The WORST People at the DIY Show (Hardcore Punk)

[@NerdLifts]

What's "cringe" about lifers? They committed to their lifestyle, instead of being posers when they where young.

[@bamalam21]

Get. A. Life.

[@jeffsims8270]

Agreed! That said, it's a bit of an iffy sitch when it comes to posers. Personally, attending my first few shows in my teenage years (late 90's), I def felt self conscious since I was a newbie to the scene and hardly knew anyone. As time went on, I felt more comfortable at shows and around other like minded peeps and overall music fans. Although my early show days were pure anxiety, I knew I found the music and style that would remain with me for all my life! I'm a lifer so prep to cringe😬😬😬😬😬

[@Crash.7434]

@@bamalam21maybe learn how to have hobbies and passion.

[@bamalam21]

@@Crash.7434 Nothing screams passion like going to ditches to drink and do drugs with high schoolers while watching the same 5 bands again well into your 40s

[@Crash.7434]

@@bamalam21 well why do you drink and do drugs? That’s just self projection. Just because that’s what you do/did doesn’t mean that’s what everyone does. Maybe learn about straight edge but again you know everything about hardcore😂 Edit: you’re gonna talk about going to shows with “teens” being there and yet you play gta5, one of the most populated games with kids and teenagers😂 I’m 20 and if a 50 year old wants to see a band they like then they should. They shouldn’t have some 30 year old hipster telling them they can’t go😂 stay inside with your video games keyboard warrior

[@owenj1979]

Bar tenders worse days are when they have a straight edge show 😂 I saw em crying at gorilla biscuits cause they were gonna make $0 money. 😂

[@CoochiKente]

"$0 money" is very redundant

[@thecitizenjoan]

The lone hardcore kid that starts two stepping next to you randomly at the end of the song 😂

[@Fuckyatrap]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Shalalalala_666]

THATS ME

[@dougfisher6017]

I saw a guy jump off stage n run to the booth to fight the sound guy once. He wouldn’t turn something up after multiple requests… Ruined the show. However..there are some really great sound guys out there, and they really do know better. Let em make you sound good. They know the venue/acoustics (hopefully)

[@JaymeSplendid]

I was at a Dystopia show and I saw this one guy down a whole 12oz BOTTLE , not to be confused with those little children's aluminum Fisher Price "My first beer" that comes in a can mind you but an actual glass bottle of Michelob Ultra back in 1997. I remember it like it was yesterday. Now, I have seen some CRAZY things at DIY shows over the past 30 years from NS Skins coming in and thinking (Oh so very wrongly) they where going to come in and stomp on some "easy" crusty kids in mid 90's Brooklyn out of all places to straight up crew vs crew fights and some HxC shows but NEVER have I seen something as crazy and mega APPLE-CORE than what I witnessed that one cold day in March at ABC No Rio. The crowed cheered with both enthusiasm, pride in the scene and utter disbelief as he downed that 12oz bottle in one go as the sun dipped down in the L.E.S so perfectly that you could see a special glint reflecting off the brown bottle. Man, those days are long gone.

[@frugal9065]

@@JaymeSplendiddystopia is awesome

[@abcxyz-pd8ux]

yup there's a pg99 show where they get in a drunken fight with the sound guy

[@tygriscalcutta729]

Shout out to Dan for ranking Nazis so low they don't deserve to even be on the list.

[@skriptico]

female punk/hc/squat bartenders are the best, i married one. patient and witty lady :) [edit] and yes, if you're into "aesthetics", they usually look good.

[@bodee7911]

i was at a napalm death show and a dude super drunk hopped on stage and a sound guy grabbed him nd just threw him off😂 landed right in the middle of the pit

[@dougfisher6017]

Being cool to staff every show goes so far.

[@danframpt0n]

hard agree

[@rustyvonhammerdown9054]

I scored a Cringe, a Chill, and a Worst. I do still have my bartender's school certificate though I've only tended bar once so we won't count that.

[@danframpt0n]

I scored a cringe and the worst. Lol

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

I suddenly remembered the song 'Breaking and Reaching' by Snapcase. There was a special dance for this sort of music and straight edge chugga-chugga hardcore in general in the 1990s. Ideally you'd be wearing a baseball cap and a tight white singlet. If you had a hooded sweatshirt on, the hood had to be pulled up over the cap. Now comes the most important accessory: the black backpack. You'd clasp the front straps and nod your head and flap and buck like a leaden flag in a hurricane. Hilarious. Really baggy trousers or long shorts with white socks and skate shoes was mandatory. The skinny jeans thing was for hardcore metalheads, swampies, goths and skinheads only-- absolutely no tight black jeans in the hardcore scene in the 1990s. Funny how these sartorial codes and dancing styles were codified silently then sent out wordlessly, like smoke signals sent between teenager bedrooms across the entire country. This song in particular is right on that dangerous precipice seen only with the benefit of hindsight in 2023; take it too far and you've got deeeekhead nu-metal. Sadly, it's the direction it all went in-- 1990s emo-hardcore bore absolutely NO relation to the music and cultural scene known in the early 2000's as 'emo' or 'scene'. Why THAT goofy social-media and high school based scene of things was even called 'emo' I have no idea; it was NOT an organic development whatsoever, as a progressive third wave, but rather an ENTIRELY different scene/mentality. Thus, 1990s emo and all it entailed has disappeared into the mists of time, as if the original 'emo' scene never even existed. The softer 'emo' bands broke up and collectively fell in love with Radiohead. Metallic hardcore took over, all sense of ethics and a DIY-network of countercultural music just died out and this new generation were mainstream in mentality, all wanting to be cool, get chicks and sign to a big (but cool) label. That was the end of that strain of 'emo'. You could ask these coontailed 'emo' kids with backcombed hair, plastic jewellery and smeared eyeliner wearing My Chemical Romance t-shirts in the early/mid 2000's who Kent from Heartattack was, or what Ebullition or Jade Tree was and you'd only hear crickets. People left the hardcore scenes they were somehow subsumed in and then Ebullition style screamo just turned into pop-metal for angry suburban solipsists partial to over-producing their records and really into their hair and becoming rich rockstars. That's NOT a natural progression. It was a separate seed sprouting altogether...with clothing that smells of their mum's fabric softener?! PS= The strange mind virus that took over a great many men in the 1990s for whom being straight edge, tough, Christian AND vegan wasn't enough was 'Krishna Core'. A short lived and amusing trend which targeted the malleable minds within the scene, strangely bypassing females and ravaging male grey matter only. So much of music history has been lost in the mists of time...

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

Wow, you're bringing me back

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

@@jslaughterofthesoul4939 And you may have noted that I restrained myself from going on about the pathetic predictable devolution of pop-"punk". Now there's the source of great cringe. I'm firing up the Delorian and coming to get you-- I can't leave you alone, ambling around Memory Lane meditating on what's hidden under little Karl Beuchner's bandana, reading garbage like Punk Planet, wondering where you can buy a bottle of Jolt cola for old time's sake.

[@owenj1979]

Bands 😂 I saw a guy throwing chicken blood to everyone but nobody said nothing cause it was the vocalist from a gore band 😂 it was part of his show

[@satanslovechild6458]

I saw G.G. Allin fling shit at the crowd while I sat at the bar and drank

[@somerandomname3124]

@@satanslovechild6458 Based sideline viewer. Nothing like staying out of the moshpit while watching people get covered in beer, blood, and feces.

[@trashcanjam]

Bar tenders definitely need to be up there. They deal with a lot

[@thelizardking896]

They do a good service but by and large bartenders are alcoholics and losers

[@SeanFish4]

The band people are ok until they start getting recognized.

[@Crash.7434]

If you’re doing karate kicks in the pit you don’t belong.

[@crooked-halo]

What bullshit! This deserves a short, cringeworthy book of me bragging of my punk LEGEND life! The sound guy is _only_ good if he can tell me the cool song that's playing between bands, and if he makes the night sound good. Promoters, if they're like ME, are _LEGENDS!_ I promoted in the 80s & the _only_ reason I'd book a band is because they're fire & everyone wanted to see them. I promoted because of my passion for hardcore. I paid bands out of my pocket if the door didn't supply the contract price. I made bands home-cooked meals & put them in 3-star hotels! I gave everyone gift certificates for Krispy Kreme Doughnuts & filled their gas tanks using mom's credit card! I was LEGEND! Now it's 2023, I'm 55, and I'm a Lifer _LEGEND!_ In the past two years I've seen every hardcore show in DFW! Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Murphy's Law, the ORIGINAL Misfits (no shit, a one-off show with Alice Cooper & FEAR! that _sold out_ a 23K seat Dallas pavilion!), Dead Boys, OFF!, Turnstile, Knocked Loose, Drain, Scowl, DRI, TSOL, Negative Approach, 7 Seconds, Agnostic Front, Sick of it All, Terror, GBH, MDC, and many more! If a show/band is duper-dope I'll see them in Austin, too. When I found out Adrenalin OD were celebrating their book release by getting back together & playing 2 shows in NY & NJ, I DROVE from Texas to see them (they are a favorite)! I'll do it again when they open for some of NOFX's East Coast farewell gigs (which haven't been announced). I talked with Keith Morris for 10 minutes after the Circle Jerks gig & we actually engaged! If you know Keith, that's _not_ easy! I spoke with Greg Ginn for 10 minutes, too & didn't ask either for an autograph or a selfie & not once asked about politics between ex Black Flag members! I flipped off Glen Danzig at the Misfits show & he flipped me off too! At shows I don't put toilet paper in my ears & I stand at the edge of the pit & jump in if it's not _too_ violent. I did a stage dive at Knocked Loose! I'm a fucking LEGEND! _Not_ "cringe!" Look at that list of bands above, you can see why half (or more) of the audience has receding gray hair, pot bellies, and a T-shirt with some 80s band! We carry the torch! We are LEGENDS! We used to make fun of old people in the 80s, now we _are_ old(er) people! Damn! When I look at this crazy little book I just wrote I think "Hey, danframptOn may be right in a way! I am cringe!" Read this BS story again & you'll see! But I love it, and don't care! See ya'll at the Drain/Gel show Sat night! Maybe I'll wear a fanny pack, or knee-high socks with shorts! Come on Lifers! We can all be cringeworthy LEGENDS! There! That's the new category! Cringeworthy Legends! Maybe I'll start a band. Now, THAT would be _cringe!_

[@WizardZazaOfficial]

I notice that slammers actually know when to stop compred to pushers. And thats hilarious considering "Pushing" sounds less threatening than "Slamming" 😂

[@donnystyle]

Wow, way to put people in a box

[@danframpt0n]

LMAO

[@karlmay5306]

I'm 38 so I guess I'm a 'lifer' and I can see why that would be cringy, but the benefit of age is that I give a shit a lot less now than when I was a kid. Also I can push crowdkillers over without spilling my drink.

[@UnclePhillyMyAss]

How is cringe? I dont get it? Being older means you got to see some shit the younger gen would give an arm and leg to see. Its cringe cos 'You havent grown out of it?' If anything the lifers earned their stripes, The kids might be only something different in 2 years time

[@punklesam94]

Exactly. I’m nearly 30 and I’ve seen kids embracing their youths at punk shows and it puts a smile on my face.

[@AssMcBlast]

@@UnclePhillyMyAssCringe. That’s why you’re cringe.

[@TheAlxtrm]

wait until you become a lifer ahah

[@deltaarune]

usually the diy shows i go to dont have any bartenders...

[@deltaarune]

or doors....

[@willieluncheonette5843]

the bar tenders at A7, the premier HC venue here in NYC on HC nights were just the opposite of what you said. They were musicians like Doug Holland of Kraut. One big family!

[@mike_b10]

this is the most on-point tier list i have ever seen

[@punklesam94]

I personally don’t see anything wrong with lifers. Not because they’re cringe, they just love the scene and relate to it so much. Each of their own opinions I suppose.

[@spoopy891]

agreed. some of the coolest people i know are lifers. i’m 28 and started going to shows at 18 so i guess i’m now on my way to being a “lifer” too.

[@xWESTICLESx]

Slammers are the worst. There was no need for slamming to devolve into tae kwon do. It was perfect in 1980.

[@liamsherwood1385]

oh shit we said trick ass mark instead of the other way around.

[@joshuabridges1597]

The Bands can be anywhere from legends to the worst.

[@kai_plays_khomus]

Turns out we all are pretty cringe appearently - but it appearently doesn't prevent us from being chill.

[@alleystargrowley2784]

im a lifer and a 3 year tour. guess 90s kids arent welcome anymore.

[@danframpt0n]

Lol I'm the one who's not welcome

[@trashcanjam]

Nah bro! You’re totally welcome and if anything - you’re relatable. I am and was also both things and it’s allllll good.

[@alleystargrowley2784]

​@@danframpt0n whhhatever dude. bestt thing i heard lately is rott outs version of society

[@benjaminmcdonald9443]

Must admit, I don’t get why lifers are cringe. Maybe homeboy thinks folks should stop liking hardcore at a certain age? I dunno.

[@bushleague3472]

@@danframpt0n As a quasi/ part-time lifer, I totally understand how cringe I currently am. Its a reality I dont exactly embrace, but I'm comfortable with it.

[@jaybillings8185]

I'm a lifer. No apologies. It was never "just a phase" or something to grow out of. Call it cringe all you want, I'm happy. It amazes me that a scene so quick to condemn all the "isms"(No racism, sexism, classism etc. - not to mention the "phobias"; homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia etc .) has NO problem with ageism. What IS the "correct age to abandon punk and stop going to shows? BTW, you forgot one or he other "worst"

[@jaybillings8185]

Sorry...got cut off. One of the other "worst" you forgot are the drunk assholes. I'm NOT straight edge - never have been, never will be - but no one can RUIN a good show like a drunk. From picking fights, to knocking over/unplugging/breaking

[@jaybillings8185]

FUCK!!! (continued...AGAIN) ..equipment, acting like a baby, to puking on you/spilling booze all over you, shitty drunks are exasperating.

[@danceswithtallcans7694]

Study this breakdown and learn it verbatim….. so that you can teach it to ….. absolutely no one, because nobody alive would honor this information as anything worth knowing or listening to

[@whatwedointheshadows3349]

i have friends that bartend that try to work shows they'd go to anyway.

[@alexanderfranzen3453]

merch flipper is the worst.

[@skinnyskinhead9492]

Oi skinhead Oi

[@trashcanjam]

Slammers > Pushers Stage Divers > Slammers

[@danframpt0n]

Each one is a level up from the other

[@trashcanjam]

@@danframpt0n they sure are

[@trashcanjam]

Pushers are < EVERYTHING

[@fckwatuthot]

Door guy took a soda bottle out of the trash and took the cap off and sniffed it and made me leave the line for drinking fuck door people 😂

[@HijoGris]

Pushers are 100% the worst

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

Wait why are lifers cringe though

[@kabukimanindahouse]

because it's pretentious and sometimes sad. like, a guy in his 40s still rocking a mohawk and studded vest just comes off as desperate. everyone is free to do whatever they do, but some people are really stuck in the past and haven't heard the bell

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@kabukimanindahouse Desperate? I don't really understand. How does a 40 year old enjoy punk rock culture differently than a 20 year old? The music isn't about youth and youthful activities most of the time... it's stuff like politics and basic emotions such as anger which everyone can relate to. Why does turning 40 prohibit you from taking part in that? I think Minor Threat said it best with these lyrics: "I might be an adult, but I'm a minor at heart Go to college, be a man, what's the fucking deal? It's not how old I am, it's how old I feel"

[@kabukimanindahouse]

@@Sergio-nb4hj nobody in minor threat ever wore a 1 ft mohawk and a leatherjacket with 10000 studs on it. nobody said you can't like the music all throughout your life

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

@@kabukimanindahouse some of their fans have lmao and I'm sure if you asked MT what they think the last things they'd say are "it's sad and desperate". I think you should just say you don't like studs and mohawks. No problem with that.

[@kabukimanindahouse]

@@Sergio-nb4hj no. a guy who's 40 and balding still dying his hair pink is just cringe. end of story.

[@55tranquility]

the worst person is my ex straightedge ex girlfriend actually

[@waskerbasket9601]

you must be going to beatdown shows

[@UKnowUknow]

I love this so much. Maybe include the people you may interact with while standing in line waiting for the door to open? It's part of the experience as a whole.

[@elgull0]

so you put yourself on to the worst list

[@JaymeSplendid]

You forgot to add KZbin commentators to this list.

[@danframpt0n]

They don't go to shows

[@gentlesandladymen]

@@danframpt0n😂

[@Elelyoneleven]

You are bogus for putting "lifers" in the cringe category, just because they saw a couple of hardcore lineups you would only dream about seeing they are cringe?

[@LazyMansNews]

If you are not a lifer, yer a poser

[@JustSomePunx1312]

I'm promoting shows now, and I hate having to explain to people that I lose money doing it. Like, I'm here for the scene, not the $

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

bruhh this was so funny (and true lmaooo)

[@satanslovechild6458]

Promoters bring bands to town and put the money up to do it

[@aedanonline]

I can't stand pushers. I be tryna dance and get fucking shoved across the room

[@Idk_thoo]

But man is it satisfying when they get knocked the fuck out

[@Crash.7434]

Maybe don’t be in the pit?

[@Andrononymous]

God this whole discussion is so funny to me as someone with a foot in both metal and punk, I adore it. My personal rule is, FUCKING READ THE ROOM. Metalband? Pushing. Hardcore band? Dancing. Just look around. Hell, I've been to shows where it was a weird ass hybrid that worked amazingly and brutal as fuck.

[@Crash.7434]

@@Andrononymous nah, punk will only be for moshing. “Hardcore” started in the 70’s with moshing.

[@J-Gwits]

Business Man Dan

[@satanslovechild6458]

I used to be a lifer 20 yrs ago

[@karlmarxsteingoldberg-kike4046]

i'm so cool i was taken off the list

[@jamespulsifer162]

You have the best punk rock channel A cringe lifer would know

[@MrLouis-of3yl]

What is a lifer? I can't find out on the interwebs.

[@danframpt0n]

In it for life. Typically an old head stuck in the past

[@trashcanjam]

In it until the end 👊🏼

[@MrLouis-of3yl]

@@danframpt0n gotcha thanks fam

[@alleystargrowley2784]

we bumpteeror and the hoods

[@MaharlikaAWA]

Punk 4 life. Some of those middle aged punks and metalheads go crazy and make shows wild and more fun. In the 90s I had a grindcore band and this old dude was like "yeaaah!!! Sounds like Carcass!!!" And have the metal horns.

[@adamlawson5021]

What, no trick ass Marks???

[@trashcanjam]

Hahahahahhaahha omg where you placed the actual bands

[@burningbelow4424]

The lifers should be on yhe legends tier. Tey have been there from yhe beggining which makes them kegends....duh

[@trashcanjam]

Hahahahaha 3 year tour. Cringe indeed.

[@trashcanjam]

I love these lists! I tend to agree with you on most of all the things.

[@markbaumbargt3430]

What about bouncers.

[@MaharlikaAWA]

He covered that. Door people.

[@Ghoulische]

in most cases, usually one of the worst

[@J-Gwits]

I ♥ bartenders

[@satanslovechild6458]

I hate stage divers

[@maxhellesto4245]

Than go to the back

[@punklesam94]

You’re just a Karen who killjoys everyone’s moment 💔

[@ironclaw79]

So why are we listening to you and caring about your opinions? Who are you bro whats your credentials?!

[@trashcanjam]

Hahaha calling yourself out like that.

[@rascaltuff]

Yea the bands are the worst

[@smokinnplatez1426]

I am a little older I remember the hard ore basketball jersey people