Top 10 WORST Water Types in Gen 1 (Red, Blue, and Yellow)

[@thedexlogsdexlogs]

Forgot to explain this one. Basically I was planning on starting a new channel for pokemon game videos, but my team convinced me to just upload them on this channel since its still pokemon. So we will have card game and game game videos from now on. Though I will be going through the gens in sequence. So the videos will only be about gen 1 until we go through all the ideas we have on our list. Then we'll take what we learned and start gen 2 videos, and so on and so on.

[@jshtng78]

Any plans to introduce more of your team members from any of your channels to your audience? I've seen a ton of interest from commenters in getting to know them better. Or maybe just something about them at all.

[@mehomuiki3886]

Good call, no need for another channel

[@timsuu8991]

It's a breathe of fresh air for sure. Just don't embrace your inner genwunner too much logs. I've been to your secret streams. I've seen how cringe the genwunners are there.

[@thedexlogsdexlogs]

@@jshtng78 The team I have working on the pokemon channel is pretty big lol. We have about 30 people on the team total across all the channels, and some of the fill different roles as needed. Like for example, the one who did the script and editing for this video also works on the magic channel. And the editor on the next one is an editor who normally works on my wow videos, and the script writer for that video is someone who was hired on specifically for pokemon video game videos. Plus we have a different person who sets up the files to be edited for the editor. A different person from all of them does the thumbnail, a different person makes sure its ready to be uploaded and has a time stamps, and finally I do the audio.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@thedexlogsdexlogs Wow, I had no idea there were so many of you! 😮 I thought it was just you and a single editor.

[@duelistdecoolest1893]

Bit disingenuous to say, "Golduck has Amnesia. Golduck is easy to acquire." Amnesia Golduck is extremely difficult to acquire in gen 1. Only obtainable as a reward from Pokemon Stadium for entering every Pokemon into the Hall of Fame

[@brewslidepark]

Man i wish I could transfer out stadiums rewards from the switch port lol. I've beaten both stadium 1-2 r2

[@croc-plunderenthusiast1396]

🤓🤓🤓

[@Deaga]

I'm also quite curious about what Flying type moves from Charizard and Moltres Kabutops is going to be tanking. Pretty low effort video overall unfortunately

[@croc-plunderenthusiast1396]

@Deaga 🤓🤓🤓

[@duelistdecoolest1893]

@croc-plunderenthusiast1396 You're watching a Pokemon Top 10 video on youtube, don't pretend you're less of a nerd than I am.

[@UltimatePhantasm]

Forgot the part where you can only obtain a Golduck with amnesia if you beat Pokemon Stadium entirely...

[@croc-plunderenthusiast1396]

@@UltimatePhantasm 🤓🤓🤓

[@UltimatePhantasm]

@@croc-plunderenthusiast1396 Ye

[@juliansantana1877]

Amnesia was mainly talked about in a competitive setting

[@otbaht]

seaking is so forgotten in gen 1 that people forget that it had waterfall as its own one of a kind move before it was an hm.

[@ColonelCorson]

It's still wild to think that the only Rock Type moves in Gen 1 were Rock Throw and Rock Slide, and Rock Throw only had 65% accuracy.

[@TehBuhb]

There was only 1 dragon type move, and it did set damage. Why even bother making the type at that point lol

[@robertlupa8273]

Probably because Rock types were primarily made with being AI-controlled opponents in mind. Gen 1 was a different time and not necessarily in a good way.

[@fawfulmark2]

Or that Karate Chop was a *Normal* Type Attack in Gen 1, meaning the best and highest damaging Fighting Type move in that gen was....Submission. Hard Times.

[@bewilderedbrit8928]

Why does EVERYTHING have to be "wild"? Ffs expand your vocabulary.

[@ColonelCorson]

@@bewilderedbrit8928 You can't spell your name without "wild" tho.

[@russellw6872]

Almost had all of the information there that Slash crits, and also ignores Swords Dance. But it does need to be directly stated that in generation 1 specifically, critical hits ignores your attack boosts, makingbthe combo bad. Modern critical hits that people are used to only ignore your stat drops.

[@DatMageDoe]

If you're going to do a whole series on the RPGs starting with RBY, I'd advise having a video about all the abnormalities and bugs which come to define competitive Gen 1. Ranging from the minor like the 1/256 glitch (where even 100% accurate attacks can rarely miss due to a programming error), to more egregious ones like Speed-based critical hit rate, Special Attack and Defense being one stat, or Psychic effectively having no weaknesses. Even the weird ones like why Dragonite has no STAB, or why Dig and Fly are banned. Gen 1 is a VERY different beast compared to later generations, and would help catch people up to why Gen 1 is so... Gen 1.

[@robertlupa8273]

Or Body Slam not being able to paralyse Normal types, something that wasn't found out until years after even competitive Gen 1 started.

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Speed crit and Special stat are both just poor design choices and not abnormalities or bugs as you say.

[@DatMageDoe]

@@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s They're abnormalities because only Gen 1 has these traits.

[@batrachomyomachy7907]

I would reach out to some Gen 1 competitive players before making more videos on RBY! There’s a lot of storied history and I noticed a lot of off or just plain wrong data here.

[@Sonicfoxtrot]

lol

[@CarbonMalite]

Tbf in my mind Golduck was easy enough to get because of the Gen 3 games, but Gens 1+2 seemed to love making it impossible to obtain certain Pokemon

[@RobertLydonReviews]

Always enjoy a duel/dex logs video! Please make more videos based on the games if you can!

[@LordAlbrecht]

These takes were kinda ass but I enjoyed the vid and would enjoy more content like this

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Rise of the neckbeards showing up in the comments like the Rohirrim arriving at minas tirith

[@Walkerman379]

"Amnesia does nothing to improve it's defense or speed." Sir, may I introduce you to the badge boost glitch? (Not applicable to competitive)

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

Came here to find this comment.

[@thomasfarmer8562]

Due to the badge boost glitch, golducks amnesia raises its speed as well. Thank you JRose

[@glen5077]

There are no bad gen 1 water pokemon,only bad gen 1 water pokemon trainers ➿️

[@athenique]

this is the type of content I crave, ty

[@raptorwithwings]

I think Seaking and Dewgong are the worst of these simply because if they were gonna make these Pokémon suck, they might as well have made their designs more interesting than just animals with a horn.

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Gen 1 was basically all just animals though. You can make any mons appearance reductive the way you did with these two 😂

[@A_quip]

Kingler's crabhammer isn't weak wtf are you on about. 50% to moltres is stronger than a starmie surf. Body slam and hyper beam are literally all you need, only gengar takes on kingler's attacks well at all.

[@juliansantana1877]

Kingler in the context of gen 1 has a weak crabhammer because of its 50 special, both body slam and hyperbeam are physical in gen 1 so that's why they do damage, and the starmie thing is incorrect, crab hammer and surf have relative power, starmie would do more damage because it has double the special

[@111ram1]

@@juliansantana1877 Crabhammer is basically a guaranteed crit though. 255/256 times it will be doing double damage. It makes up for the weak special stat.

[@WangerZ3291]

​@111ram1 it's still dog doo doo at the end of the day, guaranteed critical. Wow, poor special stat

[@juliansantana1877]

@@111ram1 ah true, an oversight on my part

[@7StarKarma]

It’s weak due to the fact it’s only available on Kingler, whose special stat is lower than most other Pokemon in the game. It may as well be water gun with how bad Kingler is.

[@melvinshine9841]

It's funny how Gyarados was kind of mediocre for the first three generations, but then the Physical/Special split happened in Gen 4, and Gyarados became a monster. While a lot of these Pokemon still aren't great, Dewgong is probably the only one that has stayed utterly awful. Everybody else got something of note, but Dewgong has always been a Pokemon that has several dozens others do what it poorly attempts to do ten times better.

[@SuperWiggler]

@melvinshine9841 Gyarados has 100 special in Gen 1, that is not in any way "mediocre".

[@holowisewolf1688]

Dewgong's biggest problem in Gen 1 is when it comes. You could make an argument that stab ice beam/blizzard makes it better than Blastoise, but it just comes so late, and you get a free Lapras before that. Gyarados is also just cracked I'm Gen 1. It destroys every gym and elite 4 except for Surge, amd the 4x electric weakness is laughable when there are only, what, 3? 4? Electric attacks you'll ever see after evolving it.

[@robertlupa8273]

In Gen 1, Gyarados was a powerful mixed attacker thanks to the combined Special stat, though it didn't have any physical STAB. Still, with how broken Hyper Beam was and how strong Body Slam was, it didn't really need any. In Gen 3, Gyarados was mostly held back in-game by its horrible movepool. The moment it gets Dragon Dance + Earthquake (or any reliable move, like Strength), it dominates. Having Intimidate definitely helps. By comparison, Gen 2 Gyarados has neither high Special nor Dragon Dance/Intimidate. It's definitely the lowest point for the angry serpent. Still, it's a difference between "S tier" and "A tier", so it's still good.

[@PHSDM104]

The physical/special literally changed the game.

[@williambrinkmeier1772]

Discount Lapras

[@AkatsukiNoMe]

If you rly start talking with Pokémon main games, you'll b my favorite KZbin channel!

[@kalzium8857]

Aside from golking and seadra, none of the water pokemon are truly bad.

[@dannylopez5976]

Seaking is based.

[@MazterP28]

@@dannylopez5976seaking has agility and horn drill

[@robertlupa8273]

@@MazterP28 and Waterfall :P

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

​@robertlupa8273 Slaughterfall, you mean.

[@DilanQuill]

One other thing about Omastar and kabutops in gen 1 is there were only TWO rock type moves (rock throw & rock slide) so even using one to have rock stab is not really useful.

[@dannylopez5976]

Also they can't even learn Rock slide lol.

[@arrozzblanco]

Didn't think you'd ever get into the pokemon games considering FSG has the market locked

[@JasonBoos2005]

we are close to a blunder x duel logs video on sigles

[@the_mooch6131]

Damn we got agents posted everywhere

[@terraSpark902]

Second place Smogon Nintendo Cup 97 tournament winner here. Most of the video I thought was fair enough 👍 given that you seem to be making your decisions based on single playsr and multi-player performance amongst different tiers. But there are a few things I disagree with particularly in Nintendo Cup context, and I'd like to mention them since you might find them interesting. Starting with your number 1 choice. Seaking, as funny as it is, is much much better than 50% of this list in NC because it's allowed to use Agility plus Horndrill, and Blizzard has a 30% chance to freeze, so it can basically sweep any team if it rolls favorably which makes it terrifying to play against.

[@terraSpark902]

Another pokemon thats a lot stronger in NC is Poliwrath. You called it a worse Golduck and I ultimately think nobody would agree with that in any gen 1 format, Sleep is more than enough to make it stronger, Submission gives it a niche in OU.. But anyway, in NC Poliwrath is straight up a B tier pokemon overall because it's a pretty good stall breaker capable of 2HKOing Jynx, Lapras, Exeggutor, lv55 Tauros, and Jolteon all at once while having a sleep move on top of it, and excellent bulk to use Doubleteam and Rest effectively. You do have to pick and choose what moves you're using on the set carefully, it can't do everything at once. Side note, 70 special is not bad at all in gen 1, Tauros has 70 special and it's completely fine for any pokemon clicking Blizzard.

[@terraSpark902]

I was surprised to see Kingler here tbh, since it has a strong OU niche (although it's fallen off over time) but unfortunately I actually agree it should be high on this list because in NC it's probably the worst it ever has been, and can't really accomplish any niche at all unfortunately.. Something that may be shocking however is the fact that Cloyster is barely better than Dewgong in NC (it's a lot better but there isn't really much in-between them on a viability ranking) and Cloyster itself is almost never used because Lapras and Articuno are actually objectively in the top 3 to 5 best pokemon in the game.

[@terraSpark902]

The final thing I'll mention is in purely Nintendo Cup 97 context, Vaporeon would be right there near the top (worst) with it's mono water type brothers. It's about on the same level as Omastar, and Omastar is awful in NC, neither of them have any true niche of their own, but Omastar gets Horndrill and at least a Hyperbeam resistance, while Vaporeon gets Haze. Pick whichever you think is better, but trust me, both of them aren't going to accomplish much of anything.

[@antant9523]

did you create those move description yourself? or is it from elsewhere?

[@sebarsht12]

LET'S GO! COUNTDOWNS ON THE VIDEO GAMES AND I'M FOR IT. I do agree with your team for having it on this channel.

[@voychoi9923]

You make great videos for sleeping/eating

[@kjbi430]

Very weird to do a top 10 when there isn't even 20 water type in total. Also Gyarados is crazy in playthrough.

[@sebarsht12]

@@kjbi430 yeah, I was thinking how a Top 10 Water type and realised there would be overlaps

[@BackPalSA]

This is gonna be a tough niche to get into. False Swipe Gaming has this pretty heavily locked down.

[@boxkid759]

Not a high bar honestly.

[@russellw6872]

They're not doing "top 10 in X generation", so they have that. But even disregarding FSG, this is still a pretty popular video type.

[@andreaseverin1346]

Hyper specific competitive Pokemon rankings isn't really well-filled, a bunch of people in the niche lack the knowledge. If Logs sources the scripts from a good player, he can fill this tbh

[@misirtere9836]

@@andreaseverin1346 >If Logs sources the scripts from a good player That's the problem thus far unfortunately

[@andreaseverin1346]

@@misirtere9836 yeah I've seen some major forgotten cards especially on this channel. At least for this one, the list pretty much mirrors the RBY viability rankings and the placements of these Pokemon in the tier system so it's 100% accurate from a purely competitive Pokemon standpoint

[@BLUEBOYISLEDGE]

Making this list hybridise how good a mon is for a playthrough and for competitive is a really weird choice. There's different criteria that would make Pokemon good for competitive when compared to a playthrough. Availability and TM reliance are huge factors that have 0 impact on competitive yet can make or break a Pokémon for a run.

[@sebarsht12]

Video idea: Top 10 buffed moves. E.g Rapid Spin -> buffed to 50 power and raises speed by one stage.

[@abel7153]

I haven`t watched the video but I expect Seaking to be there because I have played the game for decades but I`ve never caught a golden before EVER!

[@KHfan0011]

The main place people play Pokemon competitively is VGC. Smogon is not official and it is not recognized by Pokemon Co.

[@edyoung2621]

No magikarp?

[@111ram1]

Eh... some of the competitive stuff on here is a bit iffy. 10) No one really uses Electrode or Nidoking, but Thunderbolts and Rock Slides do hurt it. The rock weakness is why it's not so good a ground type check since Rhydon can hit you with rock STAB anyways. 9) Moltres and Dragonite? I mean yeah, it counters them (ignoring wrap hax) but lots of the tier has good match ups against those two. Omastar is more for checking 2 of the big 3, Tauros and Snorlax, as long as they don't have Earthquake or are Amnesia Blizzard Snorlax. Also Tentacruel? In a tier dominated by strong Earthquakes and Psychics? Plus the water weakness isn't realy as bad when you gain a resistance to normal and ice, some of the best offensive types in RBY. 8) Dewgong is still 2HKOd from those attacks. Probably more nitpicking on my end, but yeah, others do its job much better as you said. 7) Not really anything off I know from the competitive scene. In game, I think you undersell it though. 6) Everything alright here. 5) Kabutops is not meant to check flying/fire types. It is a swords dancer that beats Rhydon with Surf. It still would want a rock type move, but part of that is to hit Gengar which walls you otherwise. It's not really good though as it's slower than or unable to OHKO a lot of pokemon which threaten it back with Thunderbolt. Also Rock/Water is good because of how it checks Normal and Ice types. Fire isn't that good in RBY because of all the water types and all but one of its moves can thaw freeze which otherwise stays the entirety of the match, plus Burn on some pokemon is the best status you can get because it means you can't be slowed with Paralysis or rendered useless with Sleep or Freeze. 4) Body Slam and Hyper Beam are good moves in RBY, especially with an attack stat as high as Kingler's, and Crabhammer basically always crits, so the low Special isn't nearly as bad as you would think. It's just really badly hurt by paralysis, faster special attackers, and anything that can survive a +2 Hyper Beam from it. 3) Mostly alright, though it's more defined by Amnesia over Hypnosis with some OU sets even cutting out Hypnosis altogether. 2-1) Yeah, don't know much on these, but they really don't have much.

[@croc-plunderenthusiast1396]

@@111ram1 🤓🤓🤓

[@MadMalMan]

- Most things that can survive the Hyper Beam don't survive the Crabhammer it's a well designed mon

[@echidnaralsei1473]

i love seaking

[@terraSpark902]

It's good in Nintendo Cup 97

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Said no one ever😂

[@robertlupa8273]

"Number 10: Gyarados" Ah yes the 100 Attack, 100 Special monster that you can get relatively easily and doesn't care that it doesn't have physical stab. Totally the 10th worst water type. Though I suppose there's only so many Pokemon to choose from...

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Trust me, crying rivers about it makes no difference.

[@bmeht]

​@@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s you are really quite remarkably gay

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

​@bmeht I appreciate the exuberant homosexuality in your choice of words.

[@Dragunity69]

Awesome. You should do a collab with FalseSwipeGaming 🎉

[@spinceiling7442]

Not sure how I feel about main series videos tbh. I'm way more knowledgeable about the main series and there are many channels that revolve around them as opposed to the tcg, so I don't think I'll find these very engaging

[@feren9984]

Duel Logs is about to grt his by POKEMON NERDS. POKEMON NERDS.

[@dannylopez5976]

2:38 That is only true because every Grass type move in Gen 1 is ass, besides razor leaf.

[@BFND357]

More Dexlogs please!

[@MazterP28]

Dewgong gets pay day to get more money

[@Surg-265]

weird to see you covering the Pokémon video games.

[@semicharmedlife311]

5:01 *Compounded

[@medanon7221]

did you run out of cards to game

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

Bunch of frail ego neckbeards in here bawling about semantics of Golduck hahaha

[@ViviDaEevee]

I thought this was for the TCG so color me surprised

[@danieljohan7434]

are you hirumaredx?? love your wow vids

[@Rabbitlord108]

Seriously weird to see a video talking the actual Pokémon games instead of the TCG. Now for the entries. 10. And to be fair its Special Attack also got nerfed in Gen 3 if we're taking the remakes into account. 9. Yeah it's not worth it because of the point you get it at. 8. I would rather use Lapras because it's pretty tanky. 7. I hope you've hot a flame shield ready. Because I KNOW you're going to get a lot of hate because of this entry. 6. I wonder if it wouldn't be on the list if it was also a Psychic Type. 5. Even in the Gen 3 remakes it only learns AncientPower via level up at LEVEL 65! And the only other Rock attack it can learn is Rock Tomb via TM. 4. What were they thinking when they gave this thing an abysmal special attack. Also doesn't help that it's SO FREAKING SLOW! 3. Yeah if I want a Fighting Type in Gen 1 I'm going use Primeape since I can catch a Mankey on Route 3 in Yellow and Gen 3 remakes. 2. And then they gave it an item trade evolution and Gen 2. OOF! 1. Well. Anyone up for some FISH?

[@richardofarms]

Yellow Gameboy but not the yellow Pikachu Gameboy smh....

[@meta4knight]

False swipe better look out

[@BLUEBOYISLEDGE]

FSG only covers competitive and this is a weird hybrid of a playthrough and comp

[@MadMalMan]

Enjoyable video but I think you made it too difficult for yourself by making 10 worst as it did end up with a few absolutely ass takes. Maybe a 5 worst and 5 best would have been better. But I agree with your top 3 and on Seadra you reminded me it only learns Water and Ice moves which is shocking! Poliwraths biggest issue in gen 1 is that it's worse than it's Pre-evolution.

[@FlyinLionQuinn]

This list is all wrong. Slowbro is the worst Gen 1 Pokemon.

[@BillyBob-ti2fz]

Why so keep comparing yourself to other people all the time? You seem really insecure not gonna lie lol

[@boxkid759]

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