#1004

[@Shubhamsv28]

I recently discovered Lawrence Anton. He's amazing.

[@efilism]

You really think that? He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[@Darniros]

@@efilism Brother tell me how he hurt you xD

[@efilism]

@@Darniros Hurt me?

[@Darniros]

@@efilism what makes him a wolf in sheepsclothing?

[@efilism]

@@Darniros Documentedin mycontent

[@LawrenceAnton]

Thanks so much for having me on Ricardo, I really enjoyed it! 🎉

[@TheDissenterRL]

Thanks for the great talk!

[@heartborne]

It was great! Good job, you two! @TheDissenterRL

[@LouisGedo]

Hi 👋

[@LouisGedo]

10:52 That's Zzzzzzzzzzzactly the version of Antinatalism I ideologically aligned with 👍

[@BovineBluestocking]

Great episode! I really enjoyed your discussion with Lawrence and now I look forward to your appearance on the Exploring Antinatalism Podcast 🎉

[@asya.and.barsik]

Yay so awesome to see Lawrence on your show! One of our favourite episodes so far! 😸😸

[@kartik9892]

The one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of children is not to bring them into this world of diseases, crimes, wars, accidents, natural disasters, old age, death, and all the unknown evils the future holds. ☮ At the same time, it's not a bad for them to not come into existence as those who don't exist can't suffer their own non-existence. Any of the "goods" this world has to offer, the non-existent don't need them to begin with. ✨

[@LouisGedo]

Tru dat

[@gods-best-friend-gbf]

Yes, Indeed. It's all connected to Law of Karma. As the world goes from less population to more population, there's more creative output as well as more garbage too. If we could delete all the garbage and ensure human potential is utilized as Agnostic Seeker rather than as a materialist, then maybe we will have a reason to exist. It is near impossible for all 8.4 Billion humans to stop multiplying and start focusing on current problems at hand. If all people did that, then world would be a fantastic place. Imagine a world where all humans focused on Altruism. Everyone ensured everyone else were happy. And then they can get creative ( not procreative ). Creating a child needs extreme level of conscious effort. Procreation needs no effort.

[@LouisGedo]

Antinatalism 4 da Win! 🏆

[@infiniteworfare5089]

antinatalism is important. Animals and plants have been forced to suffer in domestication where they are genetically altered, lack natural selection, and have no reproductive rights. science technology is getting more advanced and humans are changing nature into a very unnatural state without knowing what causes consciousness and suffering to exist.

[@kartik9892]

🖤

[@naturalisted1714]

You should have Thomas W. Clark on to discuss Generic Subjective Continuity. He coined the term in his essay "Death, Nothingness and Subjectivity". Sam Harris did a podcast episode on it.

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

😂

[@naturalisted1714]

We all already didn't exist. Yet not existing didn't stop a life from being imposed. Therefore, not existing is incapable of stopping a life from being imposed. Therefore, not existing cannot be better. If one life doesn't do the imposition, then some other life would have. If it isn't one life it's another. Even if there was only one life in the entire universe, that's the life being imposed. And after that life dies, there will be no experience of peace. So talking about the end of the universe is a moot point, also because antinatalism will not be responsible for the end of the universe.

[@Darniros]

I love Generic Subjective Continuity, it's fascinating and it's definitely relevant in the whole anti-natalism debate. What I find so terrifying about GSC, is that is suggests that there is no escape from consciousness. In that sense I get what you mean when you say that "non-existence cannot be better" taking these things into consideration. I do think that if you have a child, you still impose existence unto someone, -even if they were to come into existence regardless-. I'd not want to participate in that + in the end we never truely know what is true. Rather play it safe and not impose life on someone. I would consider myself quite a vehement anti-natalist, unfortunately people get quite easily triggered when their views get challenged.

[@naturalisted1714]

@@Darniros Nice :) Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

[@kartik9892]

"Therefore, non-existence cannot be considered better." > It could be viewed that never being born is preferable, much like how it might be considered more compassionate for a child, who is known to have a severe genetic disorder, to not be brought into the world, as they would endure suffering and an early death. In the context of AN, the ideal scenario would be if all beings ceased reproduction indefinitely, leading to an absence imposition forever.

[@Darniros]

@@kartik9892 very good point!

[@naturalisted1714]

@@kartik9892 Without an experience _of_ that absence, it's pointless to bring it up. I know you'll say you're not imagining a peaceful black void, but for you to desire such an outcome implies that you're imagining something like a peaceful black void state. If not, then what's there to prefer?

[@efilism]

When will Lawrence explain why he gives a fellow antinatalist activist, who he promotes and teams up with, a free pass for posting advocacy in favor of CSAM? His "ethics" and "activism" have zero value until he squares that away.

[@keithhunt5328]

Who in particular are you talking about?

[@efilism]

@@keithhunt5328 Amanda Sukenick

[@Uchutanjyo]

I also found Amanda’s comments about skinning every living being alive in order to bring about the end of all sentient life (sorry if I’m getting that wrong) very disturbing. Pretty hard to listen to her/take her seriously after that.