Turbocor Chillers Explained - Oil free magnetic bearing HVAC

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[@mikechiodetti4482]

The magnetic bearings and the 2 stage compressor had my attention first, but then the shutdown system that turns the motor into a short term generator is a fantasic way to protect the whole machine. Thank you for this video!

[@Weird_1]

We have two of these in one of our buildings at work. I appreciate the explanation. A lot of electronics go into these.

[@ChillerTechSupport]

Well done on the explanation, As a technician, anyone I speak with that has worked on these compressors we're torn in their option. I unfortunately never had the opportunity to work on them being a York Factory Technician. Magnetic bearing compressors are the future.

[@GLADYATOR109]

The most rich animation and comprhensive work ragarding this subject. Well done bravo

[@skindianu]

I pretty well got out of the trade about 26 yrs ago and only occasionally work on residential AC or RV AC. I was working on Trane RTAA Aircooled water chillers and they were top of the line at the time. This is badass! I had no idea things had advanced so much.

[@temirkz3278]

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[@cameron3991]

The new York chillers have a 12V DV battery that keeps the shaft of the magnetic bearing levitating and it will slowly spin the rpms on the shaft down when you have a power loss instead of the shaft just free spinning and falling very cool design. They also have a "marine" option you can buy and it includes hinges on the shells so you can clean the tubes out instead of having to use a chain fall to take the end caps off the tubes, but watch out it you order the marine version the blueprints don't include the total overall width of the chiller with the hinges they only include the width to the end of the frame the hinges add another 6 inches of width on the entire chiller (we had to cut and re wield the hinges back on )

[@AGON17]

All manufactures have hinges on the end bells they just have to pay for them when they order the chiller

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[@randygonzalez6250]

Wonderfully comprehensive video! My only criticism is that liquids can in fact actually be compressed, but only at such staggering thresholds of pressure that for all practical intents & purposes they can be considered to be "incompressible".

[@Hemskyfan99]

We just had a new Smardt chiller installed in our building, and I wasn't sure what type it was. After watching this video, it appears to be a 3 stage turbocore chiller. The only difference is that the evaporator is in the mechanical room and the condenser is air cooled on the roof.

[@sbitschy]

I have 3 chillers, with 2 of these compressors each, at one of the campuses I oversee. Now when I give tours to refrigeration mechanic students and explain how these work, I will talk a little less out of my behind, lol. Great video on the turbocors. Thank you

[@sbitschy]

I should also note. Each one is working very well. Oldest is almost 4-5 years now.

[@snotice12]

This technology is straight-up fascinating! I'd love watch how one of these types of chillers get built

[@TC-ge3pt]

Turbocor was purchased by Danfoss it’s not the other way around. Every chiller breaks down and Turbocor don’t break down they Scramble, every turbocor I’ve had was removed and converted to screw, digital scroll or centrifugal if applicable. My current facility has 15 chillers, I’d never spec a Turbocor.

[@BobWidlefish]

What do you mean by “Scramble”? Thanks!

[@waggtech8793]

@@BobWidlefish the engineers called it crashing initially. During a power outage or other anomaly the core shuts down too quickly. It’s important for a turbocor to shut down and rest easily on the support pads. I don’t remember the exact number, but the pads are good for a limited number of emergency shut down cycles and the capacitors have to be maintained having this in mind.

[@VTdarkangel]

@@BobWidlefish I'm just guessing, but I think he means that compressor utterly destroys itself when it breaks.

[@damonjenkins2185]

What happens if the inverter stops working? Does the compressor hit the support pads and “scramble”?

[@BobWidlefish]

@@waggtech8793 so if the power goes out and you don’t have backup power the levitating shaft stops levitating and this causes wear, basically?

[@DJLuDog3]

Well done wish I had this when I first had to work around chillers

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Like always this channel always... Work up to the mark.... Of engineering explanations.... Thank you

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Can.. V get an video on cyclo frequency convertor and matrix convertor

[@powernet622]

Great Effort ... Thank you ... I hope you will create video about Magnetic Bearing in detail ... Regards

[@OjayLaga]

he is not like other units. different class indeed. here in the philippines that's how I hold it

[@MrMaxyield]

So cool that the compressor and VFD electronics have their own cooling circuit...😎

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Best Videos for actually seeing what your trying to learn

[@ArifRahman-eq2co]

thank God I found this channel

[@BobCasan]

crystal clear explanation how it works

[@waggtech8793]

When the turbocor compressor was designed the engineers had hopes to eventually scale it down to be able to enter into the domestic refrigeration market. I rather doubt that will be pursued unless another design team

[@EngineeringMindset]

Well like any invention it will be varied for other purposes, with the energy and carbon reductions and need for efficiency it's probably likely that a variation of this could reach domestic units. The bearings in particular and the soft starter could be

[@jasimjaleel2295]

Sir can u make video related with Thermodymamics.. Basics

[@jarredallen]

handled chillers with multiple turbocor compressor, york ymc2 magnetic bearing and york yz magnetic bearing. the difference with turbocor with yz and ymc2 is turbocor needs multiple compressor in parallel to match a york single compressor tonnage. this restrictions in danfoss turbocor compressor design mainly the fact that danfoss has only one patents on magnetic bearing technology while york has skf magnetic bearing technology patents and synchrony magnetic bearing technology patents. recently johnson controls, which is the parent company of york has acquired siemens synchrony magnetic bearing technology which secured the large tonnage compressor to york chillers.

[@jacob4639]

I wonder if this will go large scale like to regular motors and pumps

[@MMatte75]

The Turbocor is a great compressor plus when you remove the oil in a chiller you gain about 10% in efficiency due to better heat transfer. The biggest issue I have seen with this compressor is when you come out of free cooling to mechanical cooling with inverted water temps the compressor can shutdown on over temp because that 3/8 liquid line isn’t providing enough liquid refrigerant to cool the electronics don’t know why they don’t use a liquid pump to help solve this issue. Besides that great product.

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thanks. I really like your videos. Can you make video about industrial air compressor, and industrial refrigeration machine, using NH3? and how to check them regularly?

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We've actually got quite a few videos on industrial refrigeration so you're in luck, check our website or video on channel

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grat video as always , the only thing I notice Fan is spinning in wrong direction in the cooling tower animation

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Can you explain about a DOAS system next?

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Good video, but I think I'll stick to compressor free Peltier chips and water/RV antifreeze. Sure is cheaper to build! Bitter for the DIY crowd too, AKA us poor folks. Love your channel, will donate when I can.

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[@social3ngin33rin]

Yeah, I've been wondering for decades why we don't use magnetic bearings, since I was a kid.

[@EngineeringMindset]

It's here! I'm certain we'll see this wide scale in the next years

[@social3ngin33rin]

@@EngineeringMindset A video on why it took so long?! lolol

[@rangerdoc1029]

The design has been around for many decades. The problem was the size and speed of electronics. Early units had a control panel bigger than the chiller vs current units where the controls are barely bigger than a shoebox.

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Wouldn't all this complexity effect the system's reliability?

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[@filiphes1]

Great video, thanks a lot for putting in the effort to make this. I only haver one question, why is there a need to have a soft start and a inverter? Isn´t the inverter with some kind of signal from the chiller controller enough?

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Mind-blowing

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[@azhmehmood]

Amazing 👍

[@danbrams4872]

I want to ask..If at suction compressor icing, this refrigerant is still liquid? If still liquid, problem source is expansion Valve or evaporator? Thank you🙏

[@ryanthomas2374]

Icing of the suction can be a problem with refrigerant level or air flow. Very rarely is it a expansion device. What you need to do is clean both evap and condenser and change any filters only then can you analyze the system. What you want is to have a superheat that ensures no liquid refrigerant is flowing to the compressor. If you can get the temp of the suction line exiting the evap outside the unit and subtract that from the Tsat found from a refrigerant pt chart. On residential units you want a 10deg superheat around there every manufacturer has their spec. This also depends on load if it is a txv. Its a fixed super heat if it is a cap tube. Also you want to check subcooling on the condenser which will tell you your refrigerant level if you have no subcooling your low on charge and that is causing your suction pressure to drop below freezing and icing the coil

[@EngineeringMindset]

Ryan's provided I great answer. I will just add that Danfoss have a free app called "troubleshooter" which diagnoses all refrigeration system problems. Very useful.

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Do you have a simple block diagram consisting of major components of electrical from AC input down to motor winding? I just want to see how the power transforms until motor uses it.

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New videos have this removed, we can't remove from any previously published videos though

[@ProxyGamingPG]

As a bachelor student of Electrical and Electronic engineering, I find efficiency oriented engineering as a prime priority over gimmicks. In efficiency, reliability is key, I hope to find what differentiates the "Turbocor Chiller" from a traditional heat exchanger. But most of all, the 'Co' coefficient of heat exchange to energy input compared to similar systems. One downfall I would not find acceptable with this kind of system is the lack of a reverse flow valve. I can see that water would not be a suitable means for evaporating with colder climates though haha.

[@ProxyGamingPG]

Pardon me, "Co" = 'COP' rating. Also, I understand they can be more efficient (easily) than geothermal exchange, but I'd like to see them employed in residential dwellings.

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Awesome, can you do a video with a worked example an enthalpy wheel ERV for cooling and dehumidification?

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Nice impormation

[@johnq.public2621]

What are the measurements of the EM field generated by the compressor?

[@EngineeringMindset]

I have absolutely no idea, but if you contact Danfoss I'm sure they could assist with some data

[@hw3991]

In terms of safety to individuals and surrounding equipment, there are no concerns as the EM field dissipates exponentially as you move away from the internal components.

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Very informative.

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Awesome vid and description.

[@bahyfouad7121]

Is it necessary for this compressor to be driven by vfd (inverter) ?

[@waggtech8793]

It’s not necessary, but it is energy efficient to be able to match the required load demand opposed to cycling the equipment off and back on. It adds life to the equipment by a continuous demand cycle. Another benefit is lowered amps at startup compared to the locked rotor current demands of conventional compressors.

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[@charlescox290]

Can you explain how a turbo encabulator works?

[@MilitanT07]

Is it because it is oil-free it is more efficient than a screw compressor-type chiller? Because I can't find another reason why a centrifugal chiller can be more efficient than a screw type.

[@EngineeringMindset]

The magnetic bearings vastly reduce the mechanical losses compared to traditional compressor bearings, it's also combined with VFD, EEV, IGV and precise controls

[@bahyfouad7121]

Normally centrifugal compressors are more efficient by the way, centrifugal compressors are non positive displacement unlike screw compressors , so they give reletively higher flow, meaning more refrigerant is passed to the evaporator therefore higher cooling capacity. On the other hand the centrifugal compressors can maintain reletively lower pressures so they normally used with water cooled chillers rather than air cooled chillers ( flow determines the cooling capacity but maintaing pressure ensures the heat rejection) . Of course the fact that we are here talking about oil free compressor its another reason its more efficient

[@VTdarkangel]

Being oil free does help it be more efficient, but it also removes the problem of oil moving with the refrigerant which is a problem with chillers of this design.

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that unit is very difficult. when the temperature goes crazy

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ThanQ so much...

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Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜

[@damonjenkins2185]

What happens upon failure of the inverter? I know the induced voltage on failure allows the magnetic bearings to still work on power failure, but on inverter failure won’t it cause damage?

[@hw3991]

In the case of a topside electronics failure, the compressor is fully protected with the backup mechanical touchdown bearings.

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Great graphics.

[@EngineeringMindset]

Took sooo long to animate 🙈

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@@EngineeringMindset whats the programme you use for it

[@muhammedshan.s.r8341]

Is there any shaft seal to contain refrigerent leak in turbocor compresser

[@ag6371]

Can you explain how the air separators work in chillers?

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Very good sir!

[@macbong01]

Why do we use a open system for cooling the water back down? Why dont we use closed condensators instead of cooling towers as we would with a freon system?

[@EngineeringMindset]

Because the water evaporates and carries the heat away for free so we get extra cooling. Passing it through a closed heat exchanger isn't as effective.

[@phaymanorvy6717]

Good video,

[@raybin6873]

A very complicated setup...I question it's long term reliability.

[@hide6625]

Do you know if you need a license to replace parts of this compressor?

[@JT-lq4yd]

In the United States you need a license to handle refrigerants. Where I work, one of these chillers failed and the refrigerant was removed with a vacuum pump prior to the compressor removal.

[@hide6625]

@@JT-lq4yd Thank you your reply. I've heard that you need a turbocore license to replace internal parts of a compressor, do you know about it ?

[@JT-lq4yd]

@@hide6625 I did not talk to the personnel when they came to my company but it is very likely that you need the parts supplied by the manufacturer of the turbocor and most will require that you are trained to repair their equipment.

[@hide6625]

@@JT-lq4yd I appreciate your quick response.I’m grateful for your guidance.

[@andrewgordon235]

I live in Phoenix will this keep my house cool in the summer?

[@EngineeringMindset]

This is way too big for a house. It's intended for commercial and industrial applications

[@jimmyordiz1065]

how to charge the refrigerant procedures?thanks

[@adkgameing9875]

Super 🥰

[@Li-ju3jr]

Can anyone explain why the turbocor chiller unable to operate when water entering into evaporator has higher temperature than water entering into condenser?

[@jhonpeter2889]

நன்றி..!

[@joels7605]

Why does it have a VFD *and* a soft start? A VFD can do everything a soft start can and makes the soft start redundant. Why install both devices?

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[@nielsdaemen]

what sort of COP can these reach?

[@brarautorepairs]

We convert AC to DC back to AC?

[@EngineeringMindset]

Yes, because then it is clean and you can control the voltage and frequency exactly to what's needed. Otherwise you just get what's supplied from the mains

[@brarautorepairs]

@@EngineeringMindset Thats nice. Wouldn't not be more efficient to just use a DC motor instead? Thinking about a Tesla

[@VTdarkangel]

@@brarautorepairs the only DC motor that wouldn't require an inverter is the older brushed motors. If you use brushes, you're giving back all the efficiency gained by magnetic bearings and variable speed.

[@ryanthomas2374]

They sound like jet engines and run 19000 rpm at 100%. Pretty cool i mess with them every now and then at work.

[@jimurrata6785]

Well, the stacked compressor stages are pretty similar in principle to how a jet engine works...

[@EngineeringMindset]

Sounds great right.

[@mitchdean6473]

They run much higher than 19000 they usually sit around 33000 rpm depending on the model.

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Make a video why electricity is only single or three phase? Why not 2,4,5.... 100 phase? Thanks

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[@bandiras2]

"liquids cannot compress" On 1500 bar of pressure, water actually shrink 5%...

[@Jason-wc3fh]

Yes, there is still some compressibility. But we generally don't consider liquids to be compressible for the way we apply them in HVAC.

[@skylerbowerbank5847]

Pretty sure most people don't compress liquids to 1500 bar XD

[@bandiras2]

@@skylerbowerbank5847 i have a diesel car with a pretty high pressure injector system...

[@skindianu]

@@bandiras2 your car probably isn't worth 1/8 the cost of this chiller. Therefore, I'll stick with not trying to compress liquids. Pay attention, you might learn something.

[@bandiras2]

@@skindianu My car worth less than 1000$