An AIRPLANE CHECKOUT almost goes BAD when I make a common flying mistake - Avoid this in your flying

[@lucky13ftp]

appreciate you actually showing mistakes. I've done the exact same while training and it was definitely an eye opener.

[@kewng3624]

I certainly learn more from mistakes than success videos.

[@davidsine4390]

When your performing a simulated engine failure, advance the throttle occasionally during descent just to make sure it isn't real.

[@flyingcaba5874]

Don´t you worry, I´ve got a few thousand landings sans engine, and still have to practice engine out landings in airplanes regularly in order to consistently nail them. Especially switching from Arrows to Cirruses to Cessnas to Katanas. The point is: you don´t have to nail them in real life. Just being in control all the way to touchdown in a reasonably flat place will usually let you live, even if the plane dies.

[@VictoryAviation]

Hey man, good news. This is my first episode watching as a certified pilot! My check ride was in a 172N as well 😎

[@benwaldeck741]

Congratulations MattHeaven!

[@VictoryAviation]

@@benwaldeck741 thank you!!!

[@blancolirio]

Welcome to flying in the foothills! Not a lot of great options for forced landings. Years ago an instructor and his student walked home after the aircraft 'refused to climb' out of that same general location following a forced landing exercise. (C-152- warm day). It's always amazing how flat things look from above, and how much the terrain 'changes' when you get down low. Note- I did nearly the exact same thing on a C-172 rental checkout years ago...but my 1st attempt came up short! "You wouldn't have made it" is a chilling statement.... Juan - KGOO

[@TheFinerPoints]

Well it’s good I’m not the only one! 😳

[@JavaSQL]

It's truly humbling and inspiring to let pilots of all ranks, especially student and private pilots remember that there is no "perfect pilot or pilotage" in aviation. Anyone can find something with any model that one is not proficient at. For that, thank you for sharing not just your strengths and weaknesses, but for also encouraging redundancy and practice while doing so. I'm a big fan of your humility first and your skills second. Like life, aviation will humble everyone sooner or later.

[@sirkreitz4484]

I’m a new student pilot had my first flight just last week 😎, trying to better prepare myself… I love your content videos - super helpful! Makes me feel more normal/confident seeing flights and a talk through like this! Thank you!

[@TheStoryBoy13]

samee :)

[@thomasdavis5514]

I'm with you. North up works for me.

[@mikedunlop8714]

Been there... done that! Love your videos. I fly power and being an ex-glider pilot instructor with dozens of off-field landings I'm expected to get it right on every check ride but it doesn't always happen, every off-field landing is different. The basic problem is around the initial field selection, a snap decision isn't always the best option, look at the field on the port side at 7 min 45 seconds, it's slightly up hill, a clear approach, quite long, 90 degrees to the low sun, next to a road and close to habitation if all goes wrong. I make it a habit of picking fields every few minutes (old gliding habits die hard!) when on a cross-country flight. My initial training was in South Africa and now fly in the U.K., both countries teach that while doing a PFL the engine is warmed up for a short while to avoid carb ice etc. I didn't notice that on your video or was it edited out?

[@libertine5606]

Don't forget about slips. When you can't go around keep flying and never give up! Embry-Riddle's study found that our skill deteriorate much faster than we think. We think about avoiding everything however if you are playing for keeps don't be afraid of taking the wings off. The goal is to survive to fly another day. When you're committed make it the best you can with what is in front of you. I did my insurance check out for my Mooney, having only flown Cessna's, out of Placerville. After awhile flying into all those airports that are on top of hills, especially Auburn where it felt like you were at tree level on final, I said to the instructor isn't there a "normal" runway anywhere around here! He took me to Lincoln to have me "settle down" a little. Everything about the Mooney was so different compounded by trying to land it on "carrier decks" airports really freaked me out in those first few hours!

[@flashcar60]

Forward slips would have been useful in steepening the glidepath in those power-off approaches. They seem to have gone out of favor, buy I use them frequently. Some people think the 172 doesn't slip well, but it does, at any flap setting.

[@davidrivera7069]

I am a newish private pilot (110hrs all in C-172) IFR student. I wanted to check out in a C162 to build my PIC Xc 40 hours requirement cheaper. I did 3 different flights wit a CFI and still was not able to land it safely. It was a humbly moment to recognize that being a pilot already I was not able to land that smaller plane safely. I thought the transition was going to be faster, but reality show me different. This also shows the fact that I am current, but not proficient. I am giving a break to that C-162, and focus on my IFR training. I noticed that I am bringing that lost of confidence into the C-172 when landing. I will be doing some laps in the patter like back when I was a student pilot to get that confidence back. Your video is a perfect example that we are all a work in progress. Thanks for your transparency in your videos. At some point I would like fly with you to gain confidence and perhaps unlearn bad flying habits. Where is your home airport?

[@JBHRN]

Jason... you are awesome and I love your channe. One thing though, change you stowage of your pens. A rapid vertical load is going to put those into your neck. Just a thought... I investigated accidents, worked as a paramedic /er nurse, was a USCG helo pilot and I understand trauma... the pens on your harness are a risk. Fly your best and as I like to say, safety does not happen by accident, it is an overt and deliberate action.

[@simonwiltshire7089]

Great to see a pro do the things we all do. Really appreciate you posting this, thank you.

[@jscomputerservicesanpcpart5772]

Mate it’s great that you showed this one. Every machine is different and operates in its own way. You can put 3 planes, cars, boats, bikes all exactly the same models and they will all have their own subtle quirks. Fly safe brother.

[@flygirl6048]

Finally, someone who agrees that North Up is superior

[@mdb777exec]

Great video. Every flight is a learning experience. With my 29,000 hours I can speak from experience. I really enjoy your channel. I’m always learning.

[@vindoll6237]

It’s amazingly humbling learning or re-learning an aircraft!

[@mamoruisamu1]

Appreciate you sharing the bad moments as well as the good. Good to know that everyone has them.

[@nabeelsatti9721]

Sir I am a cadet Pilot from Pakistan and really love your videos and learn a lot from them. Stay blessed Sir ❤️

[@michaelcheney1625]

Give me 3 (three) good reasons why we should use the “North up” display. Give me those reasons, and I MIGHT stop talking trash about it 😂!!! Other than that, thank you for bringing us along to learn with you!!

[@LipSync2011]

Track up on the GPS, North Up on Foreflight. That's the correct way ;)

[@danasampson818]

I have a bunch of time in 80F. Mach 5 is awesome. And Andrew is a cool dude!

[@gerhardcombrinck7026]

Loved this 'real life' check ride video-there's a different feel to something not simulated.

[@e2thenegpii]

Your point of this video was driven home to me recently when the first time my instructor demonstrated an emergency landing at an airfield he put flaps down a bit to early and would have ended up touching down about 10 yards before the end of the runway.

[@rafaeldoria]

It's nice that you show us that mistake of yours... Although was not that bad, in my opinion... That hill is hard to see from above, and surrounded by trees I don't know (images don't show) if there was a better spot to go... sometimes a bad spot to land is better than no place at all and going down in the trees. Still a great lesson to learn. After PPL and CPL we rarely practice emergencies in general aviation. We should do that more often.

[@terryhayes1072]

It helps instructors understand how students feel when you fly airplanes that you don't teach in every day. Excellent video and shows no matter what our experience is, we can misjudge our emergency landings. Even more, it shows you learn better when you don't try to make an excuse for the mistake.... you figure out what to do differently next time. Thanks for sharing!

[@AgonxOC]

I appreciate your videos! Thank you for sharing the fact that we are all humans and we all make mistakes from time to time!

[@marksainsbury2422]

I got my PPL many years ago. Considering trying for it again. Loving watching your vids and this is the most powerful and important by far. No one is perfect (people watching these should not feel bad or intimidated if they're getting things wrong), always strive for better (proficiency fades and it's not just beginners, but hugely experienced pro's that are assessed, measured and who need to keep striving) and mistakes happen. You practice so that hopefully mistakes happen in controlled circumstances like this (you have power still) and they don't happen if a real emergency comes up. Showing how you are "human" is probably the most important lesson for anyone new or experienced. Well ... it resonates with me, a bit of a perfectionist who's very hard when I make mistakes and I avoid showing others flaws, which means I probably don't learn as much as I could sometimes.

[@Strikepig335]

Love the folks at Mach 5. Great group. Got my ticket there and even a few hours in 08F and also a checkout with Andrew. And as for all the trees and hills around; I opted for the streets first, if possible, for the examples you highlighted here.

[@thomasgreen1688]

No slip at the end? Love the channel and the stellar videos.

[@murrayreed5282]

Mad respect for you showing we are always learning

[@3dogman311]

Always love your discipline to checklists & situational awareness. Nice work.

[@ryandorn7831]

And "The Good Human Award" goes to......... Jason! Love your honesty man - super refreshing, a ton of useful info as always.

[@chuckcampbell3927]

When in the test mode it seems like we just can't come up with that "natural at ease confidence"!!! The myriad of variables that the aviator must anticipate on every flight is Endless. Hopefully our training and our experience will rise to the occasion. When the altitude is spent and the clock has run out, it's time to Land!! No "do-overs"!! 🛬!!! Keeps me humble! Good job keep the videos coming.

[@ahmadsamadzai8255]

I learned my pre takeoff briefing from you after watching your videos. It definitely impressed the DPE during the checkride. Thanks.

[@mjw4450]

I love your honesty and humbleness. Be sharing your mistakes, you help raise awareness for other pilots to keep those skills up, especially when transitioning to another aircraft. Excellent video!

[@martinhsl68hw]

Good stuff - I've been practising lots of forced landings on ms flight sim in VR just to work on approaches and have found it helpful - hopefully the practise will transfer to real life!

[@saleasylum]

After watching many of your videos I'd say tou were a little nervous because you are a stellar pilot.

[@goatflieg]

This reminds me of two similar training flights I had with opposite results. My 2018 BFR included some tailwheel recurrency in a Citabria. When we simulated engine failure and I looked for a landing spot, I realized the instructor had placed us right over a grass strip. I was able to take the simulation all the way to a perfect touchdown; it was such a thrilling and validating experience. A month later I got my first training in the CH2A Chipmunk with Dave Carrick, following the usual checkout procedure. When it came to the simulated engine failure, I couldn't do anything right. Dave gave me two chances and had to save me from both of them. The debrief was humbling, to say the least, but I definitely learned from the experience.

[@csmihaly]

That one comment hit me, as I experienced myself, “ don’t assume your skills carry over from one aircraft to the other “ I did my training mostly in pipers, got better and better, then did lots of taildragger, then now, in a Diamond, day and night,,, still not satisfied..., great video.

[@aviatortrucker6198]

Finding an emergency field is one of the hardest things no matter what kind airplane you were in. What something looks like a couple thousand feet above you is not going to be what it is when you get a couple of hundred feet above it. Unfortunately without an engine and you have committed to that spot you are pretty much sunk. Are usually try to pick a road, not necessarily a paved road and I tried to land like the crop dusters do. Yes you have to watch for powerlines and shine post but usually on these country road have phone poles only on one side and usually the wingspan of 172 does not exceed too far over the edges of the road if you hold centerline.

[@irishus99]

Did my first solo in 80F. The people at Mach 5 are really nice.

[@SoloRenegade]

I spent most of my early time flying High DA in Robinsons and C172/C182/C150 at the edge of their performance at times. Moved back to the Midwest and struggled for a Long time with the extra glide performance and horsepower out there. Took me way too long to adapt to how slowly the aircraft sink, how well they glide, and all the "excess" horsepower I suddenly had. That said, one technique I never see from airplane pilots, that is taught regularly to helicopter pilots, is S-turns. Another trick to lose excess altitude to hit your spot. (flaps, fly slower, slips, S-turns, prop pitch, power, brakes/spoilers... all as appropriate)

[@rinzler9775]

In terms of engine failures, deciding wheels up or wheels down is also a challenge - I'm not concerned as to passing tests, I concerned as to what would best in a real scenario.

[@Jack-ne8vm]

Even with those faults, I appreciate the review. You brought up items I'd of missed. Thx.

[@proplife5714]

Jason, not to nit pick, but you said you would have secured the engine and shut off the master. You would need that on for flaps correct? I have a '69 150, and in my mental checklist for emergencies,I always have to tell myself, "leave the master on till I get the flaps out." Thank you for all your awesome content. I always learn something from TFP!

[@JohnRomero_motomoto]

Second time, I was thinking, it's time to start the slip ;) but you did super, as always!

[@knackeredish]

I’ve not heard the suggestion to passengers to slide the seat back before. That’s a good thought, it might also stop them from reflexively grabbing the yoke.

[@nobibuntin1367]

What an awesome video. I love all of your videos and appreciate everything you and your team do for the aviation community! Aloha

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks Nobi 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙌🏻

[@johnopalko5223]

I'm also a track-up kind of guy. That's how I learned to do it with paper charts. That, and checklists, disconcerted a few passengers. I guess they thought they were doomed when I had to keep reading the instructions and was holding the map upside down.

[@GZA036]

10:27 Okay, here comes the slip..... slip...? SLIP. SLIIIIPPP!!!!!! DO IT!!!

[@AV8R_1]

It’s funny that you guys mentioned the north up/track up debate. Odd as it may seem, I’ve always been a track up person on a GNS unit, but on a G3X or G1000, I am north up only.Probably mostly because I prefer to fly with the sectional chart as the base map on those units. Obviously they’re easier to read in a north of configuration, but it does not seem abnormal to me at all.

[@realulli]

I guess this just shows that you can learn more from mistakes than from success. :-) Great video!

[@coreyjordan2745]

Awesome!. A good pilot is always learning. Thank you!. bro.

[@oldschoolcfi3833]

Aviation is one of the places were we're encouraged to learn from the mistakes of others, regardless of who they were. It's very common for pilots to not make an emergency landing after an engine out - the accident record shows this is true, with otherwise survivable incidents turning into fatal stall/spins because pilots can't manage their glides. It's a skill we don't practice - power off approach to a real landing.

[@pilotnishantdesai9312]

Thanks for sharing this:) I wish more CFI‘s would be Frank and humble like you! I’m still trying to nail my forced approaches and upset recovery under the hood. That’s what is stopping my CFI signing me off for the flight test.

[@colinmoon4342]

Thank you so much for your honesty - to see that even experienced aviators like yourself struggle (and also Juan), it makes be feel slightly better and validates how difficult they can be hence the need to practise. I found that PFLs were the most difficult part of flight training and continue to be during club check outs. I still practise them on a flight sim most days. The best advice I got regarding the emergency drills after setting glide sped and selecting a field was to use an acronym for the aircraft I fly (PA28) in this case CHIMPSWEM77FISH. Sounds crazy but not that difficult to remember - Carb Heat, Ignition, Mixture, Primer, Switch tanks (and try to restart), Warm Engine (for a drill), Mayday, 7700 squawk. The last piece of the puzzle is that it’s not always the case of starting from downwind so really ficus on the 1000 feet spot that will lead you into the field. Practising on the Sim, I pull power at random heights and locations and make it about 80-90% of the time. It’s not the real world I know but having an auto response which you practise regularly gives me a bit more confidence. Thanks again

[@colinmoon4342]

I forgot the FISH -> Fuel off, Ignition and battery master off, Straps secure, Hatch cracked open

[@stevengarner4596]

That's the nice thing about check outs like this...they keep you honest. Loved this video Jason...thanks!

[@nevadahamaker7149]

"The 172N is the aircraft I got my private certificate in...." Same here!

[@cameronmacleod6213]

could you have slipped to get rid of some extra altitude with 30 degrees of flaps in a situation like you were in to try and drop last minute a little extra? but overall love the reality of your videos and keeping it humble. much appreciated as a student pilot.

[@stjepannikolic5418]

Great video! However, I could be wrong, but you didn't mention the Wind direction, except in runup bay? Landing "into the wind" would help a lot. My bad experiences with simulated engine failures were noticing power lines at the very last moment. Regardless, we can only practice and hope for the best. Thanks for sharing!

[@grumpybear741]

I've recently started flying the 172M and there's a very big difference going from plane to plane even within that particular model. It seems like some planes just seem to glide better than others regardless of the model. Of the two 172M's I've flown, there's about a 100fpm climb difference and about a 150fpm glide difference. I can account some of that to the BEW but that's still something that requires time in the plane to get a handle on.

[@hamrepair3815]

You tell it like it is, excellent vid.

[@paulricci7921]

Many hours in 80F The 180 hp makes her an awesome performer. Not a fan of flying out of Auburn though. Don't like the limited options if something happens on departure.

[@DWBurns]

As a cop, first responder, your choice put you near civilization, someone to call 911 with a good location is a very good decision. That will get help to you faster. With consideration given to being out west in the land of fire and floods, being closer to roads and water will give the fire department the best chance of knocking down any post impact fire. Now is your location best, maybe not to have a good outcome for you or the aircraft. Is your chosen landing/crash location best to keep any fire as small as possible and best for the community, for me that is also something that should be taken into account.

[@FlightTales]

I experienced the same issue renewing my flight instructor rating this week in the DA20. I did my PPL/CPL in a DA20, but I teach in a 172M, and during the simulated forced landing I forgot just how much a DA20 likes to glide

[@kylejenkin6567]

Great to see the mistakes as well as all the success!

[@mikesax]

Wow! Coming from you. Makes me even more humble. Makes me want to practice more and be even more serious.

[@csmihaly]

I learnt a lot. As always. Thank you!

[@Parr4theCourse]

One thing I started added to an off airport landing was like you said, passenger seat back lift door handle, push door ajar and lock door handle so that the striker prevents the door from closing. My logic is that you could relatch the door if the handle is up during a hard landing or if the the door was closed but not latched the airframe could tweak jamming the door close making it hard to open. So I figured have the striker out would mitigate this risk. Sound logic or am I off base?

[@iesikhaty]

That is a great suggestion; I think I'll be adding that to my emergency briefing - makes sense you want to guarantee the door unlocked in all events. Thanks for sharing

[@Parr4theCourse]

@@iesikhaty Good deal, on my PPL checkride, I gave my DPE that as a safety briefing and he said I had never thought about that before and liked it . . .

[@ronniefnd]

Solid logic. My cfi had me wedge a hoodie in the door latch when we did spin recovery and on power stalls. His train of thought was the same as yours, if we get twisted up on the ground there is no guarantee that any of the doors will open.

[@germanstorms2785]

I can use some of your tips for glider flying and then later when ill do my PPL. Thank you for sharing those vid!

[@keithprentice2100]

Every day is a school day! .... loving your vids matey👍🏻

[@reyesben]

I wish I practiced more engine during my training. I feel like I drop like a rock. Even on normal landing I leave in too much power probably and when I chop the throttle over the runway I always end up with harder landing. With power in I can grease it reliably. Not power off

[@talkingbob]

Fellow "north up" pilot, checking in. :)

[@erinchillmusic8930]

Thanks for keeping it real, Jason.

[@rinzler9775]

Engine failure is a bit like roulette as to the landings options you will have.

[@scottmacdougall2843]

All and all you are a great source to us as aviators!!! Would love to fly with you someday!!

[@FastUgly]

Man I learn something everytime I watch you vids Thanks for putting out there I haven't done my ppl...yet but the wealth of knowledge available from so many different sources really allows those who take the time to take in as much as possible to be that much more prepared when the day comes that, at least speaking for myself will bring down any sort of stress that much more and allow you to take in all you can if I wasn't a broke ass truck driver I'd gladly support your patreon but we each work with the hand we're delt, so thanks very much for the information you do share with us! Its absolutely incredible, your making the world of aviation that much better a place for everyone, Nothing but the Best to you Jason and your family and to the rest of you out these may 2021 bring you all nothing but safe flights and endless fun...and maybe a few bucks wouldn't hurt either! Lol With Respect, Jon Spencer Alberta, Canada

[@scottwillson5562]

super professional. i always forget the primer haha.

[@1shARyn3]

I have dual screens --- one is track up, the other is north up. tomato-tomatoe. You have loose camlocks on the upper cowl

[@ScottWoodland]

My engine out landing on my CFI checkride may have happened just a little past that point :) but power did come off just at the 45 to downwind turn.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

North up all the way!

[@richardbonander1507]

Thank you

[@SGTSnakeUSMC]

Slips are your friend.

[@theflyingfool]

My CFI says one should do a PFL every flight. I agree.

[@TheFinerPoints]

sounds like a great idea

[@msnpassjan2004]

Short landings? You just need to practice with Jerry Wagner. It would be an interesting colab.

[@Oferb553]

You learn something in every flight...

[@technomentis]

Worth watching more than once.

[@BEvans-sb3lp]

Loved this video. Emergency procedure was great... minus the landing spot

[@TheFinerPoints]

Haha thx. Yeah - that one SMALL detail 🤦‍♂️

[@creekboy2893]

Good info. I probably take my 40 degree flaps for granted! When I fly alone I try to add at least 1 proficiency practice every other flight. I may do soft or short field landings and take offs or engine out landing. I should probably do it more!

[@sixdegrees6434]

Jason, why wouldn’t you use a forward slip to help lose some altitude?

[@evanogra2647]

In older C172's there is a cautionary note in the POH that says "Slips should be avoided with flap settings greater than 30 deg. due to a downward pitch encountered under certain combinations of airspeed, side-slip angle, and center of gravity loadings". Important to note that this does not apply to any other aircraft other than certain C172 types. It's possible Jason (or his instructor) earned his ticket in one of these older models and, having already lowered full* flaps, was not comfortable slipping by the time he recognized the excessive altitude. If you would like to read on there is much more detail in "Cessna - Wings for The World" by Bill Thompson, former Manager of Flight Test & Aerodynamics at Cessna.

[@mrcooper2892]

@@evanogra2647 Although possible, it does not seem probable that Jason was " uncomfortable " slipping the aircraft. Jason points out ( 9:20 ) the 172 flown is limited to 30 degrees of flaps. Negating the " caution " found in the POH. Having this knowledge and his experience level. Especially with all types of C172's. It is much more likely based on the sight picture and landing distance available shown ( 8:52 ). He fully understood the final approach distance was much shorter than he anticipated, as he states, and he decides to not slip. With that said, he does choose to not slip over the runway where it would have shortened the distance. A safe landing nonetheless. This choice again is less likely to be a scenario where he ( or the instructor ) is "uncomfortable" slipping the aircraft, as Jason has multiple videos on "slipping maneuvers". It is a choice he made, could be for multiple reasons. If you would like to read on the phycology of choice making, there is a great book " Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman. Writer and Renowned Phycologist, awarded the 2002 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

[@MichaelLloyd]

Track up is all there is. The other thing is an illusion.

[@TheFinerPoints]

haha, we can agree to disagree.

[@devinmclaughlin9703]

Thats my school and airplane I got my ppl in!!!!! It's my fav plane there

[@manojmohan7264]

Wow.. my respect for you just skyrocketed ! 🙏🏻

[@edwinkania5286]

I feel better now!! I thought it was just me (I am a student). Check ride coming up soon......................

[@campkohler9131]

A uh, fine point, but there is no ATIS at Auburn, just AWOS.

[@jaimeskiebel]

North up!

[@thebluebaron1563]

Best video of yours I've seen :)

[@WolfPilot]

Great video Jason! I have awhile before my first BFR unless I get a chance to do it early-- Maybe at the 2021 ACCA. You have some great ideas. I think I will adopt some if you don't mind.