How To Teach A Complete Beginner Drums In Minutes!

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Jay Fenichel

Jay Fenichel

3 жыл бұрын

Different drum teachers have all different ways of getting a new drum student over certain hurdles on drum set. This is one technique I use as a drum instructor that has never failed once in over 23 years of teaching! Give it a try if you haven't already.
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@fachawassi
@fachawassi Жыл бұрын
"Hey joe whats the time signature?" "Its like first an apple, then you go watermelon and ends on high table"
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Audiation vs theory 😉
@nikhilsatay2852
@nikhilsatay2852 Жыл бұрын
Bruh 🤣🤣
@nokia-gm8gv
@nokia-gm8gv 10 ай бұрын
fr
@LeRonWest
@LeRonWest 9 ай бұрын
​@@Thedrummersalmanac can you provide the other fruit concept video links because YOUR METHOD WORKED BUT NOW I NEED THE OTHER VIDEO LINKS THANKS AGAIN!!
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 9 ай бұрын
@@LeRonWest I do have the entire method on my app… but I haven’t put the whole thing on Social. This vid does need a part 2 though
@KupsoRyu
@KupsoRyu 2 жыл бұрын
The kick sounds like someone throwing a brick in an empty dumpster
@blake5174
@blake5174 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@JB-pg6ju
@JB-pg6ju 2 жыл бұрын
Blahahaha
@b1gwap
@b1gwap Жыл бұрын
Or hitting a garage door with a baseball bat
@sublime4984
@sublime4984 Жыл бұрын
The snares are being vibrated from the kick I hate when that happens
@yeasstt
@yeasstt Жыл бұрын
​@@sublime4984 It sounds amazing though
@m.vonhollen6673
@m.vonhollen6673 Жыл бұрын
Here’s the biggest lesson that over 40 years of teaching music and 2 languages taught me: “Everyone learns differently.”
@joeyree22
@joeyree22 6 ай бұрын
As an educator and a novice drummer, I agree!
@davidwong6575
@davidwong6575 6 ай бұрын
For real. Ive been teaching drums and guitar for 5 1/2 years now and its crazy how something full proof can work as a method for one kid then completely different for a similar aged and reading leveled other kid
@danchase3333
@danchase3333 Жыл бұрын
“the mistake most teachers make is teaching music”
@KKIcons
@KKIcons Жыл бұрын
😭Crying in student retention
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
YES... In the beginning... If you're teaching "music" ergo, notes and time signatures... Yeah... I would say that's a mistake. 🤷🏻‍♂
@greenLantern667
@greenLantern667 11 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@mayesokazembe5880
@mayesokazembe5880 10 ай бұрын
Yea spoken last…….
@andyhammond5649
@andyhammond5649 2 жыл бұрын
This confused the effing life out of me 🤣
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
How? Maybe I can help.
@andyhammond5649
@andyhammond5649 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac So I have a question. I really want to learn drums. I've tried to learn guitar but I just don't get it. I have ADHD which is probably the reason I lose interest so fast. I have a feeling I may be able to pick drums up easier. What's your thoughts on how to approach as someone who has never played drums before? Cheers mate
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
@@andyhammond5649 I have terrible adhd… so I feel ya, my friend. i had to work twice as hard as everyone else in school. I also think I had a sequencing issue. Unfortunately I’ve passed it onto my daughter. But, I really feel like drums helped me. Teaching a beginner takes patience and a solid system for them to follow. ADHD or not, the system is what’s important. Drums is all about repetition and conditioning. But you have to focus on the right things first.
@Tryant69
@Tryant69 Жыл бұрын
@@andyhammond5649 A bit late but for me and my ADHD I started playing rockband 2 or 3 with the original drumkit. Playing on easy mode with the music playing and it being a game on the screen it was really easy to keep my attention and make me wanna try again and again. After playing a bit and getting feeling for simple grooves I took on drumming lessons and I'm now 8 sessions in and bought a real drumkit and having a blast!
@ThatsEntertaining17
@ThatsEntertaining17 Жыл бұрын
Ok
@markpreston6676
@markpreston6676 Жыл бұрын
I just lost 20 years of drumming experience in about 35 seconds. I can't even play apple now.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Maybe you should try something else. Drums might be too complicated 😂
@kotukuwhakapiko467
@kotukuwhakapiko467 Жыл бұрын
😂🍎2🍊2
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@kotukuwhakapiko467 that’s it!
@El...Presidente
@El...Presidente Жыл бұрын
Ahahahaha you’re killing me, I felt the same way 😂😂😂😂😂
@thebigcheese192
@thebigcheese192 3 ай бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac choose a different teaching method when the whole comment section is confused ❌ belittle them and call them too dumb for their lifelong passion ✅
@SandroS123
@SandroS123 2 жыл бұрын
Thats just more confusing😐
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
How so? I can tell you from almost 30 years of teaching experience and showing hundreds of students this methods… it’s never failed once. 😉
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-pg6ju oh it has… hence me developing this method instead… this came about as an answer to having very mixed results with the old fashioned way depending on the student’s talent level. Again, testing it with hundreds of students over 3 decades yields data… and those results and practical experience trumps your feelings and your untested option on it. If you teach at all… this is obviously something you haven’t tried. I’d recommend it. 👍🏻
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-pg6ju I’d recommend if you were trying to teach it 😉…you don’t play vertically forever. 🙄
@JB-pg6ju
@JB-pg6ju 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac well I'd never try to teach it this way...if I was gonna count it wrong, I'd count it 1 2 3 4....why use the fruit? Pointless
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-pg6ju ...Because fruit is an easy, common, unintimidating thing that a beginner can relate to. Watch the video with my mother. Note her reaction. Notice she's laughing because of how ridiculous it sound as she's counting in fruit. Once the coordination is resolved, then we pivot to a satndard form of counting and reading especially since we've laid the groundwork of that mind/body association. But this method takes away that mindset of "I can't" or "this is complicated" and replaces it with something familiar, fun and easy. Now, if you don't see that because of "reasons" ...or simply because you feel the need to double down... that's fine. But it still doesn't change the results of almost 30 years of teaching 😉 ...again, the data doesn't lie.
@cslloyd1
@cslloyd1 Жыл бұрын
Broccoli cheese sauce, broccoli cheese sauce. Stop I’m hungry now
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
I don't know that I would use 3 syllables. lol
@MrTableturns
@MrTableturns Жыл бұрын
I’ve tried both vertical and horizontal thinking with my students and horizontal is almost always more intuitive for them. I do make them study the chart vertically too when its particularly challenging, but I disagree that it’s a bad habit to teach horizontally
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Not a bad habit just a different approach. And I have most definitely found the opposite to be true… maybe on a simple groove. But when it gets complicated, you’ve got to line things up top to bottom. layering horizontally and just trying to play everything together is infinitely harder in my opinion… but if that works for you & your students.👍🏻
@totallyoriginalgamer8398
@totallyoriginalgamer8398 Жыл бұрын
Learning a shuffle this way seems like absolute cancer or a swing. Problem is how long the notes a relative to each other.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@totallyoriginalgamer8398 I’ve never used it for a shuffle… at least not this method. By the time we talk about shuffle and swing, the student is way past fruit. Lol 😂
@MrTravisAl
@MrTravisAl 8 ай бұрын
Hey we have a similar username lol. I was like have I commented before??? Anyway. I agree with you.
@l1nk987
@l1nk987 Жыл бұрын
I do something similar! I've noticed it develops the muscle memory for my students better, I try to develop that rather than brain memory, you need to walk before you run
@jamesboard755
@jamesboard755 2 жыл бұрын
My kid is 7 and just got a pearl roadshow. And we watched your video and she loved it. Thank you🤘🤘👍
@Hank_The_Tank169
@Hank_The_Tank169 Жыл бұрын
Bro found the at anger snare 💀
@wrldsky2311
@wrldsky2311 Жыл бұрын
🗑️
@lewy_g_official
@lewy_g_official Жыл бұрын
That apple and orange thing completely throws everything off. The syllables don't match with the rhythm which can confuse people.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
And it's exactly the opposite... Having the rhythm match the syllables requires a beginner to have a strong natural sense of time. Many do not. Introducing two syllables gives them a little melody to sing as they play. It fills in some of that space that they can't yet perceive. In this example it's 1e& 2e&...If you did Apple 2 orange 2 apple apple orange 2... you get 1e& 2e& 3e&a4e&... This is unconscious to them, but it signifcantly helps them develop the time through melody. Never underestimate the power of audiation, especially for a beginner.
@nickpisarczyk
@nickpisarczyk 3 жыл бұрын
Super interesting take! I feel like this would actually work really well.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 3 жыл бұрын
23 years of teaching drums professionally.. It’s never failed once. Even on students that have absolutely zero natural ability. The real tough nuts. All you have to do is drill in that association. I play a game with them where I put in the metronome at a certain tempo and I say apple, orange, or 2 randomly to the click. They have to play the right thing on the upbeat after I say it. And I try to screw them up. A few rounds of that, then you could arrange the fruit in an order that makes sense for a drum Groove. Then they’ll just play it.
@octavioaguayo5366
@octavioaguayo5366 Жыл бұрын
I used that but with boots and cats to teach my 10yo brother. It worked
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏🏻
@catalinamontesss
@catalinamontesss Жыл бұрын
this helped me finally learn how to play a beat😭tysm
@lonespirit.7744
@lonespirit.7744 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this vid it really helps me a lot
@gkawaiikitsuneowo3324
@gkawaiikitsuneowo3324 21 күн бұрын
Thanks. Im a complete beginner who is an anime artist only knowing a few things about music. This makes more sense to me than other tutorials i tried to follow.
@envueltoenplastico
@envueltoenplastico 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! Cool, reminds me of how the feel of compound time signatures in Irish trad music is often taught here; e.g: "apples and oranges, apples and oranges".
@doomslayer9868
@doomslayer9868 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to learn a joey jordison fill using this method ;)
@El...Presidente
@El...Presidente Жыл бұрын
Ap22222Oran22222222222. Wait for the scream then 22222222222222
@braxtonadkins1752
@braxtonadkins1752 Жыл бұрын
Want to learn the drums, tried this and it really worked
@nazzie_cisca
@nazzie_cisca Жыл бұрын
Is true you are right so I'm happy for it
@bearclawshooster2173
@bearclawshooster2173 Жыл бұрын
This man is a National treasure. So gracious, with a patient understanding for the gift of teaching drums. Thank you , man.
@buttturkeyclips4891
@buttturkeyclips4891 Жыл бұрын
WHOA that's how I taught myself! I always try to tell people this and they're like wtf are you talking about. Basically describe it as learning chunks or phrases of a beat then putting them together. This is a much more "scientific" way of teaching it. Genius.
@benrosn8154
@benrosn8154 2 жыл бұрын
This is a badass video, saved my life, keep it going my man👍👍
@squit9752
@squit9752 Жыл бұрын
Thats such a cool way to do it lol
@madeline._moore
@madeline._moore Жыл бұрын
this makes so much sense thank you
@littlehonu
@littlehonu Жыл бұрын
This actually was worse for me. But everyone’s different!
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Is it worse for you?… or did you already know how to play the other way? 😉 …unless you were taught both ways at the same time 🤷🏻
@littlehonu
@littlehonu Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac I’m only just starting out and haven’t had any formal training. So maybe it’s just some instinct that my brain prefers the other way.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@littlehonu it also depends very much on if you already learned it the other way… then, by comparison it will seem easier cause you already know it… and it will also make a difference as you start to get more complicated, mixing up the kicks against that backbeat. Layering is a lot harder in that case, but certainly not impossible.
@littlehonu
@littlehonu Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac makes sense!!
@frostbitefade424
@frostbitefade424 10 ай бұрын
​@Thedrummersalmanac dont think your way is the only way
@joeliopolio1
@joeliopolio1 Жыл бұрын
Been teaching drums for years and non of my students ever had a problem
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Either you’re just a great teacher or you just had very talented students. 🤷🏻
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Guess you’re lucky to not have any real problem students… that couldn’t find it.🤷🏻 I’ve been teaching almost 30years… and encountered many tough nuts in that time… but this solution solved it for every one of them. 😉
@connormcilvaine820
@connormcilvaine820 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip! I will make sure to use it for people I try to teach!
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Try it… never fails. I also have a few videos actually working on it with a beginners: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs
@thahyst
@thahyst Жыл бұрын
I've been drumming for 20 years, and I love the way you put this man! Keep coming with it 🙌
@kathleenalvarez3560
@kathleenalvarez3560 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing! You were able to teach my son how to play so quick! You’re awesome!
@ProblematicBeach
@ProblematicBeach 2 жыл бұрын
The way I teach it is boots and cats cause that’s familiar and then I go on to teach them “1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and”
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
I like it.
@menchlid3945
@menchlid3945 2 жыл бұрын
Genius!
@anne3782
@anne3782 2 жыл бұрын
very helpful thanks
@jack_r9875
@jack_r9875 Жыл бұрын
This is how I processed drums in my head while I was teaching myself before I started having lessons pretty neat system
@nunyabidness7052
@nunyabidness7052 Жыл бұрын
Gotta be kidding me, are we making a fruit salad or some shit?
@musicturtle6047
@musicturtle6047 2 жыл бұрын
I have always used normal drum sticks and I have never seen those sticks before can you post a video showing us what they are for
@makaiotan
@makaiotan 2 жыл бұрын
They’re called hot rods. You can get a pair for about $20 or so. They’re basically a whole bunch of thin wooden dowels squeezed together with a grip. A sort of middle ground between brushes and sticks (at least, I like to think so.)
@musicturtle6047
@musicturtle6047 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
I actually have a vid on how to make you own from scratch!
@burgerpowder8
@burgerpowder8 4 ай бұрын
My drum teacher would go “one anda two anda one anda two anda” and that would always help me
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 3 ай бұрын
Sure... later... But not on lesson 1.
@burgerpowder8
@burgerpowder8 3 ай бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac yes yes, I been playing like 13 years now but just a nice tip if it helps
@sleepyhead5949
@sleepyhead5949 3 ай бұрын
OMG... I'm a self taught drum beginner and your method is really effective ❤ thank you so much❤
@alessandrodicostanzo7359
@alessandrodicostanzo7359 Жыл бұрын
Boots and Cats the best imo❤😊
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
That works! … my method requires two syllable words. that comes into play more with the next step. But the audiation of 2 syllables help them sing the rhythm, 1e& 2e& ..that’s on purpose.
@DIY-Sally
@DIY-Sally Жыл бұрын
This might work great with a kid who doesn't know eighth notes, etc. But if ya got a kid that already understands that counting - the apple stuff is confusing.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
How many young Drum Students walk in the door understanding what an 8th note is? And if they’re understanding rhythms like 8th notes already, chances are they’ve already learned a basic rock beat. 🤔 Most young students that come to me, (between 3-11yrs old) do not know anything about drums… or rhythm, or even how to hold a pair of sticks. And this method has a 100% success rate with them. Check it out in action with my 5-year old daughter. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs
@RasburryTe
@RasburryTe Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac Yes, most people who have never held sticks don't know how to hold sticks. This much is obvious. You don't consider that a lot of people come to drums with some or a lot of existing knowledge in music. I've been a musician for about 10 years now and I only started learning drums last year. My teacher understood that and didn't slow me down with this stuff that just gets in the way.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@RasburryTe your teacher also looked at your unique situation and took the appropriate action. But you are not considering is that there are other people that are not like you. This method is for them 😉
@trollakhinmemeborn3278
@trollakhinmemeborn3278 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this, sometimes there's grooves that I struggle learning, and playing each limb separately isn't helping all that much, what works best is just *very* slowly playing the entire groove with every limb, but very slowly beat by beat and getting the feel for it, and then just speed that up. I feel like separating every "track" works if it's so automated that you can just churn out 8th notes without even thinking about it, and then you could just layer things ontop of that because the 8th notes are just a reflex, but I'm not there yet :(
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely... I approach more difficult things both ways. Horizontally helps you find the flow better, but vertically helps to get the coordination. New players should just be working on the coordination first. They will get the flow what’s the big knot in their brain is worked out. 😂
@bradencw
@bradencw Жыл бұрын
this also helped me on piano, when both hands were playing different rhythms, it really helped it make sense to me when i thought about what beats my hands hit notes together on
@daffyshakilfur3563
@daffyshakilfur3563 Жыл бұрын
Wtf are you talking about man.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Check it out in context 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs
@Tony2Metal
@Tony2Metal Жыл бұрын
What about "kick & snare &" I tried teaching my friends the horizontal way and they couldn't do it but once I came up with that they got it immediately
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
That works… I personal like two syllable words which helps with time a little bit… Apple 2 orange 2 makes them sing “1e& 2e&” adds a little rhythm to the audiation. I also use “bass” and “snare” in the next step in conjunction with the apples & Oranges when we learn “in-between s”
@kellyv6075
@kellyv6075 Жыл бұрын
Makes so much sense to me !
@glennhamilton7009
@glennhamilton7009 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a great method!
@conordreiss1467
@conordreiss1467 Жыл бұрын
“The mistake I see most teachers make is that they teach music how it’s supposed to be taught.”
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Not in my experience. I have found through almost 30yrs of teaching thousands of students, that audiation... in the beginning, beats standard counting and notation everytime. How long have you been teaching drums, I wonder? 😉
@jacoblee8181
@jacoblee8181 2 жыл бұрын
I guess if the student has no clue what a time signature is/ doesn’t understand time signatures. Eventually they will need to learn all of that so I’m not sure this method would help in the long run.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
Concepts like time signatures have no bearing on a beginner student who is just learning to play. That comes way down the bench once basic coordination like this, is resolved.
@KupsoRyu
@KupsoRyu Жыл бұрын
@thedrummersalmanac respectfully, I disagree. Counting is everything when you're the person that is driving tempo and keeping time. Lesson one shouldn't even be on a kit. 1 an 2 an 3 an 4 an . . . .
@williamkleitsch1153
@williamkleitsch1153 Жыл бұрын
Concentrate on the fulcrum techniques and count. Listen to the masters.
@phillredfox
@phillredfox Жыл бұрын
I understand the idea/principle in this video, my criticism is apple and orange are two syllable words which suggest two hits, I'd advise using a single syllable word like the classic - boots/cats
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
That's very much on purpose and here's why. Some students do not have a natural sense of time. A single syllable word relies on them having good natural time. But two-syllable words makes them sing a syllable in between the beats. (apple two orange two translates to 1e& 2E&) This is unconscious... but that rhythmic flow of the audiation helps them develop the time. Anyone can sing a rhythmic melody, not everyone can keep a steady beat right off the bat. Hope that makes sense.
@phillredfox
@phillredfox Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanacok, I see what you mean, interesting approach 👍🏽
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@phillredfox and the Melodie’s get really cool when you start mixing those apple and oranges. A2OA2AO2 translates to 1e&* 2e&a 3*&a 4e&* …just having the student sing that, helps resolve their coordination and their time. It’s like magic when you see it click in their head.
@cochese95
@cochese95 Жыл бұрын
I think this approach might have merit but Why not just give the names of the counts right away instead of fruit names? Eg. BD and HH are called 1 HH by itself is called “and” BD and SD are called 2 HH by itself is again called “and”
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Because it's not as fun... as relatable and persoanlly I do use all of those... but in the next step, in conjunction with all of the fruit.
@MayoNeighs27
@MayoNeighs27 Жыл бұрын
Its more confusing for the kid learning when he talks to other drummers and he says the orange of 4,im not being funny just truthful. But hey you do you my dude
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Is it? Watch my 5 year old daughter do it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs …everyone will get it this way… can’t say the same with the horizontal way.
@MayoNeighs27
@MayoNeighs27 5 ай бұрын
I guess we all learn it diffrent but hey if it works it works it's a diffrent method tbh
@turq1824
@turq1824 2 жыл бұрын
I'm barely starting out at drums. I'm gonna choose this method but I've decided to associate each limb of my body and piece of the kit (crash, snare, kick, hihat, ride etc..) with different things or people I love more than anything in the world.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Awesome… I reserve those for my next step.
@jedidrummerjake
@jedidrummerjake 3 жыл бұрын
Within the first 15 minutes of their first lesson, I can tell if a student be good drummer or me being a high priced baby sitter. It's a fact.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been there. Sometimes maturity is a big factor. And I’m not talking about age.
@yudy92
@yudy92 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get it lol watched this 3 times
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
What are you confused about? Maybe I can clear it up. 🙂
@evanhenry9925
@evanhenry9925 10 ай бұрын
As someone who just got a drum set and started this is really helpful thank you
@alexgrey7972
@alexgrey7972 6 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie the apple to orange thing made my brain almost melt 😂😂 now I’m just constantly like which was which which is coming aaagahagsgshbs
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 3 ай бұрын
You have to take a minute and build the association. That's what makes this so powerful. here's an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqssi=h6PTLoTZJjrxDRFf
@Cameronbass5150
@Cameronbass5150 Жыл бұрын
That is more complicated than counting 1234 lol
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not. especially when the grrove get's more complicated. They sing what they play and create that association in their head. Counting numbers horizontally does not create that association. For ex, 1 & 3 are different numbers but you are doing the same thing... this is confusing for a beginner. But an APPLE is always an APPLE... no matter where you put it. So once they have that association, you can mix and match. Apple two Orange Apple two two Orange Apple... They sing it... then they can just play it.... Like magic. 😉 #audiation
@Cameronbass5150
@Cameronbass5150 Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac infact I count 1234 2234 3234 4234 then back to 1 lol
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@Cameronbass5150 ha... well now you are talking about full phrases... That's a lot further down the bench. lol
@torquoisegeorges9439
@torquoisegeorges9439 2 жыл бұрын
That is a good drum beat man
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@markr.devereux3385
@markr.devereux3385 Жыл бұрын
I figured this out on my own. I was having trouble with the standard instruction and yes this approach works
@miffysawyer3062
@miffysawyer3062 Жыл бұрын
Omg it worked for me so well! My bf has been teaching me the horizontal one which I can do but found it tricky. But I found this Apple Orange easy to visualize and remember. It took me seconds to learn and barely any mistakes. Different methods apply for different people I guess. Thank you so much.
@TheAntithesis__
@TheAntithesis__ Жыл бұрын
I must disagree as a student, this sounds like you're trying to make teaching drums common core.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
lol...
@williamkleitsch1153
@williamkleitsch1153 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
How so? What this and get back to me… kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs
@williamkleitsch1153
@williamkleitsch1153 Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac maybe I don’t understand what you are trying to accomplish. But it all appears to be something that will need to be unlearnt. Other than having a sweet time with you daughter which I total understand.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@williamkleitsch1153 It depends very much and if you’ve tried to teach this way. My daughter got this in about 15 minutes, from never holding a drumstick before… and she’s 5. And she won’t “unlearn” anything. The coordination will be established, just the Terminology will change. 😉
@alecll493
@alecll493 Жыл бұрын
Never thought of teaching this way but its an amazing job to coordinate students, great work man love your videos
@Chaz2303
@Chaz2303 11 ай бұрын
That’s so much I better I just started yesterday and this helped me out a lot when trying to learn it
@MinecraftGamer-dq7fk
@MinecraftGamer-dq7fk Жыл бұрын
Teaching the same thing with different words absolutely makes no sense literally your making it more complicated
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Nope.. not at all. This method literally connects the students mind to the rhythms they are playing where the other way relied on them “feeling” it. That’s what makes it more fool proof. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZXWdGilj72niqs
@MinecraftGamer-dq7fk
@MinecraftGamer-dq7fk Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac but you have to “feel it” thats just part of the process
@BIGxBOSSxx1
@BIGxBOSSxx1 Жыл бұрын
This is a horrible lesson to reach to a beginner lol
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
how so?
@BIGxBOSSxx1
@BIGxBOSSxx1 Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac First way is simpler and easier to remember and it accomplishes pretty much the same thing. The other method is way too convoluted
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@BIGxBOSSxx1 and here's why you are wrong: If you ask most people if they think they can play the drums, what is the most common objection? Most will say something to the effect of "I could never separate my limbs and do two or three different things together, like that." Layering rhythms on top of a horizontal count (1&2&3&4&) feeds into that mind set of layering your limbs. Some students are defeated the second you bring that concept out, because of this mindset. This method completely erases that paradigm of "I don't have the coordination" and it does it in a very silly, fun and approachable way.
@BIGxBOSSxx1
@BIGxBOSSxx1 Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac Nah. I’ve given lessons to tons of people and pretty much everyone picks up the typical “1,2,3,4” method pretty easily lol
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@BIGxBOSSxx1 A couple of things there... "Pretty Much Everyone" is not "Everyone." This method works with everyone. 2. This is not something I am guessing about. This was developed through years of teaching and hundreds if not thousands of different students. I've been teaching drums since I was in college back in 1996... That's 27yrs of teaching drum students... I have the data and experience to back it up. 3. If you really are a drum teacher, have you ever even tried this method... before going on to dismiss it? Ya see, a real pro doesn't guess. They test... and notice what works and what doesn't. I, for example, would never go on another drum teacher's channel and try to "debunk" their method. Especially with nothing to back it up. I would test it, myself... and even then recognize that every teacher has their own method and respect that. Bottom line... basically, pros don't troll other pros.
@Scatixwasd
@Scatixwasd 7 ай бұрын
I came from bass/guitar and appreciated learning my first few beats this way, treating it like a riff with chords and notes in between
@BradMillsXRP
@BradMillsXRP Жыл бұрын
I was teaching that concept 25 years ago. Nice to see somebody else thought of it.
@danchase3333
@danchase3333 Жыл бұрын
you’re teaching “horizontally” just changing the language to fruit instead of numbers •_•
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
No... Horizontally is the idea of layering the limbs... Starting with say the hihat part... then adding the snare part... then adding the kick part... this is not doing that at all. This lines each voice up vertically and has the student find how each voice comes together on every cooresponding beat, one at a time. Much easier for a student to grasp.
@BrianFosterdrummer
@BrianFosterdrummer Жыл бұрын
What in the ever loving fuck?
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
what's confusing to you? Maybe I can help
@BrianFosterdrummer
@BrianFosterdrummer Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac sounds like it’s working great for you and your students so keep up the good work bro.
@yellowhumanearthlover608
@yellowhumanearthlover608 Жыл бұрын
I’m so grateful for all of your tips! Your genius really shows through in how you teach! Thanks again for sharing!
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
You are most welcome.
@fluffshepnetwork7067
@fluffshepnetwork7067 Жыл бұрын
Really great way to teach. This is kinda' how I taught myself how to drum.
@wagohowardmusic
@wagohowardmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. Get a book and get an instructor.
@sunnyclean9743
@sunnyclean9743 2 жыл бұрын
Or just go on KZbin without wasting money
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
…Definitely get an instructor… don’t understand the “nope” though 🤷🏻
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
@@sunnyclean9743 investing in lessons with a great teacher is never a waste of money. Learning on KZbin still cost you time… not everything on KZbin is accurate. So your trading time going through videos to try and hash out what’s right and what’s important to focus on. I always argue that time is worth more than money. You can always make more money, but you never get time back. If you are serious… invest in a good teacher.
@rodneysweat5743
@rodneysweat5743 2 жыл бұрын
I just tried this method on 4/4 and it worked great! Do you have a similar video for 6/8. Vertical training is great and your method made very easy for my student to pick it up.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 2 жыл бұрын
Apple 2 2 orange 2 2
@davidadamkess8129
@davidadamkess8129 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Top end strategy. Tremendous. A huge thanks. Now practice this 100 times and repeat.
@anthonyd1659
@anthonyd1659 7 ай бұрын
Awesome. I should have learned this way!
@wiggletonthewise2141
@wiggletonthewise2141 Жыл бұрын
This is genius! As a percussionist, vertically is exactly how I think of rhythm in terms of limb independence
@renuyadav539
@renuyadav539 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful explanation raised my confidence to learn it. Thank u
@jennyjohnson5994
@jennyjohnson5994 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much I tried it it worked!
@plasticglueman9966
@plasticglueman9966 5 ай бұрын
A fun thing someone once taught me when counting odd time signatures: In russian beer is пиво A goofy way to say vodka is водочка Пиво has two syllables and водочка has three. So you can just use those to count 3/8 and 2/8. So basically 7/8 is пиво пиво водочка, 11/8 is водочка водочка водочка пиво, et cetera
@RockyTop85
@RockyTop85 Жыл бұрын
I actually found that way more confusing than 1-e-and-a-2-e-and-a…methodology, where you just placing the hats, snare, and kick in the respective place you choose in that template, but that is just me…and that is also horizontal
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Sure... if you already know it that way, it's hard to put yourself in the mind of a beginner who does not.
@promitadas515
@promitadas515 2 жыл бұрын
I really like this way of learning
@BurstingBushidox
@BurstingBushidox Жыл бұрын
Anything that will help get a grasp is good. I've never taught anyone but I played and learned percussion in highschool and self taught kit at the same time, with only a couple lessons from my dad. It was so seamless for me I don't remember when it all clicked, but teaching someone something that is second nature to me is honestly very difficult.
@davidlopez6440
@davidlopez6440 Жыл бұрын
So glad you weren't my teacher I definitely would have quit 😭😭😭😂😂
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
You would never be my student with that attitude. 😉
@hacklin1757
@hacklin1757 Жыл бұрын
THE ST ANGER SNARE
@snickers6125
@snickers6125 Жыл бұрын
This is also good for intermediate drummers when learning polymeter, drawing it out shows what lines up and can help get the feel down easier
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Similar principle... Go vertical vs Horizontal 👍🏻
@snickers6125
@snickers6125 Жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac yup! Exactly
@InappropriateJoke
@InappropriateJoke Жыл бұрын
I love how he’s trying to help and just got shit on Also that kick sounds like dropping a 2006 ford f-350 with a triton v10 on your younger brother
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Not at all, my friend. All of those critical comments, debates and discussion have pushed the reach of this video way way into the stratosphere! Lol …
@conorreedR2C
@conorreedR2C 2 ай бұрын
I don't quite do it like this, but more a combination of the two styles. I don't give names like "appel two orange two;" I say, "both right hands right." After going beat by beat with it until the get the coordination, I have them layer it so they begin to get the feeling of the individual components of a drum beat.
@davidadamkess8129
@davidadamkess8129 Жыл бұрын
Not a chatbot gpt. Thanks. Wow. Top end #1 drumming video for a starter
@Ratty_Knight
@Ratty_Knight 8 ай бұрын
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU WAY HELPS ME OUT SO MUCH :DD
@imonlyinitfortheparking
@imonlyinitfortheparking Жыл бұрын
But I’m paralyzed. 😂 but that’s a good idea.
@camsmith7811
@camsmith7811 Жыл бұрын
your username is fucking awesome
@RockOn78
@RockOn78 Жыл бұрын
Nice way to think about it, thanks brother!
@Okay-xo5hl
@Okay-xo5hl Жыл бұрын
I can see how this could be helpful for certain people. My teacher usually just plays something (at a reasonable tempo) and then waits for me to repeat it. I’d say I like it that way. He did the whole “naming things” thing one time last year and I think it helped a lot of people in the class. But personally I’m a “boots and cats and” fan over all that other stuff lol
@EthanMcCray-dx5jw
@EthanMcCray-dx5jw 5 күн бұрын
A lot of drum teachers will show you and have you repeat, but they don’t really SHOW you. Coming from a beginner drummer I was taught first wrist movement and the open close technique. Then I started learning how to play different beats which was way easier then trying to learn the beats first. By learning hand techniques first, the different fills and grooves come way easier than they would without the hand techniques.
@innergenichiro
@innergenichiro 6 ай бұрын
For me the first method helped me way more than the vertical method.
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac 5 ай бұрын
Then you haven't truly tested both...
@joshuaclement5011
@joshuaclement5011 Ай бұрын
Really did it I'm not really a beginner, But i just wanted to go back and learn somethings new again i think
@simipereira6958
@simipereira6958 Жыл бұрын
This helped so much!!!
@Thedrummersalmanac
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!
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