Boeing 737 Crashes in China | Deadly Landing (With Real Audio)

[@increase9896]

Just this last September I was on a passenger flight that was landing in Houston. About halfway there the pilots informed us that they had reports of really bad thunderstorms in Houston but that we would proceed as normal and hope it cleared up by the time we arrived. When we arrived in Houston airspace the pilot informed us we would not be attempting to land immediately and would be in a holding pattern because the weather was supposed to improve fairly soon. The passengers were bummed and frustrated because we were going to be in the holding pattern for approximately 45 min to wait out the storm. About 30 minutes later the pilots announced that he had good news and we were about to start our approach finally. We got lower and lower and headed towards the runway but the weather was still pretty bad so it was not a simple process. Lots of quick drops and tilting could be felt inside the aircraft. Once we got close enough I thought for sure we were about to land and suddenly I could hear the engines go back to full thrust and we started to climb again. The pilot announced that he had to abort the landing but we would be setting back up immediately for another approach and not to worry. Anyway, we went around and finally touched down after another wobbly approach as the wind and rain tossed us around the whole way. I am grateful for the pilot knowing when to give up and try again and not try and force anything. It was by far the worst flight I have been on in my life but we had a great pilot. It all seems routine and insignificant to us sometimes, but I know that the flight I was on could have easily ended up with major issues if we didn't have an experienced and cautious pilot.

[@madampolo]

I'm sure that pilot was my son-in-law. :)

[@rupasen9169]

@@madampolo you must be glad

[@frogofbread]

how about the one where they go around like 6 times

[@sergiosaunier]

Fortunately your flight did not end up featuring in one of this channel's videos!

[@Avahm1]

Was this a United flight? I think I was on it.

[@chewey3rd]

I've landed in a thunderstorm on a passenger airline and it was one of the scariest events I have ever encountered in my life. RIP to these poor souls. Thank you for this amazing video.

[@shellyraymond4337]

About 30 years ago I was flying in a commercial flight from Philly to Minneapolis/St Paul. For a great deal of the flight we were in a massive thunderstorm with lightning lighting up the cabin and torrential rain. Lots of turbulence. Thankfully, we landed safely. A very scary flight! Still had to catch a connecting flight to get home. Thankfully the weather cleared during the layover. Finally flew into my home airport around midnight!

[@clarsach29]

@@shellyraymond4337 I remember flying from Minneapolis to Great Falls on a hot stormy June night some years ago, horrendous weather....airport kept opening and closing due to lightning and rain and the eventual take off was one of the scariest things I have ever been through, closed my eyes and gripped the armrests until we were past it....there's nothing like a summer storm in the Great Plains

[@tracycolvin7789]

I've been landed???

[@nancyhillard6456]

@@tracycolvin7789 who are you? The grammar police?? You never had a typo?!

[@maxsaviation9512]

Me being the one to want to land in a storm and enjoying it

[@airjohnMD80]

I am a retired Airline Pilot with a 50+ year background including extensive Line Flying, training in both simulator and aircraft, and formal accident investigation. Yes, I am Old School (as in WE FLEW THE DAMN THINGS, and knew our craft). I just couldn't help but comment on this accident. It should have never happened, and what was a minor problem was turned into a full blown emergency due to incompetence. First of all they were shooting an ILS approach to a relatively long runway, proper lighting, and the weather even though somewhat lower visibility, was not below minimums. This is an every day skill set that any airline pilot should be able to handle easily. They had an electronic glide slope to show them the proper vertical path electronically, they had a set of VASI visual glide path lights on the left side of the runway for additional guidance. The key issue here is when transitioning from instruments to visual they is a tendency to look out too soon, and the vertical path cues can go awry. This is exactly what caused the bounced landing. When you bounce a landing it becomes apparent whether it was just a "skip or a real bounce". If it's a skip you need to add a little power to slow the sink rate or if enough speed is left you just slow the descent rate a bit and re-land the aircraft. However, if it's a real bounce (that's the case here), then an immediate Go Around is needed or each subsequent bounce will only get larger and result in extensive damage to the aircraft. If you do damage the aircraft then go to a holding pattern and sort out the problems and run the checklist to determine what your options are and silence some of the warnings. When assessing this accident, I can lay the blame squarely in the following places: 1. The Captain was allowing the F/O to fly the aircraft and was consumed by monitoring him and trying to keep him out of trouble. 2. The F/O was inexperienced enough that he should have not been flying that approach. 3. When the decision to Go Around was made the Captain should have taken control of the aircraft and flown to a point and sort things out, not let the F/O continue to fly. 4. The warnings in the background are very distracting . The "Whoop Whoop Pull Up" was due squarely to the fact the gear was now showing an unsafe landing position due to damage, and should have been turned off in an appropriate checklist. 5. The final landing was way out of control and the sink rate and high on glide path was obvious well before impact. They were along for the ride only, no skill input at all. The cause of this accident is undoubtedly PILOT ERROR. Not only in the actual control manipulating, but the command and control solely needed on the part of the Captain. There is an old saying in aviation that goes something like this......."Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect." That about sums it up here. Captain John

[@koogar77]

Someone who really knows what they are talking about and I couldn’t agree more. Basic skills need to be the bread and butter to a commercial pilot but unfortunately in the modern era, due to the wonderful technology we can enjoy and is a huge aid to safety, the unfortunate upshot has been a deterioration in the required levels of skill and thought needed to operate commercial aircraft on a regular basis.

[@Imk946AO]

Thanks for this excellent professional analysis.

[@cnachopchopnewsagency]

Really appreciate your expertise comment, Captain. On a side note, how many pilots(captain/FO/etc) needed on board for a mid size business jet that do long haul?

[@airjohnMD80]

@@cnachopchopnewsagency Hello, thanks for your comments. Regarding your question, I give you the following: Assuming that your "mid size business jet" is certified for a two man crew, here is how the airline pros approach the situation. There is an exact FAA Title 14 regulation that covers this specifically as: 14 CFR § 121.483 - Flight time limitations: Two pilots and one additional flight crew member. (a) No certificate holder conducting flag operations may schedule a pilot to fly, in an airplane that has a crew of two pilots and at least one additional flight crew member, for a total of more than 12 hours during any 24 consecutive hours. (b) If a pilot has flown 20 or more hours during any 48 consecutive hours or 24 or more hours during any 72 consecutive hours, he must be given at least 18 hours of rest before being assigned to any duty with the air carrier. In any case, he must be given at least 24 consecutive hours of rest during any seven consecutive days. (c) No pilot may fly as a flight crew member more than - (1) 120 hours during any 30 consecutive days; (2) 300 hours during any 90 consecutive days; or (3) 1,000 hours during any 12-calendar-month period. This is straight from the regulatory agency overseeing operations of US operators. Basically, 2 pilots only 8 hours of flying in 24, one additional crew member you can go to 12 hours of flying. Captain John

[@graciegjj]

Retirement is socialism you should work until the death. I'm a greedy CEO can I absolutely love capitalism I just hate when they force me to raise the wages because out of spite I will raise prices even though I always will have more money than y'all.

[@samsonchien]

Some interesting facts about this flight. After the first landing, there are damages clearly visible by passengers. So some of them moved to the tail section trying to survive this upcoming accident. Most of the tail section passengers did survive the accident. Also, this accident led to the airport changing its name from Huangtian airport to BaoAn airport. Huangtian's local pronunciation is close to underworld in local mandarin

[@tracycolvin7789]

Pessengers? You mean passengers?

[@johnsteward8325]

@@tracycolvin7789 You clearly understood him so why be that guy?

[@nancyhillard6456]

@@tracycolvin7789 Who are you? The grammar police?? Ever heard of a typo??

[@frank8438-aka-cyans]

Yep and that’s way they change the name ( huang tian黄田~huangquan黃泉）

[@tarrasage4272]

Sadly the co-pilot who was rather alarmed regarding the sink rate the last few mins of the flight was one of the two crew members who didn't survive the crash.

[@MovieMakingMan]

I landed in a severe sandstorm in El Paso. Cross winds were ridiculously high. We did a crab landing with the plane rocking from side to side. I thought the plane was going to flip over. Except for the decision to land in the sandstorm with severe cross winds the pilot did an excellent job. That was the most intense landing I’ve experienced. In this landing I was surprised there were so many survivors.

[@beaudure01]

@@nobody7817 We had a 15-month-old child with us on a very bumpy approach to SW Florida Regional. The cabin went quiet. When we hit one big bump, our kid went “Wheeeee!” That broke the tension nicely.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Flying in TX can be terrifying. On a flight between DFW and San Antonio in 1981 the plane flew into a severe thunderstorm. Never experienced anything like it, never want to again.

[@gisela5152]

@@beaudure01 OMG like the meme lol!! I also needed that smile and laugh @no body

[@David-yy7lb]

I encountered several bounced landings in my career flying 747's in bad weather however on the first bounce I manually deployed the ground spoilers which killed the lift and forced the plane down on the runway that prevented a second bounce, I deployed the thrust reverse and made a safe landing👨🏿‍✈️👍🏿

[@ashleydurham7981]

Good job!

[@sawning3449]

Did you learn that from sims or training?

[@arnelholland397]

Excellent job

[@mykneegrows88]

You are no pilot, stop the 🧢

[@David-yy7lb]

@@mykneegrows88 you're right because I've been retired for 7 years now🙄

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

Very painful to watch and imagine yourself as a passenger. When I hear the panic in the Captains voice It sends chills down my spine. My condolences to all families who lost a loved on.

[@karenstasik2979]

Really appreciate the pilots who comment on the videos. Very instructive and helpful in these tragedies. Great video Flight Channel ✈️

[@kerprice]

This was terrifying to hear the crew--I've never heard a crew so scattered and panicked throughout the whole video. Did they find any evidence of pilot error?

[@snowman2834]

I actually find this reaction adequate, I always feel like American pilots have lack of reaction, and energy in tough situations. The calmer you are the slower you respond to surrounding actions

[@Kapone27]

@@snowman2834 No. You need to be as calm as possible in these situations to remain in control. You can't think clearly if you allow yourself to lose it.

[@rajnikantsharma]

@@Kapone27 Perhaps both of you are generalizing....

[@ideitbawxproductions1880]

@@Kapone27 well said. if your brain is in such a panic that you're constantly freaking out, how are you going to have any focus to find the best course of action?

[@P71ScrewHead]

The pilot error was deciding to go around.. Best thing to do is land that plane on the 1st try or it likely ends in death.. Pilot is at fault too imo for listening to that clearly panicking freaked out guy next to him..

[@motorsportsrts3411]

"速度大点没事儿” RIP to all the innocent people who lost their lives in this heartbreaking accident.

[@doge7830]

?????

[@wckoek]

@@doge7830 6:15 FO said speed too fast! Cap: a bit faster is alright. Bang

[@Exyvia]

@@wckoek Please use some common sense and context. We don't know how much exactly is slightly fast.

[@wckoek]

@@Exyvia exactly, the captain have no common sense when he said this in the video, that's why this happens. On second approach the first officer even insist it is too high but the captain proceed.

[@Lisdexanfetamine]

I’ve been on a domestic brazilian flight wich the pilots attempted 2 times to land on heavy rain. What was supposed to be a quick 1:10h flight lasted almost 3h. We had 2 Go-arounds at the same airport. I could see “rivers of water” spraying down the wings from my window on those go-arounds. Then the Crew stated that they were low on fuel, and changed our path to another State 40min distance…. We landed just fine!

[@johneyon5257]

Gregor - i doubt TheFlightChannel will be making a video on your flight

[@shanna3148]

@@johneyon5257 nobody was asking for this to be featured on the channel. It was just a personal and related experience. Being nice to other people costs $0.00

[@johneyon5257]

too subtle for you huh?

[@omarhamid3638]

My goodness, that was so harrowing to watch and hear. The panic was so clear to hear and feel, the crew were terrified but the poor passengers must have felt so so scared. RIP to all the souls lost. Thank you for sharing and producing these videos, hopefully pilots and flight crew watch and maybe learn about the mistakes made.

[@torsten811]

I landed on an Air Madagascar flight from Nairobi to Antananarivo the capital of Madagascar during a cyclone. Once you've done it, you'll never forget it.

[@shawnmccorkle5059]

Excellent video. Keep up the ultra high video work. Ever think of revisiting older videos and adding audio. The real audio really brings in the tension.

[@DavidHughes-op6zl]

I can't believe the panic that engulfed the pilots during the go round process. I’ve never before heard such unprofessionalism. Usually such folks are the epitotome of calm in all circumstances. It reminded me of the time I travelled with this airline from Taïwan to Iceland. The flight and landing were uneventful but it took the crew over three quarters of an hour to open the exit, the temperature very high and the aircon switched off. Had there been a need for an emergency evacuation the results could have been disasterous...

[@lesliesolomon4220]

The day the airplane was delivered to China, Groundhog's Day, was my brother's 25th birthday. The 25th anniversary of this tragedy falls on Mother's Day. That same brother has cancer now, should have surgery around this date. I pray he survives too.

[@Joeelkins.]

I've been to rock concerts that were less loud than this cockpit. 😳

[@Brendan-Black]

Right, for me it would be nerve-wracking to work and keep my composure in that kind of chaos.

[@darringraham2613]

What/ did you say something 🦻

[@danpatterson8009]

On my last trip to Chicago we landed in rain and heavy fog- but no problems. On the way out I stuck my head in the cockpit and thanked the pilots for an uneventful landing in unfriendly weather.

[@brians9508]

A cockpit in the US that is open for passengers to stick their head into? Was this a Cessna?

[@christine3043]

@@brians9508 ....The cockpit door is often open when passengers are exiting the plane. Sticking your head in seems like something they wouldn't allow, but who knows?

[@hksp]

they're using full cat iii autoland so u good

[@jaimhaas5170]

I'm surprised you weren't tagged and bagged.

[@scottfranco1962]

On the ground, still open. Nobody hijacks an airplane on the ground. I had a conversation with the pilots recently through an open cockpit door on boarding. They were unconcerned.

[@sethfroman7044]

The crew sounded terrified, unsure, and panicked. They didn’t seem like a cohesive team throughout this and was just pure chaos. Seems like human error was part of the problem too.

[@wokewokerman5280]

... captain Sum Tin Wong flying with first officer Wa Do Now....

[@lulikinta9303]

Stupid fucking tutttttttt

[@sweetzs100]

@@wokewokerman5280 I am so mad. I actually googled the first name trying to find information and then when I couldn’t I decided to search the co pilot and read the name to realize you were being funny. Can’t believe you fooled me. I guess I just didn’t expect that on such a serious and sad video

[@wokewokerman5280]

@@sweetzs100 OK, you're right, and that's pretty dark, but if you get a chance look up Flight Engineer Wee Too Lo on the Asiana Flight 214 in San Francisco incident.

[@sweetzs100]

@@wokewokerman5280 Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice… no, no way. I’m a fast learner so you’re not gonna fool me twice. Nice try though 😂😂

[@jayz0945]

My dads friend survived this crash, he was in the hospital for 3 months and whenever he went on any mode of transportation he had to have a sleeping pill first or he would be too scared to go anywhere, now he is doing a bit better and flying on planes again, he remembers what plane it was and what happened but has no clue when it happened he lost track of time around then. He’s comfortable talking about it now and is active and healthy. Nothing can compare to what he went through on this flight

[@AmpEazy]

Very surprised to know roughly half of the passengers survived such an ordeal.

[@hamannshaikh7398]

Beacuse of God's Grace

[@dallaslane6927]

@@hamannshaikh7398 And the other half?

[@jamesrau100]

@@hamannshaikh7398 Do you know what you're implying? That the passengers that died were not in "God's Grace"? 😒 Please think before you post.

[@OshinTorek]

@@hamannshaikh7398 oh of course it's because of God

[@KristinaMay2109]

@@hamannshaikh7398 😳🙄😏😒😟😕🙁🤐

[@MegaSunspark]

Wondering if they should have stayed on the ground after the first hard landing, even if it would have gone off the end of the runway. I would take my chances on the ground than go back into the air with a damaged airplane. It's lucky that anyone had survived.

[@EE-ie9gm]

This is why I hate traveling bcuz of having to fly

[@EE-ie9gm]

@Dod Man something go wrong in a plane and u screwed

[@naturalverities]

The only landing in a thunderstorm that I can remember experiencing was on a Beijing to Shanghai (Pudong) hop on Air China in 2000. I had been originally scheduled on a newly established United nonstop from SFO to PVG, but that was cancelled due to light passenger load, and we were bumped to a Beijing flight with the promise that we would be intercepted in Beijing before immigration, herded to a waiting plane, and sent on to Pudong easy peasy. Didn't work out that way. After milling about the pre-immigration area for some time waiting for United personnel to show, we lost patience and immigrated, then gathered in the United check-in area until we finally got noticed. Hours later we were herded to a dark, deserted (under reconstruction) area of the terminal and loaded onto a shopworn Air China DC-10 that had apparently been taken out of mothballs in a big hurry. After another long delay while the cabin crew dealt with a passenger who was having fainting spells---and finally was fireman-carried off the plane---we taxied, to the deafening howl of the wheel brakes resonating through the airframe with each turn, and took off. Fortunately the plane flew well enough and despite a spectacular lightning-illuminated roller coaster ride as we approached Shanghai we landed without incident. I've flown many a leg on China domestic airlines, but happily never had a nailbiting experience like this before or since.

[@maxsaviation9512]

Be happy you didn’t have to fly United one of the worlds worst airlines

[@naturalverities]

@@maxsaviation9512 So I've heard many times over. Yet most of my 30 or so Asia trips were on United and generally were quite acceptable. And one SFO United gate agent moved heaven and earth for me. Just lucky I guess.

[@jeffery7281]

Wait... Air China has nor DC-10 neither MD-11 in their fleet. There may be some Mandela effect here.🤔

[@naturalverities]

@@jeffery7281Might have been an MD-11... I think the safety card showed DC-10. Remember, this was back in 2000. I'm pretty sure it was Air China as I believe they were a Star Alliance partner. In any case it all seemed pretty marginal, borderline surreal. Cheers!

[@Eric-lo2ug]

Small issue: Air China never had dc10s. China airlines of Taiwan did have dc10s, but they wouldn't have flown that route. China Eastern did have md11s, which might be what you are thinking.

[@WayneM1961]

It was clear, from quite far out, the approach wasn't stable. IF IN DOUBT GO AROUND! never EVER try to force an aircraft to land. It doesn't matter whether its a Cessna 152 a boeing 747, or anything in between. If the conditions are really very poor then divert. Yes, that costs money and quite a lot too but, what price life and safety? In would be interesting to know what sort of ride aircraft landing before them had.

[@chongyilam5909]

You mean they should have gone around before the first landing?

[@scottfranco1962]

At about 6:00, the pilots and the aircraft systems indicate below glideslope. That would have been the time to go around, but instead they try to "fix" the condition, resulting in premature landing and damage. They successfully did a go-around after the bad landing, but turned and tried to land, apparently entirely visually, the ILS is never mentioned. And they handled that worse than the first landing. Being significantly below glideslope is a reason for go-around. They don't put obstacles above the glideslope, but they like to sneak things in below it. In any case, being off the glideslope high or low is concerning, because it indicates the approach is not stable. And in this case it certainly was not. PS. I did some further lookups on this flight. The information is scarce since it was a Chinese flight, meaning no USA crash investiagation. The autopilot was turned off for the first landing, and the pilots had been asking for lower due to weather. Thus the plane was hand-flown low enough to generate a glideslope alert. For the second approach, the plane was hand-flown and it was entirely a visual approach.

[@scottfranco1962]

Its probably worth noting here that this does not say the pilots were incompetent. Landing in high winds with low visibility is a challenge. I have been on glideslope with crosswinds sufficient that you are practically looking out the side window to see the airport. Add rain and gusts and you have a challenge. The best pilots can bring that aircraft in practically sideways, then kick the rudder and grease the landing at the last second. These were 3000+ hour pilots (I don't count "radio operator"). They deserve some respect.

[@opieutt9038]

I'm curious what the take away would be from this, as in 20/20 hindsight. Should they have stuck with the first attempt after so much damage, or was that the best decision to pull up?

[@westnblu]

@@opieutt9038 nah they should never had attempted a landing the 1st time. They were not experienced pilots. Their communication to resolve the situation @ hand was very inadequate. U can sense the frustration and panic .

[@scottfranco1962]

@@opieutt9038 Takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory - old pilot saying. The airplane still flew after the first landing attempt. They kept talking about "the yoke is disconnected", but were able to control the aircraft. There is not enough documentation here to say why they decided to do a visual approach back to the airport, as opposed to flying the ILS approach again. The second approach was clearly not stable, and the result was a controlled crash. 1st attempt? Should have been aborted much earlier. Multiple bounce landings are a sign of an out of control landing that needs to be aborted, yet many pilots continue them, and the result is bad - in any aircraft.

[@wolfwilliams]

The first time I bought a ticket to fly from Taiwan to Hong Kong, on China Airlines, my buddy in Taiwan said, "Never buy a round-trip ticket with that carrier. Go one-way. If you survive that trip, then buy a return ticket." ... I've been a passenger in probably fifty commercial planes across SE Asia. Never a hiccup, but the culture there makes it difficult for airlines to admit they have problems and for junior pilots to speak up when a senior pilot makes a bad decision. I don't know enough about cockpit procedures and cockpit protocol, so I can't say whether or not the conversations in this video were properly conducted regarding safety concerns and commands, but I do wonder if captains sometimes make things worse by disregarding warnings from junior pilots.

[@sicooper4230]

Well that was a bloody mess start to finish.

[@graciegjj]

Every seat should be equipped with a pistol so they can end it all.

[@ratgreen]

Even before the sink rate audible alarm. Did they not keep an eye on the altitude and gather they were coming in too hot? And why did they not have a checklist for all controls before attempting second landing. They knew something was up with the yoke, but didn't think to verify what exactly.

[@anthony3295]

Yep. Better landings by those on amateur flight sims lol. (And they just went straight to the ground like wth?!)

[@gusmc01]

Ok, this one made me really mad. The captain maintained no sense of calm throughout the ordeal, only added stress to an already stressful situation. The first officer knew they were too high on the second landing approach but didn't have enough confidence (or maybe it's not acceptable in China) to overrule the captain.

[@livelyupmyself1]

First officers not overruling the captain has happened COUNTLESS TIMES in MANY different countries; including the U.S.

[@danielpearson6306]

In many countries you do not over ride your superior. That happed with Asia at SFO a few years back. It was found the Korean culture was that the communication was the issue. The 1st officer was not allowed to communicate in away to change the situation.

[@ndmz903]

What do you reckon the captain could have done better that YOU would have also done in this highly stressful situation?

[@cotton-Dave]

@@ndmz903 Quite CLEARLY he SHOULD have taken control!! At the very LEAST that would have SHUT HIM UP!!!

[@brians9508]

they were likely coming in too high on the second one because the control surfaces of the airplane were damaged - it was probably not related to confidence as much as physical damage to the plane

[@Powerranger-le4up]

I knew something bad would happen because I saw poor crew coordination and no altitude callouts.

[@scottlarson1548]

Also, it's a video on The Flight Channel.

[@ZeroSpawn]

@@scottlarson1548 Daaammmnnn, sprinkle some salt on that burn you gave the PowerRanger.

[@pilotlancegameryt7123]

R.I.P to all those passengers who are on that flight 😭

[@Manbunmen65]

You do realize the RIP is a overused and false sense of eternity? Does everyone just go to heaven. The reality is much worse. Jesus says broad is the way to destruction. Most people are actually in hell. Everyone of those people could be there right now if they were not a born again Christian. Without Jesus there isn't any RIP.

[@hampten23]

@@Manbunmen65 Chill dude

[@lukailic5439]

@@hampten23 hahahahahah

[@OhanaLulu]

@@Manbunmen65 Jesus wants us to die and go to hell?

[@jameslogan1370]

@@Manbunmen65 Who cares? We all are born and we all die in the end it's life. you will die I will die. We try to make the best in of our lives. Don't lose your shit over something that doesn't need it.

[@gaztastic]

I was waiting for someone to do a detailed video on this, then out comes this video. I first learned about this accident when I saw Michael's animation on the whole thing. Great video!

[@toocooldarr_17]

To this day Thunderstorm are still one of the main factors to plane crashes. But I'm glad they gotten better with avoiding them

[@edwardpincus]

I’ve watched these videos for months now. While this sad catastrophe happened years ago, I hope all pilots are better trained and then regularly tested for their emergency response skills. Their training must unquestionably be appropriate to meet the demanding, sometimes frightening requirements of each unique situation. If a pilot anywhere is evaluated as having just average skills, without doubt continuing as well as ongoing training is essential - human lives depend on pilots’ training. Indeed, there is proven truth to the expression that “Good enough isn’t.”

[@dennisyoung4631]

Or, from fiction: “good enough gets people killed who deserve better.”

[@simcastpodvids]

Your work is amazing.

[@cynthiadavid5282]

Use to love to fly after watching the videos now i dont fly like being grounded

[@angelbulldog4934]

The production value is wonderful.

[@maxsaviation9512]

@@cynthiadavid5282 don’t be scared usually lessons are learned after plane crashes so flying is safer. Any aircraft is safe except a cheap plane made by a company that cuts corners and puts profit over safety

[@b.t.356]

Watching the plane bounce and hearing the captain scream for his life made my blood run cold

[@willhuang2019]

Shenzhen Huangtian International Airport was renamed as "Shenzhen Baoan International Airport" after the crash, as "Huangtian" shares a homophonic with another word "Huangquan", which means "hell" in Chinese. The two words are particularly sounding similar in Cantonese (common language in the area of Shenzhen and Hong Kong)

[@xeldinn86]

Lame........

[@ahyaan2552]

Lol

[@sd906238]

I flew into Atlanta GA on an AmericanWest 757 during Hurricane Andrew as it was passing over Atlanta. Pretty rough approach until the plane was a few feet over the runway when the pilots decide to do a go around. Around we went and landed the acted like no big deal. Another time I was on an Air Force Reserve C-123K doing a takeoff. There is no insulation in the inside of the plane, just the skin of the airplane so it is pretty loud with the P&W 2800's plus the 2 jet engines. The 2 jet engines were added because it couldn't fly on 1 engine. Just before liftoff the pilots hit the breaks and reverses the props. Noisy and shaking plus the squeal of the old breaks. Back onto the taxi strip for another try. I asked one of the crew what was wrong and he said one of the doors opened during the takeoff. On the way back we stopped at Andrews AFB to pick up the crew and passenger of another C-123K that lost an engine while landing. So we are flying back when the pilot jumps in the space next to me and he seams really happy to be sitting next to me. I asked him about what happen to his plane. He says they lost an engine while on the landing approach. He was like no big deal just followed the procedure for an engine out landing. Later I spoke to another guy on the plane who said a girl nest to him yawned and the pilot jumped up and ran and sat next to me. He must of thought she was going to barf on him when she yawned.

[@WillEDC]

I remember back when I lived in Shanghai I was having dinner with a friend’s friend who was a pilot, he was saying you should become a pilot it’s easy 👀

[@przemysawotarzewski557]

Great video, as always! It's appalling to witness how the crew handled this whole situation. "Ooops, we hit the runway hard, the gear won't come up and there's something wrong with the yoke. And what are all those pretty lights and sounds? Never mind, we'll just ignore them for now. Procedures? Checklists? What are those? Are they edible? Oh well, no time to loose, gotta get that plane down on the runway, in as few pieces as possible. Second approach too high? Let's just pull the throttle back and let'er sink! Brace, brace, brace!" Poor training, poor CRM, incompetence and unnecessary loss of life...

[@myke5696]

Would it have been better if, on the first landing, the pilots had determined to go on with the landing regardless and cut engines or even put reverse thrusters as soon as the first hard touchdown? It's clear there would have been structural damage and passenger injuries, but maybe a less severe crash than what happened later

[@terryhughes7349]

There are some theories that a plane has a better chance *on the ground* overshooting the runway since there is no risk of additional landing impact. Just skidding. Hard to tell with this situation.

[@ald1050]

@myke5696 I agree but their training tells them to go around for a second landing.

[@donutfactory9147]

True, but they already ate more than half the runway, thus stopping with the remaining distance is a risk . Going around was the rite thing to do , but unfortunately they lost the hydraulics due to bouncing 3 times which should've not happened resulting to a crash .

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Either way, they were stuffed mate. They forgot to flare.

[@ald1050]

@@donutfactory9147 Yeah you are right. So sad.

[@Vajpearl123]

Sometimes you never want to go on planes on a rainy day and having thunderstorms is the most scariest and terrifying moments you can imagine

[@joshuvajohnvarghese2372]

The last scream of captain made my eyes flushed with tears.

[@davidy6746]

I am a resident at Shenzhen, which is the city mentioned in the video. I live quite close to the airport actually, I still remember seeing report about this crash when I was young.

[@brendaechols5929]

There was some severe turbulence on the airliner I was on to new York. The plane was shaking due to strong winds. Going through a storm kept making the plane drop cause the winds were so strong. Pretty scary. There was some ladies on the plane that started screaming. I think that scared the passengers more. The pilots did let us know ahead of time we would be going through some rough weather.

[@godzilla5599]

Not a pilot but that cockpit sounded a little chaotic to say the least.

[@erinthesystem9608]

This has to have been one of the most terrifying flights for the passengers I've ever heard about- on this channel or elsewhere. I hope that any flight attendants/stewards were more of a comfort to those frightened passengers than the pilots would have been; their tone- confused, desperate- wasn't at all reassuring.

[@watchhans]

Complete chaos in the flight deck, no clear communication, no crew resource management at all! I am happy to have survived a China Southern domestic flight from CAN to HKG in 2015......

[@D__Lee]

In 1974, I was on a flight between San Antonio and Wichita Falls, Texas. The weather in Wichita Falls was bad (rainy and windy). On the first aborted landing, the pilot did a touch and go. He announced that he was going to make one more attempt. The plane was bucking like a rodeo bull. I was scared. I was sitting next to a lady who pulled out a cigarette and started smoking. A flight attendant told her that there's NO SMOKING and she just said "F*CK YOU".

[@TheFailedmessiah]

Lol that's funny

[@drummist1000]

Lololol brilliant

[@mi_yaki]

😂lmao

[@jimg518]

Took off from Detroit right after 9/11. About 15 minutes in I saw lightning thru the window, big storm. Then water started dripping on my head. After a few minutes flight attendants appeared. I asked about the dripping water and could hardly talk. They said it was the a/c. Made sense but I was scared shitless for a few minutes there.

[@cee_el]

Damn how scared must everyone on board must have felt? For it to bounce 3 times and then fly again? I probably would have had a heart attack at that point

[@domb8448]

"...my career flying 747s in bad weather.." One hell of a job description.

[@chendaforest]

The pilots dialogue didn't exactly inspire confidence. They came across as rather slapdash and unprofessional.

[@JacobWaller]

Great video. i been binge watching a lot of your videos in the last few days

[@riverwildcat1]

Terrible pilot training. The captain had only 3,600 flying hours (except as a radio operator, which doesn't count); and the first officer had 4,300 flying hours (except as an engineer, which also doesn't count). Why wasn't the first officer captain? He had 700 more flying hours' experience. Even so, outside of China the minimum hours required for pilots is more than double what these guys had. Why weren't they looking at the altimeter to see how high they were? They're able to know exactly what the altitude of the runway is, so if they'd checked the altimeter they wouldn't have misjudged their height! Did you notice that neither the tower or the pilots mentioned compass headings! They were saying "Turn!" and "Go left!". There was nowhere near enough flight awareness or training. A very instructive and important video. Rule number one: Never fly on airlines that aren't European, free Asian, or American. Over 90% of crashes are on third-world airlines.

[@WalkingStreets]

I felt everything in this video. Amazing work! 👍👍

[@sazzlepop321]

A small request, could you pop the date of the incidents in the description?

[@TiptronicSS]

The final scream I felt a chill in my bones. What an horror after the failed landing and what followed.

[@rajaray1335]

Pilots should hold nerve in tough situations,a thresome team shouldn't fail if training is up to the mark.

[@fathergabrielstokes4706]

Your channel is the greatest

[@AlexSong1707]

Even though I'm Chinese and can speak fluent Chinese and English, I still can barely hear what the pilots are saying sometimes. I'm in my flight training, and of course, we calculate our altitude in Feet. I really don't see the reason of using metres for altitude in China, even though the instruments still say feet. I don't live in China, I live in Europe (not saying which country) and if I fly to China in the future, having to change metres to feet in China and having to change kg to pounds in America is just making our job as pilots harder. I've never heard of this crash before, most likely the Chinese government is trying t hide it or something. The one thing I, and all pilots, are afraid of in the cockpit is the *WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP, WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP* warning. One of the scariest things to hear as a pilot.

[@akira808state4]

That alert sound is the GPWS, designed to alert pilots if they’re flying too low. In this situation, there was heavy rain with thunderstorms which reduced the visibility to the point where it was difficult to see the runway clearly. Unfortunately, they showed poor crew management. On the first landing attempt, they landed hard and aircraft bounced three times, which damaged critical systems. That’s the reason why the landing gear didn’t retract and why the elevators didn’t operate when they attempted a second landing. The aircraft ultimately crashed, split into three pieces and caught fire.

[@hksp]

dun worry, cant really hear shty from that kinda audio quality

[@davidcheung8595]

I happened to work at China Southern Airlines at that time. The Chinese government did not try to hide this accident. The news was on major newspapers the next day. Really wondering how you did not know this.

[@cotton-Dave]

@@davidcheung8595 Maybe his head was too far into the books trying to convert "metres" into foots.

[@qingyanghou1494]

内网上音频多得是 97年的环境比现在好

[@sureshnishtala2887]

atleast few survived the crash....rip to those 35 lives...amazing video TFC

[@asadqazi3417]

Wonder if the captain and his flight crew survived.

[@mxb_se]

The co-pilot died.

[@timspooner59]

I did my flight training here in nz in mid 90's and at same time there were 12 Chinese students from a Chinese airline. They were hopeless. 20 mile downwind on circuits and terrible situational awareness. Hope they got a lot better.

[@missmansfield6306]

How ignorant are you talking about them like that? If you were talking about blacks people would RIOT.

[@peterfuchs4596]

@@missmansfield6306 not an INEXPERIENCED pilots fault. Jc these men had only 2-3thousand actual flight hrs. Not 10k+ . A flight engineer and communications doesn't count. No USA carrier would put a 3000 hr captain on a big bird. Chinese wl do anything for a $. Human life means nothing

[@alvaroprieto2092]

​@missmansfield6306 chinese is a nationality not a "race" if you said this about Algerians it would be okay

[@uniqueurl]

It will be nice , you could attach the real photographs at the end of the video. That would help with the reality after we see the graphical recreation.

[@fluxerflixer1]

These pilots were anything but calm and sounded very tightly wound. There’s no doubt the pilots have a decent amount of responsibility for this accident. They didn’t seem well trained.

[@kenyawalker9482]

Being a pilot is the most dangerous job on earth. Rest peacefully to all.

[@cassandra2956]

1st flight I ever took (Sabena from Amsterdam to Rome) bounced like hell upon landing. As I had never flown before, I thought that was 'part of the deal'. Afterwards many people told me that it was not 'standard procedure' at all and that it sounded like a pilot error (weather was calm with clear skies in Rome that day). Till this day I am so happy it happened during my first flight, as I didn't feel any danger because of the 'unknown', if it happens again, I might literally shit my pants.

[@joyoneill9524]

SABENA was known as "such a bloody experience never again".

[@TR-vr5pz]

Although sad-your videos are excellent--thank you!

[@clarsach29]

The passengers deserved so much better than this...the pilots just seemed to go to pieces during the first landing and all notion of CRM went out the window....horrendous that so many died

[@davesmith5656]

One of the guys in the cockpit reminded me of the proverbial mother-in-law back-seat driving her son-in-law nuts with her shouting.

[@angelawilliams4239]

@@davesmith5656 ,totally agree. Perfect analogy.👏🏻👍👏🏻

[@speedbird7991]

I'follow your Channel since 2018. It is si great, si interesting, i'learnt a lot of things about airplane and Airline. I'can say today it was one if the best things i'do in my life was to follow your Channel ! Thanks you so much ! From Paris in France 🇨🇵 !

[@johannesbols57]

They didn't know their height above the runway because the clouds prevented it? Did they ever hear of an altimeter?

[@ericgu9036]

Hard to look at two things at once when landing.

[@jeffery7281]

In such a weather, the barometric altimeter can be very inaccurate (for dozens or even hundreds feet), and it's hard to distract yourself to looking at the radio altimeter while trying to controlling the aircraft in heavy rain.

[@OfficialDeathCenter]

@@ericgu9036 Yeah, I guess flying a VOR Approach RAW Data is impossible by your standards, I mean, Hard to look at 4 different things while landing, even though you do that on basic instrument training as a 100 hour student pilot......

[@OfficialDeathCenter]

@@jeffery7281 False. Point one, the only really error a baro altimeter has is related to the outside air temperature. Being stormy or not is pretty pointless to the altimeter. Point 2, they don't need to look at the altimeter, they are either IMC and shooting an instrument approach and thus are following that specific approach guidance or they are visual and are hand flying it visually. If you are visual and lose visual contact with the runway, you go around. If you are having problems "controlling the aircraft", you go around. If you hear a fucking GPWS warning while your nose is pointed to the ground, you go around. This was gross pilot error, poor judgment, poor airmanship, poor CRM and poor flying skills and pretty much everyone licensed agrees on it.

[@jeffery7281]

Yeah. Based on the experience, the CAAC has summarized a series of proverbs to warn pilots, called "8 should and 1 shouldn't", and the first line of these proverbs is "Go around when you should go". The crew, in this case, weren't go around when they should go - they should go around at first when they deviate from the glideslope, or loss the visual of the ground, or, at least, when the plane hit the runway, and start bouncing. They hesitated, however, untill the plane bounced for serval times, passing half of the runway and severly damaged the critical systems - then they decided to go around, when they might shouldn't go.

[@robertl426]

Excellent work as always. Ones like this always gives me goosebumps. RIP to those that lost their lives.

[@eriksbahnwelt143]

Oh my god, the Chaos in the cockpit after the hard landing to the crash on the second try... 😢💔 this is so very sad 😢

[@MartianTom]

Another excellent vid. Great work.

[@tshaffer9681]

THIS CAPTAIN SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIS CO- PILOT.

[@CammyjOfficial]

True. The co pilot seemed to have the best situational awareness out of all of them.

[@Bluevelvet-MD]

As a pilot i was surprised at the non standard near makeshift call outs and weather conditions that had nothing so horribly wrong with it. we often land in these circumstances. It seems the crew went into landing without proper approach or landing brief. putting it straight, like someone had placed a Boeing plane straight into the hands of Cessna 172 pilots trained on Microsoft flight simulator.

[@chuckkirkpatrick6712]

That was a very confused sounding cockpit...

[@missmansfield6306]

People's rude comments about the pilots ethnicity is an outrage.

[@betsyj59]

In hindsight, it seems like they should have taken their chances on the first landing.

[@brians9508]

i dont think they could have gotten it down before the end of the runway - the bouncing would likely not have stopped at 3. if the Captain had felt like the bouncing was close to stopping, he would not have ordered the go-around.

[@shuvly]

YES I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE

[@hamannshaikh7398]

Poor whether Bad visibility makes Pilot's work more complicated and hard.... For Takeoffs and Landings.... R.I.P for those who lost Lives 😢

[@tracycolvin7789]

Weather

[@RayonChan]

Huangtian Airport changed its name to Baoan after this disaster. Huangtian sounds more like hell in mandarin. China Southern Airlines still use flight number 3456 to fly Chonqing-Shenzhen but with an Airbus.

[@loc4725]

Can't properly judge height above runway, so do an instrument landing? Or am I missing something here?

[@WayneM1961]

A good point actually. I heard one of the pilots say "glide scope captured" so obviously they were making an ILS approach, so exactly how it went so wrong i'm not sure

[@larrybe2900]

@@WayneM1961 Wind shear?

[@dx1450]

Man that thing bounced down the runway like a superball. This whole video reminds me of some of my landings in MS Flight Simulator.

[@justinwarrick8237]

This is so sad and tragic. Rest in piece to all the people on board that flight...

[@RNemy509]

As usual, a compelling and well executed video

[@WysteriaGuitar]

Please educate me, could they not have used the autopilot to land the plane the first time in bad weather?

[@Ojasboi_]

They could

[@jontownsend8090]

I landed in a thunderstorm back in 2017 at JFK, cloud wasn't an issue as I had a 4000 feet ceiling, water on the runway was the danger. Made a harder than usual landing to break the film of water once the main landing gear touched down, reducing the risk of aquaplaning.

[@techillusion9881]

How do u personally feel watching these videos?

[@nilsmorali7698]

it's crazy how most of the crashes we see in those videos are due to a lack of direct visibility for the pilots , you would think all the modern technology would make night / bad weather flights as safe as day / sunny flights !

[@Loudes012]

Often wondered how these pilots can fly in the darkness of night and even in bad weather. So insane yet it's a booming type business. At least police choppers had some sense not to fly the day Kobe B. died. Foolish decision to fly to a game in that bad weather.

[@tameikabrown]

Man O Man I Ain’t Never Ever Seen A Airplane Bounce 3 Time’s Like This B4 In My Life Especially When Watching Different Airplane Video’s

[@theokor5582]

Actualy the cockpit enviroment of this flight is a mess, too noisy all flight, impossible to concentrate.

[@sm7657]

In general any time you are with a group of people like that - life turns into a mess --

[@_AdityaDas_]

I had never seen any captain so freaked out and panicked... In every voice recordings... It's the captain who calms the first officer nd all but here the captain himself was so confused and panicked..

[@mrshark7292]

R.I.P to all of them who died😓😓😰😰😭😭

[@Caracaraorangeberry]

i landed at PDX (Portland OR) in a wild rainstorm. I didn’t think we were going to make it. RIP to the 35 souls.

[@YouGotPropofol]

I guess it’s just a split second decision but after slamming the plane into the runway, how would a pilot know of the plane was even airworthy for a go around? If you’ve already slammed it then just cut the engines or the reverse shields to keep it on the ground. The hard part is already done.

[@putinski666]

This is China. They've probably got about as much flight training as a drug smuggler from Colombia

[@rainerrain9689]

They landed {bounced} too far into runway and would've skidded off { ran out of runway} ,which means almost certain deaths to follow . A go around is almost always the correct decision in this scenario ,unfortunately, they didn't know the extent of damage to plane from the first attempt.

[@haider7866]

@@rainerrain9689 the pilot should of jumped out onto the grass before the plane slid off the runway, few broken bones better than dying

[@helenmcloughlin9065]

May god rest the souls if those passengers who died.i send my condolences to their families and friends.xx.

[@gazorpazorp9798]

Omfg how unprofessional in the cockpit

[@shy8170]

No

[@gazorpazorp9798]

🤡@@shy8170

[@soupwifey]

🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏽 For all the poor souls lost on that flight. Prayers for the survivors that survived and survived and hopefully or not severely fairly injured or crippled.

[@Fly_Cruising-Altitude]

R.I.P B737-300.... I think both pilots don't know how to fly in bad weather...