Crypto, The Alt-Right, & Economic Desperation

[@FaiaHalo]

It's really sad to see so many bots in the comments talking about how "despite the economic downturn, I invested in x and y, ask me why!", using pfp of "real people" to try and trick people into thinking they're not just bots. It's really disgusting and dishonest. Thanks Chelsea for the awesome content!! We really need theses conversations on the left!

[@sournectarine8343]

At least it's better than the other kinds of bots that I'm expecting show up when anything related to this topic comes up

[@Oxios]

At the same time, creators almost don't have an incentive to demand it stop, because all the bots having conversations with themselves drive up engagement, which supports the algorithm putting more eyes on their content.

[@LadyOrpheus]

only a matter of time before a bot replies to this comment saying exactly that XD

[@YourMajesty143]

They're more of a nuisance than anything, and are clearly blind-posting. I rest easy knowing TFD'ers are well-versed enough in financial matters (and this channel's overall content) to see a con from a mile away. However, I do like to riff on them, if only to be sure new channel watchers don't mistakenly assume these bots are part of our audience. But the referral to Whatsapp instead of a website and the overly-exuberant & cheerful comment responses are big red flags. Unless it's on a video about cute animals, any KZbin comment thread with that much positive energy is clearly sketchy lol.

[@FaiaHalo]

@@YourMajesty143 yes, exactly

[@otsoko66]

Gay guy here - with a tight circle of gay friends. I was talking to the wife of my favourite (straight male) cousin -- She asked me to give him a call because I am his only friend. I had exactly the same conversation with the wife of my best (straight male) friend from college - that I am his only friend. Both these guys are successful in their fields, personable, great fathers, and just basic good guys. So yeah, something is happening with straight guys, and it's not good.

[@thegraymouser12]

Thank you for doing that. You are helping in ways they may not be able to articulate. As a straight man it has been gay men who have shown me throughout my life and different moments the kind of compassion I accept unreserved. Maybe because it's coming from another man but when gay men out reach to me at least I am always receptive and it shapes my life in ways my wife or my female friends can't. So many times gay men have done something or said something kind to me where I literally start crying remembering it. Just know that you are so important and so loved by many of your brothers out there.

[@lalakuma9]

Agreed, I think when people talk about "lonely straight men", they assume that their problem is they don't have a wife/girlfriend. But I think a big part of the problem is that they don't have close platonic friends that they can be emotionally close to and confide in.

[@FunnelCakeRyan]

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[@fileboy2002]

The description of many young men as “ubdersocialized” is apt. And yes, the Internet is making a bad situation even worse. The behavioral norms that typify much online interaction are appalling-endless baiting and bullying, snark and sarcasm, mockery and abuse. Men who are socialized online risk developing behaviors that are toxic and antisocial in the real world. This has to contribute to their social isolation. Nobody wants to be around guys that act like assholes all the time.

[@sarahnelson8836]

It does not help that kids (boys in particular) do not read as much- reading is critical for social development since unlike most media it puts you in the characters heads allowing you to see perspectives other than your own. Audiobooks are good too but TV and movies don’t do this as effectively

[@EtruskenRaider]

It’s also the way boys are socialized offline. I spent plenty of time in locker rooms and things aren’t much better in real life than the Internet.

[@briannawaldorf8485]

@@EtruskenRaider it’s because showing any emotion that isn’t anger or snark or cynicism is seen as effeminate and ostracised. How else do young boys express themselves but through the only channel they’re allowed? Anger and irony

[@EtruskenRaider]

@@briannawaldorf8485 exactly. It’s the same pattern whether offline or online. Norms of emotional expression are rigidly policed.

[@fileboy2002]

@@EtruskenRaider That is a fair point. But I still think online interaction makes the problem of poor male socialization even worse. The "incel" phenomenon provides a good example. When I was young--I am now almost 53--I, like many young men, went through periods of loneliness, and romantic and sexual frustration. I wanted a romantic and sexual partner, but felt like no one was interested in me. At times, I became quite depressed about it. But eventually, things got better. I met people, developed fulfilling relationships. I found out I wasn't so unlovable after all. But when I was young, there was no Internet. I wasn't able to go online and instantly immerse myself in a toxic "incel" subculture. I couldn't immediately surround myself with hundreds of other frustrated young men who would egg me on in my feelings of despair and hopelessness. No incel community was on hand wasn't spoon feed me a steady diet of entitled, self-pitying, misogynistic bullshit. The absence of the Internet gave me time to get better and gain perspective. I think a lot of young men aren't getting that time anymore because the Internet sucks them down rabbit holes of inceldom, pick up artistry, men's right, and other toxic nonsense.

[@peach_ringz_4evz]

what’s she’s saying about the complexity of progressive answers is right on. I grew up in a conservative, religious environment too, and a lot of my community just did not and still does not have the capacity or the motivation to engage with our stuff when conservative solutions are so appealingly simple and complete.

[@ryanedwards7487]

I totally understand how her experience has affected her views. On my birthday in 2009 I was laid off in round 2 of layoffs at my firm. Had I been one of the "Oh! We finally have an excuse to can most of these people!" people they laid off in round 1, I very easily would have found a job with a competitor. However...it took more than 3 years to find a job in my field. I had to move back home to save money. I had my girlfriend leave me because I didn't have funds to go out all the time. It took almost a year to find any work -- as a cashier at a Grocery Store. I took more than 14 months to find another job as a engineering drafter (before I got laid off again on the last day of a month (so they could try to avoid having to pay for another month of healthcare insurance). Then in early 2012 (Valentine's Day of 2012 no less) I finally found a job as an engineer again...making 25% less a year than I did starting out in 2006. That fundamentally changed my entire mindset on most economic and social issues. I had always been pretty socially liberal, but had been fiscally conservative. However, having to deal with the hell of getting unemployment benefits and maintaining my unemployment benefits (you have no idea how demoralizing sending out 100s of resumes to never hear a peep can truly be when you know you are qualified until you have to do so) made me understand just how unfair a "welfare queen" stereotype is--how much utter bull crap we have been fed since good ole' Ronald Reagan helped utterly destroy our country economically and ruin the middle class. Having to be a cashier and seeing who actually uses EBT/SNAP benefits and why that is so fundamentally important totally killed any remaining "welfare queen" stereotypes I still had. I feel if most of our useless representatives had actually had to go thru that the country would be MUCH better today.

[@SW-jg7yh]

Thanks for sharing this, it is so HARD.

[@markbogunovich3920]

Your story is so familiar it's almost eerie. I was laid off in 2009 from a job that I loved as a project manager at a local machine shop, about a month after my birthday. I tried to go back to school to finish my degree (I only had an associates) in mechanical engineering. I was doing great at school and getting by on unemployment (you are correct that the process of getting aid is extremely demoralizing and strips one of their dignity). After almost a year in, the government cut off further extensions to unemployment, so I had to leave school and go back to work(sidenote: a month later it was extended again). I got a job that seemed promising, but on the 89th day (benefits at 90!), they let me go. They claimed that there were "issues" with the new product that I was hired to help roll out. I eventually did find a new job, but I have never worked directly in the field of my degree again. I graduated in 2004 with $18,000 of student debt (went to a "for profit technical school; big mistake) and somehow still owe $13,000 today. My life has improved significantly since then, however, I constantly dread the future, especially if things keep going the way that they seem to be headed. Good luck and via con Dios, my friend!

[@ryanedwards7487]

@@markbogunovich3920 yeah. To this day I am the only person who graduated with a degree in Structural Engineering from my college that is still doing it (even then now I barely do any engineering, now it's all project management and budgets). We all were torn apart by a recession that specifically harmed the youngest workers, based on who ended up unemployed for an extremely long time. It was a silver lining that I lost any and all of my "welfare queen" stereotype thoughts from having to get unemployment and then having to cashier at Kroger for a long time. When you realize that EVERYONE on SNAP/EBT is either a family or single parent having to shop at 10PM on a school night while the kids sleep in the cart or do homework while the parent shops, you lose all of those horrible Reagan stereotypes (may that man burn forever in Hell alongside Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, and Richard Nixon).

[@sarahnelson8836]

I’m so sorry you had to go through that! It sounds terrible, but I am so so glad that you chose to learn and grow from the experience rather than digging in. I hope you are able to transform the injustice you experienced into action for those who are still stuck suffering under this system

[@RuthTillmanPlus]

An important caveat to your intro, I think, -- while the young men are disenfranchised/feeling more disenfranchised... the rest of us have been as much or more disenfranchised the whole time. It's a pity it doesn't lead them to instead saying "wow, if this is how everyone else feels, let's all team up."

[@rogodwynn]

RUTHHHH 🔥🔥🔥 This is an important component to the story of fiscal disenfranchisement in this country. It’s not a competition at all, but it is critically important for men to ask how they’ve been contributing to the societal exploitation of more marginalized folks. That’s the only way we might move forward to protect ourselves and each other more effectively.

[@dudeman1983]

I think that, as a society, we're slowly moving in that direction, rejecting the aggresively competitive ideal that drives that late stage, Gilded Age, "immoral" capitalism seen in cryptospheres and embracing a desperate demand for substance that keeps getting sucked out of the world by these massive powers.

[@ssoomee]

This needs to be framed, I couldn't agree more!

[@ZTanMURReneRs]

Ok so actually a big pet peeve of mine is exactly this kind of comment. We seemingly can never talk about how men face issues without someone chiming in to mention how others have it worse. And that might be true in a broad sense, but everyone is an individual. Individual men can definitely have a worse time than individual women. It just does not seem helpful that anytime men get to see people in progressive spaces taking issues they face seriously we see people who basically seem to have the complaint that maybe we're acknowledging a bit too much that men can face issues, when "there's other people who have worse issues too you know". I just can't really see how this is that different from the kind of people who feel the need to comment on feminists in western countries talking about issues women face there that "you know there's women in less progressive countries who face "ACTUAL" oppression".

[@RuthTillmanPlus]

@@ZTanMURReneRs The thing is -- if she'd said some specific men and not young men generally, I wouldn't have mentioned it! (and it's also implied young white men tbh) The point I was making is that this is a SHARED thing, a shared problem. But I'm not trying to one-up them, I want them to realize that they're in a shitty boat along with the rest of us and to work together! We need solutions for all of us, together and I think that's really important to take into account because treating this like white men's individual burden ignores the most constructive and lifegiving solutions! There are other issues where that isn't the case, but this is all of us.

[@Espinglip]

My favorite quote about ctypro is "crypto is not investing, is gambling" and they are absolutely right

[@sor3999]

@Simon Fisk No. Just stop. Crypto shares nothing with any of those. Whatever you're doing to justify it to yourself or to fleece others: don't.

[@feelzonwheelz115]

@@sor3999 That's the problem with your white male ultra conservatism. You don't like that someone is on to the fact that your old boys club already runs the same grift and you weaponize the left to shut down the competition for your scams. and when someone notices you have to make up things for a witch hunt to try to silence them. calling that out it's like Mugatu from zoolander The man has only one look for Christ's sake! Blue Steel? Ferrari? Le Tigra? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills thank your pals for trashing the housing market through derivatives the next time you are golfing with cigars with your PoC caddy

[@genier7829]

Yes, everyone should vote, and volunteer. However, one thing that was mentioned in passing is SO important. I was a local elected (unpaid) board member and it was an awful experience with the few members of the public that attended meetings. I was harassed, verbally attacked, dragged on social media and actually threatened. We had 18k voters, but only about 12 individuals regularly attended meetings. I pleaded with friends and neighbors to come, but without luck. I will never willingly serve in a public capacity again. The same with several of my fellow directors. Once you have elected people you support, continue to support them by participating in the local meetings, or emailing /submitting comments, etc. It is hard to get good people in higher office if they get burned out on the first rung of the ladder.

[@khazermashkes2316]

Thank you for sharing this! It is important to participate respectfully so that people like you can do their jobs without fear!

[@tinabean713]

Damn. I do not doubt that one bit. I'm sure every member of a school board in the US feels this so hard after 2020-2022.

[@Fixtheproblemwithgoodpolicy]

Absolutely, support people while they're in office. Instead of allowing them torture people doing the good hard work.

[@jfm14]

I know that's how local board meetings are where I live. Pretty much the only members of the public who consistently attend are religious zealots, conspiracy theorists, etc. Their goal is to make being a public servant miserable for everyone but those who hold similar beliefs.

[@Fixtheproblemwithgoodpolicy]

@@jfm14 One way to combat that is going to board meetings and working with local candidates to attend.

[@piernikowyloodek]

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[@rhenevers5229]

Great interview and very insightful. As a dude I can definitely attest to the self imposed pressure and emotional barricade that men just willingly live their life with. Whether it was learned from the culture of society or the people you surrounded yourself with; its quite the process to deprogram and unlearn. I'm still very happy that I made the phone call to sign up for therapy and to take what I learned from it seriously and apply it to my life emotionally and mentally. I have no idea how we can normalize manly men to be more receptive to seeking help or open up emotionally. Hopefully I can just live as an example that its okay to the dudes I know in my life and they can spread it out as well.

[@alexphoenix9208]

I used to be quite social, and have a ton of friends. Then I realized it wasn't real. Most of it was fake, and BS. I've cut a lot of people out of my life, and am keeping only those who leave me feeling wanted and cherished. I'm an introvert and a lone wolf. Love my GF, enjoy spending time with my band, and around live music. Socialize all day with my job. It's enough. I'd rather have a few true friends, than a horde of "meh".

[@muuuune]

It's cultural then reinforced socially. I think it starts with centering who you actually are, instead of allowing your gender to become your personality. I'm glad you're taking care of your mental health. Therapy helps get you there with owning who you are.

[@sarahnelson8836]

And for those who can’t afford therapy (because the current insurance system is not set up to value health especially mental health) there’s also books that can help like The Happiness Trap or really anything by Brene Brown (there’s a ton of workbooks that are CBT or ACT based). It’s not the same as having an human emotions/cognition expert as a mentor (ie a therapist) but just like you can learn some physical skills from a book you can learn emotional skills that way too. Just make sure whoever wrote it is a licensed MD or therapist and not some rando

[@sarahnelson8836]

@@muuuune ooof yeah I never saw it that way but you are totally right some people (men in particular) are allowing their gender to completely define them. The list of things “men don’t do” is as ridiculous as the list of things women are expected to do

[@meaghanorlinski8464]

I have been thinking that there is so much political science out there that links poverty and lack of mobility to rises in fascism. At one point, looking at economic policies that have been passed in the past few decades, you could come to the conclusion that there is a political push TOWARDS creating a fascist society...

[@FaiaHalo]

Specially in Latin America. I live here and it's sad to see how this and religion preys upon people in vulnerable positions.

[@meaghanorlinski8464]

@@FaiaHalo sadly in so many ways religion is like a wolf preying on the wounded of a herd...

[@Nanook128]

You're slightly off base on the intentionality of creating a fascist society. When you look at economics and politics through a leftist lens, you see that the emergence of fascism is a natural byproduct of capitalism as an economic system. Fascism is what happens when capitalism in the imperial core breaks down. It's like the antibodies that spring into action when capitalism enters a crisis. Check out a KZbin video "the function of fascism" if you're interested in learning more.

[@kgal1298]

In LA they blame progressives for everything, but progressives never win. We only have one on city council instead we get a lot of people who will say they're progressive, but they aren't. Also, she's right state structure and support from the monopoly of state groups is an issue. These people win because they get the party support and our often careerists. I completely agree with what she was saying. Also, our average age range in the US is 35, our average representative range is 60.

[@leiasleeping1282]

Brianna is such a great guest. She’s so intelligent, level-headed and down to earth. Wish she could achieve her goals.

[@GutsyTen42]

This was such a good episode. I recognized her name but couldn't place it at first. Then she mentioned gamer gate and I knew why I knew the name. Back in 2014-2016 when I was in highschool I was within that movement, not for hateful reasons but there was a lot of hate within it. I'm so glad to have grown and can see how I was wrong when I was younger. Thank you both for this talk

[@Kfroguar]

I'm really glad you were able to get out of the spiral that started with GG.

[@keysmashwarrior5057]

Kudos to you for being able to look back and realize you were wrong + for deciding to grow as a person - that takes a lot of integrity!

[@morganwentworth2041]

Genuine question, why were you in the movement?

[@GutsyTen42]

@@morganwentworth2041 I was young and games were becoming worse cause capitalism. I was very impressionable and due to some questionable ethics within games journalism I got caught up. I never thought of myself as hateful but there was a lot of people near the circles I was around and some content creators I watched that definitely were. At the time I thought the hate was overblown, with the benefit of hindsight I can see I was way in the wrong and a lot of people got hurt because of people like me acting like a shield to the worse parts of that movement.

[@khazermashkes2316]

Congrats on your growth!

[@GattlingCombo]

As one of the 5 dudes who watch this channel, I've been trying to get into game development for years, and it just never happened. I see story after story of how abusive well known and smaller companies have been toward their employees. I've decided to try other creative avenues but it's still very upsetting to see an industry be so toxic and exploitative. I still wanted more POCs like myself and more women and other genders and orientations to be a part of that industry and create more worlds and stories but...that industry that makes SO MUCH MONEY can't even treat people better.

[@khazermashkes2316]

I am not a gamer but I watch James Stephanie Sterling’s channel and feel similarly discouraged about AAA companies.

[@GattlingCombo]

@@khazermashkes2316 and Steph has been talking about those problems for over a decade

[@Anderswelter]

As a woman who's working in AAA and has been in the industry for 7+ years: you seem like exactly the kind of person we need more of. It's disheartening to see that the toxic people can keep away cool, self-reflective and empathetic ones. I fully understand that it can look from the outside as if it was all a dumpster fire, and we still have a long way to go as an industry, but there's great, fun, creative places.

[@dduenasc]

Same. I’m in software engineering now because the game industry’s toxicity scares me. And still, this field has a bunch of insufferable techbros too, just a bit less exploitation imo. It’s kinda sad. I just want to make an impact and be able to work collaboratively with people in a creative way jeez…

[@alixptn]

What a gracious, smart, and effective communicator this guest is. Please bring her back.

[@khirstenh4550]

I really agree with Brianna's quote that social media is a trap; it's entirely too easy to get sucked into the web of internet arguments and exhausting yourself without making any real impact. Getting involved in local /community support is definitely the way to go.

[@margehowell9697]

True that, I mean even Brianna herself is a twitter addict. On her podcast talked about having to put an Apple system in her classic cars for safety b/c she "instinctually checks" twitter. that's pretty far down the rabbit hole when it starts feeling like an instinct and you can't drive without it I suppose nobody is immune and the addicted are the ones that can really raise warning on it. I had a homeless person one time tell me to not even start drinking when I was about 19. It was a warning from the dark side, I appreciate that person every day.

[@OneEyedMonkey9000]

I’m a man. I have *never* cried in the workplace, even when a colleague died in a car crash. I took a day off when my train was delayed because someone jumped in front of it, and was shamed for it.

[@Beanhill_94]

Emotions are the most natural thing in the world. No one should be shamed for feeling what they are feeling. I’m sorry you had to go through that.

[@guamae]

As a "millennial male" I can confirm that we are emotionally starving, and have no idea what to do about it....

[@emanym]

Crush our enemies and see them driven before us. The revolution is nigh. Down with the billionaires!

[@KilledMind1985]

wtf emanym....... blm is not the answer

[@emanym]

@@KilledMind1985 Workers of The World, unite!

[@kamc2852]

Actually reading is a great way to both cope and get better. Like you say especially fiction, I like scifi like the Martian etc. It really helps and the best part is public libraries are free - I don't know about meditation but could help books about EI like Brene Brown's or Happiness Trap are great too if a little hitting the nail on the head lol. Basically if you want to be able to meeting your emotional needs you need to know what they are and that's where reading/emotional intelligence comes in - heck if you really want to get into it join a fiction book club. Which also happens to be a great place to meet people ;)

[@kamc2852]

I have not! Thanks for the recommendation!

[@jaredcody6869]

I may be new to your channel Chelsea and learning how in depth your videos can be and I admit I came to this video because I was wanting to hear about the Crypto Bro discussion but I stayed for everything before it and after it even though I am from a different country as there was a lot I could relate to and I may be in my early thirties and a guy but really appreciated the acknowledgement of young guys being mentioned. I don't want to waste any more of your time or anyone else reading this but it was a really great video with great discussions and such and I hope to see your channel only go from strength to strength and yourself as well of course.

[@jbartnik1918]

When Brianna was talking about needing some men in their 30s to be rolemodels online, I, a cis man in my 30s, felt what Chelsea said about these types of men not being online.

[@HollywoodHaack]

This conversation is just incredible-inspiring, even. We need so much more intelligent and nuanced discourse like this. This channel is doing the good work and I’m here for it.

[@whafrog]

Your point about the left fighting each other is so true, it's driving me nuts. Especially the younger ones, it's a constant purity test. I'd love to support them more, but man it's hard when people you like start cat-fighting. Why would I vote for these losers when they can't prove they can get anything done?

[@jeffengel2607]

It's worth noting that the fighting on the Left can also be ABOUT the fighting on the Left. When we're inclined to condemn it, it's important to figure out how to condemn - if we decide it is worth doing at all - in a way that lets us keep working toward common goals. Patience and compassion aren't simply big goals - they're vital pragmatic political tools.

[@Patrick-vj1qu]

I live in Pennsylvania and am going to vote blue in the midterms because John Fetterman is a progressive and his opponent is Dr oz. I feel if you look at the local candidates you will find the democrat running is far better then the radical republican opponent running against them.

[@matthewcreelman1347]

To provide an easy example, in 2019 there was a wave of thinkpieces about cancel culture in YA literature, as books like A Place for Wolves by Kosoko Jackson and Blood Heir by Amélie Wen Zhao were cancelled in a very literal sense due to backlash. Bemusedly, Jackson has been one of those attacking Wen Zhao for her cultural insensitivity, just weeks before the circular firing squad redirected itself his way.

[@ZTanMURReneRs]

@@Patrick-vj1qu Also, vote on every level anyways, even if the choice is not that great. Sometimes you can get progressives in, like Fetterman. Sometimes you can prevent someone like Oz being in that seat. Sometimes both. And voting for "the lesser evil" in a binary choice is good and important, even if it does not feel fulfilling. Even if you don't think someone is going to do a good job in their seat you can still prevent someone else from doing a worse one. And if you're someone who believes more in activism, that's a lot easier to do if you have less people (less) actively against you in government.

[@Patrick-vj1qu]

@@ZTanMURReneRs 💯

[@n8mo]

God I love anti-crypto content 🙏🙏

[@Aries73]

One inescapable fact is that politics is a numbers game. Being right means nothing if no one can get elected. As a native of Chicago, this has always been true. Idealism without a means of implementing said ideals is useless.

[@lisamcdonald2877]

Thank you! Fight within your party all you want but don't splinter it on election day. Unless you are like stupid Susan Saradon and think Trump's election was good. Try to look beyond the trees and see the forest.

[@danc6167]

Chelsea's comments at @45:15 are so good. I feel quite financially hopeless with four degrees in a dead academic job market. Especially after the demise of my marriage and losing my kids to a woman who abused/cheated on me, I've definitely had parts of my brain consider going down some really dark paths. Thankfully, I've got some amazing women in my life that kept me sane and helped me hold onto the beliefs my mom raised me with.

[@robertbunch7829]

Hang in there man nothing out there is easy and believe it or not we're all in n it together !!!!!

[@rhenevers5229]

Take care of yourself man. Don't be afraid to fall back on your support network of family and friends when you need them. It's okay to not be okay.

[@doomedwit1010]

The discussion of the change in American middle class and the idolizing of tech bros remind me of this old quote: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

[@rav3style]

I would change that to the fountainhead, atla is incredibly boring. Also, yes I fell for that for a while.

[@andratoma9834]

This hues is brilliant…thank you for bringing her here… especially when she talks a bout FIRGIVING mistakes, mistakes are notmal

[@jamkwasowski5207]

Brianna was such a great guest! I love how both she and Chelsea, as women child free by choice, support the mothers they employ ❤️ True female solidarity ✊

[@music4life813]

As someone right of center, I’m also terrified of young men falling into the 4chan, 8chan, Reddit chamber. I so agree that we need better social structures for boys to learn from good men. My husband helps at our youth group and just by playing four square, basketball, and table tennis helps build relationships and mentorships! (But I know church isn’t for anyone)

[@phalou]

Chelsea, you know your audience !!!! I clicked soo fast

[@LindsyyPsychedelia]

Please keep exposing the Alt Right! Love your channel so much

[@avagarcia9643]

Inflation or stagflation, nothing beats involving an expert in any trade or investment, selfishness and greed have prevented many and they ended up suffering huge losses, and the crypto market is no exception.

[@geraldbianchi9172]

Yes, very correct

[@hernandezcrespo5110]

I agree because most people I know have complained about losses due to inflation and recent bear market situations

[@avagarcia9643]

@Luciana Wilson I recommend Edmund John Brock , he has been my financial advisor since I started my retirement and I have other investments with him as well. he is licensed and have good strategies. Plus you can withdraw any time.

[@avagarcia9643]

He's on Tel'gram 👇

[@avagarcia9643]

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[@jellyrcw12]

Fascinating interview. Thank you for sharing

[@vulpixelful]

This is great content and I really want to get it out to my politically-jaded circle of friends and family, but the long form is a bit of a deterrent to watching. Are there any plans to re-release tfc interviews in somewhat self-contained chunks in addition to the full interview? I know that's more work so this isn't a "request", really. I prefer long-form content myself. Edit: Forgot to mention that I could still clip it! I was just wondering since that involves the TFD team having no control over the context of what's clipped.

[@whitneyschmitney]

I think TFD would do really well to make shorts cut from these longer interviews. Also, the podcast format is great for sharing and multitasking. Sometimes I listen to this on Apple Podcasts and sometimes I watch on KZbin

[@darbyking-maillot4105]

Agreed! I wish I could share some shorter clips of this stuff. More people need to hear it in digestible bits

[@rowanoke4944]

I’m not sure if there’s a video on this yet I’m about to go search for it, but I would love to see you guys breakdown how to unionize your workplace!

[@khazermashkes2316]

Yes please!

[@Hippidippimahm]

Don’t be afraid to call local unions in your industry and ask them for support! They’re a great resource

[@zabnorg]

check out Labor Notes, I've been to some of their workshops and it was very informative regarding union coalition building and support

[@MonicaLea]

The issue of the lack of emotional tool in young men is something that my partner (38, he/him) has been trying to help out with that by trying to start a program that teaches both these skills and more practical ones like home repair, carpentry and such but there has been zero support even among schools and educators who agree that it is a good program that is necessary. No one wants to fund it or participate in it.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

This and then they wonder why dudes are continuing to choose violence. We could stop so many shootings just by having programs like this. Capitalism has truly rotted our communities.

[@dianataylor991]

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[@jacobpetterson3873]

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[@dianataylor991]

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[@jacobpetterson3873]

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[@_infinitedomain]

Such a good episode!

[@johanna7254]

I can't tell you how many times I've almost left an angry or snarky comment on YT or Twitter in response to someone before realizing, OH. That's what they want. They want to argue with me. They won't be convinced by me to change their mind. In fact, they might not even understand or believe what they're saying. So I've started just ignoring them. Or, if it's particularly egregious misinformation, reporting them.

[@mrwizard5012]

What's even weirder is understanding that some of them don't even want that. You're arguing with a bored intern being paid $7.50/hr to do low effort trolling for some guy. Or when they're actually a chatbot programmed to shout talking points for that same guy. The world of manufactured political dissent is bizarre.

[@janellekonowal]

I so appreciate this discussion! Thank you both for bringing these issues to light

[@georgelionon9050]

I very much agree on the sentiment that arguing with the alt-right is not helping. Not only is it as you say for the algorithm just another interaction, it helps their agenda and even being right it doesn't help. There was this person I personally know, argued a lot, like a lot with them (okay him) online really thinking, okay, lets talk it out and show him the wrongs of the ways and his arguments. At the end, he ultimately "lost" the argument, just a little claimed, it was well because online communication didn't allow him to express his thoughts correctly and then went right back to the usual talking points. At the end it's a deeply narcissistic world view and arguing their points only strengthens that and as every narcissist they have an excuse if they "lost".

[@georgelionon9050]

Oh and another thought, I disagree with her view, the danger when crypto crashes the crypto-boys will turn to facism. In a sense it has already happened .. they are just not wearing white hoodies and so on, but the whole ideology is ultra right from the core... its just masked well.

[@rogodwynn]

Briannaaaaa - I’m also LGBT and have experienced homelessness. It’s an experience that some don’t survive and can take a lifetime to heal from. I’m so hopeful for your healing, and mine, and everyone who’s either experiencing or healing from housing insecurity. 🖤🌱

[@TheAzidahaka]

This is the first time i hear a mature politicall discourse coming from the us.

[@worldgonemad2023]

Your intro was spot on...and can be blamed directly on Republicans,. Starting w Reagan, gathering speed with Gingrich and the R donor class that wanted to privatize public goods, deregulate the corporate environment, and lower taxes on the top 1%. After 50 years of this policy approach, our middle class is screwedm

[@DrTssha]

And unfortunately, the Clinton administration -- while less destructive -- was still not great, especially with deregulation (Alan Greenspan was a huge Objectivist). These policies even caused a rift with Clinton's labor secretary Robert Reich, who resigned. Republicans have been terrible for awhile, but I think we need to reach out to Democrats who still don't understand the economic realities we're living with, and how the policies of the last four decades have brought us to this point. Many of them are still playing with an out-of-date political playbook and need to understand that things have changed, especially since 2015. Sadly, they seem to be at least a decade behind in their thinking if their latest moves are any indication...

[@no.reply_]

@@DrTssha The main problem is old politicans around since donkey years who are on autopilot and unwilling to change

[@DrTssha]

@@no.reply_ Well yeah, I mean, the average age of the Republican party is (ironically) way younger than that of the Democratic party. It's a big part of the Democrats' problem. Not the only issue, but it is a big one.

[@masamunez1779]

I'm in full belief that a reason why some people invest in crypto is not because they want to make fast money, but rather that they fear that the financial institutions in place, like the US dollar, will fall and that they can then liquidate their crypto into another currencies. I'm not saying that it is the main reason, but a contributing factor. Some of those crypto investors are afraid of a US financial collapse, though with as many countries in which the US pushed the dollar into, I doubt it will ever happen.

[@carpediem44]

But you end up having to cash out your crypto in DOLLARS.

[@masamunez1779]

@@carpediem44 Or any other currency in the world, like Euros, Yen, etc. The dollar is not the only currency that matters.

[@historynerd37]

This was a really informative, insightful interview. I love when you have someone on and really dig deep into the intersection between their field/interests and finance. Especially with disaffected young men, politics and finance are such a rich area of potential good or ill for them and society.

[@danadigangi]

SO INCREDIBLY WELL SAID AND DONE LADIES!!! THANK YOU

[@divisionisfakenews197]

Brianna has fallen to the blahaj! As a trans man, I definitely see a similar phenomenon amongst binary trans men. So many trans spaces are focused on transfemme people, it can be kind of hard to find meaningful connection amongst ourselves and there isn't any sort of community that we can find with other cishet men outside of some structure like church or a lodge. I wish that we could have better social connections. I have also found that cis men tend to use homophobia and transphobia to police each other and this prevents them from having deep emotional connections for fear of being seen as trans or gay.

[@unpaintedcanvas]

Yeah that was the one of the first things I noticed! :D And yeah I definitely see that too as a nonbinary trans woman. In online spaces, I usually see transfem and nonbinary people, whereas in other spaces, say offline, there tends to be more transfem and afab nonbinary people. And usually binary transmasc people will usually occupy this slightly uncomfortable tertiary zone in all of them.

[@Snowshowslow]

What is the blahaj?

[@divisionisfakenews197]

@@Snowshowslow It's the stuffed shark that Brianna has in the background (it's on top of the couch).

[@Snowshowslow]

@@divisionisfakenews197 Haha okay thanks! I would never have imagined that 😂

[@johnwalker1058]

@@divisionisfakenews197 I'm confused. Doesn't the KZbinr One Topic (At a Time) also have a stuffed shark named Blahah or Blahaj or something? Or am I imagining things? I'm just feeling a deja vu moment right now.

[@kreed3494]

Gamer gate guys were just mad women were encroaching on their boys club where they objectify us

[@asharfoley8944]

Brilliant guest!

[@MsObama2012]

What an awesome guest!

[@geneveiveharper]

Culture wars as a cover for passing economic policy is an amazing observation- mind totally blown.

[@scifino1]

I'm baffled, that American culture is such, that it is astonishing to Brianna, that women without children do better than men with children. Given my German culture, I would have expected that to be so normal as to not be surprising to people. I think this says a lot about the history of inequality in American culture. Also, raising a child even if done with equal participation of its parents demands a tremendous amount of resources. The state should compensate this for everybody, especially poorer people, to encourage people to have children.

[@GrannyReplica]

I really loved this talk.

[@imcoolerontumblr]

It’s been driving me crazy how people aren’t seeing the connections. I really appreciate your opinions & totally agree!!

[@bonnie6866]

Hi Chelsea can you do a piece on useful political things that don't take a lot of time? I know that sounds kind of terrible, but I just can't. I can allocate 3 to 100 minutes per week on non-consistent days. Someday I'll do more but today the best I can do is forward progressive memes and hope my social media network vote progressive.

[@Kay-kg6ny]

This was actually extremely motivational to watch. It's nice to see some actionable advice about concrete change strategies and things to DO, not just things to NOT say/do. Thank you!!

[@JosephDickson]

58:00 My spouse and I hold separate accounts specifically to stay out of each other's finances. That's not to say we don't discuss them. Rather we trust each other to manage half of our household expenses. Plus, Its only become easier with snap deposit when we need share a large expense like half the mortgage. 😉

[@鬼塚アレクセイ]

Wise af man.

[@russellstephen6998]

What an incredible interview. I love leftists coming together and having conversations while staying grounded in politics. It reminds me of Contrapoints saying how the end goal of a political movement isn’t validity or to feel good but to enact policy that aligns with one’s ideals. As a 23 year old guy, it’s good to be given steps to take politically as opposed to just wallowing in the fact that I’ll never be able to buy a house or even rent at this point. Thanks again ❤️

[@marieseaman7855]

shout-out to the shark plushie creeping in Brianna's background

[@Katalina-f6w]

I really appreciate your efforts! Could you help me with something unrelated: I have USDT in my SafePal wallet along with the seed phrase. (air carpet target dish off jeans toilet sweet piano spoil fruit essay). What's the best way to send them to Binance?

[@rathelmmc3194]

America never had those things you listed in the beginning. There was a 10 to 20 year period post world war 2 that was way better than average for the average American, but through the entirety of US history the middle class has always been feeling that they’re falling behind. Hell there’s a documentary from like 1980 here on KZbin with Milton Friedman complaining about the exact same things you mentioned.

[@saturationstation1446]

if the government wasnt holding veterans hands and giving them everything for cheap to free back then, all of those people would be homeless within a month or two. especially if they were put into todays world instead of hyper segregated america of that time. the only reason DV is widely acceptable in american culture is because those soldiers had PTSD and constantly were violent with their families. and thats who became the middle class from that point on.

[@Jack-fw4mw]

It depends on what specifically you are looking at. Housing was substantially more affordable for many people in the late 1800s early 1900s, as it was relatively common for railroads to fan out from cities (opening up lots of land at once, which made it relatively cheap), and then people could build their own homes. The idea that houses can even cost 3x the median annual wage is ludicrous when looking at US history from 1890-1920

[@rathelmmc3194]

@@Jack-fw4mw That's true, but everything else more or less sucked compared to today. I can't imagine a single person complaining about the world today would be willing to go back to 1880 in order to have cheap housing.

[@Double0pi]

Oh gosh, how exciting! I've been following Brianna for years now...she's awesome!

[@rondotexe]

Thanks for sharing!

[@TomTheTruckdriver]

Great great channel, always happy to see new videos. Thanks!

[@alobamify]

I love this video, best video in weeks or months!

[@mccracp1]

I haven’t watched the full video yet but I’m sure it’s great as always. I just wanted to make y’all aware of the union busting that hello fresh does and since you guys talk about the need for unions so much you might not want to be supporting them.

[@04beni04]

Aw, for real? I mean, I'm not saying it isn't possible (haven't been that naive in a long, long time) but I hadn't heard anything concrete on that. Where did you hear it? Or do you speak from experience?

[@carpediem44]

This pre-packaged meal industry is completely sus to me. Nothing is cheaper than food from scratch. And saying you don't have time to cook feels as odd as saying you don't have time to bathe, groom, or wash clothes. It's not optional. It's part of life.

[@andratoma9834]

I love Fave Ramsey because he ideals the truth … and gives the truth AS IS… not sugar coated

[@malikshabazz2065]

great stuff!

[@jmlkinc]

Watching this after another massive drop in bitcoin.

[@itsirkeel]

"Crypto is a free for all for fraud" is one of the most succinct summaries of that environment that I've ever heard. Let's change the whole system so it's not rigged against individuals, rather than encouraging and supporting more and more diverse rigged markets!!

[@andrealahr7115]

Enjoying your channel. I watched several recent videos and a few videos from the beginning of your channel. I'd love a video about who you are, what's happened in the last 6 years, where you're headed. To get to know you a little more. Thanks!

[@princessjello]

Thank you!!! Its so obvious that people gotta stay on the payload instead of infighting

[@Mrdest211]

I think the part about stories and expectations is interesting, but especially because most of our stories, and therefore our expectations, are pegged to an unrealistic standard. It's clear that Millenials and Gen Z have fewer economic opportunities than Boomers did, but here's the thing, so did the Boomer's parents and their parents' parents. The Boomers were in an absurd moment in time economically, the bleakness of the future is made even starker if you pick an unrealistic goal. My further point to this is that the Boomers' prosperity was based on exploitation of the third world and of the environment. You cannot have the incredible wealth creation of the period from the 70s to the 90s without cheap Asian labor being fed into the machine. It ravaged an entire continent. Even if that moral obstacle was put aside, the conditions are gone. Mexico seems to be the next reservoir of cheap labor, but then what? We'll never return to the one income homeowner dream, which was itself only realized by a very specific kind of person, and North American parties are just making promises they can't keep by saying that they'll bring back the middle class. Our corporate system has to be dismantled, but we'll never get Boomer prosperity out of it, but we might get something like a future.

[@ruthsimpson7839]

So true! I think people will be in a much better place if they can reframe that "American Dream" narrative once and for all. It was a different generation. It's over. It is disheartening for sure, but getting stuck in a cycle of being upset and trying to reclaim that time exactly as it was is a futile effort. Looking forward means letting go of what we thought we deserved based on what our parents and grandparents had or led us to believe we were supposed to have. It's a mental and emotional rug pull for sure... but we have to accept the truth and move on.

[@feliciaw.9248]

Wow...what a discussion! My favorite part was the series of rapid fire questions!

[@hazelsparks4503]

New vid! Yay!

[@girlfan]

I saw Brianna in Alex Winter's new documentary! Very cool to see her speak

[@mabkoch]

Thank you. This was a great conversation!

[@mutinda_K]

14:20-16:12 The reason for the online (as well as the general!) queer community clashing is because the queer spectrum is truly amorphous. As time goes by it continues to grow in ways that the community itself is unable to sustain. In a community where some members aren't even sure what they are (lesbian, sexually fluid, etc.) like Demi Lovato, AND can change their orientation at any time, how can you have unity and cohesion? And since the queer community doesn't want to appear discriminatory and also needs to find allies due to it's small size, it ends up accepting all kinds some of whom have identities that are so personalized and bizarre that understanding them is hard. How can a group like that not eventually fight? The right seems more united because at least they have some core beliefs; for some it's the bible, others believe in AMERICA, the 2nd amendment...SOMETHING! They have more visible lines defining what they are about and who they're willing to ally with. What are the queer community's core beliefs?

[@rav3style]

Good to know I’m not the only one that thinks this way.

[@stobie9063]

My biggest issue with this is according to your definition of a community there was never and never will be a singular "queer community" (which I totally agree with actually, but I'm not 100% sure we're reaching the same conclusions here). The entire concept of a singular queer community that is frequently talked about has never made complete sense in the real world tbf, it's always been a vague term that only makes sense within the particular contexts it is written. There are queer communities but there is no one overlapping Queer Community where we all share the exact same values, never totally has and never totally will, regardless of identity politics or whatever else.

[@criticalhit009]

Such a great conversation!

[@cocacola7845]

Great conversation. Really enjoyed this one

[@zephaniahgreenwell8151]

Status quo. The people who are in power now have been there for decades and don't want anything to change because it has worked for them. Forget everyone else.

[@albaheadtheovertross]

Pretty sure HelloFresh has done their share of union-busting

[@luisoncpp]

hmmm, the tumbnail cathed my eye (the rise and fall of cryptobros), but after hearing that everything was going be framed from the _progressive_ perspective, very focused on trying to explain undesired men behaviours without asking men directly, I became demotivated to watch it. I know politics are an important factor in everything related to economics, however that frame is a very biased one, very specific of wealthy leftists from USA. Economics and politics are global, multicultural and account for many different socioeconomic conditions. Is not just a local warfare of _progressives_ vs alt-right.

[@kayla3751]

Chelsea’s guests have been ON FIRE lately! I freaking love Brianna’s podcast “Rocket” so this is just a *chef’s kiss* duo

[@masonm600]

"under-socialized" that's an interesting description, and foil to girls getting over-socialized, both facilitated by social media.

[@nikkievans5285]

Second what she said about looking at career pathways in public and nonprofit executive leadership. I'm an executive director of a nonprofit, and before that was a senior workforce development leader in both the private sector and higher education. I made an active choice early in my career to do public administration/ nonprofit management and to actively track to senior level roles, b/c I saw so the importance of having people like me in the driver seat not just advocating and writing policies--but actually implementing policy, designing programs, and building the infrastructure necessary to sustain and actualize the goals of policy meaningfully. BIPOC and women tend to want to stay grassroots or keep very advocacy/policy focused (two areas that do tend to be very underpaid). Still, there are so many other opportunities in the nonprofit and public space to make a difference and move the systems to align to better, more equitable realities and outcomes for society--- and not be broke.

[@lv9265]

Hey, do you think I could work in a non-profit or the public sector with a psychology degree?

[@makeartalways]

This was so interesting

[@richstoehr3247]

What a fantastic conversation - from social media to equality in tech spaces, exactly the kinds of things we need to be talking about.

[@hydroac9387]

Thank you for the respectful conversation. My only comment is to differentiate between the haters with objectionable motives and those that are just concerned that their franchise is being changed in a way they don't like. Saying 'I don't like this' does not mean you're Alt-Right. If you lump-and-label all you'll do is further alienate those that may be willing to have a conversation or at least express your point of view.

[@Meadowmeadowmoo]

A big reason why most people have Dave Ramsey as their personal finance influence is because his content is played in schools. I would love to see you and crash course team up and make a financial literacy course.

[@sor3999]

55:34 This is a problem with liberal voters in general. They want a revolution instead of evolution. Conservatives have slowly edged their candidates rightwards by voting for the most rightwards candidate even if they aren't ideal.

[@rav3style]

The left expects flawless people (which is unrealistic) and crucifies it’s own. This makes it impossible to achieve change as as a group we continually have to find new candidates and restart the trust process again. “Conservatives are always looking for converts, whereas liberals are always looking for heretics". Quoted in Two Steps Ahead of the Thought Police by John Leo (1998) p. 61

[@shock2ursystem357]

I'm so excited to watch this! Ya'll are two of my favorite people! It's like a Financial Diet and Rocket crossover episode!!

[@aleksandrawilkos1278]

it is brilliant. This conversation was deep, insightful, intelectually stimulating

[@fortheloveofLDS]

Phenomenal conversation! Chelsea: I'd love to hear about how you educate yourself on topics. What do you read/watch/listen to, and how do you schedule your day to make time for those things? I admire how you operate as a well-informed interviewer in all of these episodes. Something we should all aspire to!

[@HVolnWhatnow]

Was lucky enough to see Wu speak on the campaign trail alongside Ayanna Pressley, and have been following ever since. The Gamer Gate attacks were a gut punch and that she's only gotten more resolved through that experience. That the Rebel PAC is run with a practical set of goals in mind makes donating actually feel effective for once

[@ThatCho]

Gotta admit, despite being a generally libertarian voter who disagrees with a lot of the political commentary here, this entire channel continues to be one of my favorite financial channels ever. These interviews are always chock full of value, interesting insight and has the ability to challenge my beliefs in good ways. Thank you to the TFD team!! 💜

[@itsirkeel]

I'm only halfway through but wanted to share how grateful I am to hear about true progressive concepts and how we can get those messages out into the zeitgeist! I mean, I'm progressive in a super progressive city (Portland, OR) and I've written to my mayor to suggest that we try city-wide healthcare and I'd volunteer to help with implementation (I'm a medical biller and work in our catastrophically broken system every day) and I'm just so happy to hear that there's a progressive PAC at all! I'm working toward a post-currency society, but in the interim, I'm grateful to know there are places where I can contribute and it have meaning.