How to get migration right

Governments need to find better ways of managing migration. Greater freedom of movement could make the world richer, but voters need convincing. Here's how to do it. Read more here: econ.st/35Cs1nw
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[@olbiomoiros]

5:08 I love how they made her pretend she’s typing. 😂😂😂

[@ELee65]

Κάποιος Παπακάπιου so true the screen is clearly blank, wrong angle 😂

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

They could at least have turned on the screen.

[@bindasguy3666]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Muzammil.S]

Tape on the laptop's screen edges, indicates a privacy filter.

[@SerCommander]

5:21 too

[@mihail1410]

You did not mention the Cronulla riots nor the offshore detention camps however...

[@purikurix]

Michael I heard that these shady detention camps are on Christmas Island and Nauru!?

[@Mick_Unfiltered]

purikurix they’re only manus, Nauru and Christmas...

[@ASW20kutscher]

Robert Clawson Britain (or whatever is left of it) will probably look a lot like Cuba soon, so there you go.

[@clarissagafoor5222]

This is all about migration! not asylum seekers/refugees; two very different conversations.

[@Rubylove48]

Or the systemic racism, or the unspoken acts of genocide, or the invisibility of ethnic achievers.

[@jasonmartinez9051]

Australia is a huge island (it's a continent). So, there's no need to "build a wall". At 7:19... "The fact that they're ruthlessly selective makes it easier for them to be generous..."

[@MatthewGraham027]

Yeah I don't understand how people don't get that point. It's easier when Australia or Canada has virtually zero illegal immigration due to geography to pick only a select few who are highly educated. I think we should all admit that they would feel different if they just got stuffed with whoever like Italy. It's disingenuous to compare.

[@DH-gp3gp]

This video is not giving a complete picture.

[@Saiputera]

@@MatthewGraham027 I know right Canada and Australia migrants are majority Asian(Chinese, Indian) not muslim or Mexican who lazy to work and rely on wealthfare program😂

[@kaelinabrahams6471]

@@Saiputera Hi Ryan, Australian here who has immigrants as neighbours. Due to our proud identity and reality as a multicultural nation, we have people of all faiths and colour here. Islam is our third largest national religious grouping, behind Christianity and Non-Religious. In no way does religion impact on the productivity or ethos of the citizens that make up my beautiful home, and I can positively say that I know teachers, doctors, politicians, grocers, tradies and friends of many distinct faiths. Based upon ABS data (Australian Bureau of Statistics), the largest cohort that make up our welfare system are high-schooled educated, low socio-economic white people. Proportionally (looking at their percentage as welfare recipients within their populations), white people are on the dole (welfare) than any other race. I have no doubt similar patterns could be found in Canada and New Zealand, while the US's lack of welfare (compared to us) could present greater rates of white unemployment, poverty and 'laziness' - as you describe being on welfare is. Migrants and immigrants, typically those fleeing from places of violence or discrimination, can be found to be a lot more motivated and hard-working than their nativist counterparts; due to working for a better future - while native-born whites can imaginatively become complacent and/or expecting as they grew in such security, freedom, wealth etc. Don't presume friend. Open your mind and meet people. Our perspectives are always evolving and I invite you to challenge your own

[@caseclosed9342]

Kaelin Abrahams As a Australian do you know any migrants where you live that came to Australia from the US?

[@isabelhuang_1]

My friend went to one of the best private schools in Brisbane. His teacher asked the class to raise their hands if all three generations of their family were born in Australia (them, their parents and their grandparents). Two people in a class of thirty raised their hand

[@chriswatson1698]

Which is just another way of saying that our governments have given away our inheritance. Our politicians are traitors.

[@TheSaadraza]

@@chriswatson1698 😄

[@johnjohnson-hp6hy]

It's worth bearing in mind that migration or not, Australia's resources sector would have (and did) carry our economy for 30 years. I wouldn't say that immigration is the secret to our success.

[@chriswatson1698]

Exactly so. Migrants don't increase the prices that our mineral and agricultural exports attract on world markets, but the revenue our governments get for our exports is more thinly spread, the more migrants we take. And that revenue gets spent on infrastructure for the recently arrived foreigners which means less for our own retired people.

[@Sean-ll5cm]

@@chriswatson1698 You have no idea how the economy works, do you?

[@chriswatson1698]

@@Sean-ll5cm You aren't able to offer a counter argument are you? The ignorance is yours.

[@Munyabrwn]

The skills to exploit those resources were outsourced.

[@jonathanjeffrymulyana4390]

No, there is definitely immigrant with mining engineering degree that help boosted the production.

[@asonesson]

How to get migration right like Australia? - Become an island

[@hansdieter6058]

They don't get it right, this video is only showing one aspect how companies and the government should benefit and exploit migrants. Australia sends migrants they find in the Australian maritime zone to detention camps on nearby islands

[@Sean-ll5cm]

@@hansdieter6058 Yes, and as the world has seen, offshore processing has greatly reduced human trafficking and a whole lot of ocean drownings. Many of these people just cry abuse because they want in now (and I don't blame them), but that's not how we operate, because if you don't vet and process them properly, you create problems for the people already here

[@jdlc903]

That makes no sense

[@GK-op4oc]

This is demographic replacement of Europeans. China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and even India are economies that modernized and grew with zero immigration and thus zero dilution of the builder poulation

[@jonahkhalley]

This paints an overly rosy picture of what is happening in Australia, perhaps look further into the true motives behind taking in immigrants such as propping up our lazy economy, making foreign students spend millions to get educated i.e. only letting in rich immigrants, and inflating the housing market beyond what my generation and younger will be able to afford for a very long time. The next decade or so will be the denouement, let's hope it's just as rosy as the onset.

[@krunkle5136]

Not rich immigrants, but better educated immigrants are much better than otherwise.

[@annabelle2760]

You should look up Eric Weinsten and his debunking of immigration and how it's used as a tool to the detriment of the middle class while also exploiting the vulnerable immigrant population.

[@jakomean]

@@annabelle2760 Eric Weinstein is a joke xD

[@chriswatson1698]

The students aren't coming for education. They come for the student visas that allow them to work in Australia, with the hope of getting permanent residency, followed by citizenship. Our government is propping up the education sector by allowing the universities to sell the promise of Australian citizenship to foreigners. Getting permanent residency in Australia is like hitting the jackpot.

[@emileigh6524]

So Canada lol

[@np4029]

0:20 The world GDP might double, but it will still be concentrated in the places people are migrating to. Unrestricted migration is a neoliberal solution, and is considered to be humanitarian enough to avoid addressing the broader economic issues that face less developed nations.

[@jackson7962]

GDP is apparently the only thing that matters to these neo liberals. And it's why the will loose.

[@dougpatterson7494]

Let's assume the models the "doubling of global GDP" claim is based on are accurate. With that given would it be a net gain for global standard of living? I have strong doubts. I am not opposed to immigration. I am a son of an immigrant to Canada. This said it would be better to empower people in poor countries to improve their situations rather than encourage the "best" to emigrate to wealthier countries.

[@np4029]

@@dougpatterson7494 The claim of doubling world GDP is also a lot more impressive than it seems. If someone migrates to a more developed nation and maintains the same standard of living they had before there will still be a boost to world GDP. It simply requires more money to sustain a person in a more developed economy. This isn't to diminish the fact that a person is likely to enjoy more economic opportunities by migrating but to remove some of the hyperbole from the claim.

[@jerommaat7789]

I hope this becomes the top comment!

[@maloresoc2207]

Remittances will help the countries migrants are migrating from. Currently, remittances are already three times the amount of foreign aid.

[@MyUrbanExplorationOnline]

Yes, but what is not covered is that in the terms of buying a house, building road's and rail, and the overall cost of living here in Australia is one of the, if not the most expensive in the OECD world.

[@chriswatson1698]

Agreed. Immigrants increase the need for housing and they have pushed up the price and value of land in our cities, so that younger Australians must pay more and more for less and less living space. This video is by 'The Economist' which has a readership of the rich, who own land and stand to profit from higher housing prices and lower wages.

[@konstantindufnik696]

If I move to Australia, how do I make sure I dont fall into the sky?

[@jeffsimon3026]

😂

[@MrCordycep]

Cling to an emu.

[@chriswatson1698]

Walk around on your hands.

[@dipeshgrg7685]

use chain

[@011azr]

Flat earthers would use this as a proof that earth is really flat

[@jocosus3]

"The rules in America are particularly baffling" - that applies to SO much about life in the U.S.

[@JoshTizza1]

Too many people living in Sydney and Melbourne these days. The infrastructure can’t keep up.

[@Azknowledgethirsty]

Really, those tiny cities? With kilometers of wilderness ready to be transformed into skyscrapers? Those cities can't grow?

[@chriswatson1698]

@@Azknowledgethirsty 60% of Australia is classified as arid. The cities are on the coasts and the only way to grow them is to build up or out. Both options are a drop in living standard. Immigration is ruining Australia. Suburbs that were once leafy are being covered over by human termite mounds made of concrete and glass. Our precious, rare, wildlife species are under threat of extinction from habitat loss and agricultural land is being covered over by roofs and asphalt.

[@shawtyyy3549]

@Chris Watson Not its not, immigration is essential for Australias economy. If your way becomes true, Australia is doomed. Comapnies will struggle to find employees, large multinational buisnesses like Apple, Toyota etc will leave (because they will think Australia is racist + international backlash).

[@whatthe6532]

WorldWide You Aussies are being duped. You have had no recession on a national GDP basis but on a GDP per person you have had periods were you got poorer. That fact masked by increased population. Lot more people but a only slightly larger pie.

[@chriswatson1698]

Not so. Australia will become a better place. Our government drastically increased our immigration intake, and as a result, the car manufacturing industry closed down.

[@leifharmsen]

I love Australia but it has run out of reliable water and is on fire.

[@amdl270]

And cost of living / housing cost

[@chriswatson1698]

@Alternative View The laws of supply and demand determine the price of housing, just the same as everything else. Australia's population increase is mostly immigrants. Immigration increases the demand for land within urban areas, pushing up the value and cost of every square metre of urban land. This is great for the property speculators/investors who make a huge capital gain when they sell, but the younger members of the community must pay more and more for less and less living space. The readers of 'The Economist' fall into the former category. The property investors/speculators who are making a profit from population increase, need this propaganda video to reassure themselves that their own personal self interest is also the national interest. It isn't.

[@shockwave2291]

Can confirm, we are currently on fire.

[@brockellis6721]

​@@amdl270 Even accounting for the high cost of living, the average wage/salary still gets you more than pretty much anywhere else in the world. Cost of living is high, but average incomes are higher relatively speaking

[@keonikuoha]

What about the brain-drain in those countries from which migrants come? And the cultural impact of migration on all countries involved is seriously understated in this video.

[@jordan4526]

You guys didn’t really mention any negatives immigration has had in Australia. Also the immigration into Australia is different to America and Europe, ours is predominately from Asia not the Middle East....

[@phenny100]

Neither from the Middle East nor from Latin America. I mean ... Asia has potential to become a large superpower whereas Latin America and Africa are large dumpsters. In short, Australia imports potential while the US and Europe import a pile of trash

[@fly7718]

@@phenny100 Ok Jorge

[@nl5455]

@@fly7718 Ok Fly

[@fly7718]

@@nl5455 Horrible and late response. Try again.

[@nl5455]

@@fly7718 Ok Fly

[@4Distractiononly]

It seems to me that this video may misrepresent how Australia gets immigration wrong and that strategies in their case may be less important that other factors they didn't touch on. Such as the fact that they are in a completely different situation than either European nations or North American geographically. However, as much as I wish this was a more thoughtful and accurate representation, I do think it's a valuable discussion. We have to develop ideas and policies to deal with migration even if they unique to every country because it's not a problem that will go away. If we think we can, as a world population, close borders and shut out refugees and immigrants as a solution we will be putting ourselves in even worse positions. No country and their economic developments, place in politics and trade can be morally or practically isolated in this day and age. There will be consequences and growing pains regardless. It's going to be a project with difficulties and that's the reality.

[@arminvanbuuren883]

Lol Australia isn't economically succesful because of migrants, it's just that with the huge and rapid growth of China, Australia has benefited a lot by providing raw mined materials for China. It's a position that is very unstable in the long run, because it is overdependent on another country's huge demand for non-renewable fossils.

[@mihail1410]

They did not say that it was all because of migrants, they said migrants played a part, listen ...

[@h3k27ac]

Correct. This video completely ignores Australia's close proximity and relationship with China.

[@arminvanbuuren883]

@@mihail1410 How did they play a part?? They never explained... Australia is a place newly founded with lots and lots of empty land. Europe is the exact opposite of that and that's why the Australian model would have no effect in the West. They like to show glowing examples of economic migrants who are well educated and already financially stable. But like 95 percent of the people that come to Europe have no means of helping the European countries. They're just a huge extra burden on the taxpayer's pockets.

[@mihail1410]

thanoszev they get jobs , pay bills , buy stuff , open businesses, you can’t see that cos all u see is migrants and you immediately think job stealers and centre link , but that’s not the truth , migrants put more into the economy than what they take out

[@arminvanbuuren883]

@@mihail1410 You still don't understand that economies like Australia or the US are way different than small European countries. The migrants aren't stealing our jobs, cause there aren't any jobs for their qualifications left. Europe has become a highly demanding place for a working person to live at because the competition is just too high. Blue collar jobs like the ones that these migrants will want to fill just aren't available in this continent.

[@eugenerider0701]

Economist is extremely humanitarian on this subject, which I highly applaud for. I'm just going to add some salt in here to not make things more complicated. Migration should be selected based on how well a migrant performs in the country and how well he integrates into the society. You don't want humanitarian crisis happening in Europe right now as massive amount of migrants entering their countries and forming their own distinct community that takes away unity from nationals.

[@Talkless142]

This video is a joke it omitted so many key things looks like an ad for skilled migrants

[@malcolmmutambanengwe3453]

What "key things" did they omit? Do share.

[@peteradaniel]

Malcolm Mutambanengwe population density

[@TuringTrail547]

@@malcolmmutambanengwe3453 entry level would be one. Foreign students studying in Australian universities. The person shown in the video she is a project manager which is so high up in the hierarchy. What about the mid tier ones ? Any company would be glad to hire a project manager, even companies in US would but others would face difficulty finding jobs. They truly are ruthlessly selective. Which by the way not shown in the video.

[@chriswatson1698]

This video looks like capitalist propaganda. It expresses only the interests of foreigners and businessmen in Australia, who want more people to sell stuff to and to keep wages down. Which they have succeeded in doing. Australian wages have been stagnant for years.

[@Talkless142]

@@chriswatson1698 also productivity hasn’t improved in the Australian work place I am talking about private sector here .. public sector we don’t even need to talk

[@songhyuntube3333]

What they have shown in this film could be the future of South Korea because of the low birth rate.

[@BeaverChainsaw]

And japan!

[@Stoneface_]

SongHyunTube cool. I’m learning Korean and move there but why aren’t having babies? I’m from the USA btw!

[@vance900]

Not for me, I plan to move in to U.A.E lol

[@jdlc903]

Don't ruin south Korea with open immigration

[@rlymimdful]

I seriously doubt that, searching "Christmas Island" and you'll see how they "deal" with it...

[@hansdieter6058]

This video is really bad and for me it's sounds a bit like fake news, because they oversimplify facts, because the GDP growth in Australia has nothing to do with migration, but of the massive influence of China and they miss completly the humanitarian side of migration

[@MrGrapesniffer]

"If you watch the news" ... Said the news

[@krombopulos_michael]

The Economist isn't really the news. It's a magazine focused on opinion and analysis, they don't really do any original reporting.

[@TheModernRival]

You’ve totally missed the impact on the countries these highly skilled people are migrating from. Now the poor country is getting poorer and the richer richer. Is that really positive,

[@haroldinho9930]

They’re seeking help. The old country will just have no people to be poor.

[@clownpenisfart]

Thank Gawd Australia doesn't have those horrible refugee concentration camps that violated human rights anymore. That would really ding their immigration policy record...

[@chriswatson1698]

Australia has never had refugee concentration camps. The invaders (asylum seekers) are fed and housed and are free to leave at any time to any place in the world that will take them, just not Australia.

[@Tryingtobeatechie]

I get a very bias tone from this video

[@aproudsjw9640]

For me personally, it feels ironic to learn about the openness of Australia, as I am currently struggling to get an Australian visa...

[@TheCJUN]

The Australian formula is undoubtedly more sustainable than that of Sweden, Germany, UK, France etc.

[@r3dp1ll]

I live in France. This wonderful country is being destroyed

[@john10000ish]

Europe has no formula, it's doomed.

[@DasGrosseFressen]

You're a bunch of scared sissies...

[@jackson7962]

@@DasGrosseFressen letting in non white 3rd worlders is only destructive to white European societies.

[@hansdieter6058]

Seeyay Australia has it far more easy and this video doesn't show how Autralia deals with illegal migrants. We Europeans have more difficult with no easy borderlines and many conflict zones in the neighborhood

[@cole4236]

As an Australian I can tell you that this migrant utopia they're presenting is false. Our cost of living especially house prices are through the roof, not to mention our infrastructure is just no coping from the large migration intake. The elites and big business are the only ones that benefit. Buying a house in Melbourne or Sydney has become a pipe dream for the average Australian!

[@krombopulos_michael]

So live in other cities. There's more places to live than just Melbourne and Sydney.

[@cole4236]

@@krombopulos_michael Most of the jobs are in Melbourne & Sydney. So your plan is to live somewhere else and commute for hours everyday?

[@hollyyates554]

Just accept it bigot

[@salokin3087]

The immigration rate have little impact on housing prices

[@salokin3087]

Numerpus regional cities such as toowoomba and Liverpool are where migrants move too more than preexisitng neighbourhoods

[@Nosekname]

8:35 Migrants do drive wage down, I'm from a country where happen to be the located in a region where a current migrant or refugee crisis is taking place in levels of wars (there's no war in that nation where those migrants come from but they left their country like refugees ) and millions of people had fled that country, and my country has received hundreds of thousands of them. Now a disclaimer, I'm not racist or xenophobic, the migrants who filling in, speak the same language and have the same culture of my nation, (religion, opinions... they are western as us) I am friends with many of them, but they are driving wages down, specialist in the non-formal labor market, they work for cheaper than nationals, because they are coming with almost nothing. There is disruption when new people start pouring into another border where they wield a weight in the social system, stop denying that, migrants do change the landscape. Is truth the economy grow when new people come in, you got it right there.

[@InonoYazy]

It means only that goverment should regulate better the salaries of migrants, so they receive same wage

[@chriswatson1698]

A growing economy doesn't necessarily mean greater prosperity for the bulk of the population. People can even get wealthier in terms of money, but even without inflation, their quality of life is reduced.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

@@InonoYazy They mostly do receive the same wage. But that doesn't stop them from driving the wages down. Just by entering the labor market they're shifting the labor supply curve to the right. That brings the equilibrium price down.

[@phenny100]

The same happened in Panama when Venezuelan immigrants moved there massively. Another problem it caused is huge increases of property prices in Panama City because 1) there was too much demand and 2) corrupt government officials laundered money by purchasing luxury property.

[@russelfurtado7206]

Wow! A lot made more sense now!

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

Australia has super-high housing prices and population growth is obviously a big part of that. It's a stretch to say they're an example of high levels of migration "working".

[@zacnewman7991]

It is working.... property argument is just made up by nationalists who have refused to adapt. I’m working and I’m uni and my partner is an apprentice and we’re looking to buy an investment property in addition to our PPOR. It’s not exactly where we want to live but people must adapt not all of us can live in a McMansion on the beach while a few minutes to the city centre. The Geography for that simply does not allow for 5 million people to have that . Also no help from parents with either property btw. Just hard work and frugality as well as smart investment. Australians just need to return to a culture of working hard which is lost in my generations and recent generations while also working smarter and looking at what’s needed in the world, not complaining that their xyz indie venture has failed because of the system.

[@ivanpb1983]

I love the comments like "Oh, this enters in conflict with my beliefs -I must reject it."

[@emanuele6555]

Normally I like your videos but with this one I don't agree. Immigration in Australia is just for high skilled People ( with experience of course) or if you want to get a visa you need to have a sponsor in a particular job sector that may not be for you (a lot of entry job are not allowed to enter in the country as the priority is given to the locals) If you want to invest you need to have few hundred thousands of dollar and if you want to open an activity you have to hire more Australian than foreign. So yes immigration in Australia is very controlled and if you are nobody and you want to build your future there is difficult to get in. For my point of view only a small niche succeed to get the visa.

[@RMatt2016]

Unrestricted migration may double the GDP but it may likely lead to great inequality and disparity between two groups or more.

[@howto7755]

Rohit Æ that’s true, I’m pretty sure the migration system in Australia is slanted towards high skilled immigration so higher wages are pushed down whilst demand for lower wages increases.

[@ahmednadim5859]

Of course someone in the first world will only care the inequality within nations but the inequality between nations

[@AkshayMattu]

What’s the music that starts playing in the background from 4:19? It’s so calming and nice 😊

[@osharedayz3762]

no way; this totally ignores local economy & context! Australia is heavily lacking in 'skilled' workers! In our hometown migration (mostly Indian) has driven cost of living up so much so that local folks not in IT can no longer afford to live in their homes! Another issue is not all migrants uphold local norms & customs; at times it feels like driving in New Dehli around here!

[@oyuyuy]

Only inviting the people you can profit the most from isn't what I would call _'generous'_

[@chriswatson1698]

Why should Australians give away the wealth that our ancestors have left for us? Migration doesn't make the world richer. It just makes migrants richer and the already wealthy people in the host countries richer. The very real costs of population increase are carried by the whole community, especially the younger and poorer members of it. This video is propaganda. Its aim is to con Australians into thinking that our country will be richer if we give away our inheritance to foreigners.

[@phenny100]

Australia want neither poor immigrants who can become a burden on taxpayers nor wealthy individuals who believe they have all rights in the country because they have money. They want immigrants who contribute to the development of the country. The United States' policy has been designed to keep on saying: "Welcome to the USA. The land of opportunity for anyone and everyone"

[@avo5499]

This feel rather biased. Every second uber driver I met in Sydney and Melbourne are an engineer migrant who could not find an engineering job after they've moved, to say that Australia has done it right is rather turning a blind eye to a lot of things.

[@thebestevertherewas]

What? You do you know that Unemployment rate for recent legal migrants ( males) is about half of the "Native Population" of Australia. Not to mention the earnings of Australian College Education Industry, is a significant part of Australia's GDP. In fact , it's the highest GDP contribution of that industry per capita. Imo Australia is getting a lot of those things right, but it should include a " English Proficiency Test" similar to what Germany has.

[@avo5499]

@@thebestevertherewas my point was that a lot of people migrate but there are no positions available for them to actually work in their profession, and they end up doing labor work wasting their talent, if they work at all. Which, as you've pointed out, means the unemployment rate is higher amongst migrants. I dont think it's completely a language problem, but I suppose employers just prefer hiring people who are of similar cultures and don't have visa complications to deal with. I say this as a migrant myself- its easier for me since I grew up in nz and well there isn't a huge cultural gap besides the fact that im Asian and have my magic quirks, but its not so simple straightforward for people who are raised in vastly different cultures. When i say Australia is not really doing it right, i dont mean it as an attack on what Australia is, but i mean exactly what the words say- Australia is not really doing it right. If half of the skill immigrants are not using their skills or cannot use their skills, something is not working. Admittedly this is not just an Australian problem, its a world village era problem similar to, say, the life for an American migrant in Japan. Germany does have a language requirement for most of the visas/resident permits, but not generally if you already have a job offer, or if you are applying for a language course visa. I think that's quite fair. As far as I know, Australia also has language requirements for students and workers, but not for people who are moving due to marriage. Except for marriage, I imagine it to be not too different

[@darktealglasses]

Thank you for this analysis

[@gillowens24]

You learn something new everyday

[@hansdieter6058]

But not in this video

[@jackb5708]

Oh yes. So successful. Wages are stagnant due to over demand for employment and growth has stilted. This video appears to be propaganda on behalf of big business. Funnily enough you can't migrate for example to Thailand and work there because you would be taking someones job.

[@yujia2667]

amazingly done!

[@uteen.pun.magarni]

👏i guess so.

[@SxPs77]

Make the immigrant who comes from a POOR country and who EARNS LESS than a local pay MORE TAXES, that seems pretty FAIR ...

[@arxdeath773]

Jorge A. Guerrero That sounds great, charge higher taxes to the people who earn the least.

[@SxPs77]

arxdeath back to medieval times 🏰 ⚔️ 🛡

[@andreisharmin6444]

Control borders and selective visa, sounds... not nicely for left-peoples. Very sunny score system for migrants and free beautiful border control - better now.

[@mooael3796]

Open borders would be lit

[@joshmellott8013]

Take in 3 times as many immigrants per year. Sounds left wing

[@carlbyronrodgers]

What happens when they want to change the law they live by based on religion and how should the natives feel about it. Australia can not be used as an example for Europe.

[@gowthampitchuka758]

Australian companies don't value global work experience, they are obsessed with local work experience. Wish they are open as Global MNC's. I agree with the fact that employers should be able to choose their candidates.

[@chrisjin6094]

Australia’s success is due to its geographical advantage in that it doesn’t have a poor neighbor to share a boarder. Same as Canada.

[@nicholaslowick3381]

The problem with this point based system is that if you look at South Africa we are losing all of our professionals and the economy is suffering

[@MohamedAhmed-yf6wp]

south African have way bigger problems then losing professionals ... more to do with corruption and very high wealth gap and untrained youth.

[@Devianto]

PRECISELY! That's the point. It's how places like Australia ensure the places migrants originate from stay poor... Thus the great circle continues. Australia's migration policies are among the most destructive and exploitative in the world...

[@darthutah6649]

As it turns out, if immigration is a boon to any country which receives it, it naturally follows that emigration is a curse to any country suffering from it.

[@Devianto]

@@darthutah6649 Eb and flow. Unfortunately we've created a system where it only flows one way.

[@timp3931]

I am from Canada. My Dr. is South African.

[@IR19881]

Australia was quite harsh with refugees tho. You gotta remember that too.

[@chriswatson1698]

No Australia is overly generous to refugees. We resettle tens of thousands of them permanently every year, more per capita than other countries who merely host them. Remember that Australia supports many refugee camps through the UNHCR. If the rest of the world had been doing what Australia has been doing for the last 40 years, keeping their fertility down to fewer than 2 children per woman, there would be NO world refugee crisis. You can't displace people who have never been conceived. It is unreasonable for people to have large families then demand protection when the fighting breaks out. Warfare and migration are symptoms of over population.

[@misterlinux9290]

@@chriswatson1698 detention camps, just saying (ez being strong with the poor)

[@anthonyscully2998]

show both sides! ilive in melbourne. what about the problems in suburbs such as dandenong , noble park and springvale

[@Opochtli]

I've been asking the same thing

[@chriswatson1698]

I am an Australian and I don't feel that our government is in control of immigration at all. Our earth is overpopulated. The lifestyle of many Australians has been adversely affected by population increase. Australian is a demonstration of the harm that immigration can cause.

[@CesarGonzalez-iz6wx]

In Australia selective immigration is a possibility because it is an island. In other countries like in the US or Mexico, selective immigration looks really bad because it has to include physical barriers and a lot of policing to stop uncontrolled illegal immigration on foot. And there is no way to do that without looking like a bigot. Australia’s unique circumstances allow them to do that.

[@fedor6514]

While letting people work where they want could technically raise the economy, any country's local population might not enjoy to work with people who dont know how to speak their language and have very different cultural or religious preferences.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Australia grows on resource extraction and housing prices, growing exponentially. As soon as migration stops fueling those they are utterly useless relatively compared to everything else.

[@tronwars7130]

As for the comment Australia show's or is leading the way, this is false, it's the federal government wanting high immigration because of a failing economy, wage erosion has also been shown because of high immigration and all sort of social tensions are building in Australia.

[@misshisokapaints109]

And which immigrants are those because most of the immigrants are from European countires?

[@Stoneface_]

Miss Hisoka Paints which European countries?

[@misshisokapaints109]

@@Stoneface_ The uk, italy, greece and germany

[@chriswatson1698]

@@misshisokapaints109 Most immigrants used to come from European countries but that hasn't been the case for many years now.

[@misshisokapaints109]

@@chriswatson1698 who cares? We're all legal immigrants. And it's natural that people from Asia would move here, we're literally in the pacific. And those are the countries with the largest world populations. I'm 100% for immigration because i am an immigrant.

[@jomolololo4398]

They have a problem with the chinese a big geopolitical one .

[@Tobacc0]

The infrastructure cost to cope with the current intake of immigrants is staggering. 200 new schools are estimated to be required in Sydney alone. Short term juicing of growth by bringing in 100,000's a year is just kicking the can down the road. There's no way to pay for it.

[@Oceanofsand1981]

The statement that "letting more people in" or "letting people work where they want" will increase GDP has many flaws. In Costa Rica the towns and cities that attracted tourism and industry increased local life standards but inmediately it was followed by criminals moving in and taking over. It happened over and over again, place after place followed the same patern. Without government control and without regulations that movement of people becames a free for all that is detrimental.

[@VincentNajger1]

Geez....maybe ask an average person on the street in Australia. We are in the worst economic state, for the average person, than we have ever been....underemployment is rife and people are NOT happy. Not happy is an understatement....furious is accurate. The mining boom is over and whats left uses mostly subsidised temporary employees from overseas, and the money goes home with them. We have shipped almost all of our manufacturing overseas and what's left of our manufacturing sector is shrinking fast. We have a services industry.....where ypu can be woefully underemployed and thankful you aren't on unemployment benefits. Australia is not what it was and the economic miracle has long passed into dream (that's the reality on the ground....not what you see in the cooked books). When I was 25, every person I knew had a job and every person my father knew had a job. Now, at 43..I have ONE friend with Full Time employment. My 25 year old daughter's friends from school are ALL unemployed...every single one. So.....Wow...... propaganda much?

[@misshisokapaints109]

Yes but we're still better off than a lot of the world. And that has nothing to do with immigration. It's about the libral governement not looking after our industry and workers

[@daveheya4097]

@@pwnageshow2549 Jesus, it's Singapore*

[@chriswatson1698]

@@misshisokapaints109 Bringing in foreigners to compete with us, is hardly looking after Australian workers.

[@misshisokapaints109]

@@chriswatson1698 i'm foreign. I compete so what. This country was founded by illegal immigration. At least i came here legally, i have a job, i pay taxes, my parents own a home, multiple cars, and i pay my school fees upfront every year. I'm investing heavily in this country. I think maybe "Australians" who blame others for the issues caused by the governments they elect eg: the LIBS, should be more politically aware. I think the government has just put Australian citizens (immigrants or not) in a bad position.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@misshisokapaints109 No the country was not founded by illegal immigration. There was no differentiation in the 1700s. And those who did found the country are entitled to have what they have built, go to their own descendants, not to the Johnny-Come-Latelies who haven't done the hard yards of building a nation. You are like a burglar, moving into someone else's home.

[@yanssantos]

I am a migrant that moved from Brazil to Australia and this video is an absolute joke! No one has talked about how wages were stagnant for 20 years while rent and house prices have sky rocket and life for Australians have become harder and harder every year ... I left Australia because living in Bondi has become a nightmare after all of the Asian invaded Sydney

[@mjenks85]

Seems nobody wants to hear the negatives. In the US my taxes in the suburbs have tripled. My monthly taxes exceed my monthly mortgage. They are makeing us poor and these people coming in are living better then the working class. Nobody can find reliable skilled workers for production. I look back ten years ago and asked what happened? I was looking at jobs in Brazil as I may be better off going there

[@rapitup45]

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@MongolPride1206]

Who some people cannot admit that they are just simply nationalists. I am. As long as you are not from immigrant countries like USA or Australia, why is it offensive to be a nationalist?

[@chriswatson1698]

Why is it offensive for Australians to be nationalist? Unlike modern migrants, the first British settlers did not sail into an established country with infrastructure and institutions in plac, to get a share of the wealth that the citizens of another country had built. They built Australia from scratch. Migrants don't come here to get a share of anything the Aborigines built. They want a slice of the white man's wealth.

[@MongolPride1206]

@@chriswatson1698 This is the main issue to proclaim nationalism in immigrant countries. Yes, some europeans built prosperous colonies, especially anglo-countries who had more inclusive governments than of hispanics. However, the land was nevertheless subjugated by force from another group of humans. Therefore, the land is still a conquered one and cannot be claimed as an ancestral land. According to your idea, if any group of people have superior economic and military development at that time, they have a right to conquer and claim the land. Then, would you agree that if in 20 years China will have superior technology and economy, it will give them right to invade Australia to build a more advanced nation?

[@kerankerai7872]

Australia has close to 5 percent immigration per year. Higher than most counties but the difference is the skill gap.

[@chriswatson1698]

Our university graduates are forced to compete with foreign university graduates who have studied at Australian universities. Our government is selling permanent residency in Australia for the price of a university degree. That's cheap.

[@cf5914]

When you're young, sweets are yummy. When you get older, suddenly they start to cause health problems. The point is, countries evolve overtime. A young, fairly empty country will vastly benefit from immigration. As countries mature, do they still benefit in the same way? With this in mind, are Australia and the U.S. or the U.K. really comparable?

[@darthutah6649]

The US and Australia are still fairly empty.

[@JustinIsOnTheTube]

No mention if Nauro? Garbage reporting

[@isaacannanjr2371]

I think the term globalist sounds better

[@rn8427]

Many of the migrants in Australia are from New Zealand and the UK, not impoverished African banana republics

[@GGG9924]

She calls herself a “Global Person” the lack of Patriotism is alarming. Australia should be full of proud Australians not “Global Persons”

[@r3dp1ll]

what's the problem ? She's educated and will bring you taxes

[@GGG9924]

kotov dot in Ill stay in the country my forefathers died and sacrificed for mate, not going anywhere

[@alongsleep]

Amen to that.

[@OvenBakedCookie]

Why not call them EXPATS instead of migrants?

[@daisuke910]

Expatriate usually just work in another country for a certain period and go back home after. How long of a period i dont know. But usually when you work after a certain period in another country, you can apply indefinite leave to remain or permanent resident.

[@indrinita]

Bingo. White people are so triggered by immigration that when they themselves are immigrants or migrants, they insist on being called "expats" to differentiate themselves as superior to all the brown "migrants".

[@chriswatson1698]

'Expat' is from the point of view of people in the country that is being left. Migrant is the point of view of the destination country. If I go to the UK, Australians will refer to me as an expat. The Brits will call me a migrant.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

Expats are less permanent. They're normally there for a temporary work detail. Or sometimes for retirement. But they're normally not looking to change their citizenship or the citizenship of their children like migrants are.

[@thangshy1255]

Chinese people also account for a large number of migrant

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

The Economist seems to conceptualise their entire report through the lens of economic growth. However, a lot of the people in the anti-immigration camp seem to be more concerned with societal cohesion and stability, which isn't really addressed by this piece at all. I'm not sure that making the argument that selective immigration promotes economic growth will be successful in Europe, for instance.

[@phenny100]

The problem with Europe is that, with or without immigrants, the continent's growth rate has remained stagnant because of a bunch of regulations the European Union has imposed on those countries, which are by the way part of the reasons Brexit happened. Also Europe's immigration policy is focused on preserving their culture and identity as well as making sure those incoming migrants do the same. Skills are not enough and assimilation is a key component of Europe's migration policy.

[@wongnaichungrd]

Australia have had a number of recessions they have just covered up the poor economic growth/productivity by growing the economy through immigration. Low hanging fruit! It’s really a bit of a Ponzi scheme and addictive! Where do you set the limits? I’m sure billions of people would love to immigrate down under. It’s more than just different languages and food to make it truely work!

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

I was so on board until 2:06

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

@@devilsadvocate7059 because she says she wouldn't call herself migrant

[@krombopulos_michael]

@@sebastian-benedictflore she also says she knows that she actually is a migrant, just that the literal meaning of the word and the social meaning of it aren't always the same.

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

@@krombopulos_michael yes, I watched the video. Point is, there is a dictionary definition. Call yourself what you are.

[@MelvinJ64]

@@krombopulos_michael She's in denial. She's a migrant who ran away from her home Country. Just like millions of other Indians do to better developed nations. Own it. It is what you are. End.

[@ARNABOSS]

you are talking about legal immigration, not illegal infiltrators who are kept at bay in offshore islands

[@toady7741]

Well, Mother Nature is striking back at overpopulation and materialism with drought, forest fires, floods. And just when things couldn't get any worse, covid-19.

[@nakedshadows]

I’m impressed by how well thought out this segment was

[@MrSifaperdire]

the immigration many european people are against is not the kind of immigration that australia has

[@tmorid3]

What place is it on 0:28?

[@vance900]

What should I do if I plan to settle into UAE lol?

[@francescoazzoni3445]

Very interesting and surely an inspiring model, although I've some reservations about the possibility to apply it in Europe. In Australia most of the migrants come from second world countries: India, ASEAN, China who are poor but have a government, education, etc... So it's easy to select those that enter or not. In europe most migrants come from east (Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, etc...) where the border is even more difficult to control than the US southern border and from the Mediterranean where it's even more difficult to decide who has the right to enter, to control who's arrived and send them back as people just arrive, often undetected until they reach the coast.

[@chrisanderson7820]

The actual problems with migration in Australia have nothing to do with the migrants themselves. The problem is it's being used (as someone mentioned) to disguise a VERY lazy economy and there is ZERO planning around infrastructure and water/energy resources to support this increase in population. Double Sydney's population!!!! Great, how's the housing/power/water/sewage/transport going to manage that? The way it manages is that everything just becomes twice as expensive or twice as congested (for the locals and the migrants so no one wins). They solve housing by converting the entire city into high-rise slums packed shoulder to shoulder. Concerns about migration aren't really about race or culture (mostly), they are about non-existent government planning. I see a lot of videos on the Economist regarding Australia and they are all pretty much the view of a someone superficially sweeping over the place with a telescope or only examining extremely short timeframes. Examine the nuance and long breadth of history and you'll find plenty of uncomfortable explanations for our supposedly amazing economy.

[@stan-du5sw]

Confused, didn't know aboriginals had a real migration policy?

[@malikaalibdat7079]

Andrew Olson And that makes it okay for European colonisers. You made things a lot better for them, didn’t you?

[@alexanderforsman2166]

This paints a very rosy picture, but doesn't mention those permanent residents to Australia will never get citizenship. So the government will gladly tax you more while you contribute to their economy, yet you can't get a mortgage for a home or a student loan to up skill, or apply for welfare if something goes wrong, like redundancy due to a pandemic. They even treat New Zealanders like second class citizens.

[@akuasally]

This video makes immigration to Australia look more glossier than reality.

[@chriswatson1698]

It is propaganda, pretending that the interests of foreigners and the Australian wealthy, are the interests of all Australians.

[@MongolPride1206]

@@chriswatson1698 Yeah they forgot to consider interests of bogans

[@ajpatel6753]

This is rather biased for a supposedly reputable organization.

[@M.V6969]

I Know!!

[@alaskangirl7475]

It's not reputable. Anything that is an aspect of Rothschild is never reputable always an agenda, always!

[@josephlynch7655]

The Economist has never pretended to be a neutral organization.

[@NahedElrayes]

Guess journalists shouldn't have any opinion about anything ever.

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

Lemme guess, it's only "biased" because you disagree

[@lifesymphony2024]

Who is migrating to Malaysia?? For what??

[@ourherojonathan175]

I don't understand why president Trump's photo was used when talking about fear mongering while he was only proposing the same policy of letting skilled people enter the country and not just everyone who can reach the border.

[@vlado2701]

Thank You dear The Economist for Your relevant report ! I'm immensely grateful !

[@chriswatson1698]

This video is a load of propaganda pushing the interests of foreigners and those already rich in Australia. Immigration is ruining Australia. Our GDP per capita is dropping. We have increased homelessness. Our wildlife treasures are under threat of extinction. Our once-lovely cities are congested and leafy suburbs are being covered over with blocks of flats. But capitalists and real estate speculators are doing well. So are the construction companies who are making a profit off ALL Australian taxpayers, building infrastructure for the newly arrived foreigners.

[@vlado2701]

@@chriswatson1698 Thank You dear Chris for Your detailed answer and Your opinion : I appreciate Your concern. Let this day smile at You ! My heartfelt thanks for Your attantion !

[@chriswatson1698]

@@Devianto What evidence do you have that Gina pays no tax? Immigrants ARE responsible for increased housing costs. More tax from Gina wouldn't make housing cheaper. More tax from corporations won't lessen the threat of wildlife extinctions.

[@Nanix1991]

It is not only about money. Preserving your culture is priceless

[@AvgJane19]

The vast majority of migrants assimilate.

[@daveheya4097]

Lol, Australia is a young nation. They have almost no culture.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@daveheya4097 Australia was founded and populated by the British and Europeans. Our culture, until the 1970s was western European. Just because the nation is young, doesn't mean our culture is.

[@phenny100]

@@AvgJane19 Sorry but I think you should go to France, Germany and the UK (especially to Eastern London)

[@alongsleep]

@@daveheya4097 That's nonsense, were a British country.

[@e1n17g13l1i14sh]

What about the detention centers on small islands?

[@hansdieter6058]

This video is propaganda and it's only fixed how companies can benefit from migrants and don't show the humanitarian aspect of migration and how a society has to deal/can benefit from migrantion and their cultures

[@chriswatson1698]

This video is certainly propaganda and dishonest. It doesn't show how the incumbent population is adversely affected by the increase in population.

[@guillaumeduclouet819]

The Economist has always been making the case for immigration, insisting, over the past few years, on the economic benefits provided by waves of shrewd and daring migrants. I will not discuss the fact that immigrants may bring with them an entrepreneurial spirit and, in some cases, great technical skills that could be useful to the home country. Neither will I question the fact that bringing in low-skilled immigrants is such a bane for highschool graduates. However, it's not about the economy, love! Having the choice to enjoy Indian food or Chinese delicacies is fun, but a community it doesn't make. Indeed, as the much-cited, but rarely (or poorly) read Paul Collier underlines in his thoughtful book, Exodus, "the greater the proportion of immigrants in a community, the lower are mutual levels of trust between immigrants and the indigenous population. In other words, far from proximity leading to greater mutual understanding, it leads to heightened mutual suspicion." Quoting Robert Putnam, the world's foremost scholar of the concept of "social capital", he goes even further: "The higher the level of immigration in a community, the lower the trust was not just between groups but within them". How could the Economist overlook such damning evidence against immigration? I once lived, for a brief period of time, in a bleak and grimy suburb of Paris, surrounded by immigrants from all walks of life. It was an eye-opening experience. Paul Collier's analysis is simply spot-on. The cultural downsides of immigration, as it is considered now (integration not being on the cards) far outweigh the alleged economic advantages. So yes, The Economist, even though Peking duck or arabic pastries are just around the corner, I'd rather preserve a sense of belonging and identity as well as a community centred around values shared by its members. The food might be blander, but my community not as hollowed out.

[@TheCantoneseInvestor]

Guillaume Duclouet I think the problem isn’t necessarily migration itself, but the government policy towards the migrants - the cult of multiculturalism which denigrates the native majority, denies the existence of the local culture and identity, encourages the foreigners to not forsake their foreign cultures and assimilate into the host majority as it should be, which unlike what this video seem to suggests are the kind of shites that Australia has been doing, and guess what? After all this immigration sanctioned by the Liberal Party, Australia is in a recession.

[@TheProcrastinator6]

@@TheCantoneseInvestor you say native majority but Australia is such a young country that the vast majority of whites living there had parents or grandparents that were also immigrants. It's a different situation from European countries where they have lived for thousands of years

[@TheCantoneseInvestor]

TheProcrastinator6 I didn’t say they are the same, nor does this difference make any difference as I was responding to the example referenced by The Economist. My point still stands.

[@TheProcrastinator6]

@ThatBadGuy Australia started as a penal colony where the Brits (western culture) dumped their undesirables so i don't know about that. That 100 year history is such a small part of history it's largely irrelevant

[@BeaverChainsaw]

But diversity helps make a community a community. After all not all ideas and ideals in societies came from one area, but many areas. While perserving culture is important, doesnt mean you shouldnt shun new ideas. Its like ideals of democracy and republics. Those values came from romans, spreaded when napoleon conquered europe and britain, where magna carta influenced USA's political system. So it is important to entertain ideas and new things rather than completely reject it because it doesnt fit with the norm

[@simonemelo9108]

I can't believe I just watched this video. I used to have respect for The Economist, but framing Australia migration policies in such a rosy way is really disappointing. What about the children kept in detention for years (inside Australia)? What about offshore detention centers in Papua and Naru? The Australian Government has committed a crime against humanity over the years. Paying journalists for filming wealthy migrants from India eating a picnic in Sydney is not going to change that.

[@thedamnedatheist]

Australia has it's problems with immigration & offshore detention is our greatest shame, but generally it has worked very well. The detractors you talked about are a small, fairly ignorant, but extremely vocal minority. Things could be better, but they could also be much worse.

[@siddhantsrivastava4353]

I like the girl who speaks at last what's her name?

[@olatunjiolakunle6908]

This report is nonsense. The migrants moving into Australia are predominantly Indians and Chinese this are people from very very industrious countries.

[@misshisokapaints109]

No Its predominantly European.

[@misshisokapaints109]

@Kleco102 i think you're skewing statistics. Because immigration from china and India combined is less that the 5% of the population who are British. And the 2.1 million Europeans in the top ten countries that are immigrants here compared to the 370k from China and india combined (countries of birth in 2016). China and Italy have pretty much the same amount of immigration. People don't want the non white immigrants and i don't see why.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@misshisokapaints109 They are not from western civilization, which is the best and greatest that our world has ever produced. Why would we want to dilute our culture?

[@misshisokapaints109]

@@chriswatson1698 built on the backs of the people who originally owned the land, foreign slaves, lies, manipulation and genocide.

[@saikatbag3961]

Foreigners should respect and learn the language and culture of the country they are living

[@salokin3087]

Most do

[@BeaverChainsaw]

You do realize that skilled migrants are normally required to learn language before entering a country right? Also why cant people enjoy their own culture at the same time? After all a more multi cultural nation encourage innovation and new interests

[@abdullahhakan1]

Commonwealth countries of British Empire should open databases that english speaking willfully migrants with university and above alumniship can ask for a suitable job among his/her chosen Commonwealth countries. For example I am from Turkey , with masters degree, single, childless and I can work in either England, Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, Malaysia as in management or in marketing areas of expertise at the age of 47.

[@yanhanlu9559]

It's kinda unfair but understandable that ppl might think negatively about migration. I pay my tax, shop quite a bit, can't and don't want to live on state welfare in a million years. My tuition fee was quite an extortionate amount. Every morning I get on the extremely depressing tube commute; meanwhile I think about the ppl who hang out in the streets of where I rent (one of those 'migrant neighborhoods') -- my landlord told me they're not single cases. Once settled ppl just 'count on the Queen to feed all the mouths' (in his words). Natives choose to see what they want to see, which I could sympathize with to a degree.