TFS: Back Purging - How and Why

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The Fabrication Series

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@joshschow5848
@joshschow5848 4 жыл бұрын
In the last month I stumbled across your KZbin videos. A little background on me. I started welding in 1990 but in the old days if you didn’t go to tech or what some people say welding school employers wouldn’t even look at your application. So I did. Welded full time and went to school. In my welding career I have had the opportunity to do a lot of things. Full penetration welds that required ultrasound and x-ray inspection. I have done work for the gas and oil industry to welding stuff for drag specialties ( after market motorcycle parts) to working for featherlight trailers on their custom line, car haulers, NASCAR, even Horse trailers that cost more than a lot of houses. The point of this comment is your truly amazing and even as long as I have been welding I have learned from your videos and the new or young welders should watch you vids. If I didn’t live in Minnesota I would definitely take one off your classes for sure. Keep up the great work!!!
@johnnymo9518
@johnnymo9518 4 жыл бұрын
josh schow , Are you still welding? I’m an older guy and I’m interested in learning to weld. Do you have any suggestions on how to get started? School first or just try to learn on my own through trial and error? I don’t know anyone who welds so I’m on my own on this.
@joshschow5848
@joshschow5848 4 жыл бұрын
John Morales I am still welding. I put in about 60 hrs a week. Currently tig welding big stainless steel tanks. As far as learning to weld. School is the best start. Not sure if your looking to go in to the trade or weld stuff for yourself.
@SeamlessFab
@SeamlessFab Жыл бұрын
Settle down bro. Nobody cares.
@itsallsimplefacts
@itsallsimplefacts 7 жыл бұрын
I do pharmaceutical process piping and every single weld we do in a system is back purged. One tip for setting internal flow rate is to not go too high. You can create a ventrui effect and can actually suck in your weld causing concavity and in my field that means a failed weld due to cleanliness issues and is aesthetically not as pleasing if that matters. Also if you have a large OD tube and you're welding close to the inlet of your purge gas you can use an air tool exhaust muffler to break up the jet of purge gas and spread the flow out and push all the oxygen out.
@manos3790
@manos3790 5 жыл бұрын
Thank God, somebody knows what they're talking about. These YT stars are more like enthusiasts not truly experienced Welders/metal fabricator's. Sugaring or whatever else he calls it, is simply known as contamination. Shaking my head in disbelief 😂
@diogofaustino4348
@diogofaustino4348 5 жыл бұрын
Same here, in the company I was working before we were doing a lot of pharma and food-grade work and one way we sped up productivity was to fabricate out of stainless all the accessories we needed for every type of pipe and connection to the pieces we had to weld. Having a Purgeye oxygen sensor also helps a lot in bigger pipes. Usually, I start the back purge with loads of flow rate until the oxygen drops considerably and then I tone it down to avoid the root concavity as you said.
@weldorman8495
@weldorman8495 5 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind, is if you tack the tubing with sufficient heat to penetrate to the inside, you will contaminate the finished weld since no purging is available during assembly. On 316SS tubing (generally about 16ga.,) I would fusion weld a tack about the size of a pinhead, in about a dozen places....the more tacks the better...it keeps the tubing from creeping out of round during welding. Then, fusion weld (without rod) under 50% pulse after setting up the purge. Generally, rather than leave the exit hole for purging, I stick a small piece of steel wool in the exit hole to eliminate turbulence inside. Works beautifully, and you should see nothing but bright, shiny weld on the inside, with no spots where the tacks were. Heat shrinkage at the weld prevents suck back and provides a slightly raised weld inside and out. Takes a bit of practice, but makes pretty impressive,strong welds. Most of my work was in Lab equipment and prototype fabrication in Stainless and Titanium, where back purging was always an absolute MUST.
@fastone371
@fastone371 Жыл бұрын
I build a lot of stainless headers and all of them are fusion welded. I was wondering why the welds do not become undercut when not using filler, thank you for explaining that. And yes, I always purge stainless. I start out at 10-20 CFH for a couple of minutes then drop it down to only 2-3 CFH when I start welding.
@kevinpunter7960
@kevinpunter7960 2 жыл бұрын
Once again .. I searched for am answer to a topic on which I was clueless and you answered it comprehensively beyond my expectation.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 3 жыл бұрын
this early stuff is the reason i still love you dude. dont change man.. great energy in your delivery brother.
@SupraSav
@SupraSav 3 жыл бұрын
Key concepts for TIG, always nice to have a refresher from a reliable source.
@droningon825
@droningon825 5 жыл бұрын
Just started doing welding for myself. This is one of many videos of yours. I have watched. Thank you, very helpful
@michaelkruck1444
@michaelkruck1444 5 жыл бұрын
My bad hit the thumbs down that was not my intention. Thank you for the great video I learned a lot 👍
@derrickquintal
@derrickquintal 6 жыл бұрын
Great tip about the weep hole! Not only is it necessary when back purging but also when welding most any enclosed container. As you know, when you weld the air inside heats up causing it to expand. When this happens, as you get to the final sealing weld the pressure buildup from the heated air will do the same thing as in your video (maybe not as spectacularly though)
@mark675
@mark675 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the time you put into your videos, i hit the ground running when i started tig welding due to the knowledge i gained through your videos 👍
@jryer1
@jryer1 6 жыл бұрын
@Fabrication Series - I tried the Solar Flux & Heet, worked great. It immediately prevented oxidation on the inside of stainless tube. Very helpful, not something I would use for food or pharma components because it does leave a black enamel like coating, but good for just about everything else.
@5PYZ3R
@5PYZ3R 3 жыл бұрын
it seems right at home for automotive at least especially exhaust systems. but every other video I find they're still back purging lol
@tomherd4179
@tomherd4179 7 жыл бұрын
I do not do, nor intend to, do any automotive welding (especially at 71 yrs) - but I always learn something from every one of your videos! Techniques, procedures, task analysis and planning, reasons for doing something a certain way..... etc. Who knows, the wife may want me to weld up some stainless do-dad in the kitchen and I actually have a dual regulator on my argon tank. Thanks for the professional videos :-)
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Glad to know people are learning!
@hyd119
@hyd119 5 жыл бұрын
I have never welded before and I saw some terms mentioned in a video and you covered everything here and what not to do as well. To be honest, I subbed just for the intro!
@Scott-xc5sg
@Scott-xc5sg 6 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, this is the first video purging was explained so well. Excellent idea to show everyone what happens when you do and do not weld correctly. I had a boss that would get mad and tell me that sugar forms because you're over heating the pipe and would say he's never purged a pipe in 15 years and has never had any problems with durability. (Lies). This video helped a lot, thanks!
@SpeedingTube
@SpeedingTube 6 жыл бұрын
This was exactly the video I was looking for! Thanks for explaining everything! Subbed 😎👍🏼
@rickybobby1056
@rickybobby1056 3 жыл бұрын
Just starting my own welding business and I’m knocking off the rust for tig. Great vid, I subbed, thanks I look forward to more content and lessons.
@joemartin6775
@joemartin6775 6 жыл бұрын
Justin you make so much sense , a pleasure to watch and learn from you ! Many thanks
@RollingDude.
@RollingDude. 7 жыл бұрын
i can't accept that he only has 53k subs ...is the public target for this subject of video too low? all his videos are 10/10 hes a awesome teacher and speaker, the video is greatly done , this is not some lame ass dude filming with shitty web cam in a dark room... this and the fab forums is my favorite channels and blv me i got around 600 channels subscriptions from news to games to cnc machinery etc.. please dont stop the doing these videos ever, there is nothing like this on the internet we need this knowledge. you greatly inspired me to start to weld and become a welder for building rollcages and metal fabrication for automotive use... thats how i found your channel, this year im doing it thanks to you!
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your comment! The biggest reason for not having hundreds of thousands of views and subs is because the content is niche and the channel is not even 2 years old yet. It will continue to grow and as long as people are learning, I'll keep producing. Thanks for watching!
@stefanczechorskidds8435
@stefanczechorskidds8435 5 жыл бұрын
On SS tubing , lap joints and butt joints , I have experienced that it is much easier to weld/control the puddle when you BP ! (much easier and edges don't burn away!) It does make a difference, "sugaring" aside! Thank you for the vid Justin!!
@cherryberry10142011
@cherryberry10142011 6 жыл бұрын
I'm new to your channel and you do an amazing job of teaching this stuff. I've learned alot so far and i even find myself taking actual notes, not just viewing your videos. Thanks man, please keep the awsome videos coming!
@eddiekubik2472
@eddiekubik2472 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! I’m 17 and recently purchased a tig welder, I’m putting a 2.5” 304 stainless exhaust on my car. Is it prone to breaking/leaking if I do not purge it? I do t want to purge it but I guess I could if I have to. Thanks for the awesome vids!!
@5PYZ3R
@5PYZ3R 3 жыл бұрын
yes. purge or solar flux it. doing the same btw. going with flux to save argon
@GarryFullerSr
@GarryFullerSr 6 жыл бұрын
I use aluminum foil to wrap the pipe for back flow. Also in you don't have a dual reg. you can get a Y at the Welding house and small flow knob and use that. Really Nice Video on this. Must have taken a lot of editing.
@MH-on8ol
@MH-on8ol 7 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort you put into this video the solar flux is an interesting option for large parts where back gas dams are difficult to apply.
@justcruisin109
@justcruisin109 6 жыл бұрын
A really clear explanation with well prepared samples - great work and thanks.
@bmw2002usa
@bmw2002usa 7 жыл бұрын
very nice. finally someone explain to understand a person like me that no nothing! thank you. hugs from Mozambique
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@curtiskurahara5980
@curtiskurahara5980 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. thank you. I was going to start welding up my exhaust for my boat. it's a 5" stainless tube. and there will be saltwater in it. Would you back purge?
@johne.osmaniii9768
@johne.osmaniii9768 7 жыл бұрын
As a young lad, I was fortunate enough to be able to attend a non credit class during the summer months for woodshop, & welding, ...(even got my picture in the paper), & I got really good @ brazing, (so good, I repaired a mortar mixing tub, with coathanger, & flux, but it did take a few hours, & the guy paid me $25.00 on top of me having fun, & told me to look him up if I ever wanted a job @ the Chicago Hts. Ford stamping plant, ... which was about 50 years ago), ... Gotta say your tutorials are filled with great info, right down to the actual doing the project at hand, ... And now I understand how to notch pipe, ... I have a pvc project that. Am about to begin in the next week or so, & your notching tutorial gave me a wonderful idea, ... thanks, ... you got a new subscriber, ... me!
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for the sub!
@steelpanther9568
@steelpanther9568 3 жыл бұрын
We use to use 315/316 brushed or polished stainless steel plates/sheets, used for pharmaceutical/hospitality, If we was welding two stainless steel plates/sheets, that was butted up side by side together, We use to use a copper plate the length of the join, clamped to the back of where you was welding, which also protected air from getting into and around the back of the weld, giving you the same effect, But we only did this for three reasons, 1 it would take a lot of pure Argon to fill a room, 2 by doing this would probably bankrupt your business, 3 you wouldn’t be able to go into an area that is full of Argon Gas, and if you tried it, you shouldn’t be welding, your weld might not need oxygen, but you do, If it was a sealed tank or ventilation system, we would back purge it using the Argon Gas, making sure that the outlet is at the highest part of the vessel/tank, as Argon is heavy then air, Using a lighter at the outlet port, if it’s a large vessel/tank etc. to check if there is Argon coming out, if the flame goes out, when you place it near the outlet, there’s only Argon gas inside it, 👍🏼
@c0ulter
@c0ulter 7 жыл бұрын
Hey bud! Your a very good teacher. Thank you for your time and effort. It counts. I've been watching welding and fab KZbin videos for years now. I sum what contribute my career in pipe welding, pressure vessels, and industrial boilers to Jody over at weldingtipsandtricks. But hands down your the best teacher out of all the KZbinr welding and fab guys! Thanks man! -Ben
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ben. I actually don't do a lot of vids on welding because it's Jody's turf (so to speak haha). I'm not trying to step on toes. But they few that I have put out are a bit more specific about a topic that a lot of people write in and ask about. I'm sure I'll have more in the future and I'm glad people like them.
@Anglgrinder
@Anglgrinder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! so many answered questions Your information is really gonna help with my stainless exhaust project... I respect the way you teach
@tylerkelly7243
@tylerkelly7243 Жыл бұрын
Would you use solar flux on boost pipes and intakes. You mentioned it's glassy will any particles get carried into the motor. Do you rather recommend pushing?
@AravindKMMETALHEAD
@AravindKMMETALHEAD 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for this awesome series of fabrication tips
@djtex6817
@djtex6817 7 жыл бұрын
Dude the technique required to not dip the tungsten when that blow out went down is masterful 👍
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Chromov113
@Chromov113 7 жыл бұрын
Now I see what took you so long, you put a huge amount of work into this video, and it's not filmed while doing a job for money. This was cool! Anyone knows how the "back purging" called in russian, please?
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I Hopefully someone will know the translation or term in Russian.
@daniel_6741
@daniel_6741 5 жыл бұрын
Just search for a bigger welding supply and go through their catalogue. In some place you will find purge hardware like plugs for pipe. Then just look how the called it ;)
@LoneWolfSnowplowing
@LoneWolfSnowplowing 5 жыл бұрын
just take some solar flux and pour in some vodka.
@abarry48
@abarry48 6 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that saw the shark shadow at 7:47?! That’s awesome!
@richardechevarria5824
@richardechevarria5824 4 жыл бұрын
Solar Flux has two types. Type B and Type A. Make sure your using the proper type for the grade of metal. Also Solar Flux is best used for backing when there is no way to purge the part your welding. Or no way to use your backups. (A piece of copper behind what your welding that is laying flat on the back surface and or a made backup that has holes in it that the argon will pass through to give you the shielding that you need.
@Ggon636
@Ggon636 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! You’re very informative and anticipated the right questions! Great work! I’m subscribing.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 6 жыл бұрын
For the purging, it may help if one remembers that both Argon and Carbon Dioxide (if a mix is used) are heavier than 'air', so it may be a good idea to plan it so one is welding towards the bottom of the parts, rather than the top. May also help when planing how one is going to be introducing the purging gas. Oh, standard treatment for methanol poisoning is ethanol - true! So, AFTER the use of the flux, and the welding, a beer can be medically recommended... ;-)
@mmike76
@mmike76 4 жыл бұрын
there was an advertisement I had to listen to before I could watch your informative presentation and I thought I'd ask you about it. The topic was Lazar welding. So I thought I'd ask . Thanks
@Duck59
@Duck59 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I needed the refresher course.
@lucbrouillette5021
@lucbrouillette5021 2 жыл бұрын
Justin. Great talent. Super quality on non standard jobs. One question or challenge. How do you or actually can you weld in an aluminium cylinder head port to add metal to the base of the port. . From the base of the valve to the intake gasket to reshape it into a D port? It is so small and you can't see what you are doing. Do you have a way of doing it?
@UniteForgetLeftRight
@UniteForgetLeftRight 4 жыл бұрын
I welded low pressure SS pipe and plate with a flux cored wire process for years and one thing I really wish I tried while I was there was back purging the pipe. At my current job we're getting some of this wire per my suggestion and now I'll get to try it next time we need some SS welded.
@jonknee9851
@jonknee9851 4 жыл бұрын
I was a pipe welder for the food industry and I can tell you that getting a correct purge weld is not as easy as it seems. It should be smooth and free of discoloration
@RHBTurbochargers
@RHBTurbochargers 7 жыл бұрын
love your videos, a lot of what we learned here will reflect on our build on our channel!
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for watching!
@larrymasterspowerbuildingc4477
@larrymasterspowerbuildingc4477 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFabricatorSeries I'm going in for a stainless steel testg and an an aluminum test today at a company that maks custom gates and fences. I've never TIG welded aluminum or stainless but I have TIG welded mild steel in welding school. This was a great video to help m at least start my entry into TIG, which is where I want to specialize for the long run. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!
@Equiluxe1
@Equiluxe1 7 жыл бұрын
I usually use masking tape over pipe ends for purging, on some sheet work I use masking tape as well to cover the back of the weld. it leaves a nasty sticky mess but cleans off OK. Have also used ceramic tape made specially for back purge as well, thats quite expensive but for some jobs essential.
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
I either use the plugs shown (which we have been torture testing for a long time now) or foil. Sometimes I use PET tape as well.
@rhodescecil1210
@rhodescecil1210 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing. I did some welding on stainless tubing today and it was awesome to see the inside weld. Thanks again.
@voiceofreason9400
@voiceofreason9400 Ай бұрын
Can you still set up a back purging system if you're welding open root stainless pipe? Will the argon gas just escape through the open gap?
@bryanhauschild4376
@bryanhauschild4376 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Is there any issue if you get solar flux on the mating surfaces?
@user71738
@user71738 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Thanks for your video, it was very helpful, as I have not had a great deal of experience in Tig welding stainless steel tube etc. I'm going to be back purging 75mm stainless steel tube on a job I will be doing in the next few days. Just wondering if you would be able to assist me with a couple questions that I have. Much appreciated, and I sincerely appreciate your advice. Just wondering what gas flow rate do you recommend for back purging over a approximate distance of 3 feet. This weld piece has a number of outlets tacked in place and to be fully welded in position. The thickness of the material is 2mm. What would be the ideal amperage settings for this weld procedure?
@superdupergrover9857
@superdupergrover9857 6 жыл бұрын
rule of thumb: if working on a nuclear reactor, use the most argon you think you can get away with. if working on ugly modern art, use the least argon you think you can get away with or don't use any and say you did it on purpose.
@77Avadon77
@77Avadon77 6 жыл бұрын
I've been welding for 20 years and this is the first I've heard of purging. lmao shows you how needed it is in the blacksmithing/fabrication industry. lol
@traininggrounds9450
@traininggrounds9450 5 жыл бұрын
@@77Avadon77 Yeah I was told that you just weld it right to not burn through the other side. If you get sugaring it means you are welding too hot and slow. I was allowed only a little sugaring to pass my tests in school but we did no purging and we were told it wasn't necessary.
@77Avadon77
@77Avadon77 5 жыл бұрын
@@traininggrounds9450 There's sooo many different arenas of welding that some of these things I think most will never use. For example, welding in Medical, Aerospace, etc. Many of these arenas the average welder will never come across some of these super specialized areas.
@teresashinkansen9402
@teresashinkansen9402 4 жыл бұрын
As someone that its just starting to learn to weld high and ultra high vacuum components its been hammered into me every day, I even dream about it....
@squuzcentral15
@squuzcentral15 7 жыл бұрын
Even if you back purge, you will get carbide precipitation in the HAZ if you use regular 304 and 316 stainless. It must be 304c and 316c. C in this case means low carbon. Carbide precipitation is not a surface thing. It is internal in the weld. Also, you can get cleaner welds is you wipe down with acetone. In the medical device industry the saying is discolored weld means bad gas or dirty surface.
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
As mentioned in the beginning - not getting too in depth about it haha. I could go for days talking about all the details but it would be hours long.
@squuzcentral15
@squuzcentral15 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, I hear you. You have just scratched the surface. hahaYou are right. It would be days long. Years ago, I saw a pacemaker fall in half due to carbide precipitation in the HAZ. That made an unforgettable impression! Carbide precipitation's main problem is corrosion resistance ccompromise.Thanks for your videos.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 5 жыл бұрын
@@squuzcentral15 you mean 304L
@jumpjack69
@jumpjack69 5 жыл бұрын
What about regular stainless exhaust? Do you back purge that? Or is that up to the customer? I've read about the Solar flux, do you present that as a option for the customer?
@SRZRB
@SRZRB 6 жыл бұрын
That solar flux is amazing.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 3 жыл бұрын
The huge rear green screen background footage format is next level compared to any white board... anywhere in 2021
@nymustang5084
@nymustang5084 3 жыл бұрын
Is the back purge always running or just when the Tig Torch is engaged?
@taylorzimmerman8221
@taylorzimmerman8221 4 жыл бұрын
what brand of purge plugs do you use @the fabrication series looking to buy some , and which do you prefer the silicone one or nylon ? thanks for the great video on back purging 💪
@thyresias194
@thyresias194 7 жыл бұрын
Happy new year from France my friend, great video as usual :-)
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! Thanks for watching!
@925goodies
@925goodies 6 жыл бұрын
dude, kick ass video, you explained that so great and kept my attention
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Ggon636
@Ggon636 4 жыл бұрын
Question. What would be the best way to get a smooth inner surface of the tube? Would I just grind it or is there an alternative method?
@CraigACTIONJackson
@CraigACTIONJackson 6 жыл бұрын
Very good info, I've learned a lot. Thank you!
@JT2JZ
@JT2JZ Жыл бұрын
Would a stainless steel car exhaust need to be back purged? It’s not structural and I would be curious if the carbon from engine combustion would coat the inside of the weld and protect it after a short amount of run time? Also is cleaning material before welding with brake cleaner instead of acetone acceptable? Being a mechanic I have tons of brake clean all the time but not a lot of acetone.
@jameswieler3295
@jameswieler3295 4 жыл бұрын
Is 409 stainless reactive? It isn't austenitic, it's ferritic but does that mean it isn't reactive? What filler rod should be used?
@visa5175
@visa5175 Жыл бұрын
What is your opinion about backpurging with mig gas? 😅 its like 82% argon 18% CO2. Would be just so easy to do and dont need to buy any equipment.
@rogerfroud300
@rogerfroud300 6 жыл бұрын
I have a terrible memory, so I found that it was easy to forget to turn the purge gas on or off when I'm doing a lot of welds. That's either bad news for the weld or for your pocket since gas is expensive. The solution for me was to have a second solenoid valve for the purge gas that actuates when the torch gas is on. Simple but effective.
@stevephillips8719
@stevephillips8719 5 жыл бұрын
Hey can you come to Australia and teach here? You are the bomb man!
@iancharnas
@iancharnas 3 жыл бұрын
This really is a wonderful video. Thanks for making these!
@doubleboost
@doubleboost 6 жыл бұрын
Great content very well edited
@spleno1
@spleno1 5 жыл бұрын
All good info, however I wish you would have touched more on your solar flux. Building non turbo headers, and can back purge, but if I can run solar flux on everything before tacking it all together, then I wont have to cut it all up to back purge.
@jekkershinator4671
@jekkershinator4671 2 жыл бұрын
Great Job, These videos Help a ton.
@choleaoum1383
@choleaoum1383 5 жыл бұрын
amazing video, informative and straight to the point.
@2732hill
@2732hill 5 жыл бұрын
What about nitrogen as purge? I’m an A/c tech and we purge the copper piping with nitrogen and it’s clean, it acts same way by removing atmosphere from inside. Or is actual welding and stainless require argon?
@dewexdewex
@dewexdewex 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there's any mileage in making a set of inlflatable toroidal balloon plugs? This may make them easier to push into/pull out of interior situations which are awkward and may reduce the amount of Ar required if they can be moved into closer proximities either side of a weld.
@joshtheking1772
@joshtheking1772 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry I use a wet rag stuffed into the end of the tube and double layer duct tape with a hole poked into it in the other end for argon gas to flow and it works great. Never found the need tfor anything else and it's cheap.
@insaynbcr
@insaynbcr 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent information as I have been wondering how to go about back purging. Still need to locate a dual flow regulator, as I don't have room for a second Argon tank. Thanks!
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Just do a quick online search but do avoid the cheap regulators that are around $100 or less. They aren't very good.
@insaynbcr
@insaynbcr 7 жыл бұрын
I was afraid of that. $100 being considered lower quality.
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
The problem is consistency. They will show something like 10 CFH, but the flow is either much less or much more that your argon goes away really fast. That's actually more expensive than buying a good regulator the first time.
@insaynbcr
@insaynbcr 7 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Thx.b
@maxmorter503
@maxmorter503 6 ай бұрын
What if I need to put a small pipe all the way through a larger pipe do I purge both? The inner of 2nd don't need to be sanitary but the other does
@leenux1707
@leenux1707 7 жыл бұрын
I have learn a lot !! thank you can I purge with CO2 ? or an other cheap gaz ?
@Tracy_Grimshaw
@Tracy_Grimshaw 7 жыл бұрын
Lee Nux I assume not. He said purging is the separate the weld from the atmosphere to prevent oxidation. Co2 is in the atmosphere, as well as nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen etc
@christianloya5238
@christianloya5238 7 жыл бұрын
CO2 cannot be used as a purge gas but nitrogen can be used as a cost effective alternative.
@patw52pb1
@patw52pb1 7 жыл бұрын
CO2 is a reactive gas and what you are needing is a non-reactive, inert or noble shielding/purge gas. My rule of thumb is only use a back purge gas that is suitable as a TIG welding shielding gas for the material being welded or if it is a spec job (WPS), use only what is called for in the spec. Most times 100% argon is speced for most stainless.
@Dino30ish
@Dino30ish 7 жыл бұрын
I was always told any non flammable gas can be used as long as it forces the oxygen out of the tube ......... But I am not a pro welder , and these videos have been teaching me a lot about what can and can not be done ......
@patw52pb1
@patw52pb1 7 жыл бұрын
+Christian Loya Nitrogen is not a good choice for some stainless TIG purge, it can cause issues in the weld and with Tungsten degradation. Atmospheric air is approximately 80% Nitrogen.
@martinandersson3827
@martinandersson3827 5 жыл бұрын
a good tip for getting the right and even gas flow from the plug is to insert a copper pipe into the plug of 4mm large, then you get even and fine flow from the plug
@benwoods9065
@benwoods9065 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, learnt lots and explained well 👍
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@dennys5028
@dennys5028 3 жыл бұрын
That was the problem when crawling up inside a f105 on the flight line. No way to backup and parts eventually failed. Too many welds led to NRTS of a lot of parts.
@liamrowley5734
@liamrowley5734 6 жыл бұрын
This might be a dumb question but if I were to weld two stainless tokens/plates together do I purge? And how do I go about it?
@makerintraining1730
@makerintraining1730 6 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about using nitrogen to backpurge vs argon?
@deathsicon
@deathsicon 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe some notes on plugging irregular shaped parts for purging? Looking at doing a job that would involve that problem and I haven't dealt with any purging yet
@toolman9081
@toolman9081 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Loved it. most of it I already knew, but you did great with your presentation! Thanks KS much, keep up the great work! BTW what is it you're wearing on your wrists? If I may ask?
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wear wrist bands that have my signature #GetStrong phrase on them. They're pretty helpful for work. They're available on the website if you're interested.
@toolman9081
@toolman9081 7 жыл бұрын
The Fabrication Series Yes, thank you. I do want them. Thanks again for your great videos and keep up the great work! :)
@jfeal
@jfeal 2 жыл бұрын
very well done! good theory, 👍
@sonikempire
@sonikempire 6 жыл бұрын
Where can I purchase the purge plugs? Tried searching online with no luck, what's the proper name for the ones you were using in the video. Thanks.
@Slaprox
@Slaprox 6 жыл бұрын
Ivan WNY, purge plugs dot com
@tomwilson9024
@tomwilson9024 5 жыл бұрын
Is Solar Flux the brand name? Or what the product is called despite who makes it? I never heard of it but have used what we call "backing tape" a few times... it's utter crap.
@erikrummel6277
@erikrummel6277 4 жыл бұрын
What triggers the purge? As in, the machine opens the valve to flow to the torch, but the line to the purge is just open from the time you turn the knob until you go back to the tank and close it again?
@sailingmarie7097
@sailingmarie7097 4 жыл бұрын
So for a SS 316 searailing on a boat solar flux B is perfect? I can’t use Argon everywhere, since it will be closed completely... Solar flux is a perfect substitute for argon gas in this case?
@drealraj
@drealraj 7 жыл бұрын
good video... I am gooding to try to build a pair of header with mid steal, is back purging needed there?
@D-WAKE
@D-WAKE 7 жыл бұрын
Keion Rajcoomar no
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Mild steel does not require back purging.
@drealraj
@drealraj 7 жыл бұрын
thank you first time i will be trying anything like this
@mcqcjc8409
@mcqcjc8409 3 жыл бұрын
Seems that only way to not purge is making wider thicker joint so it does not penetrate inside causing popcorn but its thick enough outside to hold the pieces. It wont work if u need flat seams of course but it did job for me
@dennismillus4581
@dennismillus4581 4 жыл бұрын
Is purging necessary for all stainless steal pipes? I have 20' pipes to weld together so purging pipes that long purging will be difficult.
@ruslankurbanov5499
@ruslankurbanov5499 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, is it possible to use acetone to mix paste? I apologize for the automatic transfer.
@nkosimkhize299
@nkosimkhize299 3 жыл бұрын
Can I back purge and use solar flux as well
@ElPants21
@ElPants21 7 жыл бұрын
great video. really professional, loved it
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Blacktopmafia660
@Blacktopmafia660 4 жыл бұрын
You know it’s good. When you like it before you watch it.
@MrJarrell76
@MrJarrell76 7 жыл бұрын
I was just explaining this to my nephew and why its so important to do when welding stainless steel
@TheFabricatorSeries
@TheFabricatorSeries 7 жыл бұрын
Very important step
@rafihussain
@rafihussain 6 жыл бұрын
Great job. Learned a lot. Thanks
@Jim-qc6gu
@Jim-qc6gu 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your knowledge 👍
@hiteracing1489
@hiteracing1489 3 жыл бұрын
How well is the solar flux with flux core stainless steel mig welding
@Allegedly2right
@Allegedly2right 2 жыл бұрын
I am a timeserved welder done the lot and you want to see some of the crap that I have put in and guess what it is still in production and when we do rip outs no roots banged together and capped Petro Chem in service for 20 year on the oil rigs aswell.Stood the test of time I kid you not 🇬🇧 😂.At the end of the day they don’t pay enough for me to worry about build you another one.40 year in the game
@mohdsalama7229
@mohdsalama7229 4 жыл бұрын
How much volume used in this proccess? Is the any equation that can apply on different sizes to valculatr the amount of gas needed
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