Not a Rant | Omega Speedmaster Professional

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[@vrcad9875]

Stories to tell..just purchased a speedy..3861. Reason..60 this year, born 1964 the year NASA were testing and deciding which watch to send to the moon. That's my reason and my story. Thank-you.

[@zevongrie1402]

The historical aspects of the Speedy are what drew me in initially. The inscription on the back about being used on manned space flights added to the cool factor for me. Been fascinated with all things NASA since I was a kid and still am today. But after I bought it and put it on my wrist, it became part of my story, even if my story doesn’t include any space travel.

[@nedflanders3769]

Agreed, Andy. The story matters. The Speedy is the watch that passed all NASA’s tests and went to the moon with the Apollo astronauts. A Rolex did not! It’s an amazing story and it’s very cool. Some people criticize Omega for touting this fact so much. But it’s extraordinary and sets the watch apart. If I were Omega, I’d shout it from the rooftops.

[@7.92Gav]

IIRC the Rolex stopped during testing because the hands curled & touched during the heat stress test.

[@phmwu7368]

And yet 20 Apollo era astronauts owned a Rolex GMT-master, even worn on Apollo 13, 14 and 17. #MoonwatchUniverse

[@7.92Gav]

@alfieakaronaldog no, I didn't witness the tests, but there are many articles online. Test results: Omega Speedmaster: gained 21 minutes during decompression test and lost 15 minutes during the acceleration test , the luminescence of the dial was lost during the test. Rolex Daytona : stopped running on two occasions during the relative humidity test and during the high pressure test when the sweep second hand warpped and pressed against the other hands. Longine Wittnauer: Crystal warped and disengaged during the high pressure test. Same fault occurred during the decompression test. Final conclusion : the Omega chronograph performed satisfactorily In 1965, NASA chose the Omega Speedmaster Professional as the official chronograph for the space program. Speedmaster wise, I currently have 2 (311.30.42.30.01.005 & Apollo 8 DSOTM), and on the wait list 🙄 for the Silver Snoopy.

[@Mega-zi7ys]

It's bec some people only see their side of the perspective. Daily there are millions of youth who become adults, daily millions learn about new things, hence the story older folks were told need to be retold. To older folks they will whine and say this is old news and keeps repeating, but to the millions who are just begining their journey, this is a new story. Just like a chef in a restaurant feeling nauseas about dame dish day in/day out ...but not to their patrons who don't see them daily or who've just discovered them .

[@Mega-zi7ys]

​@@phmwu7368got a few examples of both brands...i much prefer Omega speedmasters now because Rolex has degenerated into bling jewelery... Just sad

[@Phallanx]

Totally agree with you. I was in the same era that a watch was needed to see the time, still using the same way.

[@johnd-xd9sn]

Watch collectors are essentially curators of their own art gallery of watches... the most fascinating galleries are those where the works/watches have a story or legend of their own to tell (think here: Cartier Pasha, Longines Hour-Angle, Rolex Explorer, etc...)...not just the owner's tale of how they bought it or where they've worn it.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

The Daytona Cosmograph was given two fake heritages, but that doesn't seem to have put anyone off it.

[@daniel_anthony_k]

Woah, I didn't know this. I thought only the Explorer I had an embellished story. What claims were made about the Daytona?

[@Milofchg]

@@daniel_anthony_k The Daytona never went to space yet it has the name Cosmograph. It failed NASA tests, still Rolex tried to cash in on space exploration. Thankfully they kept quiet since. The Speedmaster was originally designed for race car drivers years before Rolex decided to stamp Daytona on the dial. Again cashing in on motorsports decades late, 24 hours at Daytona in 1992, LeMans in 2001. If any watch brand that had more to do with motorsports in practical use and in marketing. Historically it would be Heuer in the early 60's and 70's. Which was the choice for many racecar drivers and Heuer sponsored events decades before Rolex. Rolex can claim the ocean, arguably via technology other brands developed before or just after Rolex. They can claim business board rooms for sure. They can claim 60's Pan Am airline pilots, also Rolex seems to be in just about every other Hollywood movie. They are the masters of marketing, by masters, usually the first to market themselves at the "first watch to". I will give them the credit to some serious secrecy that many government intelligence agencies can learn a thing or two from Rolex. I think we will know what's really at Area 51 or who really shot Kennedy before we find out what Rolex is up to.

[@Mark..P]

I don’t think this was a rant either, just a great response. Bravo 👏

[@jgo8305]

Wow I completely agree! Watched this before bed wearing my 3861 hesalite. As a new owner of the speedy I’m excited for your clear caseback video now! I get so much enjoyment from your simple, but well made videos 👍

[@Zsmart17]

I honestly wouldn’t trade my 1861 for any other watch. A true workhorse and companion that will be by my side for the rest of my life.

[@jasondalton6182]

In 2019 I hacked my new 1863 speedmaster to the atomic clock.. then spent the week streaming the Apollo 11 realtime flight audio and data. What a thrill it was to listen to those men fly to, land on. And return from the moon. What a treat it was to glance at my speedmaster and see the time match up perfectly with the timestamps on the telemetry. It’s why I bought it that particular year.. and 5 years on.. one of the great reasons I still love the watch. Stories matter. I don’t watch Adrian but I do watch Kahlil… and I disagreed with him on that video. I wouldn’t buy a 240k watch because it looks like one Paul Newman wore a couple times.. but I did buy a $6k watch because a string of brave heroes wore it for days on end performing the greatest technical feat in the history of mankind. Great take, Andy.

[@subzero9460]

Totally agree Andy brand integrity and history are key. That’s why I bought my Hanhart Chrono 417 ES 1954 as it has the Steve McQueen connection as well as being the first Chrono worn by German pilots in the early 50s. Hanhart are a small company in the Black Forest with a skilled dedicated workforce making many components from scratch in-house.

[@wizzle-]

Well said and worth my time to watch. I am on board and the story is part of the reason I will purchase most things in life. Cheers!

[@willsmeg1967]

I’ve the same omega speedmaster 1861 I purchased mine preowned in 2007 and it’s a fantastic timepiece And I agree, speedmasters are iconic, for a reason, just like a Rolex submariner etc. so I totally agree Andy.

[@johnwhite.762]

Thank you Andrew, I bought a Speedmaster as two mates I served with used them and still use them. And now Ive got one too, so now we can be the three Omegos. And its a useful watch too,

[@brownmcpherson5724]

Love the rant! And couldn't agree more.

[@bobhob35]

Alberto Santos-Dumont was Brazilian and had a passion for aviation, fashion, horses. He was born into a rich family that owned a coffee plantation and used his family’s wealth to develop the first “lighter than air” machines. In 1932 during the Constitutionalist Revolution he became so upset as seeing the early aircraft he developed and lived taking off near Campo de Marte airport to bomb innocent people he committed suicide. 😢

[@bobhob35]

So every time I see someone wearing a Cartier santos I think of Carlos and his heartbreak of seeing his life’s passion and work misused to hurt the people of his homeland.

[@bobhob35]

This genuinely a tragedy and a terrible twist of irony.

[@pault6731]

When I'm interested in buying a watch I will just go through KZbin to see what the reviews are based on many different opinions. I will then go along to a boutique or AD and see the watch in the flesh and then make my mind up once I've physically seen the watch. I've actually not bought a couple of watches when I've actually seen them but really fancied the watch based on the reviews, so it pays to see the actual watch before pressing any buttons. Don't forget everyone has an opinion and we all have this right but do we have to listen of course not again that is your choice, I would say always go and see the watch before spending any money whether its a couple hundred pound or thousands of pounds. Great content keep up the good work between your official job and your KZbin channel.

[@runningrobot7393]

I don’t own a Speedmaster which is beyond my means but I bought a Bulova Lunar Pilot for its Apollo 15 story. I enjoy looking at its caseback which states the mission details. I don’t use the stopwatch to time rocket burn but I do use it to time my soft boiled eggs. Precision matters…😊

[@dazlarg]

I have the 1863 sapphire sandwich .. a watch I’d drooled over since seeing the ads in old magazines in dentist waiting rooms etc.. and was captivated by its story of going to the moon.. now I own it and wear it I hope to pass it in one day to one of my sons who can one day retell the story of both the watch and my ownership. Priceless.

[@thomasroberts8024]

Been around since well before the digital age for anything. Introduced to computing via IBM 26 card puncher and Fortran language. Watched mechanical fuel injection become electronically controlled. Listened to a Philco shortwave multiband radio and thrilled to an RCA black and white TV and on to my Sony color version. Lived in or around Houston for 44 years and sold a new Audi to a Shuttle Astronaut. In a bit over three months I'll be 80 and I have owned my Speedmaster for 48 years! It's part of my life experience and I'm happy that it has kept its magic in the minds of many, leading to a bit of monetary value for my estate....

[@watchinout1897]

Yes yes yes!! I love wearing the Speedmaster and one of the things I love about it is it's history. Who are they to say what we should and shouldn't buy?? Isn't wearing any watch you love, for any reason that suits you the premise behind this whole hobby? Sounds like Adrian and David should wear apple watches...that should fix everything!! Keep up the great work friend 👏

[@zillsburyy1]

Just ordered the watchdives version

[@ianforber]

I agree with your perspective. I like watches that have a story behind them. Having a lineage back to something is interesting and adds to the appeal of the watch. I have an Explorer 36mm because I like the watch and it informed my buying decision. But it’s not a deal breaker. I have an Aqua Terra because I like the watch and it not having an interesting story behind it didn’t put me off buying it.

[@jmann2977]

Totally agree with you (By the way, you currently have 2 versions of this video up on my notifications - one of which I think is the unfinished version).

[@TheEnglishWatch]

We all make mistakes. I was tired and uploaded the wrong version. I think the hey fever went to my head…..litterally 😅

[@Audittr2108]

I love to have some back story to a watch even if it’s just the history of the manufacturer but if the actual watch has something interesting too, that’s even better. One of the best examples for back stories is my Vertex M100A especially at the moment. Tomorrow is the 6th June and I’ll be wearing that day for sure!

[@tonyfarrant1095]

Maybe a quick vid but it’s a great point made I find it very annoying when utubers get to attend watch shows then slag it off when we can’t get there!

[@rooklift4094]

Well said Andy, I agree with you, that's why I have Speedmaster too. btw I preferred this video, getting straight on with it without all the Intro. stuff :)

[@anthonystevens8683]

It's always good to hear different view points Andy and I tend to agree with you a lot. Personally I'm not swayed too much by others views tending to make up my own mind. If I'm considering a new purchase yes I'll to some research on it that includes YT points of view. So far I'm pretty happy with my journey with my watch collection. While I love the new versions of the Speedy I'm more than happy keeping my old one. I appreciate what I like be it mechanical, quartz analogue or digital and I have examples of each with costs from cheaper than a meal to the price of a decent used car. If I like a watch and can justify it I might just make a purchase and it will be my choice.

[@michaelfierman3256]

For me Adrian has become a parody of his former self, and I'd wager a lot of his OG subscribers feel the same. As far as Khalil....I'm not interested in his completely self-serving advertisements. I don't trust anything he says. Anyway. great to hear your thoughts as I agree with them, but even if I didn't ...I always appreciate your content. Congrats on the Mercedes IWC ...looks super👊🏻

[@johnbrennan592]

Agree, Adrian seems to be hamming up the mumbling buffoon act. Not for me

[@matthewdale956]

Yes, used to like Adrian’s content but I think he’s too used to people blowing smoke up his arse….when he went to watches and wonders dressed in the bloody stupid about effing time outfit that did it for me 😂 As for David I think out of most of the KZbinrs he speaks the most sense (Mosso aside)

[@THE.RATGOD]

Totally agreed

[@robynsjp]

Yes very much agree.

[@marcdee4427]

Couldn’t agree more. Speed master is a great watch, but the reason it’s so compelling is because it’s been to the moon. Famous tool watches are why we love ❤️ watches.

[@marcdee4427]

@@alfieakaronaldog Rolex explorer, Everest Rolex submariner, bond association, omega seamaster bond also . Iwc mark series pilot watches because they were pro pilot watches. Hamilton khaki field watches used by the us military , tag heuer used by lots of f1 drivers in the past etc. longines spirit used by famous pilots, any professional association or film 🎥 gives the watch an added interest

[@TwentyOne_Five]

Preach!!

[@NS-tv7wi]

Totally agree Andy. I buy watches because I like them, if they have a back story on top that’s the icing on the cake for me and applies to most of my watches. I believe Khalil is only interested in watches for the monetary value.

[@ianhand5006]

I've always liked mechanical chronographs, and the Speedmaster is the best-looking of them all.

[@catsteeth]

The description of Bremonts Stories as piggybacked legacy is excellent. It's unrelated to the style and function of the watch. People say Bremont are excellent storytellers, but that's all it is. The watches themselves weren't on the Wright Flight, or came up with the Theory of Hawking radiation. The Speedy Watch itself did the story. Great video idea👍

[@WatchesOnWood]

I'll be honest, I like a story with a watch, but I like it to be my story. I resonate with David, I don't like being force fed a story as a convincer to like the watch. As a Chronograph lover I often feel like I'm told that if I don't like the Speedy, stooped in all of its heritage, then I'm not a real watch collector/enthusiast.

[@Neilster37]

100% agree Andy. Stories are a critical part of the human experience it’s what makes us who we are. I recently threw off the shackles of the Apple Watch and bought my first luxury mechanical watch. What was it? The Moonwatch of course, have always wanted one. It’s the same thing that makes people sniffy if your “adult” men’s watch has 007 written on it, or has a dog orbiting the moon on the back. Where is their joy in life?

[@kentuckywindage9925]

I absolutely agree Sir. I believe we purchase things because we’re attracted to the design esthetics of the watch, if it has historical history or even a story attached to it then that’s cool. But Im not buying the watch because of the story, I’m buying it because I like it. I work for a watch boutique and there’s only a handful that actually Wowed me, the Speedmaster 310.30.42.50.01.002 also known as the “sapphire sandwich”, is the next watch for me. The other one that wowed me is the Grand Seiko Winter SBGA415. The unfortunate thing that slightly turned me off by GS is if you get your watch “magnetized” it is NOT covered under warranty. Being that everyday life and objects around us have magnetism that bothered me to the point to where I don’t want a Spring Drive anymore. The only way I’d personally buy a GS is if it’s their 9F Quarts. But I’m fine with that, because I love the case design and the physical esthetic of their watches.

[@atis23]

I love my Speedmaster. I own 2 variations. At one point I had 4. Stories don't matter to me at all. I'm not into the whole space and NASA thing. It's just a cool watch. I didn't even know about those stories when I got my first one 😂😂😂.

[@verykeen2please]

Adrian is fun, but always worth remembering he is a marketing guy, in the same way Rolex is a marketing company that makes a few watches

[@atthelord]

I think stories are important! In fact, if you’re an average Joe like me, they’re even more important because I get to own a watch and make my own personal stories with it :)Historical significance does sell watches, just like aesthetics do. And I completely agree, a kickass back story is certainly icing on top!

[@ahmadghufran8117]

agreed. history does matter to me. its not the be all end all, but it does influence my purchase sometimes

[@Valera_Scotland]

Gorgeous watch. Have owned three 1861s.... for anyone considering this as their daily watch, I strongly recommend getting it on wrist for as long as possible and making sure it's right for you. I found them a tad too chunky and not the best daily watch, but they ARE iconic and totally beautiful watches. Can still be had for under 4k, which is why I'd never buy the new version at retail

[@sairtg2771]

Totally agreed…. Most people are watch enthusiasts and not watch dealers. Unfortunately, watch dealers have the money to push their investment ideas into our brains. Anyway, Keep up these great videos coming out of an independent mindset. 😊

[@garydoherty600]

I agree. I’d just watched the David K video before watching yours. It’s fine for him to put forward his view but didn’t convince me.

[@borassictime918]

Yeah, I take your point, but then again your actual watch hasn’t been in space, it’s the model that has. The same applies to the far less expensive Bulova, to the G-Shocks, that have been in space, used in space; it’s the models, not the actual watch. So, all of these changes since the original use are really moot anyway. One thing is for certain; at a starting price of £6,200 today’s Speedy is no longer a tool watch, any more than a Sub is. The “stories” are needed to try to justify the price tag.

[@fredperry523]

The speedy is my favourite watch - I do have some concerns about the earth being flat & the moon landing taking place in a hollywood studio though !

[@craiglinke8206]

I bought my 1861 in 2019 which was the 50th anniversary of the moon landing. I came into some money and the timing was right (the stars all aligned). I wanted the bog standard watch with a hesalite crystal. The same as what the astronauts wore. The only reason I wanted this watch was its connection to NASA. As far as technical specs go it’s a dinosaur of a watch, but that’s missing the whole point. When I look at the watch it reminds me of a bygone era. A time when the world was united in amazement by the incredible achievement of walking on the surface of the moon and returning safely.

[@steveiemcd]

Couldn’t agree with you more. The story behind the watch makes the difference between watches for me. Otherwise it’s just jewellery. I never watch anything from watch dealers they only try to push what makes them the most money. They have no interest in the watches only how they can make money from them. If they had their way they would have us wearing only Rolex and trying to up sell us royal oaks. I’ve been collecting watches a very long time and if the story behind the watch isn’t interesting to me I won’t buy it. It’s for my pleasure and helps me decide what I want to own. Other wise it’s “I have money want shiny thing “ I get no joy from that I like to learn the story’s Thanks for the videos keep up the good work

[@VoodooMike]

Grey market dealers see watches as value propositions and profit makers. That's why they're so obsessed with Rolex. Very few of them seem to be watch enthusiasts (notable exception being Federico). That's fine - they have businesses to run. But it means I'm not particularly interested in their watch opinions.

[@pbtony0340]

100%

[@Jim-pw9js]

I’m not sure why David “riled” you up with his video. He makes his money on all watch brands he sells. It’s not like he’s against Omega. While there have not been many changes from the original design in today’s Moonwatch, there still have been significant changes to improve it (and they have made many variations through the years). If you love a story, and don’t care what people believe, why get upset when someone questions the worth of watch lore? He was suggesting that it’s in your best interests to buy a watch based on its own merits over the stories presented. You actually took the same position as David when you talked about how you feel about the JLC Polaris. It’s up to you to put the emphasis on resale value, name recognition, story telling, durability, workmanship, and how you feel about the overall quality of a watch. Ultimately, everyone is free to choose with their wallet.

[@rowluxillusion5235]

I find Adrian Barker pretty impossible to watch these days, he used to be ok pre-Bamford but seems to have very much lost his way since then, also the constant shilling of his interminable Nato straps is really irritating.

[@randombloke10]

I love the speedy, the heritage, the design but Omega I detest! A speedy 8 years ago cost £2700 it’s now £6600 and that’s only for the hesalite… Omega is the reason why I won’t buy a Speedmaster, the marketing the price gouging, it’s all just too much. Heuer ran the timing instruments in the lunar lander and yet they don’t 2x their timepieces because ‘they can’ which is what I feel Omega has done, we’re just money cows to them.

[@jasonhoare4080]

Was the Belgium fella Tin tin by any chance 😀

[@TheEnglishWatch]

At least I got the B right. Maybe I should have watched my own video on Cartier first. I like a bit of Tin Tin.

[@alastairforbes2792]

Stories are how communities have come together since we were living in caves.

[@phmwu7368]

Great thoughts, but sadly enough Omega has mostly ignored the complete history of the Speedmaster chronograph in spaceflight. Currently MoonwatchUniverse has completed a detailed overview of Omega Speedmaster deliveries and internal NASA-distribution between March 1965 and March 1975. Soon available on a well-known forum. Other brands have embraced their spaceflight history as Breitling had the very first Swiss-made wrist watch in space (bespoke all black dial 1962 Navitimer Cosmonaute on Aurora 7 with Scott Carpenter) and Jaeger-LeCoultre delivered the very first wrist watches to NASA astronauts as in 1959 the NASA Task Group ordered 8 bespoke 24 hours dial LeCoultre watches for the Mercury 7 astronauts, who wore these LeCoultre between September 1959 and October 1963... although these LeCoultre Quartermaster based wrist watches were not spacer-flown it's one of the great stories in aviation & spaceflight ! #MoonwatchUniverse #NASA

[@TheEnglishWatch]

Thanks Phil. I guess we can’t rely on the brands to tell the best stories or even get it right all the time (like me 😅). Fortunately the watches endure despite being poorly handled. Resources like MoonwatchUniverse are great for deep diving into the lore and helping would be collectors level up and engage more in a real hobby.

[@udosteinhauser5661]

I you are drawn to watches for whatever reason (and there are plenty if one looks at the other comments) it is totally irrelevant what people like Mr Barker or Khalil have to say. I like what you do, so, please keep going. Cheers Udo

[@jameshoward9700]

Haha, just watched DK's video (don't watch the font of banality that is AB). All motivations for owning watches are valid (design, engineering, personal significance, history, hell even value retention). But I agree with you - the history and fantastic story of many watches and brands is part of their romance (we don't really need them) and strengthens our emotional bond with them. The intangibles are important in any luxury purchase and ignoring the story is a bit shortsighted. And I suspect, disingenuous.

[@TheEnglishWatch]

Damn - better words that mine. You summed it up nicely. That will teach me to turn the camera on late at night.

[@jameshoward9700]

@@TheEnglishWatch Haha, never! You're putting it out there with your ar5e on the line - I'm just sniping from the sidelines! But I'm so glad you said that about the history, heritage and backstory. It's what makes watches such a rich enthusiasm - the design, engineering, heritage and passion combined.

[@thegorn]

Nice way to clap back against Adrian Barker. That NASA approval for the speedy - even the modern speedy - means a lot. It's still a dog of a watch to wear though lol.

[@WatchFlares]

Watches without interesting stories are just jewellery.

[@vertugallery7099]

This guy is not sure which watch EH wore on Everest. A bit of knowledge and a google search will tell you that EH wore a Smiths watch on the summit of Everest. His Sherpa wore a Rolex Perpetual. Rolex released the Explorer AFTER Everest to cash in on that monumental achievement. Rolex was always very good at marketing! So every zero-knowledgeable person thinks that EH wore a Rolex on Everest. Great marketing! He didn't. Fables multiply over the years.

[@briansutherland5919]

I wouldn't concern myself with the opinions of the majority of KZbin watch vlogers who have a vested interest in selling watches/straps or who spend their time chasing super-chats. They'll flip-flop their views at the drop of a pound note from just about any brand out there. I've spent a fair bit of time ensuring the algorithm doesn't suggest any of their channels to me anymore. Much more interested in hearing from collectors/enthusiasts with views I can relate to. Those like yourself who find connections with watches for reasons other than value retention or the current "must follow" trends.

[@johnbrennan592]

Glad you said you don’t wear those hats, nothing more cringe than a watch branded hat

[@wristopia4101]

Sorry to see you so upset Andy, but its funny someones opinion narked an Omega fan so much, when most Omega fanboys spout their nasty hateful opinions at every given opportunity, which owners of other brands are just meant to put up with. I know you dislike the overtly Bond Omegas, so people disliking the constant moon referencing is just the same as that isn't it? I think its great if guys like Space stuff, but linking it so directly to the watch and then all going around in an online mob is very sad. Adrian Barker was 100% correct when he called this out on his original channel years ago. You yourself once said that Omega fanboys often let the brand down. I have several Omegas (Including the one that's in Space right now that you guys never mention 🙄) and I love the company and their heritage, but boy do I not consider myself an 'Omega Guy'!

[@Andrew-yy2ye]

You can't say that the story matters for omega then say that the lie Rolex told doesn't as you then are basically saying you believe the hype, which is insane

[@Monkeyboy2457]

The Seiko quartz sports 100 chronographs from the 80's (7A28-7049 and 7A38-7070) are arguably better than Speedmasters and Daytonas.

[@samzerafa3185]

But it never made it to the moon zero kudos !

[@Monkeyboy2457]

@@samzerafa3185 I don’t want to pay for Kudos I just want a good watch.

[@Monkeyboy2457]

@@samzerafa3185 On November 16, 1973, when Mr. William Pogue, a NASA astronaut, boarded the Saturn IB rocket, he put a Seiko wristwatch in the pocket of his space suit. The watch was a Caliber 6139 Seiko "5 SPORTS Speed-Timer," the world's first automatic chronograph, which Seiko launched in the spring of 1969. The 80's Seiko chronographs were certified for use by the RAF and SAF. More kudos than Rolex. I would agree that Omega Seedmasters are the best chronographs curenty available new. In the day the Seikos were horologically superior. 10 seconds per month accuracy (vs 4 seconds per day) , 12mm case thickness (vs 14mm plus), 1/10 sec counter (vs none), split seconds function(vs none) day/date in the 1/10 sec subdial(vs none), 100m water resistance(vs 50m), fully rebuildable and adjustable 15 jewel all metal movement (vs non-column wheel hand wound movement which never went to the moon).

[@KeepingWatchUK]

The Speedy is a fine looking watch & it doesn’t have a silly date at 4.30. It’s a great, cheaper & accessible alternative to the Daytona (which, let’s be honest we’d rather have) Sure it’s cool one went to moon but it was like 50 years ago. Time to move on & stop milking it Omega. Honestly, for me that back story isn’t that important. It’s frankly boring & over-done. I own a 3861 btw. Here-here to more joy in life. Hope you’re well, Andy.

[@richlander5874]

They’re both clowns 🤡. Ones a watch dealer and the other is a watch salesman in disguise working for whoever gives him the most money or will pay for trips.

[@visiblemode]

Can’t finish this video yet, but I was so into what you were saying that I already wanted to drop a quick comment. Watches are ALL about stories. The reason people get riled about the Moonwatch is it has the best story. That said, we all buy luxury watches for the romance of in one way or another and each watch starts with a story and then we make our own. All these “commodity collectors” and self proclaimed “realists” trying to shame it out the hobby do irritate me. Been planning to make a similar vid on my watch channel, glad you spoke up. Will finish the vid later and might add another comment once I’ve heard your whole take.

[@TheEnglishWatch]

I think my video was a case of think before recording, and don’t do it after hours of editing a video that refuses to come together 😅. There’s a better version out there and many of the comments have filled in the gaps. Yes - romance, storytelling mixed with engineering, passion and sheer determination to make the unnecessary desirable.

[@bobbydazzler1780]

Don’t get irked over other people’s opinions. Anger is just a punishment we give to ourselves due to the actions or opinions of some other fool. If others want their opinions to count invite them along to your next watch purchase and ask them to pay with their own credit card. Until then who cares. You shouldn’t even listen to me. Why? I just don’t get the Moonwatch. Don’t care about the backstory. Couldn’t give a damn about the bloody dot over 90 FFS. Or is it 80? But if the story and the history and the what not is important to you that’s all that matters. It’s your money your call, right? I’m no Omega hater I’ve got one knocking about somewhere from 20 odd years ago. A Seamaster. Fine watches. Backstories and branding and association are all marketing tricks to bring new audiences to the table. I was interested in a Chopard recently but just couldn’t buy into some classic car race in Italy that the thing was branded with. Someone else would love all that. The marketing thing has resonance or it doesn’t. Grey dealers and those selling after market bits and pieces have other skin in the game and their opinions are therefore skewed away from the actual buying and keeping enthusiast. Selling a watch shows how you allowed yourself to be bought into somebody else’s spin. Then woke up one day thinking - I don’t even like the bugger! Don’t be that guy. Consider what you like and stick to your guns. Sod what others, including me, spout.

[@edgeyt1]

5:00 Hercule Poirot ? 😀 I remember when Adrian Barker threw his toys out of his pram when Zenith introduced the Chronomaster he was both laughable and ignorant of Zenith's history. I don't rate him.

[@Anonymouslyme1]

Yeah, I saw David’s video and also disagree, watches like the Speedmaster and Submariner and indeed absolute icons and that’s why people buy into that, it cannot be ignored. You couldn’t give the same credibility to a new Bremont as you say.

[@frankbrennan1619]

My goodness Andy, you are indeed irked by Messrs Khalil & Barker & I'm not sure exactly why & that might be because of a combination of things, like I'm not an Omega Speedmaster fan & so I couldn't care less if that or a £10 Casio went to the moon & back & also the fact that & as someone else has said elsewhere on this thread, I wouldn't trust a syllable, never mind a single word, that came out of Khalil's lips & as for the Barker chap, for me, he was once very enjoyable to listen to back when he first started & then of course as he & his Channel got much bigger, all the arty farty Loch Lomond stuff got all even more arty farty whilst so many of his watch brand 'reviews'' started to sound like paid adverts even though I knew they weren't & so now rarely watch him.

[@frankbrennan1619]

@@SaintWill70 I didn't & don't care.

[@vertugallery7099]

To be honest, you seem a bit angry today. Why? They are just watches my friend. Your modern Speedmaster has no relation to the original. It is just a churned out modern copy, whatever the Omega marketing department tells you. Think what you like. Chill out a bit. Have some sex. Relax. None of it really matters.

[@mark_n_r]

100%

[@mark_n_r]

I love it when relative watch novices to the hobby speak like they are seasoned lifetime professionals just because they have a KZbin channel !! :(

[@mark_n_r]

@@SaintWill70 Buddy you don't need a wealth of knowledge to know more than this guy let me assure you. Not much more informative than a watch sales brochure.

[@vertugallery7099]

I am a little tired of KZbin 'experts' who know a reasonable amount about modern watches but know next to nothing about watch history. The Cartier Santos was NOT the first men's wristwatch. Go google, research, learn. I have thirty-five years experience of watches; I just choose not to have a KZbin channel. I have better things to do. Andy, you seem a nice guy, I quite like your videos, but you know nothing about watches and maybe you should admit that. And nor does Adrian Barker.

[@stephenayres4792]

omega are over priced in my book ,