome

[@YouTube_username.]

and in games these days: health magically regenerates, auto aim...

[@zocava90]

I first noticed it in Frozen 2. Some of Olaf’s lines were random “woke” bs. It made me notice because it was out of place and not in character. He was supposed to be light hearted and funny. Why can’t we just enjoy a simple story to escape? Why do we need PC bs in everything we watch from Hollywood??

[@f145hr3831jr]

The fact that modern Hollywood movies are written by overgrown children as stated in a previous video might explain why they also teach awful life lessons. These two go hand in hand.

[@slevinchannel7589]

"Plot, Character and Theme are the Fundamentals of Storytelling. The newest Iterration of long-running Show Doctor Who catastrophically fails at all of 'em." -Jay Exci in his now-legendary Review, much resembling Drinker's WMMS-Video-Series.

[@Barcodez5555]

if you're above say 25... no one cares... they only care about influencing the younglings.... it's why the content is elementary

[@BillLaBrie]

Written by and for.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@BillLaBrie Yeah

[@1247.cccccc]

They're also pedo groomers that must be angling for easier targets.

[@SimpleAmadeus]

Modern feminism is not about raising women up. It's about setting them up for disappointment. The main idea is to create a large group of angry people. The flawed strategy is to think that an angry mob of societal failures will accomplish something productive by the power of their combined hatred.

[@ЯрославЯковлев-ш8х]

They are basicly wanna produce sith in our world lol

[@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836]

Let me guess. Are you a white male who feels threatened by women angry about being treated like shit? Or perhaps a privileged woman who does not understand why other women are angry because you have been able to coast by while everyone else was screwed?

[@TROLGUY999]

that is the most accurate line describing modern feminism...thanks im saving that.

[@FCTH597]

Heck if that's reslly the case I can smell WW3 coming in 3 generations at most

[@SimpleAmadeus]

@@FCTH597 I don't expect it to be a generational thing, because feminism is one of those anti-childbirth ideologies that actively undermines its own procreation. There's a decent chance that this world war has already started, though.

[@shieldwallofdragons]

The thing about Mulan is that she didn't join the army to be a strong woman who feel like she is not respected and wants to be freed from the patriarchy...she does it to save her father who would surely die if he went, and he would go no matter the cost because he is an honorable man...She also does it for the honor of her family.

[@aka-47k]

no he would have to go because in middle ages if you are told you join the army you do or your executed...so yeah hes ded. the rule was 1 soldier from every family, else....

[@darkknight7040]

@@aka-47k i believe the point of talking about her father... his own family tried to get him to fight and argue that he was unfit to go to war in his condition despite the fact its exactly as you said the difference is... her father IS an honorable man, and was going to accept the summons without complaint because he is Patriotic and was willing to lay his life for his country!! a characteristic btw... most young people, the newer generations, dont have

[@Derzull2468]

@@darkknight7040 A characteristic they don't have. But should they? Is it a good thing to forfeit your life for a corrupt government that hates your guts?

[@xklappergestellx6268]

@@Derzull2468 No, of course not! But that isn't always the case in every government. The important question is always: Does the government actually care for their people or not?

[@SepticFuddy]

@@xklappergestellx6268 I imagine his comment was colored by the fact that in the current age, the answer is always "no", regardless of where you live. In the past there was at least a chance of the answer being "yes."

[@raureif1874]

I can't imagine how hard it must be as a 12 year old girl being constantly taught that "strong" woman are perfect in any conceivable way. Only to realise that they themselves have to study to pass school exams or that they have no chance in sports competition against physically superior boys. If teenage me would be taught this, I would feel as an inferior sub-human that is not worthy of being a proper adult. Simply because I was not born perfect and have to learn and train to perform skillful tasks. How can you cope with that?

[@val_nightlily]

You can't. This nonsense is incredibly destructive. I've known a couple of people who were taught by their parents that if you weren't instantly expert at something, it wasn't worth doing. It really limited them until they got old enough to recognize what garbage it was.

[@simplegarak]

@@val_nightlily Bingo. We really need nowadays reminders that bobody does it perfect the first time. Even prodigies will have some mistakes and missteps. That it's only by practice and repetition that a person gets closer to perfection.

[@cassius573]

The stronk wahmen schtick became a trope. It produces dissonant and depressed girls that project a narcissistic persona while endulging in self-harming behaviors in the name of hedonism.

[@amonamarth4107]

They dont and they take their anger out on men

[@Patrick-857]

Modern feminism projects strength and power but subconsciously instills weakness and helplessness in it's followers. It cannot be properly understood as a movement to empower women, because if it was that once it certainly isn't now. It all makes sense if you see it as a tool of disempowerment, division and subversion. It makes sense if you see it as a movement that has been subverted and now works against it's foundational values. Somebody really wants us all to be weak, hopeless and obedient consumers who never ask questions. They certainly don't want men or women finding their true power.

[@quuu42]

I remember being genuinely shocked at the 'Rey Skywalker' moment. It would have been so much more affecting and inspiring if she had owned her real name of Rey Palpatine. Showing that she is not defined by her family name, or her ancestors' legacy and will not be ashamed of where she came from. But instead: "I'm going to choose the hero name for myself and just ignore/hide from the truth"

[@Zac_Frost]

Right? It'd show that names are just things other people give you, but things you define yourself. I don't see how that's supposed to be uplifting. In my theater, when she said that, and the music swelled like it was supposed to be a huge thing, I actually heard someone behind me go "What the fuck? Really?"

[@insane_troll]

My impression is that they called it "Rise of Skywalker" to ride off the popularity of Luke Skywalker and suggest he was coming back somehow. Then since they weren't doing that, they had to do something to justify the name of the film, and that was the best they could think of.

[@Zac_Frost]

@@insane_troll It's really sad if *THAT* was the best they could come up with... Hell, I could come up with a few better ideas than that if you woke me up from a Rum-induced drunken stupor after a bar fight...

[@donutbevil9669]

"Rey Skywalker" is cringe even if it was "done well".

[@maxroy5246]

It’s like they’re literally saying it’s alright to rewrite history and claim the mantle of people who did things you had nothing to do with

[@alurkingislander]

The original Mulan is incredible in this area because it doesn't set up Mulan as superior like the other one does. The old one says she is an equal to all the other characters, not because she can do all the same things but because she has her own strengths. She can do some things better, and the other characters can do some things better. It has nothing to do with gender other than to say they are equal. Mulan thinks outside the box. She solves solutions with her mind, not because she is smarter, more intelligent, but because she is more creative. Not Because of her gender, just because she is different. It treats her as a human being, whereas the remake only sees her gender. She used her other abilities because she needs to overcome the disadvantage she has in the physical realm of fighting. She has the grit and determination to do so. I love the message that she is an equal, just as capable as the others, without taking away the other characters' value, or saying that they all have to be the same. It allows for a genuine friendship of equals, and a wholesome character dynamic. Not this fighting over who is better based on a genetic coinflip the new movie pushes out.

[@DrRasputin2012]

Paradoxically, I think modern movies have actually helped to bring me and my family closer together. Because instead of sitting in a dark cinema getting lectured to for two hours, we now sit around a board game, or pack a picnic, or go for walks. So thanks Hollywood! Your poor hectoring and badgering movies have helped our family save money and bring us closer together by doing other stuff, instead of lining your pockets.

[@____Carnage____]

Same except we mostly play UNO, Mario Kart or watch actual good tv shows

[@SweatyFatGuy]

I'm not saving any money, but my daughter and I will be closer thanks to me not watching TV for the last 35 years. I am building her a drag car so we can go racing together. Its a good way for her to learn how to do all the work required keeping a vehicle running, so if she ever has kids, that knowledge can be passed along. Movies I like are very rare these days, if I watch it more than once I like it. So far the only movies in the last 15 years I have watched a second time were Ford vs Ferrari, and the John Wick movies, well the first two. The third is kinda meh. There are no good TV shows. Its all anti male crap and virtue signaling that makes my ex's favorite show 'designing women' look right wing.

[@xminusone1]

@@SweatyFatGuy Yes, that's exactly what I've done a couple of years ago. Me and my daughter (the oldest one) are also into cars. We have restored 2 cars together. It's great hobby and she learned actual useful things. 65 t-bird convertible and a 74 trans-am.

[@Heath5151]

Underrated comment, but probably the most important one!

[@jimyoung9262]

Well said. They make it easy to avoid their slop.

[@52joker64]

That's why I love the Lion Kings message. "Sh*t happens. Deal with it". Not many movies have that as their message

[@ARuiz-eu3hk]

Another message also was mention (implicitly) with it in the movie. "And if you can't deal with it or can't handle it. You die. That's life."

[@52joker64]

@@ARuiz-eu3hk a good old-fashioned moral. What could be better?

[@Destroyer120296]

@@ARuiz-eu3hk "The past can hurt but you can either run from it or learn from it" That is another good one. Lion king basically says that bad shit will happen to you in life,it is unfair and you may suffer or "Loose" but you should always try to strive forward and remember who you are as a person and not forget your own values or desires

[@BiscuitGeoff]

That’s because Lion King is a straight rip of Hamlet, only with talking animals and a happy ending.

[@greatone7314]

@@BiscuitGeoff Another "Reimagining"

[@cymes82]

Correction: Animated Mulan didn't join the army as a sign of patriotism. She did it to protect her elderly father.

[@PappityPaps]

To protect the patriarchy??? REEEEEEEE

[@chumpion7180]

@@PappityPaps "Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech

[@Redrosewitch]

Yes. That makes it beautiful. Her family would be dishonoured by not sending someone to fight. And she takes it very seriously.

[@MrMarttivainaa]

@@PappityPaps "BUT MY DADDY DIDN'T LOVE ME SO SHE CAN'T LOVE HER FATHER RRREEEEE"

[@MrMarttivainaa]

@@Redrosewitch Iirc her father who had weak legs from an old battle wound would have been forced to join the army again which would have been a death sentence. The ruling was, one man from every household.

[@evewhoo]

I think we’re in a timeline where the arts and creativity just aren’t appreciated anymore by the masses. I mean, people’re talking about ai replacing artists so… People don’t wanna learn hard life lessons. They want easy, and shallow, and the people making these things want… well… money. Lots of easy money. And I think the lessons that these new movies are teaching may or may not speak a lot about the people who wrote them… At least the things they believe in.

[@h.d.a7015]

So true

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

To be fair, the masses aren’t actually paying to see this trash.

[@frankvandorp9732]

Nonsense. Arts and creativity are still appreciated by the masses, but they aren't appreciated by the narcissists who control the entertainment industry and the media. That's why they keep pumping out these movies that aren't enjoyed by anyone except their own bubble of rich coastal liberals.

[@ZeeroDubs]

I remember getting scolded constantly by my friends due to my disdain for the political underpinnings and screwed up life lessons of certain movies. It was always the same ol' "its just a movie". But throughout all of history cultures and societies have been sculpted by the stories they tell. And the slope towards degeneracy has clearly been slipery. We are headed for hard times indeed.

[@JSPena]

Damn, you got a point there.

[@WorldWalker128]

@Atom Eff off, spammer

[@killjoyredux8361]

Correct.

[@troyriser8074]

The hard times have arrived.

[@kazzman28]

well we all know the G. Michael Hopf quote

[@Alex-hz2xg]

“Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.” - George Orwell

[@foobarmaximus3506]

And imagination means nothing in the real world of actual effort and results. He was right. People are full of shit.

[@relskull3324]

@@foobarmaximus3506 my language is not english i can't understand meaning of this "And imagination means nothing in the real world of actual effort and results" can you explain more clearly?

[@Daraxyn]

@@relskull3324 I’m not sure either but I think he means that imagination won’t help you to get success as you need actual hardwork and effort.

[@BockInAction]

Its quite dangerous to believe this quote will be valid forever

[@Lastofthefreenames]

@@relskull3324 It's honestly kind of stupid because imagination is source of art and stories.

[@jessehutchings]

The animated Disney's Mulan is an incredible film from every angle. I watched it tons of times as a kid. The unavoidable life dilemma, the human drama, the big secret, the close friends, the great battle, the seeming crushing failure and courageous defiance of the odds and restoration of peace and order .. Even the art direction is great

[@reasonablyserious]

Don't forget the songs

[@TheRealSoftR]

They forgot the tiny dragon in the new live action one 😞

[@BloodyMidNightSun]

And no Mushu! He was the best character besides Mulan in that animated film!

[@svg3876]

The sound track from that movie is a banger.

[@gianna526]

That's my favorite Disney movie, and I'm rarely inspired by movies. But that movie was actually incredibly inspirational for me personally. I'm not physically strong, and I've always felt like that means I'm useless and will just have to spend my life doing boring shit, because I get tired out easily and collapse when I try to work out. But Mulan taught me that brute force isn't everything, and to take advantage of your brain, and wits. Since then I've figured out a way to strengthen my muscles, but it still speaks to me a lot. When I watched the new one, I didn't feel anything but disgust. Mulan was born with magic powers, and is able to flip around with ease when she's just a kid. Then she almost kills someone with her power but everyone's like nah, it'll be fine, and then she throws off armor because yes.

[@thestonemaroc]

Disguising villains as heroes and then teaching their lessons to children is an absolutely terrifying idea, and even more so that this is what's actually happening. God have mercy on all of us

[@cord113]

This brings me back (yet again) to the original Aliens movies. One of the things that made Ellen Ripley such a great character is that she was terrified of what she was facing, something Sigourney Weaver was great at portraying. The Xenomorphs in Aliens were quite literally the physical embodiment of her worst nightmares and she went to face them anyway. She even tooled up and went straight into their nest in order to save someone she cared about.

[@cord113]

...but of course strong female characters were never a thing until recently because men feel threatened by them, so she doesn't count. Funny how most modern movies can't make women look strong withough making men look weak.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

Cord, you should watch the Outlander movie, with Jim Cavizel. It's on KZbin at the moment.

[@Nostromo2144]

Sure. Damn shame then though that they gave Weaver final choice of script for #3. What a mess.

[@cord113]

@@Nostromo2144 I'm sure there's a sexist joke about women drivers in there somewhere...

[@powerbeard5653]

@@Nostromo2144 from what i heard, she didnt even want to be in that movie in the first place. they must have given her the choice in order to keep her there.

[@234dannyboy]

In the words of JRR Tolkien: “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”

[@netshaman9918]

Words of Terry Goodking :"evil likes to put on the diaphanous veil of virtue".

[@IDHLEB]

You've just quoted TV Tropes, not JRR Tolkien

[@Vyable__]

@@IDHLEB It kinda was one of Tolkien’s main messages

[@av_oid]

“Amazon cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have made” - JRR Tolkien on The Rings of Power series (probably).

[@wolfmondschein4999]

Like when USA took germanys nuclear bombs and threw it on Japan?

[@TheT1m3L0rd]

“Anakin’s inflated belief in his own superiority costs him everything” You missed the chance to say “cost him an arm and a leg” there

[@amberslahlize7961]

At least now he has a reason to hate sand - get it? Because it'd get in the gears of his suit and jam everything up. Lol! Okay I'll go away now.

[@voodoobooty4645]

Nice!!!!!

[@NatePrawdzik]

@@amberslahlize7961 That joke was course and rough.

[@atomicdancer]

@@amberslahlize7961 Obi Wan: "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would enjoy the sand - not hate it! Build sandcastles on the beach - not jump on them!" Anakin: "I HATE SAND!!"

[@StarlasAiko]

An arm and two legs, to be precise

[@jneumy566]

One thing I never quite noticed about Anakin is that part of his mentality that he's the most powerful Jedi ever and his desire for victory to make the galaxy a better place is stoked and fueled by everyone telling him he's the Chosen One and that that's what he's meant to do, so he feels like he's supposed to be really good at everything and when stuff doesn't always work out, he gets upset and frustrated because he didn't have the power to stop something bad from happening and yet everyone's telling him how he's the Chosen One and how he's supposed to be so powerful and whatnot. The prophesy raises his expectations of himself so when those expectations aren't always met, he finds things or people to blame it on besides himself, because he's the Chosen One, it can't be his fault, but that's not just him telling himself that, it's also kinda what everyone else is telling him too by constantly talking to him about being the Chosen One

[@disappointmentprobably7871]

Ultimately, the lessons we teach in films both reflect the values this generation upholds in society, and shape the values that will be abided by the next. And in a time where reprehensible messages are forced down throats, reintroducing good morals in cinema or television will be equivalent to rebelling against the degeneracy of modern culture. It will be a tough, but surely worthwhile battle to preserve the moral standards of generations to come.

[@donttrustme6262]

Just waiting for the dark ages to come again, seems like we are approaching it, the virus, the ongoing war/s, the great downfall of economy.

[@1kbmahan]

Good modern movie lesson take no responsibility. No matter what you do you’ll be right. Actions have no lasting meaning. You’re the hero and as long as everyone is happy there’s a happy ending at the end.

[@bbbbbbb51]

@@donttrustme6262 God I hope so

[@Charlie-fk4ly]

If there's one thing I learned from Star Wars, it is that Rebellions are built on Hope So let us fight to once more that the values of old would once more be represented en masse on modern cinema. Whatever methods they may be

[@realambientasmr]

What "reprehensible messages?"

[@Direkin]

It's great how even Chinese KZbinrs were talking about how the animated version of Mulan was so much better than the live action, which they thought was very disrespectul to the story.

[@s3cr3tpassword]

The entire point of the movie was to pander to China, and yet somehow they still hired white American writers to write the plot. Like wtf???? Non of the things make sense, the poor family can’t have a phoenix emblem, that’s not how chi works, that shape shifting character would be highly respected

[@perry92964]

i didnt see the cartoon but i thought the live action ok, of course i watched it from the perspective of its a fantasy film where chi is like a spiritual power that can possess someone and make them a kung fu master in a week. very similar to all the 70's kung fu movies i used to watch as a kid on saturday afternoons kung fu theater.

[@Redrosewitch]

Yes indeed. And no wonder. This was a real woman who performed an amazing service to their country.

[@DreamyAileen]

@@perry92964 Then you _should_ watch the animated movie, because it is infinitely better than the live-action movie in every way.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

@@perry92964 A key trope of those old kung fu movies is the training sequence, in which either a complete amateur or fighter vastly inferior to his new teacher is humbled over and over again, works his butt off and shows immense dedication to learning something difficult and new to him. Generally speaking, magic or chi quickly turning you into a kung fu master is not a thing in those movies. Chi is not even ever supposed to be something acquired quickly, if at all.

[@Mysikrysa]

It´s actually even worse with Rey because she is emotional and always angry when she fights, so it means she channels the dark side and should be a Sith, not a Jedi. Even Kylo Ren is more focused and calm when he fights.

[@martmine4618]

She is completely a Sith, and the new trilogy ending is a complete dark end, where a sith overtakes the skywalker name for herself.

[@ianjacka469]

I must be getting old I got Kylo Ren muddled up with Kenshiro from the 80s anime Fist of the North Star...actually had to google it to check, how embarrassing. I'm that old I saw Return of the Jedi first time round at the cinema, and was so young I even liked the Ewoks, lol.

[@lizycole8999]

Sequel Trilogy would've been more interesting if she and Kyle Ron had switched sides with each other in TLJ, just a thought

[@TroySpace]

@@ianjacka469 to be fair, Kylo Ren did walk away from that fight and Luke Skywalker was already dead.

[@matthewrawls1184]

@@lizycole8999 I still think the sequel trilogy should have been all about finding true balance between the dark and light sides of the force, i.e. the Gray Jedi. To show the arrogance and the limited vision and lack of acceptance exhibited by both the Jedi and the Sith. And it would be revealed that the true meaning of the prophecy of Anakin would be that he was supposed to be the first Gray Jedi to "bring balance to the Force", instead of being brainwashed by the Jedi into believing that the "balance" meant to completely destroy the Sith and thus literally ignoring a complete half of the Force (the Dark side). That led to Anakin being easily corrupted to the Dark side. So instead of two factions believing they each have all of the answers and are the only "good" in the universe, some hubris and wisdom prevails, and the balance is truly restored to the Force with the remaining Sith and Jedi joining together to form a new order together that learns that they are much stronger combined than separate, and there are completely new Force abilities that are capable when the Light and the Dark sides of the Force are combined, and that the notion of there being two "sides" to the Force were always arbitrary and actually against all of what the Force represents anyway. Light side = life and Dark side = death and you can't have either one without the other, and neither is inherently "better" or "worse" or more "good" or "evil" than either side; they are both "good" and are both "evil" yet are beyond and above such simplistic human notions. They instead went with a cliched braindead, creatively bankrupt plot starring a boring Mary Sue character with no development written by elementary school children. Every single character in the sequel trilogy were one-dimensional and I don't know how they did it but they somehow even managed to turn Leia, Han, Chewie, and even Luke.... even LUKE SKYWALKER into ridiculous one dimensional caricatures of their former selves.

[@SalAvenueNJ]

In Wandavision I've always thought giving Wanda such a tangible picture of what her life with Vision would have been like, then having it ripped from her was a fitting punishment for what she did to those people.

[@brandonriggle3860]

I always hated how people share the message of "you are enough". No, you're not. Be honest with yourself. Don't dog yourself, but be honest and realize you are flawed like everyone else and then work on your flaws.

[@alangil40]

This hilarious skit by British comedians Mitchell and Webb totally encapsulate the idea of not putting the work in and not being honest with yourself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXqYppeYYqd3d7M

[@Mr_Mistah]

Accountability

[@virianelui8628]

For real

[@Godspeednihilo]

The phrase is actually about acceptance not complacency and mediocrity. Usually it's about people who are frustrated with themselves and struggling to make a change in their life or even struggling to find or accept what identity they want to have. It can be interpreted in different ways but it's not entirely about "its okay to be mediocre and not work on yourself". Because it is about accepting your struggles and your flaws while you work on them to be better. Sometimes it's about accepting that you will always be flawed and will be different than others and you won't be accepted. It is ambiguous and neutral, not a recessive mentality

[@willmungas8964]

@@Godspeednihilo exactly. YOU are enough, as a person, if you can be a good human being towards others, but that doesn’t mean your health, mental sharpness, and physical skill cannot improve. Saying “I am enough” is about accepting who you are on the inside as your true self, and not feeling worthless internally for external flaws. Saying “I want to be (insert here)” is about accepting your flaws and limitations for what they are and deciding what you want to improve out of them. As an aside, I feel like this is what people get wrong about the Thor arc in endgame. The whole point is that despite his failure, he still is a good person who is worthy of love and who has things worth fighting for. It doesn’t matter that he’s a slob, that’s physical improvement he can work on, but he’s still a good person on the inside and he doesn’t need to tear himself up over a mistake. Yeah, Fat Thor is played for laughs, but that moment of “I’m still worthy!” is serious and deeply meaningful.

[@TNTales]

Wandavision had me until that line from Monica. Wanda is supposed to be scary. When she leaves at the end it should be terrifying relief. This is someone so powerful they're one step from supervillain status. Then the show tried to frame it as some noble sacrifice and it rubbed me wrong. Let Wanda be a villain, let her struggle with what she did, and then grow as a character.

[@personpersonson4795]

@Erik Kemeey no one has

[@HUMAN-fq5ff]

The show had me till episode 3. After that it was just pouring with forced and quirky humour, so much that it went completely downhill. That line was just bad icing on an already bad cake.

[@djangoblack-fire2327]

@@HUMAN-fq5ff Big fax. It became hot garbage 🗑

[@ricknaturalls2065]

I always understood that line from Monica as her trying to console Wanda, not that she was 100% forgiven. If there was this all-powerful super being who just brainwashed everyone, and they undid it, I think the last thing they should be doing is forcing them into a position where they can get angry again and start it all up again. Just tell them they did good.

[@TheAmbientMage]

Monica Rambeau was by far the worst part about Wandavision. I loved that show except for her parts. She was really shoehorned in.

[@drmattbarnes1371]

When the writer has no moral compass... they cannot put it in their writing. So their writing just becomes wish fulfillment.

[@Neutral_1zed]

Good point. Although I highly doubt modern hollywood writers ever thought about the ultimate meaning of their show. They resort to cheap trope and tricks; excessively rely on technology like CGI to make things more visually appealing and then try to add some emotional factors through said cliches like unnecessary, useless sacrifices and deaths to get the audience to feel some sort of emotion for a brief moment and then call it a day. It can literally be dumbed down to - Look at how cool this character is when they’re doing this or that - Look at how badass and cool this character acts destroying more things than the supposed villain - Look at these cool effects - These two fell in love, and then one of them died, or both dies; isn’t it so sad? It’s just like Romeo and Juliet *no its fucking not* - Hear this protagonist out, he’s sad, listen to his life story that just makes you sad for a second which has no correlation to the story minute as if he’s a game NPC. - Too powerful? Nah, we gotta make this a power fantasy. Ps. I also find it interesting how these points apply to mostly action movies because without them, there is nothing appealing about the film since they skipped out on deep characterization and the overall theme. Action movies get these cheat codes where it’s: ‘good vfx and cgi, cool fight scenes, badass mary sue protagonist, cliche love or sad troupes = success.

[@LeonardoGarcia-qt6lf]

"This is the worldview of a villain". You nailed it, man. Remember who makes these movies...

[@simondodd918]

“Imagine walking into any situation thinking you’re already perfect and will naturally prevail”-and oh, look where we are in terms of real-world reflection.

[@nenmaster5218]

I agree so hard with this Video(-series) it aint even healthy anymore. That’s why i love the Fact that those that ruin Franchises and/or those that get basic Basics of Basicness like ‚Show, dont Tell’ and ‚Chekovs Gun’ and all such, totally wrong, get called-out. In Fact, Good-Faith-Criticism, especialy inTHICK-LENGTH is getting more and more popular. Hbomberguys entire Channel but especially his Criticism of RWBY and Sherlock, just like Jay Exci covered Doctor Who and Madovcate covered the Flash. And how many did Videos on Santa Inc and High Guardian Spice?

[@daniboy4153]

As someone who wants to write, a lot of modern movies are a big inspiration as to what I shouldn't do when I write a story and characters. Edit: I just wanna write stories people can enjoy with characters that people can love. I don't wanna write political stuff cause I am not smart for those topics

[@TomEyeTheSFMguy]

It's also important to know why you shouldn't do it the way the movie did it.

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

Yes! :)

[@jayem7773]

At least they teach you *something*

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jayem7773 💯💯💯👍👍

[@jarrarwinks8470]

@we will do it That is not Elden Ring, you don't get to say that.

[@davidpixton1980]

Love the character arc of anakin skywalker from episodes 1-3 being used to outline the concept of 'good'... And it kind of is but there was a time when the "new" star wars were also considered pretty naff... What a delightful direction we're headed!

[@katherinelipari6610]

I remember that too. My husband and I have taken to watching much older movies - back when there was zero chance to distract people with the shininess at the sacrifice of story - and dang, the dialogue is brilliant.

[@electrictroy2010]

I didn’t like episode 1, but always thoughts episodes 2/3 were good. I didn’t understand people hating them.

[@moonraven6145]

Animated Mulan's message, it doesn't matter whether you are Male or Female, if you are determined enough and persevere you can go on to accomplish great things Remake Mulan's message, It's fine as long as you are born with enough Chi energy and helps you are a "Strong female character" then you will get everything you want simply because of what you were born with... inspiring.

[@HiImBQ]

Yeah... People mistake a "strong female character" in movies by making "strong" literal. I believe that the animated Mulan was a VERY strong female character, because strength isn't always physical, actually not even most of the time. You don't have to be able to bash someone's head in to be strong.

[@billyb4790]

The "born with extra chi" is code word for "born female".

[@electrictroy2010]

SHE’S NOT A WOMAN. She’s a magical creature that never makes mistakes. That doesn’t exist in the real world .

[@bigbean1627]

This reminds me of something my dad told me when I was younger “If there’s no struggle in a story, it’s not worth telling.”

[@AudioEpics]

Sadly enough, it shows in modern society. Struggle is always considered evil, while it's a great chance for growth.

[@magnum1165]

I've been around long enough to witness a massive shift in story telling, we went from there's consequences to your actions which is a very important thing to teach to now do whatever you want no matter how much damage you cause as long as you're happy that's all that maters, that's a very dangerous and immature logic to teach to the new generation of cinema watchers

[@JadeRunner]

It's almost as though a foreign enemy government has spent the last couple decades investing so much money in Hollywood movie studios that they practically own Hollywood and are actively using it to deliberately teach awful morals as an elaborate psyop to degenerate our society and make us weak, but that would be crazy, wouldn't it....

[@magnum1165]

@@JadeRunner Yes, absolutely crazy ;-)

[@Window4503]

*cough* Turning Red *cough* It was a great movie, but no one’s really held accountable other than for physical damage.

[@brickbilly7019]

Watch 'the century of the self' by Adam Curtis. Among many interesting topics, it talks about moulding a population to be addicted to happiness, and that to do so, you need to portray sadness as an illness. Bloody brilliant bit of production it is 👍 Edit--havong watched it back in 2012, I've just checked out to see if it is still viewable for free anywhere and it is actually on KZbin of all things!

[@SkyBrightGames]

Bojack horseman is a show That definetley takes consequence Seriously. I watched a vid Bojack v 13 reasons

[@janeyrevanescence12]

As someone who lost her fiancé, I’ll admit that Wandavision had a great concept: how profound grief can twist you into a person who would do anything to make the pain stop and what would happen if you had the ability to bring them back at a horrific cost. Wanda had the potential to become a woman so twisted by grief and loneliness that she does something horrific, realizes that her loved ones would hate what she’s become and sacrifices herself to free the people she’s harmed. You can even have a message about how loss can break people in more ways than one. But that would mean showing actual consequences to her actions and we know The Message (TM) wouldn’t allow that to fly.

[@inazuma3gou]

I really enjoyed WandaVision... until that one sanctimonious line from Monica that destroyed the whole series. The townspeople were helpless victims of psychological torture and it was not on them to try to understand the torturer's grief. As audience, we could have sympathized with Wanda.... until Monica shoved her moral superiority down our throat. Absolutely disgusting.

[@BalanceProper]

Same here . I enjoyed it until the line “ they don’t know what you sacrificed “ . Talking about blaming the victim !!!

[@symbionte7987]

Yeah, I thought the show did a great job of showing that Wanda was definitely in the wrong but not a totally bad person. Until that super weird line that sort of suggested it was ok for her to have done those terrible things. I think I get what the line was supposed to be saying but was phrased horribly

[@BalanceProper]

@@symbionte7987 I think the line was supposed to be saying exactly what it meant . You have to understand that the people writing that stuff believe that violence has been inflicted on them so therefore it’s ok to inflict violence on others , even if those “ others “ are innocent civilians . That is why there is such a preoccupation with “ language is violence” or “ silence is violence “ or whatever nonsense they will come up with next .

[@PolarizedMechs]

Not really sympathized, but understood how Wanda basically lost her mind, and began a descent into villainy. And then that line came along, like Disney was trying to tell us that *Wanda* was the victim. BS. Leave it with her becoming a bad girl, and the redemption arc for Dr. Strange.

[@jessicaHcat]

Things got even worse when Wanda complained to Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness trailer. She was comparing her action in Westview to what he did in Spiderman No Way Home, but Dr. Strange did NOT brainwash and enslave an entire village just because he was sad 🙄

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

Thank God. Finally somebody said it. This is why I haven't felt like watching movies or shows in almost a decade. Feels like they're legit made by sociopaths who *think* this is how humans work.

[@DolFan316]

I stopped watching modern media over 20 years ago because that's how far back I saw it taking this direction. The sad part is, stuff from 20 years ago now looks like an artistic masterpiece compared to stuff from today.

[@martmine4618]

And then viewers go watch those movies and tell me "just shut off your brain its fun", if I want to shut off my brain I can use my fucking imagination or better yet go touch some grass. You dont need to be in front of moving pictures to feel better in your life.

[@DolFan316]

@@martmine4618 The global tyrants WANT you to shut your brain off, literally. It's the only way they can take over actually.

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

@@DolFan316 And there you have it folks.

[@coolioso808]

There is a good chance the heads of these films are sociopaths. The type of ruthless, selfish mind that it takes to get to these high power positions often requires one to be sociopathic and not really have a good grasp of empathy or struggle. Also, like most things in life, the inane pursuit of money and power is completely socially and environmentally unsustainable and incentivizes horrible actions. Just about any films today that would truly be a great story, and important story and a symbol of inspiration and revolution wouldn't get released today to the mainstream. Those films get hidden away because their message threatens the ruling elites.

[@foxspike]

I'd say another big part of the problem is the filmmaking talent is being mined from the same places. Here in the UK most of the shows/films being made have zero identity because they're hiring the talent from the same three film schools. You know what you need to get into them? A fuck ton of money. You know who has that kind of money? The people who hang out in the same circles. Its an imagination closed loop at the moment, so the same storytelling issues are going to keep cropping up unless *gasp* we stop putting paywalls up in front of talent.

[@riz9770]

exactly! this is the biggest problem. it's all the same because the ppl in it is the same. because it's not really about talent and more about money (to get to that circle to make it). and i think it's not just in film industry but also in almost all industry. because most of the time the one in power is the same people over and over again because it has the same system which is why there is no changes and the one who actually got the talent and abilities in said industry will barely got any chance

[@ArtyomEntertainment]

Do you like anything on Acorn TV? My older American parents always say they love British TV and mysteries like Midsummer Murders or the Detectorists, etc because they’re gentler and more charming. (I remember Doc Martin as well!)

[@ingold1470]

So people who were effectively born into the film industry write movies about heroines who were born awesome?

[@darkriku12]

@@ingold1470 yup, can't write about adversity if you don't know what it is

[@isabelguzmanmiranda5025]

I had no idea about that, can you please tell me the names of the three schools? I'd like to investigate that.

[@leoncoben6983]

It's already concerning how many people think Anakin was in the right the whole time whenever there's a discussion about, "Villains who were right" or Star Wars in general. The brain-rotted zombies always bring up the unfair rules and practices of the Jedi as if that justifies Anakin's betrayal when it doesn't, especially when the conflict comes from the fact he isn't forced to be a part of their ranks. If he hates the rules so much, he should leave, but no these morons think the Jedi should change and adjust themselves to his ideologies and wants in life. It doesn't matter that the Jedi Order operates the it does because of the guidelines that have been set by their predecessors, that weren't set to control them, but because they're safety measures to help not only themselves, but the people of the galaxy. Their main objective is to keep people who are Force sensitive away from the Dark Side because of the inherent danger it poses to the person who falls to it and eventual threat they become to others around them. They're already more powerful than the majority of people who are born without Force abilities, some powers include planetary destruction for those who can attain it, such as Sidious. But nah, it's more important that Anakin be given free reign to fully express himself and pursue everything he wants. It's the Jedi's fault he listens to Sidious, not his. It's not his fault he slaughtered literal children, it's the Jedi for raising "child soldiers" even though that isn't the point of having the younglings. It's not Anakin's fault that he enabled a sinister, downright evil man to completely dismantle democracy and justice to create an Empire of dominance and oppression, it's the Jedi for not giving him special treatment and breaking tradition to not hurt his feelings. It's a stupid debate that has no grounds at all. There's no mistake that the Jedi made mistakes of their own and are filled with flaws, but concerning how their organization works and the stability of their leadership, they were doing fine with great results. It took a betrayal from a self-entitled baby, and massive amount of manipulation over the course of a 1000 years to topple them, not a fundamental flaw from how they acted or lead the Order.

[@Pherim_]

Thats the point. No sane person believe he was right all the way to the end. I believe he still was in the right until Order 66, thats when everything went to shit. But the same thing for WandaVision or WonderWoman, not everyone who watches is a sane person, so a lot of them will try to defend what they did, and theres a lot of people defendig their actions because of the way Hollywood is presenting what they are doing as a right thing. In Star Wars, we could understand Anakin's pain and desperation, but the movie never portrayed was he was doing as a "Selfless Sacrifice" the movie was really sure to frame it as a "Selfish Mistake"

[@Harry-tb8yo]

It's not all just black and white. Anakin clearly has his flaws and of course as a grown up he is responsible for the things he does. But the Jedi are by far not the shining white knights on the horses. Force sensitive younglings are taken into the order (and away from their parents) at very young age. How is that good for a child? Also keep in mind that by taking a child away from his/her parents the Jedi also take over the resonsibility for raising the child. How well do they match that responsibility? Obi Wan himself admitted his failure when he said that Anakin for him was like a brother, not a father as Qui Gon would have been. The Jedi order also forbids their members to attach themselves to others. How is that any good and where have we seen that in the real world? Catholic church, right? Didn't turn out quite well if you ask me.

[@leoncoben6983]

@@Harry-tb8yo Works pretty well in Buddhism. Know why? Because the monks that practice it willingly choose that life and to be part of it, whereas the Catholic Church used brute force to subjugate people into their creed unwillingly. Most Asian cultures in general succeed in harsh disciplined environments because it's taught at birth. Same with the younglings, and very *rarely* do Jedi defect, and when they do most of those defections aren't to Dark Side, which is the entire point of the Order. Out of a thousand years their defections to evil numbered less than a thousand, and out of a galaxy of trillions, with millions that are part of the Order that's successful and a sign they were doing things right and well. The younglings were taken care of well, and were taught with care. Obi-Wan is gold standard of how a Jedi should be and conducts himself and he's a well adjusted man, who still has flaws. The Jedi aren't expecting perfection from their members, just self-control. They don't kidnap kids, they inform the parents of the power their child has and the risks that child will be exposed to. The children are also given a choice to return to their families by a certain age, but because their teachings are throughout, not indoctrination they choose of their own volition to stay. However they do refuse children of a certain age, under normal circumstances, because it's too late to enforce strict discipline into them and becomes a coin flip whether they'll properly adjust. It is not the Order's responsibility to adjust to each individual, it's the opposite and they're respectfully responsible with that practice. No organization has to be arms open and accepting with no restrictions, that's just dumb. And for reference Luke's Order was a lot more lenient and free with the attachments rule, and immediately ran in defections and betrayal. One of which was from his own nephew that killed his wife. This is evidence that older Order was right to have such high restrictions, there were pros and cons, but the pros absolutely outweighed the cons like a ton of bricks weighing against a single feather.

[@Harry-tb8yo]

@@leoncoben6983 It is not the orders responsibility to adjust to each individual? Then how do they raise the younglings if they don't accept resonsibility? That doesn't make any sense.

[@leoncoben6983]

@@Harry-tb8yo That is not a responsibility to accept. It's not a responsibility at all. It's on the children to accept the teachings of the Order. Hell this applies to just parenting in general. This insane selfish mentality that the guardian should adapt to the child instead of the other way around is so sickeningly entitled and toxic. It is *not* a way to raise a child.

[@johnskilling7019]

You know what Disney thinks of their audience when we’re supposed to think that Kylo Ren is scary.

[@gambello1195]

I remember him being, until he took his helmet off

[@Сайтамен]

@@gambello1195 Until he destroyed control panel in a tanthrum...

[@Dan_-]

@@gambello1195 Really? I thought his sweaty, swollen face was a lot scarier than that silly mask.

[@nanouklezaf4273]

Main problem is that films today have shitty characters, typically Mary Sue/Gary Stu. By featuring characters who are always morally beyond reproach, who encounter no difficulty, who win no matter what (for example the 45-kilo girl who puts down a dozen muscular men), or who come from minorities who make their identity (of gender, sexual orientation or race) their unique personality trait, those films prevent any identification with their characters for normal people. It's been known since Aristotle that theater allows viewers to purge their passions, to experience vicariously violent emotions and feelings that are damaging in real life, but through a work of fiction viewers can let their feelings go without risk. It also allows them to unconsciously prepare themselves for these situations and this unconscious mental work gives them more resilience for the day it happens. By preventing any identification with its protagonists, the film is deprived of this social role. Even for SJWs, who are still human beings despite everything, these lousy movies can't satisfy them since they can't experience difficulties vicariously either. So they go from franchise to franchise, ruining iconic characters one after another because these minorities are always asking for more and they will continue to ask for more as long as producers and writers in the industry will mollycoddle them with identity politics scum because they're afraid of 2-3 blue haired snowflakes on twitter instead of treating those sacred minorities like real people and give them actual stories with characters development.

[@TheLurker1647]

I think you're absolutely right. Think of a character like Macbeth or King Lear or Hamlet. They're imperfect, flawed, and we sympathise with them, but we understand that they aren't perfect, but deeply flawed human beings who bring suffering to themselves and others through their actions (or inaction). Oftentimes we need protagonists who teach us what NOT to do.

[@hexcodeff6624]

btw, why is he called "Garry Stu" and not just "Garry Sue"? last names aren't gender-specific, I don't think.

[@hexcodeff6624]

@@TheLurker1647 How did you sympathize with Macbeth? Dude killed multiple innocent people because of a mischievous promise.

[@Anwelei]

That was one of the most informative and insightful things I’ve read in the internet in years. Thank you! My brain feels like it got some exercise.

[@RodrigoTechador]

@@hexcodeff6624 Mary Sue is a compound first name of the kind commonly found in the South. Sue isn’t her last name.

[@javajoe5124]

From a great movie: "I'll give them heroics. I'll give them the most spectacular heroics anyone's ever seen! And when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so that everyone can be superheroes. Everyone can be super! And when everyone's super no one will be." --Syndrome

[@s3studios597]

Confirmed MHA is the timeline where Syndrome won.

[@coolioso808]

Incredible quote!

[@jackcraven7979]

@@coolioso808 a fire we're close!

[@Ironhandjohn]

BICYCLE REPAIRMAN!!!

[@dragonridley]

Realizing that "make people suffer while trying to bring back your loved ones," has been done as a villain plot (e.g. Kingpin in Into the Spiderverse). Even something like having Wanda realize she's been a villain would have improved the outcome.

[@7slavok]

This makes me think of Arcane. Vander taught Vi to take responsibility for herself and the people who followed her. Silco taught Jinx that she was perfect just the way she was. Vi grew up to be caring and brave and did everything she could to save her sister after getting out of prison, while Jinx grew up to blame everyone around her for her actions and became a terrorist. They're both brilliantly written and entertaining characters, but it's funny that the character who grew up with the modern empowerment tripe we get so often today ended up worse off than the one who endured nearly a decade of imprisonment, violence, and abuse.

[@Diree]

Don't forget how all of this started: By how Powder back then was always kind of "blamed" for when things went south by some of her "friends". She desperately wanted to prove herself ... and when she FINALLY did, when she thought she'd SAVE her friends, she fucking murdered them (by being young and stupid, not because she wanted to ofc., she was just in over her head). Then her sister, who she adores and looks up to, who means the world to her, understandably can't look her in the eye and abandons her ... and who is there to "pick her up"? Silco ... what was his plan? I mean, he could've just left her there. I doubt he was actively trying to ruin her life (well, he is a crime lord, so apart from that), but he was genuinely feeling sorry for her, because of his own experiences in life and wanted to soothe her. He's a psychopath trying to raise a kid who's lost his parents years ago and lived on the streets, thieving and doing all sorts of shady stuff, basically. She snapped and went crazy in the head to protect herself. You can see that when she learns that Vi is alive, when she tries to reconnect ... only for Vi to turn up with Caitlyn basically telling her visually that she's been "replaced". By a "bad guy" no less (Piltover and Zaun are basically enemies, both commiting heineous crimes over the years). Powder, later Jinx, really had no other way to go as a character. I wouldn't blame that on "modern empowerment", this story is as old as it gets. It's about mistakes, jealousy, revenge. She could have stayed with her sister or someone more benevolent and she'd still be scarred for life, potentially going crazy, even with therapy. That's just an experience you usually don't come back from, that damages you forever. But Silco definitely didn't "help" either. Vi on the other hand endured her suffering, precisely because she got hardened by life beforehand (she's a few years older, which means the world at such a young age) and because she's motive driven (to get revenge for her "step fathers" murder). I imagine if the roles were reversed and Vi would've killed her friends she'd succumb to madness as well.

[@streptococo4735]

Silco didnt try to raise her bad, she had a LOT of bad luck, like a LOT, and she tried to do things right, Silco needed to patch up her self esteem otherwise she had A LOT of reason to just end herself, in fact she did get scarred permanently, of course if Silco wanted her to heal and improve he should have started by teaching her how to let things go and see the future instead of cling to the past, but that would entirely be against Silco as a character, he was obssesed whit Vander and only wanted him dead, he most likely wanted the best for Jinx but didnt knew how to do it, and Jinx wasnt a result of someone wanting her to be bad, she is the result of someone who thought that your demons make you stronger, and Silco taught Jinx that her demons only make her stronger, in other words Silco raised the only way he knew, he made her into himself.

[@logicplague]

It's not just funny, it's inevitable. I speak from experience, thankfully I got away from my family and somewhat grew up before the damage was irreversible.

[@lore_shards]

Great comment!

[@KowalSonn]

@@streptococo4735 that's a nice interpretation. There is a huge difference between doing something out of malice and out of (even if warped) sense of right. A lot of movies just make villain do things out of pure malice which makes character really boring because in 99% cases character like this is impossible to understand. Silco on the other hand is doing things out of his sense of morality, even if it's warped. He doesn't make Jinx mad on purpose, he tries to teach her the lessons that made him who he is now, but she is a different person and his "help" make her go insane. He is ruthless towards his enemies but still doesn't abandon her when she goes insane and is hard to control (which would be logical thing to do). I think that's what makes Arcane so good, all characters feels "human" and you can somehow understand their point of view and motivation. Even if it's hardly reasonable you can somewhat understand how their life twisted their worldview and their decisions.

[@Merisu_Sheep]

Another thing I think about Mulan and like is the entire idea of her joining the army wasn't because she felt that was her place but a simple desire to help her father. She wasn't a fighter and that wasn't her reasoning for going. It was the simple love of her father.

[@AudioEpics]

Good point!

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

2:15 i love how mulan doesn't look smug or pleased to have proven him wrong. she looks genuinely pleased with herself that she could do it and prove her worth as a soldier to him and herself.

[@williambarnes7883]

I love this guy; he cuts to the chase, while also being entertaining, and he avoids the shrill and whiny stridency of so many youtube personalities. I raise my glass to you, sir...

[@NateGerardRealEstateTeam]

Back in the 70’s and 80’s, movies taught us timeless messages like: hard work helps bring success, and: a group of people can band together to make the world change, and: sometimes being good means you must endure pain and suffering as a result but it’s worth it. Now it seems like because we have so many sources of entertainment and the need is so great for original programming and movies, that mediocrity stands in for extraordinary and as a result that becomes the new norm. I refuse to be angry or depressed about it. I’ve just decided to run my life differently for the 35 or less years I have left. I raise my glass to you Drinker for your channel and to all of you watching and reading the comments!

[@Oddler]

Hey still lots of great movies from the 90's, don't forget Shawshank redemption one of the best and most life affirming movies of all time in my opinion.

[@NateGerardRealEstateTeam]

@@Oddler true on the 90’s and specifically Shawshank but remember it did poorly at the box office so it became an acquired taste. There are still good movies out there, I just find myself feeling like I wasted my time on a 6 out of 10 when I’m wishing for an 8.5 out of ten but those made now are so few.

[@coleparker]

I remember years ago, when Movies always showed a woman in a bar tossing a drink in a mans face as way of getting at him. I was at a bar in Tucson, and a woman did that to a guy who was talking to his friends. The guy stood there for a second, went to the bar, bought a pitcher of beer and dumped it over her. She just stood there awe-struck and one could almost hear her thinking, THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.

[@daviddavidsonn3578]

I guess that guy was gay. AHAHAHAHAHAH

[@laurie_guilbeau]

That reminds me of a scene from a French movie called Indochine. A woman slaps a man. Then the man slaps her right back.

[@kamchatmonk]

This is when superpowers were supposed to activate, but for some reason they didn't.

[@johnwick3229]

@@laurie_guilbeau true gender equality

[@jayatfreelance]

What's your post about? "A Tale of Two Morons"???

[@AlStone2]

This reminds me of a thought I had the other day when I was comparing the original beauty and the beast with the live action remake. I remember one key difference to me was Belle's attitude. In both versions she's an intelligent and independent woman who's forced to endure the old fashioned and closed minded attitudes of the people around her. But the difference is, original Belle actually manages to remain respectful and patient to everyone, even if they don't deserve it while the new Belle often seems condescending and smug. The best example is how they both deal with Gaston's advances. He is of course the epitome of a rude, arrogant, misogynistic bully. And in the scene where he attempts to force marriage on Belle, the two versions react in very different ways. Although she has every reason to mock him, turn her nose up and insult Gaston for his behaviour, the original Belle's kind nature won't let her do those things and her words as she turns him down are "I just don't deserve you" despite clearly not thinking this in the slightest. And there's a lesson in that, to always show kindness to others even if they don't deserve it. The modern take of course is that Belle should never be considerate to someone like that and therefore the most acceptable response is to be dismissive and rude. Of course we know Gaston is a bad person who doesn't deserve Belle's patience or decency but the fact that the original Belle shows it to him anyway is what makes her character one to admire. I guess to sum it up, the original Belle doesn't feel comfortable or content with her lot in life because she has a longing for something greater, whereas the new Belle thinks she is better than her lot in life because of a sense of entitlement to something greater.

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

While i havnt seen the new one , i also dont think women have to be fragile and polite and everything to save a mans ego. I know we do it because he could turn around and murder us , but thats still not exaxtly a good message. It is definatwly an old one where socirty expected women to just take it with a smile before. That isnt our culture so much anymore. I dont have to make myself uncomfortable just so a man doesnt get hurt.

[@thesapphire_standard7534]

@@ilenastarbreeze4978 It's a sign of maturity not to escalate an already unstable situation. The bible says seek to be at peace with every man, and do not owe anyone anything but to love them.

[@AlStone2]

@@ilenastarbreeze4978 yeah I was anticipating that sort of response. The mistake you're making is thinking that the original Belle was that way because of some societal pressure to confirm or perceived feminine fragility. Belle is actually a fantastic character in the original because she embodies the sort of strength, confidence and independence that girls can look up to. She won't settle, she does things on her own terms, she bravely sacrifices herself for others, she stands up to characters that no one else dares to, she aspires to be more than society deems her to be. I'd even go so far as to say an early feminist icon. But nevertheless she maintains a strong sense of moral decency and compassion for everyone regardless of how deeply flawed they are. She doesn't feel obligated as none of us should but if you want others to act right, it's good to try and set the right example. It's just sad that you seem to see it as a weakness when I very much consider it a strength. But I guess as the drinker says in the video, outlooks are changing these days.

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

@@AlStone2 for her no. I dont . i just was told and taught that my own being uncomfortable is ok as oong as men are comfortable and not offended. That is the part i was more against

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

@@thesapphire_standard7534 god i wish more christians would follolw that, i find more bible thumpers to b e the most hateful people ive ever met, honestly sihk are the only ones i find who tend to be really nice

[@junusavior65]

Wow, that was the best summary of Anakin's character arc I have heard. Well done.

[@Mueslinator]

I just realized a thing: A main character that doesn't really need to learn anything because she's already perfect? That is how every narcissist views themselves: "I don't need to improve, because I'm already always right and capable. I just need to show everyone else that they're wrong to not consider me the hero! Oh how sweet it will be when they fall to their knees and acknowledge their inferiority!" ...Sound familiar?

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

It reminds me of Sigvald and the Flawless Host.Deluded hedonistic worshipers of their own egos.

[@Tekisasubakani]

Social media, is that you?

[@richiefranklin76]

Thats a bit like making Azula the 'hero' of the first avatar series.

[@jessip8654]

This is how female leads in 90% of young adult fiction acts these days...

[@williamlitsch5506]

I've long worried about the increasingly disturbing lessons being told by writers of villains reformed as antiheroes. It's because people don't want to feel guilty for being shit heads to each other and so write characters that make them feel good about themselves no matter what, or characters that humiliate the people that they like to hate no matter what.

[@talphazero1036]

@Mary Beth Well said

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@Mary Beth But it does. This trend is going on for a very long time now, you've just might not have realised its extent. Which even kind of proves my point. I am from an older generation and many things we see in tv shows, movies, comics and the like disgust me greatly, while younger generations seem to think this is perfectly normal. We _do_ live in a pop culture after all and you simply can not separate politic movement from media and entertainment in a society and culture like ours, they are deeply and inextricably interwoven and one is inducing, causing and influencing the other. If there is one book I would direly intrust to you, then it's Neil Postman's _'Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business'._ Which was already written in 1985. Think about it, it's 1985 and Postman already realises that we live more in Huxley's 'Brave New World' than in '1984' and that we are more oppressed by a tought superficiality as well as by our addiction to amusement. Please understand that is really not meant as some form of offence, but I can't help to think that your statement itself is deeply influenced by the very mechanisms which you claim do not exist.

[@WiiSage]

and it mainly female villains this is happening too, almost like they are saying women are always in the right even when they do bad things

[@Sin_Alder]

@@Furzkampfbomber Gotta agree with you. While media certainly isn't the only component that lead to where we are now, it's undeniable that it has an impact, and many of these media companies have even admitted that they're deliberately trying to manipulate people into a certain way of thinking. If media were just a reflection of the modern day, then we would've never had propaganda cartoons, but we did have them, and that's because those making them knew they were effective. A lot of media in the modern day is just as much propaganda as those cartoons from nearly a hundred years ago, only rather than demonizing people that are committing some of the most heinous acts in human history they're demonizing sanity, morality, and critical thinking.

[@criticizedreviews1081]

I kinda disagree, I think you have a great point so I might be interpreting your comment wrong but I think villains now at least feel more human and fleshed out as in, people are not just black and white, we all have various different shades of gray which I don't mind if some of them are "antiheroes" to fit the story but I get what you mean.

[@redvitaminblue]

As I was watching this, I couldn't help but think of that old Onion sketch, "First Female Dictator Hailed as Step Forward for Women." It's like our culture is so captured by this moral panic about gender and race that it has feverishly elevated the ends (portraying women and minorities in positions of power -- it's ALWAYS about power in modern stories) over the means (the struggle of the self, a foundational understanding of good and evil/virtue and vice, etc.). By doing so, we are being conditioned to prioritize identity above all else. That dichotomy doesn't build character, it retards it.

[@DoomTrooper90]

Given that modern society in the West has basically been just one long suicide since World War II, you're more right than you know.

[@franciscanstudent]

Indeed. That Amivi Gama sketch doesn't just age well. It gets better with age.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

The 2000's with beta social media ironically were more progressive for many in a pre ipad/tik tok/vine world

[@MRU79]

Thank God I am not only one to think like that the world still has hope.i get it every one should be equally represented but don't comprise on the morals compass of ur character.some becomes a hero through a journey just don't take a short cut to it. again it's not about diversity all the time it's about the message.i think we are losing the message in all this woke culture.

[@imranhq13]

onion was awesome

[@thelemoncoffee]

reminds me of how the new mlp generation's movie was like "lie, steal, and cheat to gain power, and then when it all blows up in your face ask the people you lied to, stole from, and cheated against for friendship- then you get to have the power" it felt like the actual friendship lesson was shoehorned in cause the main chartacter was depicted as the morally correct one the entier time despite doing some pretty dogshit things the whole movie from thieft and lies, to straight up treating the other races as monoliths- no one ever bothers to tell her "hey that's kinda fucked up, don't." the idea of friendship being the answer felt like it was an afterthought

[@Hextai]

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[@taliablack4080]

I noticed that as well! As someone who loved the original series, and still occasionally watches it with her younger sisters, the movie was such a letdown in so many ways. One of the big ones being the way they handled Twilight's character. By the time she became a Princess in the OG series she was always the one to resort to diplomacy first; she thought things out in a logical manner, and would never have done anything so brash as to steal from the creatures hosting them! I also thought it was absurd how she was so against asking around to help, and even refused the help when it was offered. I could understand her being suspicious and wary, that is in character, but flat out refusing and insulting them? Not Twilight.

[@tarathoughts13]

@@taliablack4080 it’s kinda funny how teh original g4 mlp showed better, flawed, well rounded and nuanced female characters with a bunch of ponies than marvel has in teh past like 5 years.

[@andreavalle3987]

As a teacher of fifth grade who sees these “lessons” from these shows and movies unfold in how kids are raised these days, I totally agree with all of your points. It’s truly sad trying to teach this generation when you have these examples that tell them that what they’re doing is okay. It’s pretty sad and I’m scared for the future

[@Mr_Mistah]

Self-obsession. That's what Luciferian Hollywood is all about. We're going to raise a generation of narcissists and sociopaths

[@mikearchibald744]

What they're doing IS okay, depending of course on what it is. Given the state of the world right now its pretty obvious that adults really have no moral high ground for teaching kids 'morality'. The SAD fact is the disintegration of the society around us because its well known that kids don't get moral lessons from movies but from their family and their community. Its only kids with none of those in their life that get moral lessons from media, which of course means one of about five corporations. But we're seeing such a war on the middle class that the future is pretty scary to think about, but certainly not because of kids. The society has pretty much taught them the most horrible lessons, so hopefully their community and family is doing a better job.

[@sniper0073088]

Just a quote i remember: 'hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.' It seems we are at the point of creating hard times.

[@mrhatandclogs]

​@@sniper0073088 just like a cycle

[@Roxor128]

@@mikearchibald744 Given all the negatives I hear about car-dependent suburbs, I have to wonder if the sheer prevalence of them in places like the US might be a factor. If you have to go everywhere by car, do you even _have_ a community? Or, and I suspect this might be the case, have you instead created an archipelago with one family per island?

[@jonlomax4267]

I like that you're pulling positive examples from the 90's-2000's to compare to, as opposed to older works. It shows that the change has been fast. Another great video!

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Almost instantaneous.

[@Zephirite.]

That’s fascinating…I’ve seen a plethora of people talking about the degeneration of “good moral values”, and I’m curious why only films from the early twenty-fist century count. What’s unique about the movies in this era that would make Drinker choose them? Genuinely curious.

[@nathanddrews]

I think that the popularity of the Twilight series is what initially set the stage for the new wave of bland, uninteresting leading characters (male or female). It was such a hit with tween/teen girls that it was seen as "the formula" for more female leads. However, I think that the Disney kids' movie Frozen was the actual inflection point where it was actually marketed as anti-patriarchy. Almost everything since then, studios dug their heels in and started grifting audiences with their lucrative take on feminism. No doubt it ramped up beyond absurd levels once "The Orange Man" arrived in the news, provoking relentless pressure in Hollywood to make women more prevalent/perfect in everything is the trend that continues to this day. So yeah, basically 2012-2016...

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

The 90s to 2000s were a different time. I should know, I lived through the early 90s. A time of the Disney Renaissance, early cgi and internet, birth of 3d gaming and dvds, grunge and of course better writing.

[@jimb12312]

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” - Obama 2008

[@franciscodanconia4324]

I’m surprised you didn’t include Sarah Connor in T1 and T2. That was a woman who started of weak and bewildered by her situation but who became strong and independent through dealing with adversity. And yet she still had flaws (a willingness to murder to stop the apocalypse even if it might not stop it). And she did it for the most female of reasons. To protect her son.

[@xio3857]

Karen Allen in Starman comes to mind. a heroic character arc but still all female.

[@shooterdownunder]

Compare that Sarah Conner to the one in the last terminator film and it’s like day and night.

[@romevang]

He actually did address this in a separate video talking about the same thing.

[@BlueAvi8]

well you see, a female protagonist who cares about her offspring just doesn't play well to the "fire your unborn child into the sun, and die alone with 3 cats" demographic.

[@dansmith1661]

@@BlueAvi8 Sacrifice your child to Moloch and get compensated forever by the small hats.

[@mvtv-montanavigilantetv5976]

Long story short, c. 1985, myself and another person found ourselves trapped by ice and sinking fast in British Columbia's Observatory Inlet. Vertical cliffs at that point on each side even if ice would allow getting there. Began going down fast; looked like Jig Was Up but damn if all I could think of then was the number of times the Enterprise crew faced certain doom only to save themselves or have a save happen. Sure enough, a seaplane spotted us minutes later and took us off practically as the gunwales swamped. Super survival nightmare with a save faster than ordering a pizza so true Life/Death but such a timely rescue as to make it all moot and embarrassing, esp to those who REALLY fought in similar situations. POINT is that I never forgot that stubbornness to keep fighting in the face of overwhelming odds/no clear options that kept me from falling into my companion's more grounded panic. Surely there was NOTHING I could do but Star Trek instilled that keep fighting lesson and kept that to this day. And although I now... doubt ... maybe ... I would have actually done so but the Mossberg .30 carbine WAS nevertheless considered as a last mercy vs freeze drowning w/Orcas circling. So it may have saved our lives. I could easily see a "The Mist" scenerio if that plane was only a few minutes late!

[@benjaminaltube8731]

Another bad aspect of the "born this way" trope in recent times. Is that not only some people think they'll get everything they want just because they born with talent, but also other people will stop trying to do things or strive for anything because "If im not born with it im gonna fail" so we get both arrogant assholes and sad pushovers. And well... guess you can see the power dynamics here.

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

The most talented I've known are humble, kind, and never, ever, take their talent for granted. Also you can be gifted in one domain and lagging behind in others. The absurd lack of nuances in the portrayal of so-called talent is very damaging indeed.

[@IainFrame]

"Born this way" unless you decide to change "gender" in which case it's totally a valid life choice. Apparently.

[@pure-blood17]

Yours is the best take I have read on the current problem we have with the writing in the last 5 years.....and your 100% correct in saying that movies and their message transfer to impressionable minds. Both the "Mary Sue" mind set, and the "Sad Pushovers" are setups for failure.

[@propheinx2250]

I mean... is that not a reflection of the real world? Be born with money or be lower class.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@propheinx2250 it is but conservatives and right wingers don’t live in the real world.

[@sandraminarovic1523]

Teaching “positive life lessons” through cinema is a dying art.

[@barneypaws4883]

He just sounds like a Scot making funny noises

[@WokeYoutubecrewismentallyill]

What art🤣

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Original Mulan: Anyone is capable of great things if you play to your strengths whether it's phyiscal or mental 2020 Mulan: If you don't have superpowers then piss off.

[@shadowofhawk55]

No no no no no. It's if you are a lesser human, sod off. Only the genetically superior humans are worth anything.

[@blues4509]

@@shadowofhawk55 genetically superior gender to be more exact

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

If you're a woman, you need to be born perfect or your only use in life is to be a walking womb.

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

@wow who asked?

[@johngenericlastname9781]

If you're not a wahmen piss off - 2020