The Real Reason Finn McKenty Quit YouTube

[@danframpt0n]

I'm almost embarrassed for him... Almost...

[@TrevForSure]

ya just... hate to see it 🤣

[@jordanzumwalt2983]

You even called truce. And he just had to pull you back in. SMH.

[@SecretSocietyofGoths]

@danframpt0n let's not act like he wasn't asking for it. Like he was rude to us. Both of us ya know like when you made your video, you clearly were being a character. He acted the way he did. I made a couple criticisms in ig, and he sent his goons to storm my page. If you bully known bullies, you're gonna get bullied back

[@apoplexiamusic]

you should definitely un-private your videos about him.

[@ryanr5139]

Finn is embarrassing for having an Asian wife and mixed kid

[@ThotdFan127]

Dude deadass says rich bands like Metallica are idiots for still touring when they can just sit at home and make money. He can’t comprehend the fact that people play music cuz they LIKE it.

[@danframpt0n]

Hahaha, yeah its wild to me. If I were Metallica I'd wanna spend as much time being Metallica as possible.

[@py16667]

& they want to provide a service to people who love & support them, yeah imagine being grateful for your success lol

[@EddieSpaghetti-fh8dy]

@@ThotdFan127 it's like saying Tony Alva or Tony Hawk is an idiot for still skateboarding

[@lucasoheyze4597]

I'm not a Metallica fan but it's obvious when you see them they can't believe they're getting paid to play music

[@lisalancaster6510]

To be fair bands like Metallica have also made it clear the reason they keep touring is because venues pay them a shit ton of money like the whole reason sick new world got cancelled is because they increased ticket prices to account for the fact they offered Metallica and Linkin park both 3 million to perform and they weren’t selling enough tickets to break even so I mean no shit a big part of the reason people do anything is for money it’s not a giant revelation or something and doesn’t downplay the effect the music has had it’s just something anyone with half a brain will find pretty obvious it’s the same reason most bands like Metallica have opted into dynamic pricing because they are still trying to makes a shit ton of money just common sense but yeah that’s just how the world works Metallica may be one of the worst examples because yes there are (mainly smaller) bands who do what they do for the love of the sport but most of the biggest bands especially not Metallica are doing it entirely for that reason

[@rodbelding9523]

I was unaware he quit, I stopped paying attention to him forever ago lol

[@zameion90]

Same, dude has the worst takes

[@marktammany8542]

Agreed. Stopped watching in 2021, and then forgot about him until seeing the thumbnail of this video.

[@CaH6633]

He's basically a lolcow now

[@random-user33]

Same, unsubbed from him a couple years ago after he had some really bad takes and when people politely disagreed with him he got super defensive.

[@Beavisofficial]

yeah i was just living my life in absolute bliss and totality until i remembered that he existed..

[@davidbucky7634]

"being in punk rock for the money" the least punk rock thing one could do

[@danframpt0n]

You got that right

[@__M738]

Everyone is in everything for money by the time they have to make money to survive

[@vTheHeroicIdeal]

@@__M738true, but it’s really moreso just old punk dudes who don’t wanna give up the image for some reason. Like, if you are a corporate sellout just admit it and be that lol

[@sharksocks8130]

Or the “most” punk rock thing you can say

[@DefiantStyle]

@@sharksocks8130ya if you’re a sociopathic punk lol. Punk needs to exist in the realness!

[@Kidconfusion2007]

The final straw for me was when he said rock is dead and people like MGK and Oliva Rodrigo were the ones who could save it. There are so many good rock bands out there that aren't well known that he could have given a spotlight to, but instead, he focused on pop crap like Post Malone.

[@nickdoe7770]

Because the dude actually never cared about music. He was always just a culture vulture, back to his youth days.

[@ATeenagerFromMars]

pretty sure those were jokes

[@UGLY-MONEY17]

I don’t think he knows many newer rock artists

[@UGLY-MONEY17]

@Christcorepunkfanno I don’t think they were. He was saying that they were carrying the sound into the mainstream and that would keep the genre alive

[@guyincognito320]

He also made some kind of culturally anti-white comment in every single video. Rock is white, and you like white culture by liking it, and you cannot trash white people and expect to 'save rock' or something.. and it literally doesn't matter if anyone else likes it in large numbers.. and we don't need hip hop or pseudo-hip hop acts at rock festivals, and they actually make those festivals worse. I would never be saying this if this sort of leftist anti-white heuristic and humor-coding weren't endemic to pretty much all musical criticism (not just Finn).

[@ryanshinermusic]

Now that he’s out of KZbin, you are now promoted from Discount Finn McKenty to Finn McKenty.

[@ventiproduction8186]

I don’t think bro would want to be Finn at this point

[@NESADDICT]

Don’t do Dan that way 😂

[@ChadAV69]

I’ve never liked him. He comes off as an entrepreneur bro. It’s insane to me that he says “musicians are a lost cause. People on indeed with only 10k followers make more money than them!”. He can’t fathom that music (or life) isn’t all about money…

[@catalysts94]

but if you can't make it after so long and you refuse to get a stable normal job it is wrong to chase being an musician.

[@zachroberts1988]

He doesnt understand some people are happy living with next to nothing but they get to do something they love everyday...

[@fydstar]

Nah he left cos he made his money. All he had to do was ignore the comments, which he probably did. He’s an empty lying narcissistic grifter, but an organised and successful empty lying narcissistic grifter. Other successful empty lying narcissistic grifters are available, so watch out for em!

[@josephwright8839]

For real, if musicians are a lost cause it’s because people like Finn have made it that way. Capitalizing off the passion of musicians and scenes he had no connections to

[@BrendaGonzalez-th5bm]

Finn was not metal. He was not punk or hardcore. He was a pop trendy machine. Lastly, Chelsea Green for the US title!

[@danframpt0n]

Chelsea better take it home! 🇨🇦

[@fives.]

Even as a Kiwi and therefore a Dakota Kai simp who wants her to win the belt, I have to acknowledge Chelsea Green is goddamn money and a very, very talented worker

[@CaH6633]

Never trust a 45 year old man who thinks Ronnie Radke is based.

[@BrendaGonzalez-th5bm]

@@fives. Well deserved 👏🏽

[@lewisb85]

Back in the day he was, i have mutual friends from the ohio scene who remember him back when he was there for college. But I wonder if part of it is like old guy revisiting youth.

[@mattkaip2077]

He’s a mid 90s mall punk bro. It was more about the clothing and identity than the music.

[@Clown_Wizard]

As a fellow fallen fan, the thing that started to irritate me t about him he most was his "people can't take a joke" attitude when really his jokes were very specific and unfunny or clever insults at very specific fan bases (which included me as a fan of System of a Down and Megadeth), and fans naturally pushed back. When really, he was like that loser who asked a girl out, got rejected, and then furiously backpedalled to try and re-frame it as a joke rather than just moving on.

[@mhead4376]

I could tell he had no interest in music just by listening to his music opinions

[@danframpt0n]

There are a lot of context clues along the way no doubt

[@mick9850]

Yeah for sure mate. The dude was trying to sell mumble rap as the new punk.

[@gsly6081]

@@mick9850 And saying all songs that were above 4 minutes in lenght were bad

[@whosaidthat84]

And he hated any music that was more than five years old. He only liked what was popular.

[@EncoreASMR]

He once said The Lumineers sounded the same as Sonic Youth 😂

[@Oldtakunovideo79]

He did it all for the Nookie

[@danframpt0n]

AND he took the cookie and stuck it up his YEAH!

[@s.a.l.1974]

the PRMBA wife lore makes this comment way better and way worse

[@crystalracing4794]

😂😂😊

[@alexleblanc5926]

🍪⬆️🍑

[@DLynch]

this is so scummy for so many reasons. The biggest sin of all is picking Punk Rock, an anti capitalistic genre, that largely rejects posers…to syphon money from. I feel so ridiculous watching this guy, and thinking he is an authority figure on anything. This is the literal definition of poser.

[@Bassmanhill84]

Agree 1000 percent

[@nienaber1305]

It also just makes no sense. There got to be hundreds of more lucrative markets for marketing and content creation etc if you are just in it for the money. You need to be absolutely psychotic or dumb or think so little of yourself that you don’t think you can make a dime in more competitive markets. No matter how you think the argumentation through, it leaves nothing positive.

[@bigmanmccheez5342]

I honestly think he's still lying about his reason why. There is no way someone who has worked in metal and punk magazines from 2009-2017, made a metal blog page in 2012 and had a Morbid Angel tattoo has ZERO interest in music. He doesn't want to say that he doesn't want to deal with the criticism, because he's a macho man who can't admit when he's been defeated.

[@rorz999]

​@@bigmanmccheez5342 you are 100% correct, and it's mind-blowing to me how many people are taking what Finn said at face value. He is very obviously not telling the truth about the reasons why he quit

[@bigmanmccheez5342]

@@rorz999 Right! It's honestly worrying that people didn't notice

[@PM-vv3uc]

I don't know which youtuber is worse, Finn Mckenty or this guy but I think we all agree we won't miss both.

[@Hoe_Nam]

Both love the attention

[@jaredglosser2497]

This is the poser that would wear the band shirts in highschool but not actually listen to those bands lol .

[@crystalracing4794]

He's one of those people you wished you never met.

[@TonehengeProductions]

Finn McKenty quitting youtube is the best news of 2024 to me.

[@LIBOFFENDER44]

Trump won so there's great news

[@CaH6633]

I don't know about that....I mean it's good news but....I mean have you seen the trailer for that new Elden Ring game? Man that thing looks lit as fuck.

[@TonehengeProductions]

@@CaH6633 I mean- Helldivers 2 is my jam, so I GUESS you're right... But I mean- this is a VERY and I mean VERY close second for me though lol, I hope the new Elden Ring slaps dude!

[@CaH6633]

​@@TonehengeProductionsI'll have to check out Helldivers sometime. All the best games have "hell" in the title lol

[@EncoreASMR]

🥳 🎉 🪅

[@trashcanjam]

He thinks he’s fooling his followers … he’s just coming across as a smug bozo

[@danframpt0n]

Agreed big time

[@jdb2722]

Wasn’t he always?

[@JohnPhelps]

Dm'd Finn once telling him that a video he did talking about mental health/self help was really impactful and he replied saying that he wouldnt do another because it didnt get a ton of views. I get it but it did make me look a bit differently at his content & I inevitably tapered off.

[@StarsDie88]

Wow that reveals some troubling personality traits about the guy. Dude is coming off like Dennis Reynolds fr fr.

[@reidood]

I think him saying "I don't really have any interest in music" was tongue in cheek/sarcastic. Like he's saying "Okay, yeah, you're all right, I don't give a shit about music. I just did it all for the money. You all win". Sometimes he had some really fucking shit takes, but I could tell that the dude was at least passionate about music. I think he realized he can make some serious green doing this YT shit and milked it for all that it was worth until he lost interest in making videos and also realized that it wasn't worth the shit he was getting and being hated on so he bounced.

[@BlastBeatBreakdown]

Thats what I was thinkin too, just being online to hate all the time must be taxing

[@paula92111]

Agreed. I don't think he'd actually say something like that even if it was true💀 he was definitely being sarcastic

[@cosmicsea666]

Completely agree.

[@iamcase1245]

He's still obsessed with 2000s pop punk because that's when he was the 25 year old guy chasing 16 year old girls around Warped Tour shows. He's lying, he loves pop punk but he's terrified of what new scandal is going to come out about him. He's sick of defending himself. Dude got outed as a groomer. He got outed as a white supremacist. It got out his dad was a a racist cop. He made an anti-asian video with his wife thinking we wouldn't find out. He accidentally self-snitched on how he used to chase teen girls at pop-punk shows in the early 2000s when he was like 24. He self-snitched on how he was never active in punk until his early 20s and really never went past American pop-punk. There's credible evidence he was an incel until he met his wife when she was in high school and he was in his 30s. It's been suggested he might've even moved to Seattle just to be near her during her senior year. Like, he has to just bow out before all this stuff compounds and builds up into something he can't slither away from anymore.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

He was hated on for a reason, he didn't recognize the boundaries of his knowledge and talked a lot of shit.

[@KillerChronicles]

"I wish he could just say 'I'm not creative, I don't like creating, I hate the hate that I get, I'm getting hate for stuff that I hate doing..so I really should find something that I'm passionate about and go do that in my life."....umm....that is pretty much exactly what he has said on his Discord and in the interview you are referencing.

[@JRam998]

Finn Mckenty is such a character. I have a love-hate relationship with him tbh. Like the idea, dont like the execution.

[@danframpt0n]

Fair enough i suppose lol

[@rylanlittle261]

Same here, so many annoying opinions, but I did like the content

[@BulletProofBacon]

Same. Stopped watching cuz I found other interests and better creators, but back then I’d tune in for the content and I could live with Finn’s annoyances. Finn “now I’m NOT saying” McKenty

[@dynamicphotography_]

I understand the love/hate. He was actually pretty good several years ago. But wow it got bad in recent times.

[@TheLuiscelaya]

The Sellout MBA. At least he admitted it, not trying to poo poo on him being a sellout in his own words. But it seems like there’s a pretty sizable elephant in the room regarding some other controversies about his life that probably explains why he’s quitting KZbin and hiding in the big ole’ professional world of LinkedIn where only the cream of the crop resides

[@danframpt0n]

I suspect there are more skeletons in the closet for sure

[@zachroberts1988]

LinkedIn is the only place delusional enough for him...

[@micromints1735]

I don't believe he never cared about music; he wrote zines since 1992 and launched his own site and wrote for MetalSucks under the "Sergeant D" pseudonym. He was a cynical opportunist that was obsessed with getting as much money as possible but him quitting is cope for people mocking him.

[@ms-06fzakuii53]

Lmao, of course he wrote for metalsucks

[@tarnishedsphincter8672]

The Punk Historian > The Punk Rock MBA

[@danframpt0n]

Oh yeah by a million. Love that dude

[@RibeiroGames12]

That dude is definitely into punk

[@lovelife1867]

@@RibeiroGames12 historian is the MAN.

[@EncoreASMR]

Easy choice

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

Let's not forget our man Randall from Punk Rock Review

[@gothiccowboy95]

My friend is good friends with him and the number 1 reason to why he quit was he was sick of talking about old music because in the long run that’s all that got views. When he started out he was really one of the first people in Rock space to support Emo Rap & Trap Metal and the new wave of Rock that followed but throughout the years his audience turned into a bunch of dudes in their 40’s and 50’s and lame ass elder emos complaining. So the mistake Finn made was he fed the audience with content they wanted and got jaded and then quit.

[@gengashaunt3322]

I would be burnt out too. I used to dislike him but I enjoyed his perspectives anyway it was USUALLY different and that's what im there for. If I turn on Nik Nocturnal and everything he says I expect or agree with, it'd be boring to watch. Now I don't agree with everything he says, and that's why I watch him. Album reviews, I'll disagree but that's why I listen they hear something I don't. Once I looked into genres and why they exist, their intended purpose, I saw why some disliked newer metalcore in the 2000s. These emo scene bands didn't really HAVE messages, post hardcore bands did though. Metalcore adopted the SOUND, picked up a look that screams visual kei and anime, and screamed about how their girl left. That now makes rational sense why that'd bother people who took it serious. And it was serious, so was the bands. On the other hand, it got the genre growing and we have a lot of bands that arguably ended up pretty damn good found started actually talking about shit as they aged. I feel like people would forget how young the people forming these bands were. Not like older bands weren't young too, but their influences weren't. They adopted these views or lived it. The scene emo kids probably didn't, but they're kids let them have fun. Finn not wanting to talk about old shit is understandable. He LIKED the trap shit, me too, I LOVED that he talked about it at all. I don't wish the guy bad. I'll genuinely miss hearing him bash bands I like it felt like a bigger brother bullying me lmao

[@lexicon2792]

Your friend should get better friends

[@SupaSavage24]

He says that, but he contradicts himself all the time.

[@TedDiabetes]

Is your friend friends with his transpobe wife as well?

[@jesseporter3397]

​@TedDiabetes is your wife trans and you don't like people making fun of trans? Everything else OK tho right?

[@Staplegun]

Anyone who watched his Twitch streams shouldn't be surprised about his statements.

[@danframpt0n]

True eh

[@DrummingKid78]

I'm gonna spill the tea on something about Finn that I'm not sure a lot of people know. I want to clarify that I don't think he did this maliciously and I think it was just an honest mistake which everybody makes, but this was a relatively decently sized one. I don't know how many people saw this video but he posted a video on his personal KZbin not the PRMBA if I'm not mistaken promoting a website called Featuredx where all of these big named artists (literally artists like Kellin Quin and others of varying magnitude) offering their service to do a guest vocal on your song if you're an artist/band. Nothing short of a total scam and I lost money that I never got back because of it. Granted that's just anecdotal evidence, and I don't know what EVERYONE's experience was with it, but he has since taken that video down. Again, I think he genuinely wanted to maybe help aspiring artists out by recommending that, but the website was complete trash.

[@willy_b_coyote]

Hot take: I don’t buy that Finn was always a grifter when it came to music. He was making punk zines a good 10-20 years before he started his channel, so for him to flip turn and say “I never liked music” seems like bullshit to me. At some point he lost the passion, became more interested in numbers and subs, got burnt out from the grind, and is just being an asshole about it.

[@rorz999]

Yep 100%. Although he didn't even say "I never liked music", rather "I have no interest in music / I don't like music", which is probably true now, but obviously at one time he cared about it a lot.

[@Benlovescheese]

Finn mckenty is the definition of a poser, a word that I never use for people also ironic considering he’d call everyone a poser.

[@moisesacebedo]

I don’t want to defend the guy, but he was pretty straightforward about marketing being his passion over music. The most value I got from his videos was the “get your shit together and learn how to market yourself” message. That being said, I think there’s more to the story than what he’s letting on. A big part of this confession seems to be the result of him growing tired of the negative comments on social media. It feels like he’s saying: You want me to be the villain? Fine, watch me be the villain. Sure, he probably didn’t like SOAD, but watching his infamous “tier list videos,” I was amazed by the amount of lore he knew about obscure bands-bands without even a Wikipedia page-across every genre. Bottom line: I think this looks more like an unprocessed burnout episode, especially given that he suspects he’s on the spectrum and has shared details about the trauma from his formative years. I guess he kind of lied before, and he’s kind of lying now. Still, I wish him the best.

[@andreiscovers]

Finn's early videos got me into some of the genres that I now love, like slam, crabcore, and neon-pop punk ... but his channel has been so soulless for so long now. Oh well, I Haven't watched him in years, and him quitting now that he has made his money does not surprise me.

[@HaughtKarl-jx9vr]

"The Punk Rock GED" is just coping because he's getting roasted.

[@danframpt0n]

Oooh yeah 100

[@Beavisofficial]

i like how its usually the ''punks'' who care about what people think

[@Beavisofficial]

gg allin would never

[@xmikenecrofentx]

The only real conclusion I can draw from this entire situation is that the world of full time “content creators” is nothing less than a giant exercise in monetized cynicism. Pretty much all of it is gimmick for generating clicks and selling products. And what kind of gimmick is at the top of that list? Drama, accusations, and witch-hunts. Those always generate clicks. I couldn’t give a fuck about Finn’s personal life or whatever his Wife’s political views are.

[@mikek3658]

"I don't even listen to hardcore anymore, I mostly listen to pop"

[@gengashaunt3322]

I'm not mad at the guy, seems I'm the only one, BUT that shit killed me lmfao I remember I first heard him say that I'm like....dawg you like MeatShits, and terrible quality black metal that's borderline experimental ( probably one of his lies maybe? )

[@RibeiroGames12]

He never listened to hardcore to begin with. The punk rock MBA name was basically a scam. He didn't care for anything that came out from the 80s

[@whosaidthat84]

He didn't like old music because it was old. He only cared about new and trendy, even if it wasn't good.

[@TomTomTomTom538]

Just remember he just had a daughter and probably realised being in the public eye and receiving hate will not do her any good

[@EncoreASMR]

*A son

[@patriciasouza8104]

This scammer, as all scammers, is all about money. That’s it.

[@TheJayofthejungle]

especially since he groomed his wife. Good riddance

[@afroheadwes]

I mean if you followed him from the beginning, it really shouldn’t be surprising. But I’m happy for him stopping. He made rock music worse when Falling in Reverse got big tbh.

[@danframpt0n]

You're right

[@afroheadwes]

@ I also think that the comment section on that video is an indictment on the amount of idiots in the rock scene. But that’s just me

[@danthemanmillan]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to make money off music. Hell, I want to make money off music through KZbin myself.The issue is when it's the sole priority of your goals and not doing it because you love it. Passion should always come first.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Bye bye Finn won’t miss him tbh

[@danframpt0n]

No tears shed over here

[@leftymcnally6913]

He could've just said "I'm leaving KZbin because I just had a kid", and most people probably would've just left it at that, but yeah...death by KZbin instead I guess

[@TMINE100]

Oddly he couldn't have marketed his shift worse.

[@LocalMansOpinion]

Now whos gonna interview metalcore singers with allegations to get "their side of the story"

[@danframpt0n]

lmao ironically enough, it's gonna be the guy who interviewed him

[@LocalMansOpinion]

@danframpt0n oh FOR SURE lol he seems less insufferable though at least

[@brandynkilpatrick]

@@LocalMansOpinionI mean it’s not exactly hard to be less insufferable😂

[@LocalMansOpinion]

@brandynkilpatrick it really is a low bar

[@MandyMoorehol]

He quit because I bullied him for years for not making a video about Jud Jud.

[@danframpt0n]

Hahahahahaha i believe it

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I love their song that goes Duh-nuh-nah-nuh-nah-nah-nuh-nan-nuh-nuh-nah.

[@MandyMoorehol]

@ that one is great!

[@johnpower29]

He's obviously trolling in the interview

[@bigmanmccheez5342]

That's exactly what I see! There is no chance that a man who was a journalist for punk and metal magazines from 2009-2017 has zero interest in music. He's also been sarcastic in the past, he's pulled this shit before! I don't get how people can be this dense.

[@ceejluige4816]

I also used to be a subscriber to his channel. At some point, it started to dawn on me that he was becoming increasingly more morally inconsistent and I mentioned it to him in passing (I had left many comments on his channel over the years with positive feedback from him), he proceeded to talk down and scold me like I was his 4 year old who just broke the lamp. My initial reaction was to argue with him but after about an hour I realized it was pointless and deleted my comment, unsubscribed from both of his channels and I think I might have even blocked Punk Rock MBA because I didn't get any recommendations from the channel after that. But as far as this interview goes: He obviously cares about music. Maybe not to the extent that he let on in his videos, but there is some fandom there. He knows too much about obscure bands and has anecdotes to tell about a lot of stuff surrounding the punk/metal/hardcore/hip hop worlds. I think he said this because he wants to be done with YT and is strategic enough to know that if he just says he doesn't care and he did it all for money, that no one will ever trust him again. That way, he can't fall back on YT in the future if he wanted to. That's just my opinion, though.

[@tsubakiwantsacoffee]

Pretty sure he was being facetious with that comment about not caring about music at all. He’s also come out as having autism in the past couple years so I think that accounts for his communication being a bit off. That being said, it’s been clear that he’s lost his passion for the channel for some time now.

[@silentagony1019]

He treated his KZbin channels like a 9-5 job. I can see where he’s coming from where if you were hired at a place like for example, McDonald’s, are you really working there because you love the environment, the people and you like helping people save money but giving them the best deals? No because you’re only there to get paid. Becoming a KZbinr has been a dream for most people which is a platform where people can genuinely express their love for something while getting paid for it. Finn treated KZbin like he was only filling the job descriptions and that’s about it. I can’t blame him because we all do it in our day to day lives when we get hired for a job we don’t necessarily enjoy doing but only stuck it out for the money. However, I feel like he came into the wrong industry with that kind of mindset. Not everything has to be about money and music creation is something that people enjoy doing. Him not understanding that makes him seem soulless

[@alexlz8143]

He got bullied for having shit takes on successful rock bands.

[@danframpt0n]

He sure did

[@mountaverage2706]

And for being a groomer.

[@Beavisofficial]

or his opinios were just stupidly obvious. i dont want to sound arrogant but it seems like dumbed down content gets a huge pass these days, i think we should go back to philosophy

[@iansharp1543]

This is weird, but I think I get it. First off, I should say that I kind of go back with him. I used to be a frequent in the SYWH community, and we were FB friends for a while. He would comment on my posts and stuff, but I wouldn't say that we were actual friends or anything. I kind of distanced myself because he got big on youtube and his takes started to drift away from my opinions, and I didn't want to fall into a weird parasocial bubble where I felt the need to "correct" him. I just kind of figured good for him and moved on with my life. This was a while ago, back around the time he started using his real name instead of Sargent D. So I guess I was online buddies with Sarge, but I never really got to know Finn if that makes sense. I think the real issue is, like you said, he's middle-aged. When people get older, especially as they get married and have kids, a lot of them will take less interest in hobbies and fandoms and such. I think it probably got to a point to where he didn't care enough about music to make the hate he was receiving justified. I'm 41 and I still love metal music, but I don't follow it as intently as I did in my 20s. I've admittedly been out of the loop for a couple of years, so I would be curious to see your other videos just for your perspective, especially if he was striking your videos and such, which I think is a dick move. I'd still call myself a supporter as far as him as person is concerned, hoping he does well and finds happiness and all of that, but I don't really care about the history of System of a Down or why pop music is legitimately better than metal because they make more money, which seemed to be the direction he was going when I checked out.

[@abbanjo13]

Im glad punk rock fans, like hip hop fans, have learned this year that gatekeeping is good actually.

[@roxyamused]

I think gatekeeping is a word for it. I think it's just not pretending you're well versed when you're not. Having all the clothes inorganically. Someone who is merely an interested newbie can usually get through the gate. Electronic music can be really gate kept unless you can talk about synths and ask for recommendations, same for (some) of the varying forms of metal. The original black metal scene was extremely gate kept. Nonetheless, it's really just about honest interest.

[@AndairaBoos]

Remember kiddies you gotta have a thick skin to have a career here on youtube

[@kv6256]

I realized the dude was a hack very early on in his channel. I think it was his skate punk video...had a back and forth with him in the comments...and he just ended up explaining how he didnt really like punk rock. Ironic.

[@myturntableonlyplayspigdes2640]

Man haters gonna hate good on Finn for getting his success and getting the bag I just hope he has peace now he already made his mark and ya'll are hella mad I'm a long time follower and while I haven't followed him near as closely in recent years but the bottom line is he is a disabled person that has achieved great success in a nation of liars and now all the hypocrites are coming out of the woodwork like Finn bad! have ya'll actually been listening to hi over the years? Cause I feel like they haven't

[@brownpunk1794]

Never liked him..couldnt put my finger on why but he seemed pretentious and know it all .holier than thou.

[@StarsDie88]

And he based his music takes on how much money could be made off of it, which is kind of a soulless way to view music anyways.

[@Woefulwelshman]

He was definitely exaggerating or lying when he said he had no interest in music. He wouldn't make videos for seven years if he didn't like the music. We know he doesn't like new music that's coming out, and he has mentioned multiple times that the videos he wants to make don't get good reception, so he's forced to make videos that he doesn't want to make. Doesn't feel good to defend him, but he was probably joking when he said he doesn't like music and only did it for the money. 100% rage bait.

[@danframpt0n]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@ey3z4ya]

This should be obvious to anyone who regularly tuned into his streams. If he wasn't whining about hipsters and music publications he would be bickering with chatters and calling them pretentious for not liking mgk or something

[@davisonsarai7763]

With all due respect, i think you and a lot of other commenters are either intentionally or accidentally missing the point. You're right, it's completely ridiculous to try to make money from hardcore videos. That's not evidence that he's stupid, it's evidence that he's lying. He's lying. For about a year, he was more openly complaining in his videos about being unpopular in comment sections, and you could tell it was just dragging him down week by week. I wasn't surprised when he quit, he had basically been setting the table for quitting for a while. I think that people are seeing this as a gotcha moment, a quick chance to point at his stupidity, but in doing so are looking pretty short sighted. He's bitter and sarcastic now, he's lying.

[@HTJason_S12]

I've thought about it, and I think Finn was bullshitting that entire interview. You don't have all those tattoos and say you hate music. The hate got to him and he couldn't handle it. He didn't know when to listen and when not to listen. He wasn't prepared. Is he a grifter? Not before this interview but he admitted to it. Is he a groomer? Not really, it's all opinionated-based threads making stuff like that up. Regardless, I think it's clear to say the internet is not for him.

[@lewin13]

"I'll un-private those videos if this video hits 50k views" Eww. Idk something about that doesn't sit right after you just went on for 13 mins about Finn doing it for the money.

[@danframpt0n]

You're so lost buddy

[@lewin13]

@@danframpt0n You didn't say that? And just to be clear I'm not a ravenous Finn fan. I was enjoying your vid until I heard you say "Gimme views and I'll un-private the videos that you'll want to see after this video of me telling you about all the crazy encounters I had with this gut". Sounded a bit weird is all.

[@Prodbynull]

2:58 Finn is definitely NOT “one of the OG’s of music content creation”

[@danframpt0n]

Correct

[@kingserafoi8355]

lol...I was pretty neutral on his videos. Not good, not bad. Milktoast...however, what's it say about you and all the commenters who obviously care WAY too much about him and the content he makes. He got the views. He reeled u in enough to care about irrelevant drama and his "character"...he doesn't owe anyone shittt and thinking he does is an indictment on your para social relationship. He didnt engage and it fueled the hate towards him. The concept of the "haters are right" and if you respond to us then you can make videos again isss soooo f'n weird. He said fine, cya....and despite the comments, you all are actually seemingly pretty mad he didn't play your games of engagement and just left. I don't see the issue. His passion isn't as strong as my passion is sooo lame and pretentious

[@KerryOverby-me3db]

I fear our boy Dan will become corrupted by that sweet youtube money, and one day I'll have to watch a video of a swole, beanie-less, neck-tattoo'd Dan Frampton calling us posers for not being about that weight-lifting life, and advising he's quitting youtube because he's sick of being accused of roid rage. I mean, that is just one possible way it could play out, and I'm confident our boy here won't do us that way, but I'm also a poser and shit at predictions so i'll just hope for the best

[@TheBoomBoxGuru]

I really dug The Punk Rock MBA channel, especially the What Killed It genre series. Where I started loosing interest, was when Finn jumped on the whole rock is dying narrative. Finn continuously made those type of videos almost every week at one point.

[@jamesbryant8087]

His whole “Rock is dead” narrative is why I tuned out. He kept insisting the genre was dead, and as a guy who was part of a dedicated group of folks who revived an entire group of rock/metal genres in my home town, I hated his negativity. It felt like a spit in the face to us small guys at the local level.

[@DrMurdercock]

All I ever did was post on his videos, call his BS, lies, manipulations and try to tell people he was a poser. Many of us tried. MANY OF US

[@kenfrederick6223]

I always thought he was a hack. He acted as if he experienced every facet of every musical trend since 1930. He was just reading Wiki pages and Allmusic columns most of the time.

[@camiloraw]

Now I kinda want to make a band called Finn Mckunty 😂

[@laurisaarinen1126]

I was honestly a fan of him for a long time... I never heard about any of the accusations or him being problematic in other ways, i was just surprised by lot of his opinions. I did like how he could praise a critically bashed band like 311 who i always thought were underrated... But it felt weird when he always talked smack about metalheads and music nerds, and said he's more into pop country and "stripper fight music" (basically, trashy female rappers) nowadays than anything alternative. I think he's lying with "never caring about music" as he honestly had so much knowledge about it, the whole culture. I believe he just changed and became lot more interested in the marketing and branding aspects, like a businessman... Which can be interesting also, but i could never put something ahead of the art personally.

[@roymartin500]

I agree. The whole video his video feed was freezing, Thanksgiving & holiday frustration and him being happy to move on. He does say it got old creating content on 04 bands and unfortunately alot of people are reading more into it. All your points are valid. Thanks!

[@homuraakemi4559]

I stopped listening to Pousser rock MBA when he listened to Malice Mizer and dismissed it as "weird Japanese doing weird things" but it's okay for American bands to dress how they want and make unconventional music from their subgenre

[@diplenski]

idk, that's pretty respectable. life is too short to spend doing stuff you don't want to do, if you don't have to. if you can get yourself to a place that you don't have to, that's great. it's better than slinging shit at someone you don't know personally.

[@danframpt0n]

Classic diplenski take 👌 ✨️

[@diplenski]

@@danframpt0n someone has to be the voice of reason. it's kinda weird that it's me tbh 😭

[@alexandrea4316]

He played the game the way it should be played. Now he has freedom to do whatever he wants, he can now save the world for all I care. People are too romantic about working with what you love but it's not always possible to do that and retire.

[@youcanthandlemyDJOEY]

Hey man! You earned my sub, respect, and love! Now I know why I haven't seen any content from him. But yeah, thanks, and good thing I stumbled upon your channel, and yeah! Much love and support from the Philippines!

[@genxjason]

Man I feel like a chump. I didn't watch him regularly but what i did watch was entertaining. Its sad when even music content creators are shitty.

[@danframpt0n]

Admitting to doing it all for the money was the nail in his coffin

[@erickghoul174]

In several videos, Finn indicated that he was only making videos for the money and at a certain point, admitted that he was basically just ripping Wikipedia articles and keeping his personality out as to appease the viewers and avoid negative interaction. The more soulless his content became, the more I just avoided it but I’m not sure why Finn’s sentiments in this podcast are coming as a surprise to anyone. He’s also made it abundantly clear in several of his videos that he believes musicians should do whatever it takes to make as much money as possible, even at the cost of their authenticity

[@ether_sect]

Kind of gross how many hate obsessed drama lovers are on KZbin.

[@danframpt0n]

Ok

[@ms-06fzakuii53]

McKunty fan detected

[@user-ks8ux4ig6b]

He wouldn't be the first person to do something for the money and pretend he liked his job.... I'm not mad at him. It can take people a while to finally leave a job they've lost interest in.

[@RobH1093]

I find it funny that he used to be SeargentD and wrote a scathing blogpost where he was slating bands like Thursday (a band that genuinely started in the DIY scene) and then when he started his KZbin Channel he started simping for Ronnie Radke.

[@CaH6633]

I mean when you really think about it he has a lot in common with Ronnie Radke. They're both lolcows who will do anything for attention. They're both morons. They're both condescending pricks. Etc. In hindsight it actually makes so much sense.

[@jacksonwatkins6431]

So I'm really glad that you made the point that he does actually care about the music. Because to me that's the the biggest lie. I don't believe he doesn't care about music and never did, I think that bit is weird cope.

[@danframpt0n]

Yeah, that was a total misdirection in my opinion.

[@deengew]

FINN MCKENTY, THE SCREAMO, NU METAL, AND BUTTROCK MBA!

[@imaguy123]

The whole 'never liked or cared about music' is such BS LOL... I'm sure that he didn't like a lot of the bands he did videos about, but for real bro??? Give me a break

[@lexicon2792]

His takes were uniformly bad. He might have cared about the music at some point, but he didn't know anything about it. Like saying Rollins wasn't important to Black Flag. Just clown shit. If he knew about the music, he would know that you don't get rich off of punk unless you are a record producer in the 70's.

[@veryStupidInternet]

Wait, a guy with "MBA" in his channel name sold out? It was just a business for him and he did it only for money??? Whaaaaa???

[@UntilTheSilence]

Stopped really watching a while ago when he stopped talking about punk and hardcore. The fact that he absolutely hated indie DIY music but loved Katie Perry and country music... that's when I realized he wasn't the underground music authority I could count on.

[@williambrown8275]

"Audiences want you to confirm what they already believe." Finn McKenty.

[@John-fh2mg]

I joined his discord for a hot minute. He was only ever good at punching down. It was so obnoxious. I'm glad everybody turned on him

[@Jiggly_jerry]

Unprivate those videos. If he doesn’t care about his legacy, why should you protect it?

[@poisontribal9909]

How much you wanna bet he’ll be back when the money runs out?

[@loompy1440]

Damn it’s kind of rare these days that I give someone the benefit of the doubt and it blows up in my face to this level on account of I’m basically a paranoid hermit with ptsd. (Guess that makes me easier to grift) I wanted to like him because I saw the good in him and some value in his words. That said, him leaving on that note is pretty disrespectful, cold hearted, and disappointing.

[@superstarthomas]

uh oh Ronnie Radke just lost his biggest supporter. lol

[@EncoreASMR]

😂😂

[@NickNotar]

Dan IS NOT milking the drama. Nuh uh. Not at all.

[@KadeBronson]

How could you be rivals when he is successful and you aren't? That is like saying Ryan Kaji is my rival.

[@danframpt0n]

I am successful.

[@crustpunkjesuschrist]

Real Finn McKenty mindset, view and subscriber counts are all that matters, really punk mindset tbh

[@KadeBronson]

@@crustpunkjesuschrist Finn had a great video explaining how the punk mindset keeps people back in life. He was right.

[@coolboy5245]

@@crustpunkjesuschrist how else would you measure success?

[@roxyamused]

@@coolboy5245 satisfaction. Success can just be personal gratification and personal growth. People can find success in the project moving an inch. People find success in enlightenment. Success is quite personal really.

[@AlqhemyA]

I love how one of listed occupations on his wikipedia page is "grifter"

[@danframpt0n]

I just checked. Lmao. That is so crazy!

[@Gwyn1stborn]

Wasn't he just reading Wikipedia articles at this point?

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

Yeah, especially since the covid. Before that he had genuinely interesting content but then he pandered to his new audience.

[@karin5831]

Finn McKenty, this year’s James Sommerton

[@brennanc4321]

In his video he mentions that he still gets $3,000 a month from his KZbin channel. Regardless of that stinker he dropped that was going to dwindle but for someone thats an expert in marketing he sure as hell went out the worst way possible. "After the birth of my son my priorities have been shifted" or something to that tune.

[@theSkinnyStream]

glad, I hated that guy.

[@Laxton_Himself]

He did some slop tier list video once and I comment to call it out and he simply replied with ‘that’s the point’. That’s when I knew

[@hybridbmx3534]

Finn Mckenty the Green Day of Punk music vlogging

[@Shpongle-Bob]

Green Day is more punk than him.I grew up listening to European HC-punk (Exploited, Kaaos, Rattus and others) and it's very different to US-Hardcore

[@TheJbhmetal]

​@Shpongle-Bob cmon don't trash Green Day. They never became sellouts, and they expressed their views even though I don't agree with them. They made their music with passion and made pop punk a thing.

[@rejectscorner9939]

@@TheJbhmetalGreen Day are huge sellouts lmao what do you mean?

[@TheJbhmetal]

@rejectscorner9939 they didn't give up their integrity to get fortune and fame. If you're not a fan, then that's fine. Green Day are not sellouts.

[@SwimInk]

Finn always came off like an aged Oly student and made his exit as such.

[@That1MetalheadDude]

Honestly, I'm a little surprised people are still surprised by this? He's been pretty open about this stuff on other people's podcasts before, and has also admitted he wants to live a full-on square/normie life. I stopped watching him ages ago and still knew this lol

[@danframpt0n]

Its not a surprise. He's just leaning on it instead of addressing what's really going on. Now, it's been made official. That's the news cycle for ya

[@That1MetalheadDude]

@danframpt0n Fair, but there are still a ton of people from his audience who seem totally blindsided by this revelation, which was more what I find perplexing Dude's channel was on autopilot for years before this

[@CaH6633]

I'm not surprised. I'm offended by how fucking proud of it he is.

[@That1MetalheadDude]

@CaH6633 Totally understandable, really. Personally, that was one of the things that soured me on him some time ago. There was this clear as day, open resentment of his audience, even bleeding through on his "more fun" second channel. The age situation with his wife only made it easier for me to leave. But I guess since he no longer has to worry about pretending to care about his audience, he has the freedom to show his true colors. Hope he has fun being someone's corporate stooge somewhere, I guess. That's his REEEEAL passion, after all.

[@catalysts94]

he was pretty open about it on his channel also, it's people who hated him without even watching that are surprised.

[@MarkRubio-db1bu]

long time '"rival"and im seeing your videos for the first time cause its about him.

[@danframpt0n]

Taking an admitted grifters side is wild. Lmao.

[@DaveBudness]

I liked his stuff, I didn't know he stopped.

[@Wiggimus]

I had exactly one interaction with Finn. It was on one of his videos where all he did was complain about Babymetal. He seemed so mad that they're successful. In the comments, I pointed out how the guitars in Babymetal songs are incredible. He said that he didn't care, which struck me as so odd at the time lol

[@StarsDie88]

The dude had wildly conflicting views. He believed musicians should do whatever they can to make as much money as possible -- so why in the actual fuck would he take issue with Babymetal? This is how you know the guy was grifting. He was just saying whatever to get clicks.