The History of the Sinitic (Chinese) Languages

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The Dragon Historian

The Dragon Historian

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@TheDragonHistorian
@TheDragonHistorian 4 жыл бұрын
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@papazataklaattiranimam
@papazataklaattiranimam 4 жыл бұрын
@Yaqub The Thief no kid
@Freedom-of-Thought
@Freedom-of-Thought 3 жыл бұрын
The truth of [dragon] in ancient Chinese: only if you are the emperor or the chosen prince, you can call yourself [dragon], or you can be killed or under punishment because of insulting / challenging the royals. Normal people are no such relative to the dragon, only the Emperor is dragon, others are just satellites of dragon / slave of dragon.
@신중용
@신중용 2 жыл бұрын
중국어파를 소개하는데 왜 일본풍 의류 브랜드의 후원을 받나요?
@9wyshsiwj
@9wyshsiwj Ай бұрын
​@@신중용자본주의의 맛
@CostasMelas
@CostasMelas 4 жыл бұрын
Great work in a very difficult object. The tree-diagram in the info is very nice and useful
@TheDragonHistorian
@TheDragonHistorian 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Your language videos actually inspired me to make my own series.
@mahatmaniggandhi2898
@mahatmaniggandhi2898 3 жыл бұрын
greatest crossover of all time
@웹툰을좋아하는사람
@웹툰을좋아하는사람 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDragonHistorian님 중국어파의 역사 영상은 있는데 왜 중국티베트어족의 역사와 티베트버마어파의 역사에 대한 영상은 없나요?
@asocos
@asocos Жыл бұрын
You should add the tree diagram to your own language videos
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite a tragedy for language nerds that most Sinitic languages and dialects will die before the end of this century with the dominant promotion of Beijing Mandarin and American English
@FOLIPE
@FOLIPE 4 жыл бұрын
It's unlikely they'll be replaced by english.
@화이팅-t2q
@화이팅-t2q 4 жыл бұрын
what? the extinction of Chinese languages has nothing to do with English.
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
@@화이팅-t2qThe upper class in China now widely speak English since a very early age. If you communicate with 2 languages, your brain has no room to think in the 3rd. This widely happened in China now. Sinitic languages other than standard Mandarin have very few media. Even there are someone operating the media, they can't not provide high quality stuff to attract audience. The community is shrinking. And new generation won't speak their grandparents languages. So they are doomed to die!
@화이팅-t2q
@화이팅-t2q 4 жыл бұрын
@@李白-f5u but most Chinese people can't speak English at all. only few educated people learn it. how many people do you think will speak English on street?
@dogedoge4062
@dogedoge4062 4 жыл бұрын
​@@李白-f5u the upper class in China DON'T widely speak english.
@GaryHField
@GaryHField 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you could feature the history of Austronesian and Austroasiatic languages too. Thank you so much.
@yunyitsui6442
@yunyitsui6442 3 жыл бұрын
Greater Bai languages used to be widely spread in southwest China like Min(Hokkien) in southeast China, but Greater Bai languages is endangered today.
@TK-my7jg
@TK-my7jg 2 жыл бұрын
No,actually Burma is also Bai-languages , Bur- and Bai- all means ‘local’ or ‘native’, they have the same sino-root
@kellyma2992
@kellyma2992 Жыл бұрын
@@TK-my7jg Burmese belong to lolo-burmese branch , Bai is closer to Chinese . But there are also theory says that bai is a hybrid language between chinese and lolo-burmese .
@deacudaniel1635
@deacudaniel1635 4 жыл бұрын
Can't describe how long I was waiting for this masterpiece!❤
@zacharyyan4898
@zacharyyan4898 3 жыл бұрын
2:22 Old Chinese looks exactly like France right there
@MH-ms1dg
@MH-ms1dg 3 жыл бұрын
it actually is around the same "size" as France too
@riza-2396
@riza-2396 2 жыл бұрын
The Hexagon
@lexi55410
@lexi55410 4 жыл бұрын
Bai literally said: aight imma head out😂
@Gyarukittenz
@Gyarukittenz 3 жыл бұрын
@Anastasia Cebulska r/whoosh
@6i6itjeruk
@6i6itjeruk 3 жыл бұрын
@Anastasia Cebulska r/woosh
@yuanruichen2564
@yuanruichen2564 3 жыл бұрын
same with ba-shu
@daisybrain9423
@daisybrain9423 3 жыл бұрын
Bye Bai.
@inuken9561
@inuken9561 3 жыл бұрын
SINICISED
@화이팅-t2q
@화이팅-t2q 4 жыл бұрын
great job!! you're amongst the best mappers.
@skazka3789
@skazka3789 4 жыл бұрын
@Yaqub The Thief Not true lol
@화이팅-t2q
@화이팅-t2q 4 жыл бұрын
@Yaqub The Thief there's theory that Silla king had a Xioungnu ancestry. but even if it's true, he must've been assimilated and mixed with Koreans. and no one is pure, we're all mixed to varying extent.
@wez4171
@wez4171 3 жыл бұрын
China needs to be like India and start allowing the other Chinese languages besides Mandarin have their own official regional representation. I was shocked that there were movies/tv shows/music besides Hindi in India (like Tamil, Telugu, Marathi, etc). There is Cantonese and Hokkien in media but if it wasn't for the existence of HK and Taiwan, they wouldn't even be recognized at the national level in media.
@wolfy6223
@wolfy6223 3 жыл бұрын
Hokkien is dying 😥 I actually like hokkien and other Chinese languages than Mandarin.
@wez4171
@wez4171 3 жыл бұрын
@@wolfy6223 Yea it's so sad and the Chinese government doesn't care at all. If India can do it, why can we not? They have the same population and extremely diverse. There is no need to enforce Mandarin everywhere. There should be tv shows/news/movies/music in the regional Chinese language. It's also so hard to find material to learn besides Standard Mandarin...also kinda absurd the Manchus totally lost their language even though they ruled China once.
@wez4171
@wez4171 3 жыл бұрын
@Mongolia Suck No they do not, the lost of linguistic diversity is sad
@zedz4397
@zedz4397 3 жыл бұрын
@Ming Dynasty - Mongolia and Manchu suck Manchurians were massacred after the fall of Qing
@zedz4397
@zedz4397 3 жыл бұрын
@Ming Dynasty - Mongolia and Manchu suck Manchurians are Chinese, and China as a Republic has to respect minorities' culture, so it hard for Hanfu to get popular.
@vtron9832
@vtron9832 4 жыл бұрын
I actually have a question. How much research does it take to do all this. I tried to make a video on the Oracle bone script and resorted to looking for sources on the Wikipedia references section for that article. However, most were somewhat inaccessible or unable to be cited. I see that you only cited Wikipedia (as a whole), the Britannia (as a whole) and one book. Is Wikipedia becoming more credible, enough to cite it as a source itself? What is your research process. I’d really like to know because I like to research and make videos about these kinds of things. Thank you and awesome video!
@zitloeng8713
@zitloeng8713 4 жыл бұрын
that is why there are still something inaccurate in this video.
@sukarnos3xy
@sukarnos3xy 3 жыл бұрын
@@zitloeng8713 Wikipedia and Britannia, the main cause of minor (and rarely major) inaccurancies.
@kioselnelio4598
@kioselnelio4598 2 жыл бұрын
where did your videos go
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
Merry Mid-Autumn festival and reunion with your family!
@paulsitt
@paulsitt 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, Mandarin emerged quite earlier than I expected. I guess even people back then were too lazy to pronounce the final consonants. I wonder if there's any significant sound changes in Mandarin in it's almost thousand years of existence.
@tiongkueng
@tiongkueng 2 жыл бұрын
One significant change from the mandarin of that time till now is probably how words starting with the consonants (chinese pinyin)g and z merged into j, h and s merged into x, k and c merged into q. For example 墙ciang and 强kiang,讲giang and 奖ziang,乡hiang and 湘siang. Nowadays mandarin wouldn't distinguish these words just by hearing because they are all qíang,jǐang,xīang.
@CannibaLouiST
@CannibaLouiST 2 жыл бұрын
In short, lower class accents aside, Mandarin before 20th century was way closer to modern Cantonese, Hakka and Hokkien, cuz they still had the check tones.
@kungszigfrids1482
@kungszigfrids1482 Жыл бұрын
It is very rare for a language to remain inteligable for a 1000 years. Icelandic is one example where it is, but most modern languages are only inteligable like 500 years back.
@king_halcyon
@king_halcyon Жыл бұрын
​@@kungszigfrids1482Bengali is quite intelligible for a millennia as well, except the final schwa drop
@张哲段
@张哲段 Жыл бұрын
@@CannibaLouiST 又想以越代汉No
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 3 жыл бұрын
I recently learnt that Bai language could also be a Tibeto-burman language(Wikipedia and Britainnica think that Bai possibly belongs to Loloish or an independent branch Baic of tibeto-burman). Linguists don't have an exact conclusion on the classification of bai. Don't forget to add Bai language to history of tibeto-burman and expect for your next video of languages! :)
@riza-2396
@riza-2396 2 жыл бұрын
Well it's sino Tibetan language, and lots of compromise between researchers... At the end it's no longer about truth, but honor of researchers....
@riza-2396
@riza-2396 2 жыл бұрын
The French and USA Bai researchers insist on ''Tibeto-Burman'', the Bai researcher(not only researching about Bai, the person is Bai) said it's Sinitic because of language structure, the Russian researcher said it's related to old Han Chinese of 2 AD, and some other Bai reaserchers thinks it's Loloish(Tibeto-Burman Lolo-Borman) because of it's pronunciation, but it's still debatable because you can't just say something like ''Japanese is a Garmanic language because they pronounce like English after World War 2''...
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 2 жыл бұрын
@@riza-2396 Exactly
@khunpraewkha
@khunpraewkha 2 жыл бұрын
@@yujiang6004 I love you
@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj
@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj 2 жыл бұрын
Does Tibeto burman has a common ancestor or just a name for all non sinitic languages in the family
@enochchung6029
@enochchung6029 4 жыл бұрын
Love your vids! Keep up the great work!
@ElCidLee
@ElCidLee 4 жыл бұрын
The Mandarin is killing other Han languages now, even in Southeast Asia.
@imslimgeek
@imslimgeek 4 жыл бұрын
why are you leaving english comments?
@ElCidLee
@ElCidLee 4 жыл бұрын
@@imslimgeek To let more people know the real situation of eastern Asia's languages.
@My-nl6sg
@My-nl6sg 4 жыл бұрын
We speak Cantonese at home however my brother's pronunciation and grammar is heavily influenced by Mandarin already
@andy101903
@andy101903 4 жыл бұрын
English is killing more language than Mandarin
@My-nl6sg
@My-nl6sg 4 жыл бұрын
@@andy101903 it has already unfortunately...
@srliampham424
@srliampham424 3 жыл бұрын
Well, awsome video, let's check the DRAGONHISTORIAN time
@markus_park
@markus_park 3 жыл бұрын
Bai be like: Bai, i am headin' out south
@SinoLAX
@SinoLAX 4 жыл бұрын
People!! All you need to do to preserve your own dialect is to use it. Use it at home, use it with friends. It is tragic that languages disappear, but when things become obsolete, they simply go away. So exercise your tongue, hating won't do no good.
@Republic_of_China_No.1
@Republic_of_China_No.1 3 жыл бұрын
이 영상에서는 월어와 오어가 당나라 때 갈라져 나온 것으로 나왔는데, 두 방언이 당나라 때 중고한어에서 분화되었다는 정황이나 문헌 자료가 실제로 있나요?
@PLUTONIUM1228
@PLUTONIUM1228 3 жыл бұрын
각종 방언의 비교로 증명됩니다. 예를들어 상고한어 어두의 ng 성모 발음이 중고한어에서는 ng => n, ng, 묵음 등의 비음화 혹은 약화한 경우가 많은데 상고한어에서 갈라진 민 계열에서는 g혹은 ng계열로 변화합니다. 혹은 상고한어의 원순모음화 현상을 보존한 경우가 많다네요...
@Republic_of_China_No.1
@Republic_of_China_No.1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PLUTONIUM1228 설명하신대로라면 월어와 오어가 당나라 때 갈라져 나온 것이 설명되기 위해서는, 송대 중고한어에서는 사라진 당대 중고한어의 특징이 월어나 오어에 남아있어야 할 텐데 실제로도 그러한가요?
@PLUTONIUM1228
@PLUTONIUM1228 3 жыл бұрын
@@Republic_of_China_No.1 흠.... 저도 전문가는 아니지만 중고한어의 입성(폐음절 다시말해 밭침자음) 이 관화에서는 소실되었지만 객가어 월어 감어 에서는 남아있습니다. 예를들어서 骨 골 은 북경어로는 gu 중고한어로는 gwot 광동어로는 gwat 감어로는 gut 입니다. 오어 샹어는 제 식견 부족으로 말하기 힘들것 같습니다.
@PLUTONIUM1228
@PLUTONIUM1228 3 жыл бұрын
@@Republic_of_China_No.1 당대와 송대 언제 갈라졌는지 흠... 이것은 제가 부족해서 말하기 힘듭니다 ㅠㅜ 하지만 객가어(하카어)는 확실히 늦게 갈라져나왔습니다. 성모의 일치도가 남방방언중 가장 북방화와 유사하다고 합니다
@Anwwoo
@Anwwoo 4 жыл бұрын
Great Chinese language mapping video. Great channel!
@nayamap4402
@nayamap4402 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man ur videos are good too me too i try to do mapping
@SummerStory101
@SummerStory101 3 жыл бұрын
Overall correct in my opinion, though Hakka probably migrated much earlier than it appeared in this video.
@주박-d7s
@주박-d7s 4 жыл бұрын
따끈따꾼한 최신영상이네요 ㅋㅋㅋ
@김이박-u8t
@김이박-u8t 4 жыл бұрын
영상 감사합니당
@penki5509
@penki5509 4 жыл бұрын
4:53 I thought Ba-Shu Chinese had disappeared because of the Zhang Xianzhong(張獻忠) massacre in 1640s, but it was disappearing before that?
@TheDragonHistorian
@TheDragonHistorian 4 жыл бұрын
Hm, you're probably right about that. I think that was a mistake on my part.
@hwasiaqhan8923
@hwasiaqhan8923 4 жыл бұрын
Zhang xianzhong didn’t massacre the Han people there, the Manchus did because Zhang’s forces and the local people put up a tough fight, so Manchus massacred people there as punishment, they did the same thing in Zhejiang, Guangdong, Liaodong, Datong etc.
@hwasiaqhan8923
@hwasiaqhan8923 4 жыл бұрын
@abdsf eufa No, that’s manchu’s version of distorted history. The Manchus conducted genocide in all parts of China, most severely in Sichuan due to the locals tough resistance and heavy casualties inflicted on to the Manchus.
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDragonHistorian Not to mention that the Minjiang dialect (of Sichuanese) may be a remnant of Ba-Shu Chinese.
@hliow2899
@hliow2899 4 жыл бұрын
Ming Mandarin had already replaced most of pashu Chinese during Ming due to immigration; the massacre that happened around 張獻忠's time (whoever did it) resulted in another round of immigration but did not introduced Mandarin for the first time.
@MarcosVinicius-hg4uz
@MarcosVinicius-hg4uz 3 жыл бұрын
amazing videos
@carolinamartez4822
@carolinamartez4822 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! What are your sources?
@davidwong4821
@davidwong4821 2 жыл бұрын
Hakka Chinese from Hong Kong is a pretty cool Chinese dialect, quite similar to Cantonese but sounds slightly different. I speak it but less and less people are speaking it in Hong Kong, only the older generations speak it. 🙁
@jukit3906
@jukit3906 2 жыл бұрын
Hakka is based because it preserved a lot of old chinese sounds Exemple: "I" is pronounced "ngai" = 我 (*ngaj) in OC
@user-xu2qd2bn1g
@user-xu2qd2bn1g 2 жыл бұрын
@@jukit3906 yeah. wenzhounese which belongs to Wu Chinese says 'hungry' as ngai = 饿 .
@DaFartMaker
@DaFartMaker 2 жыл бұрын
@@jukit3906 in cantonese its Ngo
@Hkamerica273
@Hkamerica273 Жыл бұрын
@@jukit3906ngo in Cantonese is closer to ngại than mandarin wo
@accurrent
@accurrent Жыл бұрын
In what ways is Hakka from Hong Kong different from Hakka from Taiwan?
@panikik
@panikik 4 жыл бұрын
I love this channel and i hope it will make more videos
@aka-bo6ej
@aka-bo6ej 4 жыл бұрын
IMO Qiong-Lei Min should be included in the Southern Min. The migration route of Southern Min from Fujian to Hainan is clear.
@Alsayid
@Alsayid Жыл бұрын
This makes me wonder what kind of languages were being spoken in the entire rest of what is now coastal China during the time Old Chinese was restricted to a small area south of Peking. Like, who lived in the area of Shanghai? And who lived in the area of Canton? Did they look very different from the people who live there now? Fascinating to ponder.
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx Жыл бұрын
the area on the eastern coasts from yangtze to huai river and shandong peninsula had 夷 peoples known these days as dongyi, huaiyi, and nanyi. there is a chance that 夷 were the ancestors of proto-japonic but got conquered and people there gradually migrated both over the sea to southern korean peninsula and later japan, then those that stayed got assimilated and those that fled south to yangtze estuary became wu speakers, but the ancient people that lived in yangtze estuary were likely the proto-austro-tai speakers, which after being conquered, they gradually migrated southwards to the fukien coasts, the ones that stayed in yangtze estuary became wu speakers, the ones that migrated over the sea to taiwan became austronesian speakers, the ones that migrated further southwestwards were the tai-kra speakers, the ones that stayed in fujian became min speakers. the ones that lived in around canton in ancient times were probably the ancient proto-austroasiatic speakers at first, but then the ancient tai-kra peoples came which migrated further westwards later on following the rivers, which in medieval times when they hit yunnan and were near the mekong river, the tai speakers migrated southwards, the ones that stayed were groups like zhuang in guangxi and those that moved to hainan were be and hlai. inland areas of southern china where xiang, hakka, and gan now live, were likely the areas where hmong-mien and ancient proto-austroasiatic speakers lived. the ancient austroasiatics tho also lived in red river area during antiquities tho, but i think they had a bigger area they lived in southwest china too before, they later just spread through the rivers
@ekowijaya2928
@ekowijaya2928 Жыл бұрын
​@@xXxSkyViperxXxcould you please provide the estimated time ( year bce or ce) of those migrations? Thank you.
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx Жыл бұрын
​@@ekowijaya2928 many migrations in many different time periods. some still uncertain which time period exactly, but most of those occurred during BC times hence why they're mostly unrecorded. the recorded history tho for example, the southward expansion of the Han dynasty occurred around 200 BC and conquered the Minyue kingdom (334-111 BC) and Nanyue kingdom (204-111 BC) and Eastern Au (191-138 BC) and many other kingdoms and peoples of southeastern and southwestern china which most got conquered around 100 BC. the Dongyi and Huaiyi states tho got conquered earlier and there were multiple states as well. for example, 大彭 Great Peng got conquered around 1060 BC by Shang dynasty. 譚 Tan state existed from 1046 BC to 684 BC. 徐 Xu state succeeded 大彭 Great Peng but got conquered around 512 BC. 姑蔑國 Gumie got conquered around 480 BC. 莒國 Ju state got conquered at 431 BC. When those states existed, the Mumun pottery period in the Korean peninsula was also ending from 1500 BC to 300 BC. when both dongyi states finally got conquered and mumun pottery period ended in korean peninsula, mumun-style settlements appeared in northern kyushu in japan and it was the start of the Yayoi migrations into japan which is usually around 300 BC to 300 AD when japanese were just starting out as new peasants settling japan and intermarrying with older jomon pottery period people and earlier rare minatogawa man negrito people. for yangtze estuary people that were progenitor ancestors of Austro-Tai people living in yangtze estuary, see Hemudu culture (5500 BC to 3300 BC) very very old culture.
@SamZhang-o4m
@SamZhang-o4m 5 ай бұрын
Kam-Tai(百越);Austroasiatic(百濮);Mainland Japanese(东夷);Tibetan-Burman (羌)
@3xx948
@3xx948 3 жыл бұрын
Some inaccuracies, but pretty well made overall
@Alsayid
@Alsayid Жыл бұрын
Also notice how Chinese was expanding a lot at about the same time Latin was expanding greatly in Europe. An interesting parallel.
@Indo-Aryan9644
@Indo-Aryan9644 Жыл бұрын
Yes because of Roman and Han Empires
@keshavshah488
@keshavshah488 4 жыл бұрын
The list on the right takes too long to transition. Most of the time I pause the video, it's a mess. I suggest that you make it faster.
@ajk9420
@ajk9420 25 күн бұрын
Was curious about the different branches like the Sino-tibetian
@lancelott36
@lancelott36 2 жыл бұрын
I'm bodo kachari people from northeast india i also speak in sino tibetan Burmese language family ..
@ChuckleHoneybear
@ChuckleHoneybear 2 жыл бұрын
Cantonese be old af . Proud .
@clankb2o5
@clankb2o5 3 ай бұрын
The Old Chinese period is so mindblowingly long
@BloxxterT
@BloxxterT 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question, How do you make your history videos?
@middlepath4458
@middlepath4458 2 жыл бұрын
당나라가 고구려를 정령했디고 그 지역이 중국어를 쓴 것으로 나오는데 , 일시적인 군대 주둔을 가지고 중국어 지역으로 표시한 것은 문제같군요.
@레몬밤자몽
@레몬밤자몽 2 жыл бұрын
그런 부분 없는데요
@안강현-u2e
@안강현-u2e 3 жыл бұрын
티벳어, 버마어 등 제외 중국어 계열만 다루셨네요. 중국-티벳어족 종합해서 다뤄주실 수 있나요?
@mandarhyme8457
@mandarhyme8457 4 жыл бұрын
Why you only mark Hong basin the same color as whole empire while just mark Taedong and Yalu region with stripe during the Han ruling of modern northern Korean Peninsula around AD
@nn-qw7ws
@nn-qw7ws 4 жыл бұрын
I think he distinguishes Manchurian as a different language from the Sino-Tibetan languages. Mandarin is now used in Manchuria, but Manchurian was used until modern times(~19th century).
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 3 жыл бұрын
Add: Bashu chinese appeared too early. It formed after Western han dynasty. Old shu state (Sanxingdui and Jinsha civilization) in pre-Qin dynasty period should speak a Tibeto-Burman language which is probably connected with Qiangic or Loloish. Some Qiangic peoples used to live in current Chengdu plain(eastern Sichuan province). Looking forward to the history of Tibeto-burman languages :)
@ruatapachuauruatapachuau9116
@ruatapachuauruatapachuau9116 3 жыл бұрын
I am a Tibeto-Burman. 😑😑👍. And from this video I had made a conclusion now that I am the descendants of Vietnamese and Old Chinese and Nepali. As it is just like my DNA.
@shanghainesetv3992
@shanghainesetv3992 3 жыл бұрын
During Han dynasty, there is a book about different languages and dialects , where 方 means a region or country. Though it’s old Chinese but we might also be able do divide it to several different dialects or even languages. During this video I didn’t see 幽燕 Yan or 朝鮮 Korean Chinese. Maybe more research can be done. Also for many times it happens that different nationalities stay in the same region, and we can also clarify this co-existence.
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 3 жыл бұрын
@@shanghainesetv3992 Yan or Youyan(燕/幽燕) Chinese is possibly included in Old Chinese in this video. Korean Chinese? Do you mean Rangrang (락랑) language?I consider that Rangrang could be a Koreanic language, not a Chinese dialect. Majority of inhabitants in Korean Peninsula spoke Koreanic and minority spoke Japonic languages during Qin-Han period.
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 3 жыл бұрын
@@shanghainesetv3992 Additionally, Chu or Jing(楚/荊) Chinese should be independent from Old Chinese just like Bashu or Wu dialect. It was different from standard Old Chinese or Yayan (雅言) in terms of vocabulary and pronunciation, and some relevant literature works such as Li Sao (離騷,"the Lament") is significantly different from Shi Jing(詩經,"the Book of Songs")in literary style. It is impossible that they were written in the same language.
@shanghainesetv3992
@shanghainesetv3992 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the criteria should be the same regarding to the co-existence of languages. For example in the video ‘Eastern Han Chinese’ really covers all the areas on the map? The Han Chinese government only controlled the cities along the rivers south to Yangtze River. Most of people are still local nationalities speaking their own languages including Kra-Dai, Miao-Yao etc. Vietnam and Korea is a good example. The only difference is Vietnam got independence and the local national language become official language, even it absorbed 60% Sinitic vocabularies.
@zitloeng8713
@zitloeng8713 4 жыл бұрын
some inaccuracies: 1. Old Wu is not Sinitic 2. Old Chinese has many dialects, some of them might be Creoles (e.g. Chu) 3. Sinitic langs developed like "the waves reciprocate and cover multi layers of sand onto the beach", which means there were several rising tides (corresponding unified dynasties) and low tides (corresponding declines and division periods), there were less co-evolution which is implied in the video 4. Wu and Min might develop from Proto-Wu-Min, Wu were influenced many times (especially Northern Wu) while Min less; Old Xiang might be close to them (some suggest they were all from Chu language) 5. Min were more common in coastal area of Guangdong and Guangxi until at least Southern Song 6. Most Southern Chinese are developed from or influenced by Southern Mandarin 7. If Yue and Ping are considered two languages (actually the intelligibility between them can be higher than that within them), most western parts of nowaday Yue would be "Ping" before they were "Cantonized" 8. western Yue that scattered in West Guangxi were from the merchants and immigrants in 1800-1950 9. The phonology of Wenzhou dialect was developed in the past two hundred years; before that it was phonologically intelligible with Northern Wu 10. The Mandarin area that is surrounded by Wu is due to the forced migration from Henan and Anhui by the Tsing Government, after the population decline caused by Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. 11. Absence of Annamese Chinese.
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx 4 жыл бұрын
oh there is not only an absence of Annamese Chinese, there is also absence of many other overseas chinese across southeast asia in each and every country, not just singapore and malaysia.
@zitloeng8713
@zitloeng8713 4 жыл бұрын
@@xXxSkyViperxXx annamese was a branch of middle chinese..not some modern overseas chinese
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx 4 жыл бұрын
@@zitloeng8713 oh u mean like a vietnam version of how korea and japan also had a sort of minority local version of middle classical chinese?
@zitloeng8713
@zitloeng8713 4 жыл бұрын
@@xXxSkyViperxXx actually its based on a study about how vietnamese language got so many sino-vietnamese words. basically it was a language used by the educated people who used to read and to record Chinese literatures (literary reading) and even used in speaking, when the contents are somewhat formal. The Zhuang people nowadays do nearly the same (actually many Sinitic varieties have a specific literary reading system, which characterized by a phonology different from the colloquial system)
@zitloeng8713
@zitloeng8713 4 жыл бұрын
​@@xXxSkyViperxXx you may consider Norman French, which was finally politically replaced by a Germanic language with a large French lexicon derived from it
@Lunariant
@Lunariant 3 жыл бұрын
I know that you only want to show Sinitic languages, but doing so risks misleading the viewer into thinking that the white spaces on the map were uninhabited. In reality there were people living in many of those white spaces. When these areas were settled by speakers of Sinitic languages, the native peoples were often assimilated, expelled or killed, such as with the Yue people in the south. One reason why the languages there became so distinct from Old Chinese is because of contact with the languages that were already spoken there and in neighbouring areas. In linguistics this is called a substrate. Furthermore, it is thought that so-called Middle Chinese pronunciations did not belong to one dialect but were a standardised set of prescribed pronunciations. Scholars believe that these pronunciations came from a range of dialects or languages, likely chosen for their rhyme aesthetics. These standardised Middle Chinese character readings as written in the Qieyun were prescribed for officials from all over East Asia to use as a Lingua Franca. The actual pronunciations that laypeople spoke are unknown and most likely varied considerably between north and south.
@larshofler8298
@larshofler8298 3 жыл бұрын
Sinitic languages don't always follow subject-verb-object order, it can be subject-object-verb or even verb-object-subject
@zhengyunli800
@zhengyunli800 2 жыл бұрын
True, but subject-verb-object order is the only correct form in writing.
@itshry
@itshry 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Thats what I learned, such as 我吃饭了 我把饭吃了 饭我吃了 But most case is S V O
@larshofler8298
@larshofler8298 2 жыл бұрын
@@itshry Depending on which language. The most common Sinitic language is Mandarin, which is the one most people learn and know as "Chinese". In Mandarin, it is definitely SVO. I'm not familiar with other Sinitics, but I know in Wu language, SOV seems to be more common.
@suhnih4076
@suhnih4076 11 ай бұрын
"How many languages do you want" China: yes
@kungszigfrids1482
@kungszigfrids1482 Жыл бұрын
It Taiwan does not want to reunify with China it really should emphesize hokkien as their language.
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx Жыл бұрын
problem is that taiwan also has other demographics than heritage hokkien speakers. theres also a sizable heritage hakka speakers and austronesian aboriginal taiwanese speakers and a good amount of waishengren families from whichever part of china that supported the roc army that retreated to taiwan before so they treat mandarin as the lingua franca to balance it. the official languages they recognize now in taiwan ever since few years ago is all of them with defacto mainstream status in whichever part that taiwan rules over.
@jaydenboots9383
@jaydenboots9383 4 жыл бұрын
Cantonese (Standard Cantonese) Classical Chinese Fuzhounese Hakka Hong Kong Cantonese Hong Kong Chinese (Guyou Chinese) Macanese Cantonese Mandarin Chinese (Standard Chinese) Malaysian Hokkien Middle Chinese Old Cantonese Old Chinese Old Shanghainese Phillipine Hokkien Putonghua (Beijing Dialect) Shanghainese Sichuanese Chinese Singaporean Chinese Singaporean Hokkien Taiwanese Chinese Taiwanese Hakka Taiwanese Hokkien Teochew Wenzhounese
@kungszigfrids1482
@kungszigfrids1482 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the chinese was written phonetically would it still be just 1 language.
@yifu100
@yifu100 3 жыл бұрын
Wu Chinese is the most soft and comfortable Sinitic language among all of them, most Chinese agree me.
@jonathasluan2133
@jonathasluan2133 4 жыл бұрын
Caramba, o Orochi patrocinando os caras kkkkk
@ruthgoh4869
@ruthgoh4869 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but the font was hard to read
@cdur5091
@cdur5091 4 жыл бұрын
next do tibeto-burman after that start doing history in Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, East Timor, and Brunei
@captainch6182
@captainch6182 4 жыл бұрын
Christian Durr lol are you sure he can fit all of Tibeto-Birman in one video?
@cdur5091
@cdur5091 4 жыл бұрын
@@captainch6182 wdym
@captainch6182
@captainch6182 4 жыл бұрын
Christian Durr i mean it would be hard for him to fit all of tibeto-Burman in one video, because tibeto-Burman is just sino-Tibetan without the sinitic, it’s the rest of the language family. There’s no way he can fit the hundreds of languages in a video and give all of them justice
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 3 жыл бұрын
1. Old Wu and Proto-Min should be identical, as Min is derived from Old Wu. 2. Distinct varieties were likely spoken in Vietnam and in Korea, which formed the basis of the Sino-Xenic languages. 3. The date of Extinction for Ba-Shu is controversial, as it might still be alive via the Minjiang dialect.
@xXxSkyViperxXx
@xXxSkyViperxXx Жыл бұрын
might as well call Old Wu as Old Wu-Min then if theyre basically the same. the same case can be observed with Old Galician and Old Portuguese being basically the same, it might as well be Portogallego
@空窗期-i9r
@空窗期-i9r Жыл бұрын
Old Chinese language isn’t nowadays Chinese language, but all of them use same writing only.
@LaunchKaffee
@LaunchKaffee 2 жыл бұрын
It is interesting to see that even though the Manchus conquered China and thought that they were superior to Chinese culture and even blocked Chinese people to move into Manchuria, to see that even then that didn't stop the sinicization of the Manchus.
@tiongkueng
@tiongkueng 2 жыл бұрын
in the late qing dynasty chinese were allowed to move to manchuria. there were huge migrations from north-eastern china proper to manchuria at that time,which is why the majority group in nowadays manchuria is significantly han.
@LaunchKaffee
@LaunchKaffee 2 жыл бұрын
@@tiongkueng You are right. Chinese history is so fascinating, just a shame that today, china is ruled by the CCP, at least there is still a beautiful Taiwan
@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj
@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj Жыл бұрын
Because they were incompetent and were unable to defend Russia Giving the land to Han people is better than losing the land to Russians. How many indigenous faces can you see in Vladivostok
@thestrongestmanintheworld
@thestrongestmanintheworld 3 жыл бұрын
2:49민어 등장 3:48월어 등장
@shanghainesetv3992
@shanghainesetv3992 3 жыл бұрын
During Han dynasty, there is a book about different languages and dialects , where 方 means a region or country. Though it’s old Chinese but we might also be able do divide it to several different dialects or even languages. During this video I didn’t see 幽燕 Yan or 朝鮮 Korean Chinese. Maybe more research can be done. Also for many times it happens that different nationalities stay in the same region, and we can also clarify this co-existence.
@barrows34
@barrows34 4 жыл бұрын
I think the mandarin languaje in Lhasa or the chinese languages in Bangkok should be represented
@nehcooahnait7827
@nehcooahnait7827 2 жыл бұрын
As well as Dunggan in Central Asia. Wait I thought Chinese Thai don’t speak Chinese anymore…?
@b7076-y7x
@b7076-y7x 2 жыл бұрын
@@nehcooahnait7827 Teochew and Cantonese are still spoken by some.
@redhongkong
@redhongkong 2 жыл бұрын
are u talking about lhasa tibet after mongolian taking over? the "mandarin" mongolian use are only used by ruling class, didnt spread to peasants i believe? theres mixed Min,Yue,Hakka migration spreading dialets all over south east asia, but local didnt adopt the language i think. only vietnam adopted chinese system thruout the years?
@barrows34
@barrows34 2 жыл бұрын
@@redhongkong no no. After the comunist chinese colonization
@barrows34
@barrows34 2 жыл бұрын
@@redhongkong yes locals in bangkok dont adopted the cjinese languajes. But more of 40% of the popularion in Bangkok had chinese origns and speack this languajes. So there is a strong minority who must be reflected. In lhasa or urumqi, today, mandarin is more speacked than the native languajes
@VOONKHONGLEW
@VOONKHONGLEW Жыл бұрын
like the fact that malaysia and singapore are included
@hermannboyen5392
@hermannboyen5392 4 жыл бұрын
People in Jiaozhi (north Vietnam) anyway didnt speak Chinese. It was only the minorities of Chinese officials and sinicized elites.
@aidenwinter1117
@aidenwinter1117 3 жыл бұрын
0:53 *GREATER BYE*
@ruatapachuau182
@ruatapachuau182 2 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a time machine so that I could go back to the past and could guide our ancestors and let them establish a great kingdom for us young generations.
@lemon2524
@lemon2524 3 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@tonyjar333
@tonyjar333 2 жыл бұрын
a good one
@MRconfusedboy
@MRconfusedboy 3 жыл бұрын
was there a connection between ancient egypt and ancient china, and where did proto chinese originate from, or do we not know
@haruzanfuucha
@haruzanfuucha 3 жыл бұрын
Archaeological evidence suggests Inner Mongolia.
@riza-2396
@riza-2396 2 жыл бұрын
Siberia, then it went to Inner Mongolia just like most of Eastern Asian languages, and then it's where it is. Exceptions: The old tungusic language at Korea before Korean, the old Jomon and Emishi languages at Japan beofre Japanese and the American languages are directly originated from Siberia at prehistoric ages.
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
汉白同源词多不多?
@정원혁-x2v
@정원혁-x2v 4 жыл бұрын
드디어 한장어족이군요!
@segru3558
@segru3558 4 жыл бұрын
이번엔 중국어파 언어들만 다루는 것 같네요.
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
@ The Dragon Historian You might forgot the expansion of Sinitic languages in Southeast Asia!
@李白-f5u
@李白-f5u 4 жыл бұрын
Hope to see in your next version!
@물소추적-j6c
@물소추적-j6c 2 жыл бұрын
God damn Qing! Why did you do that..
@musculusmus9249
@musculusmus9249 2 жыл бұрын
Languages were depicted as within political boundaries and marked mostly by political events. Also, old Chinese was very unlikely to be unified. Almost certainly wrong, of 50% of the content.
@kungszigfrids1482
@kungszigfrids1482 Жыл бұрын
Yea but we dont know how it was devided so just accept it being showed as unified.
@RobotDiamond682
@RobotDiamond682 3 жыл бұрын
China (France) (Asia)
@jeykies3745
@jeykies3745 4 жыл бұрын
that’s a lotta languages
@inuken9561
@inuken9561 3 жыл бұрын
Why not zoom in on China? Its hard to look for details
@conho4898
@conho4898 4 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting if you've added Annamese Chinese.
@nehcooahnait7827
@nehcooahnait7827 2 жыл бұрын
Huh 🤔 never thought of that.
@hagongda123
@hagongda123 2 жыл бұрын
根本不存在
@daolang2822
@daolang2822 2 ай бұрын
Sino Tibetan - Tibeto Burman - Sal - Bodo Garo - Bodoic - Kokborok. Long live 💪💪
@Noobgrunt
@Noobgrunt 4 жыл бұрын
Next do tai - kadai language plese?
@martinkullberg6718
@martinkullberg6718 3 жыл бұрын
A friend of my speaks Wenhounese, I like it's sound.
@eden6056
@eden6056 3 жыл бұрын
Its one of the most difficult Chinese dialects
@riza-2396
@riza-2396 2 жыл бұрын
Are you missing a Z from Wenzhou?
@bhagatchingsubam
@bhagatchingsubam 3 жыл бұрын
I'm now interested in Bai
@ChagataiBorjigin
@ChagataiBorjigin 2 жыл бұрын
Khara Khitan is not Chinese. Mongolian Nomads.
@nayamap4402
@nayamap4402 3 жыл бұрын
What name of the ending music
@hiristoscience
@hiristoscience 4 жыл бұрын
혹시 영상 2차수정 해도 괜찮을까요?
@yujiang6004
@yujiang6004 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent job! But u forgot the Dungan language, a sort of Mandarin spoken by Chinese muslims in Central Asia.
@Larou_Mao
@Larou_Mao 3 жыл бұрын
闽语比起其他汉语确实挺特殊啊
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 4 жыл бұрын
And Han Chinese is the most dominant
@Weeping-Angel
@Weeping-Angel 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. All these languages are all Han Chinese languages
@Jay-uu5lu
@Jay-uu5lu 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt the yupik language also count since it was spoken in the east of russia which borders china and also it's the only language known for being spoken by the people who crossed the bearing straight that then became eskimos and then native americans
@alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696
@alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696 2 жыл бұрын
not sinitic, yupik is eskimo-aleutian.
@jkking3213
@jkking3213 2 жыл бұрын
为何有韩语字幕还没汉语字幕呢
@adrianokemos
@adrianokemos 4 жыл бұрын
Your introduction is not accurate. I speak ningbo dialect if Wu language and most of our sentences are SOV. We only use SVO in declaratory sentences with one syllable verb and 1-2 syllable object. other declaratory sentences, negative and question always SOV.
@soregix6137
@soregix6137 4 жыл бұрын
티베트버마어파도 다음에 보고싶네요
@joaquinalfajor4386
@joaquinalfajor4386 4 жыл бұрын
Touba:Came Chinese Languages: Hahaha I Stil Exist
@zedz4397
@zedz4397 3 жыл бұрын
Southerners complaining about Mandarin, meh
@សុខចន្ទរត្តន
@សុខចន្ទរត្តន 2 жыл бұрын
Wu , Yue and Bai born from austroasitic family they are not sinitic china
@hagongda123
@hagongda123 Жыл бұрын
lol, from your wishful dream
@minitetourou8744
@minitetourou8744 Жыл бұрын
lol,Bai language is Sino-Tibetan language, and ancient Wu language is Dong-Tai language.
@thelias91
@thelias91 Жыл бұрын
year 2100 : blue everywhere
@xcl9189
@xcl9189 10 ай бұрын
not accurate at all , the biggest change in language around 400AC is not shown . the color should represent the language family not how the language is called
@haruzanfuucha
@haruzanfuucha 3 жыл бұрын
RIP BA-SHU CHINESE
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 3 жыл бұрын
Ba-Shu Chinese might be still alive in Sichuan as the Minjiang dialect, as those regions remained relatively guarded from invasions. The Minjiang dialect also has a dialect island further north of it's center, possibly inicating that it once was dominant over Sichuan.
@waderjander1135
@waderjander1135 Жыл бұрын
岷江话基本上和古蜀语没什么联系了
@foxfoster1
@foxfoster1 4 жыл бұрын
Epic
@altaiccultureandlanguage6184
@altaiccultureandlanguage6184 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video 👍👍👍 What time do you video about Turkic language?
@corea359
@corea359 2 жыл бұрын
동호계 거란은 거란어가 따로 있었는데 왜 빗금칠하여 표시하셨나요
@知-k3q
@知-k3q Жыл бұрын
Don't you understand the official language? Don't Koreans know that the Han aristocrats who ruled the Korean peninsula in 2000 have been talking about the Han nationality?😅You were ruled by the Han nationality for 2000 years, but you didn't rebel. The Han nationality prohibited you from owning the Han surname and learning Chinese characters to maintain the rule of the Han aristocracy. Instead, you forged the Han surname and family history after entering the modern era.😅
@9wyshsiwj
@9wyshsiwj 2 ай бұрын
​@@知-k3q 거란 얘기하는데 뜬금없이 뭔소리하는건지?
@eduardoADSL
@eduardoADSL 4 жыл бұрын
很棒
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