Fujifilm X-M5 vs Sony ZV-E10 II - Wildly Different

[@thefilmalliance]

Which camera would you like for me to compare against the FujiFilm X-M5?

[@rbnarby1381]

EOS R10

[@antimotivation10]

@@thefilmalliance s'il te plaît, il sera commercialisé quand cette caméra ? Je ne l'ai pas trouvé sur Amazon

[@amermeleitor]

@@thefilmalliance I hope Nikon launch a Z30II. That would be a great comparison. Now the Z50II is near the price, but is a different kind of camera. Anyway a XM5 vs Z50II is a comparison I would watch for sure.

[@mattlife25]

The Fuji stills look way better imo. I would definitely pick that over the sony

[@thefilmalliance]

This is a common reason why Sony is losing to Fuji in the creative looks game. Sony has the upper hand when it comes to auto focus.

[@Nqk27123456]

​@@thefilmalliance the Sony is more appealing to pros who shoot RAW and know how to edit their footage to their own liking. XM5 is more appealing to beginners

[@xavierpierre1676]

@@Nqk27123456 but they both shoot raw and also xm5 records in raw?

[@PersianBaki]

@@Nqk27123456Totally agree . Great point

[@elliechen4837]

I think so too but still bought this sony bc I shopped in a physical store and I tried it. It sounds like Fuji M5 is lighter, but Sony zve10ii feels even lighter to me (may be the material and the grip). I have a fuji xt30ii and love fuji, but I feel that sony is smoother with taking videos and feels so much lighter than all the fujis

[@pdcorlis]

Great Review! For me, I’d make my decision based on the look of the images. Personally, I prefer the character of the Fuji images compared to the more clinical look of the Sony.

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks, I kind of feel the same way. But Sonys autofocus is what keeps me in the Sony ecosystem

[@zahinazham]

I think its pretty clear that if you are a video focused creator, then the ZV-E10 II is the way to go. It blows the Fuji especially when it comes to low light recording. I can immediately tell that Camera B is the Sony when I saw how it handles low light compared to Camera A. However, if you're a photography first creator, then i think the Fuji edges it out a little bit more. Especially with the Fuji film simulations that everyone's raving about.

[@thefilmalliance]

Hey Zahina, I value your opinion. That’s pretty insane you could see the difference from the low light shots. Good eye bro

[@xavierpierre1676]

I would say the fuji is the video creator camera since you can shoot 6k open gate and raw if you use HDMI.

[@bassyey]

Fuji can't focus on video too lol.

[@tahjaespencer3463]

As of writing this comment I am currently in Barbados with the Fuji XM5 and a Lumix S511 and i haven’t used the Lumix. I say this to say that the XM5 is the best value for money. I would recommend that you try to get one, really fun cameras, super specked out. Trust me

[@thefilmalliance]

That sounds like a great vacation combo. I second the "Xm5 is the best value for money"

[@xhiragmedia]

I was originally going to buy the Fuji film XM-5 but my peers quickly told me to invest a little more and snag a a6700, best purchase I've made in a long while.

[@thefilmalliance]

You have some great friends. The Sony a6700 is an amazing camera. What lenses did you pick up with it?

[@xhiragmedia]

@@thefilmalliance I got the usual Sigma 18-50 with some filters from K&F

[@thefilmalliance]

@@xhiragmedia My favorite all around lens

[@raymondlaprise4691]

Boutta get myself a zv e10 ii with the same combo, do you guys recommend to get the kit lens also or should I save the 100€ and put it on some mics ? The new dji mini are hyping me so much !!

[@Hi-how-are-you-today.]

Sony definitely needs to add silver tops to more of their cameras besides the A7c series

[@thefilmalliance]

That would be cool. Retro style is back

[@ProjectLabz]

Imagine if they added silver tops, IBIS,compact body and 6k open gate.

[@Hi-how-are-you-today.]

@ they need to save some features for the a6000 line

[@ProjectLabz]

@Hi-how-are-you-today. was just saying that because lumix have that exact body. LUMIX S9

[@PersianBaki]

@@ProjectLabzI wish they add open gate to A7v

[@BuzzAdven]

Excellent detailed comparison. Think its hands down Sony. AF & customization is just way better with Sony. And the auto modes make everything super user friendly with excellent results. The Fuji is more for the person looking to have fun playing with the camera to keep them feeling inspired. But thats the beauti of camera's all depends on what the user is looking for the camera and what they really need. I have Sony, Fuji, and Lumix. I personally think Lumix S series is the way to go for me.

[@thefilmalliance]

You can say that becuase you own Fuji and Sony. Thank you for your honest opinion. I have got to try out a Lumix S series.

[@JoshRiva]

Awesome comparison, the high quality production value and cinematic style in all your videos is the best on KZbin!!! I just bought the original Sony ZV-E10 last week thanks to all your in-depth reviews. I couldn't justify the price jump from the first to second version. Now I'm wondering if I should return the ZV-E10 and get an X-M5 as it is only a bit more expensive. I will be using it primarily for video but looking to get into some photography as well. Thanks again for all that you do!

[@thefilmalliance]

You’ve got a great set up with the ZV-E10 and I am so happy you found value in my reviews. As far as switching over to Fuji, you’ll need X-mount lenses and new batteries. Is that in your budget? If so, id say make the leap. Sometimes the best creativity comes from shaking things up

[@Nqk27123456]

The Fuji is the better toy. The Sony is the better tool.

[@thefilmalliance]

Well said, but the XM5 records in 6K and outputs B-raw. That’s a pretty nice toy

[@Nqk27123456]

@thefilmalliance Indeed. I mean I wish I could have a camera like that growing up, having the capability to do anything at a moderate price. Students would love that! On the other hand, customers and employers may not be happy if my camera have trouble focusing under low light or can't keep up without changing batteries, and the ZVE10II would save me the headace since it's a somewhat more "matured" video camera. It just works without hiccups.

[@thefilmalliance]

Yes, I know. Imagine having this camera when we were young.

[@BioCosplay]

Great comparison! I think I'll end up going with the ZV-E10 II. I film action figure reviews on a tripod so I mainly need good color reproduction and reliable autofocus when moving the figures around and showing the small details. Plus I'm frequently removing the SD card to take it to the pc for editing which I think could get a bit annoying on the X-M5.

[@thefilmalliance]

Yes the side loading of the SD card will be greatly useful to you. Go with the ZV-E10 II in my opinion. Thanks for the compliment

[@g_lantos]

Still got my first version of ZV-E10 as a walk around camera (besides my FX3 and A7IV - for work) and its a little beast... paired with a Yongnuo 16 f1.8 or a 35 f1.4 GM lens and the quality is still amazing, and it so compact, the only issue is the non existing IBIS, that's the only reason I am thinking to sell it and get the A6700.

[@thefilmalliance]

I would personally stick with the first ZV-E10 for now and maybe pick up a gimbal? or look in the used market for the Sony a6700?

[@TechWithWicky]

Great comparison. After arguing in my head a lot, decided to go with the xm5 as it has the more balanced approach. And bought a prime with the extra 200 bucks I saved by choosing it. Sony seems bit struggling with pricing & what features should not be included in Sony zv-e10 ii so people would not consider a6700 as an option for just 300$ more.

[@thefilmalliance]

You're right, that is a very tight price gap. What prime did you get?

[@fromia1]

Excellent comparison as always ❤ I don't know if you have done this before, but I would love to see a comparison video between the Lumix S9 and the Sony ZV-E1.

[@thefilmalliance]

Okay, I’ll to some research on that one

[@Govardhan_Outdoors]

Which is the best overall 2024 budget king camera and also professional camera..?

[@GregorMima]

Define Professional? Some would say FX30. Some would say ZV-E10.

[@thefilmalliance]

What will you be using it for? What lenses do you own? What’s your budget?

[@thefilmalliance]

@@GregorMima good question

[@Govardhan_Outdoors]

@thefilmalliance present iam using old canon m50 .. 11-22 f/4-5.6 is stm... i upgrade some new camera so please suggest budget around 3,50,000..!

[@arielish4214]

Lumix s5 mark I

[@amermeleitor]

I love small cameras, that's the reason i ditched Nikon (I still think Nikon have the best colors and overall rendering image). I have Sony now because the small full frame bodies and small lenses. But always looking at Fuji because of how Fuji makes the images feel "real". The Fujis have weak IR filter, that's one of the reasons for the magenta tint. Just slap an IR filter in front of your lens and that's it. A lot of high end cinema cameras have weak IR filters on the sensor too and there are reasons for that. The Fuji log video with your Sony grading on it looks perfect. The Sony "yellow" near the sun looks disgustingly greenish, the Fuji looks perfect.

[@thefilmalliance]

That’s a great point about the IR filter, I didn’t know that. I’ll have to try one out. Could you believe how similar the log footage looked before the grade? Do you think that’s to the sensors manufacturing?

[@amermeleitor]

@thefilmalliance Josh Sattin made a video here in KZbin about the Fuji XH2S IR pollution. Is clear when you use ND filters that haven't IR filtering, so you cut other light but let the IR pass. The blacks looks dark magenta, but with an IR filter that's solved. Other brands like Sony or Canon have strong IR filters and no matter what you do, no IR light goes to the sensor. You are right, the log files looks similar, but the difference is clear after the grading. I think sensor manufacturing have little to do with final image, even for different technology like CCD vs CMOS there isn't difference at pure data level. The major differences are the filters, microlensing, and everything is on top the sensor, before the sensor. And most of all, the in camera processing. Even raw files have some sort of processing.

[@paulliddement]

Both great cameras for that travel type market. Both jam packed with features but also missing things and having large compromises, 1x card slot, no IBIS, no viewfinder. Sony missing a joystick and Fuji missing that shutter dial. Once you pop the gripping the Fuji it’s no longer pocket friendly. It begs the question to me, is it easier to just buy a used A7 iii for the same price which covers these things. I love the weight and the apsc line has some great lenses that are small and compact, but I think I’m still holding out for one that has a joystick and all the other missing features. I think the a6700 comes close but there’s no joystick on that. Saying this though 2x card slots, is overkill when you think how many times it has come in useful but if you are a pro you can’t take the chance. Overall both are great I’m glad both companies are releasing these lines and I’m looking forward to seeing what comes next. Thanks be quick question can you externally record and internally at the same time on the Fuji? Much love for the channel man.

[@thefilmalliance]

Hey Paul, thanks for the comment. All very insightful. You are schooled up on both of these cameras. I appreciate it. As far as the dual recording, I do not know because I’m not a live streamer. If I ever hook it up to do a live stream, I’ll have to test it out and let you know

[@brianbach5096]

Great video as always. I almost picked up the X-M5 but X-S20 was on sale making them almost the same price so I ended up pick it instead. Love it so far even though the AF is a bit slow compare to Sony, still great product, hopefully future firmware update would improve it

[@thefilmalliance]

Thank you, Wow almost the same price? What a deal on the XS20.

[@brianbach5096]

@ yeah X-S20 was on sale and also Fuji gives $150 cash back making the X-S20 about $109 more than the X-M5 😬 If only Sony A6700 had the same offer I would have pick it up in stead, low budget problem 😭

[@thefilmalliance]

What a find, WOW. Good job man

[@antimotivation10]

J'ai le x-s20 et l'autofocus est super rapide. Il faut le mettre à jour chef. Et je prendrai le m5 aussi car c'est le même capteur

[@_haru_na]

Really great comparison! I chose Fuji (specifically the X-E4 because of the stills output) Quit sony after using them since 2012, starting from the Nex-6! Could care less about AF performance since I mainly use manual lenses anyways.

[@thefilmalliance]

Wow, you've been in the game for a long time, I'm starting to think that maybe I should switch over to manual lenses and quiting autofocus

[@bastian.michel]

Great video! It would be super helpful if you could include the crop factors for each shooting mode next time.

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks, okay, I’ll have to do that in the future

[@xavierpierre1676]

fuji takes the cake 200$ less for a very similar package but shoots 6k and records in RAW.

[@thefilmalliance]

That is a big difference! For sure. But what about autofocus?

[@xavierpierre1676]

​@@thefilmalliance the autofocus to me is good enough but Sony will always be better. but to me that doesn't justify 200$ and missing 6k and raw.

[@thefilmalliance]

I agree with you Xavier

[@Shubham_edit777]

Suggest camera between Sony zv e10 and Sony Alpha a6600 for photography and videography

[@thefilmalliance]

What lenses do you own? What will you be shooting?

[@Shubham_edit777]

@thefilmalliance sigma 30 mm f 1.4 plz suggest

[@ferryhmm]

As always, really good review. Personally I ordered the XM-5, because it's more compact, 6k open gate, mechanical shutter for photos, cheaper and I think it looks better as well (not that that matters though lmao). However, there is two questions I have which not a single review on KZbin has answered yet: 1. Which one has the better rolling shutter performance when it comes to video? 2. When used as a webcam (e.g for streaming hours at a time), how do they compare when it comes to overheating?

[@thefilmalliance]

Both great questions, I’ll test out rolling shutter for video when I put out the review. Did you receive the xm5 yet? I hear it’s on back order again

[@raymondlaprise4691]

I personally didn’t think that the XM-5 could be plugged as a webcam directly like sony allows

[@jakejayme1323]

Is iphone 13 good for vlogging or go with zve10 planning to make content for instagram or youtube:) thanks sir

[@thefilmalliance]

I haven't tested the iPhone 13 for vlogging, but I can tell you I love the ZV-E10

[@bugraakbay]

XM5’s colors are more attractive than ZVE10 II’s. However, reliable autofocus can be a good reason for many people to choose ZVE10 II. Personally I would buy neither of them. IBIS is a deal breaker, so I would choose Sony A6500 over these two.

[@thefilmalliance]

The A6500 is a great camera, especially if you need in-body image stabilization. Are you a photography first shooter?

[@niklasrognaldsen8396]

wow the sony has such cinematic colors:) i really enjoed the footage taken on it

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks, do you own Sony cameras?

[@hoatd1993]

21:57 The image quality of ZV-E10 is noticeably better than the X-M5 with color banding visible.

[@thefilmalliance]

Good eye, so your team ZV-E10 II ?

[@tanrol1]

Thank you a lot for your great video and informations , respectfully Roland Tan

[@thefilmalliance]

Hi Roland, it’s my pleasure

[@krishnavatsvayi]

If this is needed compared to Nikon Z50ii, what are your thoughts.

[@thefilmalliance]

That would be a great comparison. Okay, I’ll look into it

[@VechaiKoban]

fuji images always have soul in them straight out of the cameras, they are for who shoot casually and want the best from the cameras, sony is really for the pros who can edit well.

[@thefilmalliance]

I like that breakdown. Are you a casual shooter or pro? (Which one do you plan on buying?)

[@MTKnockOut]

Finally a comparison this took to long thank you

[@MTKnockOut]

Just the right guy too! I bought your Fuji luts for Sony but I dislike Sony so much, going back to lumix

[@thefilmalliance]

Hey man, cool, wow back to Lumix. Why do you hate Sony?

[@thefilmalliance]

sorry for the wait

[@MTKnockOut]

@ the ZV-E1 looks too grainy my g9 looks better but can’t hold focus. The lumix system provides 10x more with a smoother interface. Sony looks garbage this is the worst image quality ever indoors. I bought Sony for low light and it’s a joke

[@MTKnockOut]

@ I have a deal to trade my ZV-E1 for an S9 Do you have any words to the wise I require the least grain and Good AF The zv-E1 has been really grainy for me

[@1izia]

Hello! Do you know ZV-e10 II have the same strange color hlg3 like a6700, that do not match zv-e1 hlg?

[@thefilmalliance]

I did not know that. Are you an HlG shooter?

[@1izia]

@thefilmalliance I shoot with 5 cameras 4 zv e10 and 1 zv e1, in hlg3. Because zv e10 only have 8 bit video. I bought and sell 6700 because strange hlg colors, it do not match

[@thefilmalliance]

Wow thatd awesome

[@1izia]

@@thefilmalliance there is no s-log 2 in new cameras and best profile for multicam with 8 bit cameras is hlg. Maybe you can check hlg profile in Sony zv e10 ii?

[@dccoletrain]

Not in the market for either camera (I own enough cameras from this generation😂) but fascinating video. Both beer impressive for the price. I like having a EVF and bigger battery

[@thefilmalliance]

I feel the same way, thats one of the reasons the a6700 is always by my side. I'm glad you found the video insightful.

[@robertluxamafreethinker]

It would be nice to see a Low Light ISO Noise Test Comparative between them

[@thefilmalliance]

That is a great idea for a future video. Thanks for the feedback

[@kelvinbirioti]

Finally😊

[@thefilmalliance]

Were you the one that asked for this?

[@kelvinbirioti]

@thefilmalliance no, But l saw his comment and l was sure you would respond. I want to buy a6700 l hope lm making a good choice. I would be happy to speak to you on a personal level lm in Africa and l really need to take my work to another level

[@thefilmalliance]

Can you get a used Sony a6700 with the sigma 18-50 mm F2.8? I believe that will be your perfect set up.

[@kelvinbirioti]

@@thefilmalliance thank you 👏👏👏

[@thefilmalliance]

My pleasure

[@ivanyeow]

Crazy production value!

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks Ivan

[@MyCreativeDisorder]

Really good video, If Sony would have a mechanical shutter I would buy it in a heartbeat. That is the only thing I hate in my ZV-E1.

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks, Do you mean a mechanical shutter?

[@MyCreativeDisorder]

@thefilmalliance yes :) I misspelled

[@thefilmalliance]

I thought so. I agree with you by the way

[@GuggiLFC]

Weird how green the Sony seems to be, the picture @16:39 looks way off

[@rickyross9073]

yoo i knew these sunsets and beaches look familiar! i was just out there a couple weeks ago.

[@thefilmalliance]

That’s awesome, it’s the perfect place to test out these 2 cameras

[@lionheart4424]

Good video! Those camera sensors need to be cleaned from dust 👀

[@thefilmalliance]

we have the dust blower just off-camera

[@dr.shamsulbinmuhamad8739]

The camera worth buying is weatherproof/waterproof.

[@thefilmalliance]

Action camera?

[@ytSouljah]

Sony should've kept the mechanical shutter

[@thefilmalliance]

I know it

[@jamesscharnitz7640]

Great video. I bought the X-M5 before watching this haha

[@thefilmalliance]

You’ll love it. What are your first impressions?

[@jamesscharnitz7640]

so far I do like it but with my primary body being Panasonic and shooting mostly canon in the past, the menu system is a lot to learn. Still trying to customize it to my liking

[@Sparky.07]

[@thefilmalliance]

Appreciate

[@danefarnsworth]

You say get the X-M5 so you don't have to wait on a x100vi but the X-M5 isn't shipping from anywhere until next April....

[@thefilmalliance]

Oh dang, that stinks. Do you plan on picking one up? When is the x100vi shipping?

[@alpiston]

Fuji all the way

[@thefilmalliance]

Please explain why. Thanks

[@alpiston]

@ because i liked fuji shots better!!! As simple as that!

[@thefilmalliance]

@@alpiston that’s simple and profound all in a few words. Thank you Alpiston

[@xavierpierre1676]

the biggest downfall of the xm5 in my opinion because I have it is the record button it records in auto when you press it and there is no option to change settings which to me is an issue because I would like to record video in any setting I have

[@thefilmalliance]

Wait, why don’t you switch to manual before you record?

[@xavierpierre1676]

@@thefilmalliance it doesn't work when you hit the physical record button on the camera.

[@BestToWonder]

I like camera B, let's see what I got.

[@thefilmalliance]

Was your mind changed by the end?

[@DahanLiam]

thank you

[@thefilmalliance]

My pleasure

[@antimotivation10]

M5👑

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks

[@josecolon8143]

A cage WILL NOT protect a camera if it falls to the ground.

[@thetwilightzone2541]

Why not compare to the a6700

[@thefilmalliance]

I could do that

[@pranayacreative]

Xm5 all the way

[@thefilmalliance]

Please explain why you like the xm5 better?

[@MrJafar]

Sony is the right choice. Reason? Reliable autofocus.

[@thefilmalliance]

You’ve got a great point, that’s definitely an important factor to consider. Do you own Sony?

[@MrJafar]

@thefilmalliance I have 2 Sony camera and 2 Canon. I just know I never buy a Canon camera anymore.

[@thefilmalliance]

I see, yes most Sony users find other cameras autofocus subpar

[@tiagobrancoprata7578]

we need a xm5 tutorial :D PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[@tiagobrancoprata7578]

and i subbed cause this was by far the best video ive seen on the xm5. Your script is on point ! And your presentation skills keep my adhd in check :D

[@zyxyuv1650]

I'm ready to leave Sony because Sony can't allow higher than 4K recording because of their fake limitations to protect their cinema cameras. They're so lame and fake, they can't even allow 4K DCI. Without fake limitations, Fujifilm, Nikon, and Panasonic are allowed to walk all over Sony. Sony isn't even allowed to respond competitively. This is a very bad situation. If this continues, I'll be complaining about 4K for an entire decade. I've had enough of this. I want to be able to do basic stuff like punch in on my 6K recorded @ 16mm. I want to do that because it's utilitarian functional stuff I'm trying to do. It's not some film maker elitist thing. Sony stopped being a leader 5 years ago, and it's all because of some artificial market tiering.

[@thefilmalliance]

Oh wow, so you don’t think we will get 8K? What about the Sony Alpha mark 1 and 2?

[@Mraz75]

At the beach scene, Fuji colour is way more beautiful than Sony. I’ll go with Fujifilm xm5.😊

[@thefilmalliance]

That is a big reason why I love the Fuji color profile, it's really beautiful. Straight out of camera and no color correction is really nice

[@Mraz75]

@ yes you are right.

[@loginovm]

X-M5 stabilization looks much better for me. But still far-far-away from iPhones..

[@thefilmalliance]

Okay, you thought the Fuji X-M5 looked better. Yes phones are way better

[@harsh_graphy__7]

Camera A is Sony zve and camera B Fujifilm

[@thefilmalliance]

Good try, you have one more guess

[@harsh_graphy__7]

@thefilmalliance Fujifilm is very good for cinematic shots and also best for random clicks. I am a Canon camera user but I like Fujifilm too, so in future I will definitely shift to Fujifilm.

[@thefilmalliance]

Nice and you’ll have access to all of the X-mount glass

[@mattmastrandrea3965]

I'm sorry, but your handling (form factor) comparison is honestly laughable. You're over-gripping the X-M5. Just curl your pinky and ring fingers underneath it, and you'll be able to hold it steadily and securely. Or just pinch it with your thumb, forefinger, and middle finger.

[@thefilmalliance]

What about with heavier glass? Have you used one yet?

[@mattmastrandrea3965]

@@thefilmalliance No, but I've used old slab style (gripless) cameras from the 70's with heavy glass, and the handling is the same. On a super heavy lens, you'd be supporting it via holding the lens more than anything.

[@revan2549]

Autofocus is bad on xm5. This is not even a "vs" 😂