Top 10 Confusing Card Mechanics in YuGiOh

[@CombatFan134]

Alternative title: Top 10 ways Yugioh players are niche lawyers.

[@charallave1000]

This is gold

[@maX0229567]

lmao

[@ChrisPTY507]

Yeah these games of words sounds like something a lawyer could take a chance on. Such a BS way to make rulings

[@CombatFan134]

ChrisPTY507 - No Commentary Gaming It’s like a compilation of made up rules the try hard on the playground used to steal wins/advantages when they were losing. Like the miss timing thing. One kid tries to destroy something. Try hard counters. Then pulls the timing thing to keep their card in play.

[@GigaPhoenix9001]

Freaking punctuation or lack thereof decides what is a cost for an effect or if it an effect at all. Like Lair of Darkness allows you to tribute your opponent's monster to activate your effects... but NOT as an effect to tribute a monster, or to special summon a Monster like Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon; Who can not be used with Lair of Darkness, as his Special Summon is not an "activated Effect..." Why? Because there is no ; or : so it's not an effect. DX Unlike Duke shade the sinister shadow lord who's special Summon effect is "You can Tribute any number of DARK monsters* ; * Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, it gains 500 ATK for each Tributed monster." That one can work with Lair of Darkness "simply" because the ; says the tribute is a cost... then there's old cards like like Cannon Soldier MK-2 that do not follow this punctuation rule but still work with it ("You can tribute 2 monsters to inflict 1500 damage to your opponent"). ... Stupidly technical and inconsistent this "Children's card game" can be.

[@tvftw1]

"If you cheated out BEUD and it's now in your GY, you can't use monster reborn on it because it remembers not being properly special summoned" This feels like a ruling that either caused or resulted from a salty fistfight at a local tournament

[@retrolightning2k86]

"HOW THE FUCK CAN A PIECE OF CARDBOARD REMEMBER YOU PIECE OF SH-"

[@LieutenantP1ckle]

This still doesn't make any sense to mez I've been playing for years and he completely lost me

[@QuasiGame0]

@@LieutenantP1ckle if you use a card that bypasses the regular special summon conditions of a monster that requires that condition to be met in order to be summoned(Stardust Dragon/Assault mode), then you can't use cards like monster reborn afterwards to revive it from the gy since the card never met its proper special summoning condition

[@JB-su6cu]

@@QuasiGame0 to be fair, I understand how it works, but I totally fail to understand why it was decided that it should work that way based on the content of the card text (like yea balance and all that, but it sure feels like the fact that this was slapped onto all extra deck monsters at some point was very arbitrary, especially once you start getting into the edge cases of what counts as a ‘proper special summon’ and what counts as ‘cheating’ the conditions evidenced by the #2 in the video)

[@fuckcontinentals]

@@JB-su6cu Yea like assault mode stardust dragin makes sense cuz jt has restrictions placed on it, BEUD doesn't

[@nanokeroro]

This is what they learn at the Duel Academy

[@louaidz1929]

And all of his top 10 videos

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

And people say a school for children’s card game makes no sense.

[@MrVariant]

No pendulum summons sadly. Literally the cards with the most words and are monsters and spells (damn you anti-spell fragrance). Hell I just upgraded my Yosenju Misak to Aether, the evil empowering dragon, which is a great retrain of a crappy pendulum monster as it also is a good target for Ninja Grandmaster Hanzo or that pendulum ninja twilight ninja jogen for ninjutsu art of super transformation. Another confusing mechanic is how much the rules changed for the extra deck for pendulum monsters. Easier to pendulum summon 2 monsters with one to extra deck zone (if face up from being destroyed or sent to graveyard for synchro/link summon (xyz they go to grave), normal summon phantom skyblaster and link summon. Still go all in as your spells need to set up pendulum scales (between is not including, so 2-6 if 1 and 7 scales) or plus in card advantage somehow.

[@MrVariant]

@@firewolf950tfwgaming7 reading comprehension goes through the roof if one doesn't have the ADHD to go crazy from reading all those damn effects on one card.

[@animayor3808]

Crolwer be proud

[@KoriKeiji]

Things that I learned from this video: - Don’t play Yang Zing - Don’t play Pole Position - Don’t play Assault Mode - Only use MST on Mystic Mine

[@ggame3987]

I learned I shouldn't play yu-gi-oh

[@thedootlord]

Dont play dark world and fadelds jn the same deck..... or room or anywhere NEAR each other

[@Ichijoumi]

I still feel that is stupid that a when clause has a miss timing and the if doesn't. In his example the way i see it is that two cards gets destroyed(using common sense and not this convoluted misstiming ruling) yan zing gets destroyed by break which is an effect, that triggers the yang because thats the when its destroyed clause then another yan zing gets to the field and it gets destroyed by the dark hole. To me the one that should be losing its effect would be the dark hole itself not the monster because the effect timing is when it gets destroyed, it is at the moment of destruction, the opponent just caused it at a higher chain, thats all. Feel free to call me dumb because if is optional, when is mandatory, its expecting an action by interaction. Its nonsense to have it viceversa.

[@Omicron9999]

@@Ichijoumi It's because the effects are on a chain, and a chain can't be interrupted by other card effects once it starts to resolve. 'When' effects have to happen at the exact moment they're triggered, any other effect triggering before they can resolve will cause them to miss the timing. I know, it's frigging stupid, and I'm convinced that there was originally no intended distinction between 'when' and 'if' trigger effects, until someone brought it up in a tournament and got the ruling upheld. The game would be way easier to understand if all the rules lawyering were completely taken out and rulings were simplified and standardised. But that would change the results of some tournaments, so it'll never happen. They should at least errata Dark Hole with an additional line explaining that it needs to specifically be negated to stop its effect. I literally didn't get my head around that until I got back into the game early this year, in 2005 we always played MST to counter Dark Hole and didn't see any reason not to. Seemed obvious to us that a card can't resolve its effect if it's been destroyed first.

[@KoriKeiji]

@@Ichijoumi Unfortunately some cards in the current format are balanced around being able to miss the timing. First example that comes to mind is the Paleozoic trap cards, which are Special Summoned from the GY “when” a trap card is activated. If you couldn’t miss timing, by activating a single trap card you could summon 5 Paleozoics in a single chain.

[@Richard-jm3um]

*Teacher, "Oh don't worry, the test will be easy"* *The test: *

[@TheWhiteMamba3000]

you would have passed but the new rulings say no.

[@kinyon2555]

TheWhiteMamba3000 you would have passed the test if you didn’t miss the timing

[@TrianglePants]

This overused format again...?

[@AndrewK209]

Guess I don't get it!! what's the punch line?!

[@net173h]

ironic you compare yugioh rulings to test, because they're both understandable if you invest enough time into them

[@GellyVelly]

I always thought "misses timing" felt more like a glitch than a rule that makes logical sense. I mean I get the whole "has to be the last thing that happens" thing. But it still feels more like something that would happen in a video game variation of yugioh because of a mistake in programming rather than a physical IRL card game. There's def waaay too many rulings in yugioh that would be really hard to understand from just reading the card, and tbh I think thats just bad game design.

[@thefisherman0074]

The missed timing rule is definitely one of the stupidest things about yugioh. But hey that’s how it is

[@hnfiiinc5993]

@@thefisherman0074 Just learn to play the game? Get good? I learned this with Geartowns, and it’s not a hard concept. “If” vs. “when” - just like coding or law. I can’t imagine what other ruling you guys find hard and thus stupid when it’s the barely functioning idiot that’s the problem. Kvetch harder and maybe Konami or another company might listen. Maybe, they’ll make a kiddie pool with your name on it.

[@sw33t.angela]

@@hnfiiinc5993 m8, this video covers the most frustrating and obscure rules. How tf do you know something targets a card implicitly or not when it doesn't say? Missing timing is the worst thing because why does its effect not resolve since it was discarded? "Negate" being a very heavy word and occasionally implied and something that MST doesn't do even though you destroy it? Monster reborn can't special summon a monster that was "improperly" summoned? Why allow special summoning a card that has strict conditions on its summoning? Duel Monsters didn't start with key words or a clear path and I'd argue this caused the mess they are in today with wordy card text and even wordier rules. Fusion monsters were the first extra deck cards and didn't have a well defined summoning condition yet other than using Polymerization. The only effect that had a keyword was FLIP which didn't really make it into other cards or effects. Magic has a ton of keywords and simple costs while also allowing complex effects. They don't have to have a description that reads like a legalese paragraph on most cards. I'll admit, wordy and confusing rulings aren't exclusive to yugioh. Magic and Pokemon have them. But YGO brings it to another level.

[@CapOb314]

@@sw33t.angela I can guarantee that if the other guy ever replies, he's gonna hit you with the "Text wall. Argument invalid."

[@GellyVelly]

@Dale Soulflare Yeah, totally. I'm a MTG player first and just play yugi casually. And the MTG rules have ALWAYS been waaaay more sensible. I mean sure MTG has it;s own weird/confusing things but...not like this.

[@andresvillalobos9750]

TheDuelLogs: *has a video that discusses infinite loops* Pole Position: Now this looks like a job for me.

[@waiyon1951]

I feel like if they add a hard limit on how many times Pole Position can trigger it be fine like only 5 times per turn.

[@hhaavvvvii]

@@waiyon1951 "At the start of each phase"

[@Frostnburn]

The card is in a Pole Position to discuss such matters

[@Khanmanlol]

If I were writing the rules of card effects, for "Silent Wobby", I would have worded it like this: "During your Main Phase, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand) to your opponent's side of the field. If summoned this way: the player who controls this card Draws 1 card, while their opponent gains 2000LP. The effect of "Silent Wobby" can only be used once per turn. The hand size limit of this card's controller become 3."

[@demilembias2527]

I like how magic is supposedly aimed at a higher age group than Yugioh yet magic cards (at least modern ones) have generally straightforward effects that have been simplified down to a selection of keywords whereas Yugioh cards have complex effects that are often over 100 words and are written like legal text.

[@andryduarte9164]

I think of it more in terms of programming, tbh

[@BlueBlazeSG]

Have you ever read the MTG Rulebook?? It's actually written like the Code of law of any country. I'm not saying one game is better than the other, just that Magic is actually clearer to read and apply than Yugi because of this.

[@LDIndustries]

@@BlueBlazeSG You can chock that up to MTG being designed as a card game with strict rules that have stood the test of time and YuGiOh being originally created to sell manga and hype up anime releases. Konami only started caring about rules after they realized their card game was becoming something profitable and reached overseas. The best examples of this are YuGiOh's "timing" vs MTG's "stack" and YuGiOh's weird "you just have to know" version of targeting/non-targeting and MTG's clear cut "if it says target it targets, if it doesn't it doesn't"

[@Luxinox16]

@@LDIndustries The Yugioh "you just have to know if it targets" is typically a problem on older cards (specifically cards that were printed before 2011); newer and reprinted cards have PSCT; those cards state in their card text if their effects target or not.

[@StormerSage]

Toon Dark Magician Girl was accidentally the best toon monster...because there literally wasn't enough room on the card to print "Cannot attack the turn it is Summoned."

[@KidAjax]

"Vayu is the only card that synchros from the grave" *Cries in Shiranui*

[@py5844]

I was looking if someone commented it. Lol Does it work the same way as vayu ?🤔

[@ArnulfoSalgado]

@@py5844 yes. It cheats out a zombie type synchro from the extra deck by banishing itself and another zombie from the graveyard and it doesn't count as a synchro summon. The only difference is that you can't activate this effect the same turn that it goes to the graveyard

[@harryf9885]

Yes it does, which means that you can use spectralsword and a level four in your graveyard to summon something like archfiend zombie skull, which normally requires plaguespreader and 2 non-tuners.

[@KidAjax]

@@randomtttt lol what? Vayu special summons, not synchro summons. And so does Spectralsword, but just for Zombie Synchros

[@Fabi_SZ]

And there's King's consonance

[@Carlitonsp1]

Missing the timing messed me up. My boi "Peten the Dark Clown" got turned useless in an instant.

[@musiyevonchilla6769]

Lightpulsar Dragon knows that feeling

[@ramaroy2408]

@@musiyevonchilla6769 lightpulsar deserve it as it can be abused by pre errata REDMD to either FTK or SS each other infinetly. That's why lightpulsar got errata before it was released (in the promo the effect is "If ..... You do" and then changed to "when...... You can" in the official card)

[@garymcginnis8511]

my friend texted me recently and was like, "dude! why don't people play Peten, it's literally Malicious!" and we were both baffled until we realized.

[@canceryahhh]

I cry when Yubel misses her timing 😢

[@raptorwithwings]

The way I explain MST Doesn’t Negate is by saying “The card is a gun and the effect is a bullet. Even if you get rid of the gun, you didn’t stop the bullet.”

[@TheReaperofHades]

And I guess negate would be the equivalent of say, jamming the gun with a card like Kaiba? X3

[@wizit1993]

That makes no sense, if you got rid of the gun before the bullet was shot then the bullet doesn't fire. Using YuGiOh logic boxes of bullets would shoot you in the leg lol

[@Felnal]

@@wizit1993 It's more like pulling the trigger is the card activation, and the hammer hitting the firing pin is the effect resolution. Even if you somehow took the gun away between the trigger being squeezed and the bullet being fired, that wouldn't stop the hammer from striking the firing pin and firing the bullet.

[@lmock04]

Yeah but chains resolve backwards, and if the gun is removed before the effect is activated, "the trigger pull", in the chain, it should negate it. I've hated the MST rule the entirety of the time I've played yugioh

[@Hanandro-C]

@@lmock04 The activation is the gun being shot at that point even if you get rid of the gun the bullet has already been fired

[@jxivanx]

Next ideas for a video: Top 10 archetypes with confusing play styles Top 10 best field spells Top 10 archetypes with high reliance on combos / graveyard/ banish zone Top10 best reptile, wyrm or thunder monsters Top 10 cards that have not been reprinted in a long time

[@brianaguilar8283]

Weather Painters Necrovalley Guardragon Evil Dragon Ananta Any tournament pack promo

[@thek838]

The top 2 reptiles would be danger tsuchinoko and tyrant Neptune for sure.

[@danieltentori7523]

Ultimate conductor tyranno and all the kaiju's need reprints ASAP

[@lorenomiletic7059]

He already did top 10 reptiles with dzeef

[@mfznal-hafidz8592]

1. Crystron, Ritual Beast, Spellbook, etc. 2. Flawless protection of tenyi, fusion gate, magical citadel of endymion, Toon kingdom, etc. 3. GY: Vendread, Shiranui, Mayakashi, Red-Eyes, Superheavy Samurai. Banished: Metaphys 4. Evil Dragon Ananta, Mystery Shell Dragon, Thunder King Raioh, etc. 5. Archlord Zerato. I don't know.

[@o7_AP]

My biggest (realistic) hope for Yu-Gi-Oh is that they eliminate missing the timing entirely. It currently serves no real balancing purpose and it just randomly screws over older cards and certain archetypes as well as making the game more confusing.

[@Mimagito]

Paleozoics when you can't miss timing anymore and you can swarm the entire field with a single trap: 😎

[@derda3209]

@@Mimagito how?

[@wallisbudge4022]

Good thing now Miss The Timing is just meaningless jargon, SEGOC saved us all!

[@dudono1744]

​@@MimagitoCan't you give them "You cannot activate the effects of other "Paleozoic" cards in your GY in the same Chain as this effect" ?

[@HazhMcMoor]

Nooo YZ will be broken without it??!!??

[@cakephone7893]

A wiseman say: "More simple the text of the cards,it's more powerful effect" ex:Pot of greed:3

[@donaldmacisaac8479]

What are you on about, pot of greed is the card with the most convoluted effect of all time.

[@reisen9584]

@@donaldmacisaac8479 agreedm that's why it never got off the ban list even once.. It caused so much ruling nightmare in the past as much as I remember

[@baggelissonic]

Gain 100 lp

[@lpfan4491]

Neos Wiseman was correct about that.

[@BronzeAnalystTM]

Reading is already confusing for the average Yu-Gi-Oh player... We don't even know what Pot of Greed does

[@dustingideon5719]

I think it allows you to kill 2 Joestars at the same time.

[@UnknownGamer40464]

Doesn't it make you win if you have 2 cards in your hand?

[@greninjassj691]

@@UnknownGamer40464 no, no, it makes you win if you are able to read the entire effect and if you draw the exact same xard you want, which will happen 99.99% of the time

[@gaminggamergamevideogame322]

no it lets you draw 2 cards from your hand

[@Zhortac]

It let's you summon Pot of Greed

[@animesky965]

Me: *Explaining this rule to someone just start yugioh.* Beginner player: what? But this is not in the rule book.

[@krullachief669]

yeah having like, the master rules in the rulebooks would probably help a little, let alone just, so much more shit

[@siegturtle2335]

@@krullachief669 my body is ready for a thicc player's handbook with 52 pages in my starter deck

[@hunterwalker4256]

Team APS skit right here

[@SuperVoodude]

Kids these days don’t seem to have the same luxury some of us did growing up with Yugioh video games being consistently released. That’s where I learned about missing the timing and such.

[@DD-fs7pg]

@@SuperVoodude Pretty much, digital card games are just superior because they get around issues like this and more.

[@Quanze]

Honorable mention: "Unaffected by card effect" monsters vs Negate effects, or really just Unaffected cards versus Skill Drain. If the monster is on the field first, Skill Drain won't affect it. But if Skill Drain is up first. the monster can't technically "activate" its effect to be unaffected by other cards, and will have all of its effects negated.

[@itriggerpeople4433]

I feel like this video should be 3 times as long

[@questrequested9171]

@@number-qx1kw how cheerful

[@damagedjefff6821]

@number 39 you are more toxic than the people at my locals

[@jxivanx]

Even with a brief explanation some of them I didn't get them at all For example discard costs and timing

[@jackshizuho1491]

@@number-qx1kw @number 39 and he said, and I quote " you are more toxic than the people at my locals". So the people at his locals don't say that wheather a meme or not, read his comment like you read your cards...

[@runningoncylinders3829]

The only one that could've gone a bit more in-depth was which old cards Target. He kinda left that thread open, yet the others were explained well enough for anybody to understand.

[@HTheHunter]

"Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor is the only card that let you perform a extradeck summon from the graveyard" Shiranui Spectralsword: Am i a joke to you?

[@svcross-do]

My favourite children's card game.

[@spartanq7781]

That people use to vaguely attempt to take over the world.

[@BloodfelX]

Child me be all like: "The Pokemon trading card game is too complicated, I prefer Yu-Gi-Oh" Then wonder why barely anyone plays the same card games as me. I remove from play cards, then later summon those cards which were removed from play. Which isn't the same thing as being in the Graveyard; that's why you couldn't use Monster Reborn on it- Hey wait, I'm not cheating! It's the rules!

[@Kaitokid730]

It's a children's card game if you stick with dark magician 😂😂

[@bensell982]

@@Kaitokid730 nope there's a spell card that is purely dark magician support but it can't be searched out by dark magician spell card searchers because the card refers to dark magician as an archetype and not dark magician specifically.

[@Kaitokid730]

@@bensell982 well that one is ruined😗. Then Mokey mokey is the way to go 😎

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Honestly though, Silent Wobby is probably one of the biggest cards that was annihilated by actual rulings. I remember everyone playing Silent Wobby when it came out, because they thought it gave them the card draw. But once we all worked out that wasn't how it worked, Silent Wobby was just annihilated from our decks.

[@kevindirksen6308]

At 18:11, he says that there are no other cards that summon from the extra deck from the graveyard, but don't D/D Necro slime (proper fusion summon) and Shiranui Spectralsword (not proper summon) also do this (maybe others as well, but these came to mind). These don't negate the effects but do summon from the extra deck from the graveyard.

[@masterdarklink1]

I think he means ones that special summon rather than the type of summon that they need, for example Necro Slime's effect counts as a fusion summon, so the monster would be counted as having been brought out properly and could be revived from the graveyard. Spectrail Sword does cheat it out and im pretty sure he just forgot, there's so many cards out there after all.

[@LegendaryAntiHero]

@@masterdarklink1 he should know Shinranui Spec synchros in the gy because Shira is meta in Duel Links. Duel Logs made several duel links videos meaning he plays the app.

[@andrym.guzmanramirez8262]

What happens with spectralsword is that it special summons a monster from your extra deck, so it does not count as a synchro summon.

[@mattiaambra8766]

wich is exactly the same thing that happens with Vayu i guess

[@lorenzo1412]

@@mattiaambra8766 exactly, but Vayu's requirements make it seem like it is actually a synchro summon

[@joshobrien3467]

first time I learned about missing the timing I just wanted to walk into the ocean

[@Tpainactual]

Same

[@liamelwood5137]

Does anyone else feel like "when" cards should get an errata to become "if" so they can't miss timing? It seems ridiculous that effects should be able to "miss timing" to me...

[@radishhat5736]

A lot of the time it's for like, balance reasons.

[@espurrseyes42]

Maybe not all, but some of them coughcoughGUSTOFALCOcoughcough could use that errata or at least have their effects be mandatory if possible.

[@BloodfelX]

I begrudgingly understand where it comes from, in terms of balance. After all if "Appropriate" had its initial activation occur on an "If" then I feel the Temple of the Kings + Appropriate variant of FTK Exodia would be just a bit too consistent.

[@MrVariant]

They'll errata release restraint for gearfried monsters to a higher level first lol nobody uses that swordmaster

[@BloodfelX]

​@@sliver170 To me its more along the lines of a "Gotcha!" moment. You can almost divide how a game plays out into two variants depending on one word in the card text: Scenario 1: "So now its floating effect activates-" "Ah, but what does the effect say?" "Well, when it's-" "GOTCHA!" Scenario 2: "So now its floating activates-" "Yeah." "Because if it's-" "Yeah, I know."

[@justharkho]

You should include the damage step, its sub-steps, and their relation to turn player prority. This was really confusing when I tried to attack with a light monster into opponent's light monster and both of us want to be the second to activate Honest to win that battle.

[@CeruleanChurch]

How the hell do even resolve that? Flip a coin? Rock-Paper-Scissors?

[@robrick9361]

@@CeruleanChurch No you just stop playing the game because your wasting time on something that even the creators couldn't bother to design properly.

[@oakleyraverty1030]

Late I know, but that would just activate at the same time during the damage step and likely destroy both monsters

[@bigd8122]

Hey, he did a whole video on the damage step for incorrigible morons like us.

[@oakleyraverty1030]

@Jesse Mathis I googled it and the person who activates first during the damage step wins because the opponent's Honest if chained would be resolved first meaning the first honest wins.

[@adamchristopher6917]

Regarding #2, what about Shiranui Spectralsword? Doesn’t he have a “synchro summon from grave” effect?

[@despotar_c_7100]

Yes it does

[@MrPablo9215]

I was thinking the same

[@ChrisPTY507]

He sit have. The guy was wrong saying vayu is the only one

[@r4nd0mguy99]

Shiranui Spectralsword CAN special summon a synchro monster, BUT that summon doesn‘t count as a synchro summon.

[@naos8116]

@@r4nd0mguy99 Neither does Vayu's.

[@arurujay2056]

I suspect this is what they teach in that Duel Academy in YGO GX and that’s why Judai was so bad at it because his cards don’t have complicated effects

[@DylanHlava]

This wasn't in the video, but a ruling that I recently learned about monsters that cannot be Normal Summoned / Set is the wording of "first". If a monster is first properly Special Summoned by it's effect, which says that it "Must first be Special Summoned", then it can be revived by a card effect. But if that "first" is missing, it can only be brought out by it's summoning conditions, unless ignored by a card effect. For example, Chaos Sorcerer, can be brought out from the Graveyard after it's been properly Special Summoned, but it's retrain, Lightray Sorcerer, cannot be brought back because it doesn't have "first" in it's summoning conditions. It's a lot like the "when vs if" wording for Graveyard effects. This also applies for monsters that say "Must be Fusion Summoned", or cards like Masked Heroes that can only be brought out by their summoning card. They can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon and can't be revived at all, even if properly fusion summoned.

[@mcgrewgs]

"Basically, just don't play Pole Position, and you're good to go!" Brilliant

[@Brutaltronics]

let me tell you how to understand pole position. 1st thing to know: don't play pole position done

[@RinJackson]

The card or the old video game? :)

[@sachadossantos7972]

@@RinJackson both

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Pole Position is honestly one of my favourite cards just because it's effect is so awful but opens up so much bullshit loops that it's rulings are probably the most complex of any card.

[@payne9682]

Honorable mention : Konami forgetting to give good support to Pyro and Reptile types all the time. It really be hard to understand the mechanic behind that playstyle. Day 523 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive in Blazing Vortex.

[@svcross-do]

Hey!

[@snivygreen2216]

Yep more reptile effects

[@jxivanx]

Agreed . I think the most forgotten types are: pyro, thunder, aqua , reptile , wyrm and spirit

[@callmefried544]

What about that pyro/volcanic synorch monster where you can give it to your opponent and your opponent takes 2000 damage untill that monster leaves. Or something like that.

[@lukasr1166]

The one and only payne 96!

[@longliverocknroll5]

Basically “bs semantics because they didn’t flesh out game rules properly” applies to everything lol

[@AtlasNovack]

General rule of thumb: if it's "to" do something, it's a cost. If it's "and" do something, or "then" do something, it's the effect.

[@ignacioperez5479]

Thanks

[@tcoren1]

AtlasNovack honestly the best indicator for cards that were printed in the last decade is to just look for the presence of a semi colon on the effect, as they all follow the template of “activation condition : cost and targeting ; effect” (the cost and activation condition are not always present, but the effect always is, so you can search from the end of the effect backwards for a : or a ; )

[@timaeus22222]

Even easier: Just spot the semi colon in cards that were printed after 2011. Those cards follow proper PSCT and will say something like, "If condition is met: pay this cost; do this effect." Not all cards have activation conditions, but if they do, they end on ":". Many cards have costs, shown before ";". The remaining clause after the ";" is the effect that follows that cost.

[@BloodfelX]

Read that as "General rule of dumb", made me laugh

[@rudyramadhana4127]

correct

[@DrGandW]

I just don’t get missing the timing, it just seems backwards to say the effect *has to happen* as soon as the conditions are met, when you could just say that the effect *happens* as soon as the condition is met, so if it would miss timing even though the condition is being met by another card in the chain it just jumps up the chain to activate after the first card to resolve and meet the condition. I can imagine that maybe changing the order of chains as they resolve could cause problems but the way it works is just an odd interpretation of “when”. Sounds like it should be something that ties itself to an event and happens simultaneously.

[@rainbowdragon168]

Hopefully those who are new to Yugioh will understand these 10 mechanics better because this is really helpful and it helped me. I’m not new to Yugioh but the ‘missed timing’ one has happened to me a few times in Duel Links but know I understand how this works.

[@kinyon2555]

I still have nightmares about my Yubel missing timing so much

[@PointNubProductions]

Nah i def think this is a flaw in the quality of the game, it shouldn't take a PhD in astrophysics to understand what the hell is going on. Extremely unintuitive especially for new players

[@rainbowdragon168]

Masterjohn ok?

[@captainkirk6044]

This is literally new player repellent bro.

[@rainbowdragon168]

Kirk Misquita ok

[@Lightwaverable]

I feel like a lot of the mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh are sort of just accidents that they just went with, like targeting and not targeting

[@robrick9361]

That's exactly what happened. Take a look at the earliest Fusion monsters. Gaia the Champion = 1 2300 double tribute + 1 2000 single tribute + polymorization, all for 2600 ATK with no effect. Blue Eyes White Dragon = 2 tibutes only The just took cards from the show and turned them into product. The rules were figured out later when people actually wanted to play a "real" game.

[@Rieras]

nah, I feel like they made these rulings up to constantly screw with their opponents in the early days. "you can't do that, you just missed timing!" "tf you on about?" And that it was hard to implement these rules in the first place due to backlash

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

It’s the equivalent of playing pretend and your friend says he is invincible and you say nuh-uh I shot you first before that. That’s the vibe I get when these niche rulings that impact an entire game come up.

[@jameshoang2060]

I would've thought "Inherent and Non-Inherent Summons" would be on this list

[@AnimatedIdiotGuide]

Inher-what now? 😳

[@mateusrp1994]

@@AnimatedIdiotGuide You know how some monsters have effects that let them Special Summon themselves? Some of them don't count as "effects" but as a "condition", thus cards that respond to an effect activation can't respond to them because no effect was activated, you just reached a condition that allowed you to Special Summon that monster. You can tell an effect from a condition if the line that describes the Special Summon procedure has a colon, activated effects have colons thus they start chains. It's the difference between Nibiru (its an activated effect, thus Appolousa can negate it) and the Kaiju s(its a condition, thus it can't be negated). Though its still a Summon, so Solemn Strike still negates even Special Summon conditions. It's just cards that respond to effect activations that get bypassed.

[@AnimatedIdiotGuide]

@@mateusrp1994 ...i've been out of this game way too long XD

[@samueljackson3512]

@@mateusrp1994 im not sure this is correct Im pretty sure solemn still misses some summons.

[@MrVariant]

That's true, damn you horn of heaven style trap cards for non-inherent stuff like rituals or fusions. Also can't negate inherent summons from stuff like mist valley apex avian as they're not monster effects. I check the comments section for these vids as they're better (I commented on pendulum summons being the most confusing)

[@ChaosUnown]

I honestly didn’t know that sort of differentiation from Dark World monster effects for several years, so I really appreciate the explanation here.

[@agr0nianTV]

I would of put Missing the Timing #1 I've been playing for several years and it still trips me up from time to time. Honorable mention goes to Chain Blocking.

[@Kuribonker]

I play the game for 8 yeah now and i miss timing all the time.

[@robinlinh]

tbh I always wondering if the miss timing is an intended mechanic or not.

[@shadowjmg2]

As someone who mostly plays magic i rewatched that bit 3 times and I'm still not sure I understand how you miss the effect.

[@Kurogetsu1]

@@shadowjmg2 yugioh doesn't use a traditional stack. If two "when" triggers go off at the exact same time, only one of them actually resolve and then the other one lost its chance. It's really dumb

[@arrownoir]

Le tuan linh It’s not, it’s just nonsensical.

[@Kralex121]

The mechanic that really surprised me back in the day was the old Trap Monster mechanic. I always just imagined they would leave the spell/trap card zone or if not that don't occupy a monster zone. But the fact that they used to occupy both just really confused me when I first heard about it.

[@hoangminhle1964]

7:26 "Basically just dont play Pole Position and you're good to go" Big brain logic right here

[@EmmaSenshi]

The video might as well be titled: 10 reasons why people stop playing YuGiOh

[@Halfmania]

Or "10 reasons why people don't start playing YuGiOh"

[@vincentwiliamphilips]

awesome I feel like you based this video on my" top 10 card ruling nightmares" comment :)

[@Jacob-bp3su]

This video was super helpful as someone who is trying to get competitive! I knew a little bit about the more advanced stuff, but this is highly informative!

[@NoshuHyena]

Shoutout to Inherent Special Summon vs. Special Summon by effect. When T-King Rai-Oh came out, he was a rulings gremlin for the whole Yugioh community.

[@SamusDaHero]

Great video! Lots of little things you don't immediately pick up, but are super important to know, now all in one place. Good stuff.

[@kawaiizombiegal]

its bs that optional effects miss timing when other non optional "when effects" can't miss timing,

[@Karanthaneos]

My go to for understanding these was the when, and now I learn that some when effects don't miss timing because they're worded in a way that makes their effects mandatory... What the hell

[@RickertUrgen]

it can't miss timing when it has to happen... how should that work? Konami should have made all when effects to if to never have this problem anymore

[@Karanthaneos]

@Charmiskit Yeah, but the problem is that all those cards are still legal, just because they don't have a reprint doesn't mean the problem went away. They need a ruling or something that just makes the missing timing situation to go away. I wonder how many cards would genuinely become a lot more playable if the missing timing ruling just went away.

[@ramaroy2408]

@@Karanthaneos hell no, Miss timing is needed in the game. Cards with when that Miss timing can be abused and turn into degenerate. Also when effect that always Miss timing Will followed by "you can" and the mandatory when is never have that follow up. Lightpulsar dragon is one example why Konami turn it's effect from "If you do" to "when you can" so it can't be abused with pre errata REDMD. What we need is reprint of old cards with the new card text.

[@ramaroy2408]

@@RickertUrgen um no, "when...... You can" that can Miss timing because it's optional. You have the option to activated it but because something already happened before you can use it, you Miss the time to use it. The "When" mandatory effect don't have "you can" follow up so they can't Miss timing, this not optional and must happen. It isn't that hard to be honest.

[@Pur3AGL]

You explained these effects very well. I'm impressed by how well you explained them.

[@garymcginnis8511]

This was actually so informative, and the examples were perfectly chosen to be really comprehensible. Amazing video!

[@thevideo-beast122]

I am both shocked and yet happy that you didn’t mention Pendulum cards. Pendulum cards are my personal favourite cards in yugioh, but I know how confusing they can be and I understand why players don’t playing with/against them.

[@natancypriano9912]

18:10 Doesn't Shiranui spectralsword also make the same type of special summon as Vayu?

[@LegendaryAntiHero]

Yes

[@skepticskeleton1064]

Genuinely thanks for the helpful explanations as I never quite understood the whole "miss timing" effect in particular as I always thought card effects would go of as long as their conditions were met.

[@McBobX]

16:40 It is not the only one, there is Shiranui Spectralsword who does the exact same thing for generic Zombies and doesn't negate effects. Used widely in Duel Links for months lol.

[@jumpinjeff1709]

This is so fun to watch as someone who never played this game. I binged watched enough videos to figure out some rules, but this threw me for a loop

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Problem Solving Card Text. Or PSCT to keep it short. If you want to learn how to read a card and apply it properly thats how. Its how a card is worded. Issue is most of the playerbase is ignorant of it sadly.

[@yunleung2631]

Top ten cards that would be good if they didn’t miss the timing.

[@dynomite9524]

#1 peten the dark clown

[@Adeios96]

I went searching on KZbin something along the lines of "why my Dark World monsters aren't activating their effects" glad so see an old video from duel logs was the first result. Even better that Dark World monsters is the first topic on his list, and even 2 years later he helped me understand the fine print hidden in these card effect descriptions, thanks DuelLogs.

[@armornick]

I learned that lesson about Dark World very quickly when playing one of the YGO video games. I tried playing Lightining Vortex and got very confused. Still like that archetype a lot though.

[@ewanphilip5604]

The worst part is the first printing of Lightning Vortex has the same wording as the card at 1:33 where it says "Discard 1 card. Destroy all your opponent's face-up monsters" which makes it sound like it's part of the effect. Nowadays it has a semi-colon in there so you can tell but yeah beforehand it was literally impossible to know without internet access to check a website for card rulings

[@miyu8823]

nice video, I had to learn this effects/situations by my own mistakes, it's nice to remember now the way I used to think and how the effects worked ; )

[@JJSquirtle]

"Top 10 Most confusing mechanics" >Doesn't mention the Damage Step

[@LieseFury]

a lot of this sounds like a judge got paid off at one tournament to make a ruling that makes no sense, and then it stayed that way because of precedent.

[@jinezawa7089]

"For example, the entire yang zing archetype" Well.....barring the one that's banned. F in the chat for Denglong and yang zing as a whole

[@francescocrovocassinelli7691]

Congrats! This is the best video I have seen explaining concisely the most confusing aspects of the game

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Just learn what Problem Solving Card Text is. Boom, 90% of ruling issues gone

[@juanmanuelgiraldo5239]

One more: effects that affect cards on the field or face up cards. For example, if you use a monster effect while your opponent has a Madame Verre and they try to negate it using her effect, you can chain something like Ballista Squad to tribute your monster and since it would no longer be face up on the fiel, it's effect would not be negated since Verre's text specifies "all face up monsters your opponent currently controls".

[@ShadowHazy]

Isn't he has already mentioned it when talk about MST and Book of moon.

[@lorenzo1412]

I'm 100% sure you came here directly from duel links

[@TartarusPitt]

yo i finally understand why cards miss timing, like i understood the difference between "when" and "if" meaning i knew cards that said "if" couldn't miss timing, but i never understood what the difference was and WHY cards with "when" would miss. ty my man take my like.

[@M3G4T3RR4]

I knew missing timing would be here, but I oofed so hard when I saw the Yang Zing Card immediately

[@Zuvas]

At @1:57 you say Bone Temple Block triggers Beiige because the text doesn't contain ''then'' but earlier you showed Hand Destruction and said the who text happen simultaneously and the text has the word ''then''..? its confusing

[@Zuvas]

also there is a trap card called King's Consonance that allows you to synchro summon from the graveyard (2016 release) and unlike the Emblem of Honor, it is specifically written to be treated as a synchro summon

[@shadyshyguy4058]

18:06 Although there is Psychic Feel Zone witch lets you to special summon a synchro monster from your extradeck by returning a banished tuner and a non tuner to the GY, and the summoned monster has to be the combined level of the returned one.

[@WiF_Gaming]

Normally when i watch these videos i am Like “Oh, didn’t know that card, Nice!”... This video is different... i learn SO MUCH! And That’s not even cards i don’t know, i knew most of these, But i’ve only really played on Dueling Nexus in the last 5 years... and it is automated for turns, and on What you Can do at each step... so i didn’t know much of This... AWESOME Video!

[@MrSuperAJ]

Okay, now I understand why they invented a duel academy. Omg.

[@VieShaphiel]

I haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh for about 15 years, and it's amazing that I recognize more than half of the things on this list

[@panduanugrah765]

Vayu is the only card that can be used to synchro summon from the graveyard *Shiranui spectralsword has left the chat*

[@hollowryder2732]

Missed timing and cards that don’t target are 2 of the dumbest rules lol. “I am selecting this thing to be the victim of an effect not targeting it.” And “we are the only card game in existence which could not figure out the concept of the stack.”

[@timaeus22222]

4:23 - Easy way to remember what misses timing: ask yourself, "When can you miss timing?" You miss timing *When... You can* . Any card that says "When [condition occurs]: You can [do this effect]" can miss timing if its condition IS met as NOT the last thing to occur.

[@loleo123]

The "Giving your opponent a monter" point... I remember that. Me and my friends faught about the rulings of that one Dark World card that special summons itself onto the opponents field after being discarded by an effect. Then it gains the effect that the "Opponent Discards 1 card of their choosing". Which means that I would discard any card. It got messy as all hell.

[@Rumu11]

There’s a more accurate way to describe how costs work: anything before a ‘;’ is the cost and everything before a ‘:’ is the activation requirements.

[@deamon6681]

Man, the remembering summoning conditions had me the first time when I had a Blue-Eyes Alternative Ultimate Dragon on the field, it got turned face down, and after flipping it the next turn, it could only destroy 1 instead of 3 cards with it's effect.

[@kennydawson5098]

How do you "shuffle" and "draw cards"? I got this card that says draw 2 cards and I cant figure out how to do it, something called a "greedy pot". This game too hard 😤

[@DCBiscuit]

Missing the timing is such a painful thing in Duel Links. I run a Gusto deck as one of my mains (yes, with some difficulties) and missed timing happens frequently when a synchro based archetype has several cards with “if this card is sent to the graveyard: X.” Missed timing is always so off the cuff that unless you know your rule book inside and out, you’ll always get hit with it.

[@azuredragoon2054]

I like to use the term "fizzle" for effects that can't proceed but aren't negated. Also, isn't the Shiranui archetype allowed to synchro summon legitimately from the GY?

[@ArnulfoSalgado]

No. Spectralsword has the same effect as Vayu except for Zombies and it can't be used the same turn it hits the GY

[@azuredragoon2054]

@@ArnulfoSalgado Either way, Shiranui was somewhat built on the idea of synchro summons from the GY. At least, that's my experience from Duel Links.

[@ultimatech_7514]

Well people already mentioned, probably mostly those who play Duel Links, but Shiranui Spectralsword apparently has the same effect as Vayu. That being said, I'll give a quick explanation to why I think Spectralsword's effect is *even more* complicated than Vayu. Vayu does that confusion but it only summons a Blackwing monster banishing itself (who is a blackwing monster) and another blackwing monster, so it still makes sense to summon a monster that requires blackwing monsters as materials. Now that's where Spectralsword proves it can get even worse: it just need to banish itself + another zombie monster to special summon a zombie synchro monster from the extra deck. This means you can fully ignore some conditions like Archfiend Zombie-Skull or Revived King Ha Des have (both require Plaguespreader as a material), as those are the requirements for a *Synchro* Summon, not a special summon from the extra deck which requires banishing specific monsters from the graveyard.

[@akuma_tenshi6176]

Top ten worst "top ten" suggestions Expecting this one to be pretty high on that list

[@kafazyshorthop9909]

It's not just these cards, it's pretty much all of them. ;)

[@mateusrp1994]

This is why Kaiba made a school to teach a children's card game. Btw, how about a Top 10 Signature Attack cards?

[@SleepyNPC1748]

I'm pretty sure that your explanation on lingering effects is wrong. Lingering effects do not necessarily "give other cards effects" but are simply just effects with results that are applied even after the activation of the effect itself. Because of this it is also false to say that you can always remove lingering effects as they do not necessarily effect other cards but can also effect the game state itself as for example "Abyss Dweller" which has a lingering effect that prevents cards from being activated in the opponents graveyard for the rest of the turn or "True King of all Calamities" which has a lingering effect that gives all monsters a certain attribute and prevents opponents monsters with that attribute to activate their effects or attack. Both of those examples do not effect specific cards but rather the game state thus it is not possible to remove their effects via book of moon because no specific card is affected by the lingering effects so no specific copy of a card can lose its memory when being flipped face-down as a result of book of moon. Another thing I do feel like is mildly incorrect in the section about lingering card effects is that you say that you cannot negate the effect of the scapegoat tokens applied by "scapegoat" through for example "Skill Drain". All tokens with effects are normal monsters as they do not have effects themselfs but are affected by the result of a lingering effect. So tokens with effects not being able to be negated would be true but to my knowledge it is no effect if a card text says that the tokens cannot be tributed but rather a condition (which to be fair is called a "rule effect" in the OCG) to be specific a "material limitation" and because "conditions are not part of card effects" (quote from: yugioh fandom com/wiki/Condition) they cannot be negated. This means even though you are right that tokens affected by lingering effects such as Poisonous Snake Token which is summoned by the effect of "Cobra Jar" cannot be negated because of a lingering effect this ruling is not even necessary for scapegoat tokens as they merely have a condition set by a lingering effects which in and of itself is no effects and thus cannot be negated for other ruling reasons. I have to admit that my second gripe with the video is rather nitpicky as monsters whose card text solely contain conditions such as material limitations are for some for me unknown reasons treated as effect monsters like for example "Majestic Dragon" whose effect just states that it can only be used for the synchro summon of a majestic monster but still is treated as an effect monster though it has no real effects (maybe that is also the reason why conditions are called "rule effects" in the OCG). Still this nitpicking matters because your showcase of scapegoat tokens not being able to be tributed as part of your explanation of lingering effects is not really appropriate as there are plenty of monsters in the game (not only tokens or other cards affected by lingering effects) that have conditions which also cannot be negated by cards like "Skill Drain" though having nothing to do with lingering effects. In a nutshell you only explained that cards with conditions cannot be negated with "scapegoat" instead of why lingering card effect cannot be negated retroactively like you would have if you used "Cobra Jar" or a comparable card for your explanation. I hope my ramblings were somewhat cohesive and comprehensible and that I did not make any language mistakes as I am not a native speaker and also of course I hope I made no mistakes in terms of rulings as I am no judge nor a truly competetive player. So in case you can correct me on any mistakes I would greatly appreciate it, as well I want to thank you for reading this comment which became way longer than I anticipated! Also sources used for this comment are: - yugioh fandom com/wiki/Lingering_Effect - yugipedia com/wiki/Lingering_effect - yugioh fandom com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Book_of_Moon (on removing lingering effects) - yugipedia com/wiki/Cobra_Jar - yugioh fandom com/wiki/Condition - yugioh fandom com/wiki/Majestic_Dragon

[@Agentbear420]

DL: "only Vayu has this effect" Spectralsword: Am I a joke to you?

[@UltimateTomekHD]

Yeah I didn't know Spectralsword has that effect but I do know that Necroid synchro has that effect as well

[@MasterSpud]

This video has the best breakdown and easy-to-understand summery of what missing timing is, so thank you for that DuelLogs. Seriously, even the Yugioh wiki dances around the exact idea of what it is

[@RyanLaney21]

Top 10 lvl 10 monsters

[@UltimateTomekHD]

Vayu isn't the only card which can synchro summon from the graveyard, necroid synchro can also do that

[@UltimateTomekHD]

Oh yeah and Gofu can synchro summon monsters in the GY by using monsters on the field as material

[@Giratina1712]

“Vayu the emblem of honor is the only card that allows synchro summon from the graveyard” Shiranui Spectral Sword: 🙂

[@Danomis]

1:55 It activates the effects of Dark World because it doesn't say "then" in it's card text, and simply continues on to the effect without any other kind of wording to imply that it happens afterwards 1:23 It activates the effects of Dark World because these two effects happens simutaneously; even though Card Destruction reads "Both players discard as many cards as possible from their hands, *then* each player draws the same number of cards they discarded." If it uses "then", how does it happen simutaneously?

[@Tamanegi]

The discard in Card destruction is not a cost but part of the effect. The "then" part is just used to separate the two effects so they don't activate simultaneously

[@TheMegajao]

17:05 i believe that Shiranui spectral sword have the same effect as Vayu

[@auraguard0212]

"Discards as a COST" sounds like a tournament ruling made to cover Konami's ass and avoid a ton of reprintings.

[@TheEmeraldboy100]

Regarding #1, Magic solved this problem by using terms like "this card's controller" and "this card's owner".

[@jk844100]

Yugioh cards have that as well, it’s just inconsistent with the usage

[@ObbkoOG]

Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor isn't the only card that can synchro summon from the Gy, Shiranui Spectralsword can do It as well.

[@PrinceEva.Huepow]

"When" seems to specify a time whereas "if" does not seem to and just needs to happen.

[@robrick9361]

Except that's not how the word is commonly used or understood. This whole nonsense could have been avoided with keywords.

[@PrinceEva.Huepow]

@@robrick9361 Exactly

[@jracer876]

Numbers 1,2, and 3 use to be so confusing for me. Now I understand them better. Thanks for the video and clarification

[@casmcrem310199]

"Vayu the embem of honor is the only card that can synchro summon from the graveyard" Shiranui spectralsword: am i a joke to you?

[@c.c.anubis]

Spectralsword special summons, not synchro summons. For example, you can use Spectralsword to summon Ha Des, even tho Ha Des requires Plaguespreader Zombie as the tuner for this summon. So while true that there are cards that special summon, Vayu is the only one that properly synchro summons.

[@KrisG415]

I was gonna say, spectralsword has the same exact effect, it just can't be used during the turn it was sent to the GY

[@c.c.anubis]

@@KrisG415 It's not the same. Spectralsword cheats the Synchro out, Vayu properly summons it.

[@albertofranceschini8960]

​@@c.c.anubis no it doesn't, they both cheat it out.

[@tcoren1]

Santiago C makes 18:06 pretty funny

[@TheFishingNomad]

Pretty soon you'll need to be a lawyer to play this game.