The Flaws of No More Heroes 2

[@Kylecool64]

The whole subplot about the organization being fake still holds true. The only reason it came to actually exist was because it was funded by Pizza Bat jr. This is shown when you defeat him at the end of the game and Silvia is forced to work in a peep show. Finally at the end Travis takes her away from that place. So yes the organization at first was made up so Silvia could help Travis get his revenge. But in two it was actually made real and funded as opposed to being a con.

[@teneesh3376]

Still doesn't explain why Travis doesn't question it. He never once asked why the UAA existed. Also NHM2 said that he did have sex with Silvia in the first game. Which is just not true

[@incognitony1282]

To be fair, why does Travis need to question it? Sylvia immediately tells him that assassin fights have become trendier and pretty much a spectator sport, I feel like that's enough for Travis to clue in that it's no longer a con. As for the "tasting those goods" line, I'm assuming Travis was just referring to his kiss with Sylvia after he killed Harvey which I guess you can sorta call it "tasting those goods". His wording definitely makes it sound like he got more than that but that was sorta also the case with him saying to Henry "she's a bad wife...but a good woman" so nothing new for Travis really.

[@windwaker0rules]

"some people fuck at funerals, i cut off heads" when i first heard that i thought he said something like "i collect hats"

[@zamzamnomi50]

"What is it mister *Voice Shift* cosplay?" That one part never gets old.

[@turdsoda4915]

Travis went from being a loser to a cool guy to show progression in his character. It was also somewhat a joke because in the first game he wanted to be cool, but in the second one he just wants to be left alone most of the time because, you know, revenge.

[@aceotaku]

plus its understandable cause he, yknow, killed the 10 best assassins in the world.

[@SK91NO]

@@aceotaku Then again, It was only America, not the world and it was all a con anyway, Sylvia arranged every fight herself

[@lemonov3031]

@@aceotaku Well, he spared Shinobu and she became even stronger.

[@KingKalashnikov]

yeah the irony is gold there

[@BillyFlower-d7r]

I have no problem with Travis becoming a cool.guy but I wish the enemies would insult you more

[@TheGamingBritShow]

Both have great soundtracks, but yeah, 2's soundtrack is absolutely amazing.

[@Luigitakesover]

How likely is it that it was originally planned for the "50 assassins" thing to comically dupe the player, and once the marketing department got a hold of it, it made the back of the box?

[@DoeJiinShii]

The main problem I have with NMH2 is definitely the bosses, there's no feeling of reward when beating them. I get that in NMH1 some bosses were ridiculous and often fairly hard to beat but I don't believe it was a good idea to completely dumb them down and just make it a session of easily mashing the X/Y buttons or the A button (for Wiimote users). Every boss had a sort of challenge to it in NMH1 some dealing with patience, others with strategy, and even some pattern. Making things calm at the end of the storm, but, either way. The NMH series will always have my heart.

[@nab345t]

Foreal man out of the many downgrades with 2 this was the worst, it was still fun but not close to the first in quality

[@DoeJiinShii]

@@nab345t hopefully NMH3 has a mix of easy bosses and bosses that make me wanna cry for turning on my console lmao

[@nab345t]

@@DoeJiinShii im just hoping they have a actual easy medium hard difficulties off the rip

[@xviolaa]

Jasper was intended to be a shitty boss because after killing Alice, the game already feels complete. It's kind of symbolic that it's not always worth it

[@BrickBreakerXX]

Shin0bu You know what is also not always worth it? Putting unenjoyable and frustrating gameplay into your game just for symbolism, their could have been many ways to convey this type of meaning aside from making a terrible final boss battle which leaves a bad taste in a players mouth right at the end.

[@xviolaa]

Alastair Hadlow Yeah I know what you mean. They pulled it off really badly but it's still a good concept

[@BrickBreakerXX]

Oh no doubt the concept has potential and could have been powerful but No More Heroes 2 just needed better execution to really impact the player in the right way

[@xviolaa]

Alastair Hadlow Yeah I fully agree

[@BrickBreakerXX]

Why did you say this, and why did you like your own comment

[@polaksilent]

I think Travis' changes are a rare example of characterization in the video game industry.

[@Jotari]

To be fair, the first game immediately forgot about the whole thing being a con too.

[@EBroxas72]

its a weird one for me. I like no more heroes 2 story better because I feel Travis grows from the loser to a hero that is trying to stop the UAA by the end, but every thing else I liked more in the first game. the combat, the writing of lines, the art, the over world the boss battle, the difficulty, THE CLOTHS!!!!! a lot of 2 just feel like a step back to me. but manly I look forward to that new game.

[@reallyhimongod]

I said the same damn thing NMH2 is literally 5 steps back in the WRONG direction it was such a horrible sequel to such an awesome game it truly doesnt make sense whatever those dumbass devs were thinkin smh

[@godofsin4604]

Hold up, the clothes were pretty cool in NMH2 and the amount of shirts is insane

[@reallyhimongod]

@@godofsin4604 lol right that was about it dude and the clothes in 1 are better then 2. 2 finally allowed us to switch up the shoes and glove

[@godofsin4604]

@@reallyhimongod not really the different style of jackets had way better detail than different textures of the same jacket with a different back detail, the purple jacket in 2 especially is one that has so much freaking detail

[@reallyhimongod]

@@godofsin4604 that’s just because of the game engine dude and I thought the engine looked like watered down dog shit so nah one is still better in every way. Clothes, story, mechanics etc

[@MarioGMan25]

Actually Charlie MacDonald and his Cheerleaders counted as like 26th through 49th. So Suda actually DID find a way to make you fight a bunch in one fight. And that way was a giant robot.

[@hadoukenfighter]

while he did thats still not a total of 50 actual fights.

[@WiltStows]

You are summing up all of my feelings so well this is amazing!

[@inzane0ne]

This is my favorite game of all time. I've beaten it 18 times (would be up to 30 or 40 if I still had the time) and I doubt I could ever get sick of it. I 100% agree with everything you said and could probably come up with more problems it has. It's a very flawed game and in no way should be my all time favorite...but it is...

[@kingdingring9719]

As someone wha hasn't played 2 yet. What makes it so much fun in your opinion?

[@notsa_s]

​combat is faster and you can dodge forward, gameplay wise also, the story and music were basically dipped in gold (as you've probably heard before from others) ​@@kingdingring9719

[@florsch6781]

Nice one, agree with most complains u had. NMH1 is a better game overall. But NMH2 had a boss-rush mode, which was kinda nice.

[@MarkIsNoHero]

Phenomenal game but that lack of control over the camera almost ruined the entire experience for me. Camera movement is so important. If GHM would have kept the camera controls from the first and implemented it to the second I would have game the game a 10 out of 10 easy.

[@moskito6874]

sometimes i struggle on which game i enjoyed more than the other, i love how different the tones and humor of both games are while still feeling like nmh to me. both games are refreshing and origional to me, in a sea of games coming out now that are just "we need to be last of us." can't wait to get nmh3

[@turtleguymcturtle4303]

Just to say something here Suda51 didn't direct this game

[@gialy1]

In fact, NMH2 had to be an improved version of the first or with more bossfight, refined combat system and above a Santa Destroy fully explorable like in the first one but better (not a GTA open world style but with a modest size). but something has changed even if they say that Suda51 worked on the characters and the script the game was produces by Toshiro Fujikawa who is the assistant director of NMH1

[@hermitfox3053]

Suda was sadly being busy getting chewed and spat out by EA for Shadows of the Damned

[@turtleguymcturtle4303]

@@hermitfox3053 Yup I'm pretty sure every Suda fan knows this by now

[@capitanpastabase6342]

and it shows

[@evangelion243]

I pretty much felt the same I loved the first game and enjoyed the second :/

[@ingeerdal1052]

Dwarrior oo

[@nab345t]

Indeed

[@SlyJMan]

The D-Pad being used to dodge really helped me deal with Million Gunman, so there IS a way to deal with it. That being said, the boss fight is still kind of a pain as it takes a while.

[@dezouza8996]

I like the fake out with the 51 ranks. It shows the effect Travis' first journey had on the world, getting all sorts of people competing in assassination professionally. Just having 15 ranks would have been too similar

[@Hollow022]

I think my biggest issue with NMH2 (aside from Shinobu’s stages being kinda crap) is Charlie MacDonald. My issue isn’t that it’s a giant robot fight, that’s fine to me, my issue is how early you fight him. You fight him at rank 50- technically your third fight, which feels way too early to be pulling your “giant mech fight” card.

[@KingFossilFER]

The sidestepp used to be a huge deal for bosses in the first game, but in 2 its worthless since you can still get hit anyway while in slowmo.

[@lowhp_comic]

His NMH1 model looked so dopey and dork like that it's fitting, NMH2 made him look too cool, slim and anime-esque that it doesn't give of dork vibes anymore lol

[@nugsboodlepoo]

Also those cheerleaders who turned into a gundam robot(typing that made me chuckle) counted as, like, 24 assassins since Travis's rank went from 50 to 25 after

[@MasterPringles]

Personally I find NMH2 easier to just pick up and play, despite it's flaws. Though the first does seem better to me. Both are still fun to play, even to this day they're some of the few games worth having a Wii for.

[@Raxoris]

Very legit complaints. I mean I love this game and I can really accept these problems in and of themselves. I miss those phone conversations especially... So, if you should ever spot this, do you have a particular favourite assassin from this game? Aside from Henry of course.

[@GattoriSancho]

Travis has always been fucking awesome

[@RoyStantz]

I've played this game, and even though there are a couple of flaws, I still enjoyed it. It's OK to love a game despite its flaws. There are plenty of games I love that have major problems to them (such as Final Fight Streetwise, yes I am guilty as charged for loving it). Hell, a lot of games people love have problems to them. For example, Starcraft was loaded with dozens of glitches that caused the game to freeze (try having an SCV repair a unit that’s going into a dropship). Also, Soul Calibur 4 doesn't count sword slashes that go through heads as a hit. Part of being a gamer is realising that you can enjoy games based on their merits alone, and that just because a game didn’t live up to the hype doesn’t mean that it’s not fun.

[@xdress1746]

*Stunlocked by Million Gunman* You could always, y'know, try rolling instead of blocking? Is it some big secret that dodging has always been better than blocking in these games? Quick edit as I'm actually currently playing through The Hero's Face, a level notorious for having several heavies and fatties. You mention these enemies being flawed for soaking up hits when this just isn't true. You either don't upgrade your muscle stat, don't use the dash attack, or both. I currently have level 5 muscle, dash attack takes away a quarter of their health, and regular combos finish them rather quickly. As for the copious waves of enemies, it honestly never bothered me, considering how short most of the levels are, and some bosses not even having a level (If you're going to criticize anything, this is a good one), I'd much rather hack and slash a bunch of enemies than run from room to room.

[@ItohKuni]

Nice review, and I really like how you're critical about things you like. Keep up the awesome work man :)

[@UGOTNUKED]

The biggest flaw of this game is the god awful strength mini game at the gym. Fuck those gimmicky mini games in general.

[@SilverFanatic1]

I always did prefer the first game, but I was never really able to tell why. This video basically fixed that.

[@WaddleDee105]

Oh man, it's great to finally see another video from you.

[@oldzem]

Waiting for you to cover NMH3!

[@kap1618]

NMH with1. The game was originally a biting piece of satire critiquing video game tropes of the 2000s in a way no other game could. Now, sadly, Travis has become the very thing he was satirizing.

[@animeloverhaven]

No more heroes is a flawed game but i still love it and your NMH vids are really good.

[@scotty3590]

Did you forget Charlie Macdonald and his cheerleaders when you said you don't fight 50 assassins?

[@usmanzubair742]

The final boss is a fucking travesty

[@retroshades]

How do you feel about the third game

[@bigpoppapump2594]

Flaw #1) Too good for this world, too pure.

[@Gameboynitro]

I just finish the game today and MAN the final boss was lame as hell all it took was series of super charge hits since you're basically invincible with those moves.

[@000ShadowHedgehog000]

the ending on NMH2 just ruined it for me. Cartooney immature boss compared to a baddass fist fight sister plus henry duel

[@kaylor4778]

When it comes to no more heroes I don't get why it ended up being a con in the end the whole part didn't make sense to me. Does that mean that all the assassins were normal people paid to kill Travis?? Or did Sylvia just trick him by saying she was in the UAA and taking his money but still setting him up with legit assassins? I'm confused if anyone knows the answer please help me out

[@Treyworld]

I'd like an answer to that too.

[@Shrekinspace]

ik this is an old comment, but the bosses in the game are assassins and seem to be ranked. multiple bosses respond when travis refers to them as their rank and they all clearly have some sort of past or current occupation as an assassin. sylvia, though, seems to just be taking the money travis thinks he needs for the ranking match.

[@LUCKO2022]

Everything you mention here is why I hated No More Heroes 2. I loved the first one to death and I even bought the PS3 version for full price just like I picked up the original Wii No More Heroes for full price. You forgot to mention the whole Charlie MacDonald and his cheerleaders count as a whole shitload of ranks. So basically to me they took everything I loved about the first game which made it unique and fresh like the whole Wiimote phone, the driving around (which should have been improved for the sequel), the quirky odd jobs (the 8 bit ones are fine but not every mini game needed to be 8 bit) and stuff like that.

[@brennanwn]

This is such a classic

[@Davaal]

I heard EA somehow had something to do with it? They stated that if you can’t sum the story up in one sentence, it’s a no. They also had to design the characters first, then make the story, which is the opposite to the first installment.

[@mr.linkinho9075]

Can we apreciate that this video aged pretty well? I'm surprised that this is a 2013 video

[@ThreeDivisionshaha]

I feel what you are saying. Still I feel they wanted to change some aspects for the sequel. For the boss characters they probably wanted to get a sense of their character off in another way compared to the original. To me the best example would be Moonlight where her song during the fight gets her character out in the open. For the gameplay point of view, the only thing I miss is the darkstep, it was way better in the first game and in 2 it felt like a 50/50 deal. Also with Travis changing in terms of personality I feel that is a good change because to me Travis became the type of legend he wanted to fight and fighting Nathan Copland really shown that off. I am also one of those guys that prefered the mini games in the first game, they had a odd sense of charm and I feel the 8-bit games did not have that same feeling. I will also say I feel No More Heroes 2 is a bit more of a challenge compared to the first game, some fair and some not fair. I do love how you can do Bitter now with no upgrades at all while in No More Heroes 1 you can only do that in a new game + with upgrades forced on you. For the third title, I would like to see a mixture of the ideas in 1 and 2. I want varaiations with beam katanas compared to upgrades, but I would personally love to see the flow and darkstep functionality of the first game. I cannot wait to see how silly Suda is going to get with the mini games and charging functions with the HD Rumble too.

[@justvisiting4abit]

The Return of the GamingBrit!

[@ljoufhk]

For the "50 assassins" thing, it actually was confirmed that the horde of cheerleaders that crowd the Rank 25 Charlie MacDonald (that he ends up throwing at you, let's hear it for mech anime ripoffs) were actually ranked 26-49. So yeah, Suda DID cram a ton into one fight.

[@GigaBoost]

Before watching the video: Glad to see another TGBS video, it's been a while hasn't it? More frequent updates please! *crack whip* Work for our entertainment!!

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

Unpopular opinion: NMH2 is the only NMH game I like. Like man 3 was soooooo bad

[@MrAnimefan20]

You summed things up perfectly. Good job.

[@MrAnimefan20]

If someone makes a design choice that negatively impacts the game in order to make a point, they've still made a design choice that negatively impacts the games. They can't hide behind the excuse that it was to make a point: if it makes the game worse, it's not a good choice.

[@SilentTree12]

Oh hell yes, you're back!

[@RipsharkTV]

Agreed. Though I enjoyed the fuck out of the gameplay, character designs, and quirkiness in general...it lacked that dark atmospheric undertone of the first game that made assassin work seem as menacing as it actually is. I was laughing at the stuff in 2 though, so that isn't too much a drawback lol. In short, prefer 1's tone n story but 2 for everything else.

[@evilagram]

You forgot to mention how you kill like 25 of them or something in that football giant robot battle (the cheerleaders were apparently also assassins.)

[@boywithanearring]

8 years later and this is still true

[@peanut3423]

Yeah, you nailed it. Still found the Jasper boss a lot more annoying than Million Gunman, especially since I found Gunman significantly more predictable, but to be fair he's right down there as well for me. This game's story and gameplay disappointed me often, but it had enough stupid fun in between those letdowns to keep me coming back for one more go. While Suda was probably trying to say *some* kind of message here, it's best to look at it as a flawed, ridiculous, yet entertaining romp.

[@lezzdenden]

Y'all should be ready for NMHIII to probably still have that writing for Travis tbh. I love it tho

[@clydetheteenageboy2441]

6:58 ITS STILL LIKE THIS IN 2 HAVING SKILL ISNT GOING TO WORK OR COMMON SENSE

[@Palademon]

I was annoyed by the change in D-pad camera too Although I think I know why it changed Before you had to lock onto an enemy to dodge, and this was done with the D-pad, and there are fights in this game that require dodging from a long distance (e.g. Margaret firing at you from a distance) So now you can just dodge whenever I imagine you get the camera control in the bathroom, because bathrooms don't allow anything but walking to a random dodge would ruin it

[@ceufrscio707]

Where's no more heroes 3 video?!

[@rodrigopacheco12]

damn, wth happened with this sequel?

[@JimmNeutricity]

Good points made dude.

[@TheGamingBritShow]

I know, my contention was never that he didn't do that. I was trying to point out that even with those girls counted as assassins we still didn't get to technically fight 50 people because about 15 other assassins get taken out off screen.

[@subculturebith1616]

i love NO MORE HEROES!

[@jknintendo]

Its kind of funny. I personally think that NMH2 has a smoother and more enjoyable combat feel. The first one has a really blocky and square combat style imho, one where you cant dodge roll without staying locked on, move around easily, or be able to use combos and beat attacks effectively together. The second one combines these two flaws I had and makes it to where you can dash attack. But that, unfortunately, made the combat less enjoyable for some reason. I guess because the combat was improved to be better the game just isn't as fun because the game isn't hard because of bullshit. But what do I know

[@Soniman001]

You say the combat is more enjoyable and then say it's not?

[@zeldamaster52]

Wwasn't every cheerleader under Charlie an assassin?

[@thenegromancer4695]

The biggest flaw of this game is how tf can santa death parade keep his mech and we cant keep ours

[@pusheadmetal]

I didn't like the 8-bit style minigames in the 2nd one. They went waaay overboard with those things, whereas in the first one, the single, 8-bit minigame came as a refreshing surprise. I also didn't find them to be much fun. One could argue that killing the CEO of "Pizza Butt" in the first game over and over again isn't much fun, either, but at least it was quick and rather painless.

[@Solipsismreal]

suda didnt direct 2 though

[@vysethethird]

I do agree with some things here, but I still prefer the first over the second.

[@Savings_and_Grift_Plan]

The next Suda 51 game is hinted to be a sort of spin-off of No More Heroes with Shinobu

[@nab345t]

Agree with everything you said besides i did like the removal of the open world, it would have made the game feel too repetitive with the first one, but you may be right about them improving it, but then again they barely improved the game at all Also feel like the bosses were waaaay easier overall besides the final one

[@Jackattack359]

We don’t talk about that final one🤫

[@goetworks]

I think the parking lot and the following sequences deserve a lot more love than they get. In the end, NMH2 is a game about Travis getting bored of his fetish of killing, and wants to quit. On that level, the player basically gets slapped in the face, as it didn't do anything wrong, it just showed the player what they have been doing in the last 15 hours or so.

[@zetetick395]

Eh? Why is Travis having a *VALIS* moment?? (5:10)

[@kite10397]

If I may put this out there, I've heard that the whole big thing about the Jasper fight kind of being a way of saying that revenge is never really worth it. Mostly because he feels like something nobody ever really wanted in the first place, y'know?

[@zyonhunter]

you promised us more videos hyper.

[@suheilgonzalez648]

That mecha battle was the shit!!!

[@RobATron64]

I'm curious since I've never played Heroes Paradise, not counting graphics, is it better or worse than the Wii Version?

[@testoftetris]

depends entirely on why you play games. We may come to a point one day where games are universally accepted as an art form, and on that day, the number of people who play games to experience "the point" more than the gameplay will significantly increase.

[@xJC4Rx]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this game could be better. My issue though is the flaws kind of put me out of finishing the game.

[@aBDKstan]

I don't know. It's pretty out there. And even if that was his intention, there are MUCH better ways to convey a message to the player through gameplay. For example, in Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, there's a part where you're running towards a lighthouse in the distance for quite a few minutes while you keep running past every enemy. It shows how the protagonist doesn't care about anything else but getting to his destination, the same way the player feels.

[@IsaacBCh]

Got so trigerred with the title of the video xD No one says nothing about NMH. But jajaja don't worry. Actually agree with the points! Good video

[@Brokennindeathloop620]

the first was really awesome...... the second ruined everything, that includes the gameplay camera and boss fights.

[@GenericSoda]

I was always more of a fan of the first title's OST. All of the level themes being a different take on the main theme felt stylish and distinct. 2's soundtrack is great too, but I'd trade my copy of 2's OST for the original's any day.

[@MrAnimefan20]

Absolutely. For example, I think Spec Ops: The Line was fantastic despite not being very fun. But that game wasn't trying to be fun, and it's sacrifice of fun was made to support a core point the game was trying to make that most of the other design decisions were based around. I sense No More Heroes is trying to be fun and makes decisions to the detriment of that in order to make points that are not essential or part of the core point that the game is making.

[@TheGamingBritShow]

I hear they're casting Troy Baker to play him in an upcoming prequel.

[@KTH96]

Good video, but I kinda feel like your opinions on the combat are mostly just nitpicking.

[@Percival917]

Poor shinobu... The gameplay does her no favors whatsoever....

[@nroland99]

theyre making a prequel to nor more heros? I thought they would have made 3 for the Wiiu

[@nomorewordz619]

I had alot of fun with it, with two exceptions... Matt Helms and those chainsaws frankenstiens

[@littleoreo7717]

I'm actually planning to buy No More Heroes 2 on a Wii just for collectible reasons now since I gotten into the NHM series. I wouldn't like NMH2 at first bc of a concept that could've been good but ends up in a poor execution to a sequel, but then again, Suda51 might actually made this part of the game intentional, which make US looked like fools. I still love the first No More Heroes than the second one but I'm still giving this a chance. No More Heroes is not the perfect series after all. I still can't wait for Suda51's next idea in the future especially that involves with No More Heroes 3, soon to be confirmed. After getting NHM2, Travis Strikes Again will be next on my list.

[@jasonjones7461]

I love this game series, the first one was such a kick ass surprise for the Wii. The second one is better in the combat gameplay aspect, so I def disagree on that. I honestly miss the intentionally crappy empty city. I understand why they took that out but would've been cool if they instead just had it to where you drive around the map or something at least. It's not like there's a lack of games to play if you want to run around open worlds so it's not that big a deal. There's plenty to do in NMH2 and streamlining the less exciting bits was a good idea overall. It's really a game about atmosphere, humor and combat and all those things are done almost perfectly imo. These will always be 2 of the best Wii games and great examples to throw in the face of Shia lebouf anytime he emerges from his hidey hole. (for those that don't know wtf I'm on about...he once said that the Wii isn't a real game console it's a child's toy. I already severely disliked him before that but I will NEVER let that throw away comment fade away even tho his career already has)

[@TheGamingBritShow]

2 is, 1 though is on PS3 and 360 too.

[@rookyamerica1752]

I like both as equals many people say you either Like the 1st one more or the 2nd one more but for me i like them equally

[@Prince_Seven]

Even tho I agree with you on most points, the open world in NMH1 was absolutly trash in my eyes. I am glad they removed it but they should have kept the money requirement before taking on an assasin, would have made them more impactful.

[@88Deux]

say what you will but i still love the game and the Charlie McDonald fight was awesome